40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

[final spruce]

He is already dead anyway so what's the harm

Also Ooof Metallica, the grimdark boys

[atomic pelican]

Metalica just got grimmer and darker

[final spruce]

I mean their lore got a bit of extension after Cadia's fall

They'd take refugees from the collapse in, just to forcefully turn them in servitors and skitariis to protect themselves from the chaos incursions

I guess it wasn't enough against the DG

[atomic pelican]

[final spruce]

They were like " We are allies of Cadia you can come on !!"

And then boom, now half of your brain is scrap

[smoky ferry]

it'll be interesting to see what happens to the knight house ||that lost it's homeworld||

[cerulean wagon]

[atomic pelican]

Metalica wasnt completely lost, just doomed now bcuz of the wurm

Sad that they didnt wrap up Lelith's part in Charadon

Left it on a hanger

[storm jungle]

Lmao i forgot about that part entirely

rip

[errant mauve]

Forbidden booty

[atomic pelican]

Im reading Masque of Vyle which is the harlequin book

Its so charming

I love harles alot

[errant mauve]

What is it about

[atomic pelican]

Its about a troupe of harlequins investigating the death of a craftworld where all the soulstones were taken

One of them is a Solitaire who also appears in the drukhari books

[errant mauve]

Mystery Incorporated 🧐

[cerulean wagon]

Dead craftworlds are interesting af

wish more stuff covered it

[atomic pelican]

Harlequins are rlly funny too, as one can imagine

Theres a death jester in the troupe named Hradhir Ra and, at the start of the books, he gets jumped by like 15 daemons and 'killed' before exploding

He then appears behind the troupe clapping, before saying smthing like, "Are my death defying feats going to be met with horror everytime?"

Well, not daemons but, mutated eldar

[cerulean wagon]

possessed ones

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

Exactly

Theyve been mutated tho, they been there for so long

Its a rlly cool opening

There are also wraithblades corrupted and twisted

[atomic pelican]

Falling in love with harlequins

Andy Chamber's prose is so charming

The drukhari in it are also rlly funny

[cerulean wagon]

lol

[gaunt vector]

[atomic pelican]

Chad Archon forces a imperial world to carve his face out of Emperir encarvings

[storm jungle]

Im gonna go and download this book i think

[odd sparrow]

okay apparently drukhari i actually like reading about do exist

[gaunt vector]

||I'm reading path of the outcast and I think elf Adrian is about to get fuked on by some space marines||

||I'm looking forward to this because Adrian is becoming annoying||

[storm jungle]

||Welcome to our pain||

[gaunt vector]

||this is not pain. this is lol||

[atomic pelican]

Drukhari are AMAZING to read

[atomic pelican]

Read this then path of the deldar

Andy Chamvwrs has so much talent

[gaunt vector]

I hate drukhari

which is because they are done well

their superior attitude and tech

while having no substance to justify the attitude

[atomic pelican]

@storm jungle Masque of the Vyle has the most complete retelling of eldar myth

In the form of a play

[storm jungle]

I'm downloading it now lmao

will read it tomorrow 👍

[gaunt vector]

||Oh its CSM||

I think

but idk yes

*yet

[odd sparrow]

where do u get them? i've had difficulty finding somewhere that does BL stuff

[storm jungle]

Will DM!

[atomic pelican]

Just finished ut

Very good book

[gaunt vector]

||Ok Adrian made a deal with them||

||nvm it didn't work||

[gaunt vector]

||OH OK SO THAT ONE TIME WHEN THE IMPERIUM NEARLY BLEW UP ALAITOC WAS ENTIRELY F**KING ARADRIAN'S FAULT||

||WHAT AN IDIOT||

[odd sparrow]

i'm tryna read through fire caste cus i've heard it has some cool tau stuff in it and i'm just being distracted by how ridiculously blatant the american civil war analogues all are

like,, cmon yall just copy pasted the CSAs entire history and lost cause gimmick with a couple of names swapped

Long ago, someone very wise and very bleak had remarked that civil wars were the worst kind. After the madness that had ravaged his home world, turning parish against parish and brother against brother, Waite wouldn’t argue. The rebels had called it Independence, the brave old Union of Seven Stars reborn brighter and better than before. How the fools had rallied to their ‘March of Freedom’ – croppers and collarmen, hicks and gentry, even some of the savage tribes, banding together to throw off the shackles of Imperial tyranny.

stooop

maybe im unreasonably grossed out by this particular area of history but

[atomic pelican]

Weew

Thats a wee bit cring

[gaunt vector]

as long as the CSA side get stomped I can live with it

[cerulean wagon]

its a pro slavery ig faction

its super cringe, you can tell because medic liked it

[atomic pelican]

[errant mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTD11HvGuKU&t=2032s

Found this video on yt

and holy moly is it good

[final spruce]

Ooof Skely pulling out the big guns

[rose thorn]

who made horus have his visions again?

and turn to chaos?

[errant mauve]

[odd sparrow]

they do at least end up in space nam and end up dying from a mix of crippling disease and plasma fire

so i can recommend it in that capacity

but god what was this author thinking

~they also have grey uniforms cus ofc they do~

[odd sparrow]

also, i lowkey wonder if anyone has crunched the numbers for how many 40k BL books total are about space marines

cus like,,

it has to be over 80% right

i count custodes too they're just golden space marines with bigger dongs

[atomic pelican]

Yeah but honestly theyre 90% trash

And I mean like, inarguable bargain bin garbo that no one remembers

[odd sparrow]

i'm honestly just shocked by the sheer volume

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[odd sparrow]

victories of the space marines and legends of the space marines with near identical cover art back to back borders on comical

[atomic pelican]

GW takes the shotgun approach with their other mediums

[odd sparrow]

tbh i'm not complaining

the internet exists, sifting through trash to find good stuff is ez nowadays

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[odd sparrow]

i imagine it would be more annoying without easy access to hella community discourse on it

[atomic pelican]

Oh ye for sure

Tho, bl publishing like

90% garbage for 40k has a certain brand image

Compare to AoS with very few good or above books

[odd sparrow]

Yeaaah that is true. Same as all the random ass awful 40k mobile games

it can't be good PR

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[odd sparrow]

i'm just like,, no pls i swear there is good stuff there

[atomic pelican]

Then again I think the person who buys the dime novel space marine books isnt exactly the most avid reader

[odd sparrow]

i'm barely literate and my eyes still glaze over immediately

[atomic pelican]

[odd sparrow]

tho outside of the lowkey cringy confederate stuff, fire caste does seem p solid so far. I do esp like how it handles daemons

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[odd sparrow]

imo daemonic stuff is usually best elaborated on very lowkey. Like, it's meant to be the whole ~inconceivable otherworldly horror~ vibes so actually giving them dialogue or giving them text descriptions sorta takes away from it, unless it's the focus of the story so u can't really avoid it

[atomic pelican]

Its one of the better tau books I hear

[odd sparrow]

Apparently it's one of the best BL books but it barely has tau in it

[atomic pelican]

Oh wow

[odd sparrow]

what is there is great but it's basically an IG book

all from their perspective

[atomic pelican]

U should maybe try uhhh

Last of Kiru's line

Its the shadowsun book

[odd sparrow]

! found it

Will download it for later then, what's it like?

[atomic pelican]

Also the eldar books have the best daemon interactions

Like all of them

I actually never finished it

But I do lov shadowsun so

The ethereals in the start seem like caring grandpas which was funny to me

[odd sparrow]

i way prefer that interpretation tbh

give me wholesome ethereals

[atomic pelican]

I think the other tau ones are in the uhh

Omnibus one for the damocles crusade

I think its actually called Damocles

[odd sparrow]

Yeah it's just called damocles, is that one decent?

[atomic pelican]

Sadly the only big novels are the FSE ones

Unsure, I've only read some bits of it

As a whole idk but there's 2 I liked

[odd sparrow]

would be lowkey sorta nice to have actually read the proper book for it so i can tpose on all the imp stans using it

[atomic pelican]

Lemme find the names

Theyre usually cittinf the campaign book, which u can find opposite info in the tau codex abt

Or the campaign book too but

[odd sparrow]

nods

[atomic pelican]

Look for Broken Sword and Voice Of Experience

Both are neat little short stories

Voice of Experience is the detective one

[odd sparrow]

ah yeah broken sword is included in damocles

stonks

[odd sparrow]

based

based

Her appointment as the face of the Third Sphere expansion had been no accident. Tall for a tau and with a dancer’s perfect posture, on those occasions when she wished to be seen, she cut quite a majestic figure.
aight guess im gay for shadowsun now

[atomic pelican]

😳

[odd sparrow]

Only two other tau in the entire galaxy could truly understand what she had gone through in the name of the Greater Good. Strange young Kais, the Monat Supreme, cadre-of-one and founder of Fi’rios Sept. Kais, and… and the traitor Shoh.
i appreciate how this p much presents kais as the chad and farsight as the virgin lol

even shadowsuns inner monologue reps kais god bless

[atomic pelican]

Its tru

Girlboss vs Farcel

[odd sparrow]

Kilometres below the peak of Mount Kanji, Shadowsun had sat shrouded in snow at the side of a beast-trail for days. Her skin had been as cold as death, and her breathing as shallow as the tiny sighs of a hibernating mouse. She had remained so still that a large family of arctic spiders had used her as a frame for their tickling webs. Inert as stone, at one with the mountain, when the one-eared snow lynx had finally wandered past her, she had simply lunged out and broken its neck.
MISS

WAS THAT ENTIRELY NECESSARY

poor cat

[atomic pelican]

Absolutely cracked

[coarse mirage]

I am serenity itse- MURDER - lf

[barren tapir]

That was agripinaa

Ok, anyone know where i can read about the war on Metalica? It sound weird that such important forge world got doomed by GW

[odd sparrow]

this has such he-man vibes and i love it

[storm jungle]

Yeah i read Shaskais' summary on it

Typhus gave the world tech-AIDS

[peak hamlet]

Tbh i prefered the old sword

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/40bebFzrqjNS0Zzs.jpg

Shiny gem

[barren tapir]

I need to read it to trust it...

[storm jungle]

Nah its fucked

The book is just more dramatic about it

[barren tapir]

Which book?

[storm jungle]

The Warzone thing

[barren tapir]

Octarius?

Wat?

Ah, no, warzone charadon

[final spruce]

@errant mauve So i tried too look at this guy, Amber King, literally half of his quotes are from himself

[errant mauve]

Wdym?

[frosty cobalt]

heckj yea join the club. i love shadowsun and farsight just HARD SIMP over kais its so funny

[odd sparrow]

i honestly adore it

[frosty cobalt]

i mean if a single firewarrior could 1v10 a squad of sm id simp p hard too

[final spruce]

Whne he says stuff he pus a quote of where it comes from

[odd sparrow]

kais, the random ass DoW character who looks identical to any other tau commander, is hyped up SO much

[final spruce]

Half of them are marked Amber King

You tricked me

[odd sparrow]

sadly i dont think anyone has implied that the fire warrior kais is the same as the DoW kais

kais is basically the tau name equivalent of john smith

[atomic pelican]

Theres so many kaises

[odd sparrow]

yee

[errant mauve]

? What video? The Perturabo one has a fair amount of legitimate book quotes.

[odd sparrow]

even farsight has kais in his name

[frosty cobalt]

yea i know but it makes it so much funnier

like

[final spruce]

The ones about Chaos Corruption

[frosty cobalt]

hey this rando firewarrior killed a bunch of sm and csm, went mad, was promoted, and fought some more

its dumb and makes me laugh

[odd sparrow]

chad kais massacres hundreds of guardsmen, dozens of space marines of either variety, a fucking greater daemon, and then trains under tau sun tzu, is continued to be hyped up even decades after he leaves by his colleagues, founds a whole ass sept

new hc accepted, kais will kill the chaos gods

[frosty cobalt]

LMAO

[errant mauve]

Haven't watched that yet. My guess is that Chaos corruption doesn't have much written lore on it. I've only watched the Ahriman, Huron, and Pert ones and pretty much all his quotes are from the books there.

[frosty cobalt]

farsight/shadowsun: im sorry my friends but that montat bussy got me questioning my loyalty

god i wish my brain worked i wanna write more

[odd sparrow]

Kauyon: remaining passive and reserved until the perfect moment
Mont'ka: overwhelming force applied at key points of the battle
Monat: fuck you i dont need an army

[frosty cobalt]

lol

i like the tau strats, shame all we see in the art is gunline

lov to see a kauyon ambush

[odd sparrow]

i am particularly fond of this one

looks v mont'ka with just: apply battlesuits to key problem until problem is solved

v little kauyon rep art wise tho ye, which is weird considering one of the most popular tau characters is all about that

[frosty cobalt]

god I lOVE that hammerhead just saying fuck work

[odd sparrow]

SAME

cmon a little bit higher

[atomic pelican]

Remember the 15-1 kill ratio of hammerheads to russes?

[odd sparrow]

can nearly hit the brain

[atomic pelican]

Pepperidge farm remembers

[frosty cobalt]

remember the time a hammerhead sniped a titan?

[atomic pelican]

MY BOY UH

FUCKIINN

[odd sparrow]

whatwashisface

[atomic pelican]

LONGSTRIKE

[frosty cobalt]

longstrike

[odd sparrow]

YEWAH

how was he like,, actually meant to do that

[frosty cobalt]

tigersharks took out the void shields

[odd sparrow]

titans are meant to have layers of void shields that recharge at a regular rate right, so it's basically dps capped

[frosty cobalt]

and he headshot it

[odd sparrow]

bless

[frosty cobalt]

teamwork makes the dreamwork

yea 2 tigersharks slapped the shields, then longstrike popped it

that was about the time the imps started to pull back

cause the tanks were getting decimated

im so mad i gave up my 7th ed codex

[atomic pelican]

I think the 8e codex has nearly the same lore

U can also read the umm

Damocles warzone book abt that

It goes into more detail sbt it

Including more abt Aun'Va's assassination

Like that they also tried to kill Shadowsun and Farsight but the other assassins were killed

One got beaned by longstrider of all people

[frosty cobalt]

darkstrider?

[odd sparrow]

i love the art for that so much

"Oh shit"

[atomic pelican]

Oh ye darkstrider

Sowy yes

[frosty cobalt]

"man i appear to be at a ranged disadvantage"

i think thats his name dont quote me

[atomic pelican]

Ur right it is

[odd sparrow]

esp given there's another pulse carbine just out of shot too

vindicare made a calculated risk but man

[atomic pelican]

Farsight(and gang) kill like 2 assassins I think

And shadowsun another

[odd sparrow]

bitch assassins are only capable of killing an old dude

[atomic pelican]

Aun'va's beefcakes couldnt protect him

[frosty cobalt]

ngl aside from the fact that the tau have tech the assassins probably never seen before and they managed to sneak in, i like the assassination

shows that the imps dont wanna beef on open plains if they dont have too

[atomic pelican]

Yee, I believe its because the assassin that got in was the uh, weird psyker variant

Calexus?

I forget

Or rather the weird brain wooshing ones

[odd sparrow]

yee

[frosty cobalt]

ah yes, my psychics protect me from the psychic phenomenon know as.... "camera drones"

[odd sparrow]

the anti psyker one

whose anti psyker powers are capable of doing uh

basically anything yeah

[frosty cobalt]

arnt they just blanks?

[odd sparrow]

blanks with some technobable stuff on them iirc

[frosty cobalt]

yea im not upset it happened, just that they managed to get all the way into T'au before being detected like how

[atomic pelican]

I think they literally noclipped

[frosty cobalt]

did they stowaway?

ah

[odd sparrow]

yee it was silly

alas aun'vas jojo guard couldn't save him

[frosty cobalt]

so "plot driven bullshite' i see

[cerulean wagon]

Imperium has some stealth capable ships

very rare tho

[atomic pelican]

Goes into console, clicks aun'va. "kill"

Ez

[frosty cobalt]

lmao

[atomic pelican]

tcl to tpose out

[frosty cobalt]

if they have consol commands, why cant they type /respawn-emps

[cerulean wagon]

so proud your saying its this

https://youtu.be/3TP6kER1MAw

[atomic pelican]

YEAH

[frosty cobalt]

lmao i can see that

[atomic pelican]

Tried that with drukhari once. Mistake

good lord imagining if thatd actually happened

[frosty cobalt]

trying most things with DE seems to end in mistakes

[atomic pelican]

The Haemonculi wouldve made a super turbo torture engine to rend the galaxy

[frosty cobalt]

id love if we ever got 40k endtimes, that Every factioin gets a god boost in power, and just duke it out

[atomic pelican]

Phil Kelly wants to write the 40k end times someday apparently

Chaos and Imperium would have a slap fight while everyone else was a footnote

[odd sparrow]

correct

[frosty cobalt]

manifestations of gork and mork tag teaming khorne in the warp

[atomic pelican]

Except orkz who'd XD lovas da fightin!!!

[frosty cobalt]

lol

but yea just seeing every faction at the hight of their ability, only to die together would cap off 40k quite nicely imo

[atomic pelican]

It hurts that the best xeno books are written by someone who only wrote a trilogy and 1 of them

[frosty cobalt]

ok hold up one sec, do the vindicartes store all the ammo they have in that 🍑 of theirs?

cause like]

[atomic pelican]

😳

[frosty cobalt]

this one dude killed a strike team of fire warriors(10 dudes) a crisis team(3) a riptide(1) and a piranha (2)

[final spruce]

In line with tabletop

[frosty cobalt]

thats after firing a special shot at farsight, and killing a bunch of pathfinders on the way there

oh i agree, but still

[final spruce]

I wasn't saying that seriously

[atomic pelican]

Yeah arent all agents kinda meh?

[frosty cobalt]

thats a lot of ammo and like the vidicare has like 8 extra shots on his nipples so like

where u getting the ammo from lad?

[final spruce]

Calidus is ok

[atomic pelican]

Its boomeranging back to him

[barren tapir]

GW ignorance

[frosty cobalt]

😔 i know

its never gonna happen but god the stories would be so much more enjoyable if they made sense

[atomic pelican]

I think It says alot abt 40k that one of the most elite operative groups of the galaxy are interdimensional clowns/juggalos

[summer niche]

crazy ass god

[atomic pelican]

Been thinking abt Harles alot after reading Masque

[frosty cobalt]

the only god doing smth lmao

[atomic pelican]

Literally

I hope Cegorach saves Isha

[summer niche]

harlequins are dope

[atomic pelican]

She deserves the W

[summer niche]

it's eldar

what do you think is gonna happen

[frosty cobalt]

isha wants that clussy

[summer niche]

[frigid mesa]

helloo

[frosty cobalt]

howdy

[summer niche]

he who shall not be named will roll in and write another book

||Cegorach help us||

[atomic pelican]

Tbf Harlequins seem mostly immune to Gav effect

[summer niche]

i hope you're right

[atomic pelican]

I think even he knows that Harles are p much eldar custodes

Also wew Solitaires have

Rlly cool lore

[barren tapir]

Of course they have, they are blanks

Although not natural blanks

[atomic pelican]

I'll spoil a bit of Masque of Vyle below so I'll mark it

||At the end, Motley, a Solitaire, reveals that he is there for Vyle, a archon. He moves to remove his mask and reveals the truth of Solitaires. They are a bargain to slaanesh, damned||

||‘Me personally?’ Motley shook his head vigorously. ‘No. I’m here for you, Vyle Menshas, you might say that you’ve summoned me here. Your lust and your cruelty called me into being as an inevitable consequence of your actions. It’s a fine irony don’t you think? Quite perfect in its conception if you connect all the dots. Don’t you see? We are the third act, you and I, in Ursylas' tale of the Fall. You’re the eldar race, and I’m She–’||

||‘For better or for worse we are judged by our actions, my skeletal friend,’ Motley said more soberly as he reached for the stone, ‘not for our potential. If the universe has one message to relate to us about universal justice it is surely that one. May I?’
Hradhiri Ra surrendered the spirit stone to Motley’s nimble fingers readily enough. However he chose to look away as, with an indescribable look of pleasure in his eyes, the slight Solitaire consumed the stone containing Vyle Menshas’s soul.
This was the price the Harlequins must pay to evade She Who Thirsts – one of their number already promised to her unrelenting hunger. Legend had it that when a Solitaire’s soul was parted from his body Cegorach might appear and try to cheat She Who Thirsts of her prize. Until then Motley’s pre-ordained doom protected the entire troupe from extinction – but only at a price.||

Marked because Ik there are ppl here also reading Masque atm

||After a moment Motley tittered, belched and excused himself comically

Motley moment||

[storm jungle]

||Harlequin vore smh||

[barren tapir]

So, with the loss of Metalica, what is lost to the imperium?

[final spruce]

Another forgeworld

[atomic pelican]

A major forgeworld's production cut down significantly

[final spruce]

Which is big

[barren tapir]

It got a reduced production to 1/3 of what it was

[atomic pelican]

Yee

[final spruce]

More like 1/6

Because the worm struck twice

[atomic pelican]

Also the infection will pose a forever risk

That will have to be culled down

[final spruce]

They just need to survive until Cawl comes back with an old copy of Malware Bytes

[barren tapir]

It seems it didn't had anything special

[atomic pelican]

Norton Antivirus

[barren tapir]

Other than being a major forge world made of metal

[barren tapir]

True, i just stated the production grade after the fights, but the infection and the devastation of near worlds is bound to decrease it in time

Oh, wait, Metalica supplied armageddon, so now that world might be in danger too

[frosty cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

steel legion be like

[storm jungle]

Nothing tbh

Losses being nothing lore-wise even if metallica is well known most fans arent even aware of its existence unless you're an admech fan or just know the wider lore

Unless someone left a note about its absence on the writer's board i doubt they'll mention it again

[barren tapir]

I was talking more about in setting tech

Since forge worlds don't share tech, and once a forge world fall the tech it had is lost until some retcon happen, retcon can be finding an STC again in this case

[storm jungle]

Again, probably nothing

My point was more on writers usually not caring about mishaps like this. Cadia blew up yet Cadians can still settle on new planets and produce regiments; that kind of deal

Its fixable with the right writing

[marsh grail]

But Cadia stands

[storm jungle]

Its chunks of rocks but I guess so

[marsh grail]

Could you imagine what the kriegers would yell of their planet blew up?

[final spruce]

Nothing because the regiment would die

Cadians's strenght was that a lot of people adopted their strategies and formations before the fall

So the "spirit" was still there

[barren tapir]

And that they shipped shit tons of regiments out of cadia

It just take a cadian regiment to settle down on a planet near another big bad and we could get cadians but a bit different

Instead of hating chaos they would hate orks, and would specialise in fight them, but with the old traditions twist

[summer niche]

without kriegs planet, how would they even keep ||cloning|| them?

they'd slowly be decimated after that

[storm jungle]

yeah sad

[summer niche]

tfw poor kriegers getting all the hate

and it isn't even their fault

[final spruce]

bad writers

and chud magnet

[marsh grail]

Wait what really happened to them

I recall they did something heretical

[storm jungle]

Who, Krieg?

[marsh grail]

Yeah

I know they made the cult of sacrifice as a result but what caused all that.

[storm jungle]

Half of their population wanted to be free from Imperial tyranny and especially the nobility, the brainwashed half of their citizens just went to war over it and then launched nukes as a scorched earth tactic to deny anyone anything

the Imperium said the planet is just fucked and left it be until they got a signal from it decades after saying it was reclaimed in the emperor's name and they had a lot of standing regiments ready to dive into the deadliest battlefields

[marsh grail]

Oh. Interesting

[storm jungle]

Probably got some tiny bits wrong but thats the majority of the story

[summer niche]

Ye

No one knows about the uprising either

I'm not sure how much the regular Kreiger knows though

[cloud kindle]

nukes didnt drop till the loyalists were pushed to the brink of defeat

figured they would rather destroy their planet than let the traitors have it

[summer niche]

Something something the empire mustn't know too

[storm jungle]

Yeah same result anyway

[marsh grail]

I went on the Wiki page and apparently the nukes were a secret weapon?

I mean the imperium uses nukes doesn’t it?

Why would those be a secret lost weapon?

[odd sparrow]

Secret/lost/forbidden/whatever probs is just meant to mean we don't know how it works

[storm jungle]

Just planet specific to Krieg i think

they probably meant like how theres countless silos across our world now yet we dont know where half of them are lol

That kind of thing

[odd sparrow]

Yee

[marsh grail]

Oh ok that kind of secret

[atomic pelican]

Daemons are rlly cool in the eldar books

Seer esp since its alot more of the mental/spiritual side

[storm jungle]

Its a lot more fun when demons arent just NPCs i agree

its always a nice change of pace

[atomic pelican]

Thirianna disintegrates a daemon possessed child on the physical side

Which is fucking hilarious

[marsh grail]

I mean only in the most literal sense but aren’t daemons essentially npcs? They are just an echo of their greater entity.

[atomic pelican]

I just finished Seer and I quite liked it

It isnt like, amazing but it was tolerable

And neat

Which, by gav standards is high

Ultramarines actually get thrashed

Shocking, I know.

I wont have a full cohesion of thought until I read Outcast, then I'll be done

I do feel Seer was helped alot by Thirianna being p good

Korlandril sucked, and I am currently unsure of Aradryan

Thirianna seriously beats ass too. Including a feat I'd never thought possible ||Killing a Ultramarine Librarian by mindfrizzing him and splitting his head in two||

[cerulean wagon]

nice

[summer niche]

i really enjoyed how path of the eldar portrayed eldar society

and the whole warmask thing is grade A

loved how creeped out the non-warmasked eldar were by the warriors as well

but still respected them a lot

very nice dichtomy

[cerulean wagon]

ye the overall like

setting for the eldar is nice

the first book just has a bad story and character to go with it

the 2nd is a marked improvement

[summer niche]

yea for sure

i'm merely just talking about all the fluff in the book

i wish there was more good eldar stuff to read

cause honestly before path fo the eldar i didn't care at all for the eldar

but they're superneat

[cerulean wagon]

they are really interesting

its just theres no main line material for them covering it, its all hidden away in RPGs n stuff

[summer niche]

i think more people would like eldar

[cerulean wagon]

Been going over the old RPGs for stuff tho

[summer niche]

if they knew about what aspect warriors actually do

to become aspect warriors

and shit like that

[cerulean wagon]

cause i'm going to run Dark Heresy soon

and dman

[summer niche]

instead of just memeing about space elves

wait, you could play eldar in dark heresy?

that has to be some homebrew no?

[cerulean wagon]

You can play dark eldar, but theres a lot of CWE lore and equipment

i'm also mid homebrewing standard eldar to be playable

[summer niche]

cool

i remember my group playing one game of orks

lol

it was a silly game

we were playing Kommandos infiltrating a Dam

trying to sabotage a generatorium

went completely tits up

cause our dice were cursed teh whole session

i gotta say though

even for fantasy roleplaying

roleplaying as fantasy races and aliens is hard

it always feels a bit flanderised

which is fine ofc

but sometimes you want to do a bit more you know

[cerulean wagon]

i think honestly thats mostly an ork issue

the other races in the 40k rpgs are handled pretty nicely

[summer niche]

yeah i don't mean from the books side

it's hard as a player

haha

[cerulean wagon]

fair lmao

[summer niche]

but i'm prob just a shit roleplayer

[cerulean wagon]

Na it is hard

because you have to think as not yourself

and the only way to nail it really is to do a bunch of prep with a GM

[summer niche]

yea

the not yourself part is hard

i always had trouble in school when we practiced debating

and i was supposed to debate for something i didn't care for

but i digress

besides not thinking as yourself

you're also supposed to think as something completely alien

[cerulean wagon]

I struggle at roleplay, or think i do

[summer niche]

thankfully atleast in 40k none of the aliens are that alien in their thinking lol

they're all kinda human, but that's prob cause tehy're described from a human standpoint

most ofthe time

[cerulean wagon]

aparently people like the way i handle it but im honestly not so sure, I just tend to play the voice of reason

[summer niche]

i think that's the best when it comes to a gm honestly

you're the narrator in a story

[cerulean wagon]

I do that as a player as well

[summer niche]

that's fine

i usually focus on some trait i like

my latest roleplay was a spear wielding cleric human

that was also a snakeoil peddler

[cerulean wagon]

haha

but ye like

aliens can be hard, are very hard, they need something to support them

[summer niche]

imagine those lifestyle butiques selling crytals and stuff

i was doing that in dnd 5e

yeah

especially in group play

[cerulean wagon]

like the GM needs to remember you are an alien, and handle anything involving you as something different

[summer niche]

we've talked about this in relation to darktide a lot

like "how would they incorporate an eldar, if they wanted one"

oh yeah

especially in 40k

where there is plenty of xenophobia going around

[cerulean wagon]

like

even for humans right

if i want to give players different drives to go forwards in only war as an example

the commissar is easy

just give him new instructions or info

[final spruce]

Already done by someone, want the rules ?

[cerulean wagon]

The psyker tho?

[summer niche]

or the ganger!

[cerulean wagon]

need to be abstract

ye

[summer niche]

that's also a nice thing to talk to your players about before the game

[final spruce]

its for RT but like the rules are very similar

[cerulean wagon]

And sure Zher, although i won't lie im probably going to fiddle with it to bring it in line with what im doing atm

[final spruce]

Oh ofc

but that should give you a good basis

[summer niche]

some players like more handholding, so a commisar might be a good fit for them

just in the way hte gm can handle them easier

or more straight forward

[cerulean wagon]

Ye having a player that plays like

an in universe leader

means i can just give them stuff

they are the contact point

anyone else it needs to be different

[summer niche]

i've had games where everyone plays wierd rogueish characters

morally

and it just comes to stop

cause there isn't any drive

lmao

[cerulean wagon]

the medic and storm trooper going to the pub and bumping into someone who slips them some info over a round of amasec

the psyker having nightmares of things that were, are and could be

and ye its hard cause uhh

whats the reoccuring thing

the interdimensional infinite cornor bar

[summer niche]

hahaha

yep

[cerulean wagon]

cause every character wants to sit in the char in the cornor on their own

[summer niche]

exactly that

every group needs a good unifier

honelstly in the last prob 10 rp games i've been in

i mostly wait with picking what to play

and then adapt to the group

just cause it's so awkward with unbalanced groups

[cerulean wagon]

thats exactly what i do haha

my GM is great and can deal with adjusting to a lopsided party, but that doesnt mean i trust the other players to adjust to their own builds

[summer niche]

exactly

i usually trust the gm just fine

but the gm isn't the issue haha

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

[summer niche]

well "issue" it's not that big of a problem

just becomes a bit awkward at times

[cerulean wagon]

It's why outside of the recent shadowrun and pathfinder campaigns

i have been the Face for like

5+ campaigns running

[summer niche]

i have a player in my group that likes playing face

but he also likes playing drug addicts

it never goes well

always ends up with him setting something or someone on fire

haha this is pretty funny, in a vampire game we played, most of the group was up in a penthouse of a skyscraper, and the dang nerd sets the whole building on fire

[final spruce]

I could be the face but people barely understand my accent

[summer niche]

nearly killed the whole group

and it killed our main questgiver

[final spruce]

Oof

[summer niche]

we were is so much fuckin trouble after trhat

just barely got out of being bloodhunted by the whole city

[cerulean wagon]

haha

and na thats fair zherlum lmao

[final spruce]

I've been working on my accent

But I showed you the picture

[summer niche]

more people should think about their accent

it's fun

i sway a bit from a very swedish accent at times to a very "european" english

can't really tell where it's from

[cerulean wagon]

Honestly outside of the odd word every now and then zher your english is pretty solid

[summer niche]

you're german right zher?

[final spruce]

French

[cerulean wagon]

you make more sense then i do most of the time

[summer niche]

ohbruv

french accents are gucci

don't be sad about that

[final spruce]

Moreso pronunciation issues

Like my Rs

[summer niche]

french girls talking to me in heavy french accents

[final spruce]

Yeah but with a microphone it sounds like a 14y old Cod player voice

[summer niche]

lmao

[final spruce]

[cerulean wagon]

zher joinin sessions like the the MW2 xbox lobby

[summer niche]

all you can heear is a pained

MEEEERDEEEEEEEEEE

[final spruce]

I haven't said the N-word yet wdym Skele

[cerulean wagon]

the key word is yet

[final spruce]

That was the joke yes

[cerulean wagon]

haha

[final spruce]

I don't use that word either way

[summer niche]

to go back to the original subject

i do hope your eldar homebrew turns out fun

skele

[final spruce]

I have him a good source

The guy has made a real book out of it

And has made before all the abhuman books and others

[cerulean wagon]

I hope so too, eldar are neat and i'd like to do the aspects justice

[final spruce]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1406/58/1406583701102.pdf

Like the guy is pretty good, when he translated all the Only War regiments etc in RT he put all the xp upgrades needed

So the transition was smoother

• I made one of my players use that guide for his eldar pilot character

He wasn't overpowered

It was the shooty techpriest with 3 weapons

[cerulean wagon]

im looking at it now

seems pretty solid

[summer niche]

cool book

warpspiders are so dang cool

their weapons are pure warcrimes too

[cerulean wagon]

honestly my only complaint with that book

is they dont use the already existing rules for eldar weapons

[final spruce]

Oh, I wasn't aware

Well pick the best of both worlds

[cerulean wagon]

ye its no biggy i can do that

just as a comparison 1 sec

https://i.imgur.com/nMQIemk.png

Deathspinner for NPCs

https://i.imgur.com/XR0zhLY.png

Deathspinner in that rulebook

[final spruce]

That difference in power doe

[cerulean wagon]

4d10
tearing

[summer niche]

kek

[final spruce]

In RT, max level characters have around 20 hp max

So yeah

[cerulean wagon]

unless its a mutant yeah

[summer niche]

this kills the rogue trader

[cerulean wagon]

lol

[summer niche]

[final spruce]

This would even kill an ogryn in RT

with a decent roll

[cerulean wagon]

but ye overall

neat rules

i'll adjust a bit, its given me ideas

and i can use the existing weapon rules

[summer niche]

neat collection of lore if nothing else

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

[summer niche]

for quick reference

[cerulean wagon]

another good one for eldar lore is uhh

koronus beastiary

the eldar section in there is

[final spruce]

My only issue with the book

Is that the guy didn't remove the white of the pictures for the weapons

[cerulean wagon]

lol

[final spruce]

Glad you like it

[frosty cobalt]

Gotta love detail

[errant mauve]

Proteus pattern missile launchers

[cursive hull]

That man has so many eyes

He can look at the shit out of you

[real chasm]

I have a question

WHerE ArE ThErE No FeMaLe SpAcE MaRiNeS

[rotund siren]

wow. you sure are funny and clever. everyone really appreciates what you have added here, today. thanks.

[real chasm]

Yeah thanks for man

But I have a question

Are there any space marines who don't believe in the emperor

[rotund siren]

Well, the Chaos Space Marines, for one

that's part of why they aren't Loyalists, they don't believe the emperor is a god

[errant mauve]

A majority of Space Marine chapters do not view the Emperor as a deity, but rather see him in a more secular view, like the legions did before them. Chapters who deify the Emperor are in the minority.

[cursive hull]

Most see him as a man.

A lot more seem to view him as a grandfather figure.

But yeah, few deify him

[final spruce]

Most space marine chapters still follow the Emperor like he intended, as a leader of Humanity and not a god, unlike Sisters of Battle and Guardsmen that are indoctrinated by the Imperial Cult

[cursive hull]

Basically this yeah.

Far as I've ever known, at most they admire him or see him as an example to follow, along with their Primarch. (Should they know who theirs is anyway.)

[odd sparrow]

Except for a few like black templars' screeching ig

[vast frigate]

ey bois

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270113965193822208/875494861783040080/main-qimg-e1cdad291e782513d8a37b8eaaf306f9.jpeg

apparently this has been in the nids codex

so that confirms the scale of the tyranid motherfleet or mother organism, for that matter, to be larger than the galaxy

[prime kernel]

Gulp

[odd sparrow]

My assumption is that the tendrils/tentacles that artists use for it is just like

The general paths of hivefleets snaking into the galaxy

Not a literal depiction

[vast frigate]

i think one of the issues is that we have, generally speaking, clear reference to star-system blotting swarms

so keeping in line that the tendril reaches back like that, thats still titanic

[odd sparrow]

Like this sorta vibe

[vast frigate]

yeah

[odd sparrow]

They're never gonna thoroughly elaborate on the exact scale of the bid threat, imo. Its the ~extragalactic mysterious cosmic threat~

[vast frigate]

the question is completely; how bad is it outside of the galaxy

[final spruce]

We'll never know since GW can't even handle what's inside of it

[vast frigate]

like

[odd sparrow]

Unless GW decides to give them a specific scale, for some reason, they're anything from practically infinite and across hundreds of galaxies to relatively petty threat that only just clambered from their first galaxy

[cerulean wagon]

The actual nid threat will remain in limbo indefinetly

[odd sparrow]

Ye

[cerulean wagon]

just like how necrons are now a major threat which means they also now have to remain in limbo

[vast frigate]

the necrons even stopped expanding out of the base galaxy and decided that pocket dimensions and alternate realities are easier

so like, makes you wonder what made them decide to take the ''harder'' route

[odd sparrow]

Oops! All bugs

[vast frigate]

Welp

''time to stop expanding, we dont have more scarabs than they have cockroaches''

[odd sparrow]

A single disparate lichen successfully grows on an exhausted world in an exhausted galaxy

[cerulean wagon]

Because the nids can't support dimensional technology, not sustainably

[vast frigate]

yeah

[odd sparrow]

Local bottom feeder hivefleet jumps on it

[cerulean wagon]

their travel ships take a lot of strain since its just big biomorphs

[vast frigate]

that and the necrons can outwait the nids lmao

just fugn

drive ahead of them

wait for their car to run out of gas, then driveby

[cerulean wagon]

i mean

[vast frigate]

im not wrong

[cerulean wagon]

for all intents and purposes necrons could live on a nid eaten world

[vast frigate]

yee

[cerulean wagon]

and just never be attacked by them

[vast frigate]

tho the swarm evades necron worlds

[odd sparrow]

Necrons are just gonna teleport behind them with their bs space magic anime style

[vast frigate]

imagine one fleet that set out to explore

takes a wrong turn

ends up behind the cosmic butthole of the nid motherswarm

[final spruce]

So can humans it seems now

Since now tyranids have been reduced to surface feeders

[odd sparrow]

Humans sorta need oxygen

[vast frigate]

thats a lie

[cerulean wagon]

humans can now fix eaten worlds

[vast frigate]

i dont breathe and im fine

[final spruce]

Nothing humans can't terraform

[odd sparrow]

,, wh

[cerulean wagon]

new cawl book

or well

"new"

[final spruce]

4 year old book ?

[vast frigate]

yeah didnt they find the STC to a terraformer?

[odd sparrow]

I'm shocked they even can terraform still

[cerulean wagon]

wasnt even an stc elyksis its worse

[odd sparrow]

Yall can't even fix the environment on ur inhabitated worlds

[cerulean wagon]

its literaly "the law says the planet has to be abandoned after its eaten so just nobody tried"

which is

[odd sparrow]

Why can you just,, bring the atmosphere back

[cerulean wagon]

the dumbest fucking shit

[odd sparrow]

????

The explanation for nobody ever using terraforming tech on previously big deal worlds is that they just didn't bother

[cerulean wagon]

big puffy blowy machines ratty

[odd sparrow]

Rope

[cerulean wagon]

they turn the floor water into breath space bubble

[odd sparrow]

???????

Terraforming does not work that way also why is there still water

Shouldn't that have evaporated cus no atmosphere

[cerulean wagon]

well aparently no

it just hid

very deep underground

and cause nids are surface feeders

no problem

[odd sparrow]

Nids

[cerulean wagon]

I would like to mention i dont mind imperials terraforming

[odd sparrow]

The race with several burrowing combat creatures

[cerulean wagon]

its just the way its handled

[final spruce]

Gav'd

[odd sparrow]

Yeah it's janky

[vast frigate]

i do have to mention, the small amount of terraforming tech i could find from warhammer speaks of a fucking santaclause machine so like

[odd sparrow]

I also still don't really like the idea they can terraform. Like, idk

Feels odd

[vast frigate]

for your information, a Santaclause machine can basically re-arrange matter at will

so you could put in a rock and it could output... idk fucking ham

[odd sparrow]

Give it to me

I have uses

[final spruce]

Ah food !

[vast frigate]

the ones i could find spoke of machines that could ''turn the planets matter in the necessary elements to fill an atmosphere. The ecosystem takes over after this initial kickstart''

even one where they first drill to the core to initiate a primary heating, so it can magnetically lock the atmosphere like ours

like GW calm the fuck down

[odd sparrow]

Wh

What is drilling to the core meant to-wait how do u even do that it's mostly liquid

[vast frigate]

when a planet has a cooled core, like mars

you can technically reheat it

seismic activity SHOULD take over after that

but in all essence that trick is impossible

[odd sparrow]

?? How do u reheat a planet

[vast frigate]

Well

As elon musk puts it

[odd sparrow]

Ew

[vast frigate]

ya nuke the fucking poles

[odd sparrow]

Poor martian penguins

[vast frigate]

but seriously, reheating the core of a planet would involve pumping down something that can liquiify enough of the core to smelt down more material

then, the compression and the actual plates moving should sort of ''self drive'' the planet as it slowly cools down again

as google explains

Planetary Cores: As they decay, radioactive atoms release energy as radiogenic heat in the mantle. Much as an electric blanket keeps you warm on a cold winter's night, radiogenic heat has allowed Earth's core to remain hot and molten far longer than primordial heat.

[odd sparrow]

Odd

[vast frigate]

scienc

[cerulean wagon]

fusion bomb the planet

[vast frigate]

fukin

slap the core to cook it

[crisp heath]

HELLO guys. Is there any discord for deamonhunters too

[gusty fulcrum]

Are you talking about stcs?

THeyre not sntaclause machines persay depednign on teh description

There some that are implied to manufacture shit some are implied to be how to dummie guides that could teach a caveman to build a super basic as fuck tractor

Youd just kinda input what you wanted to make and what local resources were availably and the stc would figure out how to teach you to make some version of that thing from those resources

But at the end theyre are suppose to be able to make just about anything using whatever resources are available within reason

takin into account future science/knowldge allowing them to use stuff in ways we couldnt with our modern knowldge

but its not suppose to like put a dirtball in there and youd get like ham

you could maybe get a block of carbon?

[gusty fulcrum]

Well ya its said imeprials can terraform planets but like everythign else for them the knowledge on how to do it is wiffy and patchy so it takes them a fucklong time to terraform anything

and yes resource heavy

Also its mostly the adeptus who knows the art of terraforming and even theyed just rather build an outpost then terraform a whole palent

[gusty fulcrum]

Where does it say the actually have to scrap teh planet cuz wasnt there at least one mention in lore that it got terraformed after nids ate it only for the nids to come a second time? or like chaos invades it i forget

[vast frigate]

no im not talking about STC's

[gusty fulcrum]

ah i was having a hard time following caught stuf about terraforming and santaclause machines

and making ham from scratch

[vast frigate]

Thats fine lmao

Imperial terraformers are pretty much atmosphere santaclause machines is a better way to put t

[proper helm]

Ok I'm writing the lore of a world colonized during the Great Crusade that was occupied by the Sons of Horus (after the local army garrison let them in because of a hero cult of Horus as the one who conquered the place). Would they enforce the worship of the chaos gods at this point?

[odd sparrow]

they shouldn't, i'm not sure if there even were any great crusade conquests by traitor legions post chaos-ification

[proper helm]

Right, the idea was it was conquered at the start of the Crusade by the Luna wolves

and then when the Sons of Horus came back the army rolled out the red carpet

[odd sparrow]

yee unless the sons of horus came back during the heresy to have yall heard the word of CHAOS then it wouldn't be a thing

[proper helm]

Ok then thank you

[proper helm]

when was the Schola Progenium founded?

[native surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ni21upgRyA&list=

[peak hamlet]

I think metal would fit khorne a damn lot better

[neat fiber]

Does anyone have a good way for finding helmet designs for marines? im trying to do a chaos marine drawing that i was originally going to make a world eater but i couldnt find any good helmets i liked

[frosty cobalt]

go buck wild with chaos, thats their whole thing

as long as it still resembles a head covering it could be a warped helm

[neat fiber]

Alright thanks

ive mainly been using wolfdog and the guy who does the 2 by 2 helmets for references

[frosty cobalt]

yea those are good refs

ive been making some IW helmet sketches i might share sometime

all heavy plates and wires

[neat fiber]

it would help too if pinterest wasnt the laggiest site ever lol

[cunning lantern]

What is that Emperor's Child even carrying...?

[lofty storm]

Noise cannon.

Connected by his beautiful tentacle arms.

[neat fiber]

This is definitely a really stupid question but I just need to make sure, so it would be safe to say for sure that chapters of astartes have turned since hh? im not talking like they are deemed heretical because of geneseed mutations or whatever just fully turning

[odd sparrow]

yee that happens all the time. like, there's loyalist marines, csm descended from the og traitor legions, csm that turned more recently and also renegade marines

who have gone rogue from the imperium but aren't into chaos

u have a lot of freedom writing it

[neat fiber]

rogue space pirate marines

[odd sparrow]

hell yeah

[final spruce]

Marine Malovelant moment

[errant mauve]

These are incredibly cool, do you know the artist?

[frosty cobalt]

its a top post on r/imaginarywarhammer ill see if i can find it for ya

[errant mauve]

Thanks!

[frosty cobalt]

https://www.deviantart.com/zuboros/art/Traitor-Legions-426931924 did some searching

[errant mauve]

Thank you my guy 😁

[final spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/601926113958166538/876282795390021642/ValorousHeartSister_1.jpg

[rose thorn]

wait fucking what

the killteam core book comes in 2 different books?

[odd sparrow]

pardon

why

[odd tulip]

I think there's only 1

You can only buy 1 from GW, anyways

[atomic pelican]

Theres the core book

Then the compendium

So you need 2 to play a non-vets/kommandos army

[odd tulip]

I guess that replaces elites and commanders from the 8th ed kt

[atomic pelican]

Not quite, its very limited still

[odd tulip]

hooray...

[atomic pelican]

Most from the elites are gone, if not all

No commanders either

[odd tulip]

honestly probably a good thing

commanders was hopelessly unbalanced

[atomic pelican]

Yeah but elites were fine

Some factions are down to like

2-4 units

[odd tulip]

Elites was mostly fine- custodeans were a little underpowered

[atomic pelican]

Craftworlds only have 1 aspect shrine

And 2 guardian variants dor some reason

When guardians make likw

0 sense on a kill team

[barren tapir]

I think they cover the same role as IG troopers, basic guy just to bring one more body to the fight

[atomic pelican]

P much but fluffwise make little sense

For a killteam

Esp with no warlock

[neat fiber]

On this a very good artist ive found for more marine armor designs and more is Vladmir levkoev

[final spruce]

Well we are getting a steady supply of new units for the new KT

So who knows what we get in October

[proper helm]

Do you guys think that Genestealer cultists could be intimidated into giving up cult secrets? I'm writing up a Dark Heresy thing

[odd sparrow]

@atomic pelican we require ur bug expertise

[cerulean wagon]

it'd be incredibly difficult, but it would also depend how fresh they are to the cult and what kind of scale of cult you are dealing with

also remember you can have a lot of unwitting "cultists", just gangers who are working for them that don't know the bigger picture

[odd sparrow]

yee i understand that there are sorta tiers to the weird-bug-mind-domination stuff in cults

[atomic pelican]

It depends on the type of cultist like skele said

Some cultists are just humans who are in for the dogma

nonhybrid

Neophytes, hybrids, still feel fear and such too

And aren't completely infallible

The broodmind's control isn't complete as the hivemind is with tyranids

[proper helm]

I see. Are there non-magus psykers in genestealer cults?

[atomic pelican]

Patriarchs

In fluff, none others really. But it can be assumed tha tthere are probably 'lesser' magi

[final spruce]

You could consider to an extend most members have a very low psyker presence, like the orks since they are linked by the Broodmind

[proper helm]

Right, IIRC this is represented by cult units getting a deny the witch ability when near a magus

[atomic pelican]

Yeee what zher said

[final spruce]

Also why in the Eisenhorn Omnibus they are capable of tracking genestealer cultists using psykers

[cerulean wagon]

they also do that in the ciaphas cain books

[proper helm]

Makes sense

speaking of take your bets as to whether or not there's a genestealer DLC for this game eventually

[final spruce]

Would be interesting tbh

[proper helm]

What percentage of light speed do you think an imperial ship could hit outside of the warp?

[cursive hull]

Not enough, tbh.

And, honestly, I don't think they even begin to hit light speed.

Imperial ships aren't all that fast.

If any faction could have a ship that fast using standard engines, its probably the Eldar, even so I doubt they can get too close either.

[odd sparrow]

there is a significant amount of fluff on this from the battlefleet gothic books, but yeah i dont believe any ship has been written as getting close to light speed outside of the warp

warp travel is the 40k FTL travel medium

[peak hamlet]

The tau got no ftl thingy right?

[proper helm]

Right. I’m just doing some rpg stuff and I had the idea that the ship the players were on had to translate out of the warp early leaving them a long way from the star. Could just be basically several AU from the destination

[odd sparrow]

u go into the warp, u sorta bounce on it like the tau have been written as doing, or u use the webway

[peak hamlet]

Which is why they stay in their small hexagon

[proper helm]

Tau ships have warp drives but they’re barely skimming the warp

[odd sparrow]

,, there is also the random ass teleportation stuff u occasionally see but lets ignore that

It's wildly inconsistent for tau

[proper helm]

Isn’t teleportation also warp based

[odd sparrow]

my fav interpretation is the skimming vibe, that they're still using the warp to get FTL travel but it's less effective, but also safer

feels v in character

[odd sparrow]

ye hence why ignoring it

[proper helm]

Ah

[odd sparrow]

it's fucky and idk how much has been written about like,, its actual limitations

[proper helm]

So I’ll have the warp drive crap out and leave them having to burn in realspace for a few months to get in system for repairs. Enough time for the brood brothers on the ship to stage a coup!

[odd sparrow]

yee that def works

bug time

[proper helm]

bug time

[peak hamlet]

BUG TIME

[proper helm]

My players don’t know too much 40k lore so letting them meet the patient zero of the infection and make them likable and then having them unknowingly infect the ship will be fun

[odd sparrow]

I approve

also like,, nerding it out about 40k void stuff, i do lowkey adore how the bfg tt book depicts void combat. like

nova cannon shots have a blast radius of 2000 km, iirc? or maybe 20,000?

I adore it

[proper helm]

That’s big enough to be relevant in space

[odd sparrow]

M E A T Y

[proper helm]

I love it

[peak hamlet]

Excuse me

[odd sparrow]

yee engagement ranges for void combat is like

[peak hamlet]

2000km?

[odd sparrow]

hundred of kilometers

[peak hamlet]

Dayum

[odd sparrow]

wait no like

[proper helm]

Wait that’s a moon

[odd sparrow]

hundreds of thousands of km i mean

[peak hamlet]

Holy shit

Thats sick

[proper helm]

Small ships have the crew of a Nuclear Aircraft carrier and are slightly longer

Those things are floating cities

And that’s corvettes

[odd sparrow]

welcome to: 10km ships

getting flashbacks to that fucking star wars meme

[proper helm]

With chain gangs to load the ammo

[odd sparrow]

the lower decks have declared independence

[proper helm]

Which is so 40k I adore it

[proper helm]

PFFF

[peak hamlet]

Wait but if 10k mk is a normal range for shooting, how do they even ram each other?

[odd sparrow]

that they're still using slaves to load macrocannon shots is still EXTREMELY stupid

[cursive hull]

Its not as common as Battlefleet gothic shows, but it happens enough.

[odd sparrow]

but i can respect it

[proper helm]

It’s big and shiny so it happens more in that game and that’s entirely fine

[cursive hull]

Unless your an Admech ship, then you have mechanisms for that and all the meat bags are scrubbing other parts of the ship in poorly maintained safety suits.

[odd sparrow]

how it was written by phil kelly is that it's a batshit last ditch thing that's usually done when the imperial ship is done for anyways

[peak hamlet]

Yeah but like how do they even get close it enemy ships can shoot at them from 10k km away?

[odd sparrow]

unless ur like, eldar or otherwise have a massive advantage in manoeuvrability, odds are u aren't gonna be able to stop the 10km missile currently railroading towards you at extreme speeds, even if it takes like 6 hours for it to get there

[proper helm]

Cogitators and ballistics

[odd sparrow]

the ship just tanks the shots, so long as it can keep moving forward it can still ram

[proper helm]

Oh yeah

My bad

Imperial ships have really armored prows

[cursive hull]

Heavily armored prows designed specifically for ramming, not to mention going to full burn does allow them to close the gap quick enough.

[odd sparrow]

In phil kellys farsight book it was like, the battle barge was already lowkey infested with daemons and being evacuated, so they just decided fuck it ram it into the tau battleship just as a tpose

tau battleship wasn't able to avoid it so they just had to also evacuate

6 hours later they collide and are both p much floating hulks, but hey at least we took out an enemy battleship with us™️

[peak hamlet]

Would be pretty easy to dodge them tho, considering how much empty space there is and how much distance in between them is

[cursive hull]

Course, said ship incoming can still make course corrections on the way in

[odd sparrow]

ig u can just say that the ramming ship can angle towards it just as fast as the other ship can juke yeah