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atomic pelican
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hm

errant mauve
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GW trying to justify mephiston nowadays is hilarious

atomic pelican
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Im glad I dont read (much)

storm jungle
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Mephiston is basically strong as magnus now lol

errant mauve
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Fans: Why is Mephiston a new Astronomicon?
GW: Because uh... He throws dart follows the psychic trail of uh.... Throws dart the Saguinor! Who uh... Throws dart is fighting the manifestation of the black rage!

atomic pelican
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I hope eldrad dies again because GW justifying killing a named eldar char for funsies then bringing them back is sad hilarious

errant mauve
storm jungle
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aaaaaaaaaa

cerulean wagon
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honestly

errant mauve
cerulean wagon
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theres a reason i dont touch core lore

errant mauve
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I'm not familiar with Eldar lore

cerulean wagon
errant mauve
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TIL!

cerulean wagon
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most recently in the gathering storm he was shot by a deathwatch killteam

errant mauve
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I really need to read some Eldar codices

cerulean wagon
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it was retconned within a month

errant mauve
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Oh

atomic pelican
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Yep

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UNNAMED deathwatch

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I'd like to point out

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Killed by mooks of the edge faction

atomic pelican
cloud kindle
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hey jean

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whens the last time they updated their rules

cerulean wagon
cloud kindle
cerulean wagon
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it was artemis i think

atomic pelican
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Ah were they

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Well I retract that but still

cerulean wagon
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cause they put a box out for it and we got plastic eldrad

weak fern
atomic pelican
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Simce eldrad is like the eldar char atm

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CWE atleast

cerulean wagon
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which tbh

atomic pelican
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Deathwatch

cerulean wagon
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👏

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great model

cloud kindle
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only eldar

atomic pelican
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Also I like plastic eldrad alot

cloud kindle
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tbh

atomic pelican
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Yus

errant mauve
storm jungle
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tbh eldrad's model legit looks great

atomic pelican
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P much all of our books suck

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Our base lore is rlly neat

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But gav hates eldar having a win

storm jungle
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the eldar would lose an entire warhost trying to take a village of like 50 imperials

atomic pelican
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Our coolest faction got p much half killed to feed his shitty ynnari plot

storm jungle
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🧑‍🌾

errant mauve
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Gav really trying for the coveted title of most bastard BL writer

atomic pelican
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Yep

cerulean wagon
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i wont even lie

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hes challenging CS Goto

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like

storm jungle
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oof

cerulean wagon
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its close in my mind

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cause atleast goto is a no name so him doing shit doesnt affect anything too bad

atomic pelican
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Fuck you Gav and your goddamn death cult eldar! Gimme my biel tan focus back

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Green is my favorite color

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And swordwinds are Cool

errant mauve
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I want to give the title to John French but he's honestly a great author

Just bungled it REALLY REALLY REALLY bad with Crimson Fist

atomic pelican
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Atleast GW pulled the plug on Gav's recent eldar shenanigans

weak fern
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🍿 NewGloveDropped

storm jungle
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the worst part is Gav being an old guard so he can basically do whatever the fuck he wants.

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as onut says tho thank god the plug was pulled

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maybe he'll sit his ass down for the the time being

errant mauve
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Gav on his way to ruin 2 editions of guard codex, 4 editions of nid codex, 4 editions of Chaos, and 5 editions of Eldar

atomic pelican
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He cant keep getting away with it

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I rlly cant see how GW sees a book series no ones like and goes "yeah thats fine, keep the guy around"

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While also plug pulling his trilogy

cloud kindle
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they will let him ruin nids first

errant mauve
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I don't think Gav is bad at writing rules I think he has an issue with balancing it around the codices he doesn't Witte

cloud kindle
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just to spite you

atomic pelican
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Gav will be given free reign over all factions in time

errant mauve
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All the codices he writes are very internally balanced

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But when compared to stuff that say

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Kinrade writes

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They're hilariously underpowered

weak fern
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I didnt read a single book...oh yes all of Battle sister

atomic pelican
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Most wise

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I've just finished reading path of the warrior and it has filled me with only sadness

storm jungle
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Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like Black Library will be commissioning any more Rise of the Ynnari. Sales for Wild Rider were below expectation, which I find disappointing because there is clearly an enthusiastic audience for Aeldari fiction and Wild Rider seemed well-received.

errant mauve
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As for being an Iron Warriors player, all hope was lost in 6th edition when they reworked marks of chaos pain

storm jungle
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get fucked gav

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actually while im at it

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im gonna leave a gif of princess zelda going "good" at his tweet

errant mauve
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Tweet from 2020 though kekw

storm jungle
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I know

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but like

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i gotta do this man

cloud kindle
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its fine i know how to find eldar

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eldar primaris

atomic pelican
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God I wish they'd just whole squat the ynnari. They stumped their plot completely anyways

cloud kindle
errant mauve
storm jungle
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there we go

cerulean wagon
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was wild rider the fucking

atomic pelican
cerulean wagon
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garbage one on the maiden world

storm jungle
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iirc yeah

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it was the ynnari trilogy stuff

atomic pelican
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Oh fuck oh god

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Thats right

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I habe to reas more

cerulean wagon
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haha

atomic pelican
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Path of the eldar isnt the end

cloud kindle
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looks fuck the eldar and chaos updates we need more:

errant mauve
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BL on their way to turn all the primarchs into Emo Teens: 🏃

BL when someone suggested retconning a failed Eldar plotline: zerkerdisgust

atomic pelican
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I'm here for emo roboute

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And yeah

errant mauve
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Roboute is such a hypocrite in his novels lmao

atomic pelican
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Honestly all they'd have to do is do what they like the eldar doing anyway

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Losing

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Lose faith in the Yncarne and such since it fucking flopped and go back to their craftworlds/commoragh/troupes

storm jungle
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I guess its time to become an AOS fan, clearly the superior setting sad

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atomic pelican
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It is

errant mauve
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Roboute: Literally earns his most famous title from his rage at the death of Konor

Also Roboute: Angron why are you sad about the deaths of your entire family just get over it lol

atomic pelican
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You know what the worst part is dilara

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I literallt want 40k to be better

storm jungle
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same

atomic pelican
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I mostly was into AoS at start

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But I am literally infatuated with the setting with objectively worse writing and rules

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I hate it

storm jungle
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tbh even though its like decades away i cant wait for when 40k stops making money lol, just so they finally squat this bloated setting kek

cerulean wagon
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Basically proud

storm jungle
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kangaroo eldar is da wei

atomic pelican
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Correct

cerulean wagon
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If you want my advise as someone who has suffered with the setting for waaay too long

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Ignore any new books they make about main characters, main characters arent real and dont exist

errant mauve
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I should just make a list of the most childish shit all the primarchs do in the BL novels.

Then again I can't copy paste all 54 books including them...

atomic pelican
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U right

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Honestly thats what I do, I just like to complain as well omegalul

cerulean wagon
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take the neat points that the new lore brings up, and enjoy the possible implications of it because the galaxy is big enough that implication exists somewhere in the galaxy

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(dw im the same)

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The big one for my is the rift

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the rift was so miss managed

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but

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Wrath and glory has picked it up and ran with it

errant mauve
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I still pretend it's 4th edition.

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I feel this explains my level of cope enough.

cerulean wagon
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so they have their entire setting based around being cut off from the imperium and isolated in a single solar system

storm jungle
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also gw:

atomic pelican
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I just write actual books worth of my own fluff omegalul

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I think elf and I have gotten to like 300 pages+ at this point

cerulean wagon
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literaly its why i run my own RPGs

errant mauve
cerulean wagon
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because it means i can take my own idea of the setting

weak fern
cerulean wagon
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and force people to play through it

atomic pelican
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Yeee

errant mauve
cerulean wagon
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currently got zher playing an ogryn in an inquisitorial investigation campaign

atomic pelican
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Legend

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Has he been kisses yet btw

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If not then why not

errant mauve
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When canon fails to satisfy, plug your ears and pretend it doesn't exist

storm jungle
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Tbh thats like

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the best part of 40k

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you can just do AUs and pick the parts you like accordingly

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since the main body of lore is such a fucking bloated mess

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especially being 30 years old and whatnot

errant mauve
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Added benefit of lack of stale 20 year old memes

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
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He was in a cult hq wasnt he?

cloud kindle
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no kisses

errant mauve
cerulean wagon
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ah right

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they killed a genestealer purestrain

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and then collapsed the tunnel

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and are trying to evacuate the mine currently

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but they think its a cult trap

atomic pelican
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Ahh

storm jungle
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cant be as bad as the genestealer cult from the first Deathwatch book

weak fern
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Speak in english into DH, too hard for me Servoskull

cerulean wagon
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the stealer almost 1 shot the eldar corsair in the party

errant mauve
atomic pelican
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Rip

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Slapped silly by four arms

errant mauve
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What's the party comprised of again?

weak fern
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Yes Dilara, i got basic in english...

errant mauve
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I know Zher is an Ogryn

cerulean wagon
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Eldar Corsair, Imperial fist scout, SoB, Skittarii ranger, pyromancy psyker and an ogryn

weak fern
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The basic for speak (write) with you all. Speak it, too hard

errant mauve
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I'm rooting for the Skittle on principle :P

cloud kindle
weak fern
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Skelly, you got a place for a frenchy boy ?

cerulean wagon
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god i love the fact u keep posting that mullo LUL

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Not at the moment I'm afraid kamelia, 6 man party already

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Plus this is just a short campaign to see how Wrath and glory runs

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its alright, although i still prefer old 40k rpgs over it

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only because its harder for me to custom stat enemies, which i would need to do to deliver the experience i'd want to

weak fern
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I'm trying to makeup a Rogue Trader one, first time to be the GM

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I send them into the First world of Necrontyr and enjoy they suffering.

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😈

cerulean wagon
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haha good luck

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actually @atomic pelican you might find this fun cause the rules for W&G are a bit weird for dmg values

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A acolyte hybrid with its clawd arm actually has better damage stats than a chaos space marine using a chainsword

weak fern
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W&G for playing a Skitarii Vanguard

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Pew pew with radium

atomic pelican
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Accepted as canon

barren tapir
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Skitarii best char!

weak fern
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Yes

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Love your skitarii and your techthrall

barren tapir
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Booooooohhhhh SM

weak fern
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😍

odd sparrow
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admech guns are hot

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maybe all the american gun nuts were onto smthn

weak fern
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I love the fanmade for AdMech pure style, and i'm a big fan of Steampunk Grim

barren tapir
barren tapir
weak fern
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Yes

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A memange of The Order 1887 and Lovecraft with a lot of Catholic creatures

barren tapir
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Oh boy, the order 1887 was amazing

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So, it is a legit style?

weak fern
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Idk XD

barren tapir
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It looks like it is

cerulean wagon
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anything can be a legit style pmuch

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its a big galaxy

weak fern
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Mmmh idk if a picture can represente this

barren tapir
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Moving to offtopic

vapid tiger
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Which he can do every single turn technically

cerulean wagon
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if u got the ruin for it

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still the dmg in hat game is all over the ppace

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autoguns are basically useless

vapid tiger
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He generates 1 ruin at the start of each of his turns

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also yeah autoguns and lasguns start becoming useless after tier 2

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They're still useful up until then tho

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It's like how those kind of weapons became useless in Deathwatch

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Because you played space marines

barren tapir
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Autoguns useless?! What is such heresy?!! Need to check the manual

cerulean wagon
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okay but krug

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the autogun is useless at tier 2

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when im playing with a mostly human party

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they need to roll succes on both ED or an icon do get past the armour of the psyker, let alone the combat characters

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resilience not armour

cerulean wagon
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boltguns do a flat 10 but have some special rules

barren tapir
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Boltguns are broken like SM

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Although i don't get why 7 is just enough to scratch gangers

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It doesn't look that low against humans

cerulean wagon
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most gangers will have like

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5 resilience

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that reduces the dmg by 5 flat

barren tapir
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Oh crap, i confused determination with resilience

cerulean wagon
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i think literaly just

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the way weapons are handled

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or dmg anyway

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is the systems single biggest flaw

barren tapir
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Yeah, they are just nerf gun with this system...

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Do you know if there are ways to port W&G to the d100 system of OW?

cerulean wagon
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nope they are entirely unique and seperate

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u could port the setting and nothing else due ti the dice n stuff

barren tapir
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Eh, i have seen people do crazy stuff with systems, was worth a shoot to ask

cerulean wagon
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like sure they could convert it but it wouldnt be a true conversion

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itd be pure homebrew

storm jungle
barren tapir
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Dumb patchy reason

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Unless you tell me that people don't think that getting plasma in da face isn't painful

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If i shoot something i expect it do die and feel pain, the same with melee weapon and flamers

rotund siren
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Perhaps it's supposed to be about the mythos behind these things? Like, there is a sort of reverence even today regarding swords and shit, so maybe that's why

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but it is still kinda weird

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because bolters, being the weapons of the Adeptus Astartes, should have a fucking massive mythos behind them

odd sparrow
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it's a sorta cool explanation, i do like the whole vibe with the imperium using psychology and imagery as literal weapons vs daemons

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cus they're meant to be psychic creatures

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it adds a nice dimension to an otherwise not v interesting ~evil faction~

restive turtle
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Symbolism and concepts have huge impacts in the warp, and the swords just has a wider history back to ancient times.

barren tapir
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Symbolism is extremely important when dealing with warp entities yeah

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But as said by Sol the bolter has even a greater symbol than a sword

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Flamers i can understand, since ol saying that fire clean everything

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It is just a way to explain those the use of swords in such an advanced setting

cerulean wagon
barren tapir
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And since there are no reason for them to be present it is also a dumb explanation

odd sparrow
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so basically

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daemons are sword lesbians

storm jungle
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LOL

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owned

cerulean wagon
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so where ye a bolter is badass and deadly, its just a weapon

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swords and other melee implements are much more then that

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same for fire

storm jungle
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But yeah like

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this is stupid lore

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so you can just ignore it

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which is fine

cerulean wagon
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the fun thing is

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its dumb lore but its true irl

barren tapir
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Gonna go punch a demon with a shield and see if it is effective

cerulean wagon
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if i post a gun i'll get questions asking if im american

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if i post a sword people go "oh cool"

restive turtle
barren tapir
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By this reasoning then axes shouldn't be effective, but they are

storm jungle
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Yeah see what i mean lmao

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its just a one-note lore excerpt

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its not that important or prominent

barren tapir
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Also clubs, but we know that clubs are used and are effectve

restive turtle
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Axes are melee weapons and on that alone have more symbolism

storm jungle
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gonna fuckin' bonk these demons with my cavemen weapons

cerulean wagon
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it applies to melee in general, because there is a reverance for the old ways

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vikings, knights, samurai

barren tapir
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It seems dumb to me

cerulean wagon
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people to this day still make myths about them

barren tapir
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First it is "oh because sword" then get "oh because melee", no it is just dumb

cerulean wagon
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its incredibly dumb, but its something thats true even outside of the setting

final spruce
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But bows are as old

restive turtle
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It started out with being just dumb, then it became about symbolism.

cerulean wagon
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i used the sword as an example

barren tapir
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Crossbows

final spruce
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Why not power bow with metla bomb arrow ?

cerulean wagon
barren tapir
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Gonna shoot demons with bows like mad jack with nazis

restive turtle
final spruce
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yeah but bows are older than crossbows

storm jungle
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owned

final spruce
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And yes I remember about the inquisition crossbow bolters

barren tapir
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Bows are actually used by escher lol

cursive hull
cerulean wagon
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just ease of use, a bow would still be effective, but a sword is a much easier backup to a bow

final spruce
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give me custodes with big ass bows

barren tapir
final spruce
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Dark soul moment

cerulean wagon
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like legit that would work zherlum

barren tapir
cerulean wagon
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its just who tf is gonna carry a bow and the needed ammo into combat alongside a gun

restive turtle
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Someone would do it

barren tapir
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BTW how flamers work then? They aren't old

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It is just the flame?

cerulean wagon
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just the flame

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doesnt need to be a flamer, any source of fire works

restive turtle
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"Purge the darkness in holy fire".

barren tapir
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Then if i spit fire i could cause the same damage

errant mauve
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My limited edition copy of Storm of Iron came in grin

cerulean wagon
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its just flamers are generally useful outside of their anti demon applications

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And yes

barren tapir
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Ok, so lets molotov the demons

cerulean wagon
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yup

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that would work

barren tapir
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Bring in my incendiary rounds too

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Time to light the galaxy up

cerulean wagon
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priests are known to use improvised incedary bombs

restive turtle
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Sisters of Battle go wooooh

barren tapir
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Oh, wait, abaddon what are you doing, let the galaxy burn? That seems counterproductive

cerulean wagon
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abaddons an idiot

barren tapir
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Lol

restive turtle
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And he doesnt care about the Gods anyway

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If he can stab them he will

cerulean wagon
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but ye basically its not just swords and its not just melee

barren tapir
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Well, what about lasguns, didn't they kinda light up the surface they hit?

cerulean wagon
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its just that swords are more convenient to carry

barren tapir
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Lasguns FTW against demons

restive turtle
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Shovels is where its at

cerulean wagon
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lasguns rarely spark fires unfortunatley

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its laser tech

restive turtle
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I still want a Krieg Commissar with a Power Shovel

barren tapir
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They should still affect them, they burn the surface

restive turtle
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They do effect them tho

cerulean wagon
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its not the damage type, its the manifestation

barren tapir
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I mean, laser heat up the surface they hit

restive turtle
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Its just diddle

cerulean wagon
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it needs to be an actual fire

barren tapir
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Bah, it seems made up...

cerulean wagon
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because it is the belief in the purifying properties of flame

odd sparrow
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ye it's not based on actual like, physical properties

cerulean wagon
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it is made up lmao, but people have believed this for thousands of years

odd sparrow
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it's purely psychology

cerulean wagon
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witch hunts and all that

barren tapir
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I know that some witch trials required to drown the witch lol

cursive hull
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So...

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Shotguns and dragonsbreath rounds

barren tapir
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Oooh, that too

restive turtle
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I mean the Nids dont like it

cerulean wagon
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in theory yes, although not as effective as a molotov

barren tapir
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See, guns are effective

cerulean wagon
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since a molotov is true flame

storm jungle
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but yeah

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long story short

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dumb excerpt

restive turtle
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no bad

storm jungle
barren tapir
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It is just a dumb explanation to justify swords in the setting

storm jungle
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You wont really miss anything by forgetting it exists

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because sword go swoosh

storm jungle
barren tapir
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Also brrr

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Remember chainswords

storm jungle
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so trying to argue "it makes sense" is pretty pointless

cerulean wagon
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🤷 it makes reasonable sense as far as demon stuff

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because ye

restive turtle
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It justify it against daemons, why they use it against most other things is where its at.

storm jungle
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Imperium just likes melee

cerulean wagon
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its a belief carried IRL

cursive hull
cerulean wagon
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not just in universe

storm jungle
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then its just a rabbit hole from there

barren tapir
restive turtle
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Albeit I do understand why they would have them as side arms against Eldar

cursive hull
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With Orks in setting... I'd kinda get if humanity just accepted melee was never going to go fully out of style and just leaned into it.

storm jungle
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^

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Like i said that lore excerpt has way too many plotholes

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its just something a 30k writer put in since they thought it sounded cool

barren tapir
cerulean wagon
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its not even plotholes

restive turtle
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I dont know if I would call it plotholes

cursive hull
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That's mostly because they could afford to do so, Blank.

odd sparrow
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melee exists in 40k cus it's cool and has been a part of the aesthetics of the setting from day 1

cursive hull
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They have Kroot for that.

barren tapir
odd sparrow
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any explanation isn't gonna make full sense

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or any sense tbh

cursive hull
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Rule of cool

restive turtle
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primarily

odd sparrow
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40k is space fantasy not like, hardcore sci fi that has to explain why ppl would be using swords when laser guns exist

storm jungle
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^

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its why i roll my eyes when like

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40k writers think they're smart

cursive hull
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Sorta like Star Wars in that case.

storm jungle
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they arent lol

restive turtle
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And Halo

cerulean wagon
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its why its fine cause like

primal tide
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Or why space based civilizations fight on the ground so much

restive turtle
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Aaaand Starcraft

cursive hull
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Star Wars had melee weapons in it since prior to the lightsaber even existing.

cerulean wagon
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its a universe where demons are manifestations of emotion

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its fine for a weapon to work a specific way against them because of an emotional belief

restive turtle
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In Starcraft, the standard infantry are shielded and only wield power weapons

odd sparrow
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star wars is a lil more excusable just cus like, 99% of the ppl use guns

cerulean wagon
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🤷

storm jungle
odd sparrow
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tho it's still space fantasy so yeah

storm jungle
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"we gotta take ground man"

odd sparrow
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tbh void shields are a passable explanation for it imo

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it's how most settings approach the whole like

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why not just blast it from orbit issue

cerulean wagon
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its the same reason any setting has ground combat

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also blasting from orbit is just a waste of potential resources

odd sparrow
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yee. it's just we have to fight on the ground cus big projectiles from space bounce off the enemy shields around their key assets

storm jungle
odd sparrow
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If it wasn't for it then like, the war would be basically entirely decided by the ships above it

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which isn't great for bolter porn

cerulean wagon
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also its not like every battle is a land battle

cursive hull
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And also, a lack of precision when engaging in orbital bombardment.

odd sparrow
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that would become nova cannon porn

cerulean wagon
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going back to the damoclyse crusade

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the imperium just

odd sparrow
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not as engaging™️

cerulean wagon
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bombed some planets

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because their importance was negligable

odd sparrow
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yee

storm jungle
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your importance is negligable

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smh

primal tide
restive turtle
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Often the Imperium wants to keep planets if they can to help support local wars

errant mauve
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Fighting on ground = cool and ebic, sells toys 😎

Fighting 8 kilometres away = does not sell toys zerkerdisgust

primal tide
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Fine, ground battles are fine okay

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Sheesh haha

cerulean wagon
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smh, dilara throwin a wobbly cause the explanations are fine

storm jungle
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die

cerulean wagon
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plz

storm jungle
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also oh my god

odd sparrow
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Plus i choose to believe that most like, big hives and whatever with the big fuckoff static cannon emplacements can actually threaten ships in some capacity

storm jungle
#

the fucking cartoony ass vampire teeth

odd sparrow
#

,, what model is that

primal tide
#

Pointy

odd sparrow
#

khorne zerkers?

errant mauve
#

Ye

odd sparrow
#

man it's been a while

errant mauve
#

22 y old models now

restive turtle
#

1'st edition was an alien realm

primal tide
#

Imagine all the lettuce that gets wedged in there

cerulean wagon
#

finally,a model to talk about that i am older than

storm jungle
#

Dear GW, stop being dipshits and update your models

errant mauve
#

1999 was 3rd edition roat
CSM didn't exist in any meaningful way in 1st.

errant mauve
storm jungle
#

AAAA

cerulean wagon
#

buy primaris

storm jungle
#

let your country control your soul etc

errant mauve
#

I really hope there's a second wave of CSM updates

#

But I doubt there will be

odd sparrow
#

u got ur new CSM kit

errant mauve
#

Rooting for the Eldar now

odd sparrow
#

be satisfied we're not gonna touch u until 2030

storm jungle
#

like, i get that they dont want to invest in models that might not sell

BUT MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD FUCKING BUY THEM IF YOU UPDATED 10+ YEAR OLD MODELS

#

and its not just eldar

#

like

odd sparrow
#

nah we're gonna update a single kit in a vastly outdated range

storm jungle
#

so many

errant mauve
# odd sparrow u got ur new CSM kit

Daily reminder the kit contains 9 chainswords, 7 Bolters, and 8 bolt pistols so you purposefully can't make a unit of 10 with any specific weapon set

restive turtle
#

Its an evil circle. They dont update them because people dont buy them, and people dont buy them because they dont update them.

errant mauve
odd sparrow
#

when this single kit doesn't suddenly sell massively we shall conclude that we shouldn't update the range

storm jungle
#

Corpo Simulator 2021

restive turtle
#

GW is greedy and dont have the balls to take chances with most things.

storm jungle
#

well put buddy

restive turtle
#

That is also why we haven't got good shows or movies, they dont take the risk. Which would be fine in a lot of cases but they really overdo it more than other companies.

storm jungle
errant mauve
#

Also, the thing is stuff like Chaos did sell really well, Chaos was the highest selling army in 3rd and 4th. GW then proceeded to butcher their codex and lore and not touch them for 4.5 editions

restive turtle
#

Was that before or after Legendary Ward

errant mauve
#

Bout uhhh

cerulean wagon
#

speaking of eldar and updates

errant mauve
#

A year before ward?

#

It was Thorpe that fucked the CSM codex

cerulean wagon
#

@atomic pelican how goes the war on books?

restive turtle
#

Because I imagine Wards Ultramarines and Greyknights did not do good on the Chaos sales

errant mauve
#

The best way I can put it is that the 3.5 codex was so well made that GW decided a just punishment was to make the CSM codex "SM but objectively worse" for 5 editions.

storm jungle
#

cant wait for chaos primaris

errant mauve
restive turtle
#

I recall Ward wanted the Nids and Necrons gone

primal tide
#

Are we wardposting again

final spruce
#

Did we ever Wardpost tho ?

primal tide
#

p sure it has happened

atomic pelican
frosty cobalt
final spruce
#

Alright

#

I'm joining the mining

final spruce
#

"I know that’s an intact Standard Template weapons maker. And I know that’s as
unheard of as a well-manicured ork.”

#

“Sixty years ago on Geyluss Auspix, a rat-water world a long way from nothing
in Pleigo Sutarnus, a team of Imperial scouts found an intact STC in the ruins of a pyramid city in a
jungle basin. Intact. You know what it made? It was the Standard Template Constructor for a type of
steel blade, an alloy of folded steel composite that was sharper and lighter and tougher than anything
we’ve had before. Thirty whole Chapters of the great Astartes are now using blades of the new
pattern. The scouts became heroes. I believe each was given a world of his own. It was regarded as
the greatest technological advance of the century, the greatest discovery, the most perfect and valuable
STC recovery in living memory.”

#

So that's where your lore comes from Skely

cerulean wagon
#

lore for what?

final spruce
#

In general

#

I was just curious where you got that extract about STC finders getting a planet

#

Now I know

cerulean wagon
#

ah fair

final spruce
#

Damn

#

I just finished First and Only

#

Dan you absolute fool you got me

cerulean wagon
#

Haha

#

whats up?

final spruce
#

How do I do spoilers again ?

cerulean wagon
#

|| at the start and end

final spruce
#

Oh you can also do it by hand now

#

||Didn't expect Fereyd to be the one mind-controlled by Heldane||

#

T'was a surprise

cerulean wagon
#

Haha, pretty fun book tho right?

final spruce
#

Yes

#

Even with my horrible headache I still want more

cerulean wagon
#

well

#

like another 20 books

final spruce
#

Damn its late and my headache is worsening, time to pop a pill and go to sleep

#

I'll finish tomorrow

#

222/234

gaunt vector
#

gn symp

final spruce
#

Really outta change this nickname

gaunt vector
restive turtle
#

The Gaunt Ghosts series I have heard to be one of 40k lores gems.

final spruce
#

I like it

#

The first books are old now, 20 something years old

#

But they still hold up

restive turtle
#

22 years old. Imagine Dan 22 years ago.

#

And yea, my brother has been power reading the Gaunts Ghost series and was surprised at how well written they were, and how much they add up to modern lore still.

#

I think he is completely done or close to

final spruce
#

Well they "add up" as much as they are the foundation of guard lore

restive turtle
#

fair point

final spruce
#

Dan said it himself, he was disappointed about how IG had no lore outside their weapons and tactics so he dicded to do all that was around, between logistics to food, etc

restive turtle
#

He is now reading some of the Cadia books and will possibly start on Yarrick thereafter

final spruce
#

Sadly Yarrick was thrown at the side of the road like an old dog

#

Since now Ghaz's rivalry is with the space wolves

restive turtle
#

o havent heard

final spruce
#

Yeah

#

Ghaz beat Yarrick, amde him his prisoners

#

But let him go because he wanted a good fight

#

Then suddenly Ghaz goes on a waaagh on another wrold, get beheaded by Blackmane

#

Then they go : We can fix him we got the technology

#

Give him a big ass mech

restive turtle
#

He got beheaded my Blackmane?

final spruce
#

Yes

restive turtle
#

Ghaz is going places

final spruce
restive turtle
#

Isnt that more like giant power armor

#

Well there might be an overlap that is hard to tell the difference

final spruce
#

Not really

#

Hell his new mini considers him as a vehicle now

vapid tiger
#

They gave him a vat grown new body and attached his head to it

#

Then gave him bigger armor

#

But yeah he can reliably kill guilliman in close combat on the tabletop now

final spruce
#

Alot can

#

A simple SoB captain with a relic weapon can

vapid tiger
#

yeah but like

He stomps him into the ground

restive turtle
#

Lost to Blackmane but can beat Roboute

final spruce
#

But in short, now Ghaz has forgotten about his old bromance with Yarrick

#

Don't mind what Krug said he mentionned tabletop

#

But yeah, after getting his new body, Ghaz went and beat the shit outta Blackmane

restive turtle
#

o

final spruce
#

Even if its described as a draw slightly at the advantage of Ghaz

#

But yeah, Yarrick is done

#

:salute:

restive turtle
#

Well Ghaz grew up, he had to move along in his life.

#

One of them had to do the hard choice

final spruce
#

Which is good, they finally got him out of that IG standstill and got him moving, he even got that Super sayan pwoerup on near death experience

#

GW does very little with IG so Ghaz fighting SM is better for him

#

Sadly its Gav that's handling the Wolves

restive turtle
#

Thorp?

final spruce
#

Yes

#

The very same that got his eldar trilogy revoked by GW

#

Because he was that bad

atomic pelican
#

thank you go dgw

final spruce
#

The book I mentionned

atomic pelican
#

the only good decision gw has made with 40k was cancelling the ynnari series

final spruce
#

Lmao

#

So by googling wolftime

restive turtle
#

I thought I had read a novel by Gav

final spruce
#

I discovered that in France, there is a furry game that is about taking care of magic wolves called Wolftime

restive turtle
#

ono

atomic pelican
#

also written by gav thorpe

final spruce
#

"Closed Game"

#

Oh well this game had the same fate as Ynnari trilogy

#

Really was done by Gav

barren tapir
#

I'm seeing a pattern here, and i'm not sure i like it

gaunt vector
#

I think that the most suprising thing here is the sight of space wolves actually wearing helmets

#

of course, none of the named characters are

#

but they are named characters

odd sparrow
#

helmets are for pussies

atomic pelican
#

Wolves have little to protect in their heads

gaunt vector
atomic pelican
#

Oh no

#

Wolves are my fave chapter actually

#

I just love them because of that

gaunt vector
#

ah nice

atomic pelican
gaunt vector
obsidian chasm
#

That is all

peak hamlet
obsidian chasm
gusty fulcrum
restive turtle
#

This is my favorite lore

errant mauve
#

"All of which is to say that Honsou isn't done with me, and I'm not done with him." -Graham McNeill

#

What a good day to be an IW fan grin

peak hamlet
#

Blessed

errant mauve
#

I CAME

SPOILER_unknown.png
#

This is a certified poggers moment

#

10 years of waiting was all worth it

barren tapir
#

Ok, but what are we looking at?

smoky ferry
#

how || pertuabo became a demonprince ||

final spruce
#

How Perty went full Ferrus Manus, and once you go Ferrus Manus you never go back

barren tapir
#

Amazing how i get more confused

smoky ferry
#

if you search the planets name, the first thing that comes up is the 40k lexicanium

#

that page will let you fill in the blanks

errant mauve
#

Alrighty

#

So

#

I finished the 2 short stories

#

There are some thoughts to be had

#

|| - Iron Warriors seem to actually have swelled significantly in numbers since even the Great Crusade, Dassadra, a veteran of the long war, describes how if the entire legion were to engage the Imperium, they would make the Expeditionary Fleets of the GC look like scouting parties||
||- Perturabo seems oddly stable in these stories, to the degree of sounding like a Stern Dad when talking to Honsou. He teaches Honsou new strategems of war and lectures him on his talents and weaknesses, even praising him at times.||
||- Olympia was not the idyllic paradise people thought it was, Perturabo talks about Khalanos Moran, a Warlord on Olympia who made the great wall of China but out of corpses and brick, which bled red thanks to the salt from the Mortar||
||- Khalan-Gol, Barban Falk and later Honsou's fortress is named after the "Red Wall" of Khalanos Moran||
||- Honsou is built like a god damn brick shithouse, described to have the Broad physique of an Iron Warrior and the height of an Imperial Fist||
||- Barban Falk was "guided" by the voices of the Red Wall after the events of Angel Exterminatus||
||- Honsou seems to have had his conversation with Perturabo before the 13th Black Crusade, McNeil also hints that the IW are going to pull something big in the near future||

barren tapir
#

Oooohhhh, interesting

errant mauve
#

Oh wait

#

forgot a big one

#

||-Perturabo seems to be able to restrict or at least bind chaos to himself in some manner, to the point where he still appears to operate with Autonomy||

primal tide
#

Perty not getting portrayed shittily? Be still my heart

errant mauve
vapid tiger
#

||Perturabo has matured it seems||

#

||and by that I mean got written well for once||

marsh grail
#

If the death korps of krieg is like WWI surely they use whistles to give orders but how do they blow them with a gas mask on? Is it built in or do they use some other way?

crisp heath
#

I’m sure they have communications in their gas mask

marsh grail
#

That’s the logical assumption however I believe they attach a whistle to the exhaust diaphragm in the mask like those lip blowers you got at birthday parties.

crisp heath
#

Lol

marsh grail
#

This but krieg

image0.webp
cursive hull
#

That'd kinda clutter it up

#

...Then again

#

I'm thusly presuming the Imperium has a straw for drinking canteens in those masks.

#

And it seems just grimderp enough for them not to have those.

#

Also makes me wonder what they use as filter material.

#

...And it better not be grimderp and be space aspestos.

marsh grail
#

Do you really expect any krieger to live long enough to suffer from lung cancer?

#

And even if they did well just clone another. Your lung cancer helps the imperium.

#

Get a new lung from the mechanicus if you are a commissary or something.

slim hearth
#

so any news of darktide?

rotund siren
#

this is the lore channel

marsh grail
slim hearth
#

ops wrong

#

forgot i was reading this

#

👀

odd tulip
#

Guardsmen are not given kazoos, they are given the NOBLE and GLORIOUS whistle and they do NOT work

vast frigate
tawdry wyvern
rose thorn
#

wait a fucking second, ar ethere female necrons?

cursive hull
#

Yes?

final spruce
#

Yes

odd sparrow
#

i guess

cursive hull
#

They weren't always death robots, they were biological once.

odd sparrow
#

but they're just gonna look like regular tinbois

final spruce
#

The nobles still identifies to their former gender

final spruce
rose thorn
#

i know but like, would females have different bodies?

odd sparrow
#

regular tinbois with uh, effeminate metal clothes?

rose thorn
#

in robo form

odd sparrow
#

probs not, it would be dumb

final spruce
#

It's the same body yeah, no metal boobs

odd sparrow
#

c'tan no care about gender

final spruce
#

Just effeminate jewelry, clothes etc

odd sparrow
#

c'tan just care about eating ur soul and turning u into a t800

final spruce
#

Maybe the metal dreads

#

For the Lord I'm thinking about

peak hamlet
#

Necrontits when

odd sparrow
#

never

final spruce
odd sparrow
#

no tits for tau either and daemonettes have also developed a sense of decency

final spruce
#

I mean 3d creators

peak hamlet
#

😭

final spruce
#

But I think that's unsavoury

odd sparrow
#

booba is becoming a rarer commodity by the minute

#

and ye horny knockoff 40k models are jank af

final spruce
#

Thing is, whatever the way you put it, small paintable horny miniature will always be weird

peak hamlet
#

I mean yeah i dont want horny minis either but what was the problem with the old daemonettes?

#

Or like the fw keeper of secrets

#

Slannesh is meant to go tit isn't it?

odd sparrow
odd sparrow
peak hamlet
#

Then retcon slaanesh 😡

odd sparrow
#

if u wanna justify it beyond making them less obviously boobs sell, it def also did contribute to the flanderisation of slaanesh in the fanbase

storm jungle
#

boobs are very good creations

#

🙏

odd sparrow
#

ye but if i want boobs

peak hamlet
#

Based

odd sparrow
#

which i do

#

i can find them in many places outside of small models of crab ladies

storm jungle
#

smh ratty i cant believe this

odd sparrow
#

it's suboptimal

peak hamlet
#

I mean yes, dont add tits so they sell better (im looking at you creature caster) but like gw really went into the no tit direction for reasons

#

Exception: latest dark eldar hq

storm jungle
#

because warhammer is pg13

native surge
#

elf ^^

storm jungle
#

people getting fucking torn apart is allowed tho

#

or that szeras mini where he uh

odd sparrow
#

cus it was dumb and purely meant to appeal to neckbeards

storm jungle
#

visibly liquifies a person fucking alive

peak hamlet
native surge
#

what did i join pepeCross

odd sparrow
#

literally nothing remarkable

storm jungle
#

Yep

#

but yeah Its basically the norms we developed as a society was what i always got from it

#

aka shunning nudity but decapitating someone is okay

#

lol

peak hamlet
#

Like if you get dudes getting flayed alive thats ok but HOLY SHIT A TIT NO DELETE AAAAAA

peak hamlet
odd sparrow
#

tbh the new daemonettes are way better designed anyways

#

i love the hermaphrodite vibes

storm jungle
#

Another remark i always liked, theres this vampire movie called From Dusk Till Dawn, the vampires in that get killed in ridiculously brutal ways right?

But Tarantino on the audio track for the movie is like "Censorship is bullshit, its why we made the vampire blood green. That way it can sell more and doesnt get age-restricted for having the color red."

#

so this principle clearly has holes lol

peak hamlet
odd sparrow
#

yeah that's how they lost booba

#

slaanesh range got updated

storm jungle
#

Wait till you see the BDMSdites of Slaanesh hobo

#

it has got guys in it

peak hamlet
#

Or do you mean the very old but not that old only 1 tit ones?

storm jungle
#

Nah the new ones

#

in that they got the man-breast exposed, and the chick one covered up

odd sparrow
peak hamlet
storm jungle
odd sparrow
#

A. u can make them hot without doing full nudity
B. include slutty men too

peak hamlet
storm jungle
#

the old dark eldar wyches had that

odd sparrow
#

figures

storm jungle
#

literal tiny elf men in thongs

odd sparrow
#

the old deldar range also gave us the fucking vect slaves

storm jungle
#

god

peak hamlet
odd sparrow
#

so i can't forgive it

storm jungle
#

those got removed for looking fugly af

#

it wasnt even the nudity

odd sparrow
#

they were just awful

storm jungle
#

terror

#

also the gimp mandrakes

odd sparrow
#

with the fucking giant nipples poking through their princess leia outfits

#

god i'm traumatised

storm jungle
#

sddfsksd

#

never again

odd sparrow
#

no more

storm jungle
#

now eldar will never get models

#

the best solution to fight nudity

native surge
odd sparrow
#

dont need nudity if ur doing exodites

peak hamlet
#

God the eldar "slaves" with their fucking abs

storm jungle
#

good stuff

#

😎

native surge
#

oh well time to go slay some raki 🪓 angryslayer 🪓

peak hamlet
#

Based

#

Do you know how skaven reproduce shergrim?

native surge
peak hamlet
#

Im going to tell you anyway

odd sparrow
#

dont

#

edgelord

peak hamlet
#

||They basically feed female ones up with drugs and rape them||

native surge
#

as long as there are enough around for me to slay idc

#

ok wtf

odd sparrow
#

oh shut the fuck up

peak hamlet
#

Hate skaven more now

peak hamlet
native surge
#

is that canon or what

peak hamlet
native surge
#

oof that is dark

peak hamlet
#

Idk who at gw thought thats a good idea

native surge
#

dunno but i bet he worked on goblin slayer too

rose thorn
#

any good ways to make a beastmen skitarii?

odd sparrow
#

how about u stick edgy GW fluff under a spoiler so not everyone who opens an innocuous channel needs to read it ❤️

peak hamlet
#

My bad 😔

storm jungle
#

tbh its not that edgy as most things go, but you shouldnt tell it that bluntly in a public chat lul

rose thorn
#

whoops wrong chat

odd sparrow
#

GW has like seven individual examples of the exact same thing

native surge
#

@peak hamlet i'll kill them with renewed fervor now npnp

odd sparrow
#

cus it's written by sweaty edgy nerds from the 80s and 90s

storm jungle
#

deviantart writers smh

peak hamlet
#

How do i spoiler on mobile 🥲

storm jungle
#

||

#

these ^

peak hamlet
peak hamlet
gaunt vector
#

maybe just hold down on what u have written, it may give a menu that u can use

peak hamlet
#

Nah, doesnt work on mobile

#

Oh oh oh also ||the skaven get fed up so badly they bloat up till they cant move||

#

Idk man on the one hand "no tit!!!!" and on the other hand skaven reproduction and demonculaba

odd sparrow
#

Big difference between some edgy stuff from a single GW writer and the actual model range

peak hamlet
#

They like gave it a go anyway

#

I get annoying when im tired, gonna leave for today, sry for the crap i wrote

errant mauve
dark shoal
#

still waiting

ionic tree
#

Me wanty harlequin career

#

Billy Herrington career for big guy too would be nice

tawdry wyvern
storm jungle
#

Kryptman got an update lol

peak hamlet
#

Dayum

#

Luv it

storm jungle
#

ngl still hate this artist

#

the caricature lines are so distracting

peak hamlet
#

Dilly hating for no reason

#

Smh my head

storm jungle
#

It looks like shit kek

peak hamlet
#

U looks like shit >:c

peak hamlet
peak hamlet
rotund siren
storm jungle
#

I just dont like this artist constantly scribbling

rotund siren
storm jungle
#

Yep thank you

#

Warhammer art usually tended to look good from most distances

#

when you zoom into these ones they really look bad

#

Especially compared to ones like this

#

Where you can literally see every single detail on the armor and whatnot

peak hamlet
storm jungle
#

Kryptman's rogue trader era art looks better than this kek

rotund siren
#

oof

peak hamlet
storm jungle
#

Die™️

peak hamlet
#

IM SORRY DILLY BUT WHAT THE FUCK

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rotund siren
#

but she is right about the pauldron

#

the new one looks like a kid's scribbles

#

with a marker

storm jungle
#

Just dont zoom in and i guess its okay lul

rotund siren
#

and not something actually engraved

peak hamlet
#

Yeah the pauldron is fine

#

(the old one)

storm jungle
#

smh

#

also cant wait for people to debate if Kryptman nuking worlds was justified or not

peak hamlet
#

But thats literally it, the rest of the old art looks shit

storm jungle
#

Silence

peak hamlet
#

IM RIGHT THO

gusty fulcrum
#

the face look fine

peak hamlet
#

The new one looks better, the only problem is the pauldron

#

I do prefer the pauldron from the old art but thats it

#

Have you seen the .. what are those even? Cherubs?

gusty fulcrum
#

no show me

#

these supposed cherubs

peak hamlet
#

Or the tomatoe on his gun

gusty fulcrum
#

oh i thought you were talking botu soem otehr image

#

yes those would be cherubs beign shown as distant

peak hamlet
#

Tomatoe

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gusty fulcrum
#

cherubs could get very personalyzed and shit

storm jungle
#

whats the english name shit

#

those little ring thingies on guns you use to attach around straps and such

peak hamlet
gusty fulcrum
#

cuz they be styling on you yo

peak hamlet
gusty fulcrum
#

and i wouldnt be surprised if theyre some inside history joke

#

like ones suppose to be napoleon

#

and the otehr davey crocket?

peak hamlet
gusty fulcrum
#

well thats the old art

#

they werent the focus of the image

peak hamlet
gusty fulcrum
#

wonder if the same person

peak hamlet
#

Doubt it but yeah a similarity is definitevely there

final spruce
#

Ah, Dilara complaining about art

storm jungle
peak hamlet
#

No u

#

😳

vapid tiger
cerulean wagon
#

I think what sucks with the new art

#

is its a good art piece

#

its just not fucking finished

storm jungle
#

LUL couldnt have said it better myself

#

It feels incredibly rushed but im 80% sure its what the art directors want the artist to do instead

gusty fulcrum
odd sparrow
#

i imagine it's a stylistic thing, it can't be that much work to define the corners of smthn

#

i honestly highkey dont mind it

gusty fulcrum
#

maybe theyre going for wierd fade out kinda vibe?

odd sparrow
#

a lot of the newer pieces are like, aesthetically/colour pallet/atmospherically way better to the og higher detailed stuff

#

which is what i care about more than detail

dim totem
#

wait whose art is this?

#

i like it

storm jungle
gusty fulcrum
#

da fuk?

storm jungle
#

Also

#

This seems less stylish to be and more lazy, like some of it is legit awful

atomic pelican
#

That big fucking hat

dim totem
#

why are people hating on art i think is totally fine

gusty fulcrum
#

maybe smudgey artstyles are in?

dim totem
#

i dont like the smoke on that last one

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other than that that commissar might scare the fear of god into me

frosty cobalt
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Its the style choice

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Made to look like it was painted

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With oils or smth

dim totem
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the smoke looks like someone messed up a photocopy

frosty cobalt
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Lol, but yea i agree with the others, the super smudge look really doesnt look good imo. I love the more detailed stuff, helps flesh out the character, rather than a blob of color

gusty fulcrum
dim totem
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blurriness?

gusty fulcrum
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smudgyness

dim totem
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on the smoke?

gusty fulcrum
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the whole image is kinda smudgey

dim totem
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it looks like the smoke should have been more detailed like this was the base

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the rest seems ok to me

gusty fulcrum
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oh looks to me even when zoomed theres no hard outlines and its looks more smudgey

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not in a bad way

storm jungle
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its not that hard to get lol

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the smudge is just too much

vast frigate
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thats your opinion

gusty fulcrum
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maybe theyre going for a painting sorta look?

vast frigate
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thanks and goobye

gusty fulcrum
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cuz it makes me think of a painting

dim totem
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it do

storm jungle
vast frigate
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monke

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that is what you are