40k-lore-chat

[pine cairn]

Man this is cringe

[cursive hull]

Word for word.

[dim totem]

Wait wait wait

@crisp heath what's your opinion on arch?

[cursive hull]

I desperately wish I had the capacity to IP track

[odd sparrow]

hey no

[pine cairn]

I meant you dude 🤣

[odd sparrow]

no discussion of IP grabbing

that's weird

[glad prism]

Slaughtered

[odd sparrow]

yes sir pls click www.thecheapesturlicouldfind.com

[cursive hull]

It'd be one way to find out though.

I'm just brutally curious

[smoky mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-thepruld-faraam-dance-humanity-restored-human-effigy-gif-18427154

[cursive hull]

Like, who goes through so much effort?

[odd sparrow]

Tho who do u even think they are anyways

[vapid tiger]

okay

[cursive hull]

On our account, no less?

[pine cairn]

I don't like AoS as a system or setting but your messages are fucking cringe dude

[vapid tiger]

place your bets

how many minutes until he's banned

[cursive hull]

One of multiple chuds recently banned who had this exact conversation to the letter earlier.

[primal tide]

UhHhHhH

They were a turbo chud

[glad prism]

I love that this essentially both a question and an answer both

[primal tide]

Lol

[odd sparrow]

alright so like, if ur gonna send any concerns to a mod then include full details

[storm jungle]

[tender igloo]

lol no you're not

[storm jungle]

...

we arent shitting on 40k

holy shit

[barren tapir]

Not in my name, and i too dislike aos setting

[storm jungle]

bruh

[glad prism]

We talk shit about stuff we love

[odd sparrow]

kinda do tho

[storm jungle]

^

[pine cairn]

You aren't standing up for shit, your just being a weirdo and having some tirade based on someone's personal opinion 🤣

[tender igloo]

you're one dude who is getting incredibly upsut over the fact that people like AoS over 40k

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/745664902965887076.png?v=1

begone thot

[primal tide]

It's true tho

[glad prism]

If I can shit talk the place I love, it doesn't mean I hate it.

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD

[odd sparrow]

communist gang

[vapid tiger]

oml

[odd sparrow]

we stan marx and sigmar

[storm jungle]

rise up my red friends

[pine cairn]

AoS does have some better models than 40k 🤣

[glad prism]

Y'all

[storm jungle]

get the amerikansky

[glad prism]

C'mere

[primal tide]

Sigmarxism

[cursive hull]

There it goes

[odd sparrow]

We're gonna convert the capitalist populace via AoS

[glad prism]

C'mmunism time

[barren tapir]

I'm left leaning yes

[pine cairn]

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE MODELS YOU CRINGELORD?1?1?

[final spruce]

I mean you don't seem to know much about AOS

[cursive hull]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-no-limit-weird-wtf-cmon-gif-5483812

[storm jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfW1bkPI8Kc

[cursive hull]

See, Sigmarxist was used by another chud

So yes

[pine cairn]

Jeez clear freaking troll account

[glad prism]

Powerpuff Girls is fucking great

[cursive hull]

its Uhhhh

Its an alt

[primal tide]

I welcome you to try big boy

[barren tapir]

Yes, and we will enjoy it probably

[storm jungle]

but okay can we get a mod in here

[odd sparrow]

alright so <@&735928989146939404> there are some other things here but i'm preeeetty sure that counts as threatening death

[barren tapir]

<@&735928989146939404>

[storm jungle]

<@&735928989146939404>

[odd sparrow]

dont spam ping them lol

[pine cairn]

Yep get rid of this twat

[barren tapir]

Oh god

[storm jungle]

christ LOL

[barren tapir]

It is him!

It is him!!

[storm jungle]

johnny rico you bastard

[odd sparrow]

oh yeah i think i do recognize this one

[storm jungle]

we'll get you for this

[primal tide]

Omfao

[glad prism]

Ethnostate talking points coming up

[cursive hull]

Get a fucking life dude

[primal tide]

https://tenor.com/view/face-mask-mask-off-reveal-gif-12882770

[cursive hull]

Like, we're not offended by you

[visual pumice]

Mask off

[cursive hull]

You're just sad

We pity you

[barren tapir]

I didn't saw your

[cursive hull]

Go outside

[vapid tiger]

oml

[cursive hull]

Please touch grass

[storm jungle]

Why do we get so many of these peopşe

[cold mango]

hello, so

what was that

[pine cairn]

Man if it is an alt, I'm saving that threat for the server I'm in that has medic still there 🤣

[vapid tiger]

nah

[storm jungle]

some guy saying we're communists for liking AOS

[odd sparrow]

Basically it seems like an alt of a previously banned weirdo

[storm jungle]

and saying the imperium will rise in like 10 years

[smoky mauve]

I dont know kaelus, but please make it stop lmao

[cold mango]

lmfao

[primal tide]

And threatened to kill me or sth

[cold mango]

jesus christ

[odd sparrow]

This is fine™️

[storm jungle]

save us m'lord

[barren tapir]

Wonder if it was uhhh or jhonny, or maybe even jhon

[vapid tiger]

"Solitary confinement"

[glad prism]

All of us it seems

[cold mango]

I'll have a chat with him just in case

[storm jungle]

oh god

[vapid tiger]

Huh

[storm jungle]

good luck

[odd sparrow]

thank

[pine cairn]

And he's out of here 🤣

[storm jungle]

[odd sparrow]

Try not to lose ur sanity

[vapid tiger]

Thank you

[final spruce]

Damn third day, thrid time in a row

Do we get a bonsua fter a straight week ?

[vapid tiger]

I was gonna make him seethe though and point out that most clubs would ban him

[smoky mauve]

Man who spends their weekends coming up with this?

[glad prism]

Where is everyone with their bingo cards today?

[vapid tiger]

We should make a bingo for this

[barren tapir]

Wondering what the interrogation from Kaelus will bring

[vapid tiger]

streamline the identification process

[storm jungle]

[visual pumice]

We all get banned

[storm jungle]

Like, you see these sorts of people in memes

[pine cairn]

He'll probably not respond

[storm jungle]

i never expected this to be reality

[cursive hull]

Someone very lonely

Has one

SOmewhere

[visual pumice]

He gets the flood gravemind treatment and starts to agree with him

[vapid tiger]

Logic Plague infects Kaelus

[barren tapir]

Kaelus is strong, i trust him

[vapid tiger]

I wonder how the chat is going

[smoky mauve]

I'm just glad I could use the bait gif from mad max fury road. That entire movie is a gift, but that one scene stands out for good memeing

[final spruce]

Alreayd ahve

[pine cairn]

I tend to just lurk here but man that was funny

[vapid tiger]

YES

[glad prism]

I've seen the bingo card

[barren tapir]

It seems that the last few days were a rollercoaster with these kind of people

[glad prism]

Just a matter of where everyone got to now having been here for as long as they have

[vapid tiger]

part of me wonders if whether it's one guy with alts, or just straight up a weird situation where multiple guys come in and say the same shit over and over

and regurgitate the worst takes in the fandom

or both

[cursive hull]

It could definitely be both

[visual pumice]

People will see the channel now cause it’s official

[glad prism]

Whichever the case, be it mutually exclusive or not, they orbit the same places and get their wildly bad takes from it

[barren tapir]

The last one sounded a lot like uhhh

[smoky mauve]

I mean that saying with monkeys and typewriters means it can go a long long way before we reach Shakespeare lmao

[glad prism]

Lord knows which corners of reddot, 4Chan or Arch's fanbase these guys come from

[cursive hull]

Like the "news" channel that shalt not be named.

[glad prism]

But its an enormous gravity well

[smoky mauve]

I was gonna say because gravity wells suck... but they pull more than actual sucking

[vapid tiger]

it's a video game discord and a 40k discord

maybe we're attracting the worst kinds of people from that sort of combination over and over

[smoky mauve]

Theres probabaly a venn diagram of this somewhere

[odd tulip]

Did something dumb happen again?

[pine cairn]

It's the Internet

It happens

[barren tapir]

Yes, but Kaelus already managed that

[odd tulip]

sick

[barren tapir]

You can scroll up to see what

The messages are still there

[obtuse vault]

@storm jungle

[odd sparrow]

tl;dr alt-looking dude going all smthn smthn ethnostate smthn smthn communists aboout age of sigmar

[barren tapir]

Something something about a storm that was coming and getting the imperium in 10 years

Also him threatening to kill every sigmarxist he found

[cursive hull]

I have some theories

[vapid tiger]

@cold mango How's the chat

[cerulean wagon]

we gettin them giggabrains

[vapid tiger]

I wanna see what's going on in therre

[visual pumice]

Game theories?

[odd tulip]

Kaelus and I had a chat with him in solitary. Kid was dumber than a box of rocks.

[barren tapir]

Lol

[primal tide]

Hell yeah

[vapid tiger]

How dumb

[barren tapir]

So, it was uhhh?

[cursive hull]

A:) He probably couldn't kill a fly, even if he tried his hardest he's so incompetent and out of shape.

B.) He's probably deeply intimidated by actual communists.

[vapid tiger]

I've seen something weird in some places

[barren tapir]

I mean, he used exactly the same words that uhhh used

[odd tulip]

We told him to stop gatekeeping, he posted an arch video about why gatekeeping is good. Kaeulus gave him the ban hammer so fast I blinked and he was gone

[cerulean wagon]

probably an ult of uhhhhh

[cursive hull]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[barren tapir]

It was uhhhh

[vapid tiger]

Some chuds have a communist dom fetish. I shit you not. They obsess over them and then talk about how much they want a "communist dom gf" or whatever. So this guy could've just been projecting a weird fetish

Someone sent me screenshots a while asgo

[barren tapir]

He sent an arch video but answered with "who" when asked if he knew who arch was

[vapid tiger]

ago*

[primal tide]

And he had the gall to pretend to not know who arch was when we asked him lmao

[visual pumice]

Brilliant

[vapid tiger]

lmao

[smoky mauve]

God. I had a feeling when they said something about "a lot of videos on youtube"

[visual pumice]

Tell me that’s on the bingo?

[barren tapir]

Yes

[cold mango]

I didn't even know it was an arch video

as soon as Gawain said "You're gatekeeping" and he said "And?" I was reaching for the ban button

[cursive hull]

Anytime anyone uses Arch definitely fits my other theories.

Arch is the typical fashy-chud

He's physically incompetent and feels desperately intimidated by anyone who can lift about ten pounds.

[obtuse vault]

THIS IS WHAT SENT HIM OUT

[odd sparrow]

it's the typical intimidated by ppl they hate vibe. It's hilarious to see

[cursive hull]

So, yes

Anyone who aligns with Arch? Not worthy of this Fandom... And that's saying a lot.

[odd sparrow]

nazis aren't entirely optimal

[peak hamlet]

Lmfao

[odd sparrow]

u know like, it's not the play

[pine cairn]

Don't remember the gatekeeping Arch vid, did watch the OC one though

[atomic pelican]

The daily ban occurence

[vapid tiger]

arch is a lolcow

[barren tapir]

Wondering when the next uhhh alt will arrive

[visual pumice]

The daily ban incidents of july 2021

[barren tapir]

Hoping to get that too

[pine cairn]

I'm guessing "uhhh" was someone else who got banned?

[barren tapir]

Yes

One that used exactly the same words you saw used by that frog guy

[smoky mauve]

Yeeep

[pine cairn]

His name was uhhh..... that says a lot

[vapid tiger]

It's a genuine dilemma on whether his channels should be deleted outright or whether he should stay just because he's such a lolcow

[atomic pelican]

24 hrs remain

[odd tulip]

This is only going to get worse the closer we get to release btw. Daily will turn into twice a day, then thrice, and so on and so forth

[storm jungle]

^

[atomic pelican]

Yee

[storm jungle]

the first attack wave is kriegsman

then we get the chuds

its gonna be rough

https://tenor.com/view/ninjapanda-panda-take-cover-smart-under-cover-gif-4895489

[atomic pelican]

The worst of 40k shall be dredged up

[cursive hull]

Given what happens with some of them?

Should be hard deleted and forgotten.

[barren tapir]

But we will hold the line

[vapid tiger]

yeah fair

[odd tulip]

Were I the sole dictator of this server I'd make shovel memes bannable

but lo, hedge is a better man than I

[barren tapir]

With popcorns in one hand and laughs in our mouths

[vapid tiger]

especially given that he once made a video justifying the mosque shooter from a while ago

[primal tide]

Based mods

[pine cairn]

It's not all bad, gives us a laugh when these people turn up 🤣

[cursive hull]

Okay, that, I didn't know, I unsubscribed from him once he went mask off

But jesus

You go that fucking hard?

Yeah, no

[vapid tiger]

I learned about it years after i unsubbed

[cursive hull]

You get your socializing license revoked for less than that in some countries.

[vapid tiger]

He goes on about how the guy had "legitimate reasons" to shoot up a mosque but "went overboard"

[pine cairn]

Yeah Arch made some very poor choices 🤣

[vapid tiger]

like wtf

[cerulean wagon]

if only

[slow prawn]

Btw everyone. Medic is now whinging about how you all treated him in the IW server

[cerulean wagon]

[odd sparrow]

i remember watching arch aages ago way before he like

[cerulean wagon]

iw?

[odd sparrow]

totally went off the rails

[storm jungle]

Salt Within. Salt Without.

[prisma lark]

I don't even know who... or what... Arch is, and at this point I'm pretty sure I don't want to know

[storm jungle]

iron warriors

[pine cairn]

He hasn't mentioned anything in the DA server yet

[vapid tiger]

the what server

[pine cairn]

Must be doing the rounds

[cerulean wagon]

ofc hes an iw fan

[slow prawn]

Iron Warriors

[storm jungle]

its for the relics

[cursive hull]

Your life is genuinely improved by not knowing

Do not learn

[cerulean wagon]

ah yes, the relics

🍆

[storm jungle]

[atomic pelican]

Lets all join

[vapid tiger]

mister "chapters are only interesting if they have traitor geneseed" is an iw fan?

[odd sparrow]

warhammer loretuber and part time nazi

[vapid tiger]

shit

[odd sparrow]

u know like

[atomic pelican]

Chasing his ass

[vapid tiger]

who would've thought

[storm jungle]

i gotta post this again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781260139009015808/860290291683688458/final_60de39b13a434900bf960522_347026.mp4

[cursive hull]

Part time?

Arch is full time nazi

If anything he's part time lore poster

[odd sparrow]

the whole yeah i know u shouldn't kill minorities buuuut

that vibe

[primal tide]

😩

[odd tulip]

Oh, medic left

[pine cairn]

Once Arch went a certain direction I stopped watching any of his stuff, whilst some things weren't wrong as far as 40k went he was just a that about most things

[odd tulip]

thats kinda sad

[atomic pelican]

No it aint

[cursive hull]

His content is literally just bashing anyone who isn't so white they're transparent and so straight they don't sleep with the opposite sex out of fear of becoming homosexual.

THat's what Arch is

Primarily.

[vapid tiger]

i kinda liked medic but he was also kinda whack

[odd sparrow]

Joyous

[vapid tiger]

at least he is not the uh

[barren tapir]

Me too?

[slow prawn]

Probably, knowing him

[odd tulip]

I mean, I never got why you guys hated him so much. A little passive aggressive sure, but he wasn't anything like the other guys who occasionally stroll through here

[vapid tiger]

the worst fucking 40k fan i've ever seen exists in the tabletop sim server

he lurks in the lore section

do not go there

[cursive hull]

Very few of us really hated Medic

[pine cairn]

Medic is manageable in the DA server

[odd sparrow]

pardon me

arch what's going on

[vapid tiger]

or else you will see endless tirades about tau needing to be retconned and black templars being "based"

[cursive hull]

He was just sanctimonious

[primal tide]

I don't like people that argue in bad faith

Simple as

[barren tapir]

I mean, the first interaction i had with him he wasn't really kind to me, but then, after i reciprocate, we found a common ground

[pine cairn]

Any discussion with him is definitely tiring

[cursive hull]

^

[odd sparrow]

i dont mind medic tbh, he just gets too into the arguments is all

I hope he's like, doing alrightish mentally

[vapid tiger]

^

[cursive hull]

He literally tries to just...

[visual pumice]

He got the early access and the devs had to apologise and dissociate

[cursive hull]

You know

[odd sparrow]

lmao

[vapid tiger]

Medic's fine

[cursive hull]

Use some sort of prybar to win

[cerulean wagon]

i dislike him because he went out of his way to interdict on any coversation i had to disagree with me or discredit things i say with unrelated information just because i proved him wrong in a discussion once

[odd sparrow]

Okay good i might actually look into the smut game if they're willing to disassociate from arch

[cursive hull]

That's what Medics problem was.

[odd sparrow]

otherwise that would be an anti advertisement

[barren tapir]

I didn't had any problems with him

[cursive hull]

Also

I feel like... You have to do that with Arch?

[vapid tiger]

bad news

[odd tulip]

The only argument I got into with medic he immediately kowtowed to me, so I think perhaps I was treated differently than you guys because of my position.

[vapid tiger]

they reversed the disassociation

[odd sparrow]

oh

nvm

[visual pumice]

Oh

Well

[cursive hull]

If it ain't missionary with a brainless "Trad wife.", I feel like Arch would call it a communist plot to make us all gay

[slow prawn]

You absolutely were. Anyone who tries to argue with him he says they’re “harassing him”

[cerulean wagon]

its not even good smut

[odd sparrow]

tbh the name being subverse doesn't exactly inspire confidence

[visual pumice]

I don’t get smut games

Just go find porn

[cursive hull]

I do.

But only the text based ones

[barren tapir]

I managed to discuss with him normally

[visual pumice]

Fair

[odd sparrow]

Yeah like, the ones that are like visual novels are the best

[vapid tiger]

just watch porn

[visual pumice]

Huniepop

[cursive hull]

Most of them are garbage.

Some of them just let you do whatever.

[visual pumice]

Teaching me how women work

[odd sparrow]

it's basically just the same as a smut novel

[cursive hull]

But interactive

[odd sparrow]

except ~interactive~ ye

[slow prawn]

I suppose I should have clarified. Anyone who disagrees with him is bad

[cursive hull]

Also yeah

[odd tulip]

Anyways, for future reference guys, you can petition people to be banned for just being unlikable. Some of the older shit posters here (like @cerulean wagon ) will remember grimbloop, who got banned because about 100 people told Incan and I that he was an unlikable bastard

[cursive hull]

Medic sort of always did an "Us or them" mentality.

[vapid tiger]

he got really up in arms about blood ravens that one time

[visual pumice]

Based

[cerulean wagon]

[cursive hull]

"So you mean _____" was basically Medic's thing

And I hate that

No, I mean what I said to you dude

Don't put words in my mouth

[cerulean wagon]

but also as a side thing please dont dogpile

[atomic pelican]

Kill

Seek

Destroy

[vapid tiger]

but what if it's a chud

[slow prawn]

A reason why the Minotaurs are actually IW are because both of their chapter logos are pointy. That was literally a reason he gave, without irony

[odd tulip]

I expect people to use some judgement and common decency when making opinions of people.

[barren tapir]

I managed to disagree with Medic and then we simply ended the discussion tbh...

[cursive hull]

Either way though. I didn't hate Medic.

He just argued in bad faith.

[cerulean wagon]

like every discussion i had with him turning into "buT yUo oNLy lIke CadIAns

[cursive hull]

Yeah

Had he just

You know

Chilled?

[vapid tiger]

the reason minotaurs are iw is because it's heavily implied in stuff like the Watchers of the Throne series but "because symbols" doesn't work unless it's like

[cursive hull]

I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it

[vapid tiger]

The Brotherhood of a Thousand

who have the pre-magnus logo of the thousand sons legion as their chapter sigil

[slow prawn]

Definitely. But like, come on, the logos both being skulls?!

[cerulean wagon]

id like to think im relativley imparshle

[vapid tiger]

or those salamander successors who have the word bearers symbol

[cerulean wagon]

and when im bias i say so

[pine cairn]

Chapter icons shouldn't be taken as any evidence

Only so many logos you can make for 1000+ chapters

[vapid tiger]

in 99% of cases yes

but look at this

[atomic pelican]

Did you see him start to complain abt the new krieg models?

Discord pls

[glad prism]

I like to imagine it's a deliberate thing to throw people up in arms when it's just GW pulling their legs about some new chapter that just shares an emblem or colour scheme

[vapid tiger]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Covenant_of_Fire

they're fucking word bearers

[glad prism]

It's just so inconsequential in the grand scheme of things it feels unnecessary

[vapid tiger]

it's so on the nose from their lore

[cerulean wagon]

i didnt, no

[atomic pelican]

God

[vapid tiger]

"The Covenant of Fire eagerly embraced it, and swiftly applying the wisdom of their gene-sire Vulkan. As a Chapter, the Covenant of Fire crave knowledge of the Imperium they fight for and seek out lore wherever they can find it. In doing so, the Chapter hopes that this information can help them bring light to darkness. Conversely, they purge any sign of heretical material they find, knowing that its knowledge is a false light that leads only to ruin."

[storm jungle]

🏅

[odd sparrow]

,, what did he have to complain about

[atomic pelican]

He realized regiments werent actually being retconned, so starter complaining abt new krieg

[pine cairn]

The symbol is the same but they don't appear to have any predisposition to radicalisation and reverence that word bearers did

[vapid tiger]

They behave exactly like the Imperial Heralds

[atomic pelican]

Because they had medals

[slow prawn]

Their rounded shoulder armor

[odd sparrow]

,,

[atomic pelican]

And their shoulders werw rounded

[vapid tiger]

they were instantly radicalized by the promethean cult

[odd sparrow]

oh no the design being slightly changed going into plastic

D:

[visual pumice]

The plastic krieg are hot

[primal tide]

Good god

[visual pumice]

End of

[slow prawn]

That means they’re becoming Chadians!

[atomic pelican]

Muh Cadians

[pine cairn]

Craving knowledge and lore is more thousand son related

[slow prawn]

Oh god that autocorrect

[odd sparrow]

yeah idk. i highkey dont wanna be too rough on medic cus i get that he's just like, getting way too into arguments and stuff, but also aaaaaa

[slow prawn]

I meant Cadians

[storm jungle]

HE BROUGT UP CADIANS TOO

[glad prism]

You made many people happy and upset with that typo, it was bound to happen

[vapid tiger]

It's too on the nose

[atomic pelican]

Smh cant believe theyre turning everyone cadian by releasing krieg

[vapid tiger]

They're like the uhhhhh

What are those guys called

Sons of the Phoenix

[glad prism]

I know the reasoning and all that, it still doesn't read particularly traitorous to me, you know?

Like, not necessarily

[vapid tiger]

Where it's way too on the nose to not be a coincidence

[vapid tiger]

I mean just because a chapter has traitor geneseed doesn't mean they'll turn traitor

Genetic determinism is cringe

[glad prism]

That's not what I meant

[pine cairn]

The icon is the only resemblance I'm seeing tbh

[barren tapir]

Tell that to big G

[glad prism]

I worded it poorly, but I mean it doesn't read particularly like it's solely reminiscent of traitor legions, irrespective of loyalties

[vapid tiger]

Yeah that's fair

[pine cairn]

Radicalisation to the promethean cult is just a Salamander thing

[vapid tiger]

I think it's pretty on the nose but like the sons of the phoenix it's left ambigious enough that it could go either way

Which is definitely gw's intention

[cerulean wagon]

its almost like they are doing the thing i said they were doing when he complained last

shock horror

[atomic pelican]

[pine cairn]

GW have a knack for both being ambiguous with details and then I the next book having no creative backbone at all 🤣

Like the DA successor "the unnamed"

[vapid tiger]

Yep

[pine cairn]

Like come on GW, actually try next time

[storm jungle]

Writers cost money

look its hard writing like a single text box ok

their hands hurt

[pine cairn]

GW writers don't deserve money some times 🤣

[vapid tiger]

okay that's a bad take

[storm jungle]

I'd say JUST a bit

some of the shit they write is genuinely terrible but its like 1%

most of the time its good stuff

okay maybe like 9%

[final spruce]

You know what

Atleast he aknowledged the Aos sales

[pine cairn]

I did say some times

[final spruce]

He was only 99% bad

[cerulean wagon]

They have redeemed themselves a little with these new krieg models

[storm jungle]

I love how instantly he went around that btw

"oh nvm"

[cerulean wagon]

[barren tapir]

Still thinking about that guy eh?

[pine cairn]

And I 100% meant it, some of the writing is absolutely awful

[tender igloo]

for your consideration

[storm jungle]

the rockets on the rotors still get me

[final spruce]

Nah GW is currently, mini wise for 40k doing amazing

[storm jungle]

yeah AOS just has more spectacle

[tender igloo]

no marines will do that

[storm jungle]

im sure the sales are mostly matching

[final spruce]

I hope the sales are tbh

[pine cairn]

Aside from some of the marine releases the 40k stuff has been all round solid

[tender igloo]

and i love space marines

[final spruce]

So GW realises redoing entire armies is the way to go

[tender igloo]

but they need a rest

[storm jungle]

yeah the only genuinely shit model i hate on marines is that fucking ATV

AAA-

otherwise they're good

[final spruce]

Those orks tho

[pine cairn]

Actually some sisters newest releases were a miss imo but it's all subjective

[final spruce]

Damn

[storm jungle]

I kinda agree

those warsuits are ehhh

[final spruce]

If I didn't play IG i'd have made an ork army

[pine cairn]

ATV, Judicar, hammerfest and the turret

All 4 terrible models imo

[final spruce]

Yeah fortifications are a miss

[cerulean wagon]

imma split the KT box with a friend

[cerulean wagon]

krieg army time

[pine cairn]

The warsuits and the chaplain lady are awful

[final spruce]

Ah so you've also chosen the krieg route Skelly

[tender igloo]

i love my little mario kart

[cerulean wagon]

most likely ye

they are just better looking guard now

[final spruce]

Indeed

[atomic pelican]

Elf and I are getting it too, Elf wants to paint the kriegers in rich french blue and red

And I want My Kommandoz

[pine cairn]

Better looking but bad rules last I looked for kreig

[cerulean wagon]

krieg n ig still running 8e prettt much so yeah

one day

[pine cairn]

Even by 8e guard kreig rules seemed just bad

[storm jungle]

bastard

I'll get you for this

you and your marine driver whos head is gonna melt

[cerulean wagon]

krieg are just a side grade to standard guard

they arent bad but they arent better

its an aesthetic choice pmuch, might still run them with valhallan or cadian regimebt rules tho

[smoky mauve]

There are no good or bad regiments, there is only bodies and hands to hold lasguns

[final spruce]

Yeah the older rules were pretty good for krieg

Too bad they had to kill them before burrying them in legends

The horses are amazing however

I've seen played alot in competitive

[runic wharf]

When can i finally jave harkoni models

[cerulean wagon]

if krieg does well id imagine plastic other regiments will follow

[smoky mauve]

What was that one jump regiment? That looked futuristic but practical?

In their debute IA book they were nommed by the nids

[storm jungle]

oof

theres Elyisans and Harakoni

uhh 2 sec

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/79/Harakon_Warhawk_mission2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20130222023604

[barren tapir]

Nommed by nids? That sound elysians

[storm jungle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/81/Elysian_Drop_Troops_grav-chute.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20130208202145

[smoky mauve]

Ahh right it was the elysians

[final spruce]

B-but cadians colors !!!!!!!!!!!!

[storm jungle]

Canadia is after all yall

[smoky mauve]

Lmao. I liked their drop capable vehicles. Too bad it was all forge

World

[cerulean wagon]

i love the fact ur now just

using that

[final spruce]

Lmao

You got an emote for it ?

Amazing

[storm jungle]

yeah i never used it since he was always here

though ill still refrain since just shit-talking behind his back too much would be bad

text does just fine

[final spruce]

You say that but literally the first thing you did when he left was posting that video

[cerulean wagon]

lmao

[storm jungle]

look

i wasted an entire hour o nthat

[cerulean wagon]

hes been shittalkin elsewhere so its fine

[storm jungle]

someones gotta see it

also true

[final spruce]

And I imagine its another server he shares with you Dilara ?

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes like uh

in almost every space marine chapter server

mostly to oogle relics and successors

[final spruce]

I imagine he is like that everywhere ?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yep

He already got kicked from the Imperial fists, sisters server

[final spruce]

The man must be either worshipped or hated in the DA server tho

[storm jungle]

Hes ignored

he was havign an argument here again and just went to the general chat

asking if anyone can come over and help him

the admin just tagged him with a "no" then everyone just ignored him

[final spruce]

I guess the Dorn lovers were annoyed

I wonder how many building engineers they got

[storm jungle]

Yeah he pretty much pulls what he does here everywhere

then asks why people hate him

[cursive hull]

I feel like the sons of Dorn are good people for the most part.

So I'm not surprised.

[runic wharf]

I wish i was in the if servers

[plucky moth]

pretty fly for a white guy

[crisp heath]

AH HUH AH HUH

[primal tide]

When your goal posts are not fortified sufficiently

[final spruce]

I hate too much painting yellow even with a airbrush to even try

[primal tide]

Yellow is pain

[runic wharf]

And the rg

Im red green colour blind so i see alot more yellow then yall

Fuckin love painting yellow

[plucky moth]

wait what?

I just woke up so I'm catching up on everything

saw someone got banned

[barren tapir]

Medic left the server

[atomic pelican]

Medic elimmed

[barren tapir]

An uhh alt was banned

[atomic pelican]

Some other moron vanned

The daily moron

[plucky moth]

lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically was just

[plucky moth]

sad

[storm jungle]

aos is gay

[cursive hull]

And

[storm jungle]

you're all communists

[pine cairn]

Who we on about now?

[storm jungle]

etc

[cursive hull]

Sigmarxists

[plucky moth]

I mean AoS is gay and I'm 100% here for it

[storm jungle]

Just updating incan

[pine cairn]

Ohhh right

[storm jungle]

But really incan nothing important

[plucky moth]

I'd bone nagash, that's all I'm saying

[storm jungle]

you can ask Gaw for an update if you want

[cursive hull]

This can be taken multiple ways

[runic wharf]

I love it when people have no idea what a communist and then reee about communism

[cursive hull]

And I fucking hate it

[pine cairn]

Who wouldn't 🤷‍♂️

[cursive hull]

God damn it Incan, you kill me every time

[plucky moth]

TRU

[storm jungle]

his puns are deadly

[pine cairn]

Atleast the sigmarxist guy was a good laugh to watch be an idiot 🤣

[crisp heath]

Did someone say AoS?

[runic wharf]

This made me spit out my drink

[final spruce]

• Hahah age of shitmar is getting squatted
• ait whut why they making 70% of GW sales ?

[pine cairn]

I do like the name "age of shitmar" might use that myself

[plucky moth]

also rip Medic

I tried

[crisp heath]

I don't like Sigmar but I do like Stormcast

[primal tide]

Anyone who unironically says "sigmarines" should get auto-banned imo

[pine cairn]

The new stormcasts look good, previous ones were just wannabe space marines

[plucky moth]

I'm just here for kangaroo elves

[tender igloo]

vampires baybee

[pine cairn]

It's an apt assessment of the models 🤣

[storm jungle]

yeah stormcasts are just marines in appearance but everything else is different

[atomic pelican]

Autobanned

[crisp heath]

They did have a similar appearance and narrative rile

[storm jungle]

like how they can actually fuck

[primal tide]

Not really

[storm jungle]

Gonna get "Black Library Erotica" soon lads

[atomic pelican]

Finally

[storm jungle]

i can smell my amazonians

[crisp heath]

Ye my stormhost is based around they fact that they can have romantic relationships

[primal tide]

At last

[storm jungle]

Age of Sexmar

[glad prism]

This is the rapture we've been waiting for

[runic wharf]

So hey lore question have nids and tau had any major drawn out conflicts

[primal tide]

Age of sugmar

[crisp heath]

Some do be Plutonic life partners tho

[storm jungle]

yeeee

like old greece

very gay

[pine cairn]

Overly proportioned humans with full armour suits along with oversized pauldrons

[storm jungle]

very productive

[atomic pelican]

Ye nids and tau have

[storm jungle]

very killy

[atomic pelican]

P big ones actually

[pine cairn]

Basically marines without electricity

[crisp heath]

They have lightning

Thats their whole motiff

[glad prism]

Named storm and not have anything to do with electricity?

[runic wharf]

Age of swagmar

[runic wharf]

Hit me wit da lore

[smoky mauve]

So you could say theres a spark between them?

[cursive hull]

Quite a few actually

[primal tide]

That's why I said not really, cuz that's all they got in common

[glad prism]

Would he fun

[cursive hull]

...Wasn't uh...

Fuck, what was it

[pine cairn]

Electrically powered suits is my meaning

[atomic pelican]

Hivefleet gorgon namely

[crisp heath]

Gonna steal this

[atomic pelican]

I believe

[cursive hull]

The name starts with a D...

The T'au allied with the Imperium for a short stint to fight the 'Nids

[crisp heath]

Damnos?

[cursive hull]

SOmething like that

[pine cairn]

What else is there to compare aesthetically?

[crisp heath]

Damocles

[cursive hull]

Yes

There it is

Damocles crusade, I think.

[runic wharf]

I just dont like tau so i skip over alot of that lore

[primal tide]

What's inside the suit, for one thing 👀

[pine cairn]

Tau have a very mixed bag lore wise

[tender igloo]

i will say that painting the banner for the blood knight cavalry is a pain

i hated doing that part

[glad prism]

Down astronomically

[pine cairn]

Not very relevant when on about aesthetics 🤣 and last I checked aren't they also basically super soldiers?

[barren tapir]

Tau allied with IG to fight gorgon hive fleet

[cursive hull]

Well, the T'au and the Imperium commonly ally to fight the 'Nids

So... At least for Imperial history?

[runic wharf]

I know that

But even then you can skip alot of the involvement they have

The only thing i like about tau is the kroot

[cursive hull]

I like the mechs, and the comparison between them and the Imps.

They're fun, but not fun enough to beat out my favorites.

[storm jungle]

40k pretty much almost has every mech type too

https://youtu.be/0EZy3UyfPwU?t=28

[cursive hull]

Yeah, this is true.

[vapid tiger]

I like the dreadnought with the jump pack

It's so silly

[plucky moth]

oh shit I missed the memes

ahem

Sigmar Male

[glad prism]

Its about damn time

[vapid tiger]

sugmar

[storm jungle]

why did you post that naught

cursed

i hope the nids ate all the models of it

[vapid tiger]

Don't make fun of him

Dreadnoughts can fly too

[glad prism]

Don't let your memes be dreams

[cursive hull]

Anyway.

I like T'au aesthetics.

But I like Imperial aesthetics more when it comes to vehicles and walkers.

But I like Ad Mech best.

[odd sparrow]

i like tau aesthetics best but also i suck at painting them

if anyone can come up with a tau scheme that doesn't requite clean flat colours and good highlighting hit me up

[cursive hull]

lol

[crisp heath]

Necron aesthetics > everyone else

[cursive hull]

I will admit, the Necron's ain't half bad.

Especially with the right color scheme and a shit ton of air brushing

[cerulean wagon]

i'll prob do grimmy tau at some point

i'll let you know how it go

[odd sparrow]

nods

Would appreciate

im thinking maybe just like, idk some camo-y brown or green vibe with super rough highlighting like the paint is being chipped away

[cerulean wagon]

like

id love to do black/blue

but green/brown easier

[cursive hull]

if I had T'au? I'd do them up in Digital Camo

It suits them well

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/585da712e4fcb5ea12458295/1536098264882-IARN8ADBYTH57QM6C066/Tau_Ghostkeel_2.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/06/bd/0206bd1c809bf582d33a0fb79c57fd81.jpg

https://i.redd.it/n2pn45a6snw51.jpg

Like

Isn't that perfectly T'au?

Because, you know

[final spruce]

Well Taus are def the guys I'd expect to use actual tactical camo with IG

Because they aren't grimdank

[cursive hull]

Its sensible and the Imperium hates sensibility.

...Except the Tanith First, apparently.

[final spruce]

Nah the IG is pretty down to earth

[cursive hull]

Depends, Regiment to Regiment.

[odd sparrow]

yeah the digital camo aesthetic works really well for tau

[cursive hull]

Cadians use earth tones anyway

[odd sparrow]

unfortunately it's just like, difficult in general

[cursive hull]

It is.

And I'd die trying to do it

But its how I'd like it done if I did it, lol.

[odd sparrow]

i can respect it tbh

[cursive hull]

But yeah, for IG, depends on the regiment.

Some are sensible, others aren't sensible on purpose.

Like, I mentioned them before, but Mordian Guard. They fight in line formation.

[cerulean wagon]

i do agree digi looks great but like

effort

also it depends on your regiment

guard can be literaly w/e

[cursive hull]

This is true

https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Mordian-Iron-Guard-formation.jpg But it still makes me laugh to think the Mordians haven't all died out already.

[cerulean wagon]

i do prefer peoples more grounded interpretations tho

[cursive hull]

The guard do kinda get to be that way, yeah.

[cerulean wagon]

its cause art shows them standing in the open, but in books mordians are like

masters of defensive warfare

kill zones and trench lines

[cursive hull]

...I think the Mordians were in a Ghost's book once?

They were actual heavy infantry

[scarlet plank]

I forgot the Mordians were a thing in 40k, ngl

[cursive hull]

Like, using cover intelligently and holding the line more because of good discipline, training, and lots of carapace armor.

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

the uniform for mordia isnt just a uniform

its got inlayer armour

[scarlet plank]

Only guardsmen regiments I can't help but think of when I think of IG are the Death Korps, the Cadians, and those guys with opera masks.

[cursive hull]

The Jannissaries you mean?

The Emperor Botherers?

[errant mauve]

Maccabian moment

[cerulean wagon]

the jannissaries

[glad prism]

Janissaries be best

[plucky moth]

based

[cerulean wagon]

maccabian janissaries

[errant mauve]

Ventrillian Nobles are my favourite guard regiment

[errant mauve]

Bribing their way to glory 😎

[cursive hull]

If I had to pick...

I'm probably vanilla in going with the Steel Legion.

Or any other mobility warfare focused faction.

Like. I feel like the Steel Legion are one of the big name ones people pick out of the bunch like the Kriegers are.

[odd sparrow]

praetorian master race ❤️

idek anything about them i just watched zulu a lot as a kid

[cursive hull]

In fairness

...That kinda gives you all you need to know about the Praetorians

[odd sparrow]

eloihg

[pine cairn]

I saw Spikey bits before the photo loaded and nearly threw up

[cursive hull]

Also.

Some mad man needs to animate the entire Rorke's Drift movie but with Praetorians and Kroot or Orks or something.

God I hope this link doesn't spazz out

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f9180655-878f-452d-a381-22f4d13a10e0/ddxgzq3-1bede8a3-2584-4e35-b380-d00af7675bd7.png/v1/fill/w_1280,h_960,q_80,strp/steel_legion_storm_troopers_by_wolfdog_artcorner_ddxgzq3-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9OTYwIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZjkxODA2NTUtODc4Zi00NTJkLWEzODEtMjJmNGQxM2ExMGUwXC9kZHhnenEzLTFiZWRlOGEzLTI1ODQtNGUzNS1iMzgwLWQwMGFmNzY3NWJkNy5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTI4MCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.Jak5dK-IFdKslmOeI1uOE8oTXtxbm83X7mb5QJPCvY8

Thank god

But yeah, a neat interpretation of the Legion.

[odd sparrow]

steel legion is v nice ye

I love the like, whole vibe of armageddon

[weak fern]

I like them

[cerulean wagon]

ww2 with lasers is a great vibe

[cursive hull]

Their doctrine makes me happy because its sensible.

And easy to follow, I suppose.

[weak fern]

I make a lot of time to search what faction i want to main, and i get it : Mechanicus and Imperial Guard

[barren tapir]

That would be the same conclusion for me

[cursive hull]

Yeah, pretty much.

Ad Mech and IG

With a bit of Space marine, but only a little.

[cerulean wagon]

I main IG and i like the like

smaller scale admech

although

eldar are swag

[cursive hull]

If Eldar got an actual kit upgrade before I die, I'd be down for them.

[odd sparrow]

knocks on wood

[weak fern]

I got a little bit of space Marine (Iron Hand and and Iron Warrior) and a bit of Sista, but, IG and AdMech ❤️

[cursive hull]

I still want, in the live action Eisenhorn series they're making, for a Kastelan to be walking into a wall in the background somewhere.

Bonus points if it makes Source engine collision noises while doing it

[storm jungle]

1 sec fam GW's got u

https://i.redd.it/8uo58wukvu451.jpg

[crisp heath]

Cursed

But actually not bad

[cursive hull]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m21mk8SN0N1rn95k2o1_400.gif

[final spruce]

[smoky mauve]

It... has been age since I saw that musical lmao

[pine cairn]

That is definitely a cursed image

[pliant sail]

https://youtu.be/JZaiD4qqpLE

[grand minnow]

Hey, aparently orks made robots of the other races, what happened to them?

[storm jungle]

oh my god

[grand minnow]

Aparently they made them to mock their enemies and they find it funny

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tinboyz

[storm jungle]

tbh with a few new models it wouldnt be out of question

and would be cruel af in general if they're still alive people in there lol

[grand minnow]

I like the idea they keep them as sparring post or mabey just pin a few on a warttrak

[storm jungle]

its all pranks we swear

[grand minnow]

Put em on some fortifications or something, i just wanna see what theyd do to update them

[final spruce]

Canny, for orks. As if realising their untenable position, the orks had tainted the food and drink
reserves in the last few days of their occupation.

I forgot about that part

[coarse mirage]

Tip: Dont listen to chapter 22, Mountain of Flesh, of Godblight, when you're eating

[final spruce]

Oh no

“Use channel Kappa,” said Gaunt, “with channel Sigma in reserve.

[cerulean wagon]

Ye thats just phonetics

[final spruce]

I know

[vast frigate]

wolfdawg is great

i want to comission them but im scared

[storm jungle]

He seems like a cool nerd tbh

give it a shot

if he just shoots you down eh was worth the try

[cerulean wagon]

he does neat stuff but i think i'd get comissions elsewhere just for aesthetic preference

[storm jungle]

Yeah his aesthetics has always been iffy for me too

but still makes great content 👌

[cerulean wagon]

ye its good content

i just get uhhh

i wanna say star wars vibes?

[rotund siren]

The Greebling

[storm jungle]

"And you see lad thats why we need new models."

[cursive hull]

Yes

Now if only GW would remember the Steel Legion.

If they had updated models, I'd go ahead and probably slowly assemble a proper mechanized Steel Legion army. Guard in Chimera's with some support guns and armor.

Brain

Please

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure they'd sell well

i think

I feel like GW's modelling department has come a long way compared to like

"man standing with gun"

now they pose all sorts of crazy stuff

[cursive hull]

Honestly? Any variety aside from Cadia should sell well.

Just the Kreiger Killteam is going to likely sell alright.

[storm jungle]

God i hope so

as skelly said earlier if it does sell well it'd set out a good example for other regiments in general

[cursive hull]

Yee

If they branched out into selling different regimental types of each unit aside from like, the common pattern of vehicles and so on?

It'd probably do them well.

At least with the big name regiments, either way.

[storm jungle]

Yeee this tbh

[cursive hull]

Tallarn, Krieg, Praetorians, Steel Legion, Mordian Guard, Janissaries, etc.

[storm jungle]

Im sad knowing half of those wont ever be done

but like id still take a good half

[cerulean wagon]

honestly ive just been expecting the new models for em all eventually

[cursive hull]

Yeah...

[cerulean wagon]

GW don't discontinue something without a reason

[storm jungle]

[cerulean wagon]

it wasn't like the metal guard had stopped pulling money in

[cursive hull]

Oh, yeah, and Vostroyans and uh...

Fuck, the uh...

Uuuuuuh

Valhallans.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/23/Valhallan_Trooper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140412035028 Its weird that the Valhallans are the ones I've yet to see memed too hard.

[cerulean wagon]

because they have a smaller following

all the vocal "hurrdurr guard" guys go krieg or harrukoni

[cursive hull]

Yeah... I suppose so

That and, frankly, the Valhallans only have the same memes as anything related to the Red Army.

[cerulean wagon]

yup

which means usualy their memes sink into sigmarxist board and obscurity

[cursive hull]

https://youtu.be/bjW3kMNaW2o Mostly lots of Command and Conquer Red Alert (1-3) ost amv's I imagine.

[cerulean wagon]

https://youtu.be/o2ba8zolqHE

[cursive hull]

I mean.

...I kinda appreciate the Red Army memes and vibes you could apply to the Valhallans. It makes for a nice contrast from the usual over saturated bullshit the Kriegers and, occasionally, the Steel Legion (wrongly) get attributed.

[cerulean wagon]

world in conflict had some fucking

baller cinematics

[cursive hull]

Also yes

World in Conflict is legit as fuck

[cerulean wagon]

Also yeah i dont mind it except uhh

they get the enemy at the gates treatment

[cursive hull]

Who, the Valhallans?

Either way

Yeah, fuck Enemy at the Gates

[cerulean wagon]

yeah the valhallans

[cursive hull]

"Huehue Soviet Army underequppied and undisciplined."

Fuck off with that.

I still hate how much damage Enemy at the Gates did.

[cursive hull]

There's a lot you can say about the Red Army. But come the hell on.

If there is one thing they did not lack come Stalingrad? It was Mosin Nagant rifles and ammo for them.

[cerulean wagon]

yuuup

zdumb

[cursive hull]

Still

I suppose I kinda appreciate the Valhallans as much as the Steel Legion either way.

[cerulean wagon]

they are a cool faction

[cursive hull]

Soviet deep battle doctrine is easily as cool as American style mobility warfare and combined arms.

Find weakness in the enemy line, smash that weakness, and bum rush as quickly as possible through it to smash everything you can find as quickly as possible with ever growing support.

Same end goal as Mobility Doctrine, just with a lot more pushing involved.

...I do seem to remember that the Armageddon Steel Legion had to deal with Deep Battle doctrine from the Orks of all sources.

I forget where I heard it, but I do remember someone saying that Ghazghkull Thraka used Deep Battle.

Which... Actually really suits the Orks.

[cerulean wagon]

yup

orks use tactics

[cursive hull]

Well yeah

Keeps the Orks interesting. Beyond the Memes, they aren't really that dumb, at least, the Orks that tend to actually be a problem aren't.

I appreciate that.

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

i prefer actual orks over meme orks

the krieg trailer was a good one

[cursive hull]

yee

[marsh grail]

Oh boy here’s a big question. Can anyone explain magnus did nothing wrong? What did he actually do? Why do people say he did nothing wrong?

[cursive hull]

Are you genuinely asking?

If you are, I can attempt a genuine answer, although others might do better.

@marsh grail

[marsh grail]

Yes I am. I’m sure it has been memeified but it must be based on actual lore right?

[odd tulip]

Magnus broke through a massive psychic wall created by the emperor in order to warn said emperor that horus had betrayed him

the argument is that he made the right call, and that warning the emperor was vital enough to warrant breaking that wall

however, the breaking of said wall effectively doomed humanities hopes of using the webway forever

[tender igloo]

it boils down to magnus did what he thought was best given the circumstances, but still did a lot wrong. also what gawain said

it could also be argued that magnus thought he knew better, and figured he would be hailed as a hero so he didn't consider the long-term consequences

[marsh grail]

Ah I see. Did his warning have any positive effects on the war? Or was it only a minor aid in warning of the betrayal? Would humanity be better off now if he hadn’t?

But yeah hindsight is 20/20

[tender igloo]

it probably would have been better had he not broken the wall

the thousand sons would still be loyalists if that were the case

[marsh grail]

I see then perhaps we should say magnus made a reasonable amount of mistakes.

[tender igloo]

and the space wolves would not have been manipulated by horus to kill the thousand sons

magnus didn't think things through basically

[cursive hull]

Didn't he punch a hole into the webway project?

[tender igloo]

yep

[cursive hull]

Like, it wasn't just any wall he broke

[tender igloo]

ruined any chances of humanity escaping warp travel forever

[cursive hull]

It pissed off Big E something huge.

[marsh grail]

Now why did it ruin any chances of using the web way in the future?

[cursive hull]

Basically? Flooded the webway project with a shit ton of Daemons

[tender igloo]

if it weren't for the custodes guarding the webway portal on terra, it would have been overrun by daemons long ago

[cursive hull]

Long and the short of it.

its broken and with the Emperor on his ass because of Horus, nobody can get it working.

He might have had a chance of fixing it for a time but that time has long passed.

[marsh grail]

Ah so he told all the hobos were the cool abandoned buildings are

[marsh grail]

Great…

[tender igloo]

so yeah, magnus fucked up royally

[marsh grail]

I forgot the portal was on terra. Who’s idea was that again?

[tender igloo]

Big E

[cursive hull]

So, Magnus made a fatal mistake that made him, whether he wanted to be or not, a foe of the Imperium.

Also. Big E's

Emps wanted to let Humanity use its own version of the Webway, to tell the warp to go fuck itself.

It'd make the Imperium practically unstoppable.

But again, that's no longer an option.

[marsh grail]

Lol you’d think he’d have the sense to at least do it on Mercury, Venus or Mars. Keep dangerous stuff at arms length.

[cursive hull]

That's the thing.

[tender igloo]

mars is mechanicus territory, so that's a no go

[cursive hull]

The Emperor was keeping it all a secret. For whatever reasons.

And also, he'd not put his pet project anywhere near the Void Dragon.

[marsh grail]

Or at the very least the moon

[tender igloo]

Big E was probably paranoid about somebody ruining the project if they found out

which in hindsight really didn't matter

[marsh grail]

Lol that essentially happened

[cursive hull]

Well

It happened because he didn't tell people about it

Big E is... Not the best father.

And this is one of the best examples.

[marsh grail]

Yeah just because you are immortal and super powerful doesn’t mean you are wise

[tender igloo]

Simplest description of Big E is that he was too focused on the big picture to care about the small stuff piling up around him

[cursive hull]

I feel like it humanizes the Emperor

...Which

You know

[tender igloo]

is a good thing

especially when you have a being that while he may have a human soul, is so fundamentally alien that he really doesn't understand humanity at all

[cursive hull]

Makes sense. He's product and a result of humanity. He is intrinsically human.

He should be flawed in some human way, such as his arrogance or occasional outbursts of rage (At Lorgar, Magnus, etc.) and general failings more as a person than a leader.

[marsh grail]

In all honesty he probably had plenty of evidence over the years to support the fear that people would mess it up

[cursive hull]

This is basically the reason he made himself Emperor to begin with

[marsh grail]

The longer you live the more you realize how selfish and shortsighted people can be.

[cursive hull]

I think its outright stated he basically got tired of waiting for humanity to get better, which is why he revealed himself when he did.

Course

[tender igloo]

he essentially thought he was so above normal humans that he didn't realize that he was falling victim to hubris

[cursive hull]

Whether he was looking out for the good of mankind or his own interests is never stated.

[cursive hull]

This

[marsh grail]

Isn’t it said that a person is smart but people are dumb?

[cursive hull]

I do kinda like keeping the Emperor's intentions vague.

[marsh grail]

Yeah it’s for the better

[tender igloo]

it makes conversations about him more interesting that way

[marsh grail]

Leaves room for us to have these conversations.

[cursive hull]

Was he totally benevolent and trying to legitimately make mankind as secure as possible in its position?

Or was he just taking advantage of the opportunity provided during the Unification era to make himself god king forever?

Who knows.

Nobody, and that's good.

[tender igloo]

my personal take is that he was trying to get humanity to the point where they were a truly psychic race that was exactly like him

[cursive hull]

I do think he was generally benevolent myself.

But like all leaders, was flawed and sometimes contrarian.

But I should also say

[tender igloo]

you can even see that idea with the custodes and astartes being various stages of human evolution

[cursive hull]

He was benevolent compared to the alternatives provided at the time of unification.

[marsh grail]

Are there psychic custodes?

[tender igloo]

not that i know of

[marsh grail]

Like custode librarians?

[cursive hull]

This is also true.

Although, I dislike using it too literally. It is true that the Astartes, Primarchs, and Big E are basically created evolutions... But you could also say he did so only to protect the people of the Imperium with what resources he had.

[tender igloo]

the sisters of silence are the only thing i am aware of, but they block out psychic abilities

[cursive hull]

Sisters are blanks, I think.