Thats my favorite part of the lore, some legions were literally just written in to fall to chaos and its so funny
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
tawdry wyvern
They were bloodlusty brutes before too, just not that crazy
storm jungle
A legion obsessed with perfection and have purple heraldry?
open marsh
They were bloodlusty brutes before too, just not that crazy
Most legions were
tawdry wyvern
A legion obsessed with perfection and have purple heraldry?
Yup, exactly that
storm jungle
Yeah like make up any book excuse you want its still really on the nose
tawdry wyvern
But, to pick this up, that's the same reason, why it not impossible to become a tau marine. Have a chapter from a more reasonable pragmatic strain and give them a very bad day with the inquisition or something. Bam! tau marine
open marsh
Pretty much
storm jungle
Yeah thats the thing with 40k, the lore is incredibly interchangable
tawdry wyvern
Blue marine serving the blueberry...
open marsh
But, to pick this up, that's the same reason, why it not impossible to become a ...
Like the Imperium tasked them with a very hard job. Refused to supply them properly. Didn't honour their sacrifices.
Chapter says fuck it and leaves. Imperium gets it's whoppin' stick. Chapter flees. Tau offer a helping hand.
While at first it's begrudging. The Tau keep them well supplied and honour them. The Chapter then starts to settle in.
tawdry wyvern
There was a story, where defecting humans were mass sterilised by the tau. Well, astartes are sterile...
open marsh
The Tau do that sometimes. Granted, so does the Imperium
tawdry wyvern
They just got their hands on the geneseed and were looking for willing convertites. Now they are all sterile, but some became astartes. Gg ez. I should write w40k stories 
Oh, to make the story grimdark: tau turned the lamps off, it was dark
vast frigate
Guys look, i have my underwater skitarii right
And someone went ballistic over the use of solar auxilia suits due to how expensive it would be to make them for skitarii
If you want your tau marines. Make em.
It only pleases me that peolple can get mad over someone making models you own
weak fern
Get mad SM fans
A pure pleasure.
open marsh
And someone went ballistic over the use of solar auxilia suits due to how expens...
Just say they are diving suits
vast frigate
They are
barren tapir
And someone went ballistic over the use of solar auxilia suits due to how expens...
This make no sense... The biggest manufacturer of the imperium deeming too costly to equip its own forces with great armour...
vast frigate
Void sealed and pressure sealed go hand in hand
vast frigate
Also, considering its my army and my guys went on underwater constructions and warfare for the better part of 2000 years
open marsh
This make no sense... The biggest manufacturer of the imperium deeming too costl...
Grognards going grog and nard
vast frigate
I think they got real good experience with making the pog suits
weak fern
Should i work more about my Fanmade AdMech....but what's next now...
vast frigate
@open marsh nah theyre based on me liking ocean exploration and dieselpunk suits
And space vastaya
open marsh
<@237268583149731840> nah theyre based on me liking ocean exploration and diesel...
Which is the asthetic of Subject Delta. So I was close
tawdry wyvern
If you want your tau marines. Make em.
This exactly. It's a hobby
vast frigate
And cool aesthetic
barren tapir
I might make sisters of the greater good just to piss people off
Already made by someone else
The order of the common weal
vast frigate
I never said it was a new idea
vast frigate
Im aware yeah
barren tapir
^the common weal
vast frigate
Imagine sobs with fusion blades lmao
open marsh
Why not
Something something zealots something something cringe something something I just hate Tau and you should stop liking what I dont like
tawdry wyvern
There are even some funny ork/tau kitbashes
weak fern
XD
tawdry wyvern
tawdry wyvern
Me like very much 
weak fern
tawdry wyvern
The greater Gork
coarse mirage
There was a story, where defecting humans were mass sterilised by the tau. Well,...
Wasn't that the Kaura'va campaign in Dawn of War, which isn't canon?
barren tapir
It is also in it, but it is part of deathwatch codex too iirc
coarse mirage
I know they're on a more obvious murder campaign though
tawdry wyvern
I only know from the deathwatch part. But I thought Dawn of war is pretty much canon. Or do you mean the outcome of the campaign that got officially chosen?
coarse mirage
I only know from the deathwatch part. But I thought Dawn of war is pretty much c...
The Space Marine ending is the canon one yeah
tawdry wyvern
Oh, good to know. I thought they lost that campaign
barren tapir
Lol, no, SM got owned on kaurava
IIRC the canon ending of soulstorm was orks winning
Yep, ork won soulstorm
storm jungle
I do like how all of the blame on it is on Boreale too
good thing he actually died there
open marsh
tawdry wyvern
Yep, ork won soulstorm
Heh, also nice outcome
tawdry wyvern
I do like how all of the blame on it is on Boreale too
I'm sure I've seen him hang out with diomedes afterwards
open marsh
Yep, ork won soulstorm
Orkz won DoW3 as well
coarse mirage
"A beign that cold and callous was not worthy of worship." - Guilliman reasoning about the Emperor
tawdry wyvern
Should've told this to his idiot brother lorgar about the chaos gods
coarse mirage
Guilliman
coarse mirage
Wow this is a big insight
Guilliam recalls his meeting with the Emperor
in detail
coarse mirage
didnt remember how to tag so I removed :p
primal tide
Wanting to avoid spoilers is just something big companies have cultivated as a social norm in order to better line their pockets
It is a moral imperative to spoiler
gaunt vector
didnt remember how to tag so I removed :p
Highlight the text and then a menu comes up
||u can chose to do it there||
its the icon with the eye
then u can put it back up because they were really good quotes
coarse mirage
Severe Autism rather
But I think it comes with being so old and eternal
You lose that part of yourself
open marsh
Meh. Its more ADHD. His mind going in a thousand directions at once
coarse mirage
But it later goes on to say something more positive
open marsh
But with extreme effort he can somewhat focus
open marsh
And in the end of the book. When shit hits the fan. All those thoughts come back together and you can throw your full might at a problem
(another trait of ADHD)
storm jungle
I really dont think you can tie mental illnesses to a giant super-psyker half-alive corpse
storm jungle
Whatever floats your boat
open marsh
Am just having a spot o fun
open marsh
I identify as one of the primarchs because I had an abusive childhood and later found out my mother knew what was happening and just turned her back to not "break the peace in the family"
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
cool
final spruce
k
cerulean wagon
prob not something for lore chat
open marsh
That original short story is good too
storm jungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSEVCs8o0H8
Oh hey the reupload
thank GOD someone saved it
all that effort just to be deleted after its completion was yikes
open marsh
Thunder Warriors > Astartes
cerulean wagon
🤷
storm jungle
odd sparrow
r/atheism
odd tulip
Reading the Last Church with the context of modern 40k in mind, I find it immensely humorous that Uriah was proven right. In fact, I'd bet that the Emperor, sitting on that throne of his, is starting to embrace some of Uriah's beliefs.
Only took him 10,000 years of stubbornness, but hey, it's progress
prime kernel
@odd tulip The last church is the best man
open marsh
Reading the Last Church with the context of modern 40k in mind, I find it immens...
Well the actual irony is that Uriah was a warning to Big E of what people will think of him, if he doesnt stop being so extra
odd tulip
Spoiler: he never stopped being extra
plucky moth
open marsh
coarse mirage
"My name is not important" oh fuck off
Whoever voices the big lad, I recognize him
the Marianer Canyon? Oof
coarse mirage
Did this story take place pre-Astartes?
barren tapir
Since the destroyers of that church are astartes i highly doubt that
storm jungle
Did this story take place pre-Astartes?
Pre-Astartes we know
so its just the Thunder Warriors
space marines actually took part in the unification wars but it was small ops so they werent a huge part of it
coarse mirage
I need to know the name of whoever voices Apocalypsis
gaunt vector
the 9th legion got quite big pretty quiclkly
coarse mirage
The anti-religious argument that he makes falls sorta flat when you know that gods actually exist in 40k
coarse mirage
The Frank? God damned French, still around
storm jungle
what about Jermani
visual pumice
Jerma?
atomic pelican
the jermaites
primal tide
Jermani is ruled by a giant rat that makes all of the rules
odd tulip
The anti-religious argument that he makes falls sorta flat when you know that go...
The Emperor knew about that gods at that point, his idea was that eliminating religion would starve them to death.
Didn't work out so great.
frosty cobalt
Didn't work out so great.
humans biggest power is belief, the emps thought he could take it away, but instead refocused it on himself
odd tulip
Faith is a weapon, and one the Emperor feared. His new plan seems to be to utilise it.
primal tide
I think his new plan is currently: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
frosty cobalt
Faith is a weapon, and one the Emperor feared. His new plan seems to be to utili...
"if ya cant beat em, join em"
coarse mirage
I think his new plan is currently: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
frosty cobalt
my friend is playing the nids in gladius so i sent him this to get him in the mindset of what he was doing to those poor IG
primal tide
Yee I love that exerpt
cerulean wagon
its great
cerulean wagon
my friend is playing the nids in gladius so i sent him this to get him in the mi...
hope hes enjoyin gladius
honestly think is amazing fun for what it is
frosty cobalt
honestly think is amazing fun for what it is
oh yes, its great fun
cerulean wagon
crisp heath
oh yes, its great fun
I guess you can say he
Nids
To see that excerpt-
coarse mirage
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/igarpv/excerptthe_last_hunt_a_human_cr...
What book is this?
cerulean wagon
ye basically its got that exert as a cool opening
then its just standard bolter porn
crisp heath
It's not that hard to find a uhh
Copy online
If you just google it funny enough lol
snow rampart
odd sparrow
Forever horny for new blood knights
open marsh
lofty storm
Do not allow @placid timber to see this.
placid timber
@lofty storm im sorry what?
peak hamlet
Lmfao
visual pumice
primal tide
Quite wight you are, there
odd sparrow
do you wish to die
peak hamlet
Who doesnt 😎
odd sparrow
sir
atomic pelican
this is a wendy's
odd sparrow
,, tbh it does occur to me my use of sir in that context is just an abridged version of wendy's
why is my vocabulary defined by memes
lofty storm
@placid timber RIP
primal tide
Memes have an uncanny ability to over wight our natural expressions
odd sparrow
dna
atomic pelican
your memes end here jack
visual pumice
primal tide
Damn, I have gotten lost in the sauce I think
primal tide
"the only true bright spot in nurgles personality is the unconditional love he feels for his devoted wife, Isha"
storm jungle
atomic pelican
wholesome 
primal tide
The couple that cooks up plagues together, stays together
placid timber
Isnt isha imprisoned?
visual pumice
yes
placid timber
Idk wtf is going on with eldar gods
odd tulip
Mostly being dead, yeah
storm jungle
Khaine broken into tiny angry pieces
Cegorach is in the webway
Yvraine is in the respawining room
gaunt vector
>Yvraine is in the respawining room
Ynnead
gaunt vector
?
atomic pelican
eldar gods dont die they just respawn - gamergrind
storm jungle
They're both forgotten and half-dead tbh
primal tide
>Khaine broken into tiny angry pieces
I love the fact that the peices are actually canonically angry
storm jungle
I thought there was the Ycarne thing
Final piece they need is in the palace of slaanesh and they got their asses kicked
so that plot is done
atomic pelican
lmao
gaunt vector
so that plot is done
F
visual pumice
thought isha was alive? she whispers the cures to nurgles diseases or some pish
odd tulip
'How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence.'
gaunt vector
thought isha was alive? she whispers the cures to nurgles diseases or some pish
she is
atomic pelican
Isha is still alive she's just a petri dish
primal tide
Lmao
primal tide
I know, gives me a giggle every time
odd tulip
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cChCEM_8ZOe0V16-WWu-9GF4B8j7tePRGNS...
Of course he's mad, GW keeps killing him to show how strong other people are.
odd tulip
'member that time marneus calgar fisted one to death? How the fuck did that happen?
primal tide
Tfw getting jobbed is literally your job
atomic pelican
Love the fact that the ClownGod™️ is the best left off eldar god
slaanesh literally getting clowned on daily
storm jungle
also the fact that he just peaced out when he realised everyone was gonna get vored
clownery wins the day
primal tide
coarse mirage
aka something-something superpower-jojo-move
frosty cobalt
i forgot i had this great map saved i love looking at this
storm jungle
^
like i wouldnt make that jab but GW actually made a galaxy map
of course its just "heres the location of the marine homeworlds, eldar craftworlds, necron or ork zones" etc
its just way too handwavy
frosty cobalt
way too vague yea, kinda more style over substance
frosty cobalt
i like this map cause it reminds me of chapter master, may the emperor guide that wonderful game to a peaceful end
frosty cobalt
yea its like the 4th rendition of the map
frosty cobalt
the true imperium sim
knock knock its the inquisition again
storm jungle
but yeah i really hope a game like Chapter Master is made one day
its such a niche thing
frosty cobalt
but such a good game for 40k, a 'business tycoon' game is a great way to show the scale of it all
id love one for the orks, gotta manage ur boyz, or a nid one where u gotta make evolution choices and stuff
i think the tycoon framework is one of the best genres for 40k
frosty cobalt
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5c/Scribe.jpg/revision/l...
you're in her dms, im sending her entire planet into a meat grinder because of a bureaucratic mistake, we are not the same
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Domino meme but its "some bureaucrat forgetting the tau exist" and the end is "imperials seething"
dense glen
i think the tycoon framework is one of the best genres for 40k
Chris Sawyer brings the next game in his hit "Tycoon" series of games.. "Chapter Tycoon"
dim totem
Chris Sawyer brings the next game in his hit "Tycoon" series of games.. "Chapter...
I want this
cerulean wagon
IG regiment tycoon
so we can release catachan devils into the park with civilians
as is your duty as a tycoon player
odd sparrow
im still not sure of how tau hair works
like, a few models depict it as coming p much out of the top back area of the scalp, but others have it coming out of the side
does it just vary by tau
F for the poor tau who has their hair growing exclusively out of their forehead
cerulean wagon
just a really long fringe
storm jungle
Historical and cursed
odd sparrow
i hate it
dim totem
I think they look dope
Wouldn't do it myself bc I'd look like an even bigger jackass but still
storm jungle
lmao
odd sparrow
it's weird hair
odd sparrow
this one looks lowkey p good
odd sparrow
plus the bang looking things are nice
storm jungle
All because of Horus, because of the brightest bastard son, the bringer of new strife.
Dorn heard stone splinter. He looked down, he had punched his fist, his Imperial fist, through a block of stone in the parapet. He had barely registered the impact. The block was pulverised.
"My lord, is everything all right?“
barren tapir
Is this the new HH book?
final spruce
Imperial fist
final spruce
Is this the new HH book?
Lightning tower is 2007
barren tapir
Oh
cerulean wagon
god thats aweful
gusty fulcrum
Chris Sawyer brings the next game in his hit "Tycoon" series of games.. "Chapter...
Hive tycoon
Forgeworld Tycoon
Agriworld tycoon
Rogue Tycoon(rogue trader)
Underhive Tycoon Expansion for hive tycoon
The Greater Tycoon(tau)
primal tide
> All because of Horus, because of the brightest bastard son, the bringer of new...
Corax stopped the incoming sword, catching it with his chainsword's guard, its raven guard
storm jungle
I crave death
barren tapir
These puns
storm jungle
the worst part is i can see it happening
primal tide
Omegon ate his soup, his alphabet soup
summer niche
tiny nova
treat those HH chuds how they deserve to be treated
final spruce
Great
storm jungle
open marsh
Ferris Manus grasped the weapon in his _iron hands_
His warhammer 40,000
gaunt vector
How long was Abnett waiting to make that joke?
years?
decades?
just before he could write a single joke into a Rogal Dorn book
median sundial
"Dorn's clenched into an imperial fist."
serene jungle
o ET is offline, rip
open marsh
The 1st Legion descended upon their foes. The Emperor's Astartes fell like a shadow of darkness over them. His Angels of Death. his Dark Angels.
gaunt vector
by this logic the 3rd should be called The Emperor's Grandchildren
storm jungle
it never ends
coarse mirage
Konrad curzed his bad luck
cloud kindle
Lorgar.
coarse mirage
Lorgar was no more gar
odd tulip
If you think about it too much, literally every space marine chapter has an exceedingly stupid name
tender igloo
like the Ultramarines who believe it or not, are not actually the color ultramarine.
tender igloo
shocking I know
was in tears when i found out
drinking the pain away didn't help any as well
atomic pelican
Going to start eating my little plastic men to make me feel better
acrylic paints take the edge away
potent swift
Been listening to the Infinite and the Divine audiobook and I'm about 90% sure Trazyn's voice actor is the same as Katakros from the OBR trailer
potent swift
They both got the same accent too and it kinda bothers me that I can't place it
open marsh
They both got the same accent too and it kinda bothers me that I can't place it
They have the same voice modular installed
storm jungle
like the Ultramarines who believe it or not, are not actually the color ultramar...
Tbh not even memeing i felt really stupid when i first realised that
since as most people probably did before I just thought it was meaning "ULTRA" as in the SUPER BEST marines
open marsh
Random half-asleep though: Cadian-style Imperial Guardsmen with autoguns = Halo's UNSC troopers
barren tapir
I forgive the fact that you still didn't made this juxtaposition until now because you are half-asleep, but yes, you are right, although it would be wiser to use the UNSC army more than marines
odd sparrow
tbh they look p much identical in any case
barren tapir
There are differences between the army and the marines though
marsh grail
like the Ultramarines who believe it or not, are not actually the color ultramar...
So what color are they?
storm jungle
Random half-asleep though: Cadian-style Imperial Guardsmen with autoguns = Halo'...
Yeah because "green army men" is an aesthetic
so they obviously are going to look similiar
storm jungle
Hes doing his best
open marsh
Yeah because "green army men" is an aesthetic
Yeah but be an easy and fun reference
storm jungle
You mean Halo referencing 40k or the opposite?
open marsh
storm jungle
open marsh
open marsh
They're all just marines from aliens anyway
storm jungle
Aliens came out before too soo i wouldnt be surprised with the inspiration
open marsh
Aliens came out before too soo i wouldnt be surprised with the inspiration
The original Starship troopers book came out before aliens
storm jungle
So?
open marsh
willow tundra
Yea the move is waaaay different
open marsh
It wasnt standard. They had regular armour too that the movies were based on.....
storm jungle
Yeah but that still doesnt really explain anything, I doubt Verhooven was like
"hey they mention this side armor in the book, lets do that"
open marsh
Yeah but that still doesnt really explain anything, I doubt Verhooven was like
......Im just gonna leave you to it.
storm jungle
You're the one making it weird but sure
willow tundra
open marsh
I might start playing a game here where I post something and time it before the "um ackshully" starts
storm jungle
I'm not still sure what you're getting at
Verhooven himself said he didnt read the book fully through and i really doubt he got the idea of the federation body armor from it, you're always the one wanting to die on a hill when everyone disagrees with you 🤷♀️
storm jungle
Wut
open marsh
I just posted similar looking armor because it was matching the theme of the armors already posted. and suddenly Im flooded with "um akshully". And Im over here like "...nanidafuq?
open marsh
Didnt know solar radiation caused people to turn into jerks
barren tapir
It does
But it is less solar radiation and more heat
There is a reason if we say that someone is a chill person when it is... Well, chill
coarse mirage
I read the conversation and I don't understand why there's an argument at all.
open marsh
Me neither
storm jungle
You were the one going "akshually" to start with on the matter, thats really all I'll say on the matter and leave it be
open marsh
And here you go again
open marsh
At this point, you are just being an asshole
cerulean wagon
primal tide
Im wondering why yall try to turn everything into a debate
I want to frame this comment
weak fern
Oh god
barren tapir
Is that salt?
weak fern
I see the conversation
barren tapir
Heroes never dies
weak fern
Alot of Salt for me
barren tapir
I was asking why mercy with a lot of salt
barren tapir
Anyway, we should talk lore, so how is going on with the creation of the lore of your FW?
weak fern
I make a break because of Plastic crack... and Mordheim capture me
weak fern
Yup
open marsh
Im trying to figure out what the Steamblood Zouaves power armour looked like
I have the book so Im going through it bit by bit an isolating any description of the armours
open marsh
Isolated all information about the power armour. doesnt do too much to help
coarse mirage
Listening to this book trio (on second book though) I feel like it's entirely possible that the Emperor would want to erradicate parts of the Imperium if he came back. So I feel that Horus and the gang were right in that regard. The Primaris, while not the Emperors creation, are in a way part of that replacing of the Space Marines that they feared.
jaunty bobcat
damn, thats interesting
jaunty bobcat
🤔 so this is what an infantry regiment looks like
have a buddy that always plays guard like this in tourneys.. pisses alot of people off
atomic pelican
Huh, any reason theyd get mad?
I love going against infantry swarms
So many things to kill
Esp squishy guard infantry
jaunty bobcat
Huh, any reason theyd get mad?
it can be very annoying to deal with in objective campaigns
odd sparrow
otherwise known as: can u clear this gigantic blob of trash off of the objectives
final spruce
Huh, any reason theyd get mad?
Because not all armies, even SM have the power to clean off 150 guardsmen with objective secure that can move up to 18" in a single turn
Actuall you could go easily up to 200 now that I think of it, of just pure troup
open marsh
summary: IG are the backbone of the Imperial military powerhouse and at the end of the day all you need are a bunch of Guardsmen with lasguns to secure victory
Everything else is just force multipliers and fancy support units
open marsh
Its accurate in every way
Fun note: Constantine Valdor actually disagreed with the Emperor's plan to use transhuman soldiers as the Imperium's main force. Valdor advocated only using Imperial Army regiments, lead by Custodes.
barren tapir
Yeah, or to have custodes leading SM too, i can understand why he only trust custodes, but big E objective was to bring humanity up, to improve it, not to lead it like cattle
open marsh
Hence the use of Army regiments. A "they will rescue themselves". Instead of needing to be herded by barely human behemoths.
barren tapir
I would have loved if big E was more coherent and instead of having the imperial army as imperial auxilia was a regular conquering army, we have seen that it was completely capable to do those campaign alone, he just wanted to do stuff quickly, which for one guy who passed more than 30K years in the background is kinda ironic
open marsh
I see Big E's idea. Sort of. Besides the brutal effectiveness of the Astartes, I think he wanted to also have said Astartes around to essentially beat people back in line. Like, once the Great Crusade was over and humanity was secured. The Astartes were to be used to protect them from themselves.
cerulean wagon
its also because in big es perfect vision humanity were the peak race and would become more than they once were, so astartes needed to be an almost ideal to strive for as well as a force strong enough to police such a new race
open marsh
....you cant evolve to Astartes
cerulean wagon
you can strive for something that is unobtainable
that is human nature
i mean, look where it left big e
open marsh
watches a Big E bitchslaps Nurgle and permanently scars him
storm jungle
Oh no how will an eldritch entity that's been around for billions of years recover from such a terrible blow
open marsh
that unified humanity?
Still kicking after 10,000 years. Despite constant attacks from Chaos and Xenos
cerulean wagon
and still following the imperial truth ye?
storm jungle
Still kicking after 10,000 years. Despite constant attacks from Chaos and Xenos
by being un-unified as ever, splintered and being on the verge of destruction and only isnt because the Imperium needs to exist to sell models?
open marsh
And yet. It still stands
storm jungle
Because it sells lol
the necrons could just boop terra out of existence but dont
because reason here
open marsh
“For more than ten millennia, during which our enemies within and without have fallen, this Imperium has stood fast. Those who wished it to fall have failed and will continue to fail as long as we, the Emperor’s chosen sons, uphold our duty. Only by protecting Humanity can we truly honour the proudest monument to His great works. For the Emperor!”
storm jungle
I'll trust Big E saying the Imperium is doomed more than a random quote from a brainwashed zealot
the Imperium's entire theme across countless books is that its suppose to be a crumbling empire. The marketing just doesnt portray it for obvious reasons.
open marsh
same as how the eldar are supposed to be on the verge of extinction, but GW are too cowardly to actually have them die off
open marsh
Except Orkz. Because the Orkz are best
storm jungle
And Nids
open marsh
storm jungle
And Necrons
but yeah another 3 points as usual for bringing the eldar up again for no reason other than to try and bait me
open marsh
So dont get salty if I respond in kind
open marsh
Yeah sure. Okay. You cant see how that baited me, yet you instantly recognize the same when I just swap from Imperium to Eldar
Sure
storm jungle
....because you did it like 3 times over the last 2 weeks
I am allowed to notice a pattern.
Also I'm being serious if I wanted to bait you id just bring up an argument like GSC in Necromunda again
🤷♀️
open marsh
See this is why Im starting to dread coming here. Having a good time then someone tries to start a fight
open marsh
Me, Van Saar, and even Skele were having a good time
cerulean wagon
"trying to start a fight"
we literaly just joined a convo and you started a fight because it was me talking
open marsh
Uhh....when did I "start fighting" just because it was you?
cerulean wagon
I'd imagine you'd know that strive doesnt mean evolve
and you were nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking
open marsh
You are really looking for a problem where none exists. Arent you
coarse mirage
God damn you people are really pissy
coarse mirage
You're not making hens out of feathers, you're making Ultra Mega Chicken.
He is legend.
open marsh
cloud kindle
im gonna start a fight
coarse mirage
Hearing a characters thoughts in this book
"I could not have imagined being carried to the sky by angels"
I go IIIN THE AAAARMS OF AN ANGEEEL
coarse mirage
im gonna start a fight
#Magnusdidnothingwrong
cloud kindle
#Magnusdidnothingwrong
storm jungle
⚰️ 
Also as usual I must remind everyone
Magnus did everything wrong
Leman did nothing right
open marsh
Can have Arkan Confederate DLC in Darktide?
open marsh
glad prism
Aw shit, here we go again
proven condor
Literally just space confederates... reflect on that
peak hamlet
Nazi ig when?
peak hamlet
For real tho why do people think just because warhammer takes historical elements its ok to paint swastika or some shit on your minis
barren tapir
Normal swastika or nazi swastika?
barren tapir
Normal one is fine i think, it is a way more ancient symbol, and we should also clear the symbols that got soiled by nazi
proven condor
Doesn't excuse taking blatantly racist and absolutely horrible people and turning them into something in 40k (and if you read the homebrew actively glorify them)
peak hamlet
Normal swastika or nazi swastika?
Nazi one ofc, do you think the average warhammer player knows there were non nazi ones first?
weak fern
XD
proven condor
I'm sure you can explain your blatantly werhmacht looking ig regiment with swastikas on it by saying "It's a hindu symbol! They're peace guys!"
barren tapir
Nazi one ofc, do you think the average warhammer player knows there were non naz...
Let me live in hope of a informed population... But yeah, nazi swastika is a big F you to the guy
storm jungle
I'm sure you can explain your blatantly werhmacht looking ig regiment with swast...
At least the iron cross isnt as bad
especially since its used everywhere
barren tapir
Iron cross is lit!
peak hamlet
Let me live in hope of a informed population... But yeah, nazi swastika is a big...
This
barren tapir
Yup
proven condor
Isn't as sullied is the term, I'd still avoid using it due to the connotations
weak fern
barren tapir
I really really like the iron cross
proven condor
just come up with your own symbols, why have we got to find an excuse to cram horrible pieces of shit into our future fantasy plastic toy game
storm jungle
But yeah like
The Arkan Confederates (also erroneously spelled "Arkhan", see note) are the Imperial Guard Regiments hailing from the world of Providence.[1a] Known actions include battling the Tau Empire and their rebellious Human allies on the world of Phaedra.[1c]
peak hamlet
Yeah this is 100% fine
storm jungle
Not surprised these guys are in a tau book
proven condor
Arkhan confederates are the worst homebrew regiment I've read
barren tapir
warhammer fantasy might have been the thing that sold me on it <:lul:82583625585...
I fell in love with it reading its history
storm jungle
Arkhan confederates are the worst homebrew regiment I've read
They arent homebrew
thats the funny part
proven condor
Either way worst regiment I've ever read
storm jungle
Yep fair enough
proven condor
Glorifying some of the worst people on the planet
and portraying them as the "good guys"
actual cringe
I'd love to see someone try to justify why they like them, would make my day
glad prism
actual cringe
Masochism. I'm here for it.
barren tapir
I just read about them, the regiment as it is looks nice, the inspiration and appearance of it not really...
barren tapir
It should have been more original instead of going for the CSA
odd sparrow
fighting for their subsector rights™️
glad prism
Its the historical malding of that homebrew that gets me
barren tapir
People who fought for the right to own humans
Yes, i know enough about them to know that, and i agree, it is an awful inspiration to take from
barren tapir
Its the historical malding of that homebrew that gets me
They aren't homebrew
Unless there is also an homebrew version
glad prism
One went up on the fandom wiki some time last week
odd sparrow
and how many of them deep down dont really like minorities
barren tapir
I have no idea, i tend to not look too much to homebrew
proven condor
and how many of them deep down dont really like minorities
The amount of 40k fans with internalised hatred for marginalised people is astounding
glad prism
I typically shy away from all the fandom wikis, but I was looking for something in particular and stumbled across it
proven condor
and then express it through their hobby
glad prism
Not particularly internalised to a not insignificant number of people in the community
proven condor
true
glad prism
Its one thing to use inspiration from these awful chapters and people in history to comment on its nature and enrich storytelling to some extent, but another to just suck it off.
odd sparrow
Gamers™️
coarse mirage
I'm never far away from a hard R. My gun is loaded for when I most need it.
proven condor
what
plucky moth
📈
open marsh
Literally just space confederates... reflect on that
Uh yeah? Its in the name. You could have Captain Beauregard.
Bowie Knife melee weapon
Or cavalryman's saber
Get a gatling gun-like rotor cannon
proven condor
That's not a good thing
open marsh
The Imperium is not a good place
proven condor
I'm talking about the whole guard regiment based around people who fought for the right to own humans...
open marsh
Im pointing out that they would be right at home in the grimdarkness of 40k.
proven condor
They don't fit in at all... steampunk slave owners in a horrific sci fi universe
let alone the whole glorifying the confederacy part
open marsh
They don't fit in at all... steampunk slave owners in a horrific sci fi universe
Thatsright within 40k
You are aware slavery is legal in the Imperium. Yes?
proven condor
That doesn't mean it's something to be glorified
What I'm trying to say is it's not a good thing to outwardly state that you clearly like this regiment based around people who fought to own slaves
glad prism
Its the intent and execution of the writer he's on about, Medic.
open marsh
Who said anything about glorifying it? Well, beyond what 40k already does
open marsh
i have
Fire Caste
Im still wanting to get a better visual idea of what the Steamblood Zouaves armour looked like
proven condor
Then you would know that the writer literally spins the the American civil war so that the confederates (people who fought to own humans btw) are the good guys
open marsh
Then you would know that the writer literally spins the the American civil war s...
Not the good guys. Just the Imperium loyalists. because Union's morality would have never stood Imperial law.
odd sparrow
tbh it's just like. what's this author on that they're so enthusiastic about writing about the confederates
glad prism
There are meant to be no good guys, so it comes across as pretty egregious even in the context of 40k with the way its carried out.
odd sparrow
it has bad vibes
proven condor
I'm not talking about the universe, I'm talking about the intention of the author
desert gate
Yeah let's be real here. 40k is a fictional universe and 100% doesn't need space confederates in it
proven condor
I'm sure an SS themed guard regiment would fit right at home in 40k, would it be a good idea to publicly defend it?
open marsh
tbh it's just like. what's this author on that they're so enthusiastic about wri...
A way to have old time space 'murrica. But without villianizing the U.S., given how vile the Imperium is by our standards of morality. Thus using the CSA as a stand in, since their morality would be more in alignment with the Imperium
desert gate
Regardless of if they would be accepted in universe they are universally reviled out of it
odd sparrow
A way to have old time space 'murrica. But without villianizing the U.S., given ...
Counterpoint: it's weird
desert gate
It's just not necessary
proven condor
Mask off moment
desert gate
And anyone fighting this hard about it has some suspect confederate sympathies imo
glad prism
Barring that the Union didn't really do it entirely out of altruism, historians reflect this, and its not a shared attribute here
odd sparrow
oh man have we got an actual CSA defendant
open marsh
I'm sure an SS themed guard regiment would fit right at home in 40k, would it be...
Eh. the Armageddeon Steel Legion is based on WWII Wehrmacht Panzergrenadiers.
barren tapir
They get their asses kicked if i understood the theme of the book correctly
vapid tiger
I mean the Steel Legion are blatantly ww2 german inspired but tbf aren't as on the nose about it as the Arkan Confederates
odd sparrow
sir can we see ur bedroom i wanna note the flags
proven condor
Eh. the Armageddeon Steel Legion is based on WWII Wehrmacht Panzergrenadiers.
and have none of the background based on people who wanted to own people
They look like them
cerulean wagon
Na krug they arent even german themed
odd sparrow
also idk where u get the idea that SL is based off german stuff
desert gate
I'm just dumbfounded
cerulean wagon
GW only really did that kinda theming for old SM art
odd sparrow
it's the mechanised infantry gimmicked regiment
cerulean wagon
which was uhhh
open marsh
and have none of the background based on people who wanted to own people
Man if the idea of slavery in the Imperium upsets you that bad, then I'd advise you not to look very hard into the lore
odd sparrow
SIR
desert gate
How could anyone actually think justifying them is a good look
odd sparrow
Stop playing devils advocate lol nobody is debating u on the fluff
ppl are just saying that hey
desert gate
And now he's just not addressing it lmao
vapid tiger
Na krug they arent even german themed
No what I mean is that the steel legion look like ww2 germans it's just that uh
It's solely an aesthetic and nothing else about them is german
odd sparrow
memeing about confederate stuff isn't the best of looks
proven condor
The idea of slavery in the imperium doesn't upset me. The idea of someone writing about the confederates as the good guys...
vapid tiger
Arkan Confederates are creepily on the nose about being space CSA soldiers though
proven condor
Also you clearly don't know me then...
odd sparrow
Im gonna bring up statues
cerulean wagon
No what I mean is that the steel legion look like ww2 germans it's just that uh
...
Na the uniforms are american, its their weird mech infantry helmets. People just jump to german because masks
and because its on the uhhh
whatever its called
vapid tiger
That's fair
odd sparrow
I kinda wonder like
cerulean wagon
1d4 chan?
glad prism
Bro, read the lore, it's historical fanfiction transplanted into 40k by a butthurt south will rise again stan.
desert gate
Excuse me everyone I would like to take a pole
odd sparrow
what's to blame for wehraboos associating gas masks with their german pseudo fascist power fantasies
desert gate
React with 😶🌫️ if you think the CSA was bad
odd sparrow
like, where did it start
barren tapir
Excuse me everyone I would like to take a pole
What do you have to do that require a pole?
odd tulip
Painting your army in the colours of the CSA is fine, as long as you recognise the CSA was decidedly not in the right. I'm pretty lax on enforcement around here, but I will not have lost cause confederates defending their slave states.
cerulean wagon
like, where did it start
people being very very simple
desert gate
I would like to note
odd sparrow
ye that's a given we're talking about wehraboos here
odd tulip
Painting your DKoK as wehrmacht is cool, don't pretend nazis aren't bad.
vapid tiger
I think painting your army in CSA colors is fine as long as there's no CSA symbols associated with it
desert gate
That medic did not react with a 😶🌫️
cerulean wagon
odd sparrow
brain
desert gate
I feel I have made my point about anyone defending that regiment
vapid tiger
Same thing with painting up your IG in wehrmacht colors as long as you don't paint swastikas
Only issue is that most people who do paint their IG in wehrmacht colors are wehraboos 95% of the time
cerulean wagon
glove reveal when
atomic pelican
THE GLOVES
odd sparrow
no only if the gas mask covers only parts of the face
storm jungle
🧤
odd sparrow
can't be the entire thing
open marsh
Painting your army in the colours of the CSA is fine, as long as you recognise t...
To clarify, to make damn sure my words are not being twisted. I do not defend the CSA. They were objectively in the wrong.
odd tulip
Good man
odd sparrow
Same thing with painting up your IG in wehrmacht colors as long as you don't pai...
cus why else would u paint a model army like nazis
desert gate
Then why didn't you put a 😶🌫️ hmm
vapid tiger
*cus why else would u paint a model army like nazis*
exactly
Unless it's historical
proven condor
Sounds like you're hella into the CSA though...
odd sparrow
ye ofc
barren tapir
Now, lest not start a witch hunt shall we
vapid tiger
because that shit's hilarious
odd sparrow
Yeah that's like, satire vibes. It doesn't have the same glorification vibes
vapid tiger
ya
odd tulip
Now, lest not start a witch hunt shall we
BURN PURGE KILL
barren tapir
BURN PURGE KILL
KILL MAIM BURN
glad prism
The bar really is beneath the floor.
cerulean wagon
van you don't need to force yourself to devils advocate every conversation
open marsh
Sounds like you're hella into the CSA though...
Im from the south. And seeing a CSA regiment in 40k is interesting due to my own background. Now, in our world, the CSA were shitbags. But in 40k, where the Imperium is based on being necessary shitbags, the CSA would fit.
cerulean wagon
odd sparrow
why is the CSA being in 40k interesting? like
barren tapir
van you don't need to force yourself to devils advocate every conversation
It is more me not liking witch hunts tbh
odd sparrow
idk what that's exploring
odd tulip
Im from the south. And seeing a CSA regiment in 40k is interesting due to my own...
Notably, the Imperium doesn't use racism in the traditional context.
atomic pelican
Jokerfied
desert gate
It is more me not liking witch hunts tbh
Its not a witch hunt when they are this blatant
atomic pelican
Im from the south and the csa and this regiment are cringe
odd sparrow
CSA is p simple, it's just rich landowners getting all the moronic racists to fight a war for their profits margins
glad prism
Shitbags sure, necessary shitbags, go for it, but the lore definitely doesn't satirise or make any active commentary on what it's parodying.
odd sparrow
like, idk
odd tulip
You could paint CSA guard and then have their fluff be that they really hate xenos/mutants, but we already have 100 SM and IG chapters/reg's that do that
glad prism
In this case
odd sparrow
there isn't a lot to work with there
proven condor
check out my cool guard army they fit right in in 40k because they're racist
vapid tiger
Im from the south. And seeing a CSA regiment in 40k is interesting due to my own...
tbf though I think the arkan confederates are way too on the nose
I dislike the fact they have crossed sabres as their symbol for example
glad prism
This is in no way ironic based off my reading.
odd sparrow
if anything nazis are sorta more interesting to write about cus they were weird
vapid tiger
It's almost like painting swastikas on red scorpions
odd sparrow
CSA is just tame bad
open marsh
Notably, the Imperium doesn't use racism in the traditional context.
Yup. human is human.
glad prism
B-but! My southern heritage!
UwU
vapid tiger
Like, Red Scorpions are nazi marines but it's not so blatantly in your face as to have iron crosses and swastikas all over them
atomic pelican
Dicksie regiment
odd sparrow
tbh at this point i associate the iron cross more with kruber than anything nazi
a drastic improvement
odd tulip
I wanna have my dixie regiment!
"a-way down south in the land of traitors,
Rattlesnakes and alligators."
glad prism
Wait till you hear of a concubine corps I heard was being workshopped once
vapid tiger
How bad the iron cross is depends on context compared to the swastika
storm jungle
tbh at this point i associate the iron cross more with kruber than anything nazi
this is a mood
glad prism
Granted, not 40k, but just as sus
storm jungle
that and his groin
desert gate
Hey guys I was thinking of making a Pol Pot inspired guard commander because I think he would totally be accepted in the 40k universe what do you think????
odd tulip
Hey guys I was thinking of making a Pol Pot inspired guard commander because I t...
Execute all nerds in glasses. Fits witch hunters, really
open marsh
*"a-way down south in the land of traitors,*
*Rattlesnakes and alligators."*
That actually got a laugh out of me. I havent heard that in a long time
vapid tiger
whfb iron cross is cool and good
painting the iron cross on a leman russ tank is a little sus
painting up bretonnians as teutonic knights sets off alarm bells
odd sparrow
Hey no
odd tulip
That actually got a laugh out of me. I havent heard that in a *long* time
That song is on my "Yankees for life" coh2 playlist
odd sparrow
teutonic knights are okay
open marsh
That song is on my "Yankees for life" coh2 playlist
Nice
odd sparrow
they're not weirdo property
desert gate
Execute all nerds in glasses. Fits witch hunters, really
Lord Inquisitor Polius Pottius
storm jungle
painting up bretonnians as teutonic knights sets off alarm bells
hides my total war mods
barren tapir
teutonic knights are okay
Well, maybe not entirely ok, but are fine
cerulean wagon
ratty teutons have the same fan base as the fucking imperial fist offshoots i always forget the name of
vapid tiger
teutonic knights are okay
No what I mean is crusade larpers
storm jungle
oshit
odd sparrow
That said if u played as anything other than novgorod in med 2 Teutonic ur not playing it right
or lithuania
lithuania best survival campaign
odd sparrow
No what I mean is *crusade larpers*
ah yeah
understandable
The crusader stans are perturbing in the extreme
[blasting sabaton and slowly developing a distinct distaste for muslims that they mask with jokes]
barren tapir
Teutonic knights had a very interesting history, not without bad actions obviously, but quite interesting
odd sparrow
I always got super confused by it as a kid cus like
cerulean wagon
they are interesting as are any history
odd sparrow
tectonic
cerulean wagon
just
odd sparrow
teutonic
vapid tiger
Like it's fine to play teutonic knights in like
Medieval 2 or something that's fine
But when you go out of your way to paint up something like bretonnians as templars or teutonic knights it's like "huh okay found the larper"
cerulean wagon
dont glorify it?
odd sparrow
i thought they were continental plate knights or smthn
idk a templar bret knight army could be cool, i feel that's sorta more normal than painting stuff to be nazi
i wouldn't raise too much of an eyebrow at that
vapid tiger
It's a red flag but not like
odd sparrow
Sorta a waste tho cus templar colour schemes are p boring tbh
vapid tiger
Blatantly bad or anything
odd tulip
My older brothers Guard reg is painted in BEF colours. Their standard bearer even carries a Union Jack
barren tapir
Personally i have nothing against people who paint their cav as teutonic, the moment they go with "inferior heathen" and similar stuff they get the big F
odd sparrow
BEF?
open marsh
@odd tulipOn the racism thing in the Arkans. Its something I found interesting in that the Imperium was forcing them to GTF over it. Human is human. And the Arkans having to learn that. The writer could have gone harder into that, tbh. And they sort of did. Like with Machen. Over the course of the story, he started becoming more defensive of the Norland psyker, who he detested at the start. While Joyce, becoming more and more racist, was shown as a reflection of his swiftly growing insanity.
vapid tiger
It's just that in today's age seeing that makes me instantly get suspicious since it ups the chance of someone screeching "deus vult" significantly
odd sparrow
understandable tbh
odd sparrow
!!
tbh the like, brit ww1 ww2-ish helmets are aesthetic af
the super wide brimmed ones
10/10
odd tulip
I'll get a picture next time I'm over there, but think more like Zulu and less like the world wars lmao
open marsh
tbh the like, brit ww1 ww2-ish helmets are aesthetic af
I think Ive seen a regiment with those
barren tapir
We have praetorian IG regiments for the BEF or am i wrong?
odd sparrow
I'll get a picture next time I'm over there, but think more like Zulu and less l...
!!!!! FUCK yeah
i'm horny for the zulu late 19th century aesthetic
glad prism
Kettle helmets and brody hats forever
odd sparrow
praetorians ❤️
open marsh
We have praetorian IG regiments for the BEF or am i wrong?
No thats british colonizing forces. BEF are later
odd sparrow
^ fuck me jerry
barren tapir
No thats british colonizing forces. BEF are later
Eh, i thought they were the same
odd sparrow
british army should've never abandoned the bright red colour scheme
vapid tiger
british army should've never abandoned the bright red colour scheme
Yeah but camo's useful irl
odd sparrow
no idc that it was largely khaki in actual use and neither do i care that it does open u up for the obvious it's dyed with colonised blood thing
the latter being more or less accurate
odd sparrow
nah just in general
odd sparrow
Yeah but camo's useful irl
die for the aesthetic
that sniper that spots u easily will at least be impressed by ur getup
cerulean wagon
if it makes u feel better ratty its not gone
vapid tiger
fair enough
cerulean wagon
cold stream guard
vapid tiger
Nice
cerulean wagon
odd sparrow
ye a bunch of ppl still dress up with that aesthetic
barren tapir
Those are pretorian
cerulean wagon
the hats are dumb ye
odd sparrow
they feel more like a Napoleonic ish aesthetic
odd sparrow
i approve
vapid tiger
For some reason the fact they have the full body armor because they're a headswap instantly makes them remind me of Barak Thryng @odd tulip
odd sparrow
i have been lowkey struggling for a while to figure out how to make praetorians
proven condor
I enjoy the WW1 British aesthetic (being british myself) honestly
open marsh
Looking through the regiments, this one reminds:
The Death Korp of Krieg are not "German". They are WWI in general.
These guys are WWI Imperial German Army
vapid tiger
odd sparrow
like. there are a good number of historical zulu ish kits for it but the scale is all different
maybe i could get away with just sticking IG pieces and arms onto them but idk i haven't found any historical thing that's big and wide enough for it to work
barren tapir
Looking through the regiments, this one reminds:
The Death Korp of Krieg are not...
No pickelhaube though
open marsh
No pickelhaube though
Thats Austrian, you pillock
atomic pelican
Lov that gun
barren tapir
Thats Austrian, you pillock
Prussian but ok
barren tapir
Actually yes. I is mistyped.
AH! Pillock... What the hell even means pillock
cerulean wagon
pillock is pmuch just idiot
odd sparrow
ye
vapid tiger
Lov that gun
Kharadron Overlords cool and good
atomic pelican
Yesss
barren tapir
pillock is pmuch just idiot
Eh, not the worst i have been called
atomic pelican
I love the big haulers
odd sparrow
British insults are the one thing i can be proud of
odd tulip
"Helo guys my nam is hdolf atler and I was wondering if I could have some Sudetenland and austria"
barren tapir
NO!
vapid tiger
British insults are the one thing i can be proud of
Too bad the br*tish aren't people
barren tapir
Go back painting!
vapid tiger
odd sparrow
i feel very persecuted
open marsh
"Helo guys my nam is hdolf atler and I was wondering if I could have some Sudete...
Badolf Bitler
odd sparrow
definitely karma
vapid tiger
I like the ig regiments in the 8th ed codex
barren tapir
I really really dig the aesthetic of the miasman redcowls, sadly not their way of fighting
barren tapir
On the other hand i like the truskan snowhound doctrine, but their aesthetic, while good, is nothing special
open marsh
@vapid tiger https://i.redd.it/pqddgwl6bj571.jpg
gaunt vector
Oran Jaguars
barren tapir
TBH would love to see some regiments being specialised in mountain warfare, like the dieprian mountain men, especially since now GW have made the category of mountain world official
odd tulip
Pretty sure thats double heresy
barren tapir
Ok, that was high definition and has been requisitioned
odd sparrow
stop being a furry
vapid tiger
<@!213314105052758026> https://i.redd.it/pqddgwl6bj571.jpg
Hey, that's not a vitrian dragoon!
barren tapir
Justus regiment looks dope
desert gate
stop being a furry
Petition to ban furry
open marsh
The most superior regiment. Who needs armour? Or clothes? When you have faith in the God-Emperor
gaunt vector
Hey, that's not a vitrian dragoon!
I always think that guy looks like one of the really old Mandalorians
open marsh
stop being a furry
No 
barren tapir
Noctan strike force looks dope too
desert gate
No <:shibasmile:664160058501890099>
Didn't u hear it was recently banned
barren tapir
In fact they are among the ones that i like the most
open marsh
Samurai Guard
odd sparrow
if a month goes by without medic going on at length about niche guard regiments smthn is deeply wrong
open marsh
@barren tapirGot your picklehaub
desert gate
He needs something to break up his lectures about why every space marine chapter is descended from traitor genestock
barren tapir
<@!468892762096271370>Got your picklehaub
Good, but they wrongly named them... Although we have prussian with the mordian iron guard
desert gate
Gotta spice it up
atomic pelican
if a month goes by without medic going on at length about niche guard regiments ...
Smh theyre gonna retcon the 69th shitflingers
The entirely jokaero regiment
odd sparrow
pain
atomic pelican
Real shit they should just slaughter the shit chapters/etc in lore
Give xenos space marines to kill, red scorpions go first
odd sparrow
agreed
next campaign book they do should be a catastrophic loss for the imperium
clean out all the trash
atomic pelican
Itd be perfect irony if a Cult killed and took red scorpion genestuffs
barren tapir
Real shit they should just slaughter the shit chapters/etc in lore
This is actually an amazing idea... But what about their planet?
barren tapir
