which, in my mind, they are the central viewpoint of the story
#40k-lore-chat
vapid tiger
which, in my mind, they are the central viewpoint of the story
I mean Order is the central viewpoint of AoS but GW has actually managed to make it feel like other factions are equally important rather than just punching bags and antagonists for Order to face off against
Considering that the context behind both AoS and 40k is selling miniatures for a wargame where these factions are playable
primal tide
oh yeah, aos is fucking killing it in comparison
they are clearly dedicated to giving each faction their time in the spotlight, something that i wouldn't expect in 40k at all
vapid tiger
which is a problem with 40k
primal tide
id agree that it sucks, but i also think its a perspective thats here to stay
coarse mirage
Is it worth reading the other 2 books before Godblight?
odd tulip
Yeah they're quite good, and they inform the the last one
the second one in particular had some really amazing stuff
dim totem
What does this imply tho, the emperor waking up
I doubt they'll pull another end times out of their ass only to bring the old world back a couple years later
atomic pelican
From a business standpoint the end times was like
probably one of GW's best decisions
But this isn't a end times situation
40k still actually makes money
It's just the plot actually starting to move(maybe)
slow prawn
Isn’t the whole reason Old World is a thing now because Total War and Vermintide resurrected interest in Fantasy?
atomic pelican
Pretty much
That and it's not a true ressurection
There's still alot of speculation on it, but at the moment we know that It's not set in the same timeline
I'm pretty sure It's just gonna be a 30k game
slow prawn
Just a “here’s what happened two hundred years before it ended”
slow prawn
Which is honestly a good decision
atomic pelican
We're still like 3 years out until It's release
slow prawn
New characters and stuff
atomic pelican
and Kislev's revamp is pretty interesting
slow prawn
Especially my beloved Bretonnia
atomic pelican
Alot of AoS' really creative styles are going into it which is pretty nice
I'm glad fantasy no longer has like, the hard cap on it's capability
can be seen in WHFRP 4e art too
I'ts p great
slow prawn
And in the meantime, TW is going to keep printing money for them
atomic pelican
Yeee
slow prawn
final spruce
Because GW def needs more money
atomic pelican
Funny enough, I doubt that TW/any of the games contribute a large amount to GW's income
Like compared to everything else they make
cursive hull
https://tenor.com/view/money-printer-meme-bitcoin-meme-cranksy-crypto-art-nft-gi...
I'm taking this Gif and you can't stop me
final spruce
Minis are def the main ressource
slow prawn
Go ahead! I literally found it on the gift searching bar 😄
potent swift
Alright, so I'm moving across country next week. This is going to involve some driving and a hella long plane trip, would anyone like to recommend any audiobooks?
atomic pelican
Court of the Blind King is a IDK book written by the same guy who writes Gotrek/Felix
And its audiobook is p neat
Dark Harvest is written by Reynolds and is a really good horror one, from what I've heard, haven't listened to it myself yet
cerulean wagon
as always i will recommend ciaphas cain if you havent read them
this is not a paid advertisment
atomic pelican
This is a paid advertisement
cerulean wagon
potent swift
I actually have read Ciaphas but only up to the... second book I think it was? Ice planet w/Crons or something like that. Either way, it's been years so I can dive back into it.
coarse mirage
Alright, so I'm moving across country next week. This is going to involve some d...
War of Secrets, Dark Angels, Tau and some fuckery. The Infinite and the Divine, two old men argue in space for thousands of years. Shadowbreaker, Deathwatch, Tau and other xenos fuckery.
if you like Age of Sigmar, the audio dramas with Gotrek are all probably good (I've listened to one and a half) because of Brian Blessed
open marsh
Do we have any more descriptions of the Gudrunite Rifles regiments? All I've seen in the Eisenhorn books is that they have Red/Gold armor and their emblem of a Carnodon (basically a tiger stripped Lion)
barren tapir
The only thing that i can remember now is that are noted to be mixed regiments
crisp heath
Think that's about it
That and that most mormal lasrifles are basically just different via looks
Performance wise, they're pretty similar to.one another
grand minnow
Does the emperor actualy give orders or is it just he said to kill aliens
barren tapir
You mean currently?
grand minnow
Yeah
odd tulip
The Emperor exerts his 'influence' on people, so often people will make decisions thinking that they're doing it autonomously when the reality is that it was the Emperor making them do it
grand minnow
Oh, i wasnt sure how hegave orders if hes dead
odd tulip
He can technically give orders the old fashioned way, but speaking to the Emperor is said to be like having your brain hit with a sun-sized sand blaster
barren tapir
The emperor don't speak currently, not in a normal way, sometime someone get a talk, but it is never overtly direct, like big G, he thought he was talking to him, but valdoris that was near him didn't heard anything from big E
odd tulip
Valoris said he saw him speak with the emperor, but couldn't understand what was said
barren tapir
Then there is the way that Gawain said, sometime it happens from willing conduits
odd tulip
and bobby G remembers it was a string of self-contradictory orders and words
barren tapir
Valoris saw big G talking, but didn't heard anything from big E
grand minnow
I imagine his jaw flapping about with no noise
odd tulip
I imagin just being in the sanctum imperialis probably deafens you with psychic static
barren tapir
Regarding the "kill all aliens" order it is more a devolution of its original order, that was " any alien that is a threat to mankind has to be eliminated, if an alien is willing to help human or not a threat it can be left alone, for the moment"
grand minnow
I was cusious since in dark crusade IG says they had direct orders
barren tapir
Well, for sure not from big E, but yeah, many high rank officers order to kill all aliens
grand minnow
Or if it was like a litteral god thing where people literaly jusy interperate
odd tulip
People will say they have direct orders from the emperor all the time. Sometimes thats when a ministorum priest has a vision, or a psyker reads the Emperors tarot, but I highly doubt astra militarum command got anything directly from big E's mouth lmao
barren tapir
Nah, he don't interact like that
odd tulip
And even if he did it wouldn't be to send orders to guard squads lmao
crisp heath
That's why someone needs to give him a text to speech device
storm jungle
Yeah Dark Crusade I.G just says Segmentum Command gave them direct orders to take the planet
crisp heath
who knows what wacky hijinks can come from it
barren tapir
It was stated that sometime he seems to influence the tarots, or that the taros are used by him to tell people what to do, but it is just speculation
storm jungle
when the governor is talking about Big E its more that he needs to take the planet in his name methaphorically
since its the guard's "holy duty" and all that
grand minnow
ahhh
storm jungle
Yeee
barren tapir
There is an order of custodes that receive visions from him and then set out to make sure that the orders are followed
But even that, they didn't talk with him, it is just him sending messages
odd tulip
Saying 'the Emperor' in 40k is a bit like saying 'God' is for us. If I told my soldiers that God said we have to attack X objective, the reaction would be 'uh-huh I'm sure he tooootally did.'
barren tapir
It is also stated that the black templars emperor's champions get a vision from him, but i highly doubt that
grand minnow
Command "we got this planet for you emperor"
Emperor "What? ok i guess"
odd tulip
Command "we got this planet for you emperor"
Emperor "What? ok i guess"
Emperor: "Bruh I have like a million of these get me something else"
storm jungle
Its just a lot more fuzzy at the moment
odd tulip
It is also stated that the black templars emperor's champions get a vision from ...
Black templars are also barking mad lmao
storm jungle
since everything is explained as "the rift is making lots of psychic bullshit happen so who knows if its Big E or not"
barren tapir
Like the knowledge of how to get off this chair without terra being consumed
storm jungle
same with the sororitas getting constant deus ex machina faith power ups
odd tulip
Spoiler alert: the great rift, and thing which empowers psykers, is also empowering the most powerful psyker in the universe
grand minnow
I never read the lore of the imperium, so this was just a bunch of stuff i was trying to understand
odd tulip
whoda thunk
storm jungle
I never read the lore of the imperium, so this was just a bunch of stuff i was t...
Not your fault either buddy
Imp lore is a fucking mess
storm jungle
By design and also lazy writing
barren tapir
Yeah, the seeping of the immaterium in the materium is increasing the power of those with the connection the immaterium
grand minnow
This is why i like necrons, theeir story is basicaly done
barren tapir
Filthy psykers i say
odd tulip
This is why i like necrons, theeir story is basicaly done
Silent king go brrrr
storm jungle
not that they lack much fluff either
grand minnow
"We enslaved gods, get off our lawn"
barren tapir
I'm wondering if the great rift also managed to put off course the nids that were going straight to terra, or if the empowering of big E is still a more interesting thing
storm jungle
No thats just bad writing
grand minnow
If nids are around the galaxy id say they are the biggest threat to the galaxy
barren tapir
I mean, it seems that the nids love psychic genetic material, soooo big E may be their most interesting meal now
storm jungle
To be fair realistically speaking larger nid fleets like Leviathan would have 100+ bioforms to counter anything thrown against them, but considering that makes them way too OP the nids have been practically written into a corner in terms of fluff and anything they usually do
odd tulip
Here's a theory btw: The shadow in the warp being an evolutionary trait of Tyranids implies that they have had run-ins with warp entities in other galaxies they've conquered
grand minnow
The only reason im not much of a nid fan is the fact they cant realy have characters
barren tapir
Eh, faulty theory imo, the shadow in the warp doesn't remove the warp like the blanks do, it simply overflood it
gusty fulcrum
WEll ive always assumed the warp was omnipresent but diffrent in various parts of the universe
Like maybe each galaxy has its own gods n shit
odd tulip
Eh, faulty theory imo, the shadow in the warp doesn't remove the warp like the b...
Doesn't counter the fact that the tyranids specifically evolved to counter warp beings. Why would they have done that if not for historical struggles with the warp?
gusty fulcrum
and each chaos/warp god is just kinda the mass unconcious of the resident races of whatever galaxy
barren tapir
They did it after they meet the warp in the galaxy, not before
odd tulip
did they?
barren tapir
And to be precise hive fleet kronus was developed after the great rift
odd tulip
I'm fairly certain they've had that ability since they arrived in the galaxy
barren tapir
Like they developed the zoanthrope after getting eldar genetic material
The shadow in the warp was present even before yes, but again, that isn't made to counter the warp, it is just the result of the huge mass of psychic power of all the nids organisms
storm jungle
the hivemind in general iirc
gusty fulcrum
Basicly their warp signiture is so huge it drowns out otehr warp presence
and i think its implied it basicly will consume lesser demons
barren tapir
storm jungle
oh yeah the anti-warp fleet
barren tapir
the hivemind in general iirc
Yes, but the hive mind is the sum of all the minds of the nids though
gusty fulcrum
Its similar to the waagh
cuz the waagh is also suppose to kinda drown out otehr warpish presence if its big enough
wont cancel it out like the nids though
barren tapir
Ah, i was wrong, the zoanthropes were improved with eldar DNA, not made from that
In short, all psychic stuff work the same, if you are strong enough you can flood the warp with your will... But good luck doing that as a single entity
gusty fulcrum
I think part of that is also cuz their one overwhelming thought/drive is to feed so i wouldnt be surprised if their psychic shadow is basicly alike black hole sucking anything nearby into it
odd tulip
From 1d4chan: "The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of the entire Tyranid race, a psychic embodiment of Tyranid instincts and racial imperatives: to devour and evolve. It is so powerful that its mere presence (the Shadow in the Warp) makes even psykers and Chaos shit their metaphysical brains out in terror."
Yeah you right Van Saar
gusty fulcrum
The astronimican Burns demons the Hivemind shadow Consumes them
barren tapir
The only thing that effectively remove the warp, like, severing the connection between the materium and the immaterium are blanks, and necron tech with balckstone rightly toned
gusty fulcrum
The Waagh beats them
Thats how i pcutre it works when demons encounter the diffrent warp forces
barren tapir
The astronimican Burns demons the Hivemind shadow Consumes them
It doesn't consume them, it simply throw them away, it is like they get suppressed
gusty fulcrum
Ive read that ittl consume leasser demons
Like im not saying they like absorb their power
but its decribed as like their being eaten
barren tapir
Nah, not in the literal sense
gusty fulcrum
I just figured it was to go with their whole theme of nomnomnim
barren tapir
Ah, then yeah, it doesn't take their "warp energies" it just stop them to get supply of it, and since demons are just warp energies made form, which require a constant supply they simply vanish
barren tapir
I just figured it was to go with their whole theme of nomnomnim
Probably was used to go hand in hand with that theme yes
gusty fulcrum
Ya ive seen it described as eiterh just a maddeningly overwhelming presence or like teeth and claws are ripping away at you
or a keening wail
barren tapir
Yup, imagine hearing thousands of minds that the only thing that say is "hungry,hungry", and you not only have no way to close the communication, but those voices are actively trying to break the door of your mind because they need space
It may be the only situation that a psyker may be happy to have a blank near...
And that cacophony is so strong that even people who never had a psychic connection strong enough to be recognized could start to hear them...
gusty fulcrum
Also a feeling of mindbreaking insignifigance i think isnt unheard of as you feel as not but a tiny mote in the presence of the hivvemind
if it doesnt just explode your head
and jsut kinda wants to mess with you
barren tapir
In the psychic awakening novels there was such a story, of a guard that was a latent psyker, but extremely weak, but that was enough for him to sense nids and then get overwhelmed by the hivemind
gusty fulcrum
Genestealer cults kinda have it rough in that sense
barren tapir
Nids are terrifying... Even when they aren't present... At least if you have even a low connection to the warp... Like every human do
gusty fulcrum
Cuz i guess to tehm they look like angelic and saintlike figures untill the last moment when the hivmind intentionally drops the glamour and the cultists see what they truly are
barren tapir
Nah, they keep the illusion up
gusty fulcrum
I heard it drops the illusiona fter all defenses are defeated
barren tapir
There is a story of a cultist that had the patriarch slain and that seems to break the illusion though
gusty fulcrum
then enjoys teh ensuing horror as it eats teh cultists
barren tapir
It is true that after the world fell the cultist are nommed too, but i know that they selfish sacrifice themself, there is one exception though, of an hive fleet that kept alive the cultist, and there are reports of cultist that indeed fought nids, but that was because they were from a different hive fleet than the one that the cultist worshipped... Although i don't know if those report were true
gusty fulcrum
As soon as the last of the defenders is overrun by this tide of chitin and scything claws, the Hive Mind subsumes the Patriarch into its greater consciousness. It becomes merely another organism in the Tyranid swarm, the psychic Broodmind that once united its cult severed in an instant. In an awful moment of realisation, the cultists at last understand the fell truth.
from the non lexicanum wiki
which seems to account for more modern lore as well
cuz in old lore ya its implied the gleefully flung themselves into the pool n stuff
barren tapir
What page?
gusty fulcrum
but now lore seems to be going for lovecraftian final realization bend
its near the end of the xenos worshippers segment
barren tapir
Uhm... It is weird, the same act, like the nids nomming the cultist is present even on lexicanum, but it also stated that the cultist fight for the nids
gusty fulcrum
ive seen it said on a few other sites covering lore
barren tapir
Both point out to the 7 or 8 edition
gusty fulcrum
Ya they do but when the last enemy falls the get a little bit of time to celebrate their victory then the hivemind drops the act
barren tapir
I would lean more on lexicanum than warhammer wiki tbh
barren tapir
That contradict other stuff, like the hive fleet that kept the cultist though
gusty fulcrum
Ya ive been trying to find stuff related to that
I think the wiki just tries to cover all lore
from all sources
officail
so like antyhing from novels or codexes and waht not
I think its more implied now genestealers will just spread off planet if a hivefleet doesnt show up
Like they make dynesties that spread among the stars
Also one genestealer cult figured out a viral means of deliving the genstealers gift through food and water
and its implied its been spreading that way too since then
I kinda like the 40k wiki as i think its just throws more of whats in lore out there jsut for you to read and kinda peice together
here ya go a nice handy dandy flowchart
gusty fulcrum
cuz even the lexicanum doesnt offer alotta teis stuff
barren tapir
And it is still kept in 8th edition
gusty fulcrum
Nice
Ya i mean im not surprised people forget that the hivemind is actaully extremmely intelligent
So it would make sense to have some cults kinda floating around
Especailly if tehy have made usefull alterations
barren tapir
Although that doesn't give a clear answer to the question if the hive mind drop the illusion, or simply command the cultist to get nommed
gusty fulcrum
It probably varies
Cuz even the different fleets have their own personalities in a way
barren tapir
One thing is sure, they get consumed
gusty fulcrum
Indeed
And i think tehy do mention it on that wiki i sent the link too
The wreckage of the freighter Pegasine, destroyed by the Lance strike of an Ordo Xenos corvette, spirals through the skies of the Frontier World Hopefoster. Most of the debris burns up on entry, but the largest section lands more or less intact. After long solar weeks spent healing, a single Genestealer survivor awakens in the wreckage. It becomes the Patriarch of the Voidbrood, and after a Terran century of unfettered expansion, its cult rises up to overrun the planet entirely.
ude that wiki has way more on teh voidbrood tehn the lexi
Im starting to think this is the new active wiki and the lexi isnt getting as much updates
LOL THEY WERE BASICLY FUCKING RATIONS
"They never realised that the Hive Mind saw them simply as useful pawns and potential extra bio-matter to be consumed if the Hive Fleet's reserves ran low. "
so ya i guess it just depends on the hive fleets needs at teh time
ashen zenith
Just walking around a new town and randomly stumbled upon a warhammer store pog
Is cada stands a good book, wanna buy somewhere from here
coarse mirage
They fight together with the nids until the invasion is over. That's when they get consumed.
storm jungle
Is cada stands a good book, wanna buy somewhere from here
Its a bit generic but i wouldnt say its bad
it reads like a good I.G novel and has some pretty good parts
especially helps in humanizing Mister Brickface that is Usarkar Creed
Also covers the siege of cadia really well, RIGHT from the beginning to the evacuation ending.
ashen zenith
Aight getting it
storm jungle
Yeee its a good book so heres hoping you like it
frosty cobalt
so ya i guess it just depends on the hive fleets needs at teh time
There are some cults that leave right before the hive drops, because the main stealer is scared of the hive. So i think some cults run off to new planets to start again
But most get nommed
coarse mirage
Guilliman's self-loathing is a bit annoying
"Ooh I'm not perfect, I'm not great" and so on
queen vigil
I hope there's a level where a commisar starts barking at the darktide 5 and if you don't listen he shoots at you
coarse mirage
Big guy, you mess up a lot less than everyone else. You should get this.
storm jungle
Guilliman's self-loathing is a bit annoying
This tbh
i get that hes humble as hell but it really does get pretentious
iirc even a human crew member is like "Yo can you get your act together"
cerulean wagon
sounds about right
i love the fact almost every SM story has a human that fixes or starts some major shit that makes them, them
coarse mirage
I understand that writing a superhuman demigod is difficult but he's so obsessively negative
cerulean wagon
its probably cause they are trying to make him more human like the early HH books
but the writers dont know what to do with it
storm jungle
wHy dO I sTiLL LiVe
coarse mirage
Tau aren't a big enough issue, he has better things to do
storm jungle
As lazy of an excuse as any tbh
cerulean wagon
because dilara
coarse mirage
Though I'm sure that he could possibly negotiate something positive with them
storm jungle
biggy G only deals with chaos
pain
storm jungle
Though I'm sure that he could possibly negotiate something positive with them
I can really see him talking with an ethereal council or something but the moment they leave hes like "Yeah dont worry we'll kill these later add em to the list"
coarse mirage
Because gRiMdArK
coarse mirage
It holds the franchise back for sure
cerulean wagon
I don't mind the grim dark
it just needs to not be terribly written
like uhh
the temporary tau/imperial alliance during the nid crisis
which devolved because while everyone was dealing with the nids the tau were still trying to sneak some deals out the back door
vapid tiger
Grimdark is foundational to the setting and without it there's no 40k as we know it but like Skeleton mentioned
It gets terribly written a lot
Like the "haha fuck the ynnari because grimdark" thing
I think Alfabusa encapsulated what it is when it's handled properly in his Inq28 video but it does tend to vary because the term itself isn't set in stone
One writer might go "okay torture porn"
And another might go "okay then that just means there can't ever be hope on a large scale and everything's fucked" (Abnett literally says this)
cerulean wagon
IMO grimdark settings are ones that thrive when you write them as character settings, because characters stories allow for small amounts of hope that fit within the larger scope of the setting without setting anyone off or causing people to get the wrong idea
cerulean wagon
But i think thats part of the issue on why the writing gets scuffed, its a "grimdark" is a tone, and is a pretty wide base to set. Combine that with people having biases for certain factions, or people deciding "well we need a good guy" and thats where the tonal dissonance comes in and we get a lot of lazy writing
god that first 1:30 mins
coarse mirage
Speaking of Grimdark, I bought Horizon Zero Dawn. I got it on PS4 when it launched so now I've forgotten enough about it to replay it on my splendid PC.
vapid tiger
god that first 1:30 mins
What about em
coarse mirage
I still remember the one big plot reveal, just not all the details.
But holy shit it's a good story.
cerulean wagon
In that first 1:30 where he mentions the uhh
blur between actual 40k and bolter porn 40k
its something i feel a lot
vapid tiger
monkey action brain
final spruce
Monke brain
storm jungle
atomic pelican
monchee
storm jungle
oh my god
atomic pelican
And yeah alfabusa is p cool
storm jungle
sorry cutting in but just got to this particular part
ngl its kind of why i miss old warhammer art in general i think
cerulean wagon
i don't mind clean art but like
its comic book clean at this point
all the time
cerulean wagon
yeah
god its weird having alfa basically say what ive been saying by proxy of a media i've never heard of before
storm jungle
its incredibly weird
final spruce
Wait Alfa did a whole presentation about it ?
cerulean wagon
yeah posted just above
vapid tiger
Yeah I really like Alfabusa now
Particularly his more personal stuff like that presentation
Especially since in other videos he notes that he doesn't like his older content which I can relate to because it hasn't aged well
cerulean wagon
i like him i just don't like the TTS fanbase
its the same issue i have with uhh, critical roll for DnD
where the guy who does it and what he does is amazing
but the fanbase it breeds because its an entry point into the setting is... awkward
sorry if that sounds weirdly elitist lmao
storm jungle
Yeah its important to remember he just makes a joke in TTS for us to laugh and move along, he doesnt stick to it for like 5 minutes to bash you over the head with the gag.
MEANWHILE
grimdank literally milks ANY joke he makes dry
vapid tiger
I get what you're saying
Also season 1 of tts is a slog and kind of bad
storm jungle
theres literal memes of about memes of doing that exact same thing
vapid tiger
Grimdark or grimdank?
The horrible reddit 40k meme sub that repeats the same memes over and over
storm jungle
oh whoops, grimdank yes
Like they make good jokes sometimes but when alfabusa posts something they swarm over any material he makes like literal locusts
vapid tiger
Also "dae krieg shovel" has overtaken the fan perception of krieg to the extent that people now uhhh
Not to sound elitist, but they miss the point of krieg?
cerulean wagon
wassup
storm jungle
look up
vapid tiger
Meatgrinder regiments of completely dehumanized suicidal fanatics who barely regard themselves as individuals meant to represent how dehumanizing the imperium is
vapid tiger
Reduced to "badass shovel men!"
storm jungle
and again they literally are never said to use shovels in lore, its always AND ALWAYS bayonets
vapid tiger
It leaks into stuff like fan animations that have talent put into them it is outright silly how out of hand it has gotten
final spruce
Looks at Sodaz using the TF2 soldier shovel for Krieg Eeeeeehhhh
median sundial
Yeah if the lore is dictated by a belligerent god in Britain, then the fans interpreting the lore are like 2nd hand worshippers of the god. The spirit is kinda there, but it's diluted and is basically a mockery of the God's original intention.
vapid tiger
There's this fan animation that's decently well made for a source film that has a single krieger run around butchering vraks renegades in a trench
It's the "wow cool robots" meme but with krieg
cerulean wagon
wasnt the right side you quoting me
median sundial
Dude humans fucking suck. In all likelyhood fandoms will actually lead us to the dark millennium because they flanderize so much we'll fall into ruin because the President will fundamentally misunderstand something the Austrailian prime minister said.
median sundial
This is my edict
final spruce
When going back to monkey is an actual option
cerulean wagon
plz
median sundial
Honestly I should just grab some of you guys and just lock ourselves in a storm bunker modified so that Uber Eats can just slide food into a chute.
vapid tiger
I'm probably a terrible person for saying this but when Sodaz's channel got taken down by geedubs the first thing I thought was "thank god those source videos will stop spamming my recommended"
cerulean wagon
lol
storm jungle
were thye like constantly on your feed?
vapid tiger
yes
storm jungle
oof
median sundial
I hate to say it, but I kinda agree with Krug.
storm jungle
yall realise you can just click on "not interested" right
vapid tiger
and like
Cool on him to make content the guy had talent and obviously put work into his stuff
But I wasn't particularly interested in his style of content
vapid tiger
yall realise you can just click on "not interested" right
I did.
coarse mirage
A LOT of people don’t get the tone
vapid tiger
there's better content for new 40k fans to watch
storm jungle
yeah i thought so too
but like its apparently not SFM?
And iirc Blender or something?
cerulean wagon
oooh
storm jungle
because i seriously could not see GW paying a dime to valve for using SFM to make Sodaz work for them
storm jungle
Most likely, theres also modellers like Ninjanub (the guy that makes like 90% of Source 40k models) that take requests to give out their asset files
median sundial
I always viewed Sodaz's work as Budget Astartes. Like I admire the effort, but I already have something I can easily access with 10 times as much effort in it.
vapid tiger
its SFM
They hired Boylan to make an animation that still looks like a fan animation
I'm not surprised
cerulean wagon
whos bolan?
vapid tiger
Boylan
cerulean wagon
idk who that is sorry
median sundial
OH it's that guy
vapid tiger
It's a decent way to experience the audiobook
A slimmed version of it but it's a fan animation at its core
storm jungle
yeah the one making the Blood Angels
cerulean wagon
the first section of it
vapid tiger
They hired him and gave him a small team to make something called Angels of Death
cerulean wagon
cause his super artsy style gives me a migraine
vapid tiger
Which just
cerulean wagon
Okay tbf on angels of death, some of the animations and stuff look great
i think its let down by the greyscaling
which uhh
doesnt work as well for big budget
vapid tiger
I like the noir style
storm jungle
awkward
cerulean wagon
also, not knocking soldaz his work its pgud. But its always been like one of those, the setup and stuff were better than the actual animation if that makes sense
it told a decent story but the actual character animation was hit n miss
vapid tiger
It still looks like a fan animation but if the fan animation was made by a group of fans rather than just one guy with source filmmaker and a kinect for mocap
storm jungle
Yeah but i respect that sodaz doesnt go beyond that
he just sticks to what hes good at and does what he thinks is cool
which 90% is
cerulean wagon
ye
median sundial
Like I said, I appreciate the effort.
vapid tiger
^
cerulean wagon
honestly tho if they can pull something good out of the stuff
and make it work
itd be nice
the one i think im interested in atm is the ork v krieg one
cause boi is that ork HD af
vapid tiger
There's some better looking warhammer+ stuff than Angels of Death though
median sundial
Well he and the Astartes guy are gonna be on WH+.
vapid tiger
its krieg
They're gonna fuck it up
Because here's how things work
Fans are the ones who end up making stuff for 40k
They carry fan perceptions over to their work
The most wide perception of krieg within the fandom is dogshit
Therefore
cerulean wagon
vapid tiger
There's a higher than unlikely chance they fuck up krieg but the orks look great
storm jungle
tbh i wont be surprised if the fanworks dwarf the GW ones
cerulean wagon
ye its why im annoyed krug
storm jungle
which already look sketchy af
cerulean wagon
cause that ork looks great
but man
why did they choose to do krieg
its prob gonna be so bad
storm jungle
because memes
cerulean wagon
vapid tiger
why not steel legion is my question
cerulean wagon
no
storm jungle
the only time i saw them in anything motion-wise was Helsreach if i could even see them past the eye-blinding filter
cerulean wagon
although on SL topic
1 sec krug
hope this makes u feel better
from the dan abnett-darktide trailer
vapid tiger
Yeah
Astartes II will most likely end up good so that's what I'm looking forward to most but Hammer and Bolter also looks decent
vapid tiger
which is weird because astartes is just bolter porn
median sundial
I like H&B too Krug.
vapid tiger
and i mostly dislike bolter porn
vapid tiger
i am preparing to have people hate me when astartes 2 drops
tell me why
because i think i already know why
primal tide
uwu skelly so toxic
cerulean wagon
lmao chapin
primal tide
cerulean wagon
because i'm a fussy piece of shit and i go "its pgud but also these bits are wrong"
median sundial
tell me why
TELL ME WHY
AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HEARTBREAK.
cerulean wagon
like the one astartes getting blasted by the autocannon and the round just disapears into sparks
vapid tiger
i think astartes is overrated by the fandom but its overall p good
Also yeah that did annoy me too
median sundial
because i'm a fussy piece of shit and i go "its pgud but also these bits are wro...
No you're just british. loud fortnite dancing
final spruce
Here in this very discord ?
cerulean wagon
thanks for sticking with me being a weird details nerd
ye here zherlum
as usual
final spruce
Must have missed that then
vapid tiger
Although I can rationalize it as "well the pauldron is the strongest point on the armor and angled well so maybe hitting the pauldron once with an autocannon wouldn't do much at all but hitting the chest would penetrate"
storm jungle
storm jungle
I appreciate the detail that the astartes almost loses his balance tho ngl
primal tide
and people say ultras have plot armor
vapid tiger
I was disappointed that not a single marine died at the end of it considering they went up against heavy weapons and two psykers
cerulean wagon
The other one is the multilas, but i excuse that a bit more because of the distance and the fact it atleast damages the armour
final spruce
I appreciate the detail that the astartes almost loses his balance tho ngl
It's an OC chapter, what did you expect
cerulean wagon
the melted pockmarks n stuff is neat
storm jungle
I was disappointed that not a single marine died at the end of it considering th...
I'd say i understand that bit the most.
Because this entire thing is suppose to be marine wank until it isnt. And they get messed up by this eldritch threat they got no idea what it even is, and just get outmatched
vapid tiger
Yeah you can tell the multilas hurt the sergeant
Probably cooked him pretty good in his armor but didn't actually wound him
Yeah
storm jungle
but thats just my interpretation so lmao
vapid tiger
I liked that part
primal tide
i hope we get more beaky bois next time
primal tide
didnt he tease a segment with orks?
vapid tiger
Hopefully astartes II will have marines dying on the battlefield since the teaser from a while ago actually featured them fighting on battlefields and whatnot
cerulean wagon
he teased orks at the end of original astartes
vapid tiger
Like, one squad was fighting hormagaunts and a marine had his leg chopped off
cerulean wagon
then did a teaser for orks n nids
primal tide
smh what a tease
vapid tiger
he teased orks at the end of original astartes
Nah nah the end of the original teased eldar
storm jungle
Yeee and shurikens just getting stopped by the pauldrom
cerulean wagon
thats what i meant to type sorry
primal tide
OH right
vapid tiger
Shurikens getting stopped by the pauldrons makes more sense than the autocannon
storm jungle
smh
storm jungle
dont make me break out my eldar dictionary
cerulean wagon
but the fact a ton of it just clatters off is like
un-eldar-ey if that makes sense
storm jungle
same universe where a cannon that fires literal contained atomic bursts cant scratch the paint job of a fucking rhino
thanks gav
cerulean wagon
vapid tiger
what
primal tide
lmfao
cerulean wagon
gav ruined eldar
cerulean wagon
once again
primal tide
fuckin eldar quaking in his boots at the sight of some space marines
storm jungle
fuckin eldar quaking in his boots at the sight of some space marines
LMAO THAT TOO
storm jungle
he literally admits he should run away and abandon his friends to die
primal tide
paenching baegs
cerulean wagon
because their main writer is gav thorpe
and he keeps killing them off
i hope you didnt like biel tan
gav certainly didnt
storm jungle
LUL
vapid tiger
there's a faction you can treat like punching bags and get away with because even the people who play said punching bags will mostly be okay with it
they're called orks
and they're everywhere in the galaxy anyway
cerulean wagon
Krug, eldar are punching bags in their own books as well
storm jungle
Tbh just ignore it, even as an elf fan i dont care anymore lol. Its just gonna be how it is until the setting ends
so we got like 90 more years to go
vapid tiger
It's more annoying because on the aos end of things elves are showered with goodies
They get real love in aos
primal tide
thats because aos is good
vapid tiger
So they evidently stuck all the people who like elves designing aos and the people who hate elves writing them in 40k
storm jungle
alright guys, heres a quiz
Fist of the Machine God (801.M41) - When Craftworld Yme-Loc refuses to yield its technological secrets to an Adeptus Mechanicus war fleet, battle breaks out within the armouries of Vaul. Millions die before the Tech-priests seize enough advanced Eldar technology to sate their predatory curiosity for forbidden xenostech.
What faction codex is this from
primal tide
hahaha
vapid tiger
is it eldar
primal tide
gotta be eldar
vapid tiger
oh my god
primal tide
that is so funny
storm jungle
ikr im not even mad
primal tide
its fine tho cuz their predatory curiosity is sated now
storm jungle
this is like me writing this shit into an Mechanicus codex.
Fist of the Aeldari (801.M41) - When the Lycon Forgeworld of the Adeptus Mechanicus refuses to yield its technological secrets to an Yme-Loc craftworld war fleet, battle breaks out within the armouries deep beneath the world's core. Millions of Mechanicus forces die before the Eldar seize enough advanced technology to sate their predatory curiosity for forbidden human technology.
vapid tiger
yes
primal tide
you can tell its fake cuz the eldar arent getting spanked
cerulean wagon
fuk
storm jungle
vapid tiger
This is like the time I rewrote a rulebook excerpt about tau that was a perfectly normal battle description and then went "and thus was mankind reminded of the duplicity of xenos and how they can't be trusted rahrahrah"
let me find it
because it's weird
storm jungle
vapid tiger
It was about tau
primal tide
imagine the shitstorm if they were like guys we found russ, the khan, and vulcan- theyre trapped in slaanesh's domain next to that last eldar sword
vapid tiger
"806.M41
The Novum Deception
During a so-called mission of peace, a Tau Hunter Cadre launches a pre-emptive strike on the capital city of Novum Prime, railguns destroying a dozen Vengeance Weapon Batteries before the Imperium is aware of the deception. In answer, the stronghold Citadel of Judgement opens fire on the aggressors with its macro-cannon, obliterating the Tau, and a third of the city itself, in a dozen apocalyptic shots."
Thus is Mankind reminded of the duplicity of the alien - no matter their winsome promises, they seek nothing but domination over Mankind.
cerulean wagon
storm jungle
death
cerulean wagon
i hat eit cause in lore
shooting at cities isnt a choice
cause setting new ones up is fucking expensive
vapid tiger
See how weird that last part sounds
primal tide
https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175
me shooting at cities
cerulean wagon
" ah yes lets rehome billions of people at once"
vapid tiger
Now let me rewrite it
final spruce
But its 40k everything has to be this stupid amount of Grimdark
There is no common sense, only dogma and darkness
It's literally what Alfa says in the video you praised so much
slow prawn
I’m just going to put this here
cerulean wagon
It's literally what Alfa says in the video you praised so much
god please dont start u know theres people who will take it that way
cerulean wagon
u caught me
storm jungle
if only johnny rico was here to see this
cerulean wagon
theres nothin but cadia here
vapid tiger
0 BY
The Battle for the Death Star
After locating the home base of the Rebellion, an x-wing squadron launches a pre-emptive strike on the Empire's orbital station known as the Death Star using stolen design plans. After being decimated by the Death Star's defenses, the squadron's last x-wing sends proton torpedos into the Death Star's exposed exhaust port, leading to a chain reaction that obliterates the orbital station and kills millions of crew.
Thus is the Empire reminded of the cowardice and danger free thought can pose to the rule of law and order - no matter what they hide behind, these idealists seek nothing but chaos and disorder and care nothing for the human cost of what they do
See how fucking weird that sounds
slow prawn
Your mother is an Imperial fan and she smells of bolt propellant!
primal tide
final spruce
Damn, site must be as dead as its fanbase
primal tide
lul
cerulean wagon
is it better or worse that it happened through biel tans back entrance
which was a portal
so they literaly shattered their ring
cerulean wagon
lol
atomic pelican
cerulean wagon
glad chapin got it
primal tide
i gotchu
cerulean wagon
itd be neat if they like
ever showed the tau doing their deception
a tau political drama would be a cool read
primal tide
its just two etherials in a room arguing for a whole book
about whether a burrito is a sandwich
and then the imperium blows them up in the last 5 pages
cursive hull
Honestly? Yes.
The T'au have to play such a careful game of politics to still get what they want but also not piss off anyone or anything otherwise not preoccupied with not killing them.
storm jungle
Again its literally total war
bribe the faction by spamming them with gifts
then just initiate trade
😎
cursive hull
...Which is actually what they do, which is hilarious
storm jungle
I can relate because i do it a lot
ashen zenith
@storm jungle warhammer stores are so cool
I understand now how people spend 60 bucks on mini boxes
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
its like
i love the concept of the tau
a new empire, unaware of the world
make very aggressive plays because they dont realise the scale of the threat
lots of underhanded diplomatic actions and bribery
median sundial
The Tau coming into 40k I like to imagine being a more grandiose version of that KSI clip where he and his brother completely fall into sheer panic.
cerulean wagon
liie one of my fav scenesin ciaphas cain books
is him walking into a diplomatic meeting with tau
and they have humans serving the drinks n shit
and its specifically done to put the human diplomat off balance
but the human diplomat has been at the game for decades and knows the tricks of the trade and is there in formal tau gear, can speak in the tau language and is comfortable using the.. unorthodox furniture provided
storm jungle
"unorthodox furniture"
and yeah tau are really sneaky diplomats
people forget that a lot ontop of all the "lul melee" jokes i guess
and a good mix of some spicy communism and fish memes, the cornerstone of any tau joke
cerulean wagon
its cause people dont like to mentiont the sneaky diplomacy
"nooo tau are the good guys !!!! >:("
vapid tiger
I like the xenology story where an ethereal uses reverse psychology to bring an Imperial world into the fold
cerulean wagon
maybe its less dont like to mention it and more it goes over their heads
median sundial
its cause people dont like to mentiont the sneaky diplomacy
You say that while there are actual people who argue in favor of the Imperium, and the only reason they would is because it's the only human faction that isn't Chaos.
''GUYS GUYS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IMPERIUM IS ACTUALLY THE SECRET GOOD GUIYS'' Yeah, and I'm the Silent King.
vapid tiger
gw update tau and focus on the auxiliaries
Update all the kroot and vespid stuff, add in the forge world kroot units that are discontinued but in plastic this time, maybe add in a new auxiliary race, and then add conversion kits for the imperial guard and a gue'vesa special character for gue'vesa
You have instantly created a third human faction that isn't Imperial or Chaos while also expanding the range of tau minis in a very interesting way
That already exists in lore
Just barely featured due to not having models
primal tide
gross dont remind us the vespid exist
median sundial
Vespids?
primal tide
haha
final spruce
Yeah the bees dudes working for the Taus
final spruce
I just spent 3 hours just cleaning up a 10 man squad
primal tide
older than most of the people in this server lmao
final spruce
I ahte it
cerulean wagon
literally an antique, has survived an entire generation of existence
what a cursed existence
median sundial
Honestly if GW suddenly got a clue what people want other than Marines, they'd spend the rest of the Edition giving every model a nice spick and spam look so that everyone gets their turn to be cool again.
final spruce
Imagine what the eldar and tyranids must feel when its the case for their whole range lmao
final spruce
Honestly if GW suddenly got a clue what people want other than Marines, they'd s...
This is what they've been doing now for 3 years
I still got metal banshees
They are, faction by faction , updating them
final spruce
SM, Necrons, SoB and now Orks
final spruce
Ofc, in 15 fucking years
cerulean wagon
the thought that terrifies me honestly
is everyone getting updates
including IG
except
they dont update the standard infantry
primal tide
and then thats it for the next 25 years
atomic pelican
I just wish Tyranids weren't so boring rules wise, I can even have fun with CWE but Tyranids put me to SLEEP
cerulean wagon
because they got the head expansion
nids should be so much more but arent
and i should sleep
hmmm
atomic pelican
I feel like every horde faction does being a horde better than nids can
Cults actually do it better imo
cerulean wagon
primal tide
what in the fuck is that emote
final spruce
What IG got wasn't on the scale the other factions received Skelly
final spruce
Why you complaining then ?
We both know our time will come
And its not the first time we had this very argument either
cerulean wagon
and it terrifies me to think thats our update. it probably isnt but the doubt is there
primal tide
hey man just 3d print some parts
vapid tiger
Honestly if GW suddenly got a clue what people want other than Marines, they'd s...
Aye
Craftworld eldar and nids deserve priority
And then after they finish all of that world eaters and ec deserve codices since the other two monogod legions have them
And then they can focus on primaris legion of the damned or whatever the fuck they want to do
final spruce
So far , imo the chaos minis have been handled decently
GW seems to want to give each legion their love
median sundial
Oh speaking of Chaos I watched a video talking about Chaos corruption and holy shit I forgot how terrifying they are. The story of the Space Marine having a swarm of flies invade his body leading to him, his brothers, and a shitton of dead guardsmen to sing out in joyful choir is probably one of the scariest 40k stories I've heard.
Same goes for the Tzeentch part of the vid describing a platoon of Thousand Sons mutating into amorphous blobs of metal and flesh, scaring a Space Wolf so much that he audibly yells ''MONSTER" as he kills one of them.
coarse mirage
<:POLmao:827222105166184471>
primal tide
coarse mirage
https://tenor.com/view/fubuki-looking-doko-hololive-doko-mitenda-gif-20608288
TO-NI-KA-KU! YAREEEE!
crisp heath
TO-NI-KA-KU! YAREEEE!
odd sparrow
everyone here is a weeb
slow prawn
The Emperor is actually a VTuber currently to raise money to do his experiments. We’re trying to figure out which one
peak hamlet
open marsh
The Ecclesiarchy are just simps for Big E
frosty cobalt
Big E hit 1 billion subs
couple more zeros
broken kayak
everyone here is a weeb
odd sparrow
ur my dork
odd tulip
weebs are dorks
Hey! I represent that!
broken kayak
Hey! I ~~rep~~resent that!
odd tulip
cringe is an outdated meme anyways. Watch what you wanna watch, like what you wanna like, don't make fun of people for their hobbies.
cerulean wagon
Why is lorechat filled with vtubers
apologies i used an emote
wasn't expecting the flood
odd sparrow
cringe is an outdated meme anyways. Watch what you wanna watch, like what you wa...
ppl who unironically use cringe to poke fun at ppl deserve hellfire
odd tulip
What is a vtuber
A person who uses an AI to imitate anime girls on livestreams
odd tulip
ppl who unironically use cringe to poke fun at ppl deserve hellfire
I blame 4chan, but I blame them for a lot of things
odd sparrow
ye it's p funky. like, basically a streamer except instead of a normal cam they put it through this anime-ish filter
plus p sure voice and everything, getting in characterish
odd sparrow
I blame 4chan, but I blame them for a lot of things
chan culture is a poison tbh
cerulean wagon
What is a vtuber
people who use a virtual avatar to stream, usualy they act as a character but in some cases its just for staying anonymous
as anonymous as you can be on the internet
dim totem
ahh
atomic pelican
I dont rlly watch streams but Its kinda cute
odd tulip
I find it extremely uncanny valley.
odd sparrow
bet significant money at least like 30% of vtubers are trans ppl who wanna stream comfortably
odd sparrow
I find it extremely uncanny valley.
idk it's not so bad? Like, the actual avatar thing they use isn't trying to be realistic
for me i only get uncanny valley if it's like, it resembles an actual human but not quite
atomic pelican
I think it depends on the avatar
odd sparrow
anime girls just look like anime girls
atomic pelican
Anime girls are a different species so theyre far enough to mot be uncanny for me
dim totem
I feel old
odd tulip
I find often the facial animations dont line up with whats being said, or occasionally a piece of the face will glitch out and act weird
I'm not a fan, but to each their own.
Regardless, I have let this wildly off topic discussion go on for too long
atomic pelican
Uhh quick save
odd sparrow
my preference is just streamers with no cam at all tbh
odd tulip
if ya wanna shitpost vtubers, #735951004989784104 is your friend
storm jungle
40k is anime someone say something quickly
atomic pelican
Major 40k characters as internet personalities go
odd sparrow
ur correct
broken kayak
40k is anime someone say something quickly
dim totem
Play nice
storm jungle
no
broken kayak
<:slap:733179221102297213>
dim totem
Look what you did
vernal zinc
wat
plucky moth
ur my dork
plucky moth
Hey! I ~~rep~~resent that!
||Same||
coarse mirage
https://tenor.com/view/guilty-dog-didntdonothing-gif-9496828
DOUBLE NEGATIVE
broken kayak
DOUBLE NEGATIVE
😏
plucky moth
dim totem
ashen zenith
40k is anime someone say something quickly
I wish
storm jungle
Tbh it almost is
give it time im sure some animations will pop up sooner or later
ashen zenith
One of the animations on + kinnda looks like anime
visual pumice
British anime
barren tapir
Oh no
ashen zenith
Well, "anime" since it wouldn't be made in Japan
barren tapir
Oh no
open marsh
British anime
This
storm jungle
Yeah its also one of the reasons why you cant do live-action 40k
animation is the only alternative
plucky moth
it's Anime X WWE
open marsh
I remember there was a live action 40k short film in the 90s
It was so bad that its absolutely loveable
storm jungle
Inquisitor or the Ultramarines movie?
open marsh
neither
gusty fulcrum
DAMNIT WAS ABOUT TO POST IT lol
the clips from the old epic game make fora pretty good short film themselves
the hell it keeps posting the same thing
there we go
better clip
broken kayak
odd sparrow
genestealer looking motherfucker
open marsh
Magloghurst's armour is the pinnacle of traitor marine aesthetic
dim totem
Ohhh, who's that handsome traitor?
open marsh
Magloghurst, of the Sons of Horus
broken kayak
Ohhh, who's that handsome traitor?
Maloghurst the Twisted
storm jungle
Sounds like a good lad
dim totem
Only thing i dislike is the tactical rock
open marsh
Real talk. His armour aesthetic should be the standard for the Black legion and Iron Warriors even in 40k. Chaosy, but well maintained.
dim totem
Other than that looks great
open marsh
I kinda dig it, giving that "field repaired" look
(tho I agree it would look better as a standard vent)
dim totem
You can cut those off and place a standard vent, depending on how big the leftover surface is
But I don't mind the double vents
broken kayak
Ork Psyker Wurrboyz
dim totem
V cool
odd sparrow
🦀 my humanity is gone 🦀
barren tapir
TBH i dislike those Ad. Mech. representation
But that image should depict metalica, a world know to kinda despise all biological things
barren tapir
I agree, but i find that dumb, not creepy
odd sparrow
idk how so?
odd sparrow
he's a good boy
cerulean wagon
itd be dumb if it wasnt effective
barren tapir
No perfect optimisation of stuff, just random stuff putted together to say "ha ha body horror, ah ah machine instead of body ah ah"
barren tapir
I prefer other images
cerulean wagon
they are about giving to the machine god
barren tapir
They are about being optimised
odd sparrow
I def dont really associate admech with perfect optimisation yeah. Not with most sects leastways
like
barren tapir
In a very weird way
odd sparrow
it looks like that's depicting some kind of ritual, which is like
odd sparrow
ridiculous inefficient silly rituals are the name of the game lol
barren tapir
I think i'm failing to express myself in a decent way
odd sparrow
have u completed the rite of the initiation of the rite of the activation of the ipod
potent swift
This is the same faction that builds valkyries but uses jet powered ornithopters
odd sparrow
silence
odd sparrow
it's shrouded in darkness anyways
cerulean wagon
atleast the servos i can tell what it is
potent swift
Optimal was never in the cards
storm jungle
but wtf is that dilara
Its basically what Igor Sid does with all his art
like
just make the foreground pic detailed
then yolo the sides of the artwork
its why i dont like him a lot
cerulean wagon
barren tapir
This is the same faction that builds valkyries but uses jet powered ornithopters
Eh, that is GW fault that wanted to ruin that part of a faction thinking to improve it
odd sparrow
the wingcopters are the only janky part of new admech imo. they just look kinda weird
storm jungle
the wingcopters are the only janky part of new admech imo. they just look kinda ...
Yeah this
odd sparrow
everything else from admech lately is great