But its that and him getting hung up over shit like the eldar blowing up that titan in DoW: Winter Assault
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
hes literaly that guy from my old RT campaign
who tried to keep abominatus blueprints
storm jungle
God dont remind me
glad prism
A few days ago by now, where have you been?
glad prism
Hope he doesn't end up offing himself
He'll bitch endlessly in other servers, don't worry
He's still kicking
summer niche
We can't all be perpetually online 
glad prism
I don't blame you, it was just a wonderful moment
cerulean wagon
he's bitching about us in every 40k server he can find
glad prism
And Dilara finally got to post her meme in victory
cerulean wagon
getting banned from a fair few of them as well
glad prism
He got banned and re-entered the Imperial Fists one I think lmao
I hope he does too
And moreover, hope he gets help.
cerulean wagon
honestly i dont know if he will, i think 40k isnt the setting hes looking for
because what he wants isnt what hes going to see reflected in the community, and thats why he kept detonating on people
glad prism
Well, he became a meme and is now an integral part of the Darktide Mythos
storm jungle
He literally went on to reddit to whine about krieg having medals, and surprise everyone disagreed with him there too lol
glad prism
With or without him, we press forward
summer niche
Good to know what happened doh
glad prism
The Darktide Legendarium will just be a multi-volume assortment of Medic memes and Krieg-bashing memes
summer niche
Thanks for bringing me up to speed.
visual pumice
<:moron:859175645543137321>
that emote is lethal 
storm jungle
I'm not sorry
and yeah deyj it wasnt anything dramatic
he just said some stuff and left, so it didnt go beyond like 100 messages
storm jungle
storm jungle
Corpse-starch is da wei
eternal ledge
Who knows how humans digestive tract has changed
8000 years ago we couldn't drink milk from cows
What's to say in 38000 years we can't eat just starch
coarse mirage
I thnk it's more about "Here, eat this or eat nothing."
storm jungle
Yeah i dont think its anything digestion related
as dream said its just that
Eat this crap or just starve to death
🥩
sacred mauve
The Lexicanum details that it's essentially soylent green made from recycled corpses, nothing about any actual starch content
glad prism
A way I judge Imperial Guard homebrewa are with regards to if they eat corpse starch or not
The Lexicanum, though true, has a tendency to be hilariously dated with some of their information
But it generally should be solid if you turn to it for any answers, for the most part
storm jungle
🖐️ Rookie question since i never got this, what is soylent green? I remember googling it and not getting anything
sacred mauve
From Google: The definition of soylent green is the food that 40 million hungry people in New York survived on in the award-winning science fiction movie Soylent Green. ... (humorous) Any foodstuff of dubious nature or origin.
sacred mauve
In Necromunda, corpse starch is known as Soylent Veridian
glad prism
If you do search it'd typically flooded with results about the film though
So it's a pretty apt comparison too
storm jungle
The name Veridian comes from the words 'verdant' meaning green and growing and 'veritas' or truth.
sacred mauve
Yea
storm jungle
seems right on with the necromunda thing 
glad prism
Ye
Sometimes, they do be having a knack for names
Then they name one guy abaddon who doesn't live up to his name
sacred mauve
I'd imagine human corpses would provide an excellent source of recycled water along with fats, proteins and essential vitamins and minerals
glad prism
With some relatively cheap additives, I bet it would do enough to satisfy the baseline dietary requirements
storm jungle
I wonder if the Snowpiercer protein blocks would be a better option
since iirc its made from bugs and thats alotta proteins lol
sacred mauve
https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/union/2020/04/11/c6d62873.png?crop=0.90%2C0.9...
I thought of this straight away when I began reading about corpse starch
storm jungle
haha
yeah like
corpse starch is obviously just in lore because grimdark
im pretty sure realistically most imperial planets would find a grosser but much more sensible food product
glad prism
No reason it can't take multiple forms
sacred mauve
i dunno, in a hive city the most readily available food source is other human beings
storm jungle
smh
sacred mauve
seems logical
storm jungle
glad prism
We have more imagination than most
storm jungle
and isnt eating humans actually bad? Like health wise i mean
sacred mauve
Yeah
storm jungle
i remember reading somewhere about it but idk
sacred mauve
In 40k tho, who knows
storm jungle
lmao good point
sacred mauve
especially considering the great number of meta-humans
and the extremely wide variety of DNA due to overpopulation
vapid tiger
im pretty sure realistically most imperial planets would find a grosser but much...
corpse starch better tho
"Cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable"
storm jungle
yep like i said
sacred mauve
corpse starch is SPAM in the 41st Millenium
glad prism
I'd say the base should be any form of biomass and then humies
vapid tiger
unless you want a more sensible fascist regime my mistake
sacred mauve
tbh 40k is bright compared to IRL timeline lmao
glad prism
It's only bright by comparison because it's a parody and even that's not particularly bright
sacred mauve
🤔
storm jungle
I dont know dude
i said the Imperium is evil and some dude in here got mad at me once
sacred mauve
evil in what context
storm jungle
Basically just being bad
then he went into a tirade about how they're doing it for the "betterment of humanity"
...
he got banned like 20 minutes later
sacred mauve
lmao
vapid tiger
lmao
storm jungle
Like I love the imperium since they're suppose to be comical
but if someone says they're doing "whats right" yikes
odd sparrow
~fascists~
sacred mauve
I mean, the imperium is a complex mesh of systems of government and society
storm jungle
Yeah fascism is an element in it but its basically a mix of every ruling system
sacred mauve
exactly
storm jungle
the evil ones just take top space as the opening narration says
while other planets can obviously just have a normal and chill rulership
sacred mauve
i mean, the ordo hereticus, malleus etc are genuine death squads
storm jungle
lul yep
odd sparrow
ye i mean the ppl who unironically like the imperium
storm jungle
yeee
sacred mauve
it appeals to the male power fantasy
glad prism
But ye, it really do be bleak today
But, today we're at a crossroads in that we have in some ways bridged the gap of satire with the reality of today. Starship Troopers is looking more like reality than it should.
But its also like, definitely not the first time it's been this opaque and bleak either
sacred mauve
so i cant help it, i like the imperium lmao
within the context of the universe, though
odd sparrow
wh
glad prism
Evil in like, every context tbh
storm jungle
Oh yeah liking the imperium is totally fine
its the same as how you like megatron shooting someone in the face
its funny and being evil in a fictional setting can be uh... fun
glad prism
Liking what it for what it stands for though
sacred mauve
exactly
sacred mauve
and darth vader chopping up scum in rogue one
storm jungle
LOL
Yeah sorry i mean fun in like that kinda sense
not ordering people to be shot
sacred mauve
hahaha
storm jungle
Its the same as how I laugh reading how one mechanicus mech walker has to be like
driven by a guy in a gel tube???
sacred mauve
yes
storm jungle
and he dies later and must be replaced
gaunt vector
so i cant help it, i like the imperium lmao
same
sacred mauve
same as dreadnoughts
storm jungle
yeee
glad prism
~~not ordering people to be shot~~
not with that attitude
storm jungle
but yeah any sensible imperial fan will still go "I like them but I WOULD NEVER want to be in an imperial's shoes."
sacred mauve
i dont believe the imperium can be boxed into a fascist dictatorship
sacred mauve
i mean, the high council of terra is an oligarchy
storm jungle
Yeah fascism is one portion of it, it has a lot of other sections
glad prism
It is a fascist dictatorship run by oligarchs at the very top
gaunt vector
i dont believe the imperium can be boxed into a fascist dictatorship
true. there are far more bad ideas in use than just that lmao
sacred mauve
It is a fascist dictatorship run by oligarchs at the very top
thats an oxymoron
odd sparrow
how
barren tapir
TBF it can be classed as a fascist oligarchy dictatorship
barren tapir
Not between one, few or all that decide
gaunt vector
honestly I don't see the point in us comparing governing techniques that have never even encompased an entire planet to those used to run an entire fictional galaxy
sacred mauve
mussolini detailed dictatorship as the primary leadership function as a requirement to implement and facilitate fascism, ya can read it in the doctrine of fascism
barren tapir
Autocratic dictatorship is the the dictatorship of one
gaunt vector
that's like trying to compare the construction of an ant hill to human national infastructure
glad prism
One tyrant up top or several makes little difference with how they choose to label themselves
storm jungle
Basically in short:
99% of ruling styles in the Imperium is still shitty
and you'll get turned into a lobotimized door holder in all of them for doing something wrong
odd sparrow
mussolini detailed dictatorship as the primary leadership function as a requirem...
do we care about mussolini all of a sudden
storm jungle
no fighting in the war room pls
glad prism
**Basically in short:**
99% of ruling styles in the Imperium is still shitty
And any good ideas, intentions or people championing them are crushed and garroted under its own immensity and indifference.
sacred mauve
The high council of Terra is an oligarchy comprising of the appointed executive representatives of the constituents forming a kind of federated Imperium
barren tapir
mussolini detailed dictatorship as the primary leadership function as a requirem...
Still this doesn't mean that a fascist state cannot be oligarchic
glad prism
So it's just 100% shitty
barren tapir
In fact even mussolini fascism had a parliament
odd sparrow
The high council of Terra is an oligarchy comprising of the appointed executive ...
sounding like the monty python peasant rn
vapid tiger
while other planets can obviously just have a normal and chill rulership
I mean most planets are still shit because of the Imperium
Your more "chill" places are likely going to be way further away from terra, likely on the frontier
gaunt vector
do we care about mussolini all of a sudden
good question
storm jungle
I mean most planets are still shit because of the Imperium
Your more "chill" pl...
Yeah i was just being optimistic sorry 
since 40k kinda allows that freedom
sometimes
i think
sacred mauve
In fact even mussolini fascism had a parliament
As did hitler, except they had no power
barren tapir
The high council of Terra is an oligarchy comprising of the appointed executive ...
It is more a council of head of institutions, nor really a federation
vapid tiger
sometimes is the keyword
glad prism
If you squint hard enough and disregard the crimes against the universe
gaunt vector
sounding like the monty python peasant rn
I'm just imagining a menial complaining about civil liberties while being carried off by an irritated shield captain
primal tide
since 40k kinda allows that freedom
Freedom in 40k
barren tapir
As did hitler, except they had no power
Italian one had power, they forced mussolini to resign
primal tide
I'm just imagining a menial complaining about civil liberties while being carrie...
"Help help I'm being repressed"
yeah that's the point bucko
storm jungle
Did we vote for the Emperor?
odd sparrow
tbh hot take but a large number of the imperium planets should be fairly chill
storm jungle
vapid tiger
The logic that "most worlds are fine" is a common sign of imperium apologetics aka closet fascists in my experience and the text explicitly states that "the nicer places are the exception to the rule"
odd sparrow
there's meant to be a million of them but the apparent importance of individual industrial/military worlds implies that the majority of them aren't dystopian hellholes
primal tide
Fenris is pretty chill iirc
odd sparrow
who probs dont contribute much
gaunt vector
Did we vote for the Emperor?
imagine the administratum trying to run an N Korea style election for the Emperor
odd sparrow
I missed that pun
glad prism
In short.
gaunt vector
Fenris is pretty chill iirc
lmao
storm jungle
Tbh tho i imagine being a space wolf is fun
and homoerotic
also lots of alcohol
gaunt vector
didn't Russ beat the Emperor in a drinking contest?
primal tide
imagine the administratum trying to run an N Korea style election for the Empero...
And they have propaganda like how he always golfs a hole in one, but it's actually true because he's an eldritch turbofuck psyker
vapid tiger
noOoOOO!!! my male viking power fantasy !!! you can't imply it's GAY!!! - some guy with a norse sounding username who paints his space wolves up as all possessing blonde hair and blue eyes with lots of runes on their armor
glad prism
He would have gone into whoring if he wasn't laid out flat too
storm jungle
noOoOOO!!! my male viking power fantasy !!! you can't imply it's GAY!!! - some g...
Cue me uploading a assassins creed valhalla gif of eivor kissing someone
odd sparrow
vikings are extremely gay
im sorry but
there's no heterosexual explanation for this
This applies to pirates twofold
storm jungle
yeah like bro
barren tapir
TBH the emperor was actually kinda voted, sure, in the way of age of strife elections, which is like, yes, i will fight for you
storm jungle
and tell me he didnt bang some dudes in his day
odd sparrow
this man devastated a twink earlier that day
primal tide
He's doing it right now
storm jungle
this man devastated a twink earlier that day
It was me
glad prism
Unknowingly or not, he 100% fucked every man
odd sparrow
feasible
storm jungle
I shall bear leman's puppies
odd sparrow
stop
storm jungle
KSDJFKDS
primal tide
Cursed
storm jungle
IM SORRY
vapid tiger
it's hilarious that they've become a symbol of "heterosexual masculinity" to some people when you've got a bunch of guys who spend much of their time on boats away from women with nothing to do
primal tide
Do knot do that
odd sparrow
Do knot do that
die
primal tide
glad prism
Yallah, I either kill myself of or all of you.
odd sparrow
it's hilarious that they've become a symbol of "heterosexual masculinity" to som...
turns out that The Gay is practically omnipresent anywhere where a bunch of men are locked up in a box together for months at a time
who knew
glad prism
PFFFFFT
odd sparrow
alright that is like
glad prism
Help
odd sparrow
turbo incest
vapid tiger
pirates were gay
vikings were gay
everything considered "uber masculine" is probably gay
odd sparrow
Romans were extremely gay
storm jungle
SHUT UUUP
odd sparrow
idk even if it's not strictly genetically related
glad prism
Romans were *extremely* gay
They were different in that they don't mind it, so long as you weren't receiving
odd sparrow
they all share a secondary dad basically
primal tide
Where do you think all that geneseed comes from
storm jungle
Like technically id say no, since they arent related since they were born
gaunt vector
<:CoolDarkAngel:648992247349510147>
I swear I thought that there was a (maybe gay) nightclub near GW's 1st edition offices called The Rock
storm jungle
its more like forced genetic sharing
storm jungle
I swear I thought that there was a (maybe gay) nightclub near GW's 1st edition o...
THERE WAS
odd sparrow
They were different in that they don't mind it, so long as you weren't receiving
i understand that was shared by the Even Gayer Greeks™️ ye
vapid tiger
MARINES ARENT RELATED
Primarchs definitely are and Guilliman and the Lion are uhhh
👀
odd sparrow
an older man bottoming was seen as effeminate and unbecoming
sacred mauve
The Mechanicum is a nominative vassal that is made up of a system of Clans with what is essentially an aristocratic elective monarchy. It's a nominative vassal of the Imperium only as long as the Emperor is alive (per the Treaty of Mars). So thats one example of a society bereft of dictatorship
storm jungle
glad prism
Fellas, has science gone too far today?
primal tide
Primarchs definitely are and Guilliman and the Lion are uhhh
They're just "competitive"
vapid tiger
Despite himself, Guilliman felt his heart skip and his lungs pump. The Lion. The Lion. There were brothers that he could look down on, and was happy to, and there were brothers that he could admire. Rogal, Magnus and Sanguinius, and, damn him, even Russ. He could admire them for what they were. But there were only two brothers that he had ever actually looked up to, only two brothers that he had ever actually admired. There were only two brothers that he felt shadowed by when they were present. Lion El’Jonson and Horus Lupercal. The Lion emerged from his lander stony-faced, bareheaded, his long golden hair trailing in the wind. So beautiful, so deadly, so empty, so unreadable.
storm jungle
NOOOOO
glad prism
They're all just cum in some test tubes at the end end of the day
gaunt vector
tbh id say the primarchs dont count either
you are really trying to push that as far as u can aren't u
lmao
glad prism
AAAAAAAA
sacred mauve
the lion is probs my favorite primarch, and favorite legion
storm jungle
Dark Angels are pretty pog
sacred mauve
double crossed the emperor and horus
odd sparrow
are the primarchs even related strictly speaking
vapid tiger
*'Has it really been so long, Roboute?’ he asked and abruptly embraced Guilliman in a clash of armour.
‘No, no,’ Guilliman replied, swallowing hard. His war-helm had been knocked out of his grip with the abruptness of the Lion’s embrace, and was rolling on the marble paving behind him. ‘It’s good to see you,’ he said, forcing control of his voice.
The Lion broke the embrace and nodded. He bowed, picked up Guilliman’s fallen helm and rose again, handing it back to him.
‘Good to see you too, brother,’ he said. ‘And good to see your extraordinary light. You must tell me all about that.’
‘I will. But, there is another, more immediate matter,’ Guilliman said, hoping his composure had remained intact.*
odd sparrow
like, do they all have dna from big e or not
gaunt vector
I can't exactly talk about not being gay for primarchs. I'm a Sanguinius fan
sacred mauve
are the primarchs even related strictly speaking
They're made from the DNA of the Emperor, so, yes
storm jungle
I just go with the logic that they werent exactly naturalyl born from a single mom
and their genetic heritance is like
forced on them
sacred mauve
They're test tube babies
vapid tiger
His father rose up within him, pouring from the staff and into every fibre of his essence. Ahriman felt himself pressed into the very frontiers of his flesh as Magnus the Red claimed him, a being of spirit newly returned to flesh. Ahzek Ahriman could not contain Aforgomon’s power and live. But the Crimson King could. Ahriman felt his body swell with the essence of a god. He was no longer in command of his flesh. That duty and honour fell to his primarch.
cerulean wagon
they are basically just advanced cherubs
glad prism
That's a lot of cum however you choose to define it.
storm jungle
*His father rose up within him, pouring from the staff and into every fibre of h...
OH MY GOD
WHAT IS THIS
odd sparrow
Ahriman felt himself pressed into the very frontiers of his flesh as Magnus the Red claimed him
PARDON
glad prism
*His father rose up within him, pouring from the staff and into every fibre of h...
AAAAAAAAAA
vapid tiger
A real quote from a horus heresy novel
storm jungle
``Ahriman felt himself pressed into the very frontiers of his flesh as Magnus th...
BRUH
GAY AF
odd sparrow
Holy SHIT who wrote that
sacred mauve
dan abnett?
storm jungle
Its not as good as Fulgrim getting tortured i think
storm jungle
and getting a pear shoved up into his ass
sacred mauve
reads like homo-erotic fan fic lmao
odd sparrow
i hope his wife doesn't read the gay magnus fanfic disguised as a HH novel
gaunt vector
I think the best part about all of this is that I think that Primarchs and Astartes would be completely oblivious to all of this beacause I don't think they have/ understand sex drives/ romance
cerulean wagon
SM are super sculpted muscle men
odd sparrow
yeah ok my mind has been changed SM are very gay
cerulean wagon
ofc its homo erotic
storm jungle
GW just never explores romantic shit
because they're cowards
and warhammer is PG13
vapid tiger
There's also that excerpt when Abaddon and Loken spar in a cage as training and they're like
storm jungle
gore is fine tho
odd sparrow
i am okay with this honestly
vapid tiger
They're naked and all oiled up
cerulean wagon
my poor boi
odd sparrow
imagine the sheer number of love can bloom jokes if they actually did
storm jungle
eisenhorn does romance
ITS NOT MARINE ROMANCE
gaunt vector
Grimaldus explicitly states at helsraeach that he doesn't understand human romance
cerulean wagon
sacred mauve
i remember reading that the salamanders had a gene mutation that enabled them to procreate
vapid tiger
ITS NOT MARINE ROMANCE
We need marine romance
sacred mauve
was old canon tho
cerulean wagon
ITS NOT MARINE ROMANCE
marine romance is pretty cringe tbh
odd sparrow
straight af
glad prism
because they're cowards
Their writing is also far too inconsistent to nail (pun intended) romantic themes well.
storm jungle
odd sparrow
marine romance is pretty cringe tbh
i can only accept marine romance if it's blood angels
prisma lark
I know I complained just yesterday about reposting memes, but I was just looking for this one lol
vapid tiger
marine romance is pretty cringe tbh
They're so gay tho
odd sparrow
cus they're all sappy prettyboys who would write poetry for u
dim totem
I know I complained just yesterday about reposting memes, but I was just looking...
im lightning quick
sacred mauve
lightning warriors probably could procreate
dim totem
tbf
vapid tiger
ogryn romance 
cerulean wagon
stop trying to fuck the ogryn ratty
dim totem
pretty sure the average guardsman knows more about the art of lovemaking than an astartes
gaunt vector
lightning warriors probably could procreate
ohfuk they probably could
sacred mauve
as would any terran-born 1st gen marines
storm jungle
and i dont wanna see that
gaunt vector
oh no
odd sparrow
one sec gonna find those female ogre models from bloodbowl
glad prism
Space Marines are the Sacred Band, but going off the writers, nothing is sacred.
vapid tiger
Can't wait for all the ogryn porn after darktide releases
gaunt vector
one sec gonna find those female ogre models from bloodbowl
oh no not again
sacred mauve
rule34 ogryn lmao
dim totem
rule34 ogryn lmao
was about to google that lol
glad prism
Built different
vapid tiger
YEAHHH
sacred mauve
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/864688777582084106/i...
they have wide birthing hips
odd sparrow
precisely
dim totem
none of what i found is even vaguely post able here
glad prism
they have wide birthing hips
Truly, no one in this fantom should be allowed to say those words in the same sentence.
storm jungle
AAA-
gaunt vector
we are starting to sound like basementdwellers braging about being aryan but for ogryns
pls stop
odd sparrow
absolutely not
dim totem
true
sacred mauve
i want to see deathkorps of krieg ogryn broodmothers raising their testtube babies
dim totem
very true
glad prism
Dilara, pls.
odd sparrow
Look
dim totem
no i dont wanna look
glad prism
It was going so well
odd sparrow
am i wrong for wanting an ogryn gf big enough for me to sleep on
glad prism
No, the heart wants what it wants
sacred mauve
big tiddy goth ogryn gf
dim totem
yes bc they have the mind of a child
odd sparrow
that depends literally entirely on the author tho
storm jungle
aaa
peak hamlet
😳
storm jungle
sacred mauve
i think ogryns lack the required equipment to procreate
peak hamlet
Yall horny in lore chat >:c
odd sparrow
some authors are weirdos who depict them as giant toddlers, the og ogres they're based off are smart enough to develop a whole civilisation tho
glad prism
I'm no longer asking. I simply know science has gone too far this time.
odd sparrow
so like
gaunt vector
that depends literally entirely on the author tho
do not dig yourself into that problem
pls
odd sparrow
clearly not children mentally
sacred mauve
Yall horny in lore chat >:c
this is entirely an academic discussion
storm jungle
the Ogryn Movement wont be defeated so easily
odd sparrow
u can block me but u cant remove the imagery of big mommy ogryn
storm jungle
it is
odd sparrow
ok i'll stop
barren tapir
Get the F out of here
sacred mauve
i wonder how long it takes to vat-grow ogryn
glad prism
acting unwise in the fruit section of a grocery store thanks to y'all
barren tapir
You first blank
First the ladies Dilara, i'm a gentleman
dim totem
rekt
sacred mauve
and whether field-procreated ogryn would be more efficient/effective
barren tapir
<:Gun_Left:724450363926904842>
odd sparrow
idk i assume ogryns have to reproduce normally
given they're meant to have evolved independently on like, abandoned prison worlds and stuff
storm jungle
Ye and im pretty sure the imperium just lets that go the way it is
especially since ogryns are good troopers and such
odd sparrow
u can do whatever tf u want so long as u keep punching those insurgents until their bones jellify
barren tapir
Ogryns are subhumansabhuman, a requirement to be a subhumanabhuman my bad is to be capable to keep reproducing
glad prism
Okay, broader point: not only are most of GWs writers far too inept to do romantic scenes or themes, but no one in the fantom is either and are even less qualified to talk about anything pertaining to reproduction
odd sparrow
whoever decided to choose subhuman as terminology here is on thin ice
dim totem
yeah but do you really crave reading romance in 40k?
odd sparrow
tbh gimme like
a repressed couple in a hive city who find comfort in eachother or smthn
sacred mauve
Ogryns are ~~subhumans~~abhuman, a requirement to be a ~~subhuman~~abhuman my ba...
In fact they are not sub-human, but meta-human I believe. Raising ogryn children on the battlefield would surely yield more effective killing machines
odd sparrow
make it cute inbetween descriptions of like, idk corpse starch rations
dim totem
call me a cynic but id have zero interest in reading that
barren tapir
Yea yea i miswrote
odd sparrow
it's between that and more bolter porn
glad prism
Join us tonight as we delve into the imperium's policies on child rearing
odd sparrow
™️
dim totem
each to their own ofc
barren tapir
a repressed couple in a hive city who find comfort in eachother or smthn
In gaunt's ghost there is one
More than one actually
odd sparrow
!! hell yeah
glad prism
Seize the means of reproduction.
odd sparrow
abnett delivers
dim totem
waddabout lasgun porn
odd sparrow
marginally more acceptable
sacred mauve
I wonder if ships/regiments have cabin boys like ships during the napoleonic era, to carry ammunition and carry out mundane tasks
barren tapir
whoever decided to choose *subhuman* as terminology here is on thin ice
Oh come on Ratty, you knew i miswrote
barren tapir
I wonder if ships/regiments have cabin boys like ships during the napoleonic era...
Yes, not from the mustering though
Gaunt has an aide, which isn't of the age to be a guard, so he became his aide until the proper age to be a guard
glad prism
Yes, not from the mustering though
Old habits die hard
barren tapir
Then there is the internal process of making new guards, since some regiments are mixed and some simply get new people in from battle zones
sacred mauve
From what I understand ships with hundreds or thousands of crew have self-contained society’s with all the required accoutrements to perpetuate them
ie. emperor class battleships
barren tapir
Ships indeed are like micro worlds in themselfs
storm jungle
sacred mauve
Ships indeed are like micro worlds in themselfs
Like a miniature craftworld
barren tapir
I didn't noticed it
odd sparrow
It's a craftworld except the denizens are far less pretty
sacred mauve
Ew Eldar
storm jungle
Ew human
glad prism
Glad ur back, it wasn't the right blend of chaotic without u
barren tapir
Eh people
storm jungle
glad prism
Ew, life.
storm jungle
sacred mauve
<a:spray:707101893771657306>
😂
barren tapir
<a:spray:707101893771657306>
I don't think that this was referred to me
glad prism
If there is one upside to 40k, is that space elves are a thing, and so are orks.
Which is just America, but honest.
barren tapir
I also lack a git to answer that if it was
storm jungle
Gun-tribes lets gooo
coarse mirage
If I know my fantasy, Ogryn women are super hot.
That's how it is when the males are ugly
glad prism
Gun-tribes lets gooo
Detroit was the genesis
barren tapir
Gun-tribes lets gooo
Wut??
storm jungle
Wut??
The gun-tribes in Not-America on terra
its where the first iron warriors came from
barren tapir
Wut?! Really??
barren tapir
Didn't heard about it
odd sparrow
subtle
barren tapir
Time to go digging
storm jungle
Founded as its brother-Legions were on Terra during the closing stages of the Unification Wars which presaged the Emperor's Great Crusade in the middle centuries of the 30th Millennium, considerable surface level detail on the origins of the IVth Legion remains. Its first muster grounds are noted to have been founded atop the wreckage of a recidivist fortress on the Auro Plateau of Sek-Amrak.
The warlike gun-tribes, blood grieves and Tek-enclaves in the surrounding area provided the Legion with much of its earliest waves of recruits as the recalcitrant region was brought fully into the fold of Terran Unification, rapidly becoming one of the most stalwart of Loyalist domains.
sacred mauve
Eldar are perhaps the saddest part of 40k, no home worlds, fractured culture, stagnant technology, artificial population controls combined with limited reproductive abilities.
gaunt vector
yeah the IW are americans
glad prism
But different
storm jungle
Eldar are perhaps the saddest part of 40k, no home worlds, fractured culture, st...
You forgot bad writers
Also being punching bags
odd sparrow
Eldar are perhaps the saddest part of 40k, no home worlds, fractured culture, st...
bet
storm jungle
odd sparrow
exodite gang
glad prism
OOF
gaunt vector
Also being punching bags
damnit gav
odd sparrow
we have so many home worlds that the writers never run out of them to use as cannon fodder for other factions
storm jungle
gaunt vector
I want to be an eldar fan and I love the craftworlds its just that their books and models suck
if they had new models I would buy them
but until then
no
odd sparrow
some
sacred mauve
Majority of craft worlds are genocidal xenophobes lmao
storm jungle
Nah thats just biel-tan
barren tapir
If those are just some there must be a lot of them...
odd sparrow
isn't that mainly just one
storm jungle
yeah biel-tan
barren tapir
Look left and right
storm jungle
who just murder everyone
barren tapir
Something doesn't sound right
storm jungle
other eldar never do anything unless they get a pRoPhEcY to go to some world other races occupy
sacred mauve
biel-tan should team up with DE and do some real damage
sacred mauve
I didn’t even know
gaunt vector
other eldar never do anything unless they get a **pRoPhEcY** to go to some world...
to be fair thats mostly because they are trying to conserve their population
barren tapir
Biel tan was the defender of all exodites
gaunt vector
they also hate orks
barren tapir
It was extremely active, and then someone decided that he was also broken
barren tapir
Dayum?!
gaunt vector
and in spite of their craftworld getting Cadielfed they still exist
gaunt vector
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368066737167400960/864884773771673630/ima...
THE WHAT
storm jungle
barren tapir
Wolftime?!?!
gaunt vector
WOLFTIME
glad prism
Oh for fuck's sake.
dim totem
what time is it?
odd sparrow
fucking wolftime
storm jungle
ITS JUST A TITLE
odd sparrow
sfdpvsjg
gaunt vector
LEMAN RUSS RETURN???????????????
odd sparrow
god i love it
storm jungle
END TIMES ISNT HERE YET
although okay fucking quote me on this
the book is gonna have a surprise
hinting at leman's return
gaunt vector
ITS JUST A TITLE
BUT THIS IS WHEN RUSS IS SUPPOSED TO RETURN
sacred mauve
My god the furries are going to cream themselves over this
barren tapir
Yes, but russ said that he would return to the wolftime, not the end time
odd sparrow
there are like
storm jungle
Yeah but i think its just gonna be a tease of russ
odd sparrow
no furries who play space wolves
glad prism
"Surprise"
odd sparrow
it's a bad meme and u should feel bad
barren tapir
Russ return would be so fucking rad, mostly because he could start a civil war
eternal ledge
Lol
barren tapir
Like, let russ know about the months of shame
eternal ledge
I'd love that they find him and he's gone full Wolfen
barren tapir
It will be fun i'm sure
eternal ledge
Magnus would laugh his red ass off
gaunt vector
I'd love that they find him and he's gone full Wolfen
oh pls no
gaunt vector
Magnus would laugh his red ass off
yeah but that would imply that magnus won a thing and that never happens
sacred mauve
If he comes back, I want to see Russ destroy the Ecclesiarchy
barren tapir
Look, it isn't their fault if fenris is fucking hard to siege
They got giant krakens!
Also it is shit cold
eternal ledge
Magnus kinda won
barren tapir
It has tectonic activity
sacred mauve
fenris has more plot armor than guilliman
I mean, Fenris is infused with pseudo-warp energy that buffs the Space Wolves, so not big surprise
barren tapir
Crazy people on it, and i'm not talking about the space wolves
glad prism
fenris has more plot armor than guilliman
The calgar hands of planets.
eternal ledge
Killed enough fenrisians to pull Solctarius out of the war
barren tapir
also hey diverse fenrisian people
Oh boy, this is gonna be fun
eternal ledge
Warp
odd sparrow
how long until arch makes a video about how diversity is ruining 40k
storm jungle
also funny because dark skinned fenrisians are mentioned in the space wolf codex lol
eternal ledge
Oh boy, this is gonna be fun
Oh god it's gonna be Marvel's Thor all over agin
barren tapir
Lol, Dilara me and Yible said the same thing
sacred mauve
Pretty sure Russ is hardline Imperial Truth, so I don’t believe he would agree with Gulliman on the necessity of the Ecclesiarchy
gaunt vector
how long until arch makes a video about how diversity is ruining 40k
how fast can arch make a video
dim totem
do people actually want a 40k end times equivalent?
gaunt vector
Lol, Dilara me and Yible said the same thing
great minds think alike and somehow so do ours
glad prism
Lol, Dilara me and Yible said the same thing
Put me down for the count, even if only in spirit
odd sparrow
do people actually want a 40k end times equivalent?
phil kelly wants to help write it™️
barren tapir
Pretty sure Russ is hardline Imperial Truth, so I don’t believe he would agree w...
Not really, he is more spiritual than organized religion though
He would be pissed by how the ministrorum treat people for sure though
barren tapir
And it will probably be pissed at them since big E don't wanted to be a god
barren tapir
wolves already worship a god called Morkai
Yes, but is a shamanistic way
sacred mauve
Really? He voted against the Librarium during the Council of Nikea and hated Lorgar
odd sparrow
he had an interview in which he stated that he wants to eventually do the 40k end times and like,, phil no
dim totem
ah
i googled him and what i found on wikipedia was: Phil Kelly (Artist) (1950–2010) was an Irish expressionist painter who became a Mexican citizen in 1999.
odd sparrow
perhaps he's been resurrected to write ethereals badly
dim totem
sacred mauve
Any Fulgrim fans here 🥴
sacred mauve
Hahaha
barren tapir
Really? He voted against the Librarium during the Council of Nikea and hated Lor...
He hated sorcery, although he was quite hypocrite on that, and disliked lorgar because lorgar was for structured religion where russ is more of a shaman take...
dim totem
i hate the model though
glad prism
I hate the Sanguinius model more.
sacred mauve
Peak great crusade Fulgrim is the one I’m a fan of
sacred mauve
Post Laer-blade Fulgrim is cancer
glad prism
Post Laer-blade Fulgrim is cancer
I'm sure post-laer Fulgrim would disagree and say he's an asparagus, but to each their own
sacred mauve
Fulgrim-Ferrus Mannus bromance is great
dim totem
(also the laer sword looks stupid)
glad prism
It's not great, but I'm glad it looks mostly conventional but slightly wrong
dim totem
but dont tell fulgrim i said that
sacred mauve
(also the laer sword looks stupid)
It’s more of an artistic statement than practical, which in of itself is representative of Fulgrim’s decline from balance and perfection into decadence
dim totem
storm jungle
gay
glad prism
The fact he has lips at all is a miracle
storm jungle
sacred mauve
Fulgrim is love, Fulgrim is life
glad prism
Lmao, this came up on my recommended feed recently.
odd sparrow
hot
odd sparrow
the fulgrim nut sounds towards the end are a nice touch
sacred mauve
dim totem
im gonna be real here: i dont really care for fulgrim
sacred mauve
i mean, pre or post slaaneshi daemon possession
dim totem
i kinda like demon fulgrim more
but sigvald the magnificent seems more interesting
look at those thighs
odd sparrow
i forever adore how his thighs are exposed
could you make full plate armour any more unnecessarily slutty
dim totem
by doing the same with the biceps
odd sparrow
u get a similar vibe with vampires too
sacred mauve
Fulgrim has better character development than sigvald
glad prism
could you make full plate armour any more unnecessarily slutty
They just applied the techniques used to make armour for women in most other settings. Lessons were learned by the sculptors at GW for Sigvald
storm jungle
lacey thigh highs with plate over them
Dont forget the beauty mark over the boob
glad prism
Really thought you were about to say Franz
glad prism
Frank Zappa
sacred mauve
I like the bears
glad prism
Ah yes, the man behind such legendary works of art that adorn many a book cover
rotund siren
and adorn many book covers
glad prism
Autocorrect will be the death of me.
rotund siren
lol
cerulean wagon
corvus corax batman model
sacred mauve
who is corax's robin
glad prism
Sharrowkyn?
glad prism
Man is packin'.
sacred mauve
bigiron.mp3
dim totem
but yeah people really expect there to be a 40k end time and a reboot?
cerulean wagon
one day probably
i dont think it'll be anytime soon
otherwise thise whole model update would be pointless
dim totem
how would you envision a reboot?
glad prism
Once their current customers die off
When things look iffy for it's viability as a business
dim totem
i guess im just used to wow
it's popular enough to have a playerbase that seems to bring in enough money even in bad periods
and i doubt blizzard knows how to pull of a decent reboot or sequel, bc the current mmo market is mostly dead
but i dont really have context with games workshop, i wasnt around to play whf in its heyday
eternal ledge
but yeah people really expect there to be a 40k end time and a reboot?
I don't get that considering the fall of Cadia and awakening of Guliman was that
glad prism
It was stagnating and they took something of a chance on AoS, a massive return on investment for them
eternal ledge
The clock moved past 11:59PM December 31st 999.99 M41
atomic pelican
If you want context, WHF sold worse as a whole than both paint and tactical marines boxes at its deathknell
crisp heath
AoS was operating at a loss for a few years until like 2019 iirc
atomic pelican
It also suffered from being wildly expensive as compared to now
And no
AoS had issues at launch, but it was p much always outperforming WHF
cerulean wagon
it's popular enough to have a playerbase that seems to bring in enough money eve...
The reason they might is that sure 40k brings in money but AOS was such a jump in sales by rebranding and resetting the community
because sure the community for WHF was big, but it was stagnant
and new comers could often find themselves outcast
atomic pelican
I dont even think WHF was that big
cerulean wagon
it used to be, WHF was the flagship
atomic pelican
Most ppl who like it now are ppl whi got into TWW
dim totem
I'm kinda inclined to see Skele's opinion there but idk
cerulean wagon
40k its a bit easier for them to revitalize tho
because its done over thousands of years over billions of worlds
so they dont need to full reset, they can just refocus
atomic pelican
40k already has one of the advantages that AoS has always had
cerulean wagon
so in the long run, as long as they dont do anything too stupid 40k literaly has no need to reset
atomic pelican
Theoretically infinite space
dim totem
Theoretically infinite space
that's exactly what i like about it too
for all the bickering and discussing we do here i always think like 'well the universe IS a big place'
glad prism
I don't take much issue with it being a theoretically infinite universe
But that I wish it were better realised
Because the way the realms work feel like a half baked idea to me
But I like the core idea and it's essence
It's execution just has me a bit unsure of it
atomic pelican
Can u specify
odd sparrow
ASS
dim totem
yes i'm not following
odd sparrow
tho ye cowboys are extremely gay
primal tide
smh gw just catering to flat earthers with the aos realms
atomic pelican
😩
glad prism
I mean like, I know it's high fantasy and all that, but I think something as simple as just not having it be a globe makes the setting feel in some ways inaccessible. That's before I get into the flat earthisms
eternal ledge
You do realize AoS is not the only fantasy franchise to have flat disk worlds right
primal tide
On the nose you say
odd sparrow
there not being an actual solid map for the setting does feel sorta weird yeah
cus im horny for cartography
glad prism
I know, but it doesn't seem realised
dim totem
I mean like, I know it's high fantasy and all that, but I think something as sim...
well pretty difficult to have a globe of the galaxy innit?
atomic pelican
Infact, I think every realm has a map now for the most active places
dim totem
and by realms you mean sectors?
primal tide
No, aos talk
glad prism
It just feels patchy, I have seen the maps before but it just doesn't fit in my square brain
atomic pelican
eternal ledge
It saves them from having to write lore for every continent and city and state in them
glad prism
I do like Ghur's map doe
eternal ledge
It gives you the option to make a homebrew campaign
atomic pelican
If they had everything mapped, they would not be able to add more
Which is the purpkse
That too
eternal ledge
Like the Animosity campaign
primal tide
Those continents do be looking hungry
eternal ledge
Well its Ghur the realm of beasts
atomic pelican
Hungwy
vapid tiger
They literally are hungry
in ghur the continents try to eat each other via continental drift over the course of thousands of years
glad prism
I think it really lends itself to just being the precursor to another rebirth of Fantasy and this is all some five dimensional game of portal
eternal ledge
It's above high Fantasy now
glad prism
But yeah, I know the reasonings behind why they made the choices they did
I'm still just meh on it
eternal ledge
It's like Mythic Fantacy
dim totem
No, aos talk
ahhh he's talking about aos
barren tapir
I think it really lends itself to just being the precursor to another rebirth of...
This would be amazing, with interplanetary wars
odd sparrow
Its just not the entirety of every realm is mapped
ye but like, idk i like developed maps u know? with every location being p well explored
dim totem
now im following again lol
eternal ledge
You have the Gods fighting on the field with soldiers
atomic pelican
ye but like, idk i like developed maps u know? with every location being p well ...
This is how the maps which exist are
dim totem
ye but like, idk i like developed maps u know? with every location being p well ...
i think that's part of the wh40k charm, maybe a place was thoroughly explored but like thousands of years ago
odd sparrow
WHFB did just put in a bunch of random nonsense around like, naggarond and the southlands or whatever but the whole old world area is v well explored
dim totem
and nobody really bothered to keep track
vapid tiger
ye but like, idk i like developed maps u know? with every location being p well ...
And that leaves no room for making up your own places
odd sparrow
each area has a distinct ~vibe~
atomic pelican
Or room to expand later
dim totem
i also kinda like how the whfb map was just
odd sparrow
Ye that's why they like to leave it vaguer for AoS, it's way more flexible. same with 40k
odd sparrow
eventually with WHFB they ran out of continents to stick fantasy races on
vapid tiger
Like I love how the old world is pretty much entirely mapped out but there was no room for anything to happen
Worse, it made no sense for some factions to fight others
odd sparrow
excepting the east but who cares about the chinese
vapid tiger
Due to geography
primal tide
Fully mapped areas are boring
Exploration gang
atomic pelican
eventually with WHFB they ran out of continents to stick fantasy races on
They ran out of racism to create nonwhite ppl out of
glad prism
excepting the east but who cares about the chinese
Or India
odd sparrow
at least they never touched australia
glad prism
Here be dragons
eternal ledge
Lol
odd sparrow
the aboriginal community never would've recovered from 80s brit nerds ideas about how to transfer them into a fantasy setting
primal tide
Oh god
eternal ledge
The things on that continent not even the Chaos gods want to touch
primal tide
Don't tell the pygmies guy about Australian aboriginal folks
glad prism
I'm sort of glad Persia wasn't categorised as a separate thing to Araby.
odd sparrow
i pray to all gods that whoever came up with pygmies is dead by now
for his own good
primal tide
For our own safety
atomic pelican
Im kind of surprised there wasnt good ol romanian hate in early WHF considering 80s and british
odd sparrow
huh yeah
odd sparrow
u dont have gypsies for BL writers to vent their lowkey distaste towards
dim totem
tbf i dont know much
eternal ledge
Lol
atomic pelican
Cathay was pretty orientism'd but I believe CA will fix that
odd sparrow
And yeah basically every none western faction they tackled was uh,,, yeah
glad prism
Apart from just being a thing that existed once and not that well explored, they didn't really do too much for me to explicitly call racist with regards to the East so far as I can remember
atomic pelican
Araby had a leader named jafar and carpet riders
odd sparrow
psr;fighjsr
atomic pelican
Nippon had suicide bombers
vapid tiger
Araby had a leader named jafar and carpet riders
Don't forget
atomic pelican
We dont talk abt pygmies
dim totem
ok i get the picture
glad prism
Carpet riders were hilarious to me, but yeah, I know
primal tide
...
dim totem
wait
odd sparrow
oH
vapid tiger
yep
dim totem
how many years ago was this?
odd sparrow
i was not aware of this
eternal ledge
...
atomic pelican
primal tide
That's extra bad
glad prism
This I didn't remember
odd sparrow
lord give me strength
glad prism
But it sounds like pretty 80s GW
eternal ledge
Yeeeeep
dim totem
bc i kind of want to sweep it under the same rug as lovecraft but james is like 80 years behind idd
glad prism
Boiler plate 80s
vapid tiger
This is why araby will never be in tww
odd sparrow
for the better
vapid tiger
Because fucking
yikes
dim totem
they could do with a proper rework in the reboot yeah
odd sparrow
surely u can understand CAs perspective here
dim totem
to make them actually cool
atomic pelican
Also since Araby wasnt a armybook in 8e iirc
They only confirmed 8e armybooks
Nor was it ever one?
I think it was just a supplement for empire
odd sparrow
ye i think CA just like. if ur gonna do one of the barely substantiated ~eastern races~ then at least start on a blank slate
glad prism
they should just hire me to handle the east.
eternal ledge
Wasn't it just white Dwarf supplements
atomic pelican
with the whf reboot, is it set before sigmar?
Time of Magnus, so after sigmar
odd sparrow
i believe it's set a few hundred years before the end times?
dim totem
ah ok
atomic pelican
Yee
dim totem
i was kind wondering if "western" humans before sigmar had a messiah figure
odd sparrow
~random germanic tribe analogues with derivative names~
atomic pelican
I believe its before the war of beards(?)
vapid tiger
I think later obscure araby lore cleaned them up a good deal but it's like
It's still not a great situation
dim totem
so sigmar is just jesus and charlemagne combined?
odd sparrow
p much
dim totem
hm
glad prism
Ya
atomic pelican
Its 30k
odd sparrow
christlike figure who ~ascends to godhood according to his cult~ who was also a v successful and sensational military leader
vapid tiger
Like I think they dropped the "allah" thing and made araby more atheist and also much more technologically advanced rather than literally being called "backwards" but like
The history is still there
odd sparrow
sorta like alexander the great in terms of the like, sorta deified military leader
dim totem
if youre gonna make a reductionist map of earth in a fantasy setting, might as well i guess
vapid tiger
It's damage control
dim totem
i just see whf as like
odd sparrow
Yeah like, u could do cool stuff in araby but idk there's not all that much to work off
vapid tiger
"Oh SHIT we were racist uhhh wipe away the faction and make any future mentions of it vaguely positive"
There was no other good solution
dim totem
historical medieval times if earth had magic lol
odd sparrow
what is it like
atomic pelican
Cathay was easier since it had almost Nothing other than some vague orientalism
odd sparrow
yeah p much
~vague descriptions of eastern dragons or whatever~ and that's basically it
cerulean wagon
i was kind wondering if "western" humans before sigmar had a messiah figure
before sigmar they worshed a full pantheon
dim totem
is there a big human empire before sigmar?
glad prism
I'm just more surprised they didn't make the carpet riders suicide bombers, honestly
dim totem
kinda like rome?
atomic pelican
Cathay
peak hamlet
historical medieval times if earth had magic lol
Early modern period would be more accurate tho 😳
glad prism
Renaissance onward basically
dim totem
Early modern period would be more accurate tho 😳
im making a broad statement here but yeah
vapid tiger
The Empire is funky since it's simultaneously monotheistic and polytheistic
odd sparrow
before sigmar they worshed a full pantheon
well like, they still do
peak hamlet
im making a broad statement here but yeah
Yee all good
odd sparrow
It's sorta an ancient greece sort of vibe, diff places and cities or whatever may favour a specific god but they all respect the full pantheon
glad prism
Araby mostly existed so their own version of the Crusades could happen
odd sparrow
joyous
vapid tiger
and it has a bunch of Renaissance era cities and medieval villages mixed together and their political system is like the HRE but Marxist thought has explicitly begun to creep in
dim totem
whf has crusades?
barren tapir
Tilea was already kinda civilized by the time of sigmar
odd sparrow
the TW interpretation of it is far better
glad prism
whf has crusades? <:lul:825836255853674540>
Several
odd sparrow
crusade vs undead™️
vapid tiger
whf has crusades? <:lul:825836255853674540>
Bretonnians do em
barren tapir
There are also high elves outpost on the shores of bretonnia
dim totem
yeah i meant a crusade to araby
glad prism
I think its part of how the Knights of the Blazing Sun came to be, during one of those Crusades against Araby
Several versions of crusades
dim totem
as in the same way we had that
barren tapir
Yes
atomic pelican
This is partly why Im a little worried abt Dawnbringer crusades and how they portray them
vapid tiger
Yeah that's why there's bretonnians where araby is in tww
dim totem
neat