Orbital city
#40k-lore-chat
frosty cobalt
perty made sure of that lol
atomic pelican
Numbers get really wild with 40k
I recall that tau orbitals usually have trillions living on them
glad prism
Asking about the Hrud or the Tau orb?
gaunt vector
Orbital city
ok the tau are just playing stellaris at this point
odd sparrow
ik they're meant to exist over t'au itself
gaunt vector
Asking about the Hrud or the Tau orb?
tau pokeball
odd sparrow
idk if they're stated to exist in other systems
vapid tiger
They just live under every substantial human settlement, in most human starships, under most ork settlements, probably a lot of places in tau space, etc
They're scavengers
odd sparrow
i hope so tho
vapid tiger
and need an army
odd sparrow
poor imperium just ognna have their battleships dwarfed by the Giant Tau Doomball
frosty cobalt
ok the tau are just playing stellaris at this point
thats the point. they are supposed to be the star trek utopia civ thrown into this hellfuckdeathfest that we all love
vapid tiger
they're more important than the tau on a galactic scale and have no minis
give me my weird space trashmen skaven
gaunt vector
poor imperium just ognna have their battleships dwarfed by the Giant Tau Doombal...
que the Phalanx
and The Rock
atomic pelican
the rock
odd sparrow
gay
atomic pelican
🏳️🌈
normal helm
ok the tau are just playing stellaris at this point
This explains so much. Tech rushers who play tall and barely expand. Every MP game in a shellnut
odd sparrow
tbh i cant blame GW for not wanting to explore hrud tt wise
frosty cobalt
yea temporal weapon rules
gaunt vector
thats the point. they are supposed to be the star trek utopia civ thrown into th...
yeah I guess
atomic pelican
Didn't the Hrud get owned by the tau in some major war or am I remembering that wrong
odd sparrow
like,, idk their current 'canon' depictions dont seem super great to work with models wise, esp if ur trying to turn that into a whole range
gaunt vector
This explains so much. Tech rushers who play tall and barely expand. Every MP ga...
lmao
odd sparrow
i'd lowkey just revert them back to skaven spvdgs
glad prism
It would be nice, but I don't blame the impulse not to either
But Hrud are great regardless
vapid tiger
i'd lowkey just revert them back to skaven spvdgs
I'd have them be both
crisp heath
I have more than just the gay heart too
odd sparrow
The new ones def have some cool dynamics
frosty cobalt
odd sparrow
mainly with the migration stuff
vapid tiger
Like
Have most hrud be the robed gasmask skaven with plasma muskets and then have some of them be bendy guys
odd sparrow
sir there's a hrud migration we dont try to fight that we MOVE
vapid tiger
Say that they're different strains
primal tide
Bug Slenderman
gaunt vector
ready to slap u into the warp
atomic pelican
me at 4am going down the stairs for some cheese nips
odd sparrow
same
vapid tiger
And then say that they worship a strange god with many horns
glad prism
Me and the frens up at 2AM
glad prism
Looking for beans
frosty cobalt
*and need an army*
make it urself 4head
glad prism
5AM the void
normal helm
By the way, any of you lot touched Wrath & Glory?
odd sparrow
i adore the random animal skull
atomic pelican
I want to play Wrath and Glory but haven't found either a game or the time
vapid tiger
By the way, any of you lot touched Wrath & Glory?
Ya I'm gonna set up a campaign for it soon
In fact
gaunt vector
5AM the void
hell yeah!
vapid tiger
Let me get my document.
frosty cobalt
i adore the random animal skull
there are so many in that household lol
vapid tiger
My cool homebrew document
odd sparrow
I'm jealous
glad prism
I want to play Wrath and Glory but haven't found either a game or the time
I'd play Wrath and Glory with u
normal helm
Mind if I drop some mildly amusing bits from W&G in here?
atomic pelican
😳
glad prism
Dewit
odd sparrow
i'm not saying im gonna kill any animals but like
normal helm
https://gyazo.com/4d2206841ab81b20405a3a50059f5d13
https://gyazo.com/2100fd3fe2d26515f88a1d3f5262bcba
odd sparrow
the next time a fox shows up after the livestock i may volunteer them for bedroom decorations
normal helm
theres something a little off with these
frosty cobalt
i'm not saying im gonna kill any animals but like
ngl i think it is from a goat they raised for a feast
odd sparrow
chonk goat
gaunt vector
I have never played a 40k rpg but heck I want to
frosty cobalt
WANG
vapid tiger
For w&g
frosty cobalt
im srry
gaunt vector
thats a nice thing
cerulean wagon
proud showing off their tau balls again
gaunt vector
thank u for making it
primal tide
proud showing off their tau balls again
Shes very proud of them
odd sparrow
why are we discussing wangs
normal helm
Also found 'wang' a weird one.
odd sparrow
Wrath **and** Wang
tfw hatefucking
glad prism
We have come full circle
cerulean wagon
i dont hate W&G
but
i think imma stick to DH
its been fun running it so far
but its not quiet what im looking for in an rpg
normal helm
W&G is decent, though they have some occasional lore issues, and imo botched the racial stats a bit
vapid tiger
WANG was terrible at first
normal helm
the spiel version?
vapid tiger
But then cubicle 7 got ownership
normal helm
ye
vapid tiger
Now it is good
normal helm
2e was.. so dramatically better
glad prism
I was amazed by how many pages they shaved off from edition to edition
vapid tiger
I prefer it over dh actually simply because dh always felt clumsy
It's like a 40k conversion for wfrp and it feels really weird
frosty cobalt
cant play tau smh my head
normal helm
I was left deeply disappointed by the players guide though
20 new archetypes. 1 xeno.
vapid tiger
D100 works better for wfrp
atomic pelican
I imagine they'll add tau ev entually
They were playable in rogue trader, I believe
vapid tiger
They confirmed a dedicated ork supplement in the works
atomic pelican
Wrath and Glory is still relatively new(?)
glad prism
cant play tau smh my head
We will simply make it happen. Deal with it.
normal helm
neat
glad prism
i wanna turn ppl into mist with rail rifles
Kinky
frosty cobalt
splorpt
odd sparrow
how is that even kinky
cerulean wagon
i prefer DH cause i worked out the clunk through playing OW, and DH fits the atmosphere im trying to set much better
glad prism
Not with that attitude it can't be
cerulean wagon
W&G is a lot... quirkier?
vapid tiger
DH 2e and OH work better
normal helm
I mean, you can't just go around penetrating people like that and not get the accusation
vapid tiger
W&G is a lot simpler to play
cerulean wagon
idk if thats the right word for it
vapid tiger
It's faster and you don't have shit like
atomic pelican
W&G def feels like a more 'modern' ttrpg, if that makes sense. I mean, because it is
glad prism
Maybe its just me, I'm just hoping to die, if that means by misting, I'll take it
vapid tiger
"Okay the enemy rolls to hit"
"Now you roll to dodge"
"Now they roll damage"
"Now we reduce armor and toughness"
normal helm
I like W&G's survivability mechanics, but resilience builds get absolutely stupid
vapid tiger
Instead it's
"MAYBE you roll to shift stuff and rolling damage is simpler" instead of dodging
Oh
cerulean wagon
you say that as if its not now
Roll vs def
AP vs resilience
now roll resistance to soak damage into shock
normal helm
case in point, my space elf taking a plasma to the chest and heavy rock saw to the back of the head without a single wound
vapid tiger
As someone who has dmed most of the 40k rpgs from ffg
W&G is a godsend after the rework for me at least
Also marines don't feel as fucking ridiculous
I like my marines vulnerable
normal helm
I mean.. if you build them for toughness..
vapid tiger
I mean.. if you build them for toughness..
Okay then they do
atomic pelican
damn bro these elf hitboxes busted
cerulean wagon
idk krug
normal helm
well, if an eldar, who for some absolutely retarded reason has a lower toughness cap than humans, can do that.. hate to imagine a marine with a dramatically higher toughness cap
vapid tiger
But then the marine is probably this really dumb and unskilled social outcast compared to his battle brother if he builds for toughness and strength
cerulean wagon
and nigh unkillable
vapid tiger
Where's the artwork
glad prism
damn, boi
vapid tiger
my ogryn starting with 14 resistance at tier 2
he big ogryn
normal helm
and nigh unkillable
Yeah, I can confirm this, I got the same thing going for me with an Aeldari with biomancy's shape flesh and a very high toughness/armor
vapid tiger
My deathwatch campaign consisted of a lot of me and everyone going
normal helm
its really stupid
vapid tiger
"YOU CAN DO WHAT!????" as one of the players did something ridiculous
Like the techmarine killing hundreds of traitor guardsmen with a turret
It was some shenanigan he found
cerulean wagon
But ye na i just prefer DH so far because W&G has been a lot less lethal.
Note this isnt "i want to kill my players". literaly only had 1 death in 18 months of only war
It just feels like there isnt much threat outside of adversaries in W&G
unless i wanna throw down 30+ guys
vapid tiger
W&G does have an option for damage that works a bit better
Every time a character hits 0 wounds, they take a traumatic injury
normal helm
I think the resilience system scales too easily compared to the common weapon damages
vapid tiger
And you can add on knockout rules which knocks characters unconcious if they fail a toughness check when they hit 0 wounds
cerulean wagon
if someone is hitting 0 wounds i'm impressed
vapid tiger
That's fair
I have homebrew rules where enemies always deal max ed damage
At a fixed rate
So chaos marines will inflict 17 damage on hitting anything with their chainsword for example
normal helm
if someone is hitting 0 wounds i'm impressed
Nearly had that happen in our game once, because our squishy human tried to use 'look out, sir' for a tanky elf.. brilliant decision, but, didnt kill them at least.
which honestly furthers your point
vapid tiger
But yeah wang could be more lethal
cerulean wagon
like im not saying its a bad system, i can see myself doing short joke campaigns with it
but if i want to run something serious and lethal it'll be DH 2e or OW
normal helm
I definitely think characters are too difficult to kill. especially purpose-built ones is where it gets insane.
atomic pelican
Atm Wrath has Eldar, Humans, and Orkz playable right?
normal helm
and kroot
vapid tiger
Atm Wrath has Eldar, Humans, and Orkz playable right?
Also marines and kroot and ogryns and ratlings
atomic pelican
Ah nice
normal helm
players guide added kroot as the one new xeno race and archetype
vapid tiger
The latter 3 being in a supplement
normal helm
tbh im unconvinced of the kroot's balancing
vapid tiger
The kroot seems kinda weak due to his required skills and being t1
But at higher tiers
He seems very powerful
Due to the mutations
normal helm
I think all you need is tier 2 for them to break out of their limitations by gaining a new keyword
vapid tiger
flying bulletproof kroot
cerulean wagon
Kroot have a lot of stuff that is super potent but needs DM permission
like fucking Astartes eater
which just gives raw attribute increases
normal helm
ye
atomic pelican
Invincible Kroot Dick
odd sparrow
i heard kroot dick
cerulean wagon
Rogue trader had kroot and i remember them being farely balanced
they didnt get as cool on the mutation side tho
vapid tiger
I do remember in the first test session of revised w&g i ran the marine got reduced to 0 wounds
Because genestealers
But everyone else barely got scratched
normal helm
yeaaah, genestealers gave me quite a scare first time
vapid tiger
Genestealers scary
normal helm
my tanky elf nearly died session 1 to one of those.
vapid tiger
Especially if you use the tyranid homebrew that has shock troop genestealers used during hive invasions
finite wagon
Remind me, how let's say arbites, will refer to inquisitor, when reporting a success?
finite wagon
Thanks.
primal tide
arent kroot dicks basically their shoulders
Yee they do back rubs or sth lmao
odd sparrow
seminal massage hour
eternal ledge
I'm actually enjoying W&G
GM hoof ups aside its plenty dangerous if the GM does it right
cerulean wagon
I think literaly the only way i can make it dangerous is to add enemy psykers to every encounter
to make soaking to shock an actual risk instead of just additional health
normal helm
molten beam is a hell of a drug too
final spruce
Oh no, more psykers
cerulean wagon
lmao
its fine zher, what i'll do is start adding modifiers to the psychic phenomenon
so they get more potent the more they happen
normal helm
Brutal weapons tend to be alot scarier than they look. Tried a heavy bolter? Within short range, rapid fires got you 6 ED total for up to 12 extra damage
cerulean wagon
(:
final spruce
I almost regret not picking brutalist on the ogryn
cerulean wagon
haha
cerulean wagon
but its fine i have other stuff planned for W&G
vapid tiger
I think literaly the only way i can make it dangerous is to add enemy psykers to...
Deploy chaos marines of the Scourged warband with special weapons and the Mark of Tzeentch
Give them all Forewarning
Behold, chaos marines with 5 defense, each has the ability to seize the initiative once per combat and some of them have special weapons
this is sadistic
don't do it
cerulean wagon
ive already got some stuff planned dw
normal helm
sounds like a fun fight
cerulean wagon
and ye that sounds like an actuall challenge
they'd be almost as tanky as the ogryn
normal helm
finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary-
vapid tiger
and they won't stop screeching about "THE LIES"
so have them make deception or intimidation or persuasive interaction attacks or something
final spruce
They are as good as me in melee
vapid tiger
have players roll defense like a stat with the target number being half of the attacker's skill
you have instantly made combat more engaging for players
cerulean wagon
btw zher
final spruce
vapid tiger
because they don't have to sit through the dm rolling
cerulean wagon
ignoring disgusting resilience
final spruce
As a dm I find this horrible
final spruce
And no, you just turned your combat into a slugfest that doesn't reward players that focused in melee
vapid tiger
nah
final spruce
If I wanted to play such games I'd play shadowrun or 3.5
cerulean wagon
Literaly the only thing i can see being worth turning into a roll
vapid tiger
how's it a slugfest
cerulean wagon
would be resilience
final spruce
how's it a slugfest
Because you instantly chose that to hit, your characters must have luck and roll half of their successes, in a game where skills checks are wildly different
vapid tiger
wound the chaos marine
now you only have to beat a value of 3
most t3 or t4 pcs have defense 4 or 5
They'll make it like 40-50% of the time especially if they spend glory and whatnot and take cover
final spruce
Plus players with different skills in melee would quickly see that
How about just making them , you know fight characters that are actually good in melee ?
vapid tiger
i mean i don't see why a melee character would operate any differently
Take cover as you advance
Charge
kill enemy
move to the next
cerulean wagon
Basically the issue im seeing with W&G is that all the NPCs, and most of the weapons honestly, kinda suck
vapid tiger
wdym stat stick
final spruce
No good play on maps, terrain, traps ?
vapid tiger
no you gotta place cover to accomodate the melee players
and map features that allow them have a purpose
then add other map features for the shooty players
things to shoot at that could alter the battlemap, etc
final spruce
Then why would you arbitrarily change the npc's defence depending of the attacker then ?
vapid tiger
nah
all the players have to do is beat their defense
which is easy to do if they're in the open
Or in melee
cerulean wagon
I think, and this is why im put off W&G, if i want to run it the way i want to run it
i need to custom stat an entire enemy roster from scratch
cause the ones in the book are all garbage
vapid tiger
Then why would you arbitrarily change the npc's defence depending of the attacke...
NPC defenses aren't changed
Ever
I never mentioned that
i said that players would have to roll their defense stat
As in their own
when attacked
using half of the npc's attacking stat
unless it's an interaction attack
which is just an opposed test
as normal
final spruce
Misunderstood that part
vapid tiger
All this changes is that the players roll when attacked instead of the dm
Because using this rule I have static damage values for enemies (not for pcs)
final spruce
So you're just making them do parry rolls like in RT or OW
Instead of flat AC like with most ttrpg games
vapid tiger
Sort of yeah
This furthers player engagement since instead of waiting for the dm to roll to attack and roll damage and all, the players just get attacked and treat it as a test
vapid tiger
I base it off Symbaroum, where enemy attacks are treated as "always hitting" and characters have to roll to not get hit
Because the dm rolling is like
That's the best way to bore the shit out of your players
cerulean wagon
I'm honestly not a fan of that
that misses out on some great interactions or things for players to notice
Theres nothing quiet like the players going "oh fuck this one is skilled"
final spruce
I mean you still have to meet the attacker's skill to parry or do above I believe
So lets imagine you roll high and still get it, thats a similar feeling
vapid tiger
I would maybe still roll normally for Adversary level enemies
Just to establish that "hey this guy's as skilled as you are"
"This is someone like you or better than you and that's dangerous"
Or otherwise just establish that the adversary in question is a character with their own goals in the story, equal to the players
But elites and troops?
Meh
Also helps that there's almost always only one adversary per battle if an adversary is there
so the players only have to sit through it once per round and when they do it's an event
what will the chaos space marine who has been hounding the penal squad for weeks do when he finally catches up?
cerulean wagon
not a lot looking at these stats
vapid tiger
Against T1 characters tho
👀
Against T2? Eh, might want to buff him up, make it so he's not rank and file
Maybe even build a T3 chaos space marine character as the adversary in question, using the enemy statline as a base
And then adding more wargear and whatnot
Or making him a possessed
Who are fucking terrifying
vapid tiger
Yeah but eh
Just don't follow the book in that respect
The devs have a different standard for what's a worthy adversary than you and your players
At t3 and above they can be very elite mooks
storm jungle
I gotta put this here because I just realized ferrus literally just has a giant fucking wrench
normal helm
lmao
slow prawn
He just wanted to screw with Fulgrim
storm jungle
ITS LITERALLY JUST A WRENCH
storm jungle
He just wanted to *screw* with Fulgrim
NOOOOO
slow prawn
Yeeeees
normal helm
He just wanted to *screw* with Fulgrim
You sure? Probably noticed fulgrim had a few screws loose and wanted to help
slow prawn
Such a heart-wrenching scene
vapid tiger
I imagine he discarded his hammer after learning fulgrim was a traitor
Then just grabbed the nearest big wrench
"Yeah this'll work"
primal tide
He wanted to give fulgrim some bolt-ons
vapid tiger
it did not, in fact, work
slow prawn
Should have gone for a screwdriver
cloud kindle
ITS LITERALLY JUST A WRENCH
@storm jungle its all he ever needed
wicked moss
woven dew
No wonder he lost
primal tide
Ferrus Manus, what a tool indeed
crisp heath
Honestly a wrench might have worked better than fireblade did in the fight
desert moat
Flesh is WEEAK
ashen zenith
Is there anything handicapping eldars technological advancement?
storm jungle
Honestly... no
Its just a big plothole for the most part
and uh
the best excuse is they arent psychically strong enough to operate some of them? Otherwise not much else
frosty cobalt
Wasnt the explanation that they dint have scientists and engineers that make new stuff, because wraithbone is so good?
storm jungle
No thats more to explain how they can build anything
frosty cobalt
Ah
ashen zenith
Yea cause it's weird they didn't get back to the same level after like what 15k years
storm jungle
Yeee
frosty cobalt
I thought the old ones just gave them tech and they lost a shit ton
storm jungle
its mostly explained with
Dying race
Not enough psychic levels
frosty cobalt
F
storm jungle
I thought the old ones just gave them tech and they lost a shit ton
Thats also a bit weird
atomic pelican
I assume they just took a long time to build up to the empire, and haven't quite got back to it yet
The weirdest part is that
storm jungle
like the webway wasnt an eldar creation and was the old ones' for example
atomic pelican
The Drukhari in theory have the aeldari empire tech still
They just can't use it
Since no psyking allowed in commoragh
frosty cobalt
Yea like i just thought the old ones gave them tech to win the war and after it they just partied so no real dev work
cerulean wagon
I think part of the explanation is the fact eldar follow paths
frosty cobalt
Then after the fall they go looking for all the shit they lost
atomic pelican
Yee, you have to remember that CWE are like.. space puritans compared to the Empire
They're like amish
frosty cobalt
But idk eldar so im prolly really wring
cerulean wagon
so their progress is small because they cant stay on a path long enough to invent anything, because invention can lead to obssession and over attatchment
which is something they try to avoid
storm jungle
Then after the fall they go looking for all the shit they lost
Oh yeah they do, like Proud said even when they have WMDs they're usually hard to use
or the dark eldar just yoined all the good shit
literal space opossums
frosty cobalt
Oh yeah they do, like Proud said even when they have WMDs they're usually hard t...
Looking at the war in Heaven vault like “welp the rents are gone, and the space wine fucks with ur memories so yolo i guess”
storm jungle
too accurate
no joke
theres a warzone codex where dark eldar and craftworlders fight against nids on a world called Valedor
and the druks are like
"hey we got a nuke for you"
"thats excellent thank you"
"the best part is you need to sacrifice 5 farseers to use it, LEL"
"Oh."
frosty cobalt
Fuckin when the DE give u smth for free you dont want it
odd sparrow
DE being broadly mischievous bastards as always
atomic pelican
At the rate craftworlds sacrifice farseers for plot points, you'd think they'd run out at this point
frosty cobalt
U think there would be enough SM to replace the ig with all the fuckin chapters they pump out
God i love GW numbers
atomic pelican
"Dying Race™️"
Dying race in the sense that they die the most, not that they're actually going to be killed off anytime soon
There are just enough eldar for space marines to kill and feel good about it
frosty cobalt
Thats a fuckin cry right there
Like i said i feel eldar tau relations would be fun to see more of
Especially with the distrust from the DE
atomic pelican
I believe there is one instance where some minor craftworld helped the tau and viceversa, then a ethereal got sent to go along with them on a secret mission
frosty cobalt
I think CWE and tau worked together yea
atomic pelican
Have you read the story where the tau send ambassadors to the drukhari?
Their first meeting I believe
frosty cobalt
Yep
God i love my pure blue boys
Hey these spikey fucks are here with ships that have spike chains all over them
atomic pelican
There's also another story where
atomic pelican
The Tau use a biodome of auxillaries as bait to ambush a raiding party
Like, a auxillary city or such
Unguarded, then the drukhari show up and the tau pop out of their hiding spots and slaughter the drukhari
frosty cobalt
Yea after the first encounter DE joined the orks on the taus “no chance of talking” list
atomic pelican
Yeeep
frosty cobalt
I love the tau really Really wanted to befriend the orks
That always makes me laugh
Also a FUCKIN terrifying what if
atomic pelican
Theres a world where farsight makes friends with orkz instead of betraying the empire
frosty cobalt
Meganobs with tau tech
Id like to think if they just started bloodbowl they could have gotten the orks interest
Bomb squig my beloved
atomic pelican
Haha funny puppy jump onto krieger and go boom
frosty cobalt
I love bomb squigs
Cause i just imagine a really really dumb dog who is super hyped about huggin that gasmask guy
And then grows into 5 more dumb dogs after blowing up
atomic pelican
Meat factory for making CSMS
It was featured in a warhammer horror novel
Its just like, gorey and gross
odd sparrow
ye basically just ~really gorey artificial womb vibe for making new spess mehreens~
atomic pelican
It rlly isnt as interesting as ppl make it out to be
primal tide
Not artificial enough
odd sparrow
yeah lol
it's not even close to being the weirdest body horror in the setting cus like
that's 40ks whole shtick
primal tide
It's just so needlessly gross and in bad taste
atomic pelican
YEP
primal tide
Chefs kiss
odd sparrow
vore
peak hamlet
Yeah they basically pump some poor woman up with drugs and shit so she can birth csm but nothing else really. They dont have skin when beeing born. Its pretty sick but there are far worse things out there
primal tide
Big scaven vibes from that whole gesturing dealio
odd sparrow
GW really does depend on brutalising women for ~random unnatural reproductive thing~ for their horror a lot huh
primal tide
Yeah it's just classic neckbeard shit sometimes
Like the snippets of when Orks breed humans for food
Which is dumb as hell
odd sparrow
yeah that's weird lol
frosty cobalt
its cheap body horror
atomic pelican
"And then hyper realistic blood starting oozing from the walls" - average warhammer horror
odd sparrow
smthn tells me humans wouldn't be terribly efficient for that even
just grow ork mushrooms or smthn
frosty cobalt
"DiStUrBiNg"
odd sparrow
virgin grimdark human breeding vs orks just discovering fucking agriculture
frosty cobalt
wasnt that wy they just fed them like hgh and made them fat?
atomic pelican
Farmin gitz would be rlly funny
frosty cobalt
but yea get ur umies to just farm
primal tide
Farmin gitz would be rlly funny
Some Orks just have green thumbs when it comes to gardening
atomic pelican
Freebootas get hired as farmhands by a ag planet
odd sparrow
WRITING PROMPT DISCOVERED
atomic pelican
YES
vapid tiger
The snotlings do all the work
they boss the snotlings
and the grots who help them boss the snotlings
atomic pelican
Yee I believe grots farm shrooms
vapid tiger
who they also boss around
primal tide
Stardew valley but it's all orkz
frosty cobalt
id love to see just some orks guarding an argi world and being interested in farming, helping out the humies but mostly fighting the monsters in the woods
atomic pelican
YES
odd sparrow
smthn tells me orks would create the most ridiculous combine harvester
atomic pelican
Freebootas show up to save civilians sounds amazing
frosty cobalt
orks gotta fight, but some honest work isnt bad
odd sparrow
mad max hour for tilling soil
primal tide
I need it
frosty cobalt
Freebootas show up to save civilians sounds amazing
such confused civies lol
atomic pelican
Imagine like, the average agworlder has never seen the emperor's angels
So they assume the orkz are
primal tide
Oh no lmao
odd sparrow
human farmer is equal parts perturbed at how they successfully covered 400 acres in 10 minutes and also quite angry that pieces of ork vehicle are now lodged in the ground
frosty cobalt
also half the yield that year is green and screaming
odd sparrow
honestly how no humans haven't tried farming orkoid fungus yes
primal tide
Fulla nutrientz, dat iz
odd sparrow
like yeah sure if you let it get out of control u might eventually end up with orks
frosty cobalt
Imagine like, the average agworlder has never seen the emperor's angels
i want to see some farmers betting on who wins, the meganob or the carnifex
frosty cobalt
they build like a fight ring and just watch the orks duke it out
the orks love it cause the wagh doesnt discriminate
primal tide
Some Orks take squigs into the forest to dig up mushrooms, called truffle squigs
frosty cobalt
cannibalism
the image of a fuckin big mek teaching all the lil farmer kids about the ork color theory is a funny image
atomic pelican
YES
frosty cobalt
this but its an ork up there
atomic pelican
Massive ork in a tiny teachers unformi
frosty cobalt
"soz lil runtie humies, which coulor goes fasta?"
chorus of lil voices "red!"
"very good ya gitz, gold teef for ya all"
primal tide
In a small building with a sign "skoolhouz"
frosty cobalt
thers just an ork sized hole in the side of the building
rotund siren
Do you think it would be possible for an ork to get chained up and forced to learn actual science, and if so, what would happen?
storm jungle
Are digganobz still canon?
Im pretty sure they are
its just that uh
nobody talks about gorkamorka
atomic pelican
Do you think it would be possible for an ork to get chained up and forced to lea...
Krorkz
Lmao
The chad gorkamorka
storm jungle
vs
The virgin memedamunda
frosty cobalt
just had a thought. kids are more imaginative than adults, so they could use ork tech properly
atomic pelican
vs
The virgin memedamunda
I swear guys, escher could take on the custodes and there are skaven in 40k confirmed
rotund siren
lol
storm jungle
nEcrOmUnDa iS cRaZy
storm jungle
That argument legit made my brain die
primal tide
Honestly a moment seared into my brain for eternity
storm jungle
the worst part is we had that argument once before
and i just mentioned genestealers again and he fell right into it
🪤
primal tide
The best emote
atomic pelican
and i just mentioned genestealers again and he fell right into it
The best part is that like, even in Necromunda's rules it mentions that they are splinter cults playable, that the cult at large had bigger things to handle than just petty gang wars
storm jungle
YEAH
Like sorry but if necromunda didnt have plot armor the entire planet would be infected by now
you cant solve GSC problems by just going "lol we just nuked a hive its fine"
atomic pelican
His disposition about Necromunda gangs being like
on tier with any actual 'army' faction of 40k
was weird
Tho the skaven obsession was weirder
He'd bring up skaven 'existing' in 40k like everytime he talked about necromunda
odd sparrow
rats
peak hamlet
Yeah because we all know: slightly mutated rats = skaven
primal tide
he just wanted it to be true cuz he's a furry
primal tide
Not hating on furrys, but that's gotta be his reason lol
storm jungle
tbh i wouldnt be surprised
same guy that goes "dark angels are furries because their symbol is a lion"
atomic pelican
he actually was a ratman, it'd explain the attitude
primal tide
Your brain on warpstone: all armor must be clean and de rusted
glad prism
he actually was a ratman, it'd explain the attitude
Rats have a personality
atomic pelican
glad prism
Your brain on warpstone: all armor must be clean and de rusted
Deceased
barren tapir
Like sorry but if necromunda didnt have plot armor the entire planet would be in...
TBF necromunda is infected by GS, we have more than one cult on it, and we have a confirmed orlock and escher gangs with GS, we also have hunts that the house cawdor is a primary target for infection
They had an entire hive city that got captured by GS, and they pretty much nuked it, but they didn't killed all GS that were there, some escaped via long forgotten tunnels, some are still in the ruins and infect those who venture there to try scavenge stuff and then we have GS in the wastes
atomic pelican
Yee the nuking set back the cult back quite a bit so It's fine as is shown rlly
barren tapir
It wasn't even a small hive btw, it was hive secundus iirc, it is just that the inquisition acted quite fast... Sure, then helmwar putted around the ruins a giant wall manned by penal troops and forbid anyone to go near them, but even before the nuking GS were spread over the world
final spruce
Bb--bbut the Inquisition is always slowwww ! Impewium slow
barren tapir
And TBH necromunda has indeed quite few things that are kinda unique based on the general lore of the imperium, like House Van Saar, which is capable of producing grav guns, or an hive city that is democratically governed, or its history that hint at necron presence in the past... Still it isn't a special hive world, not like how some people try to pass it... It isn't the biggest one, nor a super special one
marsh grail
honestly how no humans haven't tried farming orkoid fungus yes
Didn’t a goblin eat troll meat in warhammer fantasy and got really messed up and gassy?
odd sparrow
troll meat regenerates, so it went into his stomach and regenerated just as fast as it was being digested
therefore he has basically an indefinite food intake and he got hella fat yes
barren tapir
Grom?
marsh grail
Yeah that sounds right
So I imagine something like that but much worse if humans eat ork
vapid tiger
Orks don't regenerate
Humans could eat orcs in fantasy but like
It was seen as a risky endeavor and they didn't taste good
final spruce
Who said orks ?
marsh grail
You can get fungal infestations in your gastrointestinal tract.
vapid tiger
Yeah see that might happen but that'd just kill you
marsh grail
Oh ok
vapid tiger
Grom just got really fat and gained regenerative powers from eating troll
marsh grail
Then you just become an ork farm?
marsh grail
I mean if you see how mold can grow on anything that gets wet you know once orks invade a planet they are there pretty much for good.
Spores are literally everywhere.
vapid tiger
Yeah and ork spores prefer dark and damp places
marsh grail
It must also mean that ork spores we breathe in are killed by our immune system otherwise they’d all wear respirators or oxygen tanks when fighting them.
vapid tiger
that's where they thrive
marsh grail
Does any lore have examples of side effects of inhaling ork spores?
vapid tiger
the spores are way less successful in, say, desert environments or even temperate environments and will grow less sophisticated forms of greenskin life who basically start to "terraform" the area over time through fungus farming and whatnot
vapid tiger
Does any lore have examples of side effects of inhaling ork spores?
Nah
Probably harmless to the average human
Since it's never noted and there's no apparent need to wear gas masks when fighting greenskins
gusty fulcrum
Maybe if you were in the thick of an actual ork fungal feild itd be a different story
since they will make crude bomb outta poisenous ones n shit
that dont affect them too much due to hardiness
so you could be walking through clouds of toxic shroom spores cuz theyed be kinda just growing anywhere and everywhere along with the rest
gusty fulcrum
Does any lore have examples of side effects of inhaling ork spores?
Dont know of any specific examples of humans being affected by teh spores but orks can affect humans through the waagh and implied short generatiomal breeding
effectivly turnign them into cattle and proabably other things they could put their mind too
i believe its told about in teh war of the beast series were even the iron legion that found them considered it a mercy killing which is sayign something snce i believe they were post traitor
marsh grail
The iron warriors hate the imperium not humans in general. So it makes sense
vapid tiger
I mean I don't think the ork waaagh! field affects non-orks
Contrary to the meme about Yarrick
it's just empowers their magic and allows their technology to function better than it otherwise would
coarse mirage
I mean if you see how mold can grow on anything that gets wet you know once orks...
I’ve seen mold just appear where you didn’t think there was any
Spores, spores everywhere, dormant
marsh grail
Spores, spores everywhere, dormant
Yes it’s scary. For example wash a load of laundry in the summer and wait a day to put it in the dryer. It will smell mildewy.
It was just washed. The lid was closed. Where did they come from?!
coarse mirage
Yes it’s scary. For example wash a load of laundry in the summer and wait a day ...
Shit literally is everywhere, ready to bloom in the right conditions
Be happy you’re not allergic!
marsh grail
Hmm you know this begs the question. Were orks able to reproduce in GorkaMorka since it was a desert planet?
coarse mirage
I’m not sure ork spores require a lot of moisture
final spruce
They don't since orks live in deserts
But a good dose of promethium does get rid of most of the spores
marsh grail
In that area sure but unless you’re going scorched earth and burning Moscow to the ground you will likely miss some.
vapid tiger
Hmm you know this begs the question. Were orks able to reproduce in GorkaMorka s...
Oh they can reproduce in deserts
It's just hard for them
It helps that on gorkamorka they crashed their ship
so most of the newgrown orks could've been birthed onboard the crashed ship
marsh grail
True I’m sure it had a septic tank on board.
vapid tiger
yeah and 40k ships are massive too so there's definitely enough room for it
I'm pretty sure orks would find ship holds and underhives pretty homey
marsh grail
So what about the other end of the spectrum? Can they reproduce on an arctic planet?
marsh grail
I'm pretty sure orks would find ship holds and underhives pretty homey
We shall see won’t we. Ork darktide dlc.
vapid tiger
So what about the other end of the spectrum? Can they reproduce on an arctic pla...
Ofc
Orks can reproduce anywhere
They'll just prefer dark and damp places
That's where they'll thrive the most, but anywhere will do
marsh grail
I more meant post Waaaagh!
So after they are all killed will the cold conditions allow them to relapse?
vapid tiger
I imagine they'd have a pretty hard time doing it in deserts and the artic but they'd find a way
vapid tiger
They'll find warmer spots, ork spores are resilent
But there's gonna be way more orks coming out of Armageddon's equatorial jungles than the frozen plains of Fenris
marsh grail
Oh yeah they’ll just stick to your cloths and grow in the washing machine.
marsh grail
But there's gonna be way more orks coming out of Armageddon's equatorial jungles...
Oh wow. Yeah if orks land on a jungle just exterminatus
coarse mirage
Though all jungl planets seem very hostile to life
vapid tiger
Armageddon barely qualifies since most of its biosphere is destroyed through being a hive world and being ullanor
It just has a jungle along its equator
woven dew
What are some good 40k books?
cerulean wagon
ciaphas cain
tender igloo
i personally really like the soul drinkers books
errant mauve
Storm of Iron is my favourite of all time
tender igloo
the infinite and the divine is one of black library's best
slow prawn
For an introduction to the world of 40k, the Eisenhorn trilogy is great
smoky mauve
Warhammer Crime.
At least the second book it's with Noctis and Lux. The other one I'm still working through but it shows promise
vast frigate
What are some good 40k books?
Slave of Nuceria
The Sisters Omnibus
The Shira Calpurnia Omnibus
The iron warriors omnibus
do you see a pattern here
slow prawn
Omnibuses are the best value for Warhammer books
vast frigate
not even just value
only the good reviews tend to get omnibus wrappings
its safe to say that if a book has an omnibus variant, its a good series
there are a few exceptions but most is gut
slow prawn
And, you can get short stories and other things in and omnibus for less cost than just buying the books separately
vast frigate
yeppo
otherwise i can really recommend Skitarii, if youre interested into the Admech
the Ciaphas Cain series is grreat as mentioned, eisenhorn,
comedy gold is indeed Infinite and the Divine
slow prawn
Really, the best way to look at Warhammer books is getting books for the factions you’re really interested in
odd sparrow
unless that faction is eldar
slow prawn
Then you’re out of luck
odd sparrow
pipieline of eldar fans to bdsm elf fans due to poor fluff in the former
atomic pelican
Im pretty sure that's literally what's happening
odd sparrow
blanche planned it all out
vast frigate
Blanche just wanted his bondage elves quickly
he made drukhari and then
it all flowed
slow prawn
If only they had Cold Ones
odd sparrow
hell no
slow prawn
Then Drukhari would be perfect
atomic pelican
exodites lose again
odd sparrow
dinosaurs stay for exodites they dont get to dick us over like that
slow prawn
Shoot
atomic pelican
exodites exist to get dicked over ratty im so sorry
slow prawn
Even I forgot about them for a second
odd sparrow
so do regular eldar??
atomic pelican
that's true.
storm jungle
no like
frosty cobalt
Isnt dicking over the DEs thing?
storm jungle
exodites legit die in every book of a faction
they are always plot devices and so is their maiden world
odd sparrow
yeah tldr they exist as cannonfodder
storm jungle
yep
atomic pelican
exodites exist so biel tan could unite them
odd sparrow
which is lame cus they're by far the coolest elf faction in 40k
atomic pelican
slow prawn
If only they had better eyebrow game like Dilara over here
odd sparrow
perish
atomic pelican
biel gone
slow prawn
I forgot the name of your Pfp ok!
storm jungle
and yeah the deal with the exodites is they were suppose to be wood elves and literally had fucking rules
then GW just abandoned them lol
i guess its just them legit being lazy to make any models
atomic pelican
They realized they didnt want tosupport even craftworld ranges, so dropped exodites before they had to commit
cerulean wagon
i think its also because as much as they are aesthetically cool
as far as TT making rules for them is awkward
slow prawn
Joseph Biel Tan is currently the 46th President of the United States
cerulean wagon
to keep them feeling unique anyway
atomic pelican
Joseph Biel Tan buries dogs
And yeah hm
I would've said they could've been the tree ambush faction but ambushing is already covered now
storm jungle
DEATH
cerulean wagon
crisp heath
Im gonna make these a reality
cerulean wagon
I would've said they could've been the tree ambush faction but ambushing is alre...
yeah and honestly i prefer it this way because having GSC and other new factions is more interesting than an extra eldar faction
cerulean wagon
I say this as someone who likes eldar, i genuinly only like CWE as a major faction because the rest of eldar just sorta... exist
crisp heath
Harlequins are the only acceptable form of eldar
cerulean wagon
And are only called upon to push other factions plot
storm jungle
I say this as someone who likes eldar, i genuinly only like CWE as a major facti...
You just sorta exist
atomic pelican
Hm really? Because it feels like that's what CWE do
cerulean wagon
i wish i didnt
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Or have some convoluted love triangle plot that leads nowhere
then die.
This is of course, not the CWE base's fault but Gav being Gav
cerulean wagon
oh i'm not saying CWE are much better anymore, but there was a short span to even push CWE as a faction and it sucked cause it was given to gav
atomic pelican
Ah yeah
cerulean wagon
and even then Deldar and exodites were used as the plot points
atomic pelican
I mostly prefer Drukhari atm because even if from a outside perspective they're just yarr harr raiders who antagonize other factions, Commoragh internally is actually really interesting
cerulean wagon
who only turned up so major event could happen and feel important
I want to like Deldar but as much as their initial premise (a fallen empire clinging to former glory) is appeal to me their current state and stuff doesnt sit right with me
atomic pelican
Probably because Drukhari don't have Gav writing them 
Ah yeah that's fine uwu
oh god
I just had a moment of deep fear
If they give over the Drukhari to Gav
storm jungle
god
storm jungle
dont let that piece of shit touch them
cerulean wagon
its the same reason im not a fan of orks
theres not a lot of room to explore orks and deldar, they have a very defined place within the lore
storm jungle
though tbh id doubt he ever would, gavs loves his celtic-hindu-japanese mythos ripoffs too much to ever leave the CWE
cerulean wagon
I think Deldar could do with a revival of their sub races to help with it
atomic pelican
The funny part is that like
storm jungle
the last book that had them had 6 fucking marines kill 300+ kabalites
cerulean wagon
#DyingRace
atomic pelican
Path of the Deldar was one of the few novels Andy wrote and they were fucking amazing.
atomic pelican
Yee
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Drukhari actually have a uh pretty healthy population
They'd probably be growing if they weren't constantly killing eachother in Commoragh
cerulean wagon
ye
But ye their internal stuff
the almost comedic backstabbings n stuff is waht puts me off
they are very.... bond villain esque
storm jungle
Have you read their trilogy skelly?
because the public perception of them is really surface level stuff
cerulean wagon
not firectly but ive trawled through their lore
atomic pelican
Actually I think the Drukhari's codex is pretty alright?
I haven't looked at it in awhile and Elf has it rn
crisp heath
They have good baseline stuff
atomic pelican
but Iirc
storm jungle
A lot better than the CWE thats for sure
801.M41 — An Adeptus Mechanicus fleet attacks the Craftworld in search of its technological secrets. Millions die before the Imperials seize enough technology to sate their curiosity.[3]
atomic pelican
crisp heath
But like in depth lore ya need better sources
storm jungle
yeah
shame all they got is 3 novels
and some short stories
even a romance one
atomic pelican
I would rather they keep their 3 good novels than have gav write a single fucking sentence
crisp heath
WHITE SCARS HAVE MORE BOOKS THAN SOMEONE WOOOOO
cerulean wagon
could be worse, they could have the cwe assassinorum romance plot
storm jungle
WHITE SCARS HAVE MORE BOOKS THAN SOMEONE WOOOOO
I think you mean
atomic pelican
I've said this before, I prefer no books to shit books. It's why I'm actually pretty happy that Cults have no books from their POV
storm jungle
bows
storm jungle
I've said this before, I prefer no books to shit books. It's why I'm actually pr...
And yeah onut dont worry
like i said gav uh
cant fit that mystic irl stuff into the drukhari
cerulean wagon
atleast ciaphas cain makes cults seem cool
atomic pelican
Yee
storm jungle
since they dont roll like that and just wanna murder lol
cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
The Imperial writers usually make xenos look cooler than the xeno writers do
atomic pelican
But that isn't saying much since the most prolific xeno writer is probably gav
storm jungle
like id call my hate salt but the guy legit wont go of the eldar
hes their only prominent writer
and all his works are shit lol
cerulean wagon
their only writer outside of the now cannon fanfiction
atomic pelican
oh god what
cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
Which canon fanfic this sounds horrendous
cerulean wagon
a joke that GW picked up and made cannon proud
atomic pelican
Oh my
cerulean wagon
about a farseer x vindicare story
odd sparrow
oh dear
atomic pelican
OHHNGHN NOOO
atomic pelican
cerulean wagon
but the art/reference is made every now and then
storm jungle
Medic brought that up to me in the DMs at one point and was like "See I can like eldar lore"
atomic pelican
aaugguhng pain
storm jungle
and kept getting the farseer wrong lol
atomic pelican
was it alongside his skaven necromunda fanfiction
storm jungle
DFKLSDDKLS
cerulean wagon
yes
odd sparrow
pardon
cerulean wagon
OH GOD WHY DID U HAVE TO
atomic pelican
Just meming about Medic's skaven obsession
cerulean wagon
aAAAAAAGHHGHHH
odd sparrow
pain
atomic pelican
in 40k for some reason AA
cerulean wagon
basically ratty
median sundial
Skaven in 40k is in itself a meme.
odd sparrow
hurr durr
storm jungle
dark angels
cerulean wagon
no its just 40k beastmen, which us a legit thing
cerulean wagon
"but skaven"
cerulean wagon
dark angels have 4 legs?
odd sparrow
okay like
atomic pelican
oh fuck
storm jungle
dont ask me how
odd sparrow
did he legitimately try to claim that DA were furries
storm jungle
YES
odd sparrow
like, what was the context here
storm jungle
JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT A LION SIGIL
atomic pelican
He was comparing them to space wolves
odd sparrow
does he think they keep fursuits
storm jungle
yeah like call the wolves furries that i dont mind the guys fucking relish in it 
median sundial
did he legitimately try to claim that DA were furries
I knew he had some loose screws but THAT?
odd sparrow
space wolves aren't furries either it's one of the most played out tired jokes in a community full of played out tired jokes??
storm jungle
but the only feline thing about DA is their fucking sigil
atomic pelican
new deathwing line : "nya"
slow prawn
The Salamanders are legitimately more furry (Scaly if we care to split hairs) than the DA
odd sparrow
i dont even associate them with a lion ngl, the only symbol i remember is the uh
storm jungle
new deathwing line : "nya"
death
odd sparrow
sword one?
storm jungle
yeeee
atomic pelican
I remember the mariachi band
median sundial
Dude fuck Imperials and Eldar fanfics, I wanna see an Ork book written from an Ork perspective.
storm jungle
get Brutal Kunnin
atomic pelican
Prophet of the Waaagh! too
storm jungle
no joke tho if you want a pdf i can pass it over
median sundial
An' da git waltzed up t' me an' said "This is the say you die" and I was loik "Nah it's Choosday".
atomic pelican
O?
Oof
I haven't read them, just heard about them + saw the nice cover art for the newer one
cerulean wagon
what if we just leaned more into the comedy and weirdness of orks?
median sundial
SKELETON YES
cerulean wagon
haha wouldnt it be cool if just, any ork can now survival multiple beheadings as long as you reatatch the head?
storm jungle
If anyone wants a read: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShaskaisWarhamBits/comments/nzvjf6/interesting_bits_from_ghazghkull_thraka_prophet/
atomic pelican
Oof
atomic pelican
WEW okay
I thought Ghaz getting fucked up and revived was okay, but just
regular orkz doing it for lulz?
OOF
rotund siren
oh yeah I remember the guy who got his head removed and then put on another boi's body
cerulean wagon
the same chief
rotund siren
huh
atomic pelican
slow prawn
Duck tape ladz!
rotund siren
that is ridiculous
cerulean wagon
if theres one faction i can literaly never learn to love its orks
slow prawn
Also my favorite part of the new book is that once Ghaz almost died because he forgot to breathe
rotund siren
see this is why we need an ork to get forcefully taught how science actually works
atomic pelican
Yee
Weird things are a happening in the galaxy
Not just is that ogryn a psyker, but they're also human level intelligent.
median sundial
Please tell me there are at least one model of it.