"space marines are heroes" yes I would be too if I were trained from birth and a genetically engineered weapon of war with power armour and absurd weapons
#40k-lore-chat
plucky moth
odd sparrow
no battles it's just the ~old ancient war thing~
odd sparrow
like the first war against chaos in warhammer fantasy
storm jungle
the end
odd sparrow
tau gang
storm jungle
Po Gang
odd sparrow
we're never gonna expand cus GW wrote us into a corner and doesn't care about us anymore
cloud kindle
:(
plucky moth
Tau get it hard mode because of GW writing
odd sparrow
we're stuck as a dot on the map forever
cloud kindle
though i am IG gang
odd sparrow
look, tau gang and IG gang are natural allies
we're the reasonable military alliance
cloud kindle
hisses in loyalist
plucky moth
we're all out here like "at least we aren't the kroot"
glad prism
In Minecraft
odd sparrow
DONT RUB SALT IN THAT WOUND
vapid tiger
Many of 40k's tone problems circle back to space marine marketing
Which extends to the horus heresy nowadays because that too has influenced how fans see 40k and the 40k imperium despite the first HH novel basically being "lol the Imperium sucks, it always sucked, lol"
odd sparrow
my poor kroot ;-;
plucky moth
Kroot deserve better
glad prism
But also in 40k, as they should be
plucky moth
those wonderful bois
cloud kindle
dont those cheeky fuckers have an STC
glad prism
those wonderful bois
Vespids do be stylin' too
cloud kindle
arent vespids like mind controlled
storm jungle
Marines dying is the best plot narrative in 40k
storm jungle
arent vespids like mind controlled
No uh, thats the Imperials
odd sparrow
idk the design is dated and idk what like, unique thing they're meant to do?
primal tide
Vespids are stinky
odd sparrow
Kroot are important
vapid tiger
arent vespids like mind controlled
They weren't in 3rd but then gw said "lol maybe the helmets they wear mind control them"
cloud kindle
no thats mind wiped
vapid tiger
because they wanted to grimderp the tau
odd sparrow
kroot are meant to give the tau a durable meatshield frontline
cloud kindle
very different
odd sparrow
And yeah the attempts to grimdark the tau are almost always god awful
storm jungle
gonna wipe you in a second
cloud kindle
thank you
vapid tiger
at this point I'm convinced that the only reason they grimderp tau is because of that initial dumbass fan reaction to them in 3rd
odd sparrow
like oh look the ethereals mind control everyone through pheromones! like a n t s
plucky moth
the tau should be grimdark in like y'know...a subversive sense
odd sparrow
or the ethereals are basically disney villains!
plucky moth
not yeah cartoonish shit
vapid tiger
the tau should be grimdark in like y'know...a subversive sense
That's what I try to say
odd sparrow
or mass sterilisation! this totally doesn't conflict with how the tau are meant to manipulate socio economic inequality to solidify their rule on annexed worlds
plucky moth
like they should be doing palpatine type stuff
odd sparrow
nah they just cut ur balls off
cloud kindle
i thought thats what the ethereals were for
odd sparrow
way more interesting
odd sparrow
the tau should be grimdark in like y'know...a subversive sense
yeah this honestly
cloud kindle
sneaky backstabbing shit behind the scenes
plucky moth
yeee
odd sparrow
they should be evil in like, manipulative lowkey ways that are still horrific but aren't just
plucky moth
political intrigue and stuff
cloud kindle
and farsight was like fuck yall shit
odd sparrow
imperium 2.0
vapid tiger
Like, they should make you genuinely question "hmmm are these guys good or bad they seem genuine but there's something fishy about it" not "ethereals are mustache twirling villains! Mind control!"
plucky moth
like you've already got the imperium that do the really in your face baddy bads
Tau should be more subtle
cloud kindle
that name has been taken by girlyman
odd sparrow
Like, they should make you genuinely question "hmmm are these guys good or bad t...
yee, ethereals are meant to be weird imo
storm jungle
just like real life
plucky moth
most importantly though
cloud kindle
is it just fantasy
odd sparrow
Like. Phil kelly compared them to big e and for once i sorta agree with him, they're meant to be weird and enigmatic and not really understood by anyone
plucky moth
Tau should be gay
odd sparrow
not just disney villains who control u through fuckin pheromones
odd sparrow
alright look
storm jungle
and thats only because they cant make babies properly
storm jungle
otherwise you know they wouldnt care
odd sparrow
At least gue'vesa
cloud kindle
imperium
odd sparrow
no way you can convince humans to join ur civilisation if u amend they can't be sluts anymore
i'd revolt
cloud kindle
dont let the neckbeards tell you overwise
storm jungle
Futa tau when
odd sparrow
shut
cloud kindle
no
storm jungle
KJFDSDFKJS
cloud kindle
id imagine it would vary from world to world
odd sparrow
i have a grudge towards that term for how lowkey fetishistic some ppl use it
and i shall vent my anger at u
storm jungle
aaaa
plucky moth
ok so all I'm saying is that
cursive hull
A lot of terms like that end up fetishistic.
plucky moth
Tau men should be able to get gregnant
primal tide
Tau omegaverse when
plucky moth
not mpreg
odd sparrow
my friend recently watched a film for a franchaise they were invested in and i've already been subjected to expansive rants about the random ass mpreg plotline
plucky moth
they should lay eggs
storm jungle
Tau omegaverse when
AAAA
plucky moth
fish eggs
primal tide
Taumegaverse
odd sparrow
it counts as mpreg if they're laying eggs
plucky moth
Tau caviar
odd sparrow
and i do not allow it
cursive hull
Stop it
cloud kindle
this is why exterminatus exists
errant mauve
What's Omegaverse
odd sparrow
fucking dont
cursive hull
I do want someone to elaborate more on tau civilian culture tbh
Same
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CEASE
odd sparrow
But yeah like
storm jungle
What's Omegaverse
||Omegaverse is a AU(alternate universe) in which males can get pregnant. It isn't always the most popular AU, but it is still used by others. In this system, there are three main roles: Alpha, Beta, and Omega. ... In some verses, you can pay to have a test done to determine whether the baby is an Alpha, Beta, or Omega.18 Mar 2014
||
cursive hull
If I don't get to talk about horny, nobody does, god damn it.
plucky moth
Tau music pls
storm jungle
give me illustrations of tau clothes!
: Japan. Next.
cloud kindle
you forgot simga
errant mauve
> ||Omegaverse is a AU(alternate universe) in which males can get pregnant. It i...
Well.
That's something.
storm jungle
Tau music pls
cloud kindle
though i much prefer the simgar male
plucky moth
https://youtu.be/mhXCQFxGqMM
based
cloud kindle
BLESS THIS RAVAGED BODY
plucky moth
odd sparrow
also tbh the dark crusade tau remain possibly the single best depiction
plucky moth
actually wait hold on
odd sparrow
good music and also the dialogue is randomly so fucking good
odd sparrow
hot
cursive hull
It at least excuses why the T'au get confused over Chaos a lot in Dark Crusade.
Eliphas: Tries to troll the T'au
T'au: "Why the fuck is the radio so static-y today?"
odd sparrow
I can get it there cus like, this was v early on for the tau
at this point they'd only been a faction for uhh like a couple of years
the issue with warp stuff comes when they've been a faction for nearly 2 decades, have a plethora of stories attached to them and are still uhhhh what's a psyker
odd sparrow
i do forever adore the imagery of khornate daemons getting pissed off by the tau
like sir im here for blood
cursive hull
odd sparrow
why are u shooting me from beyond the horizon
plucky moth
pls say psyke 
odd sparrow
AAAAAAAA
cursive hull
lol
odd sparrow
this is why we stan kais
cloud kindle
odd sparrow
sadly for most of the soulstorm dialogue they fired their previous writers and replaced them with a succulent
cursive hull
https://youtu.be/YRcilDtlV9I I would pay this man to narrate my life
Also
The way he mispronounces the Chaos god's names is somewhat adorable.
"NuurGhoul!"
"Tsentch"
odd sparrow
tbh hot take there isn't strictly a legit way to pronounce anything in 40k
storm jungle
ıts hilarious because its just some old dude with a cool voice
so he obviously didnt care
odd sparrow
it's like 95% in text
cursive hull
so he obviously didnt care
He makes it work
odd sparrow
the only valid way to pronounce kaurava
cursive hull
His tone and shifting of emphasis make his dialogue hard to forget, that's for sure
cursive hull
Fo sho
vapid tiger
tbh hot take there isn't strictly a legit way to pronounce anything in 40k
Row-boot-ay Gull-ee-man
odd sparrow
No.
storm jungle
Yes.
vapid tiger
yes
storm jungle
vapid tiger
I think that's how they pronounce it in the audiobooks
It's still astounding that people worship primarchs and take them so seriously when they all have joke names
errant mauve
Throwback to the guardsman who couldn't tell Guilliman and Rogal Dorn apart in a Ciaphas Cain (I think?) novel
cursive hull
It's still astounding that people worship primarchs and take them so seriously w...
In setting or reality?
Because in setting its because of their literal dad energy.
vapid tiger
In reality
cursive hull
Yeah, no, lol.
Most of the Primarch's are damaged at best.
vapid tiger
People will claim primarchs are "the best characters" and whatnot
cursive hull
People will claim primarchs are "the best characters" and whatnot
Screentime=//=Quality
Some people forget this
vapid tiger
Jimmy Space is the Emperor's canonical name and you can't convince me otherwise
cursive hull
And even then, some of the Primarchs got very little.
vapid tiger
Screentime=//=Quality
Some people forget this
That's what I tell people
odd sparrow
primarchs never deserved like 40 HH books tbh
vapid tiger
Some are decent but most primarchs are poorly written and just get more screenshot than other 40k characters
storm jungle
Mortartion pls
vapid tiger
Angron and Lorgar are decent
Guilliman is okay
storm jungle
id edit my mispelling of his name but thats how much i dont care about morty 
cursive hull
There are some parts of the HH that sorta benefit from being explained and explored.
But not all of it.
odd sparrow
fulgrim and sangy are the best cus they're hot
vapid tiger
Vulkan is okay but you kind of have to dig for it
odd sparrow
i will accept argument but my reply may involve violence
cursive hull
The Lion is a grump and I don't hate him for it.
errant mauve
Contextualizing the Horus Heresy was overall a mistake for da lore
This is coming from a very avid 30k player too
cursive hull
hes krumped for now
Does this mean we have to wait for his true love, Tony the Tiger to come kiss him so he'll wake up?
cursive hull
Good
storm jungle
Contextualizing the Horus Heresy was overall a mistake for da lore
And all that from this tiny text box
vapid tiger
Angron is my favorite despite his stupid joke name
ADB is good
dim totem
So I've been watching masters of the universe
odd sparrow
I AM ANGRON
I AM EXCEEDINGLY ANGRY
aa
dim totem
Do ppl actually think it's good?
storm jungle
Its been only out for a single episode
odd sparrow
isn't there a new one coming out?
storm jungle
people need to chill
storm jungle
bastard
errant mauve
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/850811155386859580/unk...
A large issue from contextualizing the HH is that it removes a lot from the legendary status of it and the mystery of the Imperium 10,000 years ago. You go from Primarchs being enigmatic figures of might and legend to every single one of them (yes, even your favourite) acting like angsty 14 year olds on a mood swing.
storm jungle
sadly
storm jungle
LOL
dim totem
There's 5
storm jungle
and from the bouncer named Angron Ron near GW iirc
vapid tiger
Man cries like a bitch after ascending because the great crusade was just a suicide by combat attempt
cursive hull
Angron after becoming a daemon prince
More like, literally the entire World Eaters Legion.
storm jungle
"I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE, I JUST WANNA DIE!"
"WE ALL WANNA DIE, WE'RE ALL WORLD EATERS!"
errant mauve
I like that there's a distinct difference between October 2012 Angron and November 2012 Angron 
Bligh and ADB very evidently wanted Angron to go down different paths
cursive hull
Oh, my magic space daddy fucking hates me, he wants to die, and we're all forever enslaved to a rage monster that turns us into genuine fucking idiots in combat.
errant mauve
Angron in Betrayer: Tragic Greek Boy 
Angron in HH Book 1: Betrayal: EAT SHIT FUCK ASS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 
vapid tiger
**"I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE, I JUST WANNA DIE!"**
**"WE ALL WANNA DIE, WE'RE ALL ...
i enjoy how adb has written the butcher's nails and berserker's suicidal tendencies as literally being suicidal
because of the pain it causes
errant mauve
But yeah
A lot of primarchs lost a lot of cool factor thanks to the HH books
imo
I will never look at Ferrus Manus the same after his primarch novel
cursive hull
Its because a lot of them got quantified. Its easier to fill gaps when gaps exist to fill. TBH.
All that mattered was that Horus got corrupted and was a big deal.
Also, wholesome Horus.
errant mauve
Ferrus straight up ||murders an EC champion during a joint campaign because of toxic masculinity brain|| in his primarch novel
cursive hull
Wuh
...Why...
Also, based Bonding Studs, I just noticed.
God I love Heresy Plate
errant mauve
Bonding studs are incredibly kino
cursive hull
errant mauve
...Why...
tl;dr Ferrus Manus got butthurt that the EC kept kicking ass in the dueling pits and ripped him in half
errant mauve
I think it's played off both as "he had it comin" and "Look at how scawy and angy Ferrus is!!!!"
The Ferrus Manus novel was not very well written.
cursive hull
Damn it
dim totem
Tbf seems like something primarchs would do to me 
cursive hull
I'm sad I'm hearing the HH books are just bad in so many ways.
I'm listening to the Audiobook of the first one, and it isn't half bad so far.
errant mauve
There are a few gems in the large pile of mediocrity that is the HH novel series
It also doesn't help that the authors have very large biases especially regarding primarchs.
cursive hull
TBH, yeah.
I imagine he'd not give a shit if anyone out did him at something.
odd sparrow
ye idk
errant mauve
Perturabo and Ferrus before HH Novels: Cold and calculating primarchs hiding a tempered fury.
Perturabo and Ferrus after HH Novels:
odd sparrow
being all HURR DURR AAAAAAA is like, an angry-wolf-man thing
storm jungle
All I'll say is theres a good reason not many people remember the Iron Hands even exist
errant mauve
Though I will say by writing Perturabo as a manchild John French accidentally gave Perturabo some of the best strength feats out of the primarchs
dim totem
Besides
cursive hull
Side note:
On Mark IV plate, wasn't that like...
Okay, so, Primaris have plate based on Mark IV design wise, right?
Isn't that because Mark IV plate is the higher end of the quality scale, expensive and complex? I always got the impression Mark IV plate was kind of the peak of quality as far as power armor is concerned. Hence why Mark IV plate is rarer anymore.
Because while Mark VII Aquila armor is effective, its designed to be cost effective more than utterly the peak.
storm jungle
no
errant mauve
Side note:
On Mark IV plate, wasn't that like...
Okay, so, Primaris have plate...
Mk IV was the best all rounder for the most part. Earlier and later marks were more specialized in hindsight.
cursive hull
I see.
Mark III is more durable, Mark V is cheaper, (The cheapest, one imagines.), Mark VII is cheap and reliable, Mark VI has excellent sensor equipment, etc.
At least, so far as I read into it
peak hamlet
Ok so anybody got sources of marines having sex? Im aware that space wolves do but i cant find it :(
odd sparrow
GOD
errant mauve
Mk IV replaced mk 2 and 3's flexible tubing (is that how you say it in english?) with rigid casings with flexible joints instead, making power more efficient but limiting mobility compared to mk 2, but it was also easier to maintain. It also had a lot of QoL improvements like more efficient powerpacks, reduction of cabling, and armoured cabling, as well as being a bit lighter.
dim totem
nooooo
errant mauve
Ok so anybody got sources of marines having sex? Im aware that space wolves do b...
Lukas the Trickster Book iirc
odd sparrow
damn they actually had a source
storm jungle
Ok so anybody got sources of marines having sex? Im aware that space wolves do b...
1 sec fam im on it
peak hamlet
1 sec fam im on it
Blessed
cursive hull
Mk IV replaced mk 2 and 3's flexible tubing (is that how you say it in english?)...
Makes sense to me
dim totem
do space marines have prostates?
storm jungle
Blessed
‘A holo-flash. Projects a sort of hololithic mask over whoever is holding it. Doesn’t last long. Only a few moments, and then it burns out.’ Lukas handed them out to Einar and the others. ‘I got them from a trader of my acquaintance. She brings me all sorts of gifts in return for… certain favours.’ He grinned.
‘These she got on some feral backwater. Archaeotech, probably. They have skjalds there, of a sort. They use them when they perform before their chieftains.’ He closed the port on his thigh. ‘These are keyed to my appearance.’
theres also another mention of Lukas having a "roll in the hay" but im too lazy to find it because tea
cursive hull
I feel like copulating with a Space Marine should kill you
Or cause permanent life long damage
dim totem
What is it with the weird obsession with space marines fucking
peak hamlet
> ‘A holo-flash. Projects a sort of hololithic mask over whoever is holding it. ...
Based
cursive hull
Because humans are predictable animals.
peak hamlet
What is it with the weird obsession with space marines fucking
They are like big and buff
storm jungle
THANK YOU
peak hamlet
And have strong arms
errant mauve
But the way I generally rationalize the advantages of power armour is uhh
- Mk 1: For showing off your dazzling jawline
- Mk 2: Has improved mobility compared to later marks, the individually powered plates means that you won't experience power failure when one area of cabling is disabled
- Mk 3: Improved durability and protection for siege warfare and close combat at the cost of limited mobility and extreme power usage relative to other marks, never issued on a legion wide scale
- Mk 4: Improved power efficiency, production efficiency, and general QoL improvements, improved protection compared to mk 2 at the cost of mobility
- Mk 5: The imbred cousin of power armours
- Mk 6: More efficient internal systems, better failsafes and backup power systems, lighter armour and superior sensors
- Mk 7: Completely internalized chest and arm cabling, has solar powered charging backpack, suit can operate for short periods of time without powerpack
dim totem
They also belch acid
cursive hull
You can literally not stop the human species from thinking long and hard on coitus
Its not possible.
storm jungle
^
errant mauve
SM belches acid to melt your clothes off before fucking you 😳
storm jungle
But the way I generally rationalize the advantages of power armour is uhh
- Mk ...
also I'm taking this
storm jungle
good way to explain the armor differences
cursive hull
Makes sense to me
That is a comprehensive way to do it
Although, you're missing Mark VIII. Not that it matters
Its just mark VII but with a gorget.
errant mauve
Also don't get me wrong Mk 5 is kino looking asf but it's kinda poopoo
errant mauve
C r o t c h s t u d s
cursive hull
To call it a "Pattern." at all is wrong.
its literally just Space Marines having armor cobbled together in the field to fix battle damage until their armor wasn't recognizable anymore.
errant mauve
The good old days of 2017 where /hhg/ had a massive month long argument on what was mk 5 and what wasn't
cursive hull
Damn it
errant mauve
My favourite marks are II and V
cursive hull
I like Marks II, III, V and VI.
The others are okay but not distinct enough.
Although IV looks good on some chapters/Legions/characters
errant mauve
I don't think any marks look bad maybe except phobos
actually definitey mk X phobos
that shit ugli
III is good but I'm very particular about which models in my 30k army get it.
Doesn't really make sense for a Master of Signal to be wearing mk 3
But it does for breachers or a warmonger
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(Or the Death Guard, for that matter... Or the Iron Warriors.)
Or the Imperial Fists, them too.
errant mauve
Mk III is the armour for aspiring IF and DG for sure
I'm more iffy on it for IW but I know a lot of other IW fans really like it.
Not that I mind them, I just personally don't make my Grand Battalion all Mark 3
cursive hull
I think it works. Maybe not as a whole Legion thing, but it would make sense to keep some guys in Mark III plate to deploy to hardpoints.
errant mauve
Yeah
My power armour policy for my army is that
Non veteran Models with weapon ranges between 24 - 36 get mk 4
Non veteran Models with weapon ranges between 36 - 90 get mk 2
Veteran Models get a mix of 2/3/4
CQB models get mk 3
Noncombat HQ choices all get mk 2
Combat HQ choices all get mk 3
Not taking into account Termi armour
cursive hull
Makes sense.
weak fern
The MKII are created by Squat nah ?
cursive hull
I'd have a mix of Mark III (on something like Sternguard.) Mark VII on most of the marines because, well, it isn't fancy but it is the standard, with a mix of Mark V among them.
Obligatory Mark VI on assault marines, commanders in Mark IV and III
cursive hull
The MKII are created by Squat nah ?
I don't think so? At least, not in current lore.
As far as I'm aware, Mark II was produced thanks to Emps making an agreement with the people of Albia/Albion whatever.
Along with refinements made to the pattern later after retaking the Sol system.
errant mauve
The MKII are created by Squat nah ?
The old mk 3 lore used to be that it was designed to combat squats
errant mauve
The current mk 3 lore is that it's designed for close quarters battle
cursive hull
Particularly Starship boarding, from memory.
errant mauve
The old mk 3 lore had a funny tidbit about squats scuttling marine ankles
Imagine being a biologically engineered super soldier and then a bearded alcoholic midget chops off your ankles
cerulean wagon
I feel like copulating with a Space Marine should kill you
all liquids are acid
plucky moth
I've heard of burning loins but that's just silly
cerulean wagon
cursive hull
I can't even begin to explain how cursed that is
cerulean wagon
all im saying is
if brazil nuts can be sexually transmitted and that kills people
primal tide
Obviously space marines would produce a strong base to neutralize the acid saliva
plucky moth
TheOneFalseSkeleton
cerulean wagon
i dont wanna know what sm spoodge does
storm jungle
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
cursive hull
Fuck I hate not being able to elaborate on horny.
peak hamlet
And if a female space marine gets born that way they could continue that circle, getting closer and closer to the perfect space marine that way
You know im right
storm jungle
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
cursive hull
How about we don't and we forget this ever occured.
peak hamlet
😔
restive turtle
Krell vs Erebus in whos the biggest cunt
primal tide
Erebus is in what?!
gaunt vector
Krell vs Erebus in whos the biggest cunt
erebus is worse
Krell is just like having one wyrdvaine psyker who gets corrupted
gaunt vector
Erebus feked the entrie galaxy
barren tapir
I know that many will be angered at this, but this, this give me hope!
It is good to see my reasoning being expressed by a primarch
barren tapir
He is absolutely F***ING right
final spruce
People that cry because they think the universe will suddely stop being Grimdark
barren tapir
But some people may say "MuH gRiMdArK"
final spruce
When it never really was
barren tapir
For a setting to be grimdark you must have some brightnoble, otherwise it is only all shit
final spruce
I mean we still have the : Maccrage has the best life expectancy of the whole Imperium : 30y old
atomic pelican
I like the division in the imperium with Roboute's stuff
My opinion of roboute grows every day
Now he has to get big hands
vapid tiger
For a setting to be grimdark you must have some brightnoble, otherwise it is onl...
Issue is that you can definitely go about this in the wrong way if you take the route of "the imperium is heroic and its cause is noble" approach, which is an easy trap to fall into for gw apparently
The easy way to do this would be to focus the non-grimdark on tau when it comes to faction-wide stuff and not just individual characters but fans and apparently gw can't have that because DAE ME HATE TAU pounds chest
But for guilliman it works considering that his entire arc is "damn bro this shit sucks and my dad's actually a dick"
vapid tiger
It's like a primarch maturation process as the indoctrination is slowly worn away by the sheer nightmare that is the galaxy of the 41st millennium
Though in Godblight it's still there
He makes a comment about how even the Ynnari "must eventually be killed" or whatever
Though tbf Devastation of Baal takes place at some point after Godblight when it comes to Guilliman's perspective of time
I think?
I'd have to double check
Yep that's the case after the 9th ed BL timeline retcon
barren tapir
Issue is that you can definitely go about this in the wrong way if you take the ...
I disagree with tau being the non-grimdark faction wide, it is dumb, they aren't good guys, and if they want to expand they cannot be, it will arrive a time when they too will use force to get what they want, and they already did that... Noblebright can, and should imo, be part of most of the factions, at least those that aren't only evil
vapid tiger
Not good guys, but a contrast to the hellish nature of other factions
Although they are not necessarily the only possible source
barren tapir
I'm kinda happy with the way that tau are being developed, although cases of comic villain aren't good, but i feel that their development, especially that of the 4th sphere, made perfect sense
vapid tiger
Let me use an example. Two, actually, one to give perspective, the other to give an example that applies directly to 40k.
If my phone stays charged
AoS is very good at maintaining a balance between "grimdark" and brightness, and really a sense of whimsicality that people love in fantasy media. Order isn't perfect, and it's stated that Order are mere candles in a sea of darkness in AoS, but they have plenty of contrast compared to the darker factions. So does every other grand alliance except chaos, but it's very focused on Order. It's a grim and dark setting, but has plenty of room for its "protagonists" to be good, and there's also a lot of sillier stuff even outside of order
Plenty of contrast with the darkness
And then there's 1st ed 40k.
1st ed 40k is very edgy and grimdark, BUT the rulebook very much conveys a sense of...being whimsical? Not just because of the satirical stuff, but because it conveys the universe in a way that communicates that despite the darkness, anything can happen, it's fucking space, which later editions frankly do a poor job of because the writers have become laden in made up rules and whatnot after decades
It barely comes close to portraying the Imperium as noble (outside of a throwaway line about the emperor wanting humanity to ascend to a psychic race), marines are portrayed as brutal enforcers of a horrible regime instead of noble space knights, but there's still stuff like renegade marines who look like mercs or even rebels, the fact it's explicitly stated that many places can be more fantastical, that many places fall outside of the imperium and aren't hellholes because they avoided it, silly things, room for reprieve from the darkness and gloom, room for normalcy even that will be disturbed by Your Dudes, but the sense that it'll fall outside of the Imperium in the galactic east
it does a good job of "not everything is shitty" without the falling into the easy trap of "the fascist coded guys are noble"
It's just having fun with itself
barren tapir
Oh, the imperium for sure isn't noblebright, it is a shit hellhole, but inside it people can be noblebright, if my words were taken like a poor try to paint the imperium as noble let me assure you that it wasn't my intention, the imperium is awful, but not in its entirety, at the human level you can still find noblebright actions, as it should be imo
vapid tiger
They weren't it's just that I've seen a fair number of people who advocate for a "brighter 40k" going "why can't gw just portray the imperium as less of a shithole and have it actually be good?"
which is weird
Me, I just want 40k to be more fun and whimsical
While retaining its identity
restive turtle
Usually I see people complain about it not being grimdark hellholish enough
vapid tiger
I think it depends honestly
There's some stuff that should be more explicitly grimdark, there's other stuff that doesn't need that
visual pier
I dont find it very relatable at all, the Imperium.
playing a human in the tabletop isnt like being a normal human, because you've grown up somewhere bizarre, and generally inhuman
the characters in darktide look fun, though
odd sparrow
I'm kinda happy with the way that tau are being developed, although cases of com...
hard disagree tbh. Most of the attempts to grimdark-ify the tau have been reaaally clumsy
the tau should be sinister in different ways. like, from day 1 they've been characterised as subversive and manipulative. The imperium would usually subject a rebellious world to genocide, the tau would patiently socially engineer major population centres until all of the dissenters have either been indoctrinated or have died off on the streets
GW highkey doesn't know what to do with the tau and just characterises them as the imperium 2.0 with better PR. It's so boring and i feel it's still rooted in the initial reaction to taus introduction with like, oh no u cant have a vaguely good faction it's 40k everything must be grimdark D:
odd sparrow
Usually I see people complain about it not being grimdark hellholish enough
flashbacks to writers contriving a way to make agri worlds a deathtrap
atomic pelican
reading path of the eldar to hurt myself
odd sparrow
grimdark has went a lil far
atomic pelican
some artist gets his sculpture lightly critiqued and then sleeps for 6 days
odd sparrow
,,, what
atomic pelican
this is in path of the warrior I'd like to point out
odd sparrow
GOD WHY
odd sparrow
thememes.gif
odd sparrow
gonna have to self reflect in ur dreams for 6 straight days cus ur OC design got critiqued
glad prism
Pronounce it so pretentiously it no longer reads like memedream
Or do what the French do and skip a solid third of the letters while saying it
potent swift
I mean, if I'm having a bad day I'll look at memes to feel better. Eldar just have a superior method :V
vapid tiger
flashbacks to writers contriving a way to make *agri worlds* a deathtrap
Hey I like that
i prefer it over stupid quaint farmer joe worlds that imperium simps can point at and go "see the imperium is a great place to live in"
vapid tiger
Pronounce it so pretentiously it no longer reads like memedream
M-may dream
May may dream
That's worse
omg that's worse
potent swift
I actually liked the Kansas planet from Lords of Silence. Planet wide industrial farming isn't gonna be pretty.
vapid tiger
Yeah same
odd sparrow
i prefer it over stupid quaint farmer joe worlds that imperium simps can point a...
the majority of imperium worlds should be chill
cus the majority have barely any contact with the actual wider imperial authorities
the whole every single imperial world is the worst thing is silly and i'll die on this hill
vapid tiger
cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable
odd sparrow
it's also meant to be incompetent af
atomic pelican
in my journey to read path of the warrior
odd sparrow
imperial worlds are v often written as like. technically they're in the imperium but really it's its own world with its own ruling classes and systems and culture
odd sparrow
The dumb grimdark stuff doesn't work well with that
atomic pelican
I'm gonna have to read realmlords to cleanse after this
odd sparrow
good
atomic pelican
This is causing me physical pain
The main character is a absolute self absorbed prick, even by eldar standards
why gav, why would you center your book on someone who's completely unlikeable
odd sparrow
Having likeable elves is strictly forbidden
odd sparrow
they must be melodramatic divas
crisp heath
There's only been one understandable elf I've ever met
odd sparrow
?????
crisp heath
And it's Ravandil
odd sparrow
so he can write likeable elves
crisp heath
And he died.
Twice-
vapid tiger
the fictional embodiment of xenophobia, superstition, warmongering, fear, corruption, greed, etc should be "mostly chill"
ok
crisp heath
HERE'S A ELF CALLING THE MAIN CHARACTER OUT
Elf calling out another elf for being a dickhead
atomic pelican
Thankfully I believe Thirianna is the protag of the 2nd book so I'm hoping she's better
odd sparrow
Im not an imperium stan you dork
crisp heath
Pot calling kettle black kekw
atomic pelican
silence smoothy I'm talking with adults
crisp heath
Ye I'm a bigger imperium stan than ratty
potent swift
Man, Eldar have paths for everything. Sleeping and waking up? Must be nice :V
crisp heath
Man, Eldar have paths for everything. Sleeping and waking up? Must be nice :V
Mostly because have to remember
They can literally summon slaanesh
Just from being too hype
odd sparrow
that does not work that way
atomic pelican
It's p much a induced meditative state, where another eldar will be with you to ensure you don't go too deep
"dreamwatching"
crisp heath
I'm exaggerating
But that's what the paths are for p.much.
atomic pelican
I am actually gleaming neat bits inbetween the lines tbh
odd sparrow
,,, so basically it's a trip
atomic pelican
Yeah essentially
crisp heath
To do the equivalent of a "hold them back"
odd sparrow
Maybe there is a place for it
crisp heath
Probably
vapid tiger
Im not an imperium stan you dork
yeah but you're repeating 1d4chan tier stuff
crisp heath
Do we know anything about how an eldar craftworld even looks on the inside?
All I remember about them is key locations
odd sparrow
no im not?? i'm not saying that the imperium is good lol, i'm saying that i dont like the grimdark-ish vibe with every single human planet being basically hell
cus it's boring and silly
crisp heath
But nothing much on anything else like how they live or generic locations on where they do their daily elf stuff
atomic pelican
Ye we do
There's alot of depictions in the books
They're p gorgeous
Alaitoc has a midnight grove where lovers meet often
plucky moth
At midnight?
odd sparrow
My hc for it is like, the well built up planets that serve as industrial centres or like population centres or whatever should be full grimdark excessiveness but all the smol planets on the sides whose only major communication with the imperium is with the imperial tithe should be sorta their own thing
maybe awful, maybe mostly modern earth-ish levels of not totally awful
vapid tiger
I mean there's "worlds that are basically their own thing and pay lip service" but they tend to be on the far flung edges of human space, far away from imperial authorities
To say that most places are like that is funky
odd sparrow
for me that's mostly just cus of scale issues. like
atomic pelican
going back in, pray for me I'll be back in a hour to complain more because it softens the burden on my mind
crisp heath
going back in, pray for me I'll be back in a hour to complain more because it so...
Gluck
errant mauve
At midnight?
Do craftworlds have daylight cycles?
atomic pelican
yes
errant mauve
Neato
atomic pelican
They're artificial
odd sparrow
40k writers make individual planets like armageddon and krieg and whatever seem like big deals in terms of the military machine, but there's meant to be a million worlds in the imperium
crisp heath
There's alot of depictions in the books
I'll look for some eldar books then
odd sparrow
so my hc is just that the majority are barely developed
atomic pelican
They can also be changed at anear whim
crisp heath
Tyvm
plucky moth
Idk I only know of kraftworlds made of cheap cheese
odd sparrow
or like, barely developed by the standards of big bois like hive worlds or whatever
crisp heath
I kinda get what ratty means lol
errant mauve
Eldar do be kino
vapid tiger
Okay that's better than the usual argument and works with og fluff
crisp heath
The scale is kinda fucked since not every world is pure pepega industrialized
odd sparrow
ye. Like, it's v much up to ur interpretation but that's how i rationalise it
atomic pelican
I wouldn't suggest the main eldar books. I'm only exposing myself to them as a masochistic test, also to pull whatever's worth saving from them
crisp heath
Just most of the worlds we see tend to just be pure pollution filled urban centers
But it makes sense (ish?)
I think the nicest world I read about is Abnett's tanith
The rest of imperial worlds I hear about are always durr backwards medieval
Or "ye this is just purely filled with pollution 24/7 urban centers of death" now
potent swift
Imp worlds are on a sliding scale of 'Earth levels of OK' to 'Max Grim'
crisp heath
Ye
errant mauve
I like the Agriworld in Lords of Silence
odd sparrow
p much my idea ye
errant mauve
Very cool book btw
atomic pelican
Oh hey, here's something for a depiction if ur interested about Craftworld aesthetics
crisp heath
What was that uhh
Grey Knight book
odd sparrow
It's anything from basically just a jungle with like 2 ppl living on it to hive city
potent swift
Unless it's a Forgeworld, in which it's just 24/7 labor
errant mauve
The one with Hyperion?
crisp heath
Where a world was literally functioning just because it was the equivalent of Jerusalem in space
vapid tiger
The usual argument that's very similar to that, that I have heard repeated over and over again by braindead dorks is "well most worlds are well developed and indoctrinated into imperial culture but are actually fine! there is nothing wrong with their beliefs and you will never see an arbitrator!"
But "eh anywhere that's anywhere will likely be shit to pay off the tithe, but there's a lot of smol worlds that are less developed and thus kind of get off easy, especially on the fringes" is fine
errant mauve
My favorite world is Medrengard 
errant mauve
Ah
crisp heath
Hyperion is cool too tho
odd sparrow
Yeah it's less the imperium isn't SO bad and more just hella worlds fly under the imperiums radar cus they're sorta irrelevant
vapid tiger
Until the tithe stops coming in
errant mauve
Hammer of Daemons?
vapid tiger
If you stop paying taxes they'll get with you in force
though it'll take a bit because the Imperium is very s l o w
crisp heath
Hammer of Daemons?
Ye from that set lol
That was ridiculous
crisp heath
If you stop paying taxes they'll get with you in force
though it'll take a bit ...
That's one thing I'm always confused about
potent swift
On the flipside, I don't think there are any Admech worlds that are even remotely nice to live on
errant mauve
The Grey Knights Omnibus was something alright
crisp heath
Imperium goes from
REEE INSTANT KILL ALL OF YOU
Into
"I'd do it but I don't know about it cos I'm incompetent"
crisp heath
It's kinda weird
errant mauve
odd sparrow
one thing i dont entirely get is like, so the tithe is imperial guardsmen right? So i assume they're picked up on ships?
crisp heath
one thing i dont entirely get is like, so the tithe is imperial guardsmen right?...
Yea
vapid tiger
The Imperium is slow to react to anything that isn't deemed "a huge deal" because its bureaucracy is very inefficient
crisp heath
The tithes are usually food, material goods, and/or men
odd sparrow
I'm out here lowkey wondering why it even goes to the bureaucracy in the first place
errant mauve
There are 2 tithes, one for men and another for resources
odd sparrow
hey yall we're here to collect ur tithe
lol no
,, it does occur to u we're in a cruiser
vapid tiger
It's not a matter of "well we kind of care less" it's a matter of "well this ticket will reach the table of the guy who can do something about it in 50 years"
crisp heath
Since most of the regiments are basically kitted according to their own planet's relative money
odd sparrow
and ur entire nobility is in that castle within range of our nova cannon
crisp heath
And capabilities
Which is basically the lore way of explaining why IG regiments look different
And aren't completely standardized
crisp heath
The Imperium is slow to react to anything that isn't deemed "a huge deal" becaus...
Makes sense then.
vapid tiger
I'm out here lowkey wondering why it even goes to the bureaucracy in the first p...
Because the imperium isn't efficient
or rational
crisp heath
I'm just mega confused about book writing
But I guess it's really just book jank
errant mauve
Important to separate PDF and Regiments though, fair amount of regiments have some degree of standardization whereas PDF is just ooga booga time.
odd sparrow
ye that's fair tbh
plucky moth
Are they not cadiatchans???
odd sparrow
medics ghost is breaking through the veil between worlds
errant mauve
R o u n d e d s h o u l d e r s
crisp heath
Are they not cadiatchans??? <:smilezpyre:674374735722840075>
Cadians and catachans
The two things that the imperium will never run out of
odd sparrow
catachans lame
crisp heath
And i guess marines now that primaris are here lmao
odd sparrow
u cannot change my mind
crisp heath
They're uhh
Overhyped imo
odd sparrow
why did catachans get to stay and not any other regiment
crisp heath
Cadians are cooler anyway
errant mauve
Vostroyan supremacy
odd sparrow
like,, they're so boring??
crisp heath
Also valhallans
vapid tiger
It's noted that most regiments model themselves after cadians in terms of gear and tactics (because cadians are what's sold in plastic)
a fact that medic cannot stand
crisp heath
valhallans are also sorta just dated red army memes but still
Ciaphas cain books helped them a lot (ish)
potent swift
Give me Mordians with shirts so starched it deflects gunfire
crisp heath
Pretty nice tbh
crisp heath
I still think krieg's the biggest memes next to catachans
crisp heath
Krieg and catachans often get stereotyped super hard
odd sparrow
fancy ❤️
errant mauve
i dont get it
I have a friend who plays Catachans, and he explained he likes em in a pseudo-ironic sense where he sees them pretty clearly as a joke faction but they still have some pretty cool moments.
vapid tiger
Catachans can't read
crisp heath
Cadians suffer more from literally being everywhere imo
odd sparrow
I am v glad that they've not leaned into the memes with krieg
vapid tiger
They're a literal joke
plucky moth
Serican bushmen 
crisp heath
Since the lore likes randomly putting out Cadians wherever
crisp heath
I am v glad that they've not leaned into the memes with krieg
Same.
odd sparrow
I have a friend who plays Catachans, and he explained he likes em in a pseudo-ir...
yeah unironically it's chill, they're just not my thing
vapid tiger
Since the lore likes randomly putting out Cadians wherever
It's like the ultramarines
errant mauve
Jouran Dragoons 
odd sparrow
ppl can enjoy whatever aesthetic they like, some of the newer character catachan models have been v nice
tho uh,,,, haven't they all been like limited edition or smthn
crisp heath
It's like the ultramarines
Or blood Angels
Or like every other popular faction
vapid tiger
Ya
crisp heath
Ye it makes more sense marketting wise to say
BLOOD ANGELS OOOH
odd sparrow
how did gandalf know literally exactly when to arrive at the hornburg anyways
crisp heath
Rather than blood angel random successor #23
odd sparrow
did he accidentally get there early and decide oh no
vapid tiger
AoS does a good job of just avoiding the scale issues that kind of thing poses
vapid tiger
"Lol stormhosts are really really big and can teleport"
potent swift
I'm kinda hoping the new killteam gives gw an excuse to diversify guard again with warband style 'teams'
atomic pelican
That'd be niec for every faction
plucky moth
Gandalf checked the script
atomic pelican
I love warbands
odd sparrow
Same
atomic pelican
Also it'd let us have very pretty unique sets
odd sparrow
it's probs the best chance to like, actually get new IG none cadian sculpts
crisp heath
i'll wait until dawn
Kek he probably just got lucky/did some estimates tbh
odd sparrow
ye it's chill gandalf is a wizard he's allowed to be weird
potent swift
He's basically an angel
atomic pelican
level 20 wizard
chooses not to use his fireballs until it's plot relevant
fist fights ghosts
crisp heath
Obligatory "but why eagles no help throw the ring into morder'
potent swift
Maia or something I think is the term?
atomic pelican
or sorry, staf ffights ghosts
atomic pelican
I like most depictions
crisp heath
Tolkien magic is a lot more restrained a lot of the time tbh
So I agree
atomic pelican
I think Witcher has been one of my favorites
odd sparrow
gandalf yeeting magical projectiles at ppl would feel so wrong
atomic pelican
I prefer wizards to be rare and incredibly potent
odd sparrow
tolkiens magic system is v soft and like, lowkey
crisp heath
Witcher is also nice
odd sparrow
same
crisp heath
Mostly because it's a fairytale vibe
odd sparrow
like, how many times do u even see gandalf really flexing his power that much? In the films leastways
crisp heath
Also really like the morals(ish) in witcher
odd sparrow
there's that time he tells the nazgul to fuck off
crisp heath
A lot fo the things r caricatures
crisp heath
like, how many times do u even see gandalf really flexing his power that much? I...
The saruman duel is still my favorite
They just kinda wave sticks at each other
And just go UOHH
AHH
GRR
Love it
potent swift
That time when he blinded the Uruks at Helms Deep
crisp heath
Even in games he tends to be a lot more restrained too
The bfme stuff has him pretty tame
And even the hack and slash ones at most just have him tossing energy projectiles from his stick
odd sparrow
i like it. Magic being used more for like, interpreting magical artifacts or for passive stuff like creating light or whatever is more engaging for me
it makes the big stuff stand out way more
crisp heath
Meanwhile I had
Harry Potter flashbacks
odd sparrow
as opposed to more recent interpretations which are like,,, yeah
odd sparrow
I love castlevania but the sypha sort of magic which is just I AM A 1 MAN WMD is yeah
potent swift
I could have sworn the Hobbit had more magic oomph in it but it's been a while
crisp heath
I could have sworn the Hobbit had more magic oomph in it but it's been a while
Kind of did
But it was also a lot more uhh
Lighthearted
odd sparrow
i can't really remember tbh, i haven't watched it in ages
potent swift
To clarify, I meant the films
glad prism
omg that's worse
That's the spirit
crisp heath
Kinda still not sure how I feel about the movies
potent swift
I was thinking the castle with the Necromancer where Gandalf was holding off the bad guy smoke
glad prism
The Hobbit overall as a film collapsed under the weight of Peter Jackson's ego this time.
crisp heath
Ye
The necromancer kinda was a side plot they shoved in
But so was most of the film itself tbh
glad prism
It had great moments, good performances, by and large great casting
crisp heath
The one thing I still feel weird about
Is the elf falling in love with the sexy dwarf
Just randomly
glad prism
But he really didn't need a third movie.
potent swift
The fire silhouette exploding into the eye of Sauron was badass but also really extra
crisp heath
But he really didn't need a third movie.
Ye that was probably my real grips with the hobbit
It was basically trying to be the OG movies
But bigger
When the Hobbit shouldn't really be close to the same scale lol
glad prism
I hardly mind that kind of thing, either of them, would have helped if Tauriel has some actual character development
crisp heath
It's closer to a dnd adventure with a bombastic climax
But the movies kind of turned it into an epic
crisp heath
I hardly mind that kind of thing, either of them, would have helped if Tauriel h...
Ye same.
All I remember of her is her being there let Orlando bloom there too.
marsh grail
Have you heard of dopey?
final spruce
Ah shit I missed the Imperium planet and cadian discussion
storm jungle
All I'll say is i think the most annoying thing in the 40k fandom is insisting every single planet is shitty
Like i get that the imperium is evil but thats still impossible
there is gonna be some boring peaceful worlds
odd sparrow
u might not have thought a setting so heavy handed could still be so flanderised
and yet
storm jungle
pain
final spruce
I mean ratlings exist for a reason
final spruce
But I imagine that, even on a "nice" planet you're still working 12 hours a day atleast
atomic pelican
Ratlings are cute leave em alone 😩
final spruce
They are humans that evolved with lazyness and friendliness in mind
cerulean wagon
How long you work, and what kind of work you do is defined by your class as much as it is your planet of origin
psure some have just
normal 9-5 jobs
normal as you can get in scifi anyway
atomic pelican
Tfw you get drawn into 40k but just end up with your normal irl job on some ignored background planet
cerulean wagon
honestly, please
final spruce
Why would you even want to isekai 40k
cerulean wagon
atleast the architecture would be sick
final spruce
Thats a huge risk, no reward moment
cerulean wagon
Because 40k may be apocalyptic but atleast its interesting in comparison to our own apocalypse
atomic pelican
Im not saying I'd want to, but I def have preferences if I had no choice
final spruce
Because 40k may be apocalyptic but atleast its interesting in comparison to our ...
Because you have an "omnipotent like" knowledge of it thanks to books.
You'd be executed with that much knowledge in 40k or even be corrupted by Chaos
cerulean wagon
don't even need omnipotent knowledge to have like, a single planet in 40k be interesting comparativley
even "boring" backwater planets that don't hear updates on the front
atomic pelican
Thats only taking humans into account too
cerulean wagon
cause ur dealing with all the technical and architectural marvels alongside just the normal life
atomic pelican
Even Gav manages to make CWE life seem like heaven
final spruce
Well yeah we are humans
atomic pelican
Maybe you
final spruce
final spruce
cause ur dealing with all the technical and architectural marvels alongside just...
That is only if you end up on the right planet or a hive city
So unless you end up in a paradise world, youre goingto have some downgrade of live
I hope you like japanese appartments because its what youre getting
cerulean wagon
dude i basically live in a 5mx5m box anyway
maybe smaller even, never measured it
final spruce
So that's how hive-cities where thought out, they copied the british housing market
odd sparrow
So that's how hive-cities where thought out, they copied the british housing mar...
Ppl would be having to live outside of the hive if that was the case
cerulean wagon
cloud kindle
Australia?
nah we are the under underhive
crisp heath
Isn't australia just a death world
cloud kindle
only for the idiots and tourists
dim totem
wouldnt it be more of a down under hive then
cloud kindle
crisp heath
LMAO
primal tide
The pain they suffered in their skulls often manifested around them. When their cerebral implants truly bit deep, little sliver-spirits of agony would flicker into being, crawling across the World Eaters armour plating. These mindless pulses of incarnated sensation would skitter over the red ceramite like lizards, before dissolving back into the warp-charged air. Mostly, the legionaries paid these insignificant manifestations no heed at all – the appearance of minor emotion-daemons was hardly rare in the Eye – but Lheor’s lieutenant, the warrior Ugrivian, was often crawling with them. I saw him eat one of them once, the tiny snake-thing thrashing in his fist, before he bit its snapping head off and swallowed the morsel with a low chuckle.
‘You are aware the Neverborn offer no sustenance to us,’ I pointed out to him. He swallowed the rest of the squirming, white corpse. I watched it wriggling down the muscles of his neck, before it fell into his guts.
‘You’re good with an axe, Khayon. I respect that. But you’re too high and mighty to admit there’s no better way to insult an enemy than to shit him out once you’re done with him.’
To my shame, I laughed. ‘You are vile, Ugrivian.’
Taken from https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/osmbn7/excerpt_talon_of_horus_daemons_have_no
primal tide
nom
storm jungle
AAA-
frosty cobalt
Do I Speak Lies Though
But i also like that because he thinks deamons are his enemy
Even the ones he manifests
Every one is tbh
atomic pelican
Cant believe 40k copied mawtribes into space 😩
dim totem
That was a great excerpt lol
I hope that marine is shitting out his enemies to this day
Good for him
cursive hull
Also.
I'm deeply amused that literally no one liked Erebus even before he became the first traitor.
storm jungle
I was just watching a new luetin vid
He brings up the point that krieg have been called to octarius when catachan is right there
I never noticed
atomic pelican
luetin please you know why that is
because gw knows krieg are popular
pls dont jump hoops to figure some Matpat theory
storm jungle
Also he predicts in his own take that the war will continue and the tyranids/orks will still be stuck in a stalemate at the end of the warzone plot
I'm just gonna say that the Imperium will win somehow
atomic pelican
It'll be a incredibly costly win for the ultramarines showing up, costing the entire chapter
But fear not reader
cerulean wagon
The other reason is
atomic pelican
They shall be rejuvenated whole in the next book
atomic pelican
And yeah that too
storm jungle
model sales?
storm jungle
Yeah thats model sales
smh
It really doesnt matter, they can easily write in another catachan battle-group being there lol
errant mauve
The Cicatrix Maledictum is only an impassable warp rift when it will help model sales 
cerulean wagon
well
storm jungle
The Cicatrix Maledictum is only an impassable warp rift when it will help model ...
Jokes aside this is true LOL
atomic pelican
errant mauve
My evidence points all to Vigilus when it comes to this type of shit.
God I hated Vigilus, what a terrible campaign that was.
storm jungle
I didnt say i was salty, its just weird lol
atomic pelican
Imo I prefer krieg to catachan I think
errant mauve
Vigilus continuing the age old Black Library/GW tradition of breaking established lore to make Loyalists look cool
storm jungle
smh onut, you betray me when i just want to see some 80's ladies with abs 
atomic pelican
Idk, they both kinda boring to me but like.. hm..
Idk
Fhdhd
Ur right but GW is too cowardly for thaf anyways
storm jungle
Yeee tru
storm jungle
Vigilus continuing the age old Black Library/GW tradition of breaking establishe...
Also yep
calgar LITERALLY defeated genestealers with his strong hands
owned™️
cerulean wagon
I didnt say i was salty, its just weird lol
i meant leutin not u dw haha
atomic pelican
cerulean wagon
Imo I prefer krieg to catachan I think
and ye agreed
actual krieg are atleast interesting
errant mauve
Also yep
Cicatrix Maledictum: is impassable warp rift
GW: But how will we get our new Marneus Calgar ™️ model to fight our new Abaddon ™️
Cicatrix Maledictum: is no longer impassable warp rift
cerulean wagon
catachan could be interesting but are the ultramarines of guardsmen
errant mauve
High IQ plays
storm jungle
Cicatrix Maledictum: *is impassable warp rift*
GW: But how will we get our new M...
Now you can just pass the rift whenever
consequences my ass
atomic pelican
catachan could be interesting but are the ultramarines of guardsmen
Dont u mean cadians
errant mauve
Also remember how a bug thing in the Imperium Nihilus is that there is no light of the beacon
GW: But how will we sell our epic new Mephiston ™️
Mephiston: becomes a second Astronomicon
atomic pelican
Calgar simply uses his massive hands to pinch the rift shut
errant mauve
Calgar will get his own codex before CSM get 2W
atomic pelican
You throw it on the table and it weighs a ton and shatters it
storm jungle
GW: But how will we sell our epic new Mephiston ™️
Mephiston: *becomes a secon...
By making him do a literal fucking Jojo stand and kill eldar
sorry i meant give 10 eldar jet pilots heart-attacks