#40k-lore-chat

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neat fiber
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this vid

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it rips back whatever the teeth hit towards the hilt

atomic pelican
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Yee, I remember from mythbusters talking about why chainsaws sucked as weapons

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During one of their zombie specials I think

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Essentially, flesh is very sinewy and would jam up a chainsaw very fast

neat fiber
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God I just got flashbacks to the doom special for some reason

atomic pelican
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Basically you could probably cut down one person but no one beyond that

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Lov mythbusters

cloud kindle
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if zombies happen im going medievil

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full suit of armor and a spear

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or maybe just body them with a shield

cursive hull
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All depends on the type of Zombie.

atomic pelican
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If they had flesh at all really

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So, anything beyond a ghost

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or revenant

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or any other noncorporeal undead foe one could potentially encounter

peak hamlet
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I mean yeah 16th century plate would be perfect, depending on the type of zombie ofc. They could only really kill you by piling up on you.

atomic pelican
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why not just shoot them or are we talking about like cool factor

odd sparrow
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prolly wanna use the armour with a gun

cloud kindle
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im australian

peak hamlet
cloud kindle
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guns are pretty hard to get a hold of

peak hamlet
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Because they are gonna overpower you at some point anyway, even when you are wearing armor

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Also armor makes noises

cloud kindle
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thats while ill follow the obi wan school of fighting

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ill claim the high ground

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and poke with the spear

peak hamlet
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And would suck against other humans when they decide to shoot at you

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So yeah armor is just for cool factor

cloud kindle
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well hopefully wont have many fuckwits shooting me

atomic pelican
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Like alot of ammo

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I think most american towns stock more than enough ammo to kill their population over

cursive hull
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Well, yes, but its more complex than bullets.

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Run out of spare parts, cleaning supplies, etc.

atomic pelican
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We have quite alot of those too

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That and guns aren't like, video game level fragile

cursive hull
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Guns wear out over time. They need a lot of maintenance, and, again, depending on the Zombie, shooting them might just draw a horde you can't stop.

atomic pelican
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Well, I suppose it depends on the gun

peak hamlet
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Not everybody has access to guns tho, and i doubt that the ones who do would just give you a gun and ammo

atomic pelican
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I'm p sure the military could pretty easily quell any sort of actual zombies

cursive hull
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TBH, best solution is simply to stop the infection before it has a chance to spread.

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And yes.

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I'm 100% convinced each government does have a preparedness plan for even the wackiest shit. You never know.

peak hamlet
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Or just make some fancy fences around your house so they cant enter and live your life happily

atomic pelican
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It'd be alot more fun to clear town with some shooting buds

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I really don't believe in the "every man for himself" horseshit on tv, I'm pretty certain most would band together and just wipe zambies, even if the military somehow failed

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Even Americans work together in a crisis

cursive hull
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I'm pretty sure one Zombie movie or another basically does that.

Like, the Government mostly has it under control, but random people with guns go out and shoot the pretty much helpless small number of zombies for shits and giggles

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I forget the movie though.

peak hamlet
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Also yeah zombies in movies and games somehow manage to reach incredibly high numbers. If they die from a headshot and only spread it by biting humans i dont see a huge problem, every militarry on the world could just shoot them

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Especially if we consider that they got like tanks and armored vehicles

cursive hull
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Yeah... Tanks and jets sorta make the zombie thing fall apart.

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Drones too

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At one point you wouldn't even need to fire the weaponry onboard a tracked vehicle

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Just run them down.

dim totem
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Aand lawnmowers

peak hamlet
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Especially ifv's with air burst ammo Smug

peak hamlet
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Rogue trader marines were bullies

primal tide
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do not bully the gretchen

cloud kindle
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use the gretchen as ammunition

errant mauve
marsh grail
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Someone make a grot version of Pepe having his lunch tray knocked down.

marsh grail
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Otherwise a riot shield and body work hammer

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If you have the time put it on a longer handle. The longer it is the easier it is to penetrate.

marsh grail
marsh grail
peak hamlet
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Bruh just go full pike square ez win

marsh grail
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Although police riot gear may be even lighter if it does not have stab protection.

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Correction ballistic vests are cumbersome and ridged because they need to be stab proof.

primal tide
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Everyone talking about getting armor instead of just a boat and a week's worth of food while you wait for decomp

marsh grail
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Yeah honestly owning a livable boat would always be good. Because you can still travel and resupply if needed.

odd sparrow
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living on one of those canal boats would be cosy tbh

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ride it out onto a lake maybe, bring a million none perishables and enough stuff to burn that u can purify water

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the canal hippies will outlive us all

dim totem
primal tide
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thats probably for the best

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the only people on the internet after a zombie outbreak will be chud preppers in their underground shipping container safehouses
at least until they get radon poisoning or die from diseases that can pass through those water filter straws

cloud kindle
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thats when you dox them and go raid them

smoky mauve
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Finished Warhawk. That... went to unexpected places. But reading the authors rationale behind it. I get it, and understand it. Fun book, but honestly I still think Saturnine was a high point.

karmic gulch
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Considering the hive fleets are massive and there are apparently many smaller fleets around, has there been any case where two fleets of different hives have been spotted together?

barren tapir
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Yes, they tend to nom nom eachother, but they mostly stay away from eachother

karmic gulch
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I meant just seen together

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On another server(asked same question) I heard that they had 2 show up in one of the cain books

atomic pelican
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Charybidis and Scllya

dim totem
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I always thought theyd fight so ppl can have nids vs nids games

atomic pelican
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Yes sometimes they do!

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Its one of those it depends questions

dim totem
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depends if theyre nice or not

atomic pelican
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I love the kraken text FHDHD

final spruce
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That old flash copypasta

outer quarry
# cursive hull Just run them down.

pretty much, late response but most modern MBTs can go anywhere up to 70km/h on average, and for a 60 ton vehicle to go that fast, that's a lot of M A S S

odd sparrow
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just gotta have ppl in camp to hose down any surviving zombies clinging to the chasis with bullets

peak hamlet
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You need TONS of fuel for tanks tho

odd sparrow
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that is true, and the supply chains would be borked beyond repair for an extended period

errant mauve
atomic pelican
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The tickle mits

final spruce
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Chaos Dread comeback ?

odd sparrow
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anorexic dread hours

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that or the forearm is normal dread sized the claws are just ridiculously huge

errant mauve
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I'm thinking new daemon engine

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or possibly decimator in plastic with redesigned weapons (?)

final spruce
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It kinda fits the 2 previously posted chaos mini that looked robotic

errant mauve
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Though I'll be honest when I say I first thought it was gonna be Huron

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then I remembered Huron's claw + flamer is in his right hand

errant mauve
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If it's a new chaos knight I am both going to love it and also be disappointed it wasn't a new daemon engine lul

peak hamlet
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Never noticed the black thingy there, is that a hand?

vast frigate
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Yrah

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Its a glove with either the knuckle bones exposed or metal pins

rose thorn
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I pray it’s something emperors children related

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But it’s most likely not

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WAIT THERES GONNA HE RENEGADE GUARD SHIT???

storm jungle
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VERY likely

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the first page of this leak prediction included the Black Templars and literally every section of it was true lol

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the chaos parts were the 2nd leak page so we can only hope the accuracy holds up

primal tide
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Do chorfs like hammers?

cursive hull
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An intensely strange question

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The Dawi Zharr may be a bit different to their kin, but a Dawi is a Dawi, of course they like hammers.

primal tide
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Strange question about strange folk heh

errant mauve
smoky mauve
primal tide
ashen lake
cerulean wagon
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they put a medal in the trailer

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smh

atomic pelican
neat fiber
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there is a man sleeping

primal tide
karmic gulch
final spruce
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Isn't it a Chorf from the Iron Golem warband for Warcry ?

karmic gulch
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Melee only? Check
Big muscles? Check
Khornish? Check

final spruce
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My memory good

ashen lake
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does anyone know if there's enough content (just talking like story-driven shows here) on Warhammer+ to justify a month's subscription to watch it all?

final spruce
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That's up to you if you like painting tutorials and game reports and one of the minis

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Because the animations are definitely not worth it

storm jungle
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I'd say at best wait a year and then sub

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the content is lacking af at the moment

atomic pelican
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Animation quality be so bad

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Also most of the other stuff can ve found elsewhere

ashen lake
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alright fair enough, thanks

karmic gulch
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The animations are kinda hit and miss currently

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I enjoyed the blood angels thing, but others didn't

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So far half the episodes of hammer & bolter have been very meh....

ashen lake
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how many episodes do they even have so far (of H&B)

karmic gulch
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Episode 1 with the Inquisitor, Episode 4 or 5 I don't remember xd with the Vylka Fenrika was also just meh to me

storm jungle
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Yeah the problem is they're done in an anthology style so if you just want to watch like a single episode by itself it feels extremely hollow

ashen lake
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dilara showed a clip of some eldar and spess muhreens fighting and aside from the animation resembling metalocalypse to a disturbing degree I was mildly curious

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how long are the episodes?

storm jungle
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20 minutes

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mostly 15 too

ashen lake
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ah yeah that's pretty anemic

storm jungle
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they dont usually go past that limit

karmic gulch
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Episode 1 was that then, Episode 2 was subtle Tzeentch corruption of a world, Episode 3 was orks being orks

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Episode 4 was the vylka Fenrika initation test and it just felt so boring i wanted to drop it

tender igloo
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i watched the animations through "completely legitimate sources" and can say the the blood angels animation is pretty cool, while hammer & bolter is pretty hit or miss

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the best H & B episodes are the Tzeentch episode, the sisters of battle episode, the orks episode, and i actually liked the space wolves one more than i thought i would

frosty cobalt
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can someone tell me why people use cringe ass thumbnails like this lmao

tender igloo
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clicks

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also OMS is bad anyhow

peak hamlet
karmic gulch
# tender igloo clicks

if i had nitro i would use a clever emote here, but alas i do not so accept this :this:

peak hamlet
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Take a screenshot and post the image 🧠

tall fjord
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terrible thumbnail choice

primal tide
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Oh, you said that right after

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I should get in the habit of scrolling lol

tall fjord
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it was not kek

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IT WAS CRINGE FATHER

atomic pelican
frosty cobalt
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yea

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it sucks like

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why cant we just show all the factions in the same light

atomic pelican
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Heheee funny sexee tau woman :))) this doesnt reek of fetishism at all

frosty cobalt
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prolly cause they know that most of their fans are only interested in the booba in regards to tau or SoB

frosty cobalt
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"ohj we dont need femmarines, SoB are enough rep" does shit like this

atomic pelican
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Yep

frosty cobalt
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i know thered be big booba femmarines but like

atomic pelican
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Ahaha I love feminism fetishizes every female character who appears

frosty cobalt
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GOD YEA

atomic pelican
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especially the 'oriental' coded ones

frosty cobalt
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replace all loretubers with oculus, then we will be fine

atomic pelican
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Virgins should be barred from horny posting, they arent responsible enough

frosty cobalt
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LMAO

atomic pelican
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Its legit always virgins too

atomic pelican
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LMAO

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YEP

cerulean wagon
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horny posting and memes being taken as actual lore is some of the worst stuff from the hobby

atomic pelican
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Yep

frosty cobalt
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id be fine with it if it was more removed from the main perception of it

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but the fact that theres so much shit people take as "canon"

primal tide
atomic pelican
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The more I think about it, the more I'm glad that GW+writers are too puritan to include actual sex/serious relationships in canon. 40k fans are too fucking childish to handle it

cerulean wagon
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thats the thing

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theres a few but its like

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mentioned in passing

primal tide
atomic pelican
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Yee exactly

cerulean wagon
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ciaphas cain is great at it between him and amberley

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and ye chapin

frosty cobalt
bleak oxide
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Same.

primal tide
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Any site that has a joke page about rape is non bueno

bleak oxide
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Also greetings.

atomic pelican
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Bricky's california dudebroism personality shows itself everyday more as much as I still like him

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Helo

bleak oxide
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I'm proud to say I share states with Bricky

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Hes a gem of a man

atomic pelican
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Ffhnfn

frosty cobalt
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LAMO

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HAHAHA

primal tide
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Haha

bleak oxide
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Say what you will, him with adeptus rediculous gets people curious about the craft

frosty cobalt
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no offense my friend we were just talking about how memes and "canon" do not mix

atomic pelican
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Yee

frosty cobalt
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and he is a main perp of that

atomic pelican
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I still like Bricky, I just don't watch his 40k videos anymore

cerulean wagon
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its people taking it as gospal is my main issue

bleak oxide
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It really isnt n shouldnt

frosty cobalt
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but people do

cerulean wagon
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that doesnt stop people

frosty cobalt
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yea

cerulean wagon
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look at the TTS crowd

frosty cobalt
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mhmh

atomic pelican
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Bricky somehow both grossly skewering xeno lore and imperial stuff somehow

frosty cobalt
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it took me a bit to sort TTS from mainline stuff casue thats how i was introduced

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but i worked it out, After A While

primal tide
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Maximum effort

atomic pelican
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Yeah once you either hang around ppl who know what they're talking about(or read a book) it clears

frosty cobalt
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ye

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also imma slap bricky for that cptn sarrin pic

cerulean wagon
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i uh

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got a friend to read eisenhorn recently

cerulean wagon
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he's been loving the kinda, look behind the curtain feel

atomic pelican
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Niceo

cerulean wagon
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seein the cities n shit

atomic pelican
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I still haven't finished Outcast

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gav eldar depresses me greatly

cerulean wagon
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😩

atomic pelican
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I much prefer to pretend it doesnt exist

cerulean wagon
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stop reading it then

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lmao

atomic pelican
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ESPECIALLY with the recent animation + warcom

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I know

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I did FDHNF

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I will finish it eventually

cerulean wagon
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and we can pretend they never happened

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GSC avitar? nope

frosty cobalt
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its not like its some of the only lore for your faction or whatev

atomic pelican
primal tide
atomic pelican
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gw I beg you to let literally anyone else write eldar

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quite literally no one could do worse

cerulean wagon
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i know cry, i started on eldar

frosty cobalt
primal tide
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Smh my god damn head

cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
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Honestly I wonder if that'd be worse

frosty cobalt
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LOL

primal tide
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Bricky you had a good run but it's time to die ol pal

cerulean wagon
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it would be

atomic pelican
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FHNF

cerulean wagon
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he already did eldar

atomic pelican
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Fear

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I wish Andy Chambers was around, he'd do good eldar

cerulean wagon
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grav tank taken out by children throwing rocks in the engines

atomic pelican
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He wrote like, 4 books and all of them were eldar and good

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DFGDN

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A particularly strong child

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And that child? Malneus Calgar

cerulean wagon
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he may have also had extended torture scenes with a farseer? i don't remember if thats accurate tho

primal tide
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He's got quite the throwing hands

atomic pelican
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cringe

primal tide
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Needs to CS Go To horny jail

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Yes I am going to keep making this joke

errant mauve
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"The Grave Walkers are a successor of an unknown founding, with records of their origins long forgotten, whether through edicts of obliteration or simply the stagnation of time. First appearing within Administratum records in 573.M33, the dour and enigmatic fleet-based chapter were assigned to the very far reaches of Imperial Space in the segmentum Ultima, tasked to serve as patrol and guards for passing trade vessels and rogue trader flotillas.

Due to the distance from Holy Terra, the Grave Walkers naturally evolved to become logistical and mechanical masters, valuing self-sufficiency and efficient use of their limited resources, and often are seen scavenging battlefields for the arms and armour of their fallen allies and enemy alike. The Grave Walkers specialize in ordnance battery and close-quarters battle, key qualities needed to master the constant naval warfare they are subjected to. While a majority depict a clear preference for use of ranged weaponry, even in the close confines of ship halls, and no clear notice has been made of their martial prowess, multiple eyewitnesses from multiple Imperial organizations attest to the raw ferocity at which they engage the enemy, their bitter enmity towards the foes of the Imperium more than accounting for their lack of technique."

"The Eternal Warders are a proud successor of the Ultramarines chapter, founded out of the fires of the Nova Terra Interregnum in the 12th founding. Originally from the planet of Palaetius, the Warders were forced to become fleetbased after the obliteration of their homeworld by a simultaneous assault by WAAAAAGH Starkilla, a invasion fleet of the renegade astartes, and an incursion force by the Dark Eldar in 872.M37. Taking their duty with utmost sacredness, the Eternal Warders became a wandering chapter, protecting pilgrimage fleets to Holy Sites within the Segmentum Ultima.

Precision and speed are of top importance within the doctrine of the Eternal Warders, which the chapter understanding that their lack of celerity and expertise directly lost their defense of Palaetius. As such, the Eternal Warders seek to be masters of all doctrines, pushing themselves to each become individually great warriors. In this pursuit, the Eternal Warders have come to disdain indiscriminate and slow weapons like missile launchers or artillery, defaulting to usage of precise and quick arms. The Eternal Warders thus have become masters of set-piece warfare, predicting enemy movement and flanking them in perfect unison."

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@frosty cobalt

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I've just got 2 flavour text paragraphs right now

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But I'm planning on doing entire codex style stuff for these 2 like I'm doing for my Iron Warriors

frosty cobalt
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Pog

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Good stuff

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What legion are the gravewalkers from if i may knoe

errant mauve
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oh

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haha

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so

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this is funny

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the entire point of these chapters

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Is a project for me to make 9 chapters that behave like the 9 traitor legions pre-heresy through learned behaviour, rather than them actually being traitor loyalists

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So for all intents and purposes the Grave Walkers and Eternal Warders are successors of whoever you want for them

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since genetic legacy isn't integral to their doctrine or identity

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But the Grave Walkers are based on the Warhounds and Iron Warriors (shocker I know)

tender igloo
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I feel like being nice so I will say that while I may hate gav Thorpe's writing, he seems like a very nice guy

frosty cobalt
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Damn thats actually really cool

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Just like

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“Hey before the heresy they did it right, might as well try again?” Kinda vibes

errant mauve
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Pretty much

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I find it quite lazy

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when folks for homebrewing are like

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"My guys are siegemasters because they have [x] Geneseed!"

frosty cobalt
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Ah yea

errant mauve
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I try my best to make good reasons for why my chapters behave the way they do

frosty cobalt
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Like point allocation in a rpg

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Yee

errant mauve
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also it causes fights on the homebrew server and its funny

frosty cobalt
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🤣

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This is what i feel like when i talk to imp stans about tau

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Im imagining its a similar feeling

errant mauve
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In the homebrew server

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there's 2 clear cliques

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Anti-loyalist traitors

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and "everything is a loyalist traitor! You're a loyalist traitor! I'm a loyalist traitor!"

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and the ambiguity generally causes arguments lol

cloud kindle
cerulean wagon
marsh grail
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So is it possible for mutants to be psychers?

atomic pelican
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yes

marsh grail
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Obviously some would be less useful such as an ogryn

atomic pelican
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There are Ogryn psykers infact now

marsh grail
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I’d imagine they’d just be a ticking psychic bomb

atomic pelican
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Which is kinda interesting

marsh grail
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Oh really?

atomic pelican
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Yep

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there's one in um

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I think the new ork book?

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Who;'s rather intelligent infact

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I only saw a summary of it

marsh grail
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I hope they lean into it similar to how some forms of autism can cause Savantism. I grew up in special needs classes since I have Aspergers myself so I like to imagine ogryns similar to some of my classmates.

cloud kindle
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There are Ogryn psykers infact now
@atomic pelican who are these good boys

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They better be able to make giant rock fists

atomic pelican
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Oh theres just one named one!

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It pisses off the inquisitor because a ogryn being intelligent goes against the imperial truth

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Then presumably there are others

cloud kindle
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Inquisitor goes reeeeeeeee

errant mauve
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/17jc_iRf1JiQVEZp1JE--OKLSIusua4VnLXDmWLa8WW4/edit?usp=sharing @frosty cobalt I made a doc for the flavour texts and added a couple more chapters if you're interested in reading grin

frosty cobalt
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always

errant mauve
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Thinking of turning this into a Badab-style Imperial Armour once I'm finished the IW codex

frosty cobalt
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POG

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imma be a tarrasque brb

errant mauve
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They do be taking skulls excusemeflushed

cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
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Ye its.. interesting

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I dont have especially strong feelings abt imperial fluff unless its directly butting in on some xeno thing, but I can see why itd be sussy

final spruce
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Ogryn psyker ? That sounds like a fun concept

cerulean wagon
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like im all for things getting a one up on sm, but having an ork just be in the room with a bunch of deathwatch and none of them notice is...

atomic pelican
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Memez writing?

cerulean wagon
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ye

final spruce
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Kommando

marsh grail
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So show of hands how many would lose there minds if one of the unknown primarchs ends up being a daughter? I mean female marines existed so what if they retcon her being the primarch of a primarily female legion something happened and they got deleted and that’s why female marines are gone? Perhaps both unknown are female.

atomic pelican
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dont care about marine lore very much, would be in it for the salt mines

cloud kindle
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doubtful

plucky moth
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the twist is they've joined the tau

atomic pelican
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It'd be funny

marsh grail
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I personally would rather coed legions but if it fits better into why they were exterminated they could be all female legions.

cloud kindle
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they have been referred to as male in the lore several times

storm jungle
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I mean

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the only reason female marines dont exist is because their molds didnt sell well

cloud kindle
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^

storm jungle
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because it was the 80's and girls were icky

marsh grail
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Yes yes we know that

cloud kindle
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girls are yucky

storm jungle
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dont make me post genderbent primarchs tho

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i got files

marsh grail
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But if someone were to come up with a lore reason is this feasable or dumb?

cloud kindle
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i got them somewhere

storm jungle
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literally nothing is stupid or dumb

cloud kindle
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think lore reason is big e didnt want to risk space marines breeding

cerulean wagon
storm jungle
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fuck you

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AAA-

cloud kindle
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and making a new ruling class of humans

cerulean wagon
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LOOK AT THEM DILARA

marsh grail
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If someone was tasked with finding a way to write a story on why there were female marines but now there aren’t what could it be with minimal retconning.

cerulean wagon
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LOOK AT THEM AND TELL ME THERE IS A GOD

cloud kindle
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i mean....

atomic pelican
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god

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old faces

cloud kindle
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those molds really are icky.

plucky moth
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what's funny is female marines would probs sell like hotcakes given current love for 8ft tall muscle mommies

storm jungle
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^

cloud kindle
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prob

storm jungle
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its one of the reasons why female stormcasts exist

marsh grail
cloud kindle
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though you KNOW all the neckbeards will fucking reeeeeee

errant mauve
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can install acid pouch into pre-pubescent boy
cannot sterilize space marines

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Emperor moment

storm jungle
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^

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this lmao

plucky moth
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Marines are sterilized by their attitude

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it's fine

cerulean wagon
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na iirc he sterilizes them but certain chapters writers went "but my marines are special and do it anyway"

marsh grail
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I mean krieg exists

storm jungle
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NOOO

marsh grail
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I’m sure you can gene clone a baby

errant mauve
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There's no set canon reason for the lack of femmarines since pretty much everyone conveniently serves around it. My headcanon is that the Imperium is so backwards and tradition-bound that they just never tried, because they never did it.

storm jungle
marsh grail
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It’s not like the emperor didn’t do it to make the primarchs

storm jungle
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with the entire "genes/zygotes" thing

errant mauve
storm jungle
#

so you're pretty much right

errant mauve
#

They're just baby dispensers KEKW

cloud kindle
#

we dont talk about the vitae wombs.

cerulean wagon
#

cringe, just like the rest of krieg

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😔

storm jungle
#

damn it

marsh grail
visual pumice
#

They dig out of the ground

cloud kindle
#

i know fabulous bile is trying to make female marines

marsh grail
#

Or at least that’s my understanding on how it’s done irl

errant mauve
#

Look man, I'm just gonna say this.

Modern science and logical knowledge of physics, biology, and chemistry
Warhammer 40k

don't mix

#

Just roll with it.

cloud kindle
#

no

visual pumice
#

Not yet they don’t

cerulean wagon
#

i'll mix you in a minute

storm jungle
#

GENE-ALCHEMY GOES BRRR

visual pumice
#

🧪

errant mauve
plucky moth
#

idk why they use vitae wombs instead of just using molds for their units like the rest of us do

cerulean wagon
#

sometimes its hard to get the flesh tones right incan

visual pumice
#

Why don’t kriegers just have sex

#

Fucking idiots

cloud kindle
#

i mean.

#

they do...

errant mauve
#

But yeah, pardon me if I sound aggressive. I'm just really tired of "40k would be totally solved if we applied [x] STEM field to it!" talk as a STEM major myself.

visual pumice
#

Do they reeeeally?

cloud kindle
#

lets just saying theres some writers that make it weird

cerulean wagon
#

krieg writers are cringe

storm jungle
#

I saw some artwork of kriegsman banging in a trench

#

so yeah

#

i hate it

visual pumice
#

Gas masks rubbing together

cloud kindle
#

hot

plucky moth
#

I dig it

cloud kindle
#

well played.

plucky moth
#

....this is why I don't get paid

storm jungle
#

STOP

atomic pelican
cloud kindle
#

or should i say

#

WELL SPADE

atomic pelican
#

I'm pretty sure that's what's happened to the eldar

cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
#

One trait of them was "dying race" and then memers kept blurting it

#

So now the writers just write that

#

by writers I mean 'Gav' the 'person'

plucky moth
#

idk Krieg memes/bullshit is pretty entrenched at this point

#

so it's just how it is

storm jungle
#

INCAN

#

STOP

#

SDKFSDK

plucky moth
#

LOL

errant mauve
#

You've really dug yourself into a hole here Ican

cloud kindle
#

careful incan you really are wiring dilara up

marsh grail
cerulean wagon
#

seems you went over the top with that one

plucky moth
visual pumice
storm jungle
#

bruh

errant mauve
cerulean wagon
#

dilara really do be under siege

cloud kindle
#

dilara really wants to charge us for stupid puns

visual pumice
#

Taking fire for your good word play

cloud kindle
#

mass casualties

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
#

she didn't even make it 15 hours

frosty cobalt
#

Damn ment to spoil srry

#

Bit too spicy

visual pumice
#

Why’d i get pinged

frosty cobalt
#

Forget how to do it on mobile

visual pumice
frosty cobalt
visual pumice
#

Ok

plucky moth
#

rename the file to SPOILER_ at the front

#

and you'll be fine

visual pumice
#

Type spoiler in bold letters before you post

plucky moth
#

if it doesn't work I'm banning you btw smilezpyre

frosty cobalt
#

Damn editing file names on mobile fuck that

frosty cobalt
plucky moth
#

(I'm jk)

#

((pm me too))

plucky moth
#

TRU

visual pumice
errant mauve
#

Incan-quisitor

errant mauve
#

thinkin about old school knight warden

primal tide
#

excuse me waiter there's something wrong with my mr potato head

errant mauve
#

He has too much drip

frosty cobalt
slow prawn
cursive hull
#

So one of those little Lego robots

#

Fuck

#

What are they called...

primal tide
#

Bionicle

cursive hull
#

No, no

#

Ramas

#

Rama are these little aliens who like racing from a lot of the Lego Racer sets

primal tide
#

Oh damn, I think I had a set of those

#

Yeah they were tiny cars with sets

#

Or was it just the cars? I can't remember

atomic pelican
#

Bionicles stc

#

Mistaken for another titan fab

#

Techpriests in disbelief which final product comes out 2 inches tall

cursive hull
#

Looking at it...

#

Yeah, it was just the car and the little alien figure

#

OH

#

They'd come with like

#

a launcher?

#

Something to push the car real fast.

primal tide
#

riiiight

#

I remember they had a mars alien kit thing with little tube pods and a pressure thing to send your guys rocketing thru flexible tubing

cursive hull
#

Yee. I remember those too

storm jungle
#

Just reading Horus Rising in a restaurant with my mom while waiting for our order and uh

No fighting force in the galaxy could ever hope to match the Legions, unless the stars went out, and madness ruled, and lawful sense turned upside down. For, as Sedirae had once said, ‘The only thing that can beat an Astartes is another Astartes’, and they had all laughed at that. The impossible was nothing to be scared of.

Abaddon’s company, First Company, was crossing the bulwarks into the far flank of the palace. Loken magnified his view, resolving hundreds of white-armoured figures pouring through the smoke and chop-fire. At the front of them, the dark figures of First Company’s foremost Terminator squad, the Justaerin. They wore polished black armour, dark as night, as if they belonged to some other, black Legion.

gaunt vector
#

subtle foreshadowing brought to you by the 16th legion

storm jungle
#

Very cool stuff very cool stuff

errant mauve
storm jungle
#

God that shit was atrocious

errant mauve
#

r/40klore will have your head on a pike!

storm jungle
#

AAA-

primal tide
#

There's a couple others that had me rolling

final spruce
#

I mean a plasma also works against marines

ashen lake
#

If Magnus had been wrong when he warned the Emperor and Horus hadn't actually betrayed the Emperor would it be called the Horus Hearsay? 🤔

plucky moth
#

TRU

ashen lake
#

my nitro lapsed

errant mauve
#

Hor-sus Heresy

vast frigate
#

Evil magnus be like

#

Emperor i wont warn you, hello leman my good brother

lofty storm
#

Just reminding everyone why loving Imperial Fists is a good thing.

#

😊

marsh grail
#

Would 40k be very different if all the known primarchs were swapped so that the traitors stayed loyal and the loyal ones went traitor? Which would have likely leaded it to have the heresy named after them?

vapid tiger
#

idk probably not considering 40k existed before the heresy was written

vast frigate
#

An example is angron

#

His biological capability of taking away pain and even healing nearby allies would have been amplified ten, if not a hundred fold if he was untainted

#

Can you imagine marines that get healed actively by the Red Angel?

#

On the other hand, the fear inducing madness that couldve come from fighting the blood angels

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Vampiric soldiers that harvest enemy troops for blood

marsh grail
#

Imagine evil Vulcan. Would he be like perturabo?

#

It’s hard to pick

vast frigate
#

The unkillable traitor

#

That oughta swing some battles around

marsh grail
#

The direct counterpart is rogal sure but he’s less of a builder I think

vast frigate
#

It would completely change the base foundation

marsh grail
#

Didn’t he build a ton of super weapons too?

vast frigate
#

Yes, vulkan and rohal both built super weapons.
I
If the word bearers had spread the truth instead of religion, that would mean the entirety of the galaxy wouldve been near non-religious

marsh grail
#

And Magnus would have done the right thing.

#

…maybe

#

Wait that means he’d have two eyes and his legion would have been exterminated right?

vast frigate
#

I urge you to look up wolfdawgart and the heresy concept art he made for the primarchs

#

If magnus was on the right side

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He wouldve agreed to the edict of nikea

marsh grail
#

Oh yeah

#

Then there’s the ultra marines. Can they even be evil?

vast frigate
#

His soldiers wouldve nullified themselves or actively honed their ranged specialisations

#

Yes

#

Theyd take over spreading corruption from the word bearers

marsh grail
#

Ah yes. It seems that each side more or less has a counterpart

vast frigate
#

Look at what a legion does and make it evil or good

marsh grail
#

Heh imagine it’s really reversed and Sanguinius kills Horus.

vast frigate
#

Salamanders? They now ritually melt civilians
Iron warriors? They reinforce planetary systems and make them way more livable

#

Completely possible yeah

marsh grail
#

Ritual civilian melting. Lol

vast frigate
#

Gotta appease slaanesh somehow

#

And khorne

marsh grail
#

I’d say khorne probably straight forwards

vast frigate
#

Leman

marsh grail
#

Or they’d go iron warriors and not pick one

vast frigate
#

The war hounds and the space wolves wouldve simply swapped places

marsh grail
#

Leman seems to be a likely candidate

vast frigate
#

Leman wouldve become the red wolf

#

Angron the Red angel

marsh grail
#

Then there’s fulgrim I suppose he just wouldn’t have kept the sword

vast frigate
#

Beheaded

marsh grail
#

Oh yeah I bet ferrus manus would have killed him

#

Just take any dead primarch and swap them with their killer

#

Were Leman Russ tanks discovered pre or post heresy?

vast frigate
#

Pre

lofty storm
#

Oh. You're the "40K cringe" kid. LMFAO

vapid tiger
#

I have a 1st ed rulebook so yup

frosty cobalt
vapid tiger
#

^

lofty storm
#

😂

frosty cobalt
lofty storm
#

Honestly both are sick. LMFAO

#

The duality of siege warfare.

frosty cobalt
#

i saw smth that was like

#

the IF hold a point becasue that is what they are made for, and the IW hold a point cause fuck you

lofty storm
#

LMFAO

lofty storm
#

If it's any consolation they're probably one of the best traitor legions.

#

Breaching shields are just 😳

marsh grail
#

Imperial fists are also my favorite traitor legion

frosty cobalt
errant mauve
#

The propaganda campaign is working CEASE

peak hamlet
supple plume
#

Yea of all traitor legions, iron warrior is the best

placid timber
#

Nightlords will always be in my heart frogheart

vast frigate
#

Thousand sons and World eaters are spelled very differently

tender igloo
#

i like alpha legion when they are written decently

#

then i would say world eaters are probably my in my top 3 along with thousand sons

vast frigate
#

Thousand Twunks

ionic tree
#

Twinks*

rose thorn
#

My friend told me they saw a warhammer video talking abotu something, its pinkish, big and kinda like nemsis, and can absorb and fire back bullets. Anyone know what it is?

neat fiber
#

Probably a chaos daemon of some kind by the sounds of it? thats my guess

rose thorn
#

yea i think so too, but i cant htink of any slaanesh demons that fit the description, adn i dont know the tzeetch demons

neat fiber
#

I mean I know pink horrors

#

these fellas

#

but as my limited knowledge goes I dont think they absorb anything since they are basically suicide infantry to my understanding?

rose thorn
#

Ok he was talking abotu obliterators

#

In my defense if he said anything about armor and teeth i would probably have gotten it

neat fiber
#

Im just going to act like I know what that is while I go look it up

#

Oh I guess by the pink they meant the flesh mutations?

#

And its caused by a genetic virus so I would guess fabius

#

its actually perturabo and mortarion?

#

huh thats cool i guess

errant mauve
#

Obliterators also

#

don't absorb bullets per se

#

they do produce their own inside their bodies though

marsh grail
#

Ok so if my understanding of the warp is correct the emperor technically can form “daemons” such as the legion of the damned. So then hypothetically could it be possible to create a daemon engine out of one of the emperors “daemons” no doubt attempting this would be heresy but as always it’s only heresy if you are unsuccessful. So if it were to succeed what would this creation be like?

errant mauve
#

Very unhappy rhino possessed by a definitely-not-dead marine

rose thorn
#

I mean, they mostly use to be techmarines, and could be a funny pun with emperors children, but it’s stupid

neat fiber
#

I mean hey in the terms of naming viruses we now have technovirus, flayer virus and the destroyer virus

#

they are very great at naming

#

speaking of flayer virus

#

I want to see the weird side of necrons show me the flayer realm

#

Do it you cowards

pallid pawn
#

😻

peak hamlet
#

Cease

pallid pawn
#

why

peak hamlet
#

Wait that wasnt meant as a lewd joke?

storm jungle
#

staph

peak hamlet
pallid pawn
peak hamlet
#

Well..

pallid pawn
#

nurgle got me bricked up

karmic gulch
peak hamlet
#

No

#

Take this

#

Tfw random underhive gang got better shields than space marines

#

Or well they actually are a thing in necromunda nvm me

dim totem
#

the one enforcer with the lil ram

#

i kind of expect the wh40k equivalent of that to be like in straight outta compton

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peak hamlet
#

Lmfao

dim totem
#

you could deffo see arbites using that right

#

just crash down the front door and possibly the rest of the wall of your hive hovel

#

get smacked into the wall

#

you try to flush your space crack but the arbites gas your ass

peak hamlet
#

You can use it in melee too

#

It also is a grenade launcher at the same time

dim totem
#

i also love how when it reverses it takes the rest of your wall with it

peak hamlet
#

I need to find a way to equip one of my marines with this thing

dim totem
#

yeah good luck with that

#

gonna be fiddly as shit

#

or you could find one with a similar pose and attach the front end of that ram to the gun

peak hamlet
#

This mans arms might work

dim totem
#

Yh

#

Id get rid of the ammo thing then

#

looks weird

peak hamlet
#

Man i recently ordered a bunch of bits online and almost bought this weapon+arms, now i regret not buying it

rose thorn
#

Oh I have that kit! Yea it can literally be used to hold anything

#

Since all deathwatch models can hold, like anything

peak hamlet
#

Just hope i get a clean cut and dont mess their fingers up

dim totem
#

What part are you gonna cut

peak hamlet
#

Well and the rest of the grip on his right hand

barren tapir
peak hamlet
#

Ikr?

#

GW FIX UR LORE

barren tapir
#

What should they fix about this?

#

I mean, it is nothing wrong, Van Saar have access to a STC, while SM are just brutalist tools in the end, and they use brutal tools too

#

The bolter is an example, it is not a super advanced weapon, it is an extremely brutal one, capable to withstand heavy use and multiple uses, like for melee and ranged

peak hamlet
barren tapir
peak hamlet
#

Yee but they are limited to a single planet

barren tapir
#

Yep

dim totem
barren tapir
#

And they also fly low... I mean, they constructed a space elevator and the ring around necromunda, but they try to keep a low profile

dim totem
#

id keep the weapon mostly and just attach the ram head

cloud kindle
#

van saar are one of the top gangs on necromunda

#

plus they also have an STC that they are hiding from the imperium

vast frigate
#

They arent hiding it

#

Its known they have it

dim totem
#

they are top percentage rattata

cloud kindle
#

new lore then

dim totem
#

i mean gang

vast frigate
#

They have a deal because the mechanicus thinks its still broken

#

They projected a percent repaired per 100 years or so

peak hamlet
vast frigate
#

Their new plan is to turn hive primus into a new battlestation

#

The entirety of hive primus is being scanned to mount engines

cloud kindle
#

rip underhive

vast frigate
#

Its their ultimate goal for control, if they manage the thrusters and engines, nobody can oppose their rule

cloud kindle
#

unless the fists get off their butt and say staph that

cerulean wagon
dim totem
#

like in mortal engines?

cerulean wagon
#

they feel like someones OC

#

like, their story line is straight up just isekai

cloud kindle
#

its my oc

#

donut steel

dim totem
#

i never had any affinity with van saar

barren tapir
dim totem
#

same with how delaque looks bvs how the old models look

#

i liked trench coat baldies

barren tapir
dim totem
#

weird spindly guys not so much

vast frigate
#

I dont think they suck but thats neccy munda

#

Wasnt really meant to connect to the 40k lore apart from being set in the universe

barren tapir
#

In fact Van Saar have become way more paranoid in protecting the STC recently

vast frigate
#

Cause they fixed it

barren tapir
#

Nope

#

Not yet

vast frigate
#

The rad suits now sustain their older members while the newer suffer way less rad poisoning

cloud kindle
#

from lore i know it works but its throwing off a lot of radiation

barren tapir
#

No deal with the mechanicus either

vast frigate
#

The deal has always been there

cloud kindle
#

yeah the deal is new lore

#

least to me

barren tapir
vast frigate
#

I cant remember them without the deal but that could be me

cloud kindle
#

cause broken or not i dont think the mechanicus will just leave a stc in the hands of someone other than them

barren tapir
#

In fact a team of the mechanicus went missing after they showed too much interest in Van Saar

vast frigate
#

Walking the dog brb

barren tapir
#

And it had the imperial house to step in before things escalated quickly

barren tapir
cloud kindle
#

and if they are discovered the mechanicus will go to war very quickly

barren tapir
#

But they were content enough with the archeotech handled to them by the imperial house, so they were happy

#

It is true that it seems that the STC is changing though, something seems to have stirred it

cloud kindle
#

i blame cawl

barren tapir
#

I blame the Iron lords... Which some source seems to hint they are Necrons and other that they are just very advanced humans

#

It is... weird...

cloud kindle
#

fucking trazyin at it again

dim totem
#

i blame erebus somehow

barren tapir
#

Then there are the escher

#

They too are quite crazy for history

#

Since they seems to descend from some super advanced group of female geneticists

#

Also super advanced genetically speaking

storm jungle
#

Escher pls

peak hamlet
#

😳

storm jungle
#

also I was reading Iron Hands stuff during break and uh

#

A Stolen Tithe (963.M41) - Several of the Iron Hands' most commonly tithed recruiting worlds descended into anarchy and uproar. Their Planetary Governors claimed that the Iron Hands had been taking vast, unsustainable tithes of their populace, stealing them away in the dead of night. Efforts were made by the people of these worlds to resist recruitment, drawing the Iron Hands' wrath and leading to several brief and brutally one-sided wars. Only after the smoke cleared did the truth emerge. Bands of grotesquely-warped Eldar pirates had in fact been responsible for the mass abductions, stealing the planets' peoples away into yawning portals. Chaplain Shulgaar assembled a strikeforce from Raukaan's ranks and successfully intercepted the next raid, punishing the xenos for their brazen temerity. The damage had already been done, however, and the Iron Hands' recruitment rate droped by almost a quarter over the next standard decade.

visual pumice
#

damn

storm jungle
#

man they really are the dumbest loyalist legion

visual pumice
storm jungle
peak hamlet
#

Bruh fucking eldar stealing ppl

cloud kindle
#

prob dark eldar

storm jungle
#

"Bro should we just go and ask the population whats happening"

#

"Nah lets fucking kill them all"

cloud kindle
#

which i think being killed by the iron hands is far more preferable

visual pumice
#

"they dare talk back?!?!?!"

cloud kindle
#

i dont want to be made into a living flesh table ty

peak hamlet
#

Yeah like "ay u iron hands steal our ppl" "wat well guess imma shoot u now"

storm jungle
#

damn

visual pumice
#

that was a very rude thing to accuse us off, rocket to face

storm jungle
#

just like real life

visual pumice
#

too real

storm jungle
dim totem
#

IF

visual pumice
#

not if i kill them first

cloud kindle
#

i still think that would be more preferable

#

i dont mind some bdsm but deldar crank that shit up to 11 and break the dial

dim totem
#

why are dark eldar dark

cloud kindle
#

cause 40k

#

something something feeding off pain and misery

visual pumice
barren tapir
vast frigate
storm jungle
#

Alright meme done, I had nothing to do so might as well

final spruce
#

Not bad

#

👍

storm jungle
final spruce
#

Decent memes as always

storm jungle
#

Thank you thank you fingerguns

odd sparrow
#

local drukhari exist only to be annoying bastards

final spruce
#

Literally I quote "abandoning sisters" because they butchered their lore

#

Or them not being allowed to use banners and Simulacrums until they are fully trained sob

peak hamlet
#

Bruh adding space marine scouts but sob is butchering their lore??

final spruce
#

Also them complaining that this new unit is "bad"

barren tapir
#

Wow, people complaining that they widened the lore about how a recruit of the sisterhood get to wear a power armour...

final spruce
#

Ikr

barren tapir
#

But i guess they all wanted them to be mary sue that get handled some of the most precious piece of tech that the imperium have without having to train for it

barren tapir
#

If ever

#

This also mean we will get more pattern of carapace armour though... It seems a win/win situation to me

storm jungle
#

Like it makes sense, why give power armor to recruits in training lmao

#

Whats the big deal

final spruce
#

Oh yeah i completely agree

#

Plus the sergeant still get ones which means that SOB still get their armour during their training as novitiates, just not directly, as the aforementioned unit is said to be fresh-off the Schola

#

They were just salty because the box they came in is expensive and they found the unit "bad"

#

Which it isn't

tender igloo
#

How much is the box even?

final spruce
#

199$

tender igloo
#

Ok, that is a bit of a rip-off

final spruce
#

So 125£

tender igloo
#

Especially compared to octarius

final spruce
#

Just go another source saying it will "only" be 170$

eternal ledge
#

Well its the standard Kill Team starter price

#

Only one I would have considered a rip off was the Pharoah Nexus one

#

You get a squad of Flayed Ones, Heavy Intercessors, a Captain in Heavy Intercessor plate and a Necron Lord and some blocks for "terrain" on a play mat

#

But the Krige vs Ork one and the first one had actual terrain

visual pumice
#

I would say this one is abit of a rip considering it has one less book in it no? Plus it’s an expansion

storm jungle
#

Since I'm getting annoyed of all the Anti-Astartes posts lately, which are not without their own merits, are there any scenes where the Astartes flex their transhuman status and basically shut an uppity mortal down?

#

the horror

barren tapir
#

There are anti astartes posts? This is the same as saying there is still hope!

atomic pelican
#

Love this

#

Oh woah as the poor space marine fan

visual pumice
#

struggling from success

atomic pelican
#

Has their cock rubbed by every facet of gw, has to be lightly ribbed by everyone else online

storm jungle
#

SDFJFDS

final spruce
#

Oh poor Marine fan

storm jungle
#

A SINGULAR STRIKE

atomic pelican
#

Size has no inherit merit

final spruce
#

Truly your faction has the least stories , minis and tabletop representation

atomic pelican
#

Lest inordinate exsanguination be a virtue

final spruce
#

be* considered a virtue

storm jungle
#

Onut laying it like it is 🙏

#

but yeah marine fans are the worst lmao

final spruce
#

happy guard stan noises

barren tapir
#

All i want is some IG regiment that kill some marines asses, last example of that were the ghosts that ambushed a marine ambush

#

And it was sooooo gooood!!

peak hamlet
#

As a based big chungus 100 csm enjoyer i approve of this 😎

storm jungle
#

speaking of

storm jungle
#

"we marine fans have as much right to post about our lore"

#

YOU DO

#

EVERY DAY

barren tapir
#

True, but it they were still marines

storm jungle
#

ITS ALL PRIMARCHS

atomic pelican
#

Primarch post #560

final spruce
#

Those were World Eaters ambushing a column of manticores

peak hamlet
#

In case of space marine apply deathstrike missile until problem is solved

final spruce
atomic pelican
#

40k's plot would've been greatly improved had the Horsus Heresussy never been written

barren tapir
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Plasma, we need more plasma, since GW is not very good with weapons since to crack open a SM even solid projectiles would be good

final spruce
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What the fuck can they complain about

cerulean wagon
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when the SM stans decide you are the reason they can't have fun

barren tapir
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I mean, if it is true that SM have tank armour level then lets take a lot of anti tank rifles, and lets see how that pan out

storm jungle
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the fact that he uses the words "uppity mortal" in the post is amazing

atomic pelican
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Larping

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Valrak posting on his alt

storm jungle
barren tapir
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Damn, i forgot what uppity means

peak hamlet
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Man firing 30mm apfsds at marines would be fun :)

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Literally just tear through their armor

barren tapir
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Also missile launcher

visual pumice
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AAAA

atomic pelican
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claims to be above mortals
Dies like a mortal like anyone else

barren tapir
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Fooookken hell, if GW had a bit of weapons knowledge would see that SM would get obliterated most of the time with how big they are

peak hamlet
frosty cobalt
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this is what i love, just SM players being salty that "Oh no our faction is being treated on equal footing of all other factions. how could this be"

storm jungle
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the horror

atomic pelican
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Ribbing of the marines will continue until they are squatted

frosty cobalt
atomic pelican
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So decrees I

atomic pelican
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💖

barren tapir
# peak hamlet Ikr?

Oh, look, a towering figure tall around 2 meters is going toward me, how could i have not seen it from long range and then obliterated it with pretty much all i have..

peak hamlet
storm jungle
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U look dumb

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get em my scarab pets

frosty cobalt
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the scream? i think its hilarious

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AAA

storm jungle
peak hamlet
primal tide
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Lmao

visual pumice
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WHO'S DISSING ME SCARAAAAAAAAAAAABS?

final spruce
barren tapir
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The hilarious thing is how much loud it is, those armours are supposed to be enclosed

atomic pelican
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People hype over bolters when theyre kind of uh, lowtier for the setting tbh? Like AdMech has the better weapons of the Imperium, and most xeno factions have something better

peak hamlet
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Anyways pls dont remove primaris marines from the webstore, i need them bits. Nerf them into oblivion instead

storm jungle
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Too late

frosty cobalt
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its a scifi thing, swarm of scifi bugs looks neat

barren tapir
peak hamlet
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I prefer seeing them getting torn apart by ranged ammo instead of them literally walking right through a swarm of scarabs which apparently can take marines out easily but decide to only kill one. Both the crons and the marines were dumb in taht scene

frosty cobalt
atomic pelican
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Legit tho

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They are

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Also the fact that theyre mass produced

barren tapir
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And as i said before, the bolter is just a glorified brutal tools, exactly like the tools that use it

peak hamlet
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Fuck cant type

frosty cobalt
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yea, i dont think anymore sadly, but in lore yer

atomic pelican
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Even in tt arent they?

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I think they are higher strength

frosty cobalt
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gimme a sec

atomic pelican
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Pulse rifles are S5 bolters are S4(?)

final spruce
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Yes

barren tapir
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LOLOLOLOL

final spruce
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Unless its heavy bolters that are S5

visual pumice
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rail rifle literally deleting marines and their potential recruits

peak hamlet
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Anyways

scarabs cute but eh.. dats about it
30mm apfsds > pulse rifle > bolter
marines dumb as shit
marine stans even dumber

barren tapir
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Imagine the power of a heavy bolter, in the size of a lasgun

peak hamlet
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Till tomorrow lads

barren tapir
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GN Hobo, and remember to drink water

frosty cobalt
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srry pal

barren tapir
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Coffee is not water

peak hamlet
primal tide
frosty cobalt
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basically

peak hamlet
frosty cobalt
atomic pelican
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Uhmm

barren tapir
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In lore at least

frosty cobalt
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in tt

visual pumice
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tau with rail rifles literally only going for the sniper elite testicle xray shots

final spruce
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--1 for stalkers

barren tapir
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But i think on TT only deathwatch can have them

frosty cobalt
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kk

final spruce
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Normal bolters have 0

atomic pelican
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They dont have ap

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Yee

frosty cobalt
final spruce
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All Primaris bolters have -1 tho

frosty cobalt
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ah there it is

final spruce
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Def no power creep wdym

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And that's not counting the fact that marines get passively an additionnal -1 ap depending of the round

barren tapir
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That is because they aren't bolters, or boltgun,FFS GW fix your nomencalture shit, but bolt rifle, simply better bolters

final spruce
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So round 2 a stalker bolter has -2 ap

atomic pelican
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The humble D-Cannon, commonly fielded heavy weapon literally tearing a hole into reality and sucking things in

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They want my D(Cannon)

final spruce