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restive turtle
storm jungle
every equipment tyranids "use" is alive
restive turtle
They are living separate beings
storm jungle
yep
gaunt vector
kinda. I think that they are symbiotic
storm jungle
its more or so like the hivegun from Half life?
they just... shove their hands into it
gaunt vector
kinda. I think that they are symbiotic
or however u spell that
cursive hull
Symbiotic.
restive turtle
A single Gaunt consists of several independent living beings, even the Blood iirc is somewhat its own.
restive turtle
A lot of the Ammo they fire are also independent living organisms
dim totem
It had a gun made out of tissue
dim totem
I don't remember the movie lol saw it like 20 years ago
restive turtle
Frenly reminder an Ork once used a Tyranid Bio gun to shoot with
dim totem
Ahh
restive turtle
He was very happy about feeding it so it could keep dakka
cursive hull
If memory serves me
cursive hull
The larger Tyranid biorganisms are typically more attached to their weaponry.
Anyway
Tyranid guns are gross
restive turtle
but effective
restive turtle
I think some of the things Warriors and Carnifexes shoot with can semi change direction mid air to more likely hit targets
storm jungle
AAAAAAA
vapid tiger
pretty sure the deathspitter is just a cum gun
The colon reacts to the corrosive flesh of the maggot by producing a powerful spasm to launch the creature out of the weapon. The maggot then impacts with something, splattering over a wide area and killing with a combination of velocity, poison and corrosive slime. The slime can eat through flesh and armour with ease
cursive hull
Nids are gross, that's all I have to say.
cursive hull
Eh
I see them as two different things for two different uses.
40k has more interesting ground combat to me.
But Star Wars naval warfare can be interesting in its way.
They're both good in their own unique ways
wicked moss
i mean im talking lore wise
I always liked the morally grey characters and bad guys over the good guys in Starwars
similarly the Tau is my least favorite race, but not by much
I like the fact that everyone is to a degree "bad"
cursive hull
Shrug
Star Wars functions on a different premise and morality scale
wicked moss
Ive also always yearned for a more complex and adult (lol) storytelling
but its also starwars, and its forever catered to kids and younger audiences so I get it
cursive hull
Well...
wicked moss
Damn, I really traded in my lightsaber and happy feelings for a lasgun and pain 😔
cursive hull
Complex definitely depends from writer to writer, lol
wicked moss
Maybe this is what growing up is
restive turtle
After I had read 2 40k Novels, I actually struggled with continuing to watch Clone Wars because of the difference in their vocabulary lol
storm jungle
Yeah I was kind of in the same place at first
aka the "Damn 40k is so cool it ruined all sci-fi for me" but the more i got into it the more I realised that 40k is pretty similiar to some others in that regard 
I dont think the writing exactly helps either when you get familiar with the universe and notice all the cons as much as the pros
cursive hull
40k is nice in its way, but all settings have pros and cons, yeah.
I still kinda base 40k and Warhammer fantasy as my standard and where I pull inspiration from given its my favorite pair of settings
but it isn't perfect
tender igloo
i just really like settings where civilization has pretty much reached its peak already, and it's all downhill from that point on
but i still like certain star wars things, simply because star wars is a lot more hopeful and upbeat. it's a nice contrast for me
dave filoni has also shown that he's not afraid to go to really grim places with star wars either
cursive hull
Star wars can be dark
But tbh
Its shy'd away from the more interesting questions.
I still hold Kotor 2 as the supreme version of what can be done with the Star Wars setting.
Also, fun fact:
If you're familiar with the Maw installation, an Imperial research and experimental weapons facility in the center of "The Maw" a large cluster of black holes, you may be surprised to learn those black holes aren't natural.
Matter of fact, the black holes were created intentionally many years prior to the Galactic civil war.
The Maw is containing an entity that is as close to a dark god as Star Wars could ever have.
Also fun fact: Black Holes weird out force sensitives. They make them deeply unsettled and uncomfortable.
wicked moss
isnt the maw holding the scary space god lady?
cursive hull
Yes
crisp heath
but its also starwars, and its forever catered to kids and younger audiences so ...
Star Wars the movies are aimed for all audiences, but not all the imagery depicted can be understood by kids.
Star Wars movie themes are always on the upbeat ( except for Empire Strikes Back ) because the general idea is that the galaxy is already kinda fucked
And only a hopeful young hero can save it
The mistake in the prequels is that they dive too much into politics that nobody cares about
And the sequels' mistake is that they tried to recapture lightning in a bottle
By running it through corporation marketting 1000x before letting it push out
But the more adult depictions of star wars is about as dark as 40k at times
You just don't see it since they're either
- hidden by obscure lore
- In one of the weird EU books
- forgotten by disney because they want an all ages franchise
wicked moss
Alot of that is non-canon now anyway
crisp heath
Canon doesn't really matter anyway when the official canon is kinda trash
40k has a lot of similar issues with canon
We can just ignore it cos it sucks
Otherwise we'd have to pretend that you can indeed backflip in terminator armor
Since dow3 is canon for instance
wicked moss
oh i dont doubt that, Im just saying 40ks setting is much more interesting now that im older
alot more morally gray and intriguing characters, along with the really goofy characters that I love about starwars
crisp heath
They're both equally interesting
Just in different ways
Star Wars has a lot more leniency to explore morality
And redemption
40k on the other hand is about making do in a grim universe
It's all about what you prioritize
wicked moss
I find the making do in a grim universe alot more intriguing than the saving the galaxy feel of starwars
dont get me wrong, I love starwars to death
but I find myself losing interest in newer media
crisp heath
They never even save the galaxy kek
It's the framing's issue really
But that's because newer star wars has awful focus
episode 8 for instance isn't just illogical
It's also tonally deaf
literally all my friends died and I'm like the 10% of people who escaped
let's all party, lol
Wat
New Star Wars is the equivalent of bolter porn
You have some rough moments
Some people die
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Counter argument, the politics of the prequels were poorly handled.
It could have been better done.
Granted, The Clone Wars cartoon had more time to flesh out the idea and actually somewhat made the Confederacy of Independent Systems more likable.
crisp heath
But the good guys win anyway and you end up with
Ye lol thos is gr8
crisp heath
Counter argument, the politics of the prequels were poorly handled.
It could h...
Very poorly handled
Mostly because they force it in as a way to introduce backstory
When you literally could care less about a nobody faction getting taxed
The sequel ironically had a better intro for instance
Finn being all shell shocked at losing one of his buddy stormtrooper friends
That's how you make a setting
Not
please wait in this room and let's talk about taxes
wicked moss
Star wars rn is pretty kid friendly, even with more adult orientated shit like mandalorian
which I do like
and with that, I think ive just started to gravitate to either older non-canon content and 40k
crisp heath
Based
Honestly
The only adult(ish) film they released is Rogue One
And even that film was widely misinterpreted by the audience as
rebels are secretly evil terrorists lol
wicked moss
I kinda thought that movie was boring
crisp heath
So makes sense they'd just cater to kids (and man kids)
wicked moss
Bro I kinda wish the movie was about the rebels being terrorists
puts a whole new light on the rebellion
crisp heath
Because if your adult fanbase misinterprets the ideas THAT HARD
Well
Rogue one tried that
It just didn't lean too into it
wicked moss
they shoulda went full send
crisp heath
Probably to avoid bar parallels
You already kinda see it
hero guy shoots an informant dead instead of letting him live
dude is tasked to murder heroine's father so he can't help the empire more
they kinda bomb a lot of places on the way without really caring about who's inside
But
Star Wars audiences kinda just drool and forgot the theme haha
But I'm not really surprised in the end. When you have people unironically saying the space nazis were right
And then a whole OTHER group of people who are trying to "cancel" people who like stormtrooper armor
You're better off not introducing deeper concepts lol
Let it stay as a kid franchise
the current audience is really just not introspective ( or tame ) enough for the themes
wicked moss
I wanna see a dude get ermaced via force crush
cmon disney
buncha slack dick weasles
crisp heath
If only
Darth Bane did that like
Every other day lol
Meanwhile disney be like
makes your mama joke
Wtf
wicked moss
also why I enjoyed clone wars abit more
cursive hull
I don't trust the current writers with Bane, or any of the KOTOR or other old republic content.
Maybe the folks who did the Mandalorian, but even then.
wicked moss
Hey remember obiwans love interest? THAT BITCH DEAD AS HELL, ON SCREEN, WHILE OBIWAN WATCHED
Like
crisp heath
I don't trust the current writers with Bane, or any of the KOTOR or other old re...
Same
crisp heath
I dont't trust any of the good EU stories to any of the current SW writers
I'd even say I wouldnt trust them with the BAD EU novels lol
wicked moss
As badly as I want a Reven show or movie, yeah no
wicked moss
Fucking weird
crisp heath
Had my favorite moments ( yuuzhan vong )
cursive hull
Yeah.
crisp heath
And the weirdest shit ever
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Most of the post Endor content for the EU tended to be great
wicked moss
Like, Exar Kun was wierd
crisp heath
I'm really just salty they killed Jaina solo
cursive hull
Because it actually made sense.
crisp heath
Can you imagine
Mandalorian Jedi?
Fucking based
instead we get Rey
🤮
I didn't hate kylo ren too much
He just was bad compared to Jacen Solo
wicked moss
Lukes discendent being a smuggler addicted to death sticks while lukes force ghost scolds him
weird
wicked moss
GET MY BOY KYLE KATAARN IN THERE
crisp heath
The purple haired lady
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I would have loved the newly minted New Republic getting a best of reel for the sequel trilogy, ending with just before the yuuzhan vong invasion, or something.
crisp heath
Hux
wicked moss
HE'LL MAKE EERYTHING RIGHT
crisp heath
Eesh
crisp heath
I would have loved the newly minted New Republic getting a best of reel for the ...
Sounds good
Fingers crossed they actually stop trying to make Marvel in Disney
cursive hull
Instead, they decided to throw what was undeniably the most logical way of doing it into the trash.
crisp heath
But I doubt it
cursive hull
Like... What was wrong with the Imperial Warlords story line?
Why or how did the New Republic form so fast and take over the core systems so smoothly?
wicked moss
Oh yeah, after he empire dies it just...dissapears?
crisp heath
They just kinda exploded and took over the empire
cursive hull
And yet why is it so weak to fight the presumed sole remaining warlord faction, the First Order
crisp heath
Luke and Leia and the rebels
Were so incompetent
That the first order just trolololed
And took over everything the empire had
And set them on the back foot randomly
Just
What
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This is why the original idea at least made sense
crisp heath
And I could buy it
IF they had like
Thrawn
Or Darth Vader like dudes on the scene
But admiral hux?
That crybaby?
Kylo Ren?
Really expecting me those two are the elites of a grand armada that took over the known galaxy again?
Too many gaps in logic that it just asks you to buy into without showing it
The equivalent of a
"Trust me bro it's true"
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It took the Rebels ages to get to Coruscant, and even after they did in the OG EU timeline they had to basically slowly politically out maneuver or outright crush what warlord factions remained, often at great cost, considering so many warlord factions had Super Star Destroyers as their flagships.
That and being nearly pushed back into the outer rim multiple times, like during Thrawn's return, the original resurrection of Palpatine, etc.
OG EU was slow, and wasn't always amazing quality or logic
But I feel like the general premise for post Endor was solid
crisp heath
Slow makes sense anyway when you have to consider that not everyone hated the empire
Or even likes the rebels
It was something the EU did okay I think
Exploring the idea that not everyone has the same ideas of what freedom and equality meant
Also
first order made another death star randomly
The fuk
How
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Thing is, slow makes it hard to make movies on the idea.
Which is why I pointed to the idea of a best of reel. Take the best moments from each era leading to the Vong invasion.
Then you'd have even more sequel bait
crisp heath
Thing is, slow makes it hard to make movies on the idea.
Which is why I pointed...
Ye that's fair
Honestly can you imagine the jedi getting acid puked on in the Yuuzhan vong
That's metal
AND catches your attention
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...Couldn't be any more gross than
crisp heath
A force resistant enemy that just
Murders you
crisp heath
Kek
Reminder that Mark hamil was like
that's not luke wtf
Until disney made him shut up
cursive hull
I would have been livid.
crisp heath
Same
The man who was getting murdered by his father
Was like
I still believe in you
Meanwhile his nephew?
Lost cause
Just murder him already
I don't even hate the premise of salty, all hope is lost Luke
But the EU had it when Mara Jade ( his wife) died
The movies just ask you to take that as canon.... just because kylo is evil
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Hamill has a lot of range and ability, so like, its untrue to say Luke is the only good role he's ever done, it'd be a bold faced lie for sure.
But Mark Hamill got his headstart off of Luke. I'd feel pretty slighted to have control of such a character ripped out of my hands.
But I think Hamill was too professional to bitch too openly about it beyond what he did.
ebon plinth
just wondering, I've been reading a lot of comments from people angry toward primaris SM. I'm fairly new in the w40k universe, anybody could explain why is there so much hate ?
From my POV, it's a huge breakthrough for the Imperium with Belisarius not giving a single fuck about tech heresy, and gives a bit more power to a faction that lost so much (even though I do think pre-heresy Imperium was op as hell)
I'm not into the hobby, but I did understand that since primaris are way more powerful than vanilla SM, it felt like 
was just pushing people to rebuild their entire armies around those models
crisp heath
A lot of reasons
cursive hull
Its the base fear that Primaris are liable to replace the First Born
crisp heath
One is that it's lazy writing asspull
The 2nd is as carro said
The third is a real life issue
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Like, consider, most of the important characters are still First Born.
We've had nothing but First Born for ages. Its easy to get attached to them.
cursive hull
That, and it'd give the already quite lucky Imperium yet another power boost
They don't need to be winning, that sorta defeats the purpose of the setting,.
crisp heath
space marine first borns are still restricted to their doctrine bs
primaris tho? Randomly 100k of them
cursive hull
As it stands, I don't mind the current implementation, and I hope it stays this way.
(And hobby wise, the first born should get new models at a proper scale.)
cursive hull
In general. I think Primaris work best as they are now.
A specialist group meant to be used as reinforcements for the mostly still First Born dependent Space Marine forces of the Imperium.
And yeah, the writing surrounding them is...
Not fantastic.
crisp heath
Same
The scale is my biggest concern
Abruptly supplanting the firstborn in number seems really weird to me
Since essentially then
They're literally just better space marines
ebon plinth
gw has always been super bad at scaling stuff (looking at you ullanor)
cursive hull
It certainly doesn't make sense that the super paranoid Imperium would even so much as tolerate more than a small number of marines being made, maybe so little as chapter strength, especially for Primaris.
It should have caused pants shitting terror to realize that Cawl was basically legion building without telling anyone.
Hell, Guilliman should receive endless tides of complaints for allowing the Primaris to continue to be manufactured at such a pace.
crisp heath
Ye
cursive hull
"You literally wrote a book about why we can't have legions anymore. Why are you making Legion strength groups of even better marines."
crisp heath
As it is
This is a cheat way for GW to "reset" imperium strength
Since now you can just handwave dead sm's from chapters by going
"Primaris now helps them"
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As it stands though. I will say this as far as Guilliman stands.
Him being depressed by the Modern Imperium tracks
crisp heath
aren't Primaris weaker than first born?
cursive hull
Absolutely not
crisp heath
aren't Primaris weaker than first born?
Inherently stronger
But more green
Experience trumps innate talent
but a new space marine
And a new primaris? Primaris wins
cursive hull
They're inherently more durable, stronger, and are given more advanced (And notably, newer) wargear.
The only issue with them is their lack of their experience.
crisp heath
Yup
ah i see
So your sternguards can still whoop primaris ass
But if they're on an equal level, theoretically, a primaris always has the advantage
cursive hull
(Or any marine who's been alive long enough to get terminator honors for that matter.)
But yes.
crisp heath
Their big drawback iirc is mainly their lack of interaction with chaos
this is why i play Astra Militarum instead of spessmehreens
atomic pelican
Cawl asspulling knows no bounds
crisp heath
Which, depending on chapter, is huge
atomic pelican
He shall soon pull gloves bigger than calgars
crisp heath
AM will always suck, no need to argue about scions being too tough or whatever
cursive hull
He shall soon pull gloves bigger than calgars
FEATURE CREEP CONFIRMED 
🔘
crisp heath
Tbf
Xenos and chaos r just broken
Lasguns would be perfectly op if it's normal human vs human
But when xenos pull magical bullshit all the time
cursive hull
Yeah, I'd be wary of saying "AM suck."
crisp heath
Or are just generally much tougher than an average dude
It's kinda weird
well AM has probably THE cheesiest strat in all of 40k
Lasguns for instance have recorded cutting orks in half
but playing them like a normal functioning human being is not great
But orks still survive long enough to kill people anyway
I just call that xenos bullshittery
cursive hull
Isn't it still canon that a decapitated Ork can have their head stitched back on upside down and backwards and go on about their business like nothing happened because Pain Doc bullshit?
atomic pelican
Yes
crisp heath
Yes
cursive hull
Figured
Not that that's a bad thing
Orks are basically the comedic relief half the time anyway.
The other half they get to actually be interesting.
Certainly saved DoW3 from being nothing but misery and pain.
crisp heath
Citing orkz for all xenos being brokwn
Dw
I just mean it as one of the examples of random hax
then it's not so funny anymore
De is still the most bullshit plot armor
atomic pelican
DoW3 has music which slapped atleast
cursive hull
This is true
atomic pelican
For both CWE and Orkz
crisp heath
Mister
I can spawn a black hole out of my ass I just don't want to atm
crisp heath
Or Chaos
cursive hull
And then you have the Necrons, who are so advanced most people just assume they're magic.
crisp heath
Chaos in lore be like
atomic pelican
Yeah this is ignoring that necrons have shit like the world engine
crisp heath
I can literally make a psyker explode into billions of demons
to be fair Necrons are like 50% magic
cursive hull
If Trazyn was more malicious than he is, he'd already be sole ruler of the setting.
atomic pelican
Squat horus heresy. Give us war in heaven tabletop
glad prism
Absolutely is still
crisp heath
Squat horus heresy. Give us war in heaven tabletop
I'd play Korks
glad prism
There are more absurd examples I think still
crisp heath
Just smash all the eldar
cursive hull
...I do wonder what Eldar think of Necron tech.
atomic pelican
Krorks and eldar were allies
crisp heath
Only until the necrons died
atomic pelican
Thatd be a funny mechanic
crisp heath
👁️
atomic pelican
Vs necrons was the war in heaven
crisp heath
Come to think of it
Pre fall aeldari would be interesting
Because like 90% of them would just be degenewates
That's somehow hilarious to me
atomic pelican
...I do wonder what Eldar think of Necron tech.
I do recall reading a passage talking abt how the eldar seeing necron tech and their own as abt equals
Itd just be drukhari
cursive hull
Ultimately, I'm just glad we don't actually know that much about the war in heaven and other pre Imperium stuff.
crisp heath
Ultimately, I'm just glad we don't actually know that much about the war in heav...
Same
cursive hull
We don't need the entire setting explained to us utterly.
crisp heath
Honestly even HH is kinda pushing it for me I think
atomic pelican
Haha nah, heres ur 50+ HH books which all suck
crisp heath
I didn't need to know the minutiae of it
The only cool thing I appreciate in HH is rlly Malcador
And the Abnett HH books
atomic pelican
Abnett gets the abnett pass
cursive hull
I do recall reading a passage talking abt how the eldar seeing necron tech and t...
Kinda makes sense?
The Eldar kinda do the same thing, but they don't blatantly cheat like the Necron do.
atomic pelican
Yeah I think theres almost a modem of respect between the two as enemies
Since they are the og
cursive hull
And, it would make sense that the Eldar would know how the Necron stuff works, but wouldn't bother trying to explain it to anyone else, so the audience (us) never learns either.
crisp heath
Ayt I gotta make lunch
Ciao :wave: haffun
cursive hull
Given they're like... The ancestral enemies of the setting?
I'm surprised we didn't get one before now.
atomic pelican
Yep
visual pumice
xenos races sadly
cursive hull
I do wish we'd get Trazyn and like... Eldrad or someone having a piss taking contest.
Or both verbally shitting on the Imperium.
atomic pelican
I just want biel tan back im so tired of eldrad sucking
or really every named cwe char
Other than maybe Jain tho she only shows up rarely
Or any of the phoenix lords who are fridged
Fridged until new model™️
So eternity
restive turtle
aka the "Damn 40k is so cool it ruined all sci-fi for me" but the more i got int...
Well for Clone Wars specifically it was because, at least up to season 5, that the way they worded themselves were more simple than what you read in 40k Novels, it did get better but its probably understandable given the audience it was made for.
cloud kindle
early seasons were very kid like
then season 5 onwards is like HEY KIDS YOU WANT TO SEE SOME W A R C R I M E S
storm jungle
All the seasons were pretty violent lmao
Its more that the themes got more mature, technically speaking
storm jungle
It wasnt exactly a "couple" but yeah it got pretty metal the more it went on
as long as no blood is shown all is fair game
cloud kindle
executed before order 66 was cool
i made you angry now ill make you sad
to think the one person to nearly unravel palpys web was a clone
dim totem
https://tenor.com/view/krell-because-i-can-because-you-fell-for-it-because-youre...
Isn't that the guy who owns the diner and helps obi wan in the second movie?
dim totem
Yh I was just fucking around
cloud kindle
pong krell is a cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnntttttttttt
dim totem
Man I loved the cis
I wish we had cis in warhammer
Space capitalist with a funny robot army
And several Xenos races included in it
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I actually like that the battledroid army wasn't a terrible idea.
It worked for the Confederacy
cursive hull
Kiiiinda same?
dim totem
They got all the cool things
cursive hull
The Confederate navy is definitely really fucking cool.
visual pumice
magna guards
dim totem
Those cool alien leaders
cloud kindle
you forget commando droids
versed chasm
honestly i hate the confederate navy. army is cool, but their ship designs are
peak hamlet
They got this spider looking general too
cursive hull
I know who you're talking about but I've forgotten his name and I feel bad
peak hamlet
And some kind of sniper droidekas
cloud kindle
still prefer clones though
peak hamlet
Oh and these odd thanks on geonosis
cloud kindle
super battle tanks
visual pumice
I know who you're talking about but I've forgotten his name and I feel bad
Admiral Trench
peak hamlet
super battle tanks
Oof how did i forget that name
cloud kindle
i know right
peak hamlet
Admiral Trench
Oooooooooo thx!!!!
cloud kindle
iconic
visual pumice
love the clicking
peak hamlet
super battle tanks
Yeah that was one of the more lazy names
peak hamlet
love the clicking
Same
cursive hull
Also
Especially in the Clone Wars mod for Empire at war, where he casually improves every last ship in the fleet by his mere existence
peak hamlet
And his cyborg version looked cool too
cursive hull
Laughs in superior numbers
cloud kindle
then he made the mistake of thinking anakin had such weakness
cerulean wagon
Yeah that was one of the more lazy names
take it your not a fan of super battle droids either
cursive hull
Also, that was a Lucrehulk
Lucrehulk's are... Actually kinda one of the worst or best warships of the clone wars depending on which type.
There are two
peak hamlet
take it your not a fan of super battle droids either
Their name is ok i guess
Still lazy but.. idk
cloud kindle
looks like im in charge now
visual pumice
super battle droid is just a colloquial thing no?
cursive hull
Super Battle Droids are... Okay? But the B1 is more iconic
cloud kindle
cursive hull
Even if its a piece of shit in lore
visual pumice
it's cheap!
cursive hull
Well
visual pumice
costs less than a clone i think
cursive hull
I didn't say that was bad
And yeah, a lot less
That's why they can deploy them in massive swarms
They also have to deploy them in massive swarms
cursive hull
Again, the CIS strategy of numbers over quality isn't the worst idea? Especially because they do have a few options designed to be quality over quantity.
cursive hull
B2 is definitely the design name
visual pumice
Again, the CIS strategy of numbers over quality isn't the worst idea? Especially...
considering it's all bankers and stuff running a pmc they aren't that bad
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...In fairness, a lot of these designs were either used by said bankers previously as enforcers to collect debt or were security models.
So they were even combat proven prior to the Clone Wars.
Remember the "Snail Droid" the NR-N99 persuader?
visual pumice
yeah
visual pumice
the mini spider droids aswell. they're made to go into mines and murder dissenters
cursive hull
Bother spider droids were designed that way, I believe
visual pumice
probably
cursive hull
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/a9/SpiderDroids-Droidography.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20200204152540 They worked in packs
cloud kindle
what was the giant walker droid called
dim totem
Man I need to replay that game
cloud kindle
the one with guns on a rotating platform
visual pumice
OM 1 or something
dim totem
Oof im late
cursive hull
The OG-9 Homing spider droid (The big one) would use the smaller ones, the DSD1 (The smaller ones) would be its eyes and scout for it
dim totem
Empire at war I mean
cursive hull
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/databank_ddttank_01_169_8b178f02.jpeg?r...
*THE DEFOLIATOR!
peak hamlet
****THE DEFOLIATOR!***
I love it
visual pumice
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/databank_ddttank_01_169_8b178f02.jpeg?r...
was that the guy that was bullying the scottish monkeys?
cloud kindle
only used once
peak hamlet
was that the guy that was bullying the scottish monkeys?
YES
dim totem
I want capitalist droids in 40k now
cursive hull
Voiced by sexy George Takei
dim totem
james pls
visual pumice
OH
cursive hull
The tripods that rotate and fire their laser cannons
peak hamlet
They were fucking huge
cloud kindle
was a clever invasion
cursive hull
Just... Man... I like that the Confederacy of Independent Systems gets to be competent.
peak hamlet
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/3/3e/TridentDrills-ARCT.png/re...
I also loved the shot where a clone fired a missile at one of them
crisp heath
Just... Man... I like that the Confederacy of Independent Systems gets to be com...
Play that aoe2 star wars game
The CIS has some cool shit in that game
And aren't just throwaway jokes
cursive hull
Clones are soldiers created for that singular purpose. They don't get a choice about it and are considered actual traitors if they don't want to be soldiers.
But
Clones have enough personality and individuality that they're usually likable or passable.
And that was what Clone Wars did best
Made the Clones likable characters with personality.
cloud kindle
peak hamlet
Whos the center dude?
cloud kindle
fox
peak hamlet
What did he do?
cloud kindle
aka guy who shot fives
crisp heath
Republic commando was fucking ham
cloud kindle
also tried to shoot ahsoka
peak hamlet
Also i love the green dude on the left
cloud kindle
he died by darth vaders hand
crisp heath
I forgot the official canon
peak hamlet
Oof so hes trigger happy one
crisp heath
Do they
I remember one clone group not betraying the jedi
Or maybe I'm misremembering
visual pumice
Commander Doom is my favourite
crisp heath
It's been a while since I remembered clone lore outside of Jangotat
cloud kindle
new canon almost all clones obeyed the programming with few exceptions
crisp heath
Sad
cloud kindle
rex was only able to resist it for a few precious seconds
cursive hull
The real irony is
The CIS was shit scared that its battledroid army would turn around and blow it to pieces.
Hence why many battledroids were limited in intellect with few exceptions.
But it wasn't the CIS who had to worry about their soldiers being used against them.
versed chasm
bad batch spoilers: ||the bad batch squad didnt turn on the Jedi||
crisp heath
Based batch
cerulean wagon
Do they
I remember one clone group not betraying the jedi
a whole bunch have now
they keep adding more clones to the "no betrayal" pile
cloud kindle
crisp heath
they keep adding more clones to the "no betrayal" pile
Interesting.
I've kinda dropped star wars after episode 8 killed me inside
cloud kindle
just pretend last two didnt happen
versed chasm
i like how they added him de-cockig the gun that doesnt have a hammer
crisp heath
So my knowledge is really just restricted to EU books until Jacen/Jaina solo t a
Which makes me sadder
Because no evil jacen solo and jaina jedi bounty hunter
versed chasm
since most of the EU is now shrodinger's cannon?
cloud kindle
kinda
cloud kindle
filoni has been reviving bits and pieces
crisp heath
Like thrawn
And I think dash rendarr?
Kinda?
As an easter egg shit or w/e
In the special editions of 4-6
Kyle katarn I think is also technically canon
versed chasm
and rise of skywalker brough back palp clones. the sotrylines are not cannon, but individual plot points and places can be cannon
crisp heath
Ye it's kind of a mess
versed chasm
all EU stuff is not cannon, until an official licensed movie/show/game/book brings it back
crisp heath
So probably never lmao
peak hamlet
Anybody read this btw?
cloud kindle
mortis is canon
peak hamlet
cloud kindle
though not sure if abaloth counts
crisp heath
Yuzzhan vong being canon would be hilarious
versed chasm
for whole storylines yes, but like above plot points characters places and others bit can be used
cloud kindle
isnt it the griss or something now
cursive hull
So Star Wars Zombies is canon?
crisp heath
I can't imagine disney playing with rituallistically scarring evil aliens
With force resistant mutant pets
peak hamlet
*So Star Wars Zombies is canon?*
Nah, thats pre disney
cloud kindle
what did thrawn and vader fight against in the book
cursive hull
But like...
crisp heath
Uhhh
cursive hull
Red Harvest is the prequel to the zombies
peak hamlet
Red Harvest is the prequel to the zombies
The ones from his other book right?
cloud kindle
vader got annoyed cause thrawn deduced who he was
though he did think the TIE defender was pretty neat
cursive hull
Yee
crisp heath
Don't remember sadly
versed chasm
pretty sure red harvest was pre EU culling
cloud kindle
cloud kindle
no argument here
cloud kindle
shhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
dim totem
THEY DID NOT
vapid tiger
Bring back mara jade
Mara Jade is gross
cerulean wagon
its not recent
its literaly 1st edition
like, before it was called 40k 1st edition
crisp heath
Mara Jade is gross
Hands are gross
So I agree
crisp heath
Ngl
I like her mainly because breaking Luke that way was based
And it also made Jacen mega based
Killing your uncle's (kinda boring) wife
B-)
vapid tiger
all the post-rotj stuff from legends was fanfic tier
mara jade is just a horny big tiddy sith lady for fans to wank over and luke to get with due to nerds being nerds
crisp heath
Thrawn was fine
The Yuuzhan vong stuff I still like
The shit with uhh
Darth caedus was also alright I think
vapid tiger
yuuzhan vong are a 40k race put in star wars
crisp heath
More because I'm a jaina solo fan
crisp heath
yuuzhan vong are a 40k race put in star wars
Ye pretty much lol
Star wars galaxy collectively shit their pants at an alien that takes no fucks
All well and good tbh
vapid tiger
I didn't think it was possible
But I just found the worst take on 40k
and I'm not sure whether or not I should post it here
crisp heath
What's worse than "I wish 40k imperium is real life"
vapid tiger
It comes from a now defunct neo-nazi website called the "traditional youth network"
Which should give you an idea
crisp heath
I'll give it a looksee
Wouldnt be the first time people did weird things with franchises I enjoy
star wars, history, dynasty warriors
tau space communists but unironically
dim totem
What do ppl do with dynasty warriors
crisp heath
What do ppl do with dynasty warriors <:lul:825836255853674540>
use it as a way to excuse that old time ancient china was super progressive and that women weren't discriminated against
Usual wannabe nerd taking dynasty warriors as history shit
Really muddles historical talk about ancient china when someone unironically says "Ye but women were loved during the 3kingdoms just look at this character who was definitely not raped and killed in history"
Super cringe lol
dim totem
Uhu
vapid tiger
dynasty warriors was made using time travel akshully
cursive hull
The Three Kingdoms was partially escalated thanks to a woman being used as bait.
crisp heath
Unironically
someone was excusing Zhang Fei taking a 14 year old girl as his wife ( one of Xiahou Yuan's nieces )
cursive hull
Like, what?
crisp heath
And his defense was
vapid tiger
oh no
crisp heath
it would've been worse if he didnt love her anyway so it's ok he treats her well anyway
Me: leaves discord asap
cursive hull
The Three Kingdoms is an ancient Chinese work of classical literature.
Anything as old as it is going to have misogyny in it and characterized as normal*
crisp heath
The Three Kingdoms is an ancient Chinese work of classical literature.
Anything...
Ye exactly
And then dude is like
but actually women had it better
vapid tiger
> it would've been worse if he didnt love her anyway so it's ok he treats her we...
Isn't this the kind of stuff actual sex offenders say?
crisp heath
cos men would.get killed and stuff and starve and women just got-
errant mauve
Dynasty Warriors fans when they find out that Romance of the 3 Kingdoms is neither accurate nor a primary source
crisp heath
Isn't this the kind of stuff actual sex offenders say?
Yeee.
errant mauve
crisp heath
Worst part is
The pure simping for it
Nobody's lambasting the historical figures for being weird and dated
But defending their clearly dated ideas
Is actually really cringe
errant mauve
It's a pretty good book, not sure how the English translation reads.
crisp heath
Depends on the translation
Usually it's just a bit dry
cursive hull
The Romance is very, very good as a story when you take into account how old it is and the moods of the time.
And yeah, it reads very dry
But
The idea of benevolence it espouses is old and dated.
crisp heath
Still fine and fun and silly
crisp heath
*The idea of benevolence it espouses is old and dated.*
Ye. The confucianism theory they follow even espouses things like nepotism
Since treating your family good is all part of good confucian lifestyle
Very understandable as a read on history
But still dated and not something to defend
We know that shit is old and outdated
Nobody's saying they should be canceled for it or w/e
It just is what it is
cursive hull
It does feel like real events being twisted into a bit of a fantasy spin in places, when it gets at its driest.
And, yeah.
crisp heath
https://archive.li/QY5Sp
Also I finished the article
Pure pepega is all I can say
Unironically wanting people to be as throwaway as Imperial Guard to root out "degenerates"
Thank god this is all crazy talk
cursive hull
As an American. The fact this kind of talk is normalized makes me... Uncomfortable.
Normalized in my country*
crisp heath
It happens.
I get some of the same vibes here
People who unironically are okay with military states and police states because they're "confident they're not the degenerates"
Big cringe
errant mauve
It does feel like real events being twisted into a bit of a fantasy spin in plac...
There's a saying in Chinese that it's "Seven parts fact, three parts fiction" and even then its a bit generous.
crisp heath
There's a saying in Chinese that it's "Seven parts fact, three parts fiction" an...
hahahaha bit too generous if you ask me
but I kinda get the idea
cursive hull
Very very generous.
crisp heath
specially when some of the silly parts are hilariously fun
Guan Yu coming back from the dead to scare Lu Meng to death
cursive hull
Also, wasn't Guan Yu's weapon pure jade or something?
errant mauve
But it's pretty much an idiom for "the events happened, we just decided to add in a ton of embellishments lmao"
crisp heath
his guandao?
errant mauve
I remember getting into an argument over the weight of the Guan Yu's weapon on another server 
cursive hull
Yee
crisp heath
I remember getting into an argument over the weight of the Guan Yu's weapon on a...
kek
cursive hull
Its supposed to be fucking heavy, too heavy to wield by a normal human, anyway.
crisp heath
well he IS the god of war
with the mega sexy beard
What amuses me more is they turned his historical son into his adopted son
Why?
errant mauve
It's around 44 kilograms in Romance of the Three Kingdoms
crisp heath
idk it's cooler that way I guess?
errant mauve
Even though the author himself notes that "guys, I just made these weapons up lmao"
crisp heath
also I'mm a big fan of Luo Guanzhong's fake generals
cursive hull
Still prefer Guan Yu's other title as god of brotherhood
crisp heath
Zhou Cang is still the bro-est bro ever even if he didn't exist lol
cursive hull
Even though he was full of himself, a lot, and it was played off as literally "He's just that good."
crisp heath
Also Zhang Jue's brothers getting to cast magic is always funny to me
cursive hull
...I can feel my social credits draining away just talking about this.
Not that I had any to start with, being a filthy American
crisp heath
it's all in good fun anyway
nothing offensive or censorable I think-
cursive hull
Also, yeah
44 Kilos is too god damn heavy for a weapon
Sure, you can lift that and swing it around
But do you want to?
errant mauve
The virgin historical Chinese soldier
- Used a ordinary halberd like a plebe
- Wore lamellar
The Chad Guan Yu - Defy the laws of physics and swing a 44 kilo Guandao
crisp heath
ayt I need to ciao again
gonna make some later dinner 👋 Stay safe, you two
errant mauve
Have a good one
cursive hull
yeee
vapid tiger
Thank god this is all crazy talk
Still concerning that there's real people like this
final spruce
Back to #865730416799645696 @errant mauve
cursive hull
And that people deny they exist.
A particular Carlson is definitely basically worshipped by Storm front, and Storm front has admitted it time and time again.
errant mauve
What's storm front?
cursive hull
American Neo Nazi group
errant mauve
well.
cursive hull
They love this particular Carlson.
errant mauve
cursive hull
But people don't even fucking acknowledge that being adored by Neo Nazi's is bad.
"Yeah, but he doesn't associate with them!"
Doesn't matter.
If they like you so much they release a statement saying they don't need a spokesperson because you do the job better than they could?
You're a bad person
vapid tiger
yup
odd sparrow
oh lord what's trad youth
storm jungle
Im late
odd sparrow
local rich kids who miss when u were allowed to say slurs?
storm jungle
whats going on
cursive hull
Fascist group, apparently, now defunct. At least the website.
odd sparrow
yey
errant mauve
https://archive.li/QY5Sp
This article
storm jungle
odd sparrow
larpy fashy kids are always a fun time
like YEAH GOD, MY CULTURE AND FOLK, I'D DIE FOR ME AND MY OWN yeah uh huh pls go on sir
get to the part where u blame it on the black people i know it's coming
cursive hull
Especially because the majority of them would get fucked by the same system they circle jerk over.
storm jungle
odd sparrow
where's the 19th century racial pseudoscience
cmon bring up IQ
i've heard it all so many times
U also can't miss all the roman and viking larping. Or ancient greeks
errant mauve
It's weird that they love larping such homoerotic cultures so much when... you know
odd sparrow
anything that invokes the right image of ~western civilisation~ despite the fact that those greeks were into mlm buttstuff and vikings had hermaphrodite gods
errant mauve
cursive hull
(Which, again. These Societies, discounting "Viking" because its mostly pure fantasy where as the rest are mostly fantasy, would fuck over these people *specifically.)
plucky moth
100% Aryan bloodline ofc
hides 23&me
odd sparrow
lets go pray at the local coastal monastery™️
oh lol that's another thing actually
american bloodlines tend to be a giant melting pot, how many do u think are even like 90% of aryan adjacent 'races'
odd sparrow
ye the idea of a race is fake bullshit but like, still
plucky moth
Mongrel gang rise up
errant mauve
Noble vikings help rescue precious religious relics from a burning church
odd sparrow
at least the nazis dont tend to stan saxons
they'd be far more fitting given they converted to christianity far earlier and actually fought the then pagan danes
peak hamlet
Chad saxon lad: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Lucas_Cranach_the_Younger_-_Prince_Elector_Moritz_of_Saxony_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
eternal ledge
american bloodlines tend to be a giant melting pot, how many do u think are even...
Oh yeah my parents did one in 2019. Interesting results. Turns out my moms side of the family with the last name O'Rourke is not as Irish as we thought
odd sparrow
in germany or smthn
peak hamlet
that's saxony u turd
Saxon is saxon 😎
odd sparrow
perish
odd sparrow
Oh yeah my parents did one in 2019. Interesting results. Turns out my moms side ...
over here they tend to be waaay more boring
cerulean wagon
at least the nazis dont tend to stan saxons
i think most of them probably believe a saxon is a type of instrument
storm jungle
Also I was gone for like 2 hours, how did this go from Clone Wars to Nazis then Saxons
help
odd sparrow
I've not done a test cus if they want my genetics they can take them forcefully but like, from what i can tell my family has basically been vibing in the exact same area of england for centuries
we've got like
maybe one welsh dude, a scottish dude and an irish lady
and that's it diversity wise
vapid tiger
ye the idea of a race is fake bullshit but like, still
The modern concept of race was made up by the colonial spanish and adopted by everyone else in europe to also justify colonial hierarchy
And then it got progressively worse until the early 20th century, where it reached its head with eugenics
peak hamlet
Also I was gone for like 2 hours, how did this go from Clone Wars to Nazis then ...
Deal with it 😎
eternal ledge
I was in hobby chat talking about new Grey Knights and found this
odd sparrow
Yeah p much. The modern idea of a race feels veeerry rooted in 20th/19th century pseudoscience to me
vapid tiger
Also I was gone for like 2 hours, how did this go from Clone Wars to Nazis then ...
warhammer fans
storm jungle
cursed
odd sparrow
with fat balding rich white cunts leaping on any justification to keep ~the white ppl~ at the top of their ~racial hierarchy~
storm jungle
vapid tiger
Hey at least we're the okay sort and making fun of the shitty warhammer fans
peak hamlet
<:unbased:767464007497678918>
Nooooo
vapid tiger
And not mister "the imperial guard should be real and kill anyone who doesn't want my dumb race war"
cursive hull
I still find it funny that also misses the point of the IG.
plucky moth
The Canadian Guard
cursive hull
Pretty sure the Imperium is more shitty to people in general, not specific races, because they've turned that xenophobia to actual aliens.
storm jungle
time to watch that scene from The Producer
errant mauve
The Canadian Guard
Guys the Canadians have rounded shoulders... 
vapid tiger
Pretty sure the Imperium is more shitty to people in general, not specific races...
Mostly
Although we do have stories like the one where a bunch of grey-skinned but otherwise normal humans who are crewing a trade ship arrive at a planet for repair and resupply, the crew leaves for what passes for shore leave in the imperium, and then get burned at the stake within a week because the local inhabitants mistake them for mutants
like, literally lynched and burned at the stake
cursive hull
Yeah, void born end up abused for looking strange
eternal ledge
I always fall back to this interview
storm jungle
what was the "alt-right" again
cursive hull
And basically Trumpism
storm jungle
man and people ask me why i dont get into politics lol
vapid tiger
It's an obvious racism thing
Not even allegory just literal racism occurs in the imperium
Also abhumans
odd sparrow
i keep track of it purely so that i can keep them the fuck out of my spaces lol
Idc what they do until i can see them
storm jungle
It's an obvious racism thing
Not even allegory just literal racism occurs in th...
Yeah i just assumed its more or so not explored in books for obvious reasons
cursive hull
It's an obvious racism thing
Not even allegory just literal racism occurs in th...
This is true
odd sparrow
at which point pls crawl back into ur hole sir
storm jungle
and people keep saying the imperium is just feudal
odd sparrow
if u wanna masturbate to ur ethno state then pls do it somewhere else
errant mauve
if u wanna masturbate do ur ethno state then pls do it somewhere else
cloud kindle
i mean imperium does have feudal worlds
cursive hull
Ethnostates always amuse me
storm jungle
i mean imperium does have feudal worlds
I meant rulership wise
cursive hull
"I want this thing where I too would be killed because all humans are mutts and I'm too dumb to realize it."
vapid tiger
Although the Imperium's higher ups consider traditional racism and most other forms of human-on-human bigotry as backwards at best and outright heresy at most
But it depends on where you are
storm jungle
when its obviously a parody of fascism
odd sparrow
tbh yeah like
storm jungle
not prominently obviously but its still there
vapid tiger
it heavily depends on where you are
Although abhumans are still oppressed (more than most) everywhere
odd sparrow
everyone is like oh no but it works like this and functions like this so therefore it's a [HOI4 IDEOLOGY]
like no
look at it
it's so obviously meant to be fascist
the fucking aquila looks fash af
odd sparrow
lets not overcomplicate it
cursive hull
Its literally a fascist symbol depending on how you interpret it
cloud kindle
twin birds is supposed to be blind to the past and looking to the future
eternal ledge
One thing I hate about 40k fans especially American fans is they fail to see the satire in ot
cursive hull
The Aquila being basically the same Imperial Eagle used by most of the shits throughout time
storm jungle
Also the hittites where Big E is from
odd sparrow
i mean, symbolism wise all it is is just a big imperial looking symbol symbolising the union between terra and mars
fluff wise that's all it is
storm jungle
Yeah that
vapid tiger
I've noticed that nerds tend to overthink what they consume, which combined with taking everything at face value just results in a lack of critical thinking
storm jungle
and also when 40k first came out it was obviously more satirical
cloud kindle
theres like multiple takes on it
storm jungle
nowadays you can just excuse it for being from anywhere else in history
storm jungle
smh
vapid tiger
But like, actually? it's meant to look fashy and authoritarian
No no you see allusion and symbolism don't exist it's just a union guys !!!!
cloud kindle
big e was big into roman larping
plucky moth
things is most fash were y'know...Roman larping
odd sparrow
so the waters are sorta muddied
cloud kindle
he even larped as alexander the great
storm jungle
I mean, take a look at this image and tell me if it has roman vibes or not
odd sparrow
the whole italian fash thing was like, literally centred around hurr durr
storm jungle
odd sparrow
we're the new rome
storm jungle
cough
eternal ledge
Black Templars still have the Holy Handgranade in their wargear
plucky moth
like it's all rather on the nose
storm jungle
on the beak if you will
plucky moth
lets go conquer a small shred of africa
unlike Rome they then got dunked on by Aussies
odd sparrow
Nazi germany was even more larpy
vapid tiger
I once pointed out to some guy that the "xenos stabbed us in the back" is a clear allusion to the "stabbed in the back" myth perpetuated by nazis after ww1 so clearly the writers are hinting that it's a lie used to make it very convenient to get a shitload of territory from aliens and "disgusting mutant populations"
cursive hull
The best part is how Mussolini didn't even come close
storm jungle
I once pointed out to some guy that the "xenos stabbed us in the back" is a clea...
Even the Emperor himself says it when that statement is clearly suppose to be an accusation without proper backing
odd sparrow
like, honestly imo the term neo nazi or whatever is sorta misleading. it creates the impression that the new skinhead types are somehow seperated or just ~smol weirdo versions~ of the real thing
when they're not
it's fucking identical
cloud kindle
i heard mussolini hung out at gas stations
vapid tiger
And his response was something along the lines of "allusion is a made up concept, lorewise it says the aliens are all bad and backstabbed us, you are bad at reading"
odd sparrow
Fash were always dumbass larpers
storm jungle
But yeah the Imperium was a lot more starship stroopers parody-esque during the trader days, now its obviously a lot more subdued for reasons
that and GW doesnt want to look like neo-nazis i guess
vapid tiger
Fucker didn't realize that I teach people how to read for a living
cloud kindle
i mean he can just be like me and say i dont like xenos
cursive hull
In American circles, your expertise makes you less likely to be listened to.
cloud kindle
problem solved
cursive hull
cries in America
odd sparrow
anti intellectualism is a helluva drug
storm jungle
that and bad writing
cloud kindle
aint that the fucking truth
odd sparrow
flashbacks to oh no my kids go to college and then they come back no longer thinking we need to deport the minorities
storm jungle
Council of Nikea is probably the most prominent example of Big E having brain damage
odd sparrow
surely this is because college is being controlled by subversive leftists
and not that my kids perspective has been broadened beyond my own through education
vapid tiger
It's because a lot of modern GW writers were initially 40k fans who never picked up on that satire and just went for the easy "space marines are heroes" thing
And because that's easier to market it stuck
cloud kindle
i mean the council was a damned if you do damned if you dont situation
storm jungle
It's because a lot of modern GW writers were initially 40k fans who never picked...
cursive hull
Also the whole "Stop canceling our shitheads who go to these colleges and spout garbage all day!"
Dude, people pay for College, they should get a say in who can and cannot come speak there.
eternal ledge
surely this is because college is being controlled by subversive leftists
I also hate when something like
"I don't want people to die because they can't afford medical care"
your post had violated our policy on extremism. 30 suspension
Gets you banned for a month
vapid tiger
I think you can really start to see the impact of that around 5th edition and it has only gotten worse
storm jungle
Yeah extremely so
plucky moth
subversive and embeddable 😳
odd sparrow
incan i will embed u into the dirt
vapid tiger
Every other warhammer community article is like "SPACE MARINES ARE HEROES"
storm jungle
God
or that last week article
THE MOST IMPORTANT BATTLES OF 40K
all of them are just ultramarine shit
vapid tiger
And it all circles back to marine marketing really because it doesn't extend to the guard nearly as much, not to mention the mechanicus
odd sparrow
Also the whole "Stop canceling our shitheads who go to these colleges and spout ...
hurr durr free speech
cloud kindle
look
cloud kindle
when xenos get hands like calgar
storm jungle
No
cloud kindle
then they can get more articles
odd sparrow
to be fair we know like nothing about the war in heaven