Pfffft
You think wehraboos can make this distinction
#40k-lore-chat
vapid tiger
open marsh
Their officers have French Dragoon helmets
vapid tiger
They just see the word "krieg"
open marsh
Pfffft
You think wehraboos can make this distinction
See...that requires they are smart enough. If they were, they wouldnt be wehraboos
vapid tiger
And go ham with the swastikas and runes
open marsh
@vapid tiger Whats funnier is that there is a regiment based on WWII Wehrmacht. The Armageddeon Steel Legion. They are essentially German Afrika Corp Panzergrenadiers with Fallschirmjäger helmets
frosty cobalt
<@!213314105052758026> Whats funnier is that there *is* a regiment based on WWII...
Armageddon are usa mechanized tho
open marsh
Armageddon are usa mechanized tho
German mechinized.
storm jungle
I thought the only german thing about the arma was the helmet
since we had this argument like 3 days ago iirc lol
post the pics medic
👉
open marsh
post the pics medic
Which one
storm jungle
The uh german and armageddon soldier one you did when this was happening again
frosty cobalt
yea its just the helm
" Parts of the uniform are drawn from the British Army's infantry uniform in World War I (the coats are modelled on the British 1914 Utility Tunic and the gas masks are of the 1916 Box-Respirator type) and the German Paratroops (Fallschirmjäger) of World War II (particularly the Steel Legion's helmet design)"
vapid tiger
<@!213314105052758026> Whats funnier is that there *is* a regiment based on WWII...
Yep
open marsh
The uh german and armageddon soldier one you did when this was happening again
This one?
vapid tiger
But you see, they don't speak german and wear yellow
odd sparrow
there it is
storm jungle
Yep that one
vapid tiger
Therefore the wehraboo brain passes over them
storm jungle
I just personally always ignored that one since its like
really old art
GW seemed to move away from it a bit from my understanding
odd sparrow
the smol ork head tho
open marsh
glad prism
They had lancers in the first world war anyway, but I can sort of see it, though the dragoon helmet in question wasn't particularly unique to the French iirc.
odd sparrow
i loathe these debates so much
open marsh
1 button row v 2
Those are pocket buttons
primal tide
"buh but they are different because the boots are creased in different place"
odd sparrow
armageddon is gimmicked around mechanised infantry, dkok is gimmicked around ww1, that's all the artists who draw this stuff up care about lol
they may use whatever references they want but it has like zero serious implication
frosty cobalt
why are u so smart ur too big brained to be here
primal tide
Unless certain unsavory people add that implication because they're clowns
odd sparrow
i dont wanna crawl up anybodys ass for spyglassing 40k stuff i do it all the time but still
pain
final spruce
open marsh
I think there is a picture of the Steel Legion with remixed German flags on their helmets
open marsh
frosty cobalt
yea one of my fav ig pieces
odd sparrow
blue lasgun lasers feels weird
storm jungle
welcome to the future ratty
odd sparrow
must be red toad brain broke
open marsh
storm jungle
remember when 40k art was detailed
odd sparrow
,, tho mind u how in the DKoK KT trailer the lasguns fired like
star wars blaster lasers
frosty cobalt
remember when 40k art was detailed
i miss the grit 😔
open marsh
,, tho mind u how in the DKoK KT trailer the lasguns fired like
Thats how they have always been depicted as firing like in animations. Look at the Darktide trailers
frosty cobalt
oh lol that too
odd sparrow
im p sure the darktide trailer depicted it as a single coherent beam, like in dow
leastways it was a way longer SW blaster beam
odd sparrow
?
final spruce
the guard server uses them as emotes
Still makes me cringe
frosty cobalt
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/mEv2aommAEowTigc....
yea i see what u mean
vapid tiger
The sheer panic on this man's face as he sees the biggest living ork in the galaxy charging the line
frosty cobalt
its the digital painting to look like a real one
odd sparrow
i dont really have an issue with that, tho like
open marsh
The sheer panic on this man's face as he sees the biggest living ork in the gala...
I mean, wouldnt you?!
odd sparrow
occasionally it is nice to have the big dick giant detailed two pager vibes
frosty cobalt
i honestly hate it, its everywhere
storm jungle
Compared to earlier stuff
where you can literally see every individual detail the artist draws onto even the minor characters
vapid tiger
I mean, wouldnt you?!
Yeah but look at his...is that a Commissar or sergeant?
final spruce
Compared to earlier stuff
It's time to evolve boomer
storm jungle
open marsh
The bigger panic is that Grenadier/Engineer freaking out and trying to go for his lasgun, instead of setting off the detonation charges
storm jungle
get goofed ye moth
open marsh
Yeah but look at his...is that a Commissar or sergeant?
Sergeant.
frosty cobalt
storm jungle
Man thats some good shit
vapid tiger
Mook: We need to run!
Sergeant: No. We need to fight.
gets splatted
final spruce
I mean i'm currently looking at the warhammer conquest poster and the backdrop is well done
I think its just that specific art
vapid tiger
I've never liked this artwork
It's another example of an art trend I dislike in 40k
final spruce
That is meant to empathise the character
storm jungle
I mean i'm currently looking at the warhammer conquest poster and the backdrop i...
Nah its not
its the uh
vapid tiger
It's fine composition-wise I guess it's what's happening that irks me
frosty cobalt
It's fine composition-wise I guess it's what's happening that irks me
the giant unorganized pub brawl?
vapid tiger
the giant unorganized pub brawl?
Nope, that would make it better
Look closely
primal tide
much painterly, very style
odd sparrow
the giant unorganized pub brawl?
there's only so much random shit u can put onto a single piece until it starts becoming sorta jarring
storm jungle
Imma make u jarring
vapid tiger
There are no dead loyalists
Only dying chaos marines
In a lot of loyalist artwork csm are depicted as mooks who are constantly getting murdered
odd sparrow
like even a lot of the just one faction on one side shooting another on the other page comes off as odd
vapid tiger
it's a general trend that's been occurring since like 5th edition
frosty cobalt
There are no dead loyalists
Only dying chaos marines
In a lot of loyalist artw...
oh that thats a given for 40k art tho
odd sparrow
like ye we get it u wanted smthn big to put on the two pages in ur book
frosty cobalt
i cant help that
odd sparrow
but why is any of this happening
vapid tiger
Not before 5th ed
odd sparrow
like What is this actually depicting
frosty cobalt
There are no dead loyalists
Only dying chaos marines
In a lot of loyalist artw...
i mean they are killing IW,, and i like the IW far more than any loyalist
yea
odd sparrow
imma fite u
🗞️
storm jungle
frosty cobalt
i wish the art was balanced but
vapid tiger
it grinds my gears grrg
frosty cobalt
then id get art of the tau winning much more and that cant happen
odd sparrow
forbidden
like, i sorta like some art like this cus u can sorta tell it's actually depicting smthn? it looks like some like, consolidated attack by the tau
u can tell what's going on
it's not just a giant pub brawl lol
vapid tiger
What's annoying is that in AoS, Stormcasts, who are also posterboys, aren't portrayed like loyalists
They're portrayed as just another faction in AoS who are also posterboys, whereas loyalist marines basically lord over all the other factions
All other factions exist to be sacrificed to the altar that is making loyalists look cool
and what makes it worse is that it wasn't always like this
open marsh
Got a good picture of the recoil on when the marksman fires his lasgun
odd sparrow
recoil is an easy way to make the animations for lasguns look less weird
cus it would look sorta odd if it just didn't shift at all despite that being how lasers work
vapid tiger
odd sparrow
F
frosty cobalt
like, i sorta like some art like this cus u can sorta tell it's actually depicti...
old tau art had them lookin so professional
odd sparrow
some of the recent tau are is also good but like
ye 70% of the vs stuff is just like
this artist does not want to draw tau this artist wants to draw the other faction and includes some tau getting eviscerated cus they have to
vapid tiger
Marines stomp everyone else
That's art now
There's less balance
open marsh
@odd sparrowHas it been said that lasguns dont have recoil? I vaguely remember it from like 2e or maybe even 3e. But that has been abandoned ever since.
frosty cobalt
ye 70% of the vs stuff is just like
oops lol we are in close combat oops how did this happen
odd sparrow
Oh shit i have to draw the blueberries too? ok right i'll include two
vapid tiger
I mean lasguns are stated to have kick
odd sparrow
<@!535873821002039296>Has it been said that lasguns dont have recoil? I vaguely ...
the fluff has them be like, actual lasers right? Not smthn smthn plasma like other sci fi laser guns
open marsh
I mean lasguns are stated to have kick
Thats what I mean. Its been changed since the early editions
dreamy crest
<@!535873821002039296>Has it been said that lasguns dont have recoil? I vaguely ...
It just comes so to whatever book/author you read first
storm jungle
Thank you 🙏
frosty cobalt
vapid tiger
the fluff has them be like, actual lasers right? Not *smthn smthn plasma* like o...
How they look depends greatly on writer
open marsh
It just comes so to whatever book/author you read first
With these animations. Tho I hope that its solidified as having kick
vapid tiger
In abnett's novels loyal guard always fire blue star wars blaster bolts
odd sparrow
this art is my beloved purely cus it depicts tau actually doing smthn in close combat
apply pulse blaster to plague marine
frosty cobalt
yea whiteblue is what i thought
odd sparrow
fire that crisis suit pilot
vapid tiger
In most visual depictions lasguns either fire nothing at all or a bright red solid beam
open marsh
In most visual depictions lasguns either fire nothing at all or a bright red sol...
There are a couple of white/blue and one orange that i can think of
frosty cobalt
*why are the fire warriors running right past a marine*
because they are going to the front, whist the veteran officer tries diplomacy
odd sparrow
ofc
vapid tiger
Which is what the kill team trailer lasguns look like
vapid tiger
They don't look like star wars blaster bolts they look like solid beams
At least that's what I thought
dreamy crest
With these animations. Tho I hope that its solidified as having kick
Eh I prefer the no recoil since they are lasers but I don’t really care if they do but don’t matter at the end of the day
odd sparrow
they are def depicted not quite as solid beams
vapid tiger
In darktide it looks like they have kick
odd sparrow
tho it seems like both it and darktide like, they sorta look like actual lasers but they do also visibly begin and end
ig to make it look smoother and less janky
vapid tiger
Oh
open marsh
In darktide it looks like they have kick
They do
frosty cobalt
yea
open marsh
They're sw blaster bolts
Yeah you can see it a little too back in the 9e trailer
frosty cobalt
gladius has them lore accurate which i find fun
dreamy crest
My question is do you guys want to theorise how lasguns work on our understanding of laser science today? If so, no recoil
If you want recoil cool, recoil
Games likely just do recoil for familiarity and conformity
😎
vapid tiger
Hopefully darktide's depiction of weapons can be used as a template for things to be portrayed more consistently considering it'll probably have the best renditions of these weapons in any visual medium
since fatshark is known for punchy weapons in vermintide
but it won't
odd sparrow
DT has a similar vibe going on. they're like a weird hybrid between like 2 feet ish long SW blaster bolts and full lasers
vapid tiger
ten years from now one video game's depiction of what a meltagun fires will be totally different from darktide's meltagun, however it fires
odd sparrow
u sorta have to slow it down to actually make it out
vapid tiger
DT has a similar vibe going on. they're like a weird hybrid between like 2 feet ...
That's fine
I like that
It looks cool
odd sparrow
gimme green lasguns
open marsh
glad prism
Is it time we all collectively touched grass?
storm jungle
gimme pride las
odd sparrow
im red/green colourblind so i can have both
odd palm
Hmm
crisp heath
Hi
storm jungle
dreamy crest
open marsh
Scion hellguns have white/yellow
final spruce
Hopefully darktide's depiction of weapons can be used as a template for things t...
I mean VTs ranged was mainly limited by the fact that its renaissance level of technology for personnal weapons
crisp heath
Yo I want bi las
glad prism
I want a bi las
glad prism
Ben, we shall acquire the memes of production for a bi-las
frosty cobalt
i mean if ur power was fluctuating the spectrum of light might lower so u get the blue purple color
dreamy crest
Based purple Las when?
glad prism
Based purple Las when?
Join bi las, and u got it fren
final spruce
Scion hellguns have white/yellow
Makes sense its supposed to be hotter
dreamy crest
Join bi las, and u got it fren
Bi fo life
storm jungle
"hey guns have yellow flashes"
vapid tiger
,, tho now i just want more lasgun colour variations tbh
Different las weapons having different colors might be cool, but I get the feeling that blue lasfire might be confusing when existing alongside plasma
Then again plasma also comes in different colors
crisp heath
las
odd sparrow
fuck yeah
glad prism
Poop las?
open marsh
Be Bi, Kill a Guy.
odd sparrow
Different las weapons having different colors might be cool, but I get the feeli...
usually plasma is depicted as like
storm jungle
In the future everyone is bisexual or gay
odd sparrow
~weird glowing ball of doom~
storm jungle
minus that one commissar Cain was with
vapid tiger
a blue blob yes but sometimes it's a beam
storm jungle
where he got kissed by a slaanesh cultist
and said "i dont roll like that, disgusting"
vapid tiger
we'll see how fatshark handles it
odd sparrow
Yee
there are quite a few weapons with like, no super significant precedent visually or sound wise
looking at u melta
primal tide
Melta is microwave right?
errant mauve
Ping me twice again and I will shoot you with poopy lasgun
odd sparrow
i have no idea and neither does GW
glad prism
There are worse deaths
vapid tiger
looking at u melta
Melta is what I'm the most interested in
odd sparrow
they've been a beam of molten whatever, they've been shotguns
final spruce
Short range hot beam
odd sparrow
inb4 it becomes the new not-chaos-warrior can opener
vapid tiger
Giant blowtorch in one, horde vaporizer in another
frosty cobalt
melta
vapid tiger
Can't wait for certain fans to seethe when plague marines are monster tier enemies in darktide
glad prism
A melta is a lava lamp that dressed up for the job it wanted, not the one it had
vapid tiger
along the lines of rat ogres
errant mauve
"‘This one’s good enough,’ Jurgen said, squeezing the trigger of the melta and sending a roiling mass of superheated air into the heart of the swarm. It punched a hole clean through the onrushing mass, felling several of the brutes, and crippling others, which fell, disrupting the charge. Jurgen followed up with another three shots in rapid succession, but for every one which fell another handful leapt over the resulting carnage, powering up the dunes towards our fragile refuge. The main advantage the melta had given us was flash-burning a handful of ’nids just outside the cone of destruction it wrought, setting fire to their spasming corpses instead of simply vaporising them."
At least we know Jurgen's Melta can seem to just do anything lmao
odd sparrow
plague marines would be super fun if they do get implemented
which they v much may not
forever wanna hear the wet sounding bolter shots in person
frosty cobalt
primal tide
forever wanna hear the *wet sounding bolter shots* in person
excuse me what
frosty cobalt
cursive hull
Okay so
glad prism
forever wanna hear the *wet sounding bolter shots* in person
don't let medic hear you
errant mauve
Meltas swiss army knives confirmed
odd sparrow
excuse me what
it was in a tau vs death guard short story i think
cursive hull
I can believe Jurgan's silliness
odd sparrow
it's glorious
cursive hull
But...
primal tide
Amazing
errant mauve
horde killer
tank killer
cuppa heater
cursive hull
A Melta being turned into a space heater?
errant mauve
It does it all!
odd sparrow
i picture it as being like fhlUp fhlUp
primal tide
Wet bolter sounds have to sound like farts, right?
glad prism
Real thonk hours
odd sparrow
this too is an option
cursive hull
Also, in fairness...
The Melta gun firing rapidly to kill hordes doesn't sound too far off from its actual performance.
glad prism
Same same, but different
cursive hull
Like, it literally heats up molecules and tosses them.
It really should melt anything nearby to its beam.
frosty cobalt
it sounds like u can change the settings
cursive hull
Rapidly is subjective, tbh.
frosty cobalt
knowing 40k tech its prolly just a supercharged heat gun
errant mauve
1 shot
frosty cobalt
so u proly could hit a low setting
cursive hull
Like, "Rapidly" could mean "after every 30 seconds or so."
Doesn't have to be las or bolt gun fast.
frosty cobalt
12 rpm is fast for a tank
vapid tiger
plague marines would be super fun if they do get implemented
I doubt they won't appear
The characters are using plasma and meltaguns and thunder hammers
They can definitely kill plague marines
cursive hull
Thunderhammers?
Didn't look like there was any such thing.
Maybe power weapons of other kinds.
vapid tiger
There's a human sized thunder hammer in the gameplay trailer
cursive hull
Looked like the Priest had just a normal ass hammer.
vapid tiger
Priest uses it, and it's a thunder hammer
cursive hull
No power discharge on hit
odd sparrow
they might just like, go for purely human-ish stuff and avoid marines categorically
like it's obvs plausible but they might've not even like, bothered going to GW for the rights to anything marine adjacent
odd sparrow
yeah it is a thunder hammer, article stuff described it as that
cursive hull
Like, an actual fucking powerfield**
vapid tiger
Same shape as a terminator thunder hammer
glad prism
Maybe they just didn't choose to engage it I guess
vapid tiger
Just human scaled
glad prism
Just a good bonking
cursive hull
Yes, but that's no longer my point
glad prism
Just a bit behind, don't mind me
cursive hull
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlackandwhiteInferiorLacewing-size_restricted.gif I'm not asking for much, but it should at least burst blue when striking
If its a power weapon, it should look and act like one.
Hopefully, on release, it will.
odd sparrow
they've def implemented a blue spark in some capacity
can see it at around the 35 second mark in the gameplay thing
vapid tiger
You can see in the trailer that it does have a thunder hammer shockwave effect, but it's very subtle and only affects the spot around the impact
There's a little crackle of lightning
cursive hull
The follow up strike has sparks, maybe, but not blue.
odd sparrow
ye it seems oddly inconsistent in the footage, but if it's there i imagine it'll be there p obviously on launch
cursive hull
https://gyazo.com/0b3940f43ffba1a8e1ab04ffcff53ac9 First strike that ends at the wall has it
https://gyazo.com/728455456f7fe350ac8559448ebeed1f This strike does not
glad prism
Any colour would be nice I think, but yah, I know what you mean
cursive hull
It is a bit odd.
TBH, it should spark, since that hit against that guy's head hit his helmet. So sparks make sense in this case.
Like
Even if it wasn't powered.
vapid tiger
Maybe the charged attacks are powered and the uncharged are unpowered but I doubt it
cursive hull
I'd be satisfied with the idea that, because its an early build, its just not consistent.
Like, its intended, but it doesn't always happen because that's not really the important part for the trailer.
vapid tiger
Yeah the gun sounds are better in the footage in the writer reveal trailer
so maybe the visuals will also be improved
i just want to see the meltagun
cursive hull
So we did get confirmation that Melta is coming? What else? Plasma also?
vapid tiger
Plasma was confirmed by the announcement trailer, meltagun was in concept art and I would be surprised if it isn't
Fatshark noted in an interview that they're trying to cram as many 40k weapons into the game as they can
Like I wouldn't be surprised if the ogryn can wield a heavy bolter
cursive hull
Very interesting.
vapid tiger
Or even a lascannon
cursive hull
Now that would be a sight.
vapid tiger
Speaking of lascannon
frosty cobalt
i just want the ripper gun
vapid tiger
I'd love a lascannon portrayed in the same way lasers are in mechwarrior
Beam of light that's fired for a few seconds before cooling down
Massive damage
cursive hull
shrug
Would be one way to do it. We're still more likely to get the DoW2 style lascannon effect if anything though, I think.
It fires like a lasgun, but the beam sort of lingers and fades rather than just wink out.
Either way, with that confirmation...
It does make it hard to choose what I want, lol.
Guess if we're getting all that, Hotshot isn't out of the question, so I guess I'll go for a Hotshot and a bolt pistol, plus some sort of melee weapon if possible.
Or, if its just gun and secondary, then Hotshot and chainsword.
Don't want to sacrifice horde clear for large scale anti armor punch, nor to sacrifice AP for massive horde clear.
I want something that can do okay at both.
vapid tiger
Hotshot will probably be in
I'd bet money
Probably will be a lasgun that does more damage per shot at the expense of having less ammo and maybe a lower rate of fire and/or worse accuracy
cursive hull
Fair enough I guess.
vapid tiger
And a snazzy visual effect
cursive hull
Still, I want something properly inbetween.
(Probably a hot orange beam too)
(Rather than the normal red)
vapid tiger
They've also explicitly mentioned both the Locke and Godwyn De'az patterns of boltgun
cursive hull
Interesting
I suppose Boltgun might be my game
I definitely want a gun I can rely on in any situation.
open marsh
Hotshot will probably be in
I'd bet money
Eh. GW has combined the terms "hotshit lasgun" and "hellgun" to mean the same weapon
vapid tiger
Ya
I'd be surprised if it isn't in darktide
I'm not expecting everything to be in darktide, but I do expect the basics in human ranged weaponry
Lasgun, autogun, stub revolver, shotgun, flamer, boltgun, hot-shot lasgun, long las, plasma gun, meltagun, ripper gun, heavy bolter, MAYBE lascannon (if you're gonna have a fucking meltagun you might as well have a lascannon)
Maybe more than that
And several of these are either outright in gameplay footage or soft confirmed
cursive hull
I just had an idea for april fools.
Everyone, and I mean everyone, gets a Multilaser.
vapid tiger
thank you mister goto
very cool
Hell
I would not be surprised if they had variants of a lot of the weapons I described considering that there might be two patterns of human bolter in the game
Pump-action shotgun vs double barrel, hot-shot lasgun vs hot-shot volley gun, generic autogun vs heavy duty armageddon autogun
etc
But I don't necessarily expect it
Outside of there being both a pump action and double barrel shotgun since that's pretty normal
tender igloo
perfection
vapid tiger
Bling
Very nice snazzgun tho
Ofc they'll reveal it to be some specifically named thing
I guarantee it
When the minis are revealed tomorrow
frosty cobalt
my lamenter+2 ig roadtrip script haunts me cause i cant write it
open marsh
Know what I love about the Death Korp? They show, in the grand scheme of things, humanity hasnt changed at all. In concept, they are what happens if you pull soldiers right out of WWI and give them a lasgun. Like, people think "Oh, he wont know what to do with it because he is from so long ago."
But its a lasgun. A gun. A soldier doesnt need to know how it makes the bad guys become dead. He pulls the trigger, the bad guys die. Its all ne needs to know
❤️
open marsh
Ofc they'll reveal it to be some specifically named thing
I mean even if its a unique model. Killteam rules cross over to table top with minimal effort
coarse mirage
What are the cool Ultramarine successors? @ me in case I fall asleep and need to find it later!
frosty cobalt
What are the cool Ultramarine successors? @ me in case I fall asleep and need to...
silver skulls😶
errant mauve
What are the cool Ultramarine successors? @ me in case I fall asleep and need to...
I'm a big fan of Doom Eagles and Silver Skulls as well
runic wharf
None smurfs suck even the non smurfs but doom eagles are okeh
errant mauve
Mortifactors are rad too
primal tide
Emperor's spears
They're the ones that write funny epitaphs for their dead battle brothers
runic wharf
Embrace the imperial fists
Excoriators best chapter don't @me
They have the best plan scare the enemy to death
glad prism
What are the cool Ultramarine successors? @ me in case I fall asleep and need to...
Mortifactors and Fire Angels are pretty great too
gaunt vector
why...
cerulean wagon
why...
because adb is a chaos writer, specifically night lords was his big thing
i thinkt he idea of something having a good life in 40k scares him
storm jungle
Yeah its a weird statement in general
storm jungle
storm jungle
That and authors always have weird ass takes
like Gav saying chaos is a force of nature when lol yeah they sure are amirite
runic wharf
I mean even pleasure worlds are right fucked
odd sparrow
tbh chaos is more interesting as a force of nature but also it's like,,, never written like that
the chaos gods are written like dicks
glad prism
You'll find the odd exception to the rule in almost everything to do with 40k
cerulean wagon
^
odd sparrow
tzeentch is a fuckboy khorne needs anger therapy sessions
cerulean wagon
the chaos gods are written like dicks
and ye agreed. I think it was doneout of lazyness tbh, writting people is easier than writing unknown eldritch manifestations of will
odd sparrow
and ye the idea that like, absolutely no 40k imperial world can be livable is dumb to me
runic wharf
Nah just psykers going to a pleasure world and flaying people
odd sparrow
and ye agreed. I think it was doneout of lazyness tbh, writting people is easier...
ye, ig it's fairly understandable
writing that kind of character is always really difficult
cerulean wagon
mhmm
odd sparrow
look at the last church trying to write ~enigmatic~ big e
cerulean wagon
making them cutouts of villains makes it easier for the average author to manage
so as much as id prefer them being nature manifest, its not exactly an easy writing point
cerulean wagon
Nah just psykers going to a pleasure world and flaying people
psykers are (or were) pretty rare and most people will never see one in their lifetime
glad prism
The mere concepts they represent in nature are the warped parodies of things most people consider evil, so trying to make it less clear cut is of course made more difficult by virtue of that fact
odd sparrow
thesaurus
cerulean wagon
my favorite dinosaur
glad prism
But I mean, you'll find something there too, between honour, rebirth, evolution and perfectionism, might have just been sloppily executed
cerulean wagon
theres some bits that handle it well, usualy when handles from a cultists or human side of things
but for the most part chaos are just "the bad guys"
which religated them to a weird point in the setting of being the only not grey area faction
everyone has a reason to do something except chaos, who do it because "hehe hoo hoo evil"
odd sparrow
p much
Which makes them ~boring af despite the trope that they're eventually meant to win~
storm jungle
eurgh cant wait for that day
odd sparrow
the only actual meaningful conflict u usually get with chaos stuff is like, with the marine chapters being conflicted or whatever
beyond that it's just beep boop destroy galaxy
cerulean wagon
people usualy get super annoyed when i point that out, like idk if u remember acid exploding at me for it dilara lmao
glad prism
Rip
storm jungle
Yeah like you can like chaos marines but they're one-dimensional as fuck
cerulean wagon
its annoying cause as a concept if you have them as a force of nature, something that has no direct will but merely twists the will of those who turn too it you get some realy interesting stuff going on with cults and stuff
odd sparrow
At least the new chaos marine models have a cool aesthetic
glad prism
If only more renegades were better written
odd sparrow
with the plumes and stuff
storm jungle
If only
cerulean wagon
like i love the slow spiral to corruption, because its a cool idea for cults and you can sometimes see how someone might fall
like a chief librarian of some random world finding knowledge they arent meant to seek
glad prism
Some of this stuff is more Lovecraftian than it cares to acknowledge
cerulean wagon
Pans out in my head almost like... yeah was just about to mention the king in yellow specifically lmao
King in yellow is how i imagine tzeentchian cults can form
odd sparrow
if i was writing a chaos based thing i'd totally just ignore the last 32 years of crappy chaos writing and make it discount lovecraft
it's honestly preferable
glad prism
Hastur moment
cerulean wagon
the best part of chaos is that fear of the unkown, that corruption. The fact it clings to people and can turn those who havent even noticed because its not in your face its a subtle thing. It plays on your fears, desires and beliefs and twists them so slowly that you don't notice it until your so far gone you don't care.
If chaos was this insidious it would also make inquisitors being super paranoid about shit a bit more understandable. Still entirely wrong, and theres a reason most people who perform exterminatus get executed, but it would atleast make it somewhat more meaningful and believable.
glad prism
Dilara be spittin'
cerulean wagon
storm jungle
sdfkls
Im sorry i use decepticons so much as an example
its just that its the exact same thing
storm jungle
die
glad prism
Yes 💚
vapid tiger
Getting megatron vibes
errant mauve
https://tenor.com/view/the-transformers-megatron-soundwave-evil-laugh-laugh-gif-...
blows up telephone pole
"HAHAHA YES!"
errant mauve
Man I love Gen 1 megs
vapid tiger
He says that
Oh I didn't scroll up
I wonder when that bumblebee sequel is gonna release since bumblebee was a reboot of the live action films
vapid tiger
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368066737167400960/863399276918079538/S...
I like adb but sometimes he says some dumb shit
storm jungle
Same thing i said and i fully agree lol
same reason why i take author "takes" with a pinch of salt
their decisions dont matter considering how the setting can always move along without their input or the higherups just ignore it
vapid tiger
Yeah
I mean they can have really good takes
glad prism
It really do be like that
vapid tiger
Phil Kelly does a really good job explaining the settings and has a really good idea of what they are but he also writes the worst tau novels ever
And I do not trust his opinions on tau
ADB really "gets" the setting and understands that it's mutable and that, yeah, everything is shit
But "Ciaphas Cain isn't real 40k" is a horrible take
even paradise worlds can be shitty by our standards for those who aren't nobles vacationing there
storm jungle
yeah but muh grimderp
odd sparrow
if you firmly believe you're on the level of a vindicare
open marsh
glad prism
Mayo, Who Killed Captain Alex? but its all orks
errant mauve
SUPA KICKA
open marsh
errant mauve
Also, the Krieg sculpts look better than expected but worse that I hoped.
Solid models but I guess I'm too used to the resin models
prisma lark
harder to miss of your bullet is larger than your target
errant mauve
odd sparrow
every new ork kit must come with the obligatory comedy grot
and im not even complaining
vapid tiger
I'll bet that the sniper is just a machine gun with a sniper scope, extended barrel and tracer rounds
errant mauve
Comedy grotz are the bedrock of Ork society.
vapid tiger
Such is the way of ork sniping
glad prism
Once a choppa comes out from GW itself with a scope or an iron sight, I think its all over for the other armies
errant mauve
+5 Weapons Skill rerolls all hits
vapid tiger
Love how the nob's slugga looks like an rt era bolt pistol
Probably is one
With a bigger barrel
open marsh
And thank the throne the sculptors ignored the memes. No melee shovels for the Kreigers
open marsh
scalpers be like
open marsh
Yeh
Plastic Krieg army for tabtletop!
This still bugs me. His uniform is that of a Grenadier, but his equipment is that of an engineer
final spruce
Didn't both models got discontinued ?
glad prism
Onk
prisma lark
Fething deffkoptas?
coarse mirage
That looks fucking awesome
coarse mirage
is this built from Tau scrap?
"His battleplate's light snapped on, ringing the nurgling in a hard round of light. It was in the process of exaggeratedly creeping away and it froze. Undaunted it turned to look at them. It held up a finger to its lips, the tentacles around its left arm wriggling and pointed with its right hand through the storm towards the mountainside. Fabian strained his eyes into the dark trying to see what it was pointing at.
"I condemn you to the Emperor's fires, unclean thing!", said Russay, leveling his boltpistol.
"Uh-oh!", squeaked the nurgling."
So precious
vapid tiger
is this built from Tau scrap?
Nah I think it's just painted in white and red
I don't see anything tau on it
potent swift
It's very striking, gives me HZD vibez too. Also the tattoo work on Skragbad is phenominal
open marsh
is this built from Tau scrap?
I think its made from Tyranid bones
coarse mirage
One of them appears to be
open marsh
coarse mirage
If all orkz where like this I'd like them much more
All they lack is a bit of personality
Orkz in general, I mean
visual pumice
It’s why i like the new aos orks
coarse mirage
and those squigs are amazing
vapid tiger
I mean the new beast snaggas are a whole ork subfaction that's like that
Just look at em
final spruce
lacks personality dunno chief
gaunt vector
is that a shoulder mounted targeting squigitator?
open marsh
Probably
gaunt vector
coarse mirage
*lacks personality* dunno chief
By which I mean that they're just Ork, Ork Boss, Ork Nob, Ork whatever.
final spruce
They are a new subfaction about wild orks, dunno what you mean
errant mauve
is that a shoulder mounted targeting squigitator?
I think the specific breed of squig is actually called a targetting squig
You see it on a couple of other ork kits too
gaunt vector
nice
coarse mirage
Are the Doom Eagles actually ultramarine successors?
Or are they some of the absorbed lost legions?
vapid tiger
There's no hint of them not being of ultramarine geneseed
If any chapters aside from maybe the Soul Drinkers are from lost legion lineage it's impossible to tell since uh
How a chapter behaves isn't always indicative of geneseed, since chapter culture is usually independent of geneseed lineage and a marine chapter's homeworld and history will factor into it more
Especially when it comes to Ultramarine successors since they make up the majority of chapters
Key examples being the Emperor's Spears and Mortifactors amongst Ultramarine successors
So just because the Doom Eagles don't really behave like Ultramarines doesn't mean they're not sons of Guilliman
coarse mirage
Doom Eagles are just rather weird
vapid tiger
Yeah but their first chapter master was in the battle of calth
And he got weird and nihilistic after the Word Bearers bombed Calth into the stone age
the implication is that his philosophy carried over to his chapter
since Calth basically broke the man
storm jungle
From another server but they said its kill team
peak hamlet
Oh btw before i take a nap, check out the kill team website, there is some more info on the new minis and a guardsmen with chainsword
barren tapir
Those tau are gonna get a nasty surpise
barren tapir
Tempestus scions doing work
glad prism
Oh btw before i take a nap, check out the kill team website, there is some more ...
nap well
barren tapir
Playing at which fanaticism is stronger
barren tapir
It make me chuckle that they gave those hats to the orks
barren tapir
Yeah british commando look
storm jungle
I found the assumption weird before my partner explained it to me
then i was like "oh shit it really is"
EVEN THE SOCKS
odd sparrow
i love the idea of kroot vs genestealers
barren tapir
They look exactly how british commandos are represented in media, CoH 2 have the same look
odd sparrow
i picture the tau getting dunked on in close quarters and the kroot then like 1 v 5ing the nids like grievous
barren tapir
I think that only in band of brothers british commando look a bit different
storm jungle
odd sparrow
i also lowkey like the brunette SoB
is this an order specific thing
or whatever the things are called for sisters
barren tapir
i also lowkey like the brunette SoB
That seems the order of the argent shroud... Which iirc are hit and run specialist
Or they could also be of the ebon chalice... More probably this
barren tapir
It is their fault that they went into melee range
vapid tiger
But Kill Team is always fought in melee range
storm jungle
Damn 2 arts where the Taus are boutta die
I think its been like 6 in total at this point
vapid tiger
tis a necessary risk
barren tapir
If those images are from KT, where is the one with skitarii? Or i remember wrong and there hasn't been yet a skitarii KT one?
vapid tiger
there was a skitarii kt starter set a while back in 8th ed
barren tapir
Ah AH! I remember right then
final spruce
I mean ALL armies can participate in KT
You can use the 40k models for that
Hell current Edition of Killteam even allowed you to use characters from another boxed game : Blackstone Fortress
vapid tiger
Ya
In fact all "kt minis" barring that one themed around a rogue trader crew vs nurgle and the new set are just 40k kits
And the new set is probably just using the regular 40k kits
KT is just squad level 40k
just use your army minis
final spruce
And the new set is probably just using the regular 40k kits
Nah new set is an exclusive like always
BUT they gave enough bits to kit them for normal games
Which is superb
And they come with rules for tabletop aswell
vapid tiger
Nah new set is an exclusive like always
I mean I thought they mentioned that they'll be releasing as their own kits
final spruce
They didn't
The guy said "maybe"
Because in the ealier edition, the rogue traders and nurgle guys didn't get one
vapid tiger
That means "they will" if the livestream guys say "maybe"
That's hinting
I'd be very surprised considering veteran guardsmen and kommandos are ingame units
And kommandos have needed a new kit for a very long time
odd sparrow
I think its been like 6 in total at this point
tau can't be depicted winning
™️
At least the kroot looks cool
out here jojo posing
storm jungle
frosty cobalt
tau can't be depicted winning
“No one” wants to see some SM squad getting smoked by small black dots on the horizon
odd sparrow
i just wanna see an entire imperial formation get suddenly turned to steam by pretty blue lights coming from the horizon
the true tau experience
odd sparrow
ok at least give me kroot tposing on guardsmen in melee
it never happens on tt kroot suck ass
my chicken senses are depressed
storm jungle
I hate it
storm jungle
I kinda want you to upload it just to see how many upvotes it'd get
frosty cobalt
I kinda want you to upload it just to see how many upvotes it'd get
Over 5k cause its memeing on the tau
frosty cobalt
Welcome to my life
Fuckin there was a dude in a thread askin everyone who posted the “tau cut ur nads off” for a book and page number
My hero
final spruce
I have no idea
They are obviously connected to it but I don't know if its more or less than humans
I'd assume less since I haven't heard of psyker kroots ?
storm jungle
Its a mix of that and the lore never exploring it iirc
coarse mirage
I'd be happy with them not being psychic
cerulean wagon
kroot are the only tau subrace that can traverse the warp
barren tapir
They are obviously connected to the warp, how much kinda depend on the subject i would assume
cerulean wagon
so they have some form of psyker or navigator yeah
barren tapir
Since, you know, a kroot that eat a psyker is gonna be more psychic that other kroots
vapid tiger
kroot eats a primarch
cerulean wagon
theres a side story of kroot eating eldar and becoming potent psykers somewhere
couldnt give u the source
vapid tiger
becomes rokroute guillikroot
cerulean wagon
aight krug, its time for you to leave
vapid tiger
😈
odd sparrow
Yeah I'm p sure kroot are meant to have psyker shaman vibes
open marsh
grand minnow
"ME ATS COVERIN ME EYES"
crisp heath
🤔
open marsh
odd tulip
open marsh
Im not because it removes a abit of the regiment's character
Also doesnt help that:
soft bison
guardsmen get new models
they’re Kriegers and they look good
mfw people are complaining about them already
atomic pelican
Im very excited for 9e KT
Despite meming on krieg, I do like the models too
Very excited for ork kommandos
frosty cobalt
yea the models look great, and u can always repaint or remodel
open marsh
Oh they look great. Just, someone didnt read the book when making them.....
On the positives. I love the Comms Veteran
I like the Ashot pistol he has
Reminds me of Metro Last Light
open marsh
Noone gonna respond to that? Weird how people only seem to feel the need to respond when someone criticizes these things. Never responding to support
vapid tiger
medic it's 12:55 AM ofc people aren't responding
but uh yeah I like the pistol
it's really neat and fits well
vapid tiger
Could be that the munitorum issued the medals
and that the particular krieger there just kind of goes along with it and sees the application of otherwise identical looking soldiers having distinguishing features in a combat situation
open marsh
medic it's 12:55 AM ofc people aren't responding
It was only 9:55 for me
open marsh
and that the particular krieger there just kind of goes along with it and sees t...
Yeah that doesnt work. Because thats very against the culture and mentalities of death korp guardsmen
They are big on "Dress Right Dress"
vapid tiger
Yeah that's the thing
vapid tiger
maybe an attached commissar did it for his own morale
"wear these medals I've seen you live through like 3 battles and I'm gonna lose my shit if you keep acting like that doesn't matter"
vapid tiger
"because then I start to feel like I don't matter either"
open marsh
open marsh
~~"because then I start to feel like I don't matter either"~~
"good. you are learning, Heer Kommisar"
Also I havent even mentioned the new Krieg models have larger/more rounded/symmetrical pauldrons. Something that they didnt have before, but is deff more in the style of the Cadian models
cursive hull
We could presume that, being veterans, they're equipped with additional armor.
Or, perhaps, that GW just wants to sort of tighten up how the Guard are armed and armored.
vapid tiger
They're primaris kriegers obviously
cursive hull
I'm still just happy they're blue
open marsh
We could presume that, being veterans, they're equipped with additional armor.
...
Its the latter, but thats not a good thing. Since it slowly errodes away at the soul of the individual regiments and what they are about
cursive hull
Shrug It could be worse, you know.
They could have just made them Cadians in grey and black kit and slapped Krieger on it.
Either way, I don't think they'd dare change the Kriegers much further.
The fact they're recognizable is what makes them sell well.
open marsh
I'm still just happy they're blue
Thats a thing too. The 143rd Regiment (the ones depicted in the killteam reveal) wore grey uniforms before. It was the 5th Siege Regiment that wore blue
vapid tiger
I mean cadians aren't full green
open marsh
I noticed alot of the fandom "doesnt care" which makes me wonder why have different factions at all, sometimes
cursive hull
It crushes the dumb fucks who claim unironically that the Kriegers are entirely German.
Because, you know
They aren't
Wearing grey uniforms shouldn't give that impression, but here we are.
open marsh
Like. lets just have yellow/blue Biel-Tan aspect warriors
cursive hull
YOu're doing that all or nothing thing.
Nobody goes all or nothing on these things. There are things worth caring about.
open marsh
I mean cadians aren't full green
Yeah, different Cadian regiments have different colors
cloud kindle
they must wear one colour and one colour only
cursive hull
Whether the Kriegers wear grey or blue is not that important.
cloud kindle
so sayeth the nerds
obtuse vault
I don't know about you guys but I'm glad Zherlum got rep
cursive hull
Wat?
open marsh
Whether the Kriegers wear grey or blue is *not* that important.
Then neither is the color of an aspect warrior
atomic pelican
🥖
obtuse vault
And the Nazis lost their rep too lmao
cursive hull
I'm confused.
cloud kindle
wat
atomic pelican
Le french has arrived
vapid tiger
I mean you could paint up firefighter kriegers and claim they're the "5001st krieg regiment" and it'd work within the bounds of the lore
obtuse vault
Zherlum is le frenchi
open marsh
I mean you could paint up firefighter kriegers and claim they're the "5001st kri...
yeah. thats fine. I dont see the issue with that
atomic pelican
I mean you could paint up firefighter kriegers and claim they're the "5001st kri...
Fighting for that guy in the trailer who got incinerated
cursive hull
Then neither is the color of an aspect warrior
Fuck it, I'm way too fucking tired to argue with you. You're so damn stubborn there isn't a point.
You just start assuming its always all or nothing with everything.
Also
I'm an American.
So I'm inherently a mutt
obtuse vault
Fuck it, I'm way too fucking tired to argue with you. You're so damn stubborn th...
I'm so sorry you had to learn the hard way with him 😩
atomic pelican
Half baguette
open marsh
Funny how people only start to get upset at these things when the problems are applied to their favorite factions. But when its your own faction, you are just "nitpicking" and "it doesnt matter"
cursive hull
Le french has arrived
obtuse vault
FUCK yes
open marsh
yee
atomic pelican
U could totally do a napoleonic kinds vibe krieg
cursive hull
Isn't that the Mordian Guard's thing?
cursive hull
The Mordian Guard don't use cover, they use line formations.
open marsh
@atomic pelican Their Death Riders basically already have Napoleonic uniforms
atomic pelican
Elf and I considering getting the KT box so I can get kommandos and she can paint the krieg in rich blue and red ala le france
open marsh
And their officers rock French Dragoon helmets
cursive hull
That'd also be fair
Since, you know, early ww1 uniforms were bright red and blue
(For the French, that is)
open marsh
Yup
obtuse vault
YES THATS WHAT I LOVE
open marsh
Vive La Krieg!
atomic pelican
I lov the lil square cap hats
obtuse vault
My commander leader 🥰 🥰
atomic pelican
open marsh
Also wehraboos fail to notice that even the krieg's helmets are mostly based on French helmets. They only have the german looking flang
obtuse vault
I am going to buy a hetalia France model and use him on the board at my local shop
In official games
Who will stop me?
open marsh
obtuse vault
no one
open marsh
cloud kindle
Also wehraboos fail to notice that even the krieg's helmets are mostly based on ...
thats the first time i have seen that term
i both hate and love it at the same time
open marsh
But yeah, the issue I had with the colour/regiment combo is that different regiments have their own colours, not all Krieg regiments wear blue jackets.
slow prawn
Correct me if I’m wrong here but can’t you just paint the correct colors on?
open marsh
cloud kindle
distinct lack of gold
while we talking about guard does the solar auxilia still have those sick carapace suits?
or did they go the way of the dodo after HH
open marsh
Correct me if I’m wrong here but can’t you just paint the correct colors on?
The problem is: they have officially depicted the 143rd Siege Regiment as wearing blue uniforms. When they dont. They wear grey.
Its why I made the comparison to a Biel-Tan aspect warrior being painted as yellow/blue. Because thats not Biel-Tan's color.
slow prawn
To be fair…GW is not the best at this kind of thing
They once referred to the Death Guard as the Seventh Legion
errant mauve
Or referring to the IW as the 3rd legion
errant mauve
Or referring to mk 2 armour as "Iron Armour"
tender igloo
Hot take from me: Chaos should never have been part of 40k and it would have been much more interesting without it
atomic pelican
Yeah. But Chaos in 40k couldve been better overall
errant mauve
Hot take from me: [Your favourite faction] is poopoo and [your least favourite faction] is totally based
glad prism
Get after it Mayo
atomic pelican
I do like chaos aesthetically and such but storywise it do be kinda boring
Strength be with our hazard stripe kin
tender igloo
chaos is far more interesting and cool in fantasy and AoS
errant mauve
I've been playing Chaos for 10 years and I've got to say they really haven't been the same ever since ADB destroyed undivided as a concept.
But that's a modern thing more than a criticism of Chaos overall. Chaos is still my favourite greater faction in 40k and I doubt it's gonna change 
atomic pelican
❤️
open marsh
Hot take from me: [Your favourite faction] is poopoo and [your least favourite f...
Now see. This guy has a point
open marsh
I've been playing Chaos for 10 years and I've got to say they really haven't bee...
This is why it is best to disregard ABD
errant mauve
But I really don't think 40k would be more interesting if any single faction was removed. It's a bit of a comparative issue in my opinion, Ch-AoS looks more interesting (for some haha) so 40khaos looks comparatively boring.
errant mauve
This is why it is best to disregard ABD
Reject ADB, Embrace Black Books.
tender igloo
i just personally think that if you took chaos out of the equation, you could get very similar results to what we have now
like you could still have the horus heresy and everything
but make it more about the hubris and folly of 2 men who think they know better than the other leading to the downfall of an empire, rather than chaos corrupted him to do it
basically lean into that aspect more
slow prawn
Unfortunately I don’t think that would work for certain factions, at least the Word Bearers
open marsh
Reject ADB, Embrace Black Books.
Yeah. ABD lost all respect from me when he got salty that Dan Abbnet showed that the Blood Ravens were Thousand Sons. ABD went on a rant on the forums
ABD hates traitor legion successors as much as he hates that Abbadon isnt the only thing of Chaos Undivided
errant mauve
At that point, you're sort of turning 40k into something else. I could say the same thing about removing the Imperium, you keep the Horus Heresy but have Big E and Terra destroyed at the end, and fill in the gap with Orks becoming the dominant power fighting Chaos. Same balance of power, same theme of eternal war, just much less gold and aquilas (much to my chagrin.)
Really, almost any faction in 40k is removable by that standard, so long as either Imperium or Chaos exists.
tender igloo
i guess i just think chaos was wasted in 40k unlike the other games
glad prism
I do get that impulse since they almost all without fail are uninspired and a bit of a bullshit way of trying to make a chapter unique, but ADB do be making a bit of an ass of himself too
The ranting in forums certainly do not help
errant mauve
i guess i just think chaos was wasted in 40k unlike the other games
A totally valid opinion to have. I definitely think they've neglected a lot of Chao's potential.
errant mauve
ABD hates traitor legion successors as much as he hates that Abbadon isnt the on...
While I don't personally find the idea of trait loyalists too interesting, I find it pretty ridiculous how hard ADB tries to force his own vision of 40k onto the actual setting. Just because there's something you don't like about the setting doesn't mean it should be retconned lol.
tender igloo
i do kind of find the idea amusing that they have been using traitor legion gene-seed and don't realize it
errant mauve
I guess this is part of the greater problem of "many writers writing the same setting results in bad results."
glad prism
Mayo is the voice of post-nut clarity made manifest
errant mauve
i do kind of find the idea amusing that they have been using traitor legion gene...
This is part of loyalist traitors I do like
Imagine a group of Ultras successors finding out they're Word Bearers 
glad prism
I just prefer ambiguity above all else, but yeah, if there's a way to do it, that's it
open marsh
While I don't personally find the idea of trait loyalists too interesting, I fin...
I mean, thats fine to not find them interesting. I find them the most interesting of all Astartes. While I find just traitors because "bad guys" to be very boring. Yet I dont think the traitor legions should be removed
errant mauve
Imagine a group of Ultras successors finding out they're Word Bearers <:excited:...
"Right lads, says on page 247 of the codex we need to shoot ourselves now, preferably in the head."
tender igloo
i mean the silver skulls are blatantly iron warrior loyalists
open marsh
Imagine a group of Ultras successors finding out they're Word Bearers <:excited:...
There are Salamanders successors who are actually Word bearers
open marsh
"Right lads, says on page 247 of the codex we need to shoot ourselves now, prefe...
Thats the Black Consuls
tender igloo
the sons of the phoenix are emperor's children
errant mauve
Too bad covenant of fire will never ever get lore again 
open marsh
Yeah
Their blurb was too "WE ARE WORD BEARERS!!!!" on the nose
GW aint gonna touch 'em again
glad prism
One of the few pretty primaris chapters no less
errant mauve
I mean, thats fine to not find them interesting. I find them the most interestin...
Funnily enough the same reason why I like loyalist traitors and generally don't like loyalists. Being the "good guys" (if you could call some chapters that) never really tickled my fancy.
tender igloo
weren't the minotaurs rumored to be loyalist world eaters? i can't remember
open marsh
Funnily enough the same reason why I like loyalist traitors and generally don't ...
The reason I like traitor legion loyalists is the same reason I like loyalist legion traitors
We need more Adharon's Reavers and Blood Wolves
errant mauve
Thats the Black Consuls
Or Hammers of Dorn. The one chapter to call out the Ultramarines themselves for not following the codex tightly enough.
slow prawn
Blood Wolves are amazing and I wish we had more of them
glad prism
Or Hammers of Dorn. The one chapter to call out the Ultramarines themselves for ...
Now sadly rendered invalid by virtue of how ugly they were made as Primaris
errant mauve
"Yeah we know your dad wrote this BUT WEARING YOUR DAMCOLES HONOURS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR CHESTPLATE IS A CLEAR INFRINGEMENT OF CLAUSE 537, SECTION 6, CLAUSE 27, SUBCLAUSE C, LINE 8"
- Hammers of Dorn, probably.
open marsh
These are probably my favorite Chaos Warband. Because they are basically AU Black Legion.
Even formerly of the "Sons of Guilliman" chapter. (referencing the Sons of Horus)
errant mauve
~~Now sadly rendered invalid by virtue of how ugly they were made as Primaris~~
#BringBackBlackandGold
Out with Halloween Marines!
open marsh
"Yeah we know your dad wrote this BUT WEARING YOUR DAMCOLES HONOURS ON THE LEFT ...
Also Black Consuls
I love/hate the Black Consuls. Because they are an entire chapter of just Leandros
errant mauve
Astartes Praeses chapters are all based 😎
open marsh
smiles in Sons of Malice
The madlads summoned a damned Chaos God into the Materium
Biggest PP energy
open marsh
You know I love my bitter boyos. But they havent summoned a god.
atomic pelican
I think chaos will improve when each legion gets their own codex ala thousand sons and deathguard
atomic pelican
:c
errant mauve
Here is hoping Nids and Eldar have better luck than us this year haha
atomic pelican
errant mauve
