#40k-lore-chat
dim totem
yeah
gusty fulcrum
thas why
gusty fulcrum
We dont have shiny alphabet badges
Ya we only ever get written description cuz it gets blown up in the first or first few chapters
smoky mauve
Tanith was known for their lumber right?
gusty fulcrum
Ya cheif exprt was the unique nalwood of their home
Catachan's main exports have been labled as Lumber,Bodies
dim totem
i have another dumbass question
gusty fulcrum
maybe not bodies but yes primarily people
smoky mauve
Catachan's main exports have been labled as Lumber,Bodies
Flexing. Also protein powder probably
gusty fulcrum
i think they also get some medical type shit too but its not enought to count as a true exrt
more some shit to give the mechanicus to study
smoky mauve
I just imagine the catachan diet is like 100 percent keto
smoky mauve
I think its exotic materials to form medicines yeah
smoky mauve
can one get from there to there?
I think that's the current 40k storyline
gusty fulcrum
seriously asking bc i dont rightly know
Very breif unstable warp openings i ebileve
smoky mauve
Trying to find stable crossings
dim totem
so it's not something thats like commonly done?
gusty fulcrum
Baiscly find breaks in the storm and make a push
i think is whats currently implied
with maybe one or 2 realtivly 'stable'routes
smoky mauve
Nice to see the calixis sector still exists and wasnt blown up when FFG lost the license
That was a whole sector of fun there from the dark heresy rpg
gusty fulcrum
ya i ebeilve it got integrated into official lore now
dim totem
FFG?
gusty fulcrum
cuz it wasnt meant to be standealone from teh greater 40k universe after all
dim totem
the calixis sector does seem the most interesting to me
gusty fulcrum
I guess they lost the license in part cuz they got bought up by rival to gw
smoky mauve
It's got some interesting lore behind it. The Harlock legacy, the one stable warp gate that can take them from the calixis halo stares to the galactic south east
The tyrant star
dim totem
ill look that up!
smoky mauve
Even their home brew space marine chapter was cool. Space Scots with power claymores
gusty fulcrum
Ya lotsa great paths to pursue or elborate on
gusty fulcrum
ill look that up!
Ya cuz they leave all teh lore open ended for your adventures to
dim totem
followup question
gusty fulcrum
just enough so you can make theories of your own about what shit is or how it should play out
dim totem
arent the t'au situated int he galactic south east?
gusty fulcrum
They made rules for playing kroot in rogue trader rpg
dim totem
how do they get around and are there any in the calaxis sector
asking because ive been developing an interested in the tau
dim totem
right right
gusty fulcrum
some think they found a hdden gate or rift
aka you as the gm can answer this if you want
dim totem
i feel like the calixis sector has some star wars outer rim vibes to it?
gusty fulcrum
that from some rpg sw lore?
cuz ffg also made a buncha star wars roleplay games as well
so there could be overlap
in ideas
Sadly FFG kinda also shutdown their tabletop rpg department alongside losing the 40k license
so now the mostly just make boardgames that destroy entire forests with how many cardboard peices they got
dim totem
yeah thats not very nice
tbf making miniatures probably isnt the best for the enviroment
i dont know
gusty fulcrum
they are the guys who made the minature starwars space fighter
cant rmemebr the games actaul name
thats also suppose to be a really popular wargame
its basicly star wars battlefleet gothic
dim totem
isnt battlefleet gothic like extremely expensive?
it looks that way to me, never checked
smoky mauve
There we go. The Storm Wardens chapter. Created by FFG for their deathwatch supplement to dark heresy.
dim totem
those look neat
visual pumice
handsome
gusty fulcrum
isnt battlefleet gothic like extremely expensive?
ya dont gotta build the minies for this one
dim totem
and nobody there joke they look like ultramarines please
gusty fulcrum
it was just more comaprison as space naval games
gusty fulcrum
and nobody there joke they look like ultramarines please
nobody knows who theyre parent chapter is for sure but the think it imperial fists if i remeber right
They also get fuckhuge claymores
as part of tehir startting kit
instead of a knife lol
smoky mauve
Yep.
plucky moth
wardens are pretty cool
smoky mauve
It's the best
plucky moth
smoky mauve
Also when I ran my games I always had them as like... the middle ground between dorn and the black templars
gusty fulcrum
They get along well with space wolves
similar honor mentality
honor duals n shit
also like normal humies
smoky mauve
Like somewhere down the line someone got tired of sigismunds shit and said... you keen what you daft bastard? I'm gonna make my own chapter. With bagpipes. And blue face paint. And claymores.
Also they're a fleet based chapter I believe so... they can show up anywhere.
gusty fulcrum
And fuck your shit in with hammer n sheild or big sword
they love getting up in your face
smoky mauve
They get in game bonuses in the rpg for challenging someone to a duel
gusty fulcrum
and will actively seek a worthy opponent on teh battlefield to declare a dual on
lol just as i type itXD @smoky mauve
smoky mauve
gusty fulcrum
Also i dotn think its suppose to be Ultramarine blue so much as Woad
Which is the blue celts would paint themselves in
smoky mauve
I mean, go and challenge a tyranid hive tyrant to a duel. Itll be hilarious
gusty fulcrum
made from a dye made from wood
smoky mauve
Also their librarians are pretty boss and can actually call down storms
gusty fulcrum
And channel ancestral shit too i believe
like ancestral spirits to empower them
or am i thinking of another chapter
might have to crack open my deathwatch book
dim totem
i love that
cloud kindle
There we go. The Storm Wardens chapter. Created by FFG for their deathwatch supp...
but does he have uno
cursive hull
I feel like it should be an ultramarine who got their codex on day one.
odd sparrow
isn't the usual explanation that producing and distributing ammunition is a pain in the ass compared to far fewer batteries
final spruce
That + all the issues about learning about balistics , dry mag switching and how much additionnal weight you end up carrying
vast frigate
plus that GW doesnt give a shit and stole starship troopers
errant mauve
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/pisjd2/lasgun_logistics_or_why_doesnt_...
r/40klore but good š³
cerulean wagon
isn't the usual explanation that producing and distributing ammunition is a pain...
ye but this is laid out in a way even idiots would understand
its a pretty good post tbh
gonna yoink it
vapid tiger
final spruce
Guy actually went and collected WW2 sources
rose thorn
So is it possible for a dreadnaught to join deathwatch? Or is it only when deathwatch members get heavily wounded they become a deathwatch dreadnaught
neat fiber
So I saw the thing in memes about Rylanor and I remembered watching that music thing by stringstorm but not getting it and now reading so he basically broke fulgrim
final spruce
I have heard multiple times about a dread joining the DW after his entombment so I assume they can
cloud kindle
So I saw the thing in memes about Rylanor and I remembered watching that music t...
he lives rent free in fulgrims head
one of his former favoured sons denied him at the height of his "perfection"
vast frigate
Fulgrim knows that hes been beaten by someone much less than his own power.
One of his lessers no less, as when fulgrim wasnt a daemon prince, he wouldve died there, that hurts his ego
Hard
vapid tiger
So is it possible for a dreadnaught to join deathwatch? Or is it only when death...
I think it's the latter?
I don't think a chapter would willingly provide the dw with something as useful as one of their own dreadnoughts that they themselves produced
But at the same time
It's 40k
If you want that to be the case go nuts
vast frigate
They do
Dreadnoughts of dissolved chapters find home in the deathwatch for ezample
The honor for a chapter to provide deathwatch members is enormous, especially dreadnought
gusty fulcrum
Dreadnoughts of dissolved chapters find home in the deathwatch for ezample
So the deathwatch doubles as the dreadnought retirement home?
or more like independt old folks community?
vast frigate
Sort of yes
gusty fulcrum
I just picture the independint lving apartment thing my great granma lived in but imperial gothic
but instead of old people ni walkers shuffling around its dreadnought waddling around with mechnicus just chilling around as the on hand nurses
full tusk
It's be more like the sad, they stick in their rooms type, but then they get another shipment of meds and then everyone's animated for the day.
lofty storm
So... Reading Talon of Horus while listening to Mechanicus soundtrack is a fantastic experience.
This book is already really good. ADB is a really talented writer.
proper helm
Are there any actual threats to the Imperium (besides itself) in a few light years of Terra?
odd sparrow
Are there any actual threats to the Imperium (besides itself) in a few light yea...
iirc someone did write about there being a race of aggressive xenos bugs inhabiting planets concerningly close to terra though i can't recall the name, and there's also a genestealer cult on terra itself
tho the latter doesn't mean a whole lot given there's apparently a cult on every single planet of note in the galaxy
proper helm
they do get around don't they
Yeah they were something like the Quorl or something similar
kinda neat
I am cursing the fact that I went with an IRL star with a possibly habitable planet, since it's 12 light years away from Earth
Wait it could have an ork infestation from the days of The Beast
odd sparrow
Wait it could have an ork infestation from the days of The Beast
yee you def have a lot of leeway with ork infestations
a lot of things just frame keeping orkoid infestations down low as a near universal housekeeping thing
proper helm
perfect PDF tasks
odd sparrow
exactly
just flame down some mushrooms, the occasional grot
save urself on a lot of grief
proper helm
I'm writing a dark heresy game set on a single planet for at least the first few chapters and I'm working on different starting origins in the planet's society for that reason. Having a player be from a PDF that does nothing but strikebreaking isn't the most interesting
odd sparrow
nods
another thing u can do is have the world be warp'd up in some capacity, resulting in a slow intake of mutated creatures to clean up. Or cults in the underhive, there's a few things pdfs can be up to besides oppressing the proletariatā¢ļø
proper helm
oh definitely
Would a pack of gretchen actually pose a real threat to a squad of infantry?
odd sparrow
hey they could always hide behind corners with shanks and stuff
it's a bunch of unusually strong 8 year olds with murderous intent
,, i do think i've mostly seen it written as feral orks vibing in woods and stuff tho, which are a fair bit more threatening. Gotta murk them before they move on from clubs and acquire space lasers
marsh grail
You could have the gretchens and grots build Vietnamese style tunnels on say a farming planet and keep terrorizing the citizens.
That would make them hard to find and rout out.
cursive hull
To my understanding, actually, yes, Gretchen can definitely be a threat.
The issue is that Gretchen tend to be nearly as shit as the larger orkoid at shooting, and they get the worst equipment because they're small.
In theory, they could probably kill a few infantrymen if the Gretchen ambushed them in numbers.
In melee, they could probably deliver fatal injuries but like...
This is presuming the Guardsmen failed bayonet training.
Because memes aside, a lasgun with a bayonet, plus the natural height/reach advantage? A guardsman should have zero trouble stabbing a Gretchen to death.
This only gets worse for the grot/gretchen if said guardsman is an officer and or has some other reason to have a dedicated melee weapon like a chainsword, powersword, or even just a standard sword.
final spruce
Gretchins are a bit better than their bigger cousins at shooting but they are cowards and are the size of a child, they'd avoid melee with guardsmen because those are stronger but would ambush them with guns or even a hidden tank, mek gun or killa kan
cursive hull
Hence why I said "nearly."
They're certainly better.
But their marksmanship leaves something to be desired.
Course, they also get the shit guns too.
Scatterguns, crude pistols and other handguns.
Although, yeah
A Grot-tank or some form of wheeled gun would make them even deadlier.
...That and a Kan would make up for their own shitty melee skills.
final spruce
Gretchins have the advantage of kunning
cursive hull
I don't actually remember, but if my guess is correct, their weaponry is about on par with some of the lower quality guns of human make.
We're talking some seriously crude shit.
final spruce
Yeah its really not great but sometimes the bigger orks let them operate the bigger guns and thats when their better shooting skills really bloom
cursive hull
Yee
final spruce
Which is why meks and gretchins go hand in hand
vast frigate
Id say gretchins get brazilian guns
distant fable
gretchin with the make shift pipe uzi what will he do?
final spruce
Shoot up this whole discord
full tusk
Lose his fingers
vast frigate
both
crisp heath
Gretchin, if theyāre lucky, get to operate some artillery pieces if I recall correctly
vapid tiger
fantasy and aos gobbos/grots are superior to 40k gretchin
i refuse to elaborate
atomic pelican
Probs because fantasy/AoS gobs have their own factions and aren't just orc punting fodder
vapid tiger
correct
tiny nova
You just elaborated
vapid tiger
shit
buoyant crypt
Probs because fantasy/AoS gobs have their own factions and aren't just orc punti...
Some gobs
atomic pelican
I think its also that the fantasy settings play greenskins a bit more seriously.
Esp with Kruleboyz now
proper helm
can Khornate cults actually have subtlety? All I've read is the usual KILL MAIM BURNā¢ļø
cerulean wagon
yes
odd sparrow
you can do whatever u want with khornate cults p much
cerulean wagon
as long as there is blood and/or skulls
odd sparrow
can be UIOSHDS KILL MAIM BURN, can be a more honourable i shall seek out the greatest warriors to defeat >:D vibe, can just be a constant ongoing pub brawl that consumes the underhive
cerulean wagon
Technically medical blood letting could lead to a khorne cult
And ye the duelist things a great one, like the uhhh
warrior lodges in horus heresy books
where its starts as just
dudes chillin
but then slowly theres just something off
odd sparrow
nods i think that's my fav interpretation
cerulean wagon
Cults are the best way to cover chaos cause its slow and insidious and by the time anyone notices its too late to save most of the people affected
and thats terrifying
actually
cerulean wagon
*nods* i think that's my fav interpretation
why are you awake
odd sparrow
i woke up at 4pmish yesterday, i've only just been awake for 11 hours rn
it's healthy!
odd sparrow
sleep pattern disaster gang
proper helm
So uh, if Khorne hates psykers, who's summoning all his daemons?
cerulean wagon
You don't activley need a psyker for demons to happen
they can just sorta happen in the right circumstances, either there needs to be a thinning of the veil or the area needs to have the appropriate stuff to match the specific demon
so like
if a bunch of people were sacrificed in a room over several months they could eventually maybe summon a demon
but demons are very hard to summon
proper helm
Oh so you can go do a bunch of horrible stuff and hope a daemon notices. So is a Khornate Dark Apostle someone that khorne gives mildly more attention than most to?
cerulean wagon
Yeah pretty much
neat fiber
In watchers of the throne the invasion of terra by khorne is literally just done by some cultists commit ritualistic mass slaughter
but like mass mass slaughter
neat fiber
yeah
cerulean wagon
Yeah if you want a mass summoning you need a mass amount
neat fiber
Seeing as how it was described as a cathedral being a home of blood and bone yeah
and the fact we know the scale of 40k cathedrals
proper helm
I might steal a page from Age of Sigmar and give the cult a slaughterpriest (basically a Khorne dark apostle but a mortal since it's AOS)
and 70% less shirt
proper bison
What exactly are the yannari?
neat fiber
What exactly are the yannari?
Basically the eldari settling their differences and uniting under one group/eldari god
proper helm
The ynnari are basically a faction of the Eldar that want to birth a god that they believe will defeat Slaanesh
proper bison
Ok, thanks
proper helm
and they have been able to bridge the different factions of the Eldar, which is really rare since they normally hate each other
proper bison
Interesting
neat fiber
drukhari must be fun
cerulean wagon
They have birthed the new god (the god of death) but their lore kinda died
The guy writing their books did such a bad job the 3rd book in the trilogy got cancelled
proper bison
Ouch
cerulean wagon
yeaaah
atomic pelican
On the good side this means the eldar are at little risk of being absorbed
Gav's failures may have saved us
cerulean wagon
I might steal a page from Age of Sigmar and give the cult a slaughterpriest (bas...
Entirely plausible tbh, theres some very interesting takes on khorne that aren't covered a lot
neat fiber
Theres a uh
cerulean wagon
One of the well known ones being the blood pact, which is the khorne Imperial guard regiments
neat fiber
short story which is part of the mini book for the 2020 black library celebration if you have it
which is a really interesting little khorne thing in aos
I think its called the hunt or the proving or something like that
proper bison
@cerulean wagon oh damn we are in a few of the same servers
cerulean wagon
Oh u recognise my name or somethin?
proper bison
I did, so I checked to see our mutual servers
cerulean wagon
fair enough haha
celest dome
One of the well known ones being the blood pact, which is the khorne Imperial gu...
They even introduced Khornate Psycher (Or is it Sorcerer) with the Blood Pact, the Gore Mage who cause mutations in their infantry to turn them into Blood hound or something
proper helm
You know, I could solve my whole psyker problem without having to introduce Gore Mages outside of the sabbat worlds by having the Khorne cult have a tzeentch psyker nailed to a wall that they bribe with painkillers to do warp stuff for them
errant yacht
They even introduced Khornate Psycher (Or is it Sorcerer) with the Blood Pact, t...
Someone's been playing too much Dawn of War games
celest dome
How so ? They appear outside of the DoW game
cerulean wagon
Someone's been playing too much Dawn of War games
They are also in the sabbat world books
prisma lark
Someone's been playing too much Dawn of War games
heresy, there's no such thing as too much Dawn of War
(DoW3 doesn't exist btw)
errant yacht
IIRC, the dawn of war games were what brought Khornate sorcerers into 40K lore
vapid tiger
gusty fulcrum
IIRC, the dawn of war games were what brought Khornate sorcerers into 40K lore
I mean in theory its possible but more like by binding khornate deamon in rituals to use their demonic energies to perform shenanigans
as one sorcerour did that ina novel i read
Funny enough by pumping the blood of sorcerers through its veins and bound it in chains made from sorcerers tounges
Needless to say Khorne and his deamons find this less then amusing
But you also find out its implied sorcerers blood actually weakens khornate deamons and its just not the ritual itself causing the weakness
rose thorn
im honesly surprised that space wolves are let into deathwatch
considering the months of shame
storm jungle
im honesly surprised that space wolves are let into deathwatch
The month's of shame getting as bad as it did is mostly to blame on the Inquisition and the Inquisitor that wanted to drag it out
it was the Grey Knights in the first place that dubbed the event the Months of Shame in the first place
The Space Wolves have ongoing friction with the Inquisition, and have been known to send less-than-veterans as part of their tithe - in one particular example it was because a Wolf Lord didn't like a particular Blood Claw (young marine) and basically sent him off to die in the Deathwatch (this didn't work and the Blood Claw has been thriving in the Watch). But overall SW-DW relations are generally good (it's the Inquisitors that the Wolves have the most beef with), and SWs make for great squadmates in a Kill Team
smoky mauve
I still remember my kill team rune priest with the wolf helmet, force axe and plasma pistol singing dirges as he plowed through hordes of tyranids inside a hive ship with a archaeo tech nuke strapped to his back in a last ditch effort to kill the resident hive mind.
cloud kindle
rad lad
vapid tiger
im honesly surprised that space wolves are let into deathwatch
Being a first founding chapter gets you a lot of political leeway
tiny nova
Variance in opinions can be very useful in tactical situations so long as orders can still be followed
And think of a spacewolf as a frat bro, if he's alone with no other frat bros around him eventually he'll chill out. The SW mindset grows because that's all they're surrounded by
rose thorn
So, deathwatch are allowed to just keep and use xeno tech?
Like I know the necromancy sword and stuff, but if a deathwatch finds a tau weapon he likes, he can just, get it purity sealed and keep it
vast frigate
Yep
they are allowed to keep the items
Tldr; they are blessed and integrated/adjusted accordingly for imperial use
then they are blessed a few times over to properly awaken its new/imperial accepted machine spirit, appease it and then its good for use
vast frigate
good luck
rose thorn
Iād like to kitbash one of them with a tau weapon or something but I canāt really find a good bit provider in the us
Besides like
Ebay
odd sparrow
u should be able to find smthn on ebay, i'd imagine pulse rifles/whatever are common
what i'd personally do is take an ion rifle and counts-as it as a plasma gun, given they're basically identical anyways + right sorta size for marines
they bigā¢ļø
odd sparrow
i- assume that powers it or smthn?
maybe they extract ions from a particular hazardous material idk
weak fern
Cold down maybe ?
cursive hull
That'd be one weird heat sink
odd sparrow
T'au Ion Weapon designs also allow for the weapons to be overcharged by exposing the reactive Mor'tonium power source to the environment, though this also exposes the user to the dangerous ionising radiation emitted by the Mor'tonium, and to the risks of overloading the primary power cells to hazardous energy levels.
ye so it's a hazardous material that powers the gun, u can expose it if u value higher armour piercing potential and a shorter lifespan
cursive hull
...That doesn't really make sense to me.
If it works on radiation, leaving the container open would make it less radioactive, not more.
Presuming that, when shut, the container causes the element to go critical.
Like the Demon core criticality excursion.
Course
I'm not a real nuclear physicist, and this is fiction anyway.
odd sparrow
im just happy that ion rifle tech is derived from the demiurg
superior 40k space dwarves
cursive hull
... I wonder what the little thing on the end of the barrel is for.
cerulean wagon
IIts not the radiation itself that its harnessing
radiations a biproduct, its the cores reaction with air they are attempting to use
probably something similair to those crazy alkali metals
odd sparrow
yee that's what i figured
i assume it's like, idk, it creates a significant amount of energy/whatever in reaction with extremely controlled doses of some substance it reacts with, or u can just rawdog it by letting it react with the air outright
cursive hull
Shrug
odd sparrow
... I wonder what the little thing on the end of the barrel is for.
maybe a laser sight or smthn? can't be a markerlight, they only stick those on pulse carbines
whichever way, pathfinder special weapons my beloved
i'd fuck a railgun
cursive hull
š³
cerulean wagon
I think the underbarrel is a charge dissipater
cursive hull
A laser would kinda make sense I suppose. Aside from perhaps linking with their helmet, there doesn't seem to be a way to aim that thing. Also could be.
cerulean wagon
its like a lightning rod for any excess charge left in the rifle after firing
which would work considering how ionizing it would be tbh
odd sparrow
the thing i'm always just wondering is wtf these things are
cerulean wagon
tau power cell i believe?
odd sparrow
i remember something stating they were like, pulse accelerators or smthn? but u see them on absolutely everything
cerulean wagon
or some onboard power circuit
odd sparrow
maybe idk, im sure there's a diagram somewhere
cerulean wagon
they have it on all their energy weapons
odd sparrow
yee
cerulean wagon
Funnily enough think i mentioned im using tau for an only war campaign on thursdays atm
so this is the sorta details ive been rummaging around for haha
time to check if they already have the exposed core rules, and if not time to homebrew some radiation sickness
odd sparrow
nods
they're a super fun weapon on tt too, if only cus im a slut for the plasma gun style rules
the sheer tension when rolling the dice odshg
cerulean wagon
uhh kinda
cursive hull
Best case scenario, it just jams or breaks.
cerulean wagon
Maximal adds 10m to the range, 1d10 to the damage, 2 to the pen and 2 to the blast quality
weak fern
Volkite is fun too
frosty cobalt
the thing i'm always just wondering is wtf these things are
Always thought they were like safety things, considering tau tech is said to be much safe in most aspects
Some sort of valve or regulator
cursive hull
I mean, given their standard pulse rifle is in of itself plasma tech, right?
I'd say its far, far safer.
cerulean wagon
Most of their stuff is safer
It got a lot less safer after first contact with the imperium and they sorta went "oh fuck"
weak fern
I was more Harder daddy
cerulean wagon
So they have some pieces of equipment similar to the plasma gun
odd sparrow
Yee p much
hence why we're out here with riptide suits killing their pilots over time
sure it kills the pilot but so also we've got leman russ tanks we need to blow up so
cerulean wagon
Yup
frosty cobalt
nova reactor goes bzzzzzt
cerulean wagon
Also theres a lot of terrifying stuff about battlesuits people just
never discuss
like imagine being trapped in a powered down suit, or crash landing a stealth suit
sure the suit will be fine
but also the like, 1 ton metal block that just landed is probably going to slap your shit about
cursive hull
Pretty much.
At least its not like Battletech Mech hazards.
...Although, given how 40k works, T'au mech pilots cooking themselves by overheating their mech in battle is probably not out of the question.
cerulean wagon
I mean ye
tiny nova
atleast none of their guns get hot on the table on accident
cerulean wagon
we just mentioned the nova core
which just leaks radiation directly into the cockpit to activate some of its more potent stuff
cursive hull
Oh, so basically, yeah, Battletech hazards, lol.
cerulean wagon
yup
odd sparrow
it is generally written that battlesuits are designed to prioritise pilot safety over battlesuit integrity
like, think crump zones for cars
odd sparrow
like imagine being trapped in a powered down suit, or crash landing a stealth su...
tho like,, yeah honestly not enough is written about this kind of vibe
cursive hull
That or like safe ammo stowage on tanks.
Blowout panels and the like.
tiny nova
I can't think of any factions other than tau that would leave a battlesuit out there, orks would loot it, admech would munch it and everyone else would probably just blow it up
cursive hull
(Read: If the ammo cooks off, specially built panels blow out up and away from the vehicle to release the energy safely, away from the crew compartment.)
cerulean wagon
Basically tau lore for their vehicles is in this weird inbetween
where its still written as if its pre-crusade and therefor perfectly safe with no issues
which we now know to be a lie
guess we could say its written as propaganda but i think its just writers forgetting
cursive hull
I'm sure its partially just the reality of the situation. Sure, the tech should in theory be safe, but older models might fail, newer models might have bugs that need to get worked out, etc.
That, and something out in the field will likely never function the same as if it was sent back to the factory for tune ups after every battle.
cerulean wagon
Its a mix of minor issues and standard issue military stuff
"this weapon is safe" you tell the man loading the davy crocket
cerulean wagon
it also makes sense for them to say its safe when their entire belief revolves around "we are all equal and all lives are treated the same under our banner"
the minor issues can be glossed over, then by the time someone is piloting a riptide they are willingly volunteering to vent radiation into the cockpit
cursive hull
Or the one where the pilot's head is exposed for some reason.
I feel like that's some serious sniper bait.
cerulean wagon
100%
tiny nova
when you think about it though, often times they're paired with shield drones
odd sparrow
when you think about it though, often times they're paired with shield drones
plus the stormsurge in particular is meant to be like, miles behind the frontlines. it's walking artillery basically
but it's still janky af
frosty cobalt
Also theres a lot of terrifying stuff about battlesuits people just
Did you know that pilots who have been in a suit so long will experience ghost feelings, and will start feeling pain when the suit takes dmg. Retired pilots have been known to walk of high edges, forgetting that they cant fly anymore
atomic pelican
I cry
Theres so much tau lore thats Feels
The sniper drone snippet still gets me
cursive hull
??
atomic pelican
Sniper drones will hover for days around their operator if they die
Still protecting them
odd sparrow
Drones deserve all the pats
grand minnow
Never got into tau lore, but saying "for the greater good" sounds lioe fun roleplaying
cloud kindle
eternal ledge
Got to love that even the writers are in on the joke.
https://twitter.com/adembskibowden/status/1437793679175995409?s=09
storm jungle
Tbh its not even a joke
Magnus and Leman are both dumbasses
That and the Emperor could have literally done any other alternative on the Nikea Council to make sure Magnus doesnt become a salty-boi but the Heresy has to happen somehow so its just lazy writing
eternal ledge
Or any of the traitor primarchs
Except Lorgar, no saving his sorry ass.
Angron - save a few civilians
Perturobo - just let him build some stuff
frigid mesa
ok, what if clone fulgrim escaped Trazyn prison? consequences ?
eternal ledge
What if is a VEEEEEERY deep rabbit hole
visual pumice
he's probably get shot and killed of someone
eternal ledge
What's even sadder is I recently finished A Thousand Sons and Magnus thinking he has a chance at Nikea to make his case but loses and in Prospero Burns that he was never going to win
Full on the decision was made before Magnus even arrived
keen nova
Do Chapters have favorite guard regiments? It would be funny to see two space marines debating which regiment is better.
final spruce
Maybe for the space marines that do aknowledge humans and are deployed alongside them.
Like Imperial Fists
marsh grail
I canāt help but think black Templars would respect the death korps.
vast frigate
space marines are without doubt, extremely cocky
there are definitely groups like the Fists, Salamanders etc, who appreciate them howevber
cerulean wagon
I canāt help but think black Templars would respect the death korps.
Depends on which interpretation of the DKoK. If its the suicidal ones? definetly not, thats a waste of the emperors resources
Your life is a gift from the emporer, spend it well
supple plume
Since when is sacrifice counted as suicide , dkok never kill themselves, they always get killed so technically suicide rates are higher among other regiments 
proper helm
visual pumice
christ
cerulean wagon
Since when is sacrifice counted as suicide , dkok never kill themselves, they a...
Their recent writing has them literally stepping on land mines to disarm them. It got escalated from "fanatical to the point of singleminded obedience" to "hee hoo we want to die because we deserve it"
supple plume
Their recent writing has them literally stepping on land mines to disarm them. I...
so siege of vraks was recent ?? . one story is the summary of the entire regiment... That makes them whatever, that asshat wrote them to be .
It's a ww1 perspective put in a 40k jacket, yea single-minded obedience over voluntarily suicidal tendency
Also dkok memes are poison. God I hate em
Ah I'll stick to my version, the rest be damned
š
vapid tiger
Their recent writing has them literally stepping on land mines to disarm them. I...
Is this from the new kill team book
Because it wouldn't surprise me if it was
What happens is that as gw hires new writers, those writers end up being fans or learning from fans
And then bring fan ideas into the official material
odd sparrow
at least the killteam trailer was good and didn't play into the memes
storm jungle
It kinda did
Im pretty sure everyone here remembers GW's shovel edit 
because people bitched about them not being in the kit when the stream itself showed it did
odd sparrow
oh yeah that was a thingā¢ļø
i approve of the deception insofar as it's targeting krieg stans
cerulean wagon
so siege of vraks was recent ?? . one story is the summary of the entire regim...
like i said, depends on the interpretation
slow prawn
Im pretty sure everyone here remembers GW's shovel edit <:KEK:646309782579445770...
Buuuuut Dilara! Krieg donāt use shovels except for trenches! Otherwise theyāre Cadians! Also hur hur Eldar are dumb
storm jungle
visual pumice
errant yacht
As far as guard regiments go, I've always been more fond of the Vostroyan Firstborns
I guess I like the idea of badass noblemen with their hand-crafted guns and melee weapons.
keen nova
I guess I like the idea of badass noblemen with their hand-crafted guns and mele...
"Yeah I have exquisite taste, how could you tell?"
Literally
Literally literally
Inflection doesn't come very well through text. I'm saying I agree with you and that you have good taste
keen nova
Buuuuut Dilara! Krieg donāt use shovels except for trenches! Otherwise theyāre...
Rip Eldar dreams. I bought my first 40k books earlier this year, couldn't find anything on the eldar but I got some good guard books!
keen nova
at least the killteam trailer was good and didn't play into the memes
Wrong person lol
@cerulean wagon This is for ya š
slow prawn
Hey good for you! I was just mimicking the attitude of an annoying former user on here who would bring up his diastase for the Eldar at any moment
cerulean wagon
that about sums up the krieg community ye
keen nova
that about sums up the krieg community ye
Sucks, I would hate to see everything associated with my favorite regiment become so...what's the word....
keen nova
Hey good for you! I was just mimicking the attitude of an annoying former user ...
Bricky??? š³
Jk, I love his content
keen nova
Buuuuut Dilara! Krieg donāt use shovels except for trenches! Otherwise theyāre...
Wait I don't get the Krieg part
slow prawn
Let me DM you
atomic pelican
bricky is cool but adridi is pretty bad for actual information
If it'sxeno related atleast
I'm p sure bricky still thinks drukhari directly serveslaanesh
the podcast is essentially "man with no facts talkswith man with half the facts"
vapid tiger
Five years ago, I liked krieg
They were moderately popular within the community but only amongst fans who were a bit more into things and wanted an army with a darker than usual background and ww1 aesthetic
And then the memes came later
Much later
and all was ruined
I want to say it was like
3 or 4 years ago when that started
During 8th ed
40k has had an explosion in popularity online since 8th so I blame that and just
Badly made memes
in a horrible combination
what's fucking weird about 40k is that it's clearly more popular than its ever been but it's like
Despite gw moving things forward and whatnot, the status quo when it comes to actual releases and the general setting is mostly unchanged and stagnant to the point of being outright annoying
atomic pelican
Mildly tempted to poison myself and do a lore channel from various Xeno POVs, in a sort ofOculus fashion where it's influff
vapid tiger
Which is (almost) the exact state 8th ed fantasy was in, but 8th ed fantasy was basically dead weight
40k meanwhile is still wildly popular enough to where new releases regularly sell out within days or even hours
storm jungle
the podcast is essentially "man with no facts talkswith man with half the facts"
God I legit couldnt get through his eldar video
storm jungle
i like him but he should just not do lore vids on faction he doesnt have any interest in or knows nothing about
storm jungle
Yeee
atomic pelican
I dont rlly want to watch his GSC video unless he got uhh
magikarp todo it with him
Since karp is the nid player
i think
storm jungle
And like keeps making that repetitive joke of "lmao these names i cant spell them"
storm jungle
I dont rlly want to watch his GSC video unless he got uhh
Im 40 minutes in and its pretty good for the most part
atomic pelican
Have they done a tau video yet?
storm jungle
Yeee
a long while ago
he actually defended them a lot too and it was really good
with eldar i think he just doesnt get what they're about and just sees them as the "elf race thing"
slow prawn
Iām just waiting for the eventual Dark Angels video
storm jungle
OH
atomic pelican
bricky has guardplayer brain
vapid tiger
And basically repeating the in-universe imperial stance on them
vapid tiger
Oh
atomic pelican
yeah we are talking abtbricky
storm jungle
LMAO NAH
atomic pelican
Nah I just mentioed him
storm jungle
ITS FINE SON
atomic pelican
I'm going to see about getting a stand mic and such
god
I have to fucking finish gav quest first.
vapid tiger
Who the fuck is bricky
atomic pelican
I have to finish gavquest because I refuse to be the wiki readerā¢ļø
vapid tiger
Who is adridi
storm jungle
Ngl I actually wish we got an a channel that makes it clear they do read-throughs of codices and such
vapid tiger
Who are these people
atomic pelican
Bricky is the main host of Adeptus Ridiculous and a general gamer youtuber
He's p good
storm jungle
Yeee
His first contact with 40k stuff was a 2 Part 40k Explained vid
he got a shit ton of views
and realised he could milk this a lot
vapid tiger
Ngl I actually wish we got an a channel that makes it clear they do read-through...
I've always been tempted to do a 40k channel that actually analyzes the material as fiction and doesn't just regurgitate idiot background and never consider that none of it is real
atomic pelican
yee
storm jungle
this tbh
storm jungle
this tbh 2x
vapid tiger
So I can be hard to understand
storm jungle
minus the drawl
vapid tiger
Three
I have a job that involves public speaking
So if anyone heard my voice on this channel who hears me speak on a regular basis
ohhhhh boyyyy
storm jungle
its fiiiiiiiine
vapid tiger
I'm a teacher btw so like
High schoolers are the ones mainly watching warhammer videos probably
So
the chances of that are weirdly high if i did that
If one of them recognized it I'd deny it ofc
But still
But yeah I've been tempted to do that for years now simply because like
40k youtubers and especially loretubers outside of a few of them just
Some of them are still alright but they're nerds
Most nerds are dumb
They don't analyze what they consume
So loretubers just regurgitate codices and modern fluff without ever going
"Okay but is this good writing or is it just A LOT OF writing"
Or
"Okay but how does this modern lore compare to previous lore how did we get here what's the evolution of this piece of media we enjoy"
"What views of the authors are reflected in the text"
"Have we regressed or evolved since 1987 regarding this thing we like?"
frosty cobalt
yea cross reffing and checking lore would be great
frigid mesa
some "Try" to make funny videos like majorkill
vapid tiger
Because 40k is pulp yes but it's popular and influential pulp
frigid mesa
or some are just 40k news like valrak or like some say "SHILLrak"
vapid tiger
Even though it would be considered downright plagarism if it was invented today
What with modern copyright law
But yeah I think there's a lot to be said about 40k outside of fanboying about primarchs and boltguns and describing how exactly inconceivable plasma weapons would work and going on unhinged rants about how tau are worse than the imperium because "you have free will in the imperium"
(cough luetin cough)
why doesn't someone look at the modern deathwatch codex for 9th ed and say
"Okay so there's text here saying the deathwatch are unequivocally right and that xenos are all scumbags who deserve to be killed, but we also have artwork of them using eldar heads to create anti-psyker weapons and whatnot, hm"
tiny nova
Well how else are you gonna use an eldars anti psyker capabilities?
frosty cobalt
the biggest problem 40k has is that its written by humans
vast frigate
"Okay so there's text here saying the deathwatch are unequivocally right and tha...
thats literally the idea
like
the irony is baked deep into the imperium
thats the point
frosty cobalt
the irony is baked deep into the imperium
problem is no one gets the irony
vast frigate
they dont want it to be
vapid tiger
also no one has challenged that "writing in codices that portrays the imperium as unequivocally right and noble is actually in-universe propaganda" is a fan excuse that has hardly ever actually been the case when it comes to the worst examples of this sort of writing but it pervades the online sphere as this dominant idea to excuse really weird and questionable writing
vast frigate
''The eldar is serving eternal suffering because hes a dirty xeno! THATS WHY ITS GOOD!''
storm jungle
problem is no one gets the irony
Trust me Cry, turning innocent people into lobotimized cyborg slaves is not satire at all.
vast frigate
no... the joke is that they have to use their worst enemies and possibly closests eventual allies
yeah that too dilara
lmao
frosty cobalt
Trust me Cry, turning innocent people into lobotimized cyborg slaves is not sati...
oh you read the ||sex servitor 40k lore post too||
vapid tiger
the irony is baked deep into the imperium
Ah, but the modern writers barely touch on the irony
It's baked into the foundations but gw is seemingly oblivious to it
storm jungle
oh you read the ||sex servitor 40k lore post too||
LMAO PLEASE NO
peak hamlet
40k stopped beeing satire a long time ago
vast frigate
i had someone try to tell me actually, that the mechanicus are ironic when it comes to servitors
like
how
THERE ARE LITERAL POSTS
storm jungle
Its just not as on the nose anymore
vast frigate
LITERAL PIECES OF LORE
THAT SAY PEOPLE THRASH IN THEIR RESTRAINTS
AS A PRIEST MUSHES THEIR BRAINS
storm jungle
like the entire reason the imperium is catholic is because the guys that made it at the time didnt like the actual church and the way it handled things in the UK lol
vast frigate
HOW IS THAT IRONY
storm jungle
Also IRL: An entire city riots because some guy moved a ladder from a religious building's window
vast frigate
Yes
vapid tiger
It's a case of 40k being satirical in its foundations but gw basically trying its best to steer it away from satire because that's not as marketable presumably, which is the broad trend
But then you also have individual writers who can vary wildly on their stance on this
tiny nova
I don't watch lore videos I read books because I am an adult!!!!!!!
storm jungle
But yeah 40k is still satire, just not that obvious anymore.
vapid tiger
Some will still write 40k as being largely satirical
storm jungle
It's a case of 40k being satirical in its foundations but gw basically trying it...
Also this too
same reason why nobody says "fuck" in-universe
40k all jokes aside is still technically a kids game
vapid tiger
Others will write stories about how arbites should totally kill all refugees because some of them might be genestealers
storm jungle
because thats where the real money is at 
vapid tiger
And proceed to post really fucking weird tory shit on facebook and stay hired
vapid tiger
40k all jokes aside is still technically a kids game
What's really weird imo
vast frigate
anything is a kids game
cause games arent accepted as adult mediums
Untill i break out the handcuffs and pnuematic drill.
frosty cobalt
Others will write stories about how arbites should totally kill all refugees bec...
you could write this really well, but i could see how bad it could be done too, i had it as an idea in my tau story
vapid tiger
Is that it was always aimed at teens and children primarily, despite the blood and gore
It's edgy kids' media
But it was also a lot more satirical earlier on
vapid tiger
you could write this really well, but i could see how bad it could be done too, ...
I'm referencing a warcom story
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much
frosty cobalt
ah
vapid tiger
The weird tory shit is real
storm jungle
but the gore/explicitness thing is more of a society thing in general
vapid tiger
It's on the writer's facebook
storm jungle
aka exposed boob bad but man getting gutted is fine
vast frigate
i see 40k the same as uh, the taboo we had on comics
storm jungle
but thats just my 2 cents on it
vast frigate
it touches on a lot of stuff acceptable by modern standards
storm jungle
vast frigate
but thats about it
if we all accepted sex more as a thing that exists
theyd write it in
vapid tiger
Comics have almost seemed to go in the reverse weirdly enough
frosty cobalt
but the gore/explicitness thing is more of a society thing in general
cant have people enjoying other bodies when u want them all to fight
vapid tiger
Sort of
As a broad look
BUT
They were a lot edgier in the 80s and 90s than they are now
vast frigate
let me show you how disjointed the media is thoi
vapid tiger
But much more "toned down" before the 80s for the most part
vast frigate
This is how badly connected the media is to the normal population
this includes journalists and anchors
vapid tiger
But the silver age was more toned down than the original golden age
frosty cobalt
i just want gulliman doing something atrocious that he totally believes is correct, and might even be "correct" in the eyes of the imperium
tiny nova
i just want gulliman doing something atrocious that he totally believes is corre...
Putting ketchup on a hotdog
frosty cobalt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396731952503193602/887778388138401812/E_S...
first image is actually true, second image is from a site called distractify so i think they are doing their job lmao
frosty cobalt
Putting ketchup on a hotdog
yes but also a pogrom or a purge that he sanctions
frosty cobalt
do you know whats wrong with the image
im assuming the second post is a porn sc
vapid tiger
do you know whats wrong with the image
It's clickbait
vast frigate
If i were to tell you that she just moves up and down, and youre at a POV angle already
and that that image has been used by twitter journalists as usual
frosty cobalt
lol
vast frigate
because they are as dumb as they fucking get
frosty cobalt
if people are that dumb, we need to make the satire in 40k VERY evident
vapid tiger
if people are that dumb, we need to make the satire in 40k VERY evident
This is actually something I've brought up to people
And is worthy of discussing
Again
No 40k community figures talk about this sort of thing
frosty cobalt
yea reading comprehension of the internet populace is subpar
vast frigate
Its not the reading comprehension
people dont want to read
TLDR is a major issue because people accept it as a valid argument
i see it all the time during DND campaigns, people just CHOOSE to skim over stuff
''ill get it if i do it like this''
vapid tiger
Like
For a while I thought "okay well satire in 40k doesn't need to be made more evident that's dumbing it down and people just aren't reading the codices peepeepoopoo"
And then I read more codices.
And more
And then I got my hands on a 1987 1st ed core book
errant mauve
I remember reading the 3rd edition codices, a lot more satire than what certain people will tell you
vapid tiger
And had internet discussions all the while and observed them
And now I understand that the issue is way more complex
frosty cobalt
the one thing GW needs to stomp out is the "imperium is the good guys sometimes"
errant mauve
"Ragnar Blackmane earned his ascension to Wolf Lord (I think that's the name?) by slaying 3 World Eaters terminators in close combat alone. It is likely however, that this is entirely fictious."
vapid tiger
Than just "the satire is there, people just aren't reading the material"
It's also people misreading the material, and many of those people work at games workshop
storm jungle
if people are that dumb, we need to make the satire in 40k VERY evident
Dude, you should see the opening text of the latest necromunda book
vapid tiger
And throughout the course of several editions things change to the point that like
storm jungle
WHERE THE PLANETARY GOVERNOR CONGRADULATES THE POPULACE ON A REALLY HIGH NUMBER OF GANG VIOLENCE
errant mauve
then again, I don't really see this guy beating anyone in close combat
his little cleats are stuck to the ground
peak hamlet
then again, I don't really see this guy beating *anyone* in close combat
Damn hes not going to beat anyone with those short arms
errant mauve
that's why he has his Kraken Tooth Blade Extendo-grip
peak hamlet
Also love how not even the eavy metal paintjob could save this sculpt
frosty cobalt
i always feel better about my art when i see an old sculpt
errant mauve
The sculpt is right in the sweet spot of "fuck that's goofy" and "This would probably really cool in the art"
tiny nova
As with all long running media there are evolutions as time goes on, to expect something to stay the same from the 80s-90s isn't realistic. The biggest issue for 40k is the fandom that reads only the surface level of matters, there is good and bad in the imperium (Gaunt books as an example) but these cases are the exception that makes the rule. Cain is fun and cool but most other commissars drool, and this is able to be seen if you actually read the content instead of watching "top 10 worst jobs in a hive city" videos
peak hamlet
Old minis litarally got that exact pose with few exceptions
frosty cobalt
The sculpt is right in the sweet spot of "fuck that's goofy" and "This would pro...
he has six wolves on him, is that the proper tactical amount?
vapid tiger
You can read the 1st ed rulebook's fluff as this satirical piece of commentary that's also intended to be this whimsical world that makes for a good backdrop for a tabletop wargame
And then the 9th ed 40k core book's fluff can VERY EASILY be read as EITHER very timid satire with a lot more of it under the surface or a very simplistic "okay so space fascism is the only way to survive, we will not in any way give a less informed reader some way to tell that this is not a good thing aside from everything being very dark and edgy"
And problem with that is that uh
Nerds
Specifically gamers
errant mauve
"Wolf-brothers, help me! It appears I have gotten my wolf-spikes on my wolf-cleats stuck to the archi-wolf-ture! Grab the Wolf-forklift!
vapid tiger
So most warhammer players
Your primary consumers for 40k
They tend to lack critical thinking skills
peak hamlet
Ur on a 40k discord yo
vapid tiger
And read everything with a straight face
vapid tiger
Ur on a 40k discord yo
yes.
errant mauve
he has six wolves on him, is that the proper tactical amount?
the less it looks like you can move, the more tactical you are
tiny nova
I say blame the education system that teaches memorization over learning
storm jungle
They tend to lack critical thinking skills
I think we've seen extensive examples of that in this server
storm jungle
"What do you mean the people attached to gravity platforms during parades as torture isnt a good thing to do"
errant mauve
Mildly tempted to poison myself and do a lore channel from various Xeno POVs, in...
I will donate to your patreon
storm jungle
no
vapid tiger
Specifically skyrim fans
storm jungle
STOP THIS MAN
vapid tiger
Ulfric Stormcloak
storm jungle
aAAA
frosty cobalt
LMAO
vapid tiger
that's all i have to say
storm jungle
tho tbh with skyrim its not even a debate
keen nova
God I legit couldnt get through his eldar video
I was really sad when that video came out because I expected better
storm jungle
Stormcloaks have the right idea for the wrong reasons
vapid tiger
and you'll probably see what I'm talking abiut
storm jungle
Empire is playing the game right
tiny nova
"What do you mean the people attached to gravity platforms during parades as tor...
It may not be good, but it is radical!
storm jungle
And the elves are just comically evil
keen nova
and sometimes Luetin when he gets salty about tau
really?
storm jungle
thats it
vapid tiger
tho tbh with skyrim its not even a debate
But despite this being very clearly spelled out by bethesda
atomic pelican
luetin salt
errant mauve
40k used to be blatant satire that shifted into a more interpretive text and that proceeded to downslide into John French somehow getting a gig as the Loremaster
vapid tiger
Several fans will still just regurgitate everything ulfric stormcloak says
errant mauve
The timeline I will always follow
storm jungle
is that the guy with the scat fetish for the imperial fists
errant mauve
is that the guy with the scat fetish for the imperial fists
no that's Ian Watson
storm jungle
oof
frosty cobalt
Mildly tempted to poison myself and do a lore channel from various Xeno POVs, in...
you do the eldar philosopher poet, ill do the tau biologist
atomic pelican
pog
peak hamlet
Who even is that cloak dude?
atomic pelican
Honestly It'dbe neat
vapid tiger
Because that's what the video game man said
peak hamlet
is that the guy with the scat fetish for the imperial fists
Pardon
errant mauve
John French is just a really biased writer for Black Library/FW that succeeded Alan Bligh as loremaster and has been doing a horrible job
tiny nova
popfiltertoo
aka sock
atomic pelican
professional grade hanes
errant mauve
Muh 50+ Justaerin losing to 12 Cenobites!!!!
vapid tiger
So like
As a result of this
When dealing with the core audience of gamers
You kind of HAVE TO make anything like satire really really really obvious and in their face
keen nova
This is going way to fast for me lol, but I like it. Why does't lutin get salty about the Tau?
vapid tiger
In order for them to get it
storm jungle
This is going way to fast for me lol, but I like it. Why does't lutin get salty...
What Proud said, with a mix of tabletop salt i think
atomic pelican
Yeah
tiny nova
Satire doesn't translate well for ESL and people who don't read the full sentence
atomic pelican
Someone got tabled once in 8e by fish of fury and never got over it
storm jungle
the guy went as far as decorating the base of his ultramarines with tau skulls
frosty cobalt
spite fuels my fusion reactor
vapid tiger
That is, if modern 40k is still satire at all
Which is also complex
40k from a meta standpoint is much more interesting than it is from an actual "lore" standpoint
frosty cobalt
Someone got tabled once in 8e by fish of fury and never got over it
fof wansnt in 8th, i thought it was fixed 6-7th
atomic pelican
Ah im not sure
atomic pelican
Yee there ya go
frosty cobalt
yea
storm jungle
That is, if modern 40k is still satire at all
Which is also complex
40k from a...
As long as the Imperium exists 40k will still always be satire
frosty cobalt
i want even around as a tau player then lmao
atomic pelican
I'm not sure why tau get all the tt hate leftover but most eldar salting is just softbrain memes
storm jungle
they are the entire parody of what the worst regime imaginable can be like
keen nova
So just tabletop stuff?
atomic pelican
considering eldar 8e hit modifiers wereprobably worse
vapid tiger
As long as the Imperium exists 40k will still always be satire
I think that's true but also not true
vast frigate
guys
storm jungle
It is imo
tiny nova
Otherwise you are just making neonazis
atomic pelican
It's hard to explain. It started with tabletop stuff, then cycled into the 40k meme cycle
atomic pelican
Which regurgitated thetrash
errant mauve
Be me
6th ed
Play ranged CSM
fishoffury.jpg
Obliterated in 2 turns
Tell my opponent his army is lovely and wish him a good tournament because I am not a manchild who morally relates to 40k factions
vapid tiger
See stuff like this is why I'd like to make a youtube channel that actually discusses this but uh
Holy shit I would be bombarded
storm jungle
See stuff like this is why I'd like to make a youtube channel that actually disc...
hErEsY
YES Ä°NQUISITOR THIS GUY RIGHT HERE
vapid tiger
Like
If I dared to mention that the modern horus heresy is the worst thing that has probably happened to 40k's fluff ever
errant mauve
exterminatus!
vapid tiger
People would get
frosty cobalt
So just tabletop stuff?
a lot is tabletop, with plenty of anti-communist memes + SM are best at everything circle jerking
vapid tiger
Very upset
storm jungle
Also nah they wouldnt
storm jungle
Alfabusa himself did it on a 2nd channel
vapid tiger
Are you sure
atomic pelican
I hope Tau 9e codex is super oppressive
tiny nova
Idk when I shit on HH it gets reactions, easy reactions
atomic pelican
january hype
errant mauve
I have 7000+ plus points worth of Heresy stuff but the Horus Heresy was a mistake in the long run
vapid tiger
Are you talking about his inq28 video or did he criticize the horus heresy novels
storm jungle
Yeee that one
errant mauve
People fail to understand you can both enjoy something but also see the faults.
storm jungle
^
keen nova
a lot is tabletop, with plenty of anti-communist memes + SM are best at everythi...
My favorite army would have to be the Guard, I thought they would be the most salty with the blue bois?
storm jungle
I hate GW but like 40k
frosty cobalt
I hope Tau 9e codex is super oppressive
gimmy 3d6 railcannons plz
atomic pelican
smh you're not a real fan you critiqued muh epic fictional setting
vapid tiger
I think alan bligh's game was a good idea
I think the novels were a mistake and that gw should've stuck to their original plan of just doing 10 or so horus heresy novels
errant mauve
Main thing imo is that Heresy, the Imperial Armours, and Forgeworld overall pretty much was entirely centered around Bligh, who could keep a level head and understood the importance of setting narrative over story.
atomic pelican
whorsus heresussy
errant mauve
Then Alan unfortunately passed in 2016 and it's been downhill ever since
keen nova
whorsus heresussy
Shut up,Shut up,Shut up,Shut up,Shut up,Shut up,Shut up.
atomic pelican
50 books of filler vs the fewexisting amazing non-mehren books
storm jungle
vapid tiger
It's like the clone wars tv show if the clone wars was like
A bizarro clone wars
That's exactly it
vapid tiger
Bizarro clone wars
frosty cobalt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/850811155386859580/unk...
i actually didnt know this thats fuckin hilarious
vapid tiger
In that fucking
keen nova
Then Alan unfortunately passed in 2016 and it's been downhill ever since
was he keeping it all together?
vapid tiger
The clone wars FIXED a lot of issues with the prequel films (doesn't change that they're not great movies but it does salvage them very well)
keen nova
The clone wars FIXED a lot of issues with the prequel films (doesn't change that...
Agreed!
storm jungle
The fact that its universally loved tells a lot
errant mauve
was he keeping it all together?
He and Warwick Kinrade were the heart, soul, and brains of the Imperial Armours, and Bligh pretty much was the foundation for the entire basis of the original heresy.
vapid tiger
Not originally
tiny nova
Ngl there are some episodes in CW that gotta be skipped but overall it's a net positive for SW
errant mauve
Kinrade I think left in 2011, while working on the first heresy book with Bligh
Bligh passed in 2016 after releasing the 3rd or 4th black book
since then...
frosty cobalt
He and Warwick Kinrade were the heart, soul, and brains of the Imperial Armours,...
ohh so thats why the taros campaign is good huh
vapid tiger
The fact that its universally loved tells a lot
I blame this on coping when it comes to the hardcore fans who have read 80+ books about the hh
And otherwise blame this on people trusting these hardcore fans who are in cope mode
storm jungle
Bligh passed in 2016 after releasing the 3rd or 4th black book
And all he got was a stupid and short "RIP" message on the Warhammer Community page
atomic pelican
writes shitty filler books
fans eat it up
have to defend it so they don't have to admit they read 50+shitty books
trolled
keen nova
a lot is tabletop, with plenty of anti-communist memes + SM are best at everythi...
Also I've heard acCuSAtiOns of them being op. is that true or LSM doesn't stomp em in the lore and therefore=OP?
frosty cobalt
Also I've heard acCuSAtiOns of them being op. is that true or LSM doesn't stomp...
oh they suck this edition
atomic pelican
Yeah they're in likebottom 3 orso
vast frigate
atomic pelican
Is that someone who got banned from here
vast frigate
vapid tiger
You read 80+ novels of horus heresy of course you're gonna get invested and because you sunk all that time into it
vast frigate
Is that someone who got banned from here
Their name is Mrs.Obama
i fucking assume so lmao
vapid tiger
It's gonna be a passion for you
atomic pelican
Dont recognize but I was hoping they'd mention ir or smthing
vapid tiger
But
frosty cobalt
Also I've heard acCuSAtiOns of them being op. is that true or LSM doesn't stomp...
one of the worst armies to play them, however in the lore it, like all other lore, depends on the writer
vapid tiger
It's overall bad
errant mauve
multiple sculptors leave, resulting in forgeworld having to outsource sculptors and producing pretty poopy models
the black books get shorter and more expensive since Warwick and Bligh were the main editors and writers, as GW execs take over pricing
There was no loremaster for about 4 years, with French taking over for the Siege of Terra and Black Books 8+9
The rules writing started focussing on balancing around min-maxed competitive lists - more attune to 40k 8th edition's more competitive outlook, completely ruining the rules for all the previous legions in the other books
The Black Books - meant to be these massive tomes of "documentary style" of lore and fluff +n rules became terribly written and biased as less and less qualified writers started taking over
The Black Book for Prospero (TS, SW, Custodes, SA) was delayed for 6 years
atomic pelican
They're faring better lorewise than CWE atm. I think that's actually what makes imperials so salty about the tau, they actually beat ass pretty often
marine ass even
keen nova
one of the worst armies to play them, however in the lore it, like all other lor...
So there are writers that make guard and Eldar OP then???
errant mauve
The death of Alan Bligh and its consequences have been disastrous for Forgeworld
frosty cobalt
So there are writers that make guard and Eldar OP then???
god i wish lmao. GW hands factions over to one or 2 writers and if they are bad then welp
atomic pelican
I would say that most factions are pretty balanced fluffwise except marines p much
Even CWE are fine, until marines get involved
keen nova
They're faring better lorewise than CWE atm. I think that's actually what makes ...
I really like the Guard, I just never see em win. Don't get much books mind ya.
errant mauve
Gaunt's Ghosts has a lot of guardwank and I will die on this hill
atomic pelican
I wouldn't know much about guard books but they do tend to be pretty good iirc
So I am told atleast
vapid tiger
The death of Alan Bligh and its consequences have been disastrous for Forgeworld
The Horus Heresy novel series and its consequences have been disastrous for 40k fluff
errant mauve
True!
frosty cobalt
Gaunt's Ghosts has a lot of guardwank and I will die on this hill
says the IW
keen nova
Gaunt's Ghosts has a lot of guardwank and I will die on this hill
I must purchase then no?
frosty cobalt
I must purchase then no?
its author is writing darktide so yea
errant mauve
but it does get very very wanky later in the series
tiny nova
It's based off of Sharpe, what's not to love about gg
vapid tiger
Who are convinced that the Emperor needs to be stabbed so he can magically revived because dan abnett smoked a bunch of crack and came up with perpetuals
errant mauve
I could buy the first few GG books, but when they started outsneaking Dark Eldar Mandrakes the wank alarms in my head started going off.
keen nova
but it *does* get very very wanky later in the series
yesssssss
keen nova
Yessssssssssssss
atomic pelican
the mandrakes who can literally vanish into shadow
tiny nova
Mkoll
atomic pelican
wew
errant mauve
WHO isoutsneaking mandrakes?
Guardsman :pepega:
keen nova
but it *does* get very very wanky later in the series
wait, who gets fugged over tho?
tiny nova
Just goes to show you named character vs unnamed character
visual pumice
Let the scottish guys be cool
errant mauve
Sort of like in Brothers of the Snake how it was really good until a single Iron Snake slaughtered 100 dark eldar.
keen nova
Ya gotta fuck over another faction to wank a faction
errant mauve
Dan Abnett just has a hateboner for Dark Eldar
vapid tiger
I could buy the first few GG books, but when they started outsneaking Dark Eldar...
Dan Abnett is the best writer in the bl
Doesn't mean he's this perfect god some 40k fans portray him as
atomic pelican
there's a really cool part in path of the dark eldar where they have some guardsmen in a dungeon and stage a escape. The scene plays through like guard wank, all the while you know that they'rejust being jebaited.
Then they end up being humiliated when they find out it was just a jebait
errant mauve
wait, who gets fugged over tho?
Generally speaking Guard gets wanked against whatever faction they face in the later GG
with the exception of CSM
then you get a really good fight without too much bias (which the guard always wins, because it's a gaunt novel. But it's a fun read)
vapid tiger
there's a really cool part in path of the dark eldar where they have some guards...
That's really cool actually
atomic pelican
Yee It's nice
vapid tiger
And also sounds really meta
keen nova
Dan Abnett just has a hateboner for Dark Eldar
I mean, I would. Or is it bull?
atomic pelican
I'm p sure it's a rip on the wank itself
final spruce
there's a really cool part in path of the dark eldar where they have some guards...
It was a bait from the start, even in Gaunt Ghosts the guards aren't even wanked
atomic pelican
Andy Chambers is ar rlly good writer
vapid tiger
adb is p good
atomic pelican
He's only written like
3 things
but they're all good
He essentially made the dark eldar
vapid tiger
Josh Reynolds was really good but he was more of a fantasy and aos writer
atomic pelican
Yesss
vapid tiger
And left because all his good pitches got rejected
atomic pelican
Reynolds essentially set the foundation for all that'sgood about AoS
And wrote Soul Wars
final spruce
We need to do an Andy chamber meme with the chad "leaves" meme
Comes, create the best deldar books, leaves
vapid tiger
There's this interview for Apocalypse that released to tie into the new apocalypse game redux
atomic pelican
And the harlequin short story