40k-lore-chat

[atomic pelican]

If that makes sense

[cerulean wagon]

like the random ork sneaking up on the deathwatch wolf priest

[median sundial]

I mean I kinda read it as the guy sorta paraphrasing it so maybe that explains the fanfic part.

[cerulean wagon]

hes paraphrasing yes, but a lot of these contents just shouldnt exist

other than the author going "look my book is quirky and different,"

[median sundial]

Eh it's Orks so I let it slide off of the humorous aura they have.

[cerulean wagon]

aaaand thats exactly the issue

[median sundial]

Also I like that after the main Ork guy liked his robotic heart better than his actual one.

[cerulean wagon]

a faction made to be a joke faction does not make them interesting to deal with. it feels like dealing with borderlands humour in 40k

its jarring

[tender igloo]

i stand by the opinion that it serves as a great foil to the overly serious nature that 40k sometimes has

[median sundial]

Didn't you just say that you wanted Ork stories to lean more into the humor?

[atomic pelican]

He was commenting on the story itself, not what he wanted

[median sundial]

I guess yeah.

[atomic pelican]

I do think that the Orkz of 40k could use a faction like the Kruleboyz or some equalvalent

[median sundial]

Then again I am very biased towards Orks so bleg bleh bleh

[atomic pelican]

I don't really have a horse in the race of orkz, I don't very much care about them

But I think a more serious ork subfaction works very well in AoS, and could in 40k too

[cerulean wagon]

having humour in 40k is fine, it exists prettt much all over the place in any well written book

having a faction made to be a joke is... egh

like i said, it feels like dealing with borderlands humour

[median sundial]

I don't think we'll be getting a Kruleboyz situation with Orks in 40k, regular Orks are flexible enough to work as a serious faction.

[odd sparrow]

i do def like the more like, sorta cruel malicious vibes for orks

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

Kruleboyz are great for that

[median sundial]

I mean for God's sake in Space Marine I'm scared of facing down the Nob enemies.

[odd sparrow]

the whole thunderous war machines blackening the sky and crushing the previous civilisation of the world into the sediment vibes, as opposed to heehoo funny orks

[atomic pelican]

I also might just like LOTR orcs and Kruleboyz are clearly more inspo'd by them to some extent :p

[odd sparrow]

mood

[cerulean wagon]

This krieg trailer is the first time we have seen cruel malitious orks since the space marine game

its... beena hot minute

[odd sparrow]

mood it's honestly refrehsing

[cerulean wagon]

it is

[median sundial]

Isn't like the whole "ha ha funni greenman" thing only in memes?

[odd sparrow]

nah

[cerulean wagon]

unfortunatley not

[odd sparrow]

it's v present in GWs actual stuff too, though not quite to the same extent as some memes

[cerulean wagon]

orks are the only faction i can say 100% are summed up by their memes

the only bit thats exagerated is the memetic field stuff

the "if they believe a thing it happens"

[median sundial]

Yeah I've been told the color thing only works in big groups.

[cerulean wagon]

yup

and pointing and saying bang wont kill them

[median sundial]

Also it could be me not seeing enough official stuff but I don't really see that much funny stuff compared to them being cockney barbarians. It's like a 4:5 split

[tender igloo]

football hooligans is what they are

[odd sparrow]

Yeah predictably GW shys away from the ridiculous ~belief~ stuff cus it's a massive can of worms for writing orks

[tender igloo]

i am all on board for that idea

[odd sparrow]

who are very easy to write in the first place

[slow prawn]

I think the best mix of silly and serious for Greenskins are the Gloomspite Gitz. They aren’t quite as serious as their bigger cousins but are terrifying in their own right. An impending attack from them and Da Bad Moon makes physics go out the window, people get horrible nightmares then succumb to being a fungal zombie, then on one awful night the Gobbos burst out of the ground without warning, while Da Bad Moon hangs above the sky, ready to devour the world

[median sundial]

I just want like an anthology book where Greenskins get into a buncha shenanigans. Like grots piloting a ramshackle mech made out of Space Marine Armor so they can get out alive, or a Ork Boy putting on an Inquisitor's jacket as a joke and then accidentally being confused for an actual Inquisitor. I reckon there'll be enough serious Ork stories that they can be alright relatively so.

[median sundial]

I feel like it's probably best that I never become a Warhammer Writer.

[coarse mirage]

Gorkin' 'n' Morkin'

Yeah the grim dark is depressing, 40k needs some light

[cursive hull]

I just remembered a thing.

Didn't someone at one point unironically say the Uplifting Primer wasn't just Imperial Propaganda?

(I'm sure some of it is alright, but like... A lot of it has to be propaganda.)

Even though it contains stuff like this:

I feel like you can't just catch an Ork's wrist like that and overpower him, even with leverage.

Especially not as a normal IG, unless that Ork is just grown and barely a few minutes old.

[sullen aurora]

Clearly it's accounting for the IG having the fearlessness of a krieg

[errant mauve]

Every faction has their own unique methods of coping

[sullen aurora]

That would work on tau though

[cursive hull]

I'm not saying you couldn't bumrush an ork like this successfully.

But it does feel like trying to brute strength an Ork without astartes strength is a bad idea.

Like, if you're to best an Ork, I do think doing so using leverage and physics works best.

The wrist control method sounds actually kinda valid. Orks are less dexterous than Grots right? So it seems like trying to over twist their joints should work well.

[sullen aurora]

I think so I think as they get bigger they get less dexterous as the mass of muscle slows them

[cursive hull]

But yeah, the above method should absolutely work on T'au.

I feel like the T'au aren't as outmatched as the memes portray them as, with it being closer to a 60/30 in favor of the guard at the most, and 50/50 at best odds for the T"au, but from my memory, humans are at least marginally stronger than T'au.

And strength does play a massive role in deciding who wins a CQC encounter.

[gusty fulcrum]

maybe it was me pointing out the basic survival and first aid stuff being more or less real world accurate?

[cursive hull]

I mean, I'd never say its totally bullshit

The Primer does have a few tips and points that are genuinely useful.

But most of its information of fighting Xenos, and on Xenos in general has to be bogus.

[gusty fulcrum]

well its basicly a spoof on like the old primers the used to give soilders in like ww1 n 2 isnt it?

[cursive hull]

No clue.

But in fairness, its harder to fuck up human v human encounter advice.

[errant mauve]

I feel the Ork's Extensor being the size of a man's thigh throws a real wrench into this equation of wrist twisting

[cursive hull]

I don't quite mean grabbing them physically as much.

Like, some of the disarming sword strokes, for officers.

When it comes to the grunts, I feel like they have a better chance sticking it in the head with their bayonets.

Any actual hand to hand encounter with an Ork will go badly.

[errant mauve]

Yeah, seems rather unwise to engage with the combat knife unless you lost your lasgun

[cursive hull]

(Unless, again, you're an Astartes, so you can punch out just about anything.)

[gusty fulcrum]

welll ya they can literally tear your arm off n beat you to death with it

[errant mauve]

The efficient ork twists your head off like a bottle cap

Or those little machines that you put a coin in and it spits about a gumball

[cursive hull]

https://tenor.com/view/astartes-punch-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-lamenter-ork-spacemarine-gif-19069763

Meanwhile in Astartes town.

(Yes, I know it cuts before the Orks mob that marine and chop him to death.)

I still can't figure out where that animation comes from

Looks like its made by the same guy who did Astartes but I can't be sure.

[errant mauve]

It is

It was in a Patreon vid iirc

If it's showing the Lamenters on Slaughterhouse III, boy am I glad that they get metaphorically (and probably literally) dick punched by the Orks

[cursive hull]

I do appreciate the detail of the Astartes clenching his arm up so his joint isn't exposed, making sure the choppa will only hit armor.

Also... Why glad? I thought the Lamenters were almost universally felt bad for by... Well, a lot of people.

[errant mauve]

Aight

So this requires some context haha

I got into the hobby round 2010, when the Badab War Imperial Armour was coming out

Also where Lamenters really got into the spotlight

And tbch, even to this day I have no idea why people think they're unlucky.

Every bad incident that's occured to them is a consequence of their own action, just like on Slaughterhouse III.

[cursive hull]

shrug

Its to do with them being apart of the cursed founding.

[errant mauve]

Because

Honestly

I'd argue they've had many lucky runs

A chapter on a Penitent Crusade surviving a Hive Fleet certainly doesn't do it through just kill

They also got off relatively easy in Badab compared to the Mantis Warriors

[cursive hull]

Long and the short of it. I don't think the Lamenters are literally cursed.

Just that their founding makes they themselves and the Imperium view them as so, so they kinda end up in a self fulfilling prophecy.

So like, I kinda agree?

But I also think the worst things that have happened to them are still harsh, even by 40k standards.

[errant mauve]

They make their own prophecy imo. Lamenters have an immense martyr complex and often place themselves in deadly situations, which is then attributed to bad luck instead.

[cursive hull]

So basically Salamanders but less humble?

[errant mauve]

I'll give an example on Slaughterhouse III

The Lamenters were combatting Orks there, as Ultramarine and White Scars reinforcements were making their way over

Calgar told the Lamenters to stand down and wait for the reinforcements to arrive, since even though there were 6 companies of Lamenters there, the Ork horde was too large.

While they would lose civilian life, it was better to temporarily take losses to conserve strength in order to wipe out the Orks once they arrived

The Lamenters, being the good boys they are, just can't see Imperial lives being taken, and launch an all out Alpha Strike on the Orks.

While it initially was a success, with civilians being rescued, they take losses worth 4 companies of marines, as another wave of Orks was encroaching.

[glad prism]

As a propaganda move for the Imperium, sure, but not the most sound approach

[errant mauve]

The Lamenters proceed to execute the civilians and lose another company to the Orks

[glad prism]

Ye

[cursive hull]

Wait

Charge Orks to save civilians

Execute civilians when things go wrong.

I seem to remember something like that.

Like...

[errant mauve]

To avoid Ork capture

[cursive hull]

Yea.

Calling for a... I think Whirlwind battery or Thunderhawk to bomb their position?

[errant mauve]

TL:DR I think Lamenters are good boys but they really need to get their head in the game and think big picture

[cursive hull]

So, again, Salamanders, but less humble about it?

[errant mauve]

I believe you're thinking of Marined Malevolent bombarding Civilian positions to maximize Ork casualties during Third War for Armageddon

[cursive hull]

Nah, I remember something from the TTS video in particular

[errant mauve]

I wouldn't call them less humble... just more naive and maybe a bit dumber?

[cursive hull]

Oh, no

This was something else

It was on Slaughterhouse though.

The company was succumbing to the Black Rage and asked to be killed as the Orks closed in?

[errant mauve]

Could it have been in that Lamenters novella?

[cursive hull]

Shrug

[errant mauve]

Ah well

But that's my thoughts on the Lamenters

[cursive hull]

Shrug Fair enough

They're not as egregiously bad as the Marines Malevolent, that's at least one bar they clear.

[errant mauve]

I'd like Lamenters a lot less if I thought they were unlucky tbh

I think them being rather moral marines with martyr complexes is quite cool.

[cursive hull]

yee

[errant mauve]

Then again, I'm a weirdo who has very strange tastes in chapters lol

[cursive hull]

Shrug I like Dark Angels cuz armor on robes was neat and they were the big thing when I got into the hobby/fandom, lol.

[sullen aurora]

The lamenters are sorta a hard one

[errant mauve]

Ofc that's just how I interpret the Imperial Armours the Lamenters are in.

[cursive hull]

Er, robes on armor feels like a better way to put it.

[errant mauve]

I've yet to read Hammer and Bolter's DW Lamenters short story

Robed armour is an aesthetic I can get behind.

I was a really big fan of Dark Angels when I got into Warhammer, since they got those snazzy new models in Dark Vengeance alongside the Crimson Slaughter.

[sullen aurora]

Aren't they on a peanace as well?

[errant mauve]

Do you mean penitent crusade?

[glad prism]

I think that penance is over and done with by now

Unless they put themselves through another one

[cursive hull]

First box of models I ever got was that Dark Vengeance box, I think.

[errant mauve]

It was a great box

[cursive hull]

It was!

[glad prism]

Crimson Slaughter 💖

[cursive hull]

I split the box with a friend.

He got the Chaos models, I got the Dark Angels.

[errant mauve]

Loved both sides, felt they were done justice to. Even the Helbrute's gross little toes

[cursive hull]

Delet dis

[glad prism]

[errant mauve]

I split mine the opposite haha, I got some reinforcements for my Iron Warriors and my mate got new Deathwing for his Guardians of the Covenant

[sullen aurora]

and you nailed it couldn't remember the term lol.

Honestly my favourite marines are the black templars lol

[errant mauve]

Dread it, run from it, you cannot escape the toes

[cursive hull]

Black Templars, when not being memed into the ground or framed by chuds improperly?

They're alright. Not my taste but I can see why people like them.

[errant mauve]

My favourite Marines are for sure the Executioners.

[cursive hull]

https://youtu.be/arTZugNbAFA

[errant mauve]

[glad prism]

Elite taste

[errant mauve]

Fafnir Rann was what Space Puppies wished they were

[glad prism]

The Laughing Axemen are the best of their kin

[cursive hull]

Anyway, time for me to sleep

Night all

[glad prism]

Good night

[errant mauve]

Have a good one

[errant mauve]

• Actual viking name
• Cool looking beard
• Uses an Axe and a Shield or double Axe like a true raider
• Specializes in ship boarding CQB
• Went on the found the Executioners
• Laughs as he kills

The true Space Viking

"Face your Executioner!"

[glad prism]

Actual norsemen, not larpers

A few pelts here and there, sure, but blegh, Space Wolves

[cursive hull]

Okay, one last thing before I go

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd7IyEVU8AIBe4y.jpg Executioners do totally have a great color scheme. It reminds me of a reversed Minotaur's (Which is also good) color scheme.

[errant mauve]

Executioners are great because they have effectively 3 separate schemes

Blue steel, Tinted steel, and gun metal

So you can really pick what you like

I really like how a lot of the Badab Chapters introduced varying and inconsistent chapter colour schemes

[glad prism]

There isn't a colour scheme of their's that looks bad

Blegh, having a stroke today

[cursive hull]

One last last thing before I go. That mark V(?) pattern with the bronze face plate looks great. Fuck I wish Mark V armor was more common in kits and in art.

[errant mauve]

Same 😔

[glad prism]

A true shame

[errant mauve]

Tortuga makes some great Mk 5 minis though

Really love em, even the crotch studs

[sullen aurora]

What's everyone favourite IG regiment?

[final spruce]

Lambdan Lions

[glad prism]

The Maccabians or the Desert Raiders

[balmy tusk]

I'm partial to the Armageddon Steel Legion myself

[prisma lark]

not a regiment, but I love the Scions current design

[smoky breach]

Mordian Iron Guard, because they look like Char Aznable.

👉 👈

[prisma lark]

wonder how well they'll work in the new KT

[balmy tusk]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/1/15/ArcadianArt.jpg

I have a soft spot in my heart for retro 40k designs

[peak hamlet]

Same

[dim totem]

Same

I intend to build some cadians with like a new helmet and lots of stickers like that

Dunno yet

I'm partial tp those white dome helmets the rebels had in star wars

[peak hamlet]

👀

[dim totem]

They look kinda practical too

Modern helmet but more sleek and it guards the neck more

[peak hamlet]

Yeah

[dim totem]

https://tenor.com/view/rebel-rebels-rebel-trooper-darth-vader-star-wars-gif-19652350

[sullen aurora]

For me it's the elysian drop boys or Kreig it's a hard one for me

[dim totem]

I love elysians, they also got cool helmets

[gusty fulcrum]

Imperial gaurd from the planet Neeboh

[dim totem]

planet what

[gusty fulcrum]

Non copyright naboo duh0

why preferr Hooth

Aldertan?

Moes Eyelee?

[dim totem]

ahhh ok, i wasnt following lol

[elfin isle]

Daim, I think Dan Abnett's "The Armor of Contempt" one if not the best book at that point in G'sG

I'm wondering how a tabletop game can reproduce the scale of battles of this universe.

[elfin isle]

It's really cartoony, isn't it ?

[dim totem]

well

thats 40k for you

[coarse mirage]

imperial football

[elfin isle]

I thought the exact same thing, between the helmet, the shoulder guards and the number...

[coarse mirage]

Helmet on the frontmost guy is such a giveaway :p

[smoky mauve]

Every time I see this guy I think it's that one dad from modern family

[burnt oasis]

https://youtu.be/y3_DKqlJDE4

[gusty fulcrum]

I mean to be fair alotta armor both post apocalyptic and future fiction tended to look oddly like football gear and in the case of post apocalypse it was straight up salvaged football gear

I think its partly cuz football padding style armor was a popular look for soem reason

[barren tapir]

It would be really interesting if big G go to armageddon to help the IG there and once upon it it go "wait a sec... This place is familiar... FFS this is ullanor!!"

[gusty fulcrum]

What would make it click for him?

[barren tapir]

Eeeerrr, i didn't thought about that

I was gonna say the place where the triumph was made, but then i remembered that the beasts ruled the planet so it maybe got destroyed and there is nothing that could be like how big G remember

[errant mauve]

Got the limited edition Storm of Iron books

[glad prism]

Jealous.

[errant mauve]

I hate that they released 2 limited things on the same day but at least I managed to succeed

[glad prism]

There is no success without a bit of succ

[gusty fulcrum]

heh

[errant mauve]

ha

Really looking forward to reading Warbreed and Halfbreed

And Tortuga just released some awesome mk IV IW stuff, so its prime time to convert Honsou

[tender igloo]

good old scalper edition items

[tropic tinsel]

i dont know much about lore but are the character we play in Darktide convicts?

[odd sparrow]

yee, i believe it is more or less confirmed. general consensus is that we're a bunch of convicts who have been enlisted by the ~ominous unseen inquisitor basically the new lohner~ to perform a dangerous mission on the fucked by zombies planet

so vaguely similar vibe to vermintide except we're all siennas and saltzpyre is now an unplayable mega-saltzpyre npc commanding us from behind the scenes

[cursive hull]

Yeah

We're basically a penal battalion. We're going to be slowly working our way into inquisitorial favor

Which, you know.

You want to gain as quickly as humanly possible.

[final spruce]

Yup, the inquisitor emptied the prisons, made a warband out of the prisonners and forced them to go out and solve the uprising and chaos issue

[tropic tinsel]

Ahhh I see ty

https://tenor.com/view/bow-bowing-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-gif-5632990

[jagged ember]

Which IG regiments can use combined arms regiments ?

[cerulean wagon]

any

[jagged ember]

I don't think so

[cerulean wagon]

[jagged ember]

they don't put artillery and infantry in same regiment

[cerulean wagon]

they... do?

[jagged ember]

they use full artillery or full infantry regiments

I'm not sure but I could be wrong

[cerulean wagon]

All regiments have a support detatchment of some description

ranging from AA, tanks, artillery, recon or abhuman support

[jagged ember]

they are support detatchment

they are not part of the regiment

[cerulean wagon]

they are part of the regiment structure

usually 5th/6th company

[jagged ember]

infantry is pure infantry

[cerulean wagon]

Ye those are super basic regiment layouts, as in layout of a known, named regiment

that isnt how it always is

thats just how it is in that case

[jagged ember]

but I read something about they don't use combined arms in 1 regiment because if regiment rebels

or turns chaos

[cerulean wagon]

If your going to ask for info, then argue against the info, why the fuck even ask

thats only combined between air and army

[jagged ember]

I'm just asking

[cerulean wagon]

navy and army are seperate as of the HH

[jagged ember]

I know that

[cerulean wagon]

Your asking and then going "no it doesnt"

[jagged ember]

I meant arty infantry aa tanks etc.

[cerulean wagon]

which if you already have an answer you want

[jagged ember]

well ok I knew it wasn't like that

just making sure that the things I know correct or not

[cerulean wagon]

i mean to answer that last msg, literaly the tank regiment u just posted

which is recon, AA and tanks

[jagged ember]

why don't they use infantry and artillery in one defined regiment and not two separate regiments ?

[storm jungle]

They do use them in the same regiment tho dont they?

[cerulean wagon]

because they do sometimes

just because some are defined as singularly one way does not mean they all are

[jagged ember]

In siege regiments they use

but they are mostly krieg regiments

[storm jungle]

Again it depends

This is the lore-accurate structure of a regiment

Anything in here is give-n-go as long as they got the resources

And any of those lines/groups can be added and removed depending on that, some regiments could just not have enough materials to supply vehicles and just use pure infantry and vice verse

Its suppose to be "your dudes" so it can be virtually anything

[cerulean wagon]

thats not just "mostly krieg" for siege

all planets put forward siege regiments

noteably valhalla and mordia i believe

[jagged ember]

I only herd siege regiments on vraks

[summer niche]

is the whole themed regiments just to show that some planets are better at somet things than others

[jagged ember]

and they were krieg

[summer niche]

every regiment should have access to all IG shit

some are just better at sieges than others and viceversa

[storm jungle]

Yeah and they do

yup, just like you said

Krieg just get the "we're the siege regiment" thing since its their gimmick

some regiments are just better at certain warfare types than others, that doesnt mean other regiments cant adopt the same tactics

[summer niche]

obviously if you can you'd use the proficient regiment for airdrops if you had them

but im' sure kriegers can airdrop too

if they really needed to ofc

[jagged ember]

airdrop with shovels

[storm jungle]

?

[summer niche]

surfing

on shovels

[storm jungle]

ye

[summer niche]

through the air

[storm jungle]

death

But yeah @jagged ember thats pretty much it

[jagged ember]

Good to know

I though they were putting only infantry on infantry regiments

and I was asking why for 5 years xD

apparently they don't

[cerulean wagon]

it basically in most insances works like a ww2 or modern structure

depending on world of origin

[jagged ember]

Its 40k

Imagine using ww2 structures

[storm jungle]

Mhm.

[summer niche]

some worlds are still feudal in 40k

[summer niche]

lol

[storm jungle]

and yeah lol

[summer niche]

they literally go into battle on the backs of beasts

against chaos daemons

[jagged ember]

Based

Could be worse

[summer niche]

wasn't lion el johnsons planet just technoknights?

[storm jungle]

Yeah it was techno-feudal

had giant fairy tale-esque creatures and such

[summer niche]

those books were pretty good

introducing kaliban n stuff

[storm jungle]

Yeee caliban is legit pretty cool

shame its just rock and chunks now

[summer niche]

rip the lion

he must be so pissed lol

[storm jungle]

hes trapped in a Snow White coffin too lol

so thats accurate

[summer niche]

hahahah

now we just need some eldar princess to give him a smooch

[storm jungle]

one day maybe

[summer niche]

[storm jungle]

[jagged ember]

I'm still waiting for leman russ

sad wolf noises

[summer niche]

what is leman even up to these days?

[jagged ember]

Idk killing deamons as wulfen in warp

proparly

could teamed up with corvus

[storm jungle]

Pretty much nothing. He's disappeared into the warp with a few of the other loyalist primarchs since they had to be pushed into the plot limbo

[jagged ember]

[summer niche]

lmao

[storm jungle]

he hasnt been mentioned forever so lol

[summer niche]

it's funny how the primarchs are just too strong

so they have to keep doing shit like this

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

[summer niche]

if they arne't in stasis and half dead

they're stuck in teh warp

or stuck in terra building bunkers

[storm jungle]

meanwhile the traitors are just stuck not doing anything except maybe appearing once or twice before getting krumped by some posteboy marine chapter

except Lorgar who iirc sat in a room for 1000 years

[summer niche]

yeah lol

it's wierd how the chaos primarchs don't do shit

[jagged ember]

Jaghatai khan still in webway

[summer niche]

they're just milling around their daemonworlds

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically deyj

[jagged ember]

who knows how many dark eldar he killed xD

[storm jungle]

Mortarion is like uh

the only active one

but he got his ass kicked a month ago in a book so rip on that

[summer niche]

lel

by who?

[jagged ember]

Magnus was active

invading fenris

[storm jungle]

Guilliman in Godblight

he basically got powered by Big E

[summer niche]

oh that's pretty neat i guess

[storm jungle]

lmao

[summer niche]

wait, so big e is still alive ?

[storm jungle]

yeah it was a pretty classic "imperials won" moment

Kinda?

[summer niche]

interesting

[storm jungle]

He basically saved guilliman from being krumped

[jagged ember]

define alive

[summer niche]

he hasn't really been doing anything in forever

[jagged ember]

[storm jungle]

and powered him up after morty stabbed him

[summer niche]

just him powering up gulliman

[storm jungle]

Yeaaah, it was just a deus ex machina in the book since G had to defeat Morty somehow

expectedly people got annoyed by it

[jagged ember]

[summer niche]

i get that, but E doing something means that he defi is still alive

and of sound mind

sorta

[storm jungle]

Oh nah he is

[jagged ember]

He is alive

[summer niche]

previous wasn't there talk that he might juust be dead or something?

[storm jungle]

Oh yeha

[summer niche]

since no one has managed to communicate with him

[storm jungle]

but thats like really old lore

[summer niche]

in FORVER

[storm jungle]

when we had no idea what the emperor even was like

[jagged ember]

didn't guilliman talked to him

[cerulean wagon]

biggy G had spoke with him

[jagged ember]

?

[cerulean wagon]

prior to the new books

[summer niche]

ohh i have missed that

innneressen

[storm jungle]

Yeah the emperor being "dead" was more or so just speculation, hes alive, its just that hes literally looking like a corpse from the astronomicon succ'ing all that power out of him

[jagged ember]

does custodes talk with big e ?

[cerulean wagon]

think stringstorm did a song on it actually

[storm jungle]

the best source

[cerulean wagon]

a very comfy source

https://youtu.be/xm21cA81d-o

[storm jungle]

[cerulean wagon]

its a great song

[storm jungle]

I'd expect nothing less from them

[jagged ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx61xeDV_60

[storm jungle]

Kinda. They sometimes get psychic visions from him telling them to do stuff but its not much.

[jagged ember]

О горячий суп наварили
О Великий суп наварили
О шикарный суп заварили
О Великий суп заварили
О шикарный суп заврили
О Великий суп заварили

[jagged ember]

help I'm can't unlisten it xD

[storm jungle]

[jagged ember]

Idk in which language is the chant

but it sounds russian

its about soup

:l

[storm jungle]

Cool

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-movealong-stormtrooper-gif-5509326

[cerulean wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/753117788972908648/863562424087216158/Amelia_Tells_You_To_Keep_It_To_Yourself.mp4

(been lookin for an excuse to use it)

[storm jungle]

Its a good moment as any

[jagged ember]

[summer niche]

That rap sounds alot like rap battles of history

[jagged ember]

any news on space wolves ?

after the saga of the beast ?

[final spruce]

Why do you think they brought back Gulliman then ? Dude almost lost a 1v1 vs pre daemon Lorgar

[jagged ember]

well wait until deamon corvus and wulfen leman comes back xD

[storm jungle]

They got a new book coming out called Wolftime

[cerulean wagon]

i still cant get over that name

why are space wolves so shit

[storm jungle]

because they just are

Wulfen dreadnought goes brrrr

[jagged ember]

Its not out yet ?

[storm jungle]

"Coming out"

So yeah not out yet

[jagged ember]

Sad wolf noises

[storm jungle]

Also human-people-thingies

[cerulean wagon]

so

its SW against ghaz again

guess yarrick is dead

[storm jungle]

GW forcefully put him into a retirement home

https://tenor.com/view/retirement-nursing-home-gif-10200166

[final spruce]

Yeah this is what I was gonna say

Guard isn't even allowed to have a cool rival

[storm jungle]

: Here at GW we take great care of the Astra™️Copyrightum™️

[summer niche]

[storm jungle]

Still waiting on people to get triggered over the humans on the cover tho ngl

Wonder if it has happened yet

[cerulean wagon]

are they also supposed to be SW?

like thats my only complaint is who tf are these guys and why arent they in armour

[storm jungle]

Just regular fenrisians im sure

But like, unless the book is taking place on Fenris then its weird

otherwise my other guess is them being fenris' PDF, but they got no tactical gear so

[summer niche]

fenrisians should all look like eskimoes reeeeeeee

[storm jungle]

[final spruce]

Don't forget SW use outdated equipment even for their space marines, imagine how the humans are equipped

[median sundial]

The way it's cropped makes it look like it's written by 'Gay Thrope'. I am very immature.

[storm jungle]

Trust me slander its a joke everyone has made

[median sundial]

Nice to know

[storm jungle]

pats

[prisma lark]

I haven't... yet

[summer niche]

eldar ptsd intensives at the mention of Gav

[barren tapir]

Gav thorpe? I guess some eldar will die in it then... Like, just a page where he go "but in the far sector of mhm an eldar farseer got a vision, but it was so strong and full of terror for the farseer that he/she got a stroke and died, because you all know, the eldar are a dying race"

[jagged ember]

What are they ?

Space wolves initiate ?

Local fenrisian ?

[jagged ember]

I mean if it works it works

Don't question SW xD

[final spruce]

It works only due to plot armor

[jagged ember]

Ye so xD

[storm jungle]

Probably locals

[storm jungle]

Plot armor is stupid and boring

If you want a book with no stakes and the Imperials just winning constantly that says a lot

[final spruce]

But Dilara

The majority of people just want to see the Imperium win

[rotund siren]

;-;

[final spruce]

[storm jungle]

oof

cant stop the mindless imperial crayon eaters sadly

[summer niche]

GW is kinda pushing it tough

though*

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[summer niche]

like if they didn't have to, you wouldn't have any other faction than space marines

[storm jungle]

I mean

i wish

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/f/f5/Guilliman_Saviour.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20170316203623

but also G.I Joe Marines so

[cerulean wagon]

this is why i ignore all SM books

return to IG

[storm jungle]

It says a lot when even custodians were like "hey let us just command armies for the Great Crusade Big E, we dont need marines."

happy times

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/bc/fb/5e/bcfb5e045b0c1b93e43dad2bddebf11e.jpg

A happy couple

[jagged ember]

I mean

I'd like to see khrone win

But we need eternal war

[storm jungle]

I mean, Khorne sucks

so

[jagged ember]

:O

[crisp heath]

True

Praise Slaanesh

[glad prism]

Praise Slaanesh?

[jagged ember]

Slanesh ?

[glad prism]

Praise Slaanesh

[storm jungle]

It's a chaos god, pretty chill dude

[crisp heath]

[jagged ember]

Slanesh

iyy

no thanks

[storm jungle]

Cringe for the Cringe Throne

[jagged ember]

I don't like tenticles

thank you

[crisp heath]

That seems pretty excessive

[jagged ember]

or getting aids

or using voodo magic

[storm jungle]

or getting your face smashed in for looking at someone

[crisp heath]

I think you are confusing Nurgle and Slaanesh

[jagged ember]

Both

[glad prism]

It's not like Slaanesh minds tentacles

[summer niche]

khorne is pretty aight

i like the purity of him

[jagged ember]

lets go

[summer niche]

same reason i like orks

[jagged ember]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[summer niche]

i just want to live a simple life

[storm jungle]

Gork and Mork > Khorne

[jagged ember]

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

[summer niche]

[jagged ember]

Maybe maybe

but not cool as Khorne

[cerulean wagon]

khorne isnt simple

[storm jungle]

Definitely

[glad prism]

Elevated tastes tbh

[storm jungle]

Cooler than khorne

[crisp heath]

Dilara got the best takes today so far

[storm jungle]

[jagged ember]

Some ORK propoganda

[cerulean wagon]

i mean it is if you ignore the whole blood sacrifice, and chaos and slow corruption stuff

[glad prism]

You are not immune to propaganda.

[jagged ember]

[cerulean wagon]

So other than being khorne and being a chaos god, i guess you can consider it simple

its just a shame that khorne is just

[crisp heath]

Khorne hates magic but supports blood magic?!

He is a hypocrite

[jagged ember]

[storm jungle]

Like i said khorne is pretty cringe

[glad prism]

As any self respecting god should be

[storm jungle]

u_u

[jagged ember]

Slaanesh Tzeench and nurgle even more cringe

[glad prism]

Godhood is cringe

[jagged ember]

Emperor moment

[storm jungle]

looks at Death Guard sales

😆

[summer niche]

optimal godhood is dr manhattan in watchmen

[glad prism]

None more cringe than emps

[summer niche]

comfy detatchement

[storm jungle]

Emp is the meganob levels of cringe

[jagged ember]

I mean you can be right even you are in minority

[storm jungle]

smh

cant even raise his kids

[storm jungle]

Tell me that when the World Eaters finally get a roster

otherwise get dabbed

[summer niche]

i quite enjoyed reading about kharn

[frosty cobalt]

Gork and mork are the best cause they provide way more benefits than drawbacks that the other “gods” do

[glad prism]

Mood tbh

[storm jungle]

Kharn is the only thing keeping world eaters revelant

[frosty cobalt]

Where sarrin😭😫

[storm jungle]

I must now resist posting kharne in a bunny suit

[jagged ember]

I had enough Dilara's daily anti Imperium and Anti Khorne propoganda

[storm jungle]

Ye boi

[jagged ember]

Should add dilara here

Gn xD

[frosty cobalt]

Haha so edgy

[crisp heath]

Sleep with your bad takes

[summer niche]

[storm jungle]

oof

NOOOO

[frosty cobalt]

Yes

[jagged ember]

I'm gonna sleep with my khorne forged axe

[storm jungle]

Chick the Betrayer?

[jagged ember]

still list not gonna expand itself

[frosty cobalt]

It was posted with no context and i will be giving no context

You cant escape the truth!

[jagged ember]

[frosty cobalt]

Thought you were goin to bed skull boy

[storm jungle]

oh my god

discord doesnt allow me to post bunnysuit kharne

[frosty cobalt]

F

[glad prism]

Never forget Lotara

[cerulean wagon]

i cant believe konstantin is here to support the silent majority

[frosty cobalt]

Sarrin and her two boytoys

[storm jungle]

hes very representitive of the setting

[jagged ember]

I'm too sleepy here

[storm jungle]

Stop putting 10 sugar cubes into your tea

maybe you'll get some sleep then lol

[jagged ember]

I'm just awake for 24 hours

[storm jungle]

Still?

[jagged ember]

I'm good

[storm jungle]

See you in the future with all the health-problems you're gonna have from that

[jagged ember]

I'm in bed but this conversation is good xD

[jagged ember]

[summer niche]

isn't your sleep schedule pretty scuffed as well dilara?

[storm jungle]

Honestly no, i sleep at like 3

[frosty cobalt]

I still think its funny khorne is getting btfo-ed in the warp by gork and mork

[storm jungle]

lol

[jagged ember]

just 3 ?

Imagine not sleeping at 11 am at morning

[storm jungle]

Why do you even stay up lol

[jagged ember]

no school ?

[summer niche]

yall need to get your lives in order and go to bed at 22 like god intended

[jagged ember]

its summer

[frosty cobalt]

Whoa didnt know there was a big boy bedtime competition here

[glad prism]

I simply sleep when convenient

[storm jungle]

Then dont complain when you cant get enough sleep smartass

[jagged ember]

I didn't complain

[storm jungle]

its like asking why you're bleeding when you get shot

[jagged ember]

I just said I'm sleepy

[storm jungle]

also you did lol

Amen dude ill drink to that

[jagged ember]

I'm sleepy is not a complain just stating my current situation

[storm jungle]

It kinda is when you say it constantly

and spam the same emote 412 times

but hey

[jagged ember]

I like this emote

[storm jungle]

Yeah i noticed

[jagged ember]

:(

[storm jungle]

: )

[jagged ember]

[frosty cobalt]

Lol

[storm jungle]

Mmm, sweet depression

[glad prism]

Pain fam, wya?

[jagged ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRtGJfKKEtc

bed time music

[glad prism]

Here, try some sleepies

https://youtu.be/_bYldqEjOUA

Emphasis on RELAXING MUSIC

[jagged ember]

You say this music is not RELAXING ?

kinda sus

[glad prism]

Nah, far from it

But

It do more hype

Than it do relax

[storm jungle]

I mean it is pretty shit music

I'll take Kontos' stack anyday of the week

[frosty cobalt]

Hey you IW stan aside from the silver skull starters, how many other IW went loyalist? (Figuring stuff out)

[jagged ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbAyWA998Qc

once I fall asleep while listening to this xD

[odd sparrow]

dude in the thumbnail is kinda hot tho

[frosty cobalt]

Meh if you wanna fall asleep to some metal do the literal band called SLEEP

[jagged ember]

[glad prism]

Lemme get on my laptop

I have to dig around for the odd name to remember and thonk

[frosty cobalt]

Oh if its a bunch of research plz dont bother

[glad prism]

It's not

I just want to be at my laptop

And I forget the name of one

[frosty cobalt]

I was just thinkin bout all those lads that got garrison duty. Did perty go around like an overworked single father picking up kids from all different schools?

[glad prism]

Some were just forgotten about iirc, but I am also chomping at the bit for the books too, but I remember there being several that were addressed and others that go largely forgotten

[atomic pelican]

We IW posting?

[frosty cobalt]

God id hate to be the friendly IW whos on some backasswater planet and then the IF lands and just starts blowin shit up

But yea id imagine some were arrested or pressganged into the ultras

[storm jungle]

Speaking of

is it ever explained how IW recruitment goes?

I need it for research

[glad prism]

What she gonna draw? 👀

[odd sparrow]

four iron blocks

one jack o lantern

[atomic pelican]

One pumpkin

YEAH

[storm jungle]

bastards

[frosty cobalt]

The decimation was just perty getting his iron farm going so he could make more

[odd sparrow]

tbh if IW were iron golems i'd be a lot more terrified of them

iron golems dont fuck around i accidentally threw an egg at one a while ago and got immediately eviscerated through my armour

[storm jungle]

literally 40k

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fQiB-drOIyA/maxresdefault.jpg

• Destruction of Olympia M30

[odd sparrow]

who tf killed a golem with a wooden sword

i'm impressed

[atomic pelican]

The baby zombie

[odd sparrow]

quite probably

fuck baby zombies

[final spruce]

Please don't that several crimes

[storm jungle]

kill them

[final spruce]

Murder them again yes

[jagged ember]

Kill them in the name of khorne

Blood for the blood god

[storm jungle]

Another one for the Cringe Throne

[jagged ember]

Better than other chaos gods

:(

[gaunt vector]

I agree

[errant mauve]

Iron Warrior posting hours

[gaunt vector]

4 words because they never get far enough to say 5

[errant mauve]

t. Jealous of our cool Warcry

[gaunt vector]

no.

I agree that the IF one is a bit bizzare

but

I still prefer Blood Angels

the only reason I went for that is because I saw the chance

I cba with the 7vs4 rivalry

[errant mauve]

"By the Blood of Sanguinius!" is pretty good

[gaunt vector]

the 9 vs 16 rivalry is already cool enough for me

[gaunt vector]

yeah

[errant mauve]

but its no "Iron Within, Iron Without!"

[slow prawn]

“Repent for tomorrow you die!” Is solid

[errant mauve]

Pretty much all the legions have cool warcries except like UM and IF

[gaunt vector]

"For the Emperor and Sanguinius! Death! DEATH!" is in my opinion cooler than the Iron Warrior's one

[gaunt vector]

yeah thats not bad, except for the bit where it makes it seem like the enemy gets a day's warning

did they have a different one in the GC?

[errant mauve]

Generic "For the Lion!"

[gaunt vector]

not bad

not spectacular but not bad

[errant mauve]

Also
Terran IH warcry: Based as hell
Medusan IH warcry: Its ok I guess

[atomic pelican]

Based and ironpilled

[errant mauve]

"Remember Rust!"

• Cool callback to their greatest victory
• Boosts morale
• Is said Chadmadeus Ducaine
• Snappy

"The Flesh is Weak!"

• Its uh.. what they think alright.

[gaunt vector]

I think that the 1st, 4th and 9th legions battlecries are fitting. "For the Lion" - gets the point across, whoever is hearing this does not need to know anymore than this, all else is kept a secret. "Iron Within, Iron Without" - can be used in conversation and in war, constantly reaffirms the mantra. "For the Emperor and Sanguinius! Death! DEATH!" can only be said in war, because of the seperation in mindset that BA have to make between wartime and peace, escalates fury as restraints are partially released at the start of battle, reaffirms loyalty to the emperor and acknowledges the uniquely potent influence and legacy of Sanguinius.

[errant mauve]

I prefer "Iron Within, Iron Without!" because I think it captures the spirit of the legion quite well. If you read into it you get some insight into IW's philosophies and mindset.

War cries like "For the Lion" or "For the Emperor and Sanguinius! Death! DEATH!" are cool too, but offer less of a lense into the legion itself imo.

[gaunt vector]

I think that they are cool at face value but also have deeper meanings that are even cooler when u figure them out, its a nice little reward for learning a bit more about their mindset, but the IW one IS their mindset which is also cool but in a different way

also what it the UM warcry again?

[errant mauve]

"Courage and Honour!"

[gaunt vector]

"Courage and Honour!" and "We March for Macragge!"

Courage and Honour is the definition of an "ok" warcry

[errant mauve]

Yeah.

I usually am not a fan of NL but they have some kickass war cries imo

[gaunt vector]

"We March for Macragge" - BEWARE FOES OF THE IMPERIUM FOR WE ARE GOING FOR A HIKE

[errant mauve]

"We have come for you!" is just the right amount of edgy for the edgy boys to be cool x)

[gaunt vector]

yeah, it makes the threat personal. if someone is assuring themselves "it won't be me. it will be the guy next to me that they get" to calm themselves down then that warcry makes it personal, it removes that doubt and hope, it singles the victim out and makes them feel isolated and therefore even more afraid

[errant mauve]

I always imagined the IW warcry as a call and response, hype-man style. "Iron Within!" "IRON WITHOUT!" 2-3x

And then 100 Iron Warriors dash straight into you, human wave style, under a hail of bombardments

[gaunt vector]

I have something similar for the BA. I have imagined the BA one as one guy starts "For the Emperor and Sanguinius!" then the entire army replies "Death! DEATH!" before igniting their jump packs and revving their chainswords

unless they are primaris

in which case assault intercessors don't get jump packs

and inceptors dont get melee weapons

||WHY||

[errant mauve]

Another good day to be a Heresy player 😎

Not that I play BA but you get the point x)

[gaunt vector]

I'm trying to build a primaris BA sucessor chapter AND I CAN'T GIVE ANYONE A JUMP PACK AND A SWORD

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

its such a small thing but it makes what feels like such a big difference

the entire thing that drew me to this faction was the image of them "descending on wings of fire" to stab mfs

I love the primaris minis

[odd sparrow]

isn't that the whole BA gimmick

[gaunt vector]

YES

[glad prism]

A lot of Primaris units are dumb looking and feel out of place in their roster to me.

[gaunt vector]

AND ITS THE ONE THING THAT I CAN'T DO

[odd sparrow]

i always thought it was like, the aggressive flying melee chapter

[gaunt vector]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[odd sparrow]

weird

[gaunt vector]

IT IS

they call Inceptors a close support unit

they have either heavy bolters or plasma weapons like hellblasters and NO MELEE

I remember when I first saw them that it would be really cool to have jump pack assault primaris with these jump pack fire support primaris zipping all over the place being cool

because I thought that inceptors were fire support

but they are supposed to be the primaris version of assault marines

SO WHERE IS THE CHAINSWORD GW?

What irritates me the most is that it is such a small change to make and I can't see why they didn't give assault marines jump packs especially when they knew it would hit the BA faction like this

and raven guard with their lightning claws

sorry for the rant

[glad prism]

They're just fast fire support

They're shittier looking moritats

[gaunt vector]

YES

I'm even putting the word "falcon" in the chapter's title (its homebrew) and I can't do air to air/ air to ground melee which is litterally how falcons hunt

[glad prism]

Make the rules, fren

[gaunt vector]

yeah, I can for private games if an opponent agrees to it I suppose

[glad prism]

I mean, I know it sucks, especially for doing them in a gw store

But at least between friends

If they don't, get better friends

[gaunt vector]

I still just don't understanf why gw would deny assault intercessors jump packs

[gaunt vector]

lmao, mine are gud

thankfully

[glad prism]

Excellent

I haven't ever had the chance to play, and now I can't even if I wanted to

Not until I get out of this awful country that is anyway

So eventually, if nothing else, I'll just model the entire homebrew chapted living in my head

And go massively into debt in the attempt

[gaunt vector]

lmao dude same

[glad prism]

Are your falcons red?

[gaunt vector]

oof, u doing ok? btw if u don't mind my asking which country is that?

[glad prism]

Iraq lmao

[gaunt vector]

I'm making them mostly dark green (my favourite colour) then red shoulder pads to honour the BA founding chapter, invert the colour scheme for 1st company (dark green shoulders, red everything else)

[glad prism]

Yooooo

[gaunt vector]

ah, I wish you and your family all the best

[glad prism]

We both have green Blood Angels successors

[gaunt vector]

nice!

what are yours like?

red?

[glad prism]

Dark green and copper, gold accents in the form of their emblems and floral markings as their accolades

[gaunt vector]

that sounds amazing. the flowers in particular sound like a challange to paint

[glad prism]

Oh they would kick my ass when I eventually get to try lmao

But I am practicing with keeping a steady hand through my sketching and doodles

And I still remember some stuff from when I used to collect and paint

[gaunt vector]

lmao I painted my first squad of assault intercessors from my starter set as blood angels and tried to freehand a green 4th company marking instead of the yellow 2nd company transfers that the box gave me. the results were... varied

[gaunt vector]

nice, I should probably try using drawing to keep a steady hand as well

[glad prism]

As long as you're having fun, there's not a wrong way to go about it

But I am focused on their lore more at the moment, and I've drawn a fair amount from all over the place to make something I find compelling

Bit of Executioners, smidge Iron Warriors and Blood Angels with Persian influence and themes

[gaunt vector]

nice

that sounds amazing

[cloud kindle]

As long as you're having fun, there's not a wrong way to go about it
@glad prism fun is illegal

[glad prism]

Which is why I will continue to do it. Solely out of spite 😎

[marsh grail]

So from what I can tell it seems pretty indecisive but what color do salamander tech marines paint their armor? Not even google images are consistent. Some all green some all red and a ton mix and match.

[glad prism]

Solely a case of artist's choice or the writer in question tbh

[final spruce]

Because the entirety of the 40k lore is indecisive Hazmat

Instead of creating a fixed lore and respecting it, GW just goes "Everything is cannon, not everything is true" and retcons the lore when it stops them from selling miniatures.

[dim totem]

I'd go for red

[peak hamlet]

Yeah there is some wiggle room but for every chapter (unless specified different) its whole armor red and a shoulder or knee pad in chapter colors, eavy metal or artwork sometimes depicts them in full chapter colors but thats wrong

Same for librarians, apothecarys and chaplains

[gaunt vector]

unless they just decide that the codex markings are overrated and go with something else

like a tradition inhereted from their legion or just whatever they want to do

[final spruce]

Also each company has different pauldrons and knee colors (also capes)

[final spruce]

So ive heard that in Godblight, Cawl managed to create a super terraforming technique that can revive planets eaten by Tyranids.

@atomic pelican get rekt your faction is now canonically a joke

[gaunt vector]

he found the reset button

[storm jungle]

Oh no zher it wasnt godblight

it was literally like 3 books ago

so that makes it even worse

[cerulean wagon]

Doesnt even surprise me

[gaunt vector]

Cawl: "undo"

[cerulean wagon]

cause they didnt loose uhhh

macragge

to the nids

so they needed a mcguffin to explain it

[final spruce]

Yeah its very mcguffiny

I hate it

[storm jungle]

According to Belisarius Cawl, the Tyranid consumption of a planet is only surface-deep. Water and microbes continue to live on deep below its surface. Thus with the right terraforming technology and time, it is possible for worlds consumed by the Tyranids to return to life.[13]

13: Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work (Novel),

[gaunt vector]

lmao

[cerulean wagon]

Like dont get me wrong

i can believe the tech to terraform and restore a world exists within 40k

HOWEVER

the ability to implement it on any scale

would not be consistent

so many things to go wrong, and it would take so much time

[storm jungle]

Yeaaaah, terraforming tech is literally stuff eldar and Dark Age humans had

AND

even when eldar terraform shit it takes decades

[final spruce]

Tbh it just makes Tyranids even less of a threat

[storm jungle]

and its for their next generation to enjoy it

[cerulean wagon]

Like

A mid terraformed world being under attack could be cool

i can see this working in lore

but you just know they are using it as an excuse

for macragge and baal

[dim totem]

Well doesn't the feasibility depend on how he achieves terraforming?

Maybe it's a simpler form

[glad prism]

It's more about how far removed from living conditions the planet in question is.

Air pressure is just not a problem as per most sci-fi settings

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less? other than chaos they are still the scariest force in the galaxy as far as the imperium/ eldar/ any other (by 40k standards) sane specise are concerned

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In my humble opinion, it would make sense that the Imperium gets better since Gullimans comeback since he purged a lot of the corruption within, knows what to do and wants Humanity to succeed, which is why he is breaking the current Imperium's ways like asking an innovator like Cawl to assist him. While its logical, it goes against what the Imperium is.

[gaunt vector]

He has to kick it out of stagnation

which he is

I'm hyped

[storm jungle]

I'm just taking the excerpt about terraforming from the book, will be in a moment @cerulean wagon

[gaunt vector]

to see the imperium actually trying to imperium properly

[dim totem]

(I do kinda like the stagnation angle but hey)

[cerulean wagon]

I like the fact there is a divide between stagnation and improvement

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Same i like the stagnation angle, this is where all the grimdark is

[gaunt vector]

same

[cerulean wagon]

However

My issue isnt the fact lore is changing

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Its how its handled

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my issue is the fact Cawl literaly just exists as a plot excuse for convenience

yeah zher

New space marines? cawl, new tech? cawl, New terraforming to fix nid issues? cawl

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It only trickles down so far, but the general trend upwards makes sense, but be it malice or just incompetence of those beneath Guilliman, especially under its own colossal weight, it won't amount for that much.

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If you look at it, Cawl alone is carrying the Imperium

[cerulean wagon]

pmuch yeah

[glad prism]

Ye

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Cawl is so smart, hes the smartest tech priest. He's even smarterer than the emperor

[dim totem]

This is my headcanon

[cerulean wagon]

Thanks authors, great writing

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Coming with thousands of improved space marines, turning long lost tech into a general weapon ,repairing previously lost planets, healing the body of a primarch

[glad prism]

I like to cite things like what happened at Adrianople in 378 to sort of be a model of how this stuff typically pans out, but on a scale impossible to understand

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However I do like the fact Gulliman aknowledges that he cant changr everything yet, while he wants to get rid of the Ministorum and the SoB he aknowledges their importance and contribution to the Imperium

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I think that is exactly what i love about it kontos, is you can believe humanity could get to this state after the events they have been through and at the scale they are operating at

Exagerated? yes, but not so far that i would say its impossible

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Okay

excerpt ready

‘Atmosphere is apportioned to a world during planetary formation,’ said Cominus.

Cawl made an equivocal noise. ‘To an extent. Atmosphere also comes from here.’ He stamped his foot on the ground. ‘It can be liberated from minerals as we are doing with the limestone bedrock of this area.’ He pointed at the machines belching out gas.

‘Alchemy gives an acceptable admixture of oxygen, although I lack sufficient nitrogen to make this air entirely healthy. Given a few hundred thousand years, Sotha’s vulcanism would cloak this world again with gases. Recall, if you will, the days of pre-terraformation Venus, whose own extreme volcanic activities gave it a crushing pressure and runaway heat inimical to all life.’

Again Daelus shrugged at Felix.

‘Speaking of life,’ Cawl went on, ‘this world looks dead, but it cannot be. Again, we must look beneath our feet. As I said, tyranids are surface feeders.

In the stone of any living world is microbial life aplenty – although all higher forms are gone, and many of the bacteria down there could not survive up here on the surface, the uniqueness of Sotha’s genome is not entirely lost. So you see, not hopeless at all, even if we left things as they are – which I do not intend to, for what use is a world of rock, potential atmosphere and germs to the mighty Adeptus Astartes? None!’ he said, adding a flourish of mechanical arms to his speech.

‘If we add additional water and gases taken from the rest of the Sothan system, and reintroduce flora and fauna cloned from vault samples held in the Library of Ptolemy on Macragge, then I should think we could have a hydrological cycle within fifty years, a rudimentary ecosystem within a century, while something approaching full life could be restored within the course of three hundred and fifty years, give or take a century. No time at all!’

‘But it’s impossible,’ said Cominus. ‘Imperial policy is to abandon worlds devoured by the tyranids.’

‘And when did Imperial policy amount to anything?’ Cawl said dismissively.

‘Do you not listen? This world occupies the position of the middle ursine. The world is bare, yes?’

‘I agree, archmagos, but with all due respect–’said Daelus. ‘But the position of this world has not changed,’ Cawl said, slapping the back of one metal hand into the palm of another.

‘The solar input remains the same. Solar input is the key factor in allowing life to arise, or successful
terraforming of a dead world. Everything else will follow. Don’t you worry, Commander Thracian, all will be well.’

‘If this was that simple then why has it not been done before?’ said Felix.

‘Felix, Felix!’ said Cawl. ‘Nobody said it was simple. It is possible. But just because things are hard does not mean that they should not be attempted. Ask your genefather. The primarch knows that if a man has a will to do something, then nothing shall stop him. I am Belisarius Cawl! If I say a thing can be done, then it can be done, though it take me ten thousand years – and with all due respect to you, oh Son of Orar, compared to continuing the Emperor’s work and unravelling the secrets of blackstone, returning a benignly positioned rock such as this back to life is child’s play.’

Cawl began to walk towards the edge of the atmospheric field to get a better view of the mountain. He moved surprisingly quickly.

‘Does that mean you could return other worlds to life?’ Felix said, as he jogged to catch up.

‘Hmm? Here? Yes, yes, if that’s what you want. I am a little pressed for time, however. Although the technology I will share, if your tech-priests can comprehend it.’ His dismissiveness changed to humour as he smiled at Felix.

‘You should be able to grasp the science yourself. I tried to make you all as intelligent as I could.’

‘What will you receive in exchange for this labour?’

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I mean impossible as in the numbers involved, not that it's impossible to envision it happening

[storm jungle]

That should be it

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Rather, difficult to fully appreciate that is

[cerulean wagon]

Yeah i didnt mean it like that, prob should have used a word in place of impossible for mine haha

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Heh, we're all on the same page, so it's all cool

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Damn I like Cawl, such a dick

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He’s got alot more personality than you’d think

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Especially in the last part

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‘What will you receive in exchange for this labour?’

‘I’m not doing it for reward, Decimus,’said Cawl. He halted right at the very edge of the field, close enough to extend various sensor limbs through the shimmering blue play of energy. A couple of his servo-skulls shot past him and out into the airless day. The ground shook as the Knight of Taranis continued its patrol. ‘I’m doing it because I can, and because it is the right thing to do. Whatever your feelings towards me, and I know that the primarch too is irritated with me, I am on your side. I want the Imperium to survive. I want it to flourish.’ Cawl fixed his eyes and numerous other sensing devices on the mountain. ‘It is for that reason I have come here. In the dark beneath Mount Pharos is, quite possibly, information that will allow me to save us all.’

He stared at the mountain, until his body became as still as the rock, and his mechadendrites moved on his back as the trees on Mount Pharos had once swayed in the wind.

‘We leave tomorrow. Prepare your men, Decimus.’ Cawl gave the tetrarch an earnest look. ‘This will be a difficult mission.’

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Oh i know that

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He’s written like a eccentric wizard character there

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He is more than just a dick

But he has his own personnality

And that i like

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Yeah it’s good

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He is so self centered and fpcused the grimdarkness is just a joke to him

• You commit heresy Cawl
  -Oh yes, you had something else to say ?

[cerulean wagon]

I like his personality but

just everything else

feels like Gavs self insert

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I still dont know why he isnt fabricator general yet

[broken kayak]

Heretics Assemble!!

[storm jungle]

aaaaa

look at the cute manta rays

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i love him

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Gorgeous mini

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They are called tutelaries

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Bebe Screamers

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"middle ursine" as the goldilocks zone is now my fav 40k term

thx for that exerpt rly nice

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thats a really cool model. the eye in the middle of his chest looks fed up af tho

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Cawl will soon start unexterminatusing planets

Also am I wrong, or didnt tyranids fluff used to say they literally ate down to bedrock?