More like shit wing
#40k-lore-chat
visual pumice
peak hamlet
Quick ET, bash their skull in too
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lmaaaaooo
peak hamlet
Also more like cool wing 😎 😎 😎
dim totem
More like shit wing
visual pumice
More like mediocre wing
peak hamlet
More like based wing
visual pumice
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dim totem
me: i like space hulk deathwing a lot
also me:
visual pumice
Proof
peak hamlet
😔
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crisp heath
I played it yesterday
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why
peak hamlet
I played it yesterday
Based
crisp heath
I wanted to play
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why
peak hamlet
Cuz good gaem
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did u regret it
crisp heath
No
peak hamlet
🙏
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strange
crisp heath
I know that Warhammer has some doggy doo doo games but we make due
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they should when playing deathwing
peak hamlet
Deathwing cool ur not 😎 😎 😎
visual pumice
Deathwing drool
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and good gameplay
atomic pelican
Wh40k fans coping with the few games they get elevates easy 1/10s to 7s
Like a starved animal
visual pumice
I love stomping around empty hallways and churches
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yup
visual pumice
Very fun
visual pumice
Pretty ugly
crisp heath
Yea maybe like tell devs what you and how to improve the game then just shitting on it fine example Dawn of War 3
atomic pelican
I'm certain streum is listening
crisp heath
Being overly toxic to games and developers kill games
atomic pelican
Gonna hurt the corporation's feelings
crisp heath
I haven’t played it
peak hamlet
Pretty ugly
???
atomic pelican
Hired gun is okay yes
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also we are allowed to same game bad when game bad
visual pumice
I don’t really like the doom fast paced shit in hired gun
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if devs got no criticism they'd go nowhere
atomic pelican
I don’t really like the doom fast paced shit in hired gun
If it wasnt so clunky itd work I think
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ye its very much trying to sell off the back of doom eternal
atomic pelican
Its like going DOOM speed in a source game
visual pumice
If it wasnt so clunky itd work I think
110
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thats offensive to source games proud
crisp heath
I gotta say some Warhammer games come out are just plain cash grabs
peak hamlet
I don’t really like the doom fast paced shit in hired gun
We finally agree on something 🙏
atomic pelican
Yeee
crisp heath
Don’t ever support mobile gaming ever if you do the ruinous powers have you under their spell
atomic pelican
Les goeee surf css/tf2
visual pumice
and surf maps
Launches cs surf, proceeds to go on a rant about sjws
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like gladius or something
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but deathwing has so much money behind it
visual pumice
I really don’t like gladius
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thats fine, its not everyones cup of tea
atomic pelican
I think gamers are one of the few consumer bases thatll accept shit and still grovel for more, legit dont see this in many other products
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i enjoy its combat
crisp heath
Yeah games like gladius are boring
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very fun
visual pumice
And i’m not overly sure why
Like
Idk i play games like it and don’t dislike them
crisp heath
Chaos gate looks cool
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its cause gladius is heavy combat focused with a fair bit of depth and jank, and no explanation for how anything works
visual pumice
Yeah
atomic pelican
Like, imagine your car door falls off and then you go on to praise Ford and talk abt how to be kinder to the engineers who designed it
???
visual pumice
The no tutorial thing urked me
visual pumice
Yeah
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and their publisher doesnt let them work on what they want to work on
atomic pelican
I wish Gladius could be more
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they had to fight to get the eldar DLC out the door
crisp heath
Why is GW giving out licenses to small developers
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why not
atomic pelican
Every 4x game feels dry compared to anything the ES/EL team makes now
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true proud
crisp heath
They usually make bad games like most Warhammer games
visual pumice
I love the art for endless
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i literaly only play gladius cause its combat is better than EL
visual pumice
Fuck me
atomic pelican
visual pumice
What does 4x refer to incidentally?
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exploration, expansion, exploitation and extermination
dim totem
4 times the violence
visual pumice
Ah
dim totem
but yeah gladius is great
visual pumice
I’m still desperate for endless dungeon
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ahhh i need it
visual pumice
It’s soooooooooo good
atomic pelican
A good ol rub
visual pumice
Skroig to the rescue
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also i looked into it right
flybyno is still doing the OST for Endless dungeon (hes the guy that did all the other endless music)
but this lady from the trailer is going to also be helping out
they have like, a dedicated band in the hub area
visual pumice
There is like a story to dungeon right?
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yeah
visual pumice
Like the end bit
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So
visual pumice
People are just crashing into the planet or whatever
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Dungeon of the endless is the prequal to endless legend, essentially that ship is a Mezari ship being shot down by aurigas defences and the survivors go on to establish the people we know as the vaulters
then the survivors of endless Legend (the vaulters) leave auriga before the endless winter sets in, and awaken aboard the argosy centuries later, leading to their start in endless space 2
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ye its great
Infact, you know opbot in dungeon?
hes one of the characters, he survives all the way through to endless space 2
cause hes a robot powered on dust, so he has fostered the vaulters for their entire journey
visual pumice
Isn’t lady what’s her face in dungeon a broken lord?
visual pumice
Yeah. It’s harder to tell with the art style but i like it
crisp heath
When are we ever going to get updates on the development of this game
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when they are ready
crisp heath
Ready when tho
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when they are ready
crisp heath
I’m ready
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cool
crisp heath
Are you ready
marsh grail
Don’t even joke about death wing. It not only is a waste of money but a waste of time.
smoky mauve
Don’t even joke about death wing. It not only is a waste of money but a waste of...
Awesome trailer though lmao
final spruce
Damn this slaps
atomic pelican
I LOV the trailer
Shame the game sucked
Shouldbe made it Mariachi Hero dark angels
final spruce
Time to paint mexican Dark Angels
storm jungle
AAA-
final spruce
I'm making their chapter master Azrael into a Mariachi
rose thorn
hey what do teh drukhari call mercenaries?
I know they have a silly name for it
because eldar will be eldar
atomic pelican
mercenaries, unless you mean corsairs
atomic pelican
Yee
Tho Corsairs aren't quite mercenaries. They're just eldar pirates drawn from either drukhari/asuryani populations
or both
But they certainly could work as mercenaries!
rose thorn
I have a really good idea for a killteam but i wanted to see if anyone had done it before me
atomic pelican
I've heard rumors that the eldar KT release might end up being a corsair crew
atomic pelican
Yee tho im not sure, It could just as easily end up being a ranger team or warlock led guardians
rose thorn
I mean if its like, sslyth and medusas. and that other race i think it would be cool
atomic pelican
Drukhari mercenary species
final spruce
Snakey bois
atomic pelican
Same for the medusa
final spruce
GW finally seems to do good stuff with KT
rose thorn
To be honest they are better than Catachan models
final spruce
Catachans look so silly
final spruce
Because they are as old as eldar models
atomic pelican
Lots of skin = lots of detail that couldn't be done at the time
yee
It shows alot more on smaller, infantry models, most often
final spruce
And they did ugly skin details back then
rose thorn
I mean at least the eldar look passable
final spruce
Thanks to their design
final spruce
Catachans are just silly predator rambo
Their faces are still better than catachans tho
atomic pelican
Depends on the eldar model, guardians are probably some of the worst looking + some of the aspect warriors are just so bland looking compared to new models
rose thorn
The wraith lords look cool af
final spruce
Do the new banshees get faces ?
atomic pelican
I don't think they have helmetless variants
final spruce
Or are they mask only ?
atomic pelican
P sure they're mask only
IMO that's how all aspect warriors should be
I think that's how they all are too
atomic pelican
The wraith lords look cool af
Yeah all the vehicles and stuff look fine
final spruce
I wonder if its a real one
atomic pelican
except maybe warwalkers
rose thorn
Guardians?
atomic pelican
I hate warwalkers
rose thorn
they have a face
atomic pelican
Yeah, guardians aren't aspect warriors
atomic pelican
I wonder if its a real one
That looks neat hm
Trying to figure where that head is from
Prince Yriel maybe? Lemme check
final spruce
Im a sucker for purple so this miniatures awakens my painting spirits
final spruce
God I love purple but i do not know how to paint it and it would look ugly on my main army
weak fern
Its not from Lelith ?
rose thorn
Honestly ilove medusaes and they just restocked them
errant mauve
That head is just the autarch (exarch?) head that comes with the head isn't it?
errant mauve
final spruce
Im googling it but the only thing I see are barely dressed banshee conversions
atomic pelican
That's.. interesting..
final spruce
Looks neat
errant mauve
should just be the autarch head there
errant mauve
same style of hair poof
atomic pelican
SDUHFNDS
final spruce
I like the face on that one
weak fern
I hope one time we gonna have it Farseer Taldeer
errant mauve
Here's a thought, I've never seen an eldar army with non-human fleshtones
all that talk about Eldar faces got me thinkin
even just like
deathly pale eldar
final spruce
@atomic pelican this is what i was mentionning
errant mauve
I've never seen an army painted like that in 40k
final spruce
And I promise I only googled helmetless banshee miniature
errant mauve
but I've seen a fair amount of AoS elf armies painted as such
atomic pelican
discrusting
errant mauve
And I promise I only googled helmetless banshee miniature
the helmet seems to be the only thing that banshee is wearing
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Trying to figure where that head is from
might be the new banshee heads
final spruce
Yeah ikf
errant mauve
google needs to up their algorithm lol
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psure the exarch is demasked as an option
atomic pelican
Here's a thought, I've never seen an eldar army with non-human fleshtones
How pale u talking? Because I see most ppl paint their drukhari in the hard pales
Borderline purplish
atomic pelican
Oh yeah those guys literally live in the ocean so yeah
errant mauve
Givin me some eldar corsair ideas ngl
but that would imply me starting an eldar army
:^)
final spruce
I mean in general, elves are depicted with human skin tones, sometimes going into the deathly pale or even charcoal black
Depending of the setting
errant mauve
feel like a more unnatural skintone could help reinforce the perspective of eldar being these ethereal alien beings rather than "muh waifu"
atomic pelican
I was going to do eldar but their rules are so pitiful, plus the leak implied they'd get a release next year anyways so I'm just waiting
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atomic pelican
Eldar rules are straigh tup like
final spruce
I was going to do eldar but their rules are so pitiful, plus the leak implied th...
I guess Eldar and guard really are closer than I thought
atomic pelican
fucking pathetic
even compared to the other lesser armies
Like, playing GSC feels heavenly compared to eldar
errant mauve
I was going to do eldar but their rules are so pitiful, plus the leak implied th...
be me
fell in the CSM 6th ed trap
stuck playing CSM for the rest of eternity
final spruce
Hey Proud, guards reached 32% winrate last tournament
atomic pelican
Oof
final spruce
Even lower than gsc and cw
atomic pelican
rip
atomic pelican
Yeah, see, GSC now have a actual weird meta spot I feel which is that
They do okay against drukhari IMO
errant mauve
I get our WR isn't the worst because of EC cheese but being just a worse version of your main rival faction for close to 20 years does something to a mf.
final spruce
Gsc is at 40% seems like thzy just grab op tyranids from forgeworld
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errant mauve
Dimachaeron is a based sculpt
final spruce
Btw Proud, seeing the leaks, GSC will get guard rules before the guards do
Im counting on your for those brood brother rules
atomic pelican
Yee
errant mauve
still holding out for 2W CSM
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final spruce
still holding out for 2W CSM <:lul:825836255853674540>
Atleast they are less expensive
atomic pelican
Im counting on your for those brood brother rules
Brood Brothers probs just gonna suck and be way behind main GSC because of it which is
kinda funny
They'll probs get their 'regiment' trait but not much else
final spruce
Plus it plays in their favor since alot of armies have to take the mandatory multi dmg weapons against sm, something that isnt as effective against csm
atomic pelican
Same for nids too now that I think about it
reverse card where now nids will have to take GSC soup to be good
final spruce
Damn thatll be something
I lowkey want to see gsc broken again like the beginning of 8th
atomic pelican
Same
final spruce
Just because
final spruce
Their minis are sick
final spruce
Sadly I cannot find good stl files for gsc
I can find the fucking cyclop baby tanks but not gsc
Or atleast decent ones
atomic pelican
Yeah barely anyone plays GSC so probs why
I kind of hope they change Generations in the Making to increase costs rather than outright deny, or something like that
Like Agents of Vect
IMO that'd help us deal with auspex scan and such
Making tha tshit a 3cp stratagem
you may shoot me, but at what cost
errant mauve
Atleast they are less expensive
CSM
WS 3+ BS 3+ S: 4 T: 4 W: 1 A: 1 Sv: 3+
access to rapid fire 1 24" S: 4 AP: 0 D: 1 bolt gun as base weapon
14 points
Intercessor
WS 3+ BS 3+ S: 4 T: 4 W: 2 A: 2 Sv: 3+
access to rapid fire 1 30" S: 4 AP: -1 D: 1 as base weapon
access to assault 3 24" S: 4 AP: 0 D: 1 as base weapon
access to heavy 1 36" S: 4 AP: -2 D: 2 as base weapon
5 points more expensive
final spruce
Mmmh cant wait to try those cyclops against my friends
Oh well from the leaks Chaos is the next faction getting a full rework next year
atomic pelican
I still wish they'd divide daemons into their own books
final spruce
Which doesnt affect you mini wise since you dont buy from GW
I know they used to back in 4th edition
atomic pelican
Yeah, AoS having daemons split slaps so hard
Gives them all a more unique identity under their gods, imo
atomic pelican
+Having Slaves to Darkness as united chaos faction
errant mauve
another thing is
CSM standard suck so bad all we do is take min squads of them
rely mainly on Terminators to be a good infantry option
tfw Terminators 2W
tfw our troops choice is so bad we get affected by the D2 meta anyways
errant mauve
I still wish they'd divide daemons into their own books
For 40k, I honestly think the wise move is to either merge them into one codex and starting upping the options like in 3.5 or giving both ranges even more support.
As it stands imo daemons in 40k can't really stand on their own
final spruce
They dont have many unit options ye
errant mauve
hte main thing is that
in AoS
imo
a lack of choices isn't as bad as 40k
since you tend to take big bricks of battleline
and the lack of shooting generally makes up for anything else the daemons lacked
In 40k its cheese or be cheesed as daemons
final spruce
The Slaneeshy daemons are the clear winners
atomic pelican
Really? I haven't played 3e yet, but most ppl tell me It's still pretty ranged focused
Esp with like, big winners like KO
KO/Tzeentch/the usual suspects
errant mauve
But not every faction can shoot
atomic pelican
That's tru
errant mauve
I'm speaking more from just a general perspective
atomic pelican
Ah yeah oki
errant mauve
Tzeentch can suck my pp in AOS fuck that faction
on that note
AOS battletomes for god specific armies aren't really monodaemon anymore outside tzeentch too
since they got great mortals too
atomic pelican
Ahh ayt
errant mauve
anyways
atomic pelican
I'm most familiar with tzeentch since my girlfriend plays them SDFHND
atomic pelican
Or well did, It's been forever since we played AoS
errant mauve
for like the 108908th time
atomic pelican
It's oki bro we like to hear it
I meant to take pictures of some mung beans at work for you but forgot 😩
Bean Appreciator
errant mauve
someone read my description
atomic pelican
errant mauve
The Slaneeshy daemons are the clear winners
I am a fan of their sculpts
KoS look great
final spruce
Motherducking beans
atomic pelican
IMO some of the best daemon interactions come from the eldar books funnily enough
errant mauve
I really like AoS daemons
errant mauve
IMO some of the best daemon interactions come from the eldar books funnily enoug...
oh 👀
atomic pelican
Oh yeah def
errant mauve
ig working daemons into a more sciencey setting is a bit rougher than AoS' uber high fantasy
atomic pelican
Yee It's really cool, I think one of my favorites is where the protagonist of Seer, Thirianna, is walking along the Skein(Essentially the warp used by Farseers and such). And she encounters this place where she meets one of her prior romantic interests, and It's really neat since It's this like
Entire dialogue of slowly getting more sinister
Then he offers her a golden bracelet or such, and some other Farseers break the illusion and It's some daemonettes and such
Very sparknotes version, as It's been a bit since I read it
Whenever daemons actually like, think and talk, etcetc, that's besto
There's also a part in that book where a daemon possesses a child who Thirianna then hadoukens which is hilarious
Seer probs the only decent part of that trilogy
errant mauve
hadoukens
maybe summoning daemons is like inputting fighting game commands
explains why it's so hard to summon then
atomic pelican
Going on a tangent about Seer which I offhandedly mention on occasion because It's probs one of my favorite parts of Farseer fluff which is that
The most powerful farseers, a rare few, are able to change the past by reaching so far into the future that it loops around
plucky moth
atomic pelican
It's only like, barely mentioned, and not even done in the book but It's got some Interesting implications
errant mauve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kALgjtPg864
the real reason lorgar hasn't left the warp
grinding guilty gear
atomic pelican
It's also like turbo dangerous and most likely to just blow you up, but is possible, apparently
Or more likely, just to find your soul lost along the skein forever
errant mauve
they got lost in the backrooms 💀
atomic pelican
literally
errant mauve
Eldar lore is cool man
atomic pelican
It is, it just gets trounced every once and awhile
I think the original eldar lore is too good for it to ever be completely shit on by gav
atomic pelican
atleast we didnt get wholly turned into the ynnari
atomic pelican
LMAO
errant mauve
same with the AOS elves
and LoTR elves
really just elves in general
I just pathologically hate anything referred to as an elf
odd sparrow
weakling
ur just scared of an entire race of twinks and femme lesbians
like a coward
errant mauve
ur just scared of an entire race of twinks and femme lesbians
I think
And I'm not sure
The main reason is that
They visually don't register with the way I imagine them
odd sparrow
how so?
errant mauve
I always expect them to look more inhuman than they actually are
40k Eldar are actually pretty good at it though
But with like
WHFB/AoS
They're just 'umies with sharp ears
odd sparrow
yee i can sorta get that. But on the other hand i like my pretty elves
atomic pelican
Aren't dwarfs just humans but short and bearded?
Or really, that could apply to a bunch of fantasy races, no?
Orcs(in most fantasy settings other than WH) are just big green guys
errant mauve
If you find a human proportioned like a WHFB dwarf send him my condolences for he is dying a painful death
odd sparrow
I do def like the elf interpretations which are like, sorta more uncanny ish? Kerillian is a good example
atomic pelican
DFHND
errant mauve
odd sparrow
with the pale pallid skin + black eyes
atomic pelican
Squanched
odd sparrow
she's still pretty but she looks weird
errant mauve
Elves just look a lil too human ig
Gotta mess with the proportion a bit at least
But if folks like elves as they are more power to em
odd sparrow
they look distinct in their aesthetics and body language
not just their actual bodily appearance, imo
dim totem
I do def like the elf interpretations which are like, sorta more uncanny ish? Ke...
kerillian looks like a bug
big black bulging bug eyes, face always hidden, wears bark, looks supicious, probably smells like dirt and amber
odd sparrow
Transition goals
storm jungle
big black bulging bug eyes, face always hidden, wears bark, looks supicious, pro...
No that's saltzpyre iirc
cursive hull
You forgot wax.
I imagine Salty smells like wax.
And resentment.
dim totem
but real talk, i think kerillian looks great
she's creepier looking than say the legolas kinda elves
odd sparrow
Yee
I think she's a good balance between elves looking weird and inhuman but also like, not buttfuck ugly spindly weirdos like in some other settings
dim totem
well you dont really see her face so who knows
cerulean wagon
Honestly the way they have handled the characters in general for VT is a large part of why im surprised people want custom characters for darktide
odd sparrow
You do, tho the texturing on her skin does sorta make her look like a squid
dim totem
Honestly the way they have handled the characters in general for VT is a large p...
yeah i dont understand that
odd sparrow
This render makes her look pretty af
dim totem
you can look at 4 or 5 well designed characters with decent skins for the most part
or you can look at 3 other people's cursed custom creations
odd sparrow
The whole custom character thing was confusing from day 1
cerulean wagon
pretty sure that was a fan render tho right?
And ye like
i dont care how many characters we have
odd sparrow
Yee idk how much of it is the og model, but I have seen the model and it looks v similar
cerulean wagon
we have the VT team and Dan fucking abnett writting them
and people dont want this?
storm jungle
"I wanna be nameless guardsman 2918#"
odd sparrow
cus it's grimdark or smthn idk
storm jungle
LOL
odd sparrow
As opposed to an actual well written character yes
storm jungle
yeah the "muh sacrifices dont matter cuz grimdark"
dim totem
This render makes her look pretty af
i always imagined kerillian would look a bit like austin powers under the mask
storm jungle
w-wha
cerulean wagon
slender wants custom characters and a whole bunch of other people, even if they dont know 40k
odd sparrow
,, why
storm jungle
also the austin powers looking one is literally beardless kruber
ugly english teeth etc
👀
odd sparrow
Nah idk
dim totem
yeah the teeth
odd sparrow
Kruber is handsome
dim totem
thats what i imagine kerillian has
dim totem
i dunno
storm jungle
why would elves have jagged horse teeth
dim totem
to go with the whole bug eyes esthetic
storm jungle
WHAT BUG EYES
odd sparrow
???
odd sparrow
Thus is discrimination vs elves
dim totem
is it, those are not human shaped eyes
cerulean wagon
i just assumed she was scarred or something under the mask
odd sparrow
I curse you with bracers'nt
weak fern
Kerrillian is a Skaven.
odd sparrow
To be fair none of the U5 have normal looking eyes
They all sorta look a lil like those super realistic but uncanny dolls
Cus of the art style the game uses
cerulean wagon
mhmm
dim totem
yeah that's true
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but ye just
odd sparrow
Esp sienna
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fatshark do good design and story
odd sparrow
Her eyes can see through walls
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siennas eye glow is great
storm jungle
is it, those are not human shaped eyes
Pretty sure it might be because kerrillians eyes are a bit eastern'y?
odd sparrow
Do her eyes glow in the game?
cerulean wagon
ye ratty
dim totem
storm jungle
one of the reasons why mothmama looks good in elf cosplay 👀
cerulean wagon
not intrusively but pretty sure they do
odd sparrow
Yee
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i don't remember if its constant or while heated tho
odd sparrow
It feels like keri takes a few cues from east asian vibes in general
odd sparrow
Esp SotT
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and then shes aggressivley scottish in dialect
storm jungle
sdkjddfs
dim totem
and then shes aggressivley scottish in dialect
yeah the accent is comfy
storm jungle
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honestly props to whoever is on the team making decisions
i rekon we wont get one but an eldar for DT would be great
dim totem
yeah i really hope they pull through in that department on DT
cool characters you can listen to for hours
cerulean wagon
already liking the designs we have so far
and some of the concept arts
wonder who the steel legion boi we saw is
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dim totem
oh mus thave missed that
dim totem
that man looks like he's knows what his doing
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basically theres a few concepts shown, and we dont know if they are playables or inquisitor retinue NPCs
i also love this smug bastard
dim totem
im assuming theyll be in the retinue
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No confirmation yet, but i'm certain there will be more characters
playable ones that is
dim totem
in one of the things you pinned in theorycraft it was mentioned you might find pockets of resistance in the hab blocks
cerulean wagon
yeah
dim totem
yeah im just conjecturing
but im guessing the gameplay trailer showed (some of) the playable characters
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yi
dim totem
and these might be retinue or dudes you find in the hive
what does make me think is like
say you encounter some guardsmen while in a game
having them stop and talk to you might break up the flow of the gameplay
unless they follow you around like other bots
but yeah big conjecturing
so maybe these more detailed characters models are retinue
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honestly having an NPC you can just find to talk to mid mission
and get some idle dialogue, or an update on the state of the war front
would be kinda sick
also some extra images
plucky moth
that's a mood
cerulean wagon
which one
cerulean wagon
haha]
cerulean wagon
I'm almost certain the guy in the full storm trooper gear and the guy with the melta are the same character
@plucky moth alright for me to drop all of these images in theory craft for a pin?
just so people have easy access to em
plucky moth
sure
final spruce
Well Dan said we'd have a bigger supporting cast compared to VT2
That's pretty hype
cerulean wagon
yup
final spruce
Because tbh since I don't really follow VT's lore, I don't know much for example about the shadow mage lady and the painter that has the knacks for Saltz
final spruce
Because I'm not really that interested into VT2's lore
storm jungle
Weak
final spruce
I'm more a gun than melee guy in fps in general
storm jungle
frosty cobalt
Theres guns in vt tho
final spruce
Yeah but, they kind of suck
plucky moth
final spruce
When it comes to the feeling, for me
cloud kindle
final spruce
Because yeah i've heard about the complains about pistol being op etc
plucky moth
I still remember making a post on-release saying "wtf lads this thing is busted" and a bunch of people said I was wrong because of the long trigger pull
plucky moth
my experience with the community is saying something, getting panned for it, and then everyone realises I'm right later
frosty cobalt
Just fan the hammer yea, deletus an ogre
cloud kindle
whats a boss?
storm jungle
my experience with the community is saying something, getting panned for it, and...
No incan thats just the human species in a nutshell
cloud kindle
Strength pot+fan=gg
plucky moth
plucky moth
No incan thats just the human species in a nutshell
but yea the experience is PALPABLE for me with verm lmao
storm jungle
mood tbh
cloud kindle
though i do enjoy armor rounds
and just shredding blackrat patrols
or making cw headbang
plucky moth
yea the armour piercing slugs talent is really cool
keen nova
https://preview.redd.it/xkoa1dn6hdq21.jpg?auto=webp&s=94aaed481499eaefe002a0415f...
Do the Elves in fantasy all have black eyes? Are their eyes black for a reason?
final spruce
Kerrilian is a specific case because she is cursed
She witnessed a forbidden ritual which scarred her and cursed her
Else fantasy elves have white eyes
keen nova
Else fantasy elves have white eyes
Okay cool, that would have been a real bummer for me
I don't know anything about fantasy, I just thought estalla was cool
final spruce
VT was my entryway into fantasy, which is something i share with a lot of people
So yeah my fantasy knowledge is limited
marsh grail
So with 40k using earth as the past does this potentially mean that Vikings existed and that quite possibly Odin was someone that made a deal with Tzeentch in exchange for his eye?
cursive hull
That is possible, but impossible to actually confirm.
Now that I think about it, Tzeentch wasn't fully realized quite yet by then.
Then again, once Tzeentch was fully realized, about the time of the Renaissance, he, like all the Chaos gods, made it so he had always been.
So... Perhaps.
And yes, the Vikings definitely existed.
40k's first epoch is literally just... Now.
All of human history up till now.
outer quarry
And yes, the Vikings definitely existed.
Space Furries are, the embodiment of that, sort of.
karmic gulch
I still stick by that the gods might have come into existence back then, but the ones we can identify are not the same
I'm actually impressed with the Angel's of Death series
storm jungle
Really?
karmic gulch
The colour palette was odd at first, but it's growing on me
The former death watch marine relying on his experience with the watch to identify what actually went down
And what the true enemy is like
Then in episode 5 when arriving to the world, the expressions the ship mistress and Orpheos share both(atleast imo) show they understand something is wrong
Orpheos explains it away with the warp, but is still troubled by it. Volunteering to go down to the surface himself
Then willing to sacrifice himself for those on the sword of baal to know what is actually going down
I'm actually liking it xd
karmic gulch
I'm not sensitive to lights
And it's a battle scene where they don't understand everything
karmic gulch
I don't mind it
storm jungle
intense vomit inducing shaky cam
I mean you might not, but a lot of other people probably lol
storm jungle
👍
karmic gulch
As someone who's not a complete idiot to 40k lore nor gone full into the rabbit hole that is GW
It's decent
storm jungle
I'd say it'd be more impressive for something you'd find on youtube
for it being part of a streaming service its really subpar
karmic gulch
Kinda refreshing to see the darker tones compared to What If...
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568118870913581080/893109104472637450/scr...
i think whats worse is they can't decide on the audio for the bolters
they use like
3 different sounds for em
storm jungle
Yeah the visuals are good but the sound mixing is legit awful
which is a shame since it ruins the good scenes
cerulean wagon
especially when H&B audio is so good in comparison
storm jungle
Warhawk on the Leman Russ tank:
Was it shit. A Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader – the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero.
atomic pelican
leman russes just randomly bursting into flames
atomic pelican
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568118870913581080/893109104472637450/scr...
Does he say "We're almost to the bacon" or am I jus tmishearing
frosty cobalt
```
Was it shit. A Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so n...
Tau and Eldar chilling in their AC and minibar equipped tanks
atomic pelican
also god this audio is so bad
cursive hull
This has to be a reference
That excerpt on the Leman Russ
Its a big reference to that horrible book on why the M4 Sherman was bad
atomic pelican
Tau and Eldar chilling in their AC and minibar equipped tanks
This reminds me of that one damocles excerpt where like hammerheads end up with a 1:10 casualty ratio vs russes
cursive hull
Except the M4 Sherman wasn't bad, the guy writing the book was a mechanic for burned out Shermans, so he only saw them when they were destroyed.
frosty cobalt
This reminds me of that one damocles excerpt where like hammerheads end up with ...
Yea its even worse on taros
cursive hull
(And he's an idiot)
frosty cobalt
In the lore its not even the hammerheads, its the seeker missiles
cursive hull
I doubt the Leman Russ is that bad of a tank... Certainly bad against T'au hover tanks, but against equivalent vehicles they're not bad.
cursive hull
Not entirely. Its sloping is poor this is true
frosty cobalt
Pfffffffft
storm jungle
cursive hull
Dilara
frosty cobalt
U summoned them
cursive hull
Why do you hate me so?
cursive hull
No, but seriously, that Excerpt has to be a reference to...
storm jungle
Yeee deffo just a joke on old tanks
frosty cobalt
I can tell lol
But yea like the entirety of the imperial armor lineup prolly just resorts to armor thickness over slopes and deflection
errant mauve
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Cover_of_Death_Traps_by_Belton_Y_...
Hey look it's book 3 of the wehraboo bible
cursive hull
It does. According to the Lexi the hull is 150mm thick.
cursive hull
Hey look it's book 3 of the wehraboo bible
Exactly
Now what I'm really confused about is
atomic pelican
I hope eldar vehicles get like, a faction wide Holofield ability or something to make them more survivable in their own fluff
Imo craftworld vehicles should be less lethal than Drukhari ones, but more survivable via abilities like that
cursive hull
The Lexi lists 180MM of armor on the superstructure.
But the it doesn't have one.
atomic pelican
-1 d or -1 to hit etc etc
frosty cobalt
I hope eldar vehicles get like, a faction wide Holofield ability or something to...
I miss my disruption pods 😞
storm jungle
I mean realistically speaking half of the equipment eldar use would steamroll the I.G
but with it being 40k its gotta be fair etc
errant mauve
14 year old teens on the internet listening to the subjective and contextual experience of a single dude instead the hundreds of more objective primary and secondary sources:
cursive hull
14 year old teens on the internet listening to the subjective and contextual exp...
This
cursive hull
The United States military asked its crews constantly "Hey, is this good enough."
frosty cobalt
Prolly could go 3/5 to one hh depending on the engagement range
cursive hull
The response when the question was "Is the M4 Sherman good enough." was often "Yeah."
Also, yeah.
errant mauve
Hey look it's book 3 of the wehraboo bible
Book 1 and 2 of the Wehraboo bible of course, is Lost Victories and The Rommel Papers
cursive hull
The Hammerhead has the firepower to punch through the Leman Russ's armor
But it doesn't have enough armor itself to withstand the several incoming rounds from all the buddies that Leman Russ has.
odd sparrow
lost victories sounds like the nazi varient of lost cause
errant mauve
it honestly is LMAO
cursive hull
Called it
errant mauve
It's just Manstein crying and pretending to not be a piece of garbage
cursive hull
https://i.imgflip.com/53azcc.jpg Where superstructure?
I don't see any superstructure on the Leman Russ
odd sparrow
what's a superstructure
cursive hull
So, to put it simply
cerulean wagon
```
Was it shit. A Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so n...
what the actual fuck
who wrote this
frosty cobalt
what's a superstructure
Any sort of buildup beyond baseline version
cursive hull
A superstructure on a tank refers to an extension of the hull, typically in place of the turret
cerulean wagon
Its a big reference to that horrible book on why the M4 Sherman was bad
exactly what i was thinking
cursive hull
Lemme find an example
frosty cobalt
I don't see any superstructure on the Leman Russ
And its prolly talking about a command variant or smth else, not the base vers
cursive hull
This is the German Ferdinand
That big boxy bit on top where the turret should be, that's a superstructure
But like
This is the command variant of the Russ
frosty cobalt
Yea
storm jungle
what the actual fuck
Chris Wraight
frosty cobalt
Not much there
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
he can be labeled a sin like gav
frosty cobalt
Prolly just a GW goof then
cerulean wagon
and removed from my sight
cursive hull
Whatever they mean by superstructure, apparently on the Russ its 180mm thick
errant mauve
Wraight is the best author GW has rn though
cursive hull
Given they don't list turret numbers...
frosty cobalt
HHs only have 3 crew, and go 70kph apparently
frosty cobalt
Lol
cursive hull
Gun mantlet is 100mm thick.
frosty cobalt
Not that thick
cursive hull
Armor profile is mostly okay, but that'd only be if it was using advanced composites.
Its likely using just rolled homogenous steel.
frosty cobalt
Like everything in the imperium, it prolly varies from world variant to world variant
cursive hull
35 is like...
cerulean wagon
ye
frosty cobalt
Slow
cursive hull
M4 Sherman off road.
frosty cobalt
Hovertech for the win baybee
cursive hull
Anyway.
frosty cobalt
70kph everywhere
cerulean wagon
basically
cursive hull
Still, what angles it does have are probably okay.
cursive hull
???
frosty cobalt
How fast do tetras and piranhas go
cerulean wagon
dw carro just me being a shit about anti sherman stuff
cursive hull
Oh, yeah.
errant mauve
cursive hull
Best thing about the Leman is its gun
cerulean wagon
na dilara the shit hes quoting is from a fucking
cursive hull
120, I think?
frosty cobalt
Nvm tetras rip ass at 350kph
cursive hull
The barrel is way too big though.
frosty cobalt
nyooom
cerulean wagon
pretty much ye, the description hes given down a T matches a book that just shits over the M4 sherman
is it the same book that called it the ronson carro or a different one?
cursive hull
Hrm?
odd sparrow
puts this discussion into a wheelbarrow and yeets it into #865730416799645696
cerulean wagon
its still about lore ratty
cursive hull
I dunno. I never read it.
cerulean wagon
cursive hull
Because I didn't have to subject myself to that torture.
cerulean wagon
same
cursive hull
But that wording he uses sounds identical to what may be in that book
errant mauve
It's weird because
cerulean wagon
Like word for word?
i got nothin for a name, could poke a friend to ask but response may take a while and he'll hate me for reminding him
but ye word for word same description
errant mauve
Warhawk felt uncharacteristically "un-Wraight" for Chris Wraight
like if you compare it to his other novels the quality is noticeably lower
frosty cobalt
Huh battlesuits are quite slower then i thought
storm jungle
that and we really needed more Sigismund wanking
frosty cobalt
At least crisis ar
errant mauve
Morty didn't get his ass kicked though
frosty cobalt
F for kharn
errant mauve
He dominated the entire match against khan but gambled on a risky move because of his ego
errant mauve
that and we really needed more Sigismund wanking
It felt like Abnett and French were holding a gun to Wraight's head, and got him to inject their obnoxious perpetuals and sigismund lore into his book
cerulean wagon
whos kharn
errant mauve
at least ||Erebased killed Erda||
frosty cobalt
Swell guy
errant mauve
Violent man
frosty cobalt
Kharn is one of the most overrated marine characters ever
Valid and true, still love him
storm jungle
"WOW MAN HE SAT ON A FUCKING DITCH FOR 100000 YEARS AND THEN BARELY HURT FULGRIM BUT DAMAGED HIS EGO"
like, okay
frosty cobalt
Hes just a sad man who wants a happy dad thats all
errant mauve
Cool guy but his importance is enormously inflated by the fanbase
frosty cobalt
Yeap
errant mauve
like any cool 40k character, really
storm jungle
prisma lark
arm is too big for power armour
errant mauve
what's kharns gimmick anyways
Being the Chosen of Khorne ig
His appeal is how hard he leans into the Khorne-ness of Khorne to me
Just slammed the pedal and zipped into 'Zerkerhood
frosty cobalt
what's kharns gimmick anyways
Technically he was the last remaining commanding officer of the world eaters when Angron killed them all
Cpt of the 8th
So he basically was just some captain that became chapter master
errant mauve
ye
frosty cobalt
But like no one cared cause
errant mauve
He became Equerry to Angron(?)
frosty cobalt
Worldeaters
errant mauve
He's also one of the best fighters in the Legiones Astartes
frosty cobalt
Cpt sarrin was like the only one who held rank on that ship lmao
errant mauve
and in 40k you can be a cardboard cutout and still have a huge fanbase if you're a good fighter
frosty cobalt
Swell guy i hear
errant mauve
is that he's responsible for the World Eaters and Emperor's Children being splintered legions
instead of a more unified force like IW or DG
Battle of Skalathrax
Plus he's the mortal champion of Khorne
storm jungle
Can we give him his mcdonalds crown yet
errant mauve
?
frosty cobalt
I like the theory that with the Nails, angrons sympathy powers warped, and with kharn being the closest to him he got it the worst so after his BF died, he just went off the deep end
Dude in betrayer is quite nice (for a world eater) but yea he went down the eightfold path quick
errant mauve
Also shows what a slimy and manipulative bastard Erebus is
frosty cobalt
Ye
karmic gulch
i think whats worse is they can't decide on the audio for the bolters
Sure it's for a standard bolter? Or are you including heavy bolters there aswell?
final spruce
-1 d or -1 to hit etc etc
Please don't give them ideas
I don't want the -3 to hit on all eldar shenanigans ever again
errant mauve
I don't want the -3 to hit on all eldar shenanigans ever again
doesn't 9th ed limit modifiers to maximum 1 for minus to hit now?
atomic pelican
Yeah
Alaitoc still has uses since if you get a -2 you can negate a +1 and get the -1 but it's lesser
Not sure how they'll end up doing it
Durability through evasiveness through rules
Perhaps shoot/move for free via battle focus or something such
The current rumor for durability at least for wraith units is getting a -1 dmg
final spruce
doesn't 9th ed limit modifiers to maximum 1 for minus to hit now?
Yeah it does, I just have nightmares made of eldar flyers
atomic pelican
Imo at this point most of the craftworld traits feel like custom ones they're so pitiful
Esp since the custom ones are usually better lul
errant mauve
CSM just won a tournie
It gives me hope for the future
final spruce
Running comtemptors from what I saw
errant mauve
ye
rose thorn
are there humans in commeragh that, arent slaves?
i know taht most xenos live pretty ok- better than awful lives in commorragh
storm jungle
Yep!
Theres a mercenary district with a lot of other alien races/implied ones
but as usual the cyberpunk aspect of commorragh isnt explored much due to the writers being lazy
so most you'll get is High Commorragh drama involving kabals
storm jungle
Yeah and give a look at the lexicanum page of commorragh theres a lot of locations you might find cool/helpful
atomic pelican
They'd have to be some impressive humans to be living in Commoragh itself. Since they're one of the 'chattel' races
The main merc xenos are ones that are sought after for a reason iirc
tender igloo
drukhari and their aesthetics are much better and far more interesting than regular eldar. plus they have more interesting stories about them as well
atomic pelican
Like the Sslyth being durable as hell bodyguardds
Its because Gav writes craftworlders while Andy Chamvers wrotr drukhari
tender igloo
that explains it
rose thorn
drukhari and their aesthetics are much better and far more interesting than regu...
and better models
atomic pelican
The deldar tril legit one of the best xeno books
atomic pelican
CWE base lore is still good but you have to uncover it from the codices, hidden under Gav's bullshit, etc etc
tender igloo
that sad thing is i'm pretty sure gav has written decent stuff, just not about eldar
atomic pelican
Honestly he's written some ok eldar stuff too but it's rare, and his plots are almost laways bad
storm jungle
He makes really good worldbuilding but literally cannot write about the eldar winning anything
atomic pelican
His worldbuilding is pretty good actually, at least imo