40k-lore-chat

[serene jungle]

So the space furry dwarves are in

[storm jungle]

which is weird because every campaign for this game is gold

the dialogue especially lol

[atomic pelican]

Might just be chaos being

Kinda boring of a option imo

Reskinned imperial vessels oh boy

[peak hamlet]

Yeah the warships were to protect them from possible ambushes

[atomic pelican]

Tau/Eldar campaign wouldve been better since both have developed navies ans are more unique

[peak hamlet]

You don't send a trade fleet through a warzone without an escort to protect em

[atomic pelican]

Drukhari raid campaign wouldve been even more hilarious

[storm jungle]

Drukhari get 2 dialogue encounters in all the campaigns

both interactions are good but i agree i really wish there was more

[atomic pelican]

God drukhari in every game are hilarious

[storm jungle]

"Do you have a name primitive?"

me:

[atomic pelican]

Ive been playing their Soulstorm campaign and its great

Eldar make DoW more enjoyable for me

Craftworlds bcuz webway gates take away the clunkiness of movement, and Drukhari because haha raider go ZOOM

[peak hamlet]

That lemon

Hand it over

[storm jungle]

...

👐

all yours

[peak hamlet]

🔫

[crisp heath]

Is this true

[peak hamlet]

😳

[storm jungle]

YEP

Fulgrim in the book is like

full-on horny and weird

Perturabo and his legion literally go "What the fuck happened to you" when they first meet

Some of his marines almost choke from the demonic perfume smell on them

[potent swift]

Petey trying to deal with the all the bullshit his brothers turn into sounds like comedy gold

[storm jungle]

lmao it is

the book is great

[crisp heath]

LOL

i want to read this

this is the book where Pert smashes Fulgrim's face into a toy model?

[storm jungle]

LOL YEAH

Hes like

"Can you hear its gears fulgrim?"

"I cannot"

"Lean closer"

[strange depot]

spoilers for 29000 years from now

[crisp heath]

hahaha

[storm jungle]

then he just

out of nowhere slams his head in lmao

its a really fun book, fully recommend it

[crisp heath]

werd

ill add it to da list

reading gaunts ghosts 1 rn

took me a while to really get it

but im enjoyin it

[strange depot]

gaunts is a pretty slow burn

picks up with book 2

[storm jungle]

Gaunts Ghosts is like I.G Game of Thrones too

[crisp heath]

yeah im gettin that now

nice

I haven't really seen Abnett do that kinda thing yet so it's refreshing

[strange depot]

Dan does good work

[crisp heath]

also its cool to see some characters from the inquistion books get name dropped

like helldane and ravenor

[strange depot]

Double Eagle is a great read

takes place during the same crusade

[potent swift]

So does Titanicus

Although that I one I feel is one of Dan's lesser works

[strange depot]

I have seen serious glowing praise for the infinite and the divine

I have to get that next

almost finished Blood and Darkness

[potent swift]

I'm currently working my way through Gate of Bones currently

[strange depot]

Bloodlines

one I tried recently, very weird to have a cop story in 40K

just a dude trying to find someone

the little bits in the story that don't mean anything to him because he's just some asshole without our top down knowledge of the Galaxy

[wispy widget]

Question for the historians of the imperium what organization and subgroup handles the documentation of the imperium's history? And who does it for the mechanicus?

[smoky mauve]

I'd have thought the inquisition. Then it filters the curated history to the adeptus ministorum, and through there the arbiters to give the 'true' history

And the mechanics, considering how they largely horde knowledge do something sinilar

[potent swift]

Back during the Great Crusade there were the Remembrancers whose whole job was to follow the Legions around and record everything they did

Nowadays there are the... Historitors I think they're called? Who fulfill largely the same purpose while also sorting out all the bullshit misinformation from the real facts and figure out what the hell has actually happened since the Heresy

they're a very recent thing too, Bobby G put them together after realizing how much of a mess Imperial records are

[wispy widget]

I thank you as in a rpg game I'm doing I'm makeing something similar to the imperium and I never actually knew who did the historical documentation for the admech and imperium

[stray kestrel]

There's also I shit you not an Ordo Grammaticus who's job is to ensure that low and high gothic do not deviate too wildly across the Imperium. Because of course there is. Thats an actual serious problem.

[cloud kindle]

prob the most boring inquisition posting

[cursive hull]

I mean

[stray kestrel]

90% boring but then the people that get to go to frontier worlds and newly rediscovered places get actually interesting linguistics jobs. And the probably non zero number of language based demons/xenos/heretical shenanigans straight out of an SCP article.

[cursive hull]

If most people (Except your nobility) don't even speak high gothic, its kind of important to retain it.

Just the same, most citizens of the Imperium speak low gothic, so it has to remain at least a little standardized.

[stray kestrel]

mm, its got a dumb name but holy shit that'd be a gargantuan task. It makes sense to have an Ordo dedicated to it.

they have enough issues with bureaucratical fuckups without adding language mismatches to that list

[cursive hull]

Definitely.

[barren tapir]

The official imperial agency that should do record keeping is the Estate Imperium, which is part of the adeptus administratum...
Someone already stated that Guillman created another agency that should work to make a true and reasonable history of the imperium called Logos Historica Verita without revisionism made by religious fanatics or other stuff...

[cursive hull]

That has to be hellish

[barren tapir]

They clash with the inquisition too

But the inquisition clash with everyone, even with itself sooo

[cursive hull]

Trying to discover the true history of the Imperium has to be like the ultimate game of hide and go fuck yourself.

Genuinely, I cannot imagine the level of shit they're going to go through trying to find literally anything close to the truth.

[barren tapir]

Oh, and by the m42 it is estimated that it has around 500 people working in it

[final spruce]

That's not a lot

[cursive hull]

Christ

That's...

Some seriously low numbers

How guilliman thinks this project will get done before the heat death of the universe, I don't know.

[strange depot]

Guilliman is an optimist

also what else is he going to do? Go big or go to the warp

he won't wuss out like Corvus or get disappeared like Dorn

[vagrant osprey]

Guilliman prioritized it based on how much it actually matters.

You can retrain IG to speak proper low-gothic easily enough

Honestly, I'm pretty sure math has fallen by the wayside.

The numbers basically never make sense :V

Hive worlds have "trillions", but when one gets exterminatus'd without any evacuation it's "millions of deaths"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[storm jungle]

Thats more on the writers than anything else

[rotund siren]

honestly, I would love to have a logistician, or whatever the proper title is, slowly descend into madness as they try to explain or solve all of 40k's logistics issues

just like "Yeah so they think it's the year 40,000 or so but they are not sure because time is different in different areas. Also, did I tell you about how billions of guards are sent from this one hive world every couple decades and yet they can keep doing that infinitely? They also never run out of ammo, fuel, or any resources really, despite some worlds having been inhabited and mined out for literally tens of thousands of years."

and that's just the small stuff, off the top of my head

[vagrant osprey]

See, some of that can be explained.

Time actually DOES pass differently at different places, and you can actually map out the chronodivergence stemming from purely relativistic effects.

If a hive world has a population of trillions, quadrillions, or quintillions, then sending out billions of guards every decade is basically a flat nothing.

A bigger question is where the fuck are those guards going, since the fatality counts don't even get close to large enough for that.

[potent swift]

There's also an entire branch of the Inquisition that specifically deals with time travel nonsense, the Ordo Chronos.

[vagrant osprey]

The Third war for Armageddon was, what, 2 million dead?

That was the first Ordo Chronos, yeah. The second Ordo Chronos exists to sort out the Chronostrife.

[barren tapir]

Eh, not really, the Ordo chronos started the chronostrife with the logos historica veritas

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chronostrife

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ordo_Chronos

[vagrant osprey]

Anyway, this again falls under "Math has fallen by the wayside", because you can actually serialize the order of events for any number of sequences with divergent time rates as long as no sequence has a negative component.

Time flowing backwards can break things.

[grand minnow]

I may be getting this wrong about the adeptus mechanicus.
But if its heracy to invent anything, why hasnt anyone pretend to just "discover" old tech

[cerulean wagon]

They have done that before, yes

[grand minnow]

ah they lie to themselves

[storm jungle]

Yeah the imperium is filled with hypocrites FYI

[cursive hull]

I mean

Its standard operating procedure

By the Adeptus Mechanicus own faith, all knowledge exists already

They merely have to find it

Hence why no one can innovate anything (Except Cawl for now state sanctioned reasons)

...And in fairness, in some cases its probably for the best.

Its one thing to want to innovate and make a better las-gun.

Its another if you accidentally spell a daemon's name into the internal circuitry and the entire factory line gets possessed and the las guns start detonating when anyone touches them.

[rose thorn]

Am I stupid or was there a minor species that were like, color changing slugs?

Wait am I thinking of FTL?

[final spruce]

in FTL I don't think they changed colors

They had telepathy and could mindread

[rose thorn]

Yea

I think that’s what I was thinking of

[final spruce]

I mean the Nagi, the slug like race allied to the Taus has a similar effect

[rose thorn]

Holy fucking shit they are adorable

Looks at them with their little little helmets and shoulder guns holy shit I love them

[grand minnow]

Worm boys, i love em

[serene jungle]

what the hell is that, they are cute

[crisp heath]

Xeno scum

I wonder what they taste like

[cursive hull]

I don't

I demand the Imperium take a minute (Because that's likely all it would take) and dominate this xenos species systems, and forcibly relocate their entire population to petting zoo's.

Because they are adorable.

[gusty fulcrum]

When the hell they add these fucking pokemon/digimon lol

[atomic pelican]

Those aren't official models

[gusty fulcrum]

ah lol

looks pretty good

man sometimes its hard to tell whats a costum model and when they add something cuz you havnt been keeping up on stuff.

but then again im more into teh lore tehn keeping track of the tabletop at this point. Hell im still trying to catch up one the latest stuff with the eye exploding

Though i wanna get into the tabletop rpgs

Also outside of the kroot i dont really keep track of the tau lol

[coarse mirage]

There were one that fought the Imperium that were like incandescent bugs

They changed color and make noises

[serene jungle]

They better be

best drones

[gusty fulcrum]

I believe you are thinking of the thyrrus

the believe the universe is a stage for thier gods and the mortals are the actors so they gotta be as theatrical and over the top as possible for the gods entertainment

havign infantry take on tank divisions, vehicles plowing through infantry basicly humans frind their tactics baffeling

thier guns are bascily portable lightshows that can cut through tanks

[peak hamlet]

Damn

[gusty fulcrum]

Yep they do everything in life as if their in a show from cooking to fighting

if they do cook anyways its kinda implied they can eat solid foods but their mouth is this wierd filter feeding thing

They also can shift to all sortsa colors including bio glows and neon colors and change their skin similar to cuttlefish and shit but never use it for camoflage only just being as bright and loud as possible

[cursive hull]

I just realized something neat

Transonic weapons from 40k are, for all intents and purposes, Star Wars style vibroblades.

If ramped up to 11, anyway.

Meaning, should such a weapon ever appear (However unlikely) in a future live action 40k tv series or film, they can just rip the same effect the Mandalorian uses for its own Vibroblades.

[gusty fulcrum]

I belive 40k has vibro blades as well but theyre very rare

[cursive hull]

That's... Exactly what I said?

[gusty fulcrum]

I think in part cuz theres not much a vibro blade can do a powerblade cant

Well you said transonic

I mean they literaly have soemthing called a vibro blade but they dont go into stuff bout transonics

So i wasnt sure if you were counting them as diffrent

[cursive hull]

Basically the same thing.

Shrug

But yes, a Transonic weapon is the inbetween, power wise, of a chain weapon and a power weapon.

Transonic weapons are better at cutting than chain weapons, but are either equal to, or inferior to (Depending on the source) power weapons.

They do have the added benefit that so much as putting anything near their field of vibration gets cut, unlike the far more contained power field of a power sword or axe.

But, yes, Vibroblades from Star wars and Transonic weapons work identically.

And, ironically, also serve as the inbetween.

Standard, traditional melee weapons (metallic or otherwise melee weapons, swords, shivs, etc.) being inferior to Vibroblades, but vibroblades are inferior to Lightsabers. (That said, most vibro weapons are made of lightsaber resistant materials, so you could go toe to toe with someone armed with a lightsaber if you absolutely had to.)

[gusty fulcrum]

The one im thinking of is proabbaly from one of the tabletop games proabbaly rogue trader or one of the dark heresy expansions

Cuz its basicly had qualities of chain weapon and power blade but no it wasnt a frostblade

Cuz ya im reambering it did tearing and like the power weapons would destroy non power weapons ona aprry

[cursive hull]

Considering Rogue Trader and Dark Heresy are both pre Adeptus Mechanicus codex, its likely that the concept of the weapon originates there, but was given a proper name and identity later.

because Transonic weapons are wielded by Skitarii Ruststalkers.

[gusty fulcrum]

Ya this was meant to be eather an archeotek type weapon you could find or it was a one of a kind weapon cant rememrber which

[cerulean wagon]

pretty sure its from the RT random treasures generation table

from the planetary system and adventure creation book i forget the name of

[gusty fulcrum]

ya and my books are stuffed away

so i cant double check atm lol

[strange depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_UBsXEVdFw

[rose thorn]

Holy shit please tell me there is at least one model of these guys

[gusty fulcrum]

I think just what people have slapped together

[strange depot]

that's one of the things I dislike about new models, they have been made to make it more inconvenient to just convert what you want

[dim totem]

I often thi k the same but I havent really tried to convert anything that isnt SM or cadians

[strange depot]

with the sisters it is very clear, certain pieces don't fit because of square inserts and holes while some models have round or triangular holes

really annoying that a sisters squad only has right hand condemnor bolt guns but to get a left hand one you have to buy inquisitor greyfax or a canoness

[cursive hull]

I really, really hope the firstborn don't get replaced in canon or in the product line.

That would crush me, honestly. The Primaris are cool, but it'd be really fucking weird to just up and get rid of the Firstborn all together.

[vast frigate]

They wont

[final spruce]

It's what's happening in canon ...

[vast frigate]

so, a long while ago, in a galaxy very very close to us on the island known as Englandica

[crisp heath]

I imagine all but the major characters will eventually all be Primaris

[final spruce]

It says that more and more marines choose to undertake the rubicon procedure.

[cursive hull]

So, I don't know that much about some of the most ultra recent lore, but... Rubicon procedure? Like, I'm guessing the Firstborn are somehow brought to Primaris standards?

Even so. I just...

I dunno. The Firstborn are literally iconic.

[vast frigate]

So this is an oldie but people KEEP IGNORING IT HAPPENED or havent heard of it because people only want to see the bad and dont spread the good.
One of the devstreams they released had one of the lead designers explain the plans for FB and PB.

TLDR: He explained that primaris is their main focus for marines rightnow. HOWEVER. Normal marines wont leave the spotlight any time soon. They just wont be updated for now. Plans for updating chaos marines (has happened for a few kits now) in consistency and after that normal marines are down the pipelines.

[strange depot]

I imagine they will eventually

[vast frigate]

Please spread this fucking information far and wide

[strange depot]

The Primaris are there to replace them

[vast frigate]

because it was a month or so after primaris were released

Oh for fucks sake

[strange depot]

GW wants you to have to buy a whole new army

[vast frigate]

And they can do that by updating normal marines.

Ontop of that, GW has the overarching rule that ALL GAMES WORKSHOP RELEASED MODELS OF THE SAME NAME are viable for use.

You can use your 1st edition rhino.

[strange depot]

they wouldn't have created the "Calgar Procedure" if they intended to keep the First Born

[crisp heath]

Loyalty to Games Workshop, Loyalty to the brand, Primaris is salvation

[vast frigate]

they would

Updating their posterboys is mandatory

[cursive hull]

TBH. If that's the case. I have no problem with it.

So long as they give the Firstborn the war weathered look they deserve when they get new models? I'd be down.

[vast frigate]

They have more than enough normal marine characters that never got updated to new plastic sculpts from metal, they can still get those out.

[strange depot]

I mean they want Dante so they can sell Dante but the precedure exists to keep him

and Mephiston etc.

[vast frigate]

They are forcefully shifting the looks away from normal marines

Why would that be?

they already have stated with hard mention that they are not phasing out normal marines any time soon.

maybe because they know the kits need updates.

[storm jungle]

You make it sound like statements cant be revoked

and its GW so lel

[vast frigate]

of course they can

[storm jungle]

I dont trust them when it comes to the Firstborn

[strange depot]

they fucked that pooch with AOS hard

[storm jungle]

they're going to get phased out slowly

[vast frigate]

The thing is, they know they will lose customers if its a sudden ALL PRIMARIS ALL THE TIME

[strange depot]

they will outmode them eventually, they don't want people keeping their first born armies

[vast frigate]

theyre not dumb

[storm jungle]

B...But thats whats happening

like

for the last 4 years

[vast frigate]

Its not

They havent removed your firstborn rules

[storm jungle]

It... is?

[strange depot]

why sell you shit once when they can sell it twice?

[vast frigate]

they havent told you you cant use normos anymore

[strange depot]

CAPITALISM

[vast frigate]

they havent told you to suck it up and buy primaris

[strange depot]

IT'S ABOUT SELLING PRODUCTS

[storm jungle]

The only reason firstborn are around is because replacing every pre-existing marine model is a long process

[cursive hull]

I mean, it is somewhat true (if not overwhelmingly so) that Primaris do what Firstborn do better. The only difference is in point cost and flexibility.

[vast frigate]

they have simply gone ''We are shifting focus, for now'' They want to sell primaris because it is their truescale solution

I dont doubt they will replace em all

But that will come with another 4 editions

[strange depot]

that's enough time to fuck up another Dawn Of War

[vast frigate]

something radical has to happen for ALL normal marines to either die, or be upgraded

you cant just snap your finger and have cawl Rubricon every marine

he took days on the first recruits

[strange depot]

I mean canon time is something like 200+ years since the opening of the Rift

[vast frigate]

hed be permanently occupied

[strange depot]

that's a long time

[vast frigate]

theres more marines than warranted time

[cursive hull]

The only way I'd really be entirely sold on Firsborn not being phased out is if they get a rules update or twenty that give them a more solid reason to be taken over Primaris.

[cursive hull]

Not by Warhammer standards, in fairness.

[vast frigate]

and hes dicking around in the Noctis labyrinth so who knows what the fuck is gonna happen

[strange depot]

it's a long time for a lot of wars to happen

[vast frigate]

Secretly hoping for all firstborn to get heresy-level upgrades

fucking, salamanders strolling out with that unique pattern flamer armor the size of a fucking dreadnought

[strange depot]

the difference between Heresy and Orthodoxy is how many people are alive to complain

[vast frigate]

I think, for designs, they might be stuck on how to replace the entirety of the range as a setup

[cursive hull]

...So with the Priesthood... Literally all of them.

[vast frigate]

Tac marines, upgrade kits, terminator armor, vehicles

[cursive hull]

Tech Priests live a very long time.

[vast frigate]

Depending on, yes

[cursive hull]

And not all of them go into being Secutors or Myrmadons or whatever.

[strange depot]

you can replace them, Dracon Vangorage did

if that is even how it is spelled

[vast frigate]

your job determines whether youre gonna be chonky long lives or short end the sawed-off shotgun

an example is cawl

[strange depot]

and the Mechanicus are prime for a schism, I am betting that is in the future

[cursive hull]

You mean that insane guy who got killed by the proto-sisters?

[storm jungle]

Its probably gonna happen in the End Times in 90+ yers when 40k stops making money

[barren tapir]

That is goge vandire

[vast frigate]

who has been nestled in the perfect position of being able to transfer his very fucking soul

On the other end a normal dominus with lots of age therapy and a fully mechanical body is a chonker as well

[strange depot]

a power struggle between the Arch Magus Dominus and the Fabricator General

[storm jungle]

its the best way to effectively cripple the mechanicus

that and the void dragon twist

[strange depot]

@barren tapirno, that's the Reign of Blood

[storm jungle]

*Doge

[strange depot]

I am talking about the War of the Beast

[vast frigate]

Cawl, by lore logic, wont ever become FG, do remember that

there are few things GW cant change, nearly all of mars hating cawl is one of them

[cursive hull]

I still find it funny that they used the term for the leader of the Merchant Republic of Venice for Vandire's title.

[strange depot]

wrong person

[barren tapir]

I was answering Carroboi, he was referring to vandire, not vangorich

[storm jungle]

Again they can

Lore doesnt matter

It can be changed on the whim

For now cawl has a niche role, and hes gonna stay there

[vast frigate]

So undermine all of cawls lore then

[barren tapir]

Since you like precision it isn't even the war of the beast, it is called the beheadig

[vast frigate]

all of his sneaking around

[storm jungle]

Yes?

You think GW cares? lol

As long as you give any reasonable lore excuse anything can happen in 40k

[strange depot]

which is part of the war of the beast 😛

12 books

not 11 and 1

[vast frigate]

all of his careful work to make sure he hasnt gotten caught with his necron-diddleing, technology-adjusting, body-jumping hands

[storm jungle]

Again

Yes

[vast frigate]

because ALL of that is heretekal

Dilara again i feel like you hate GW too much to give them writing credit on anything but being bad

[storm jungle]

I dont

Its literally the truth

[barren tapir]

Cawl isn't an heretek

[vast frigate]

GW is a bunch of fucknuts but you always rag on the lore

regardless of what they do

[storm jungle]

?

[vast frigate]

He invented new mechanicals, he literally is

[strange depot]

I think there will be a schism over the definition of Heretek

[storm jungle]

They literally make the statement that models come first before lore

Im not hating on them lol

Its the same reason why the primaris came out of nowhere

[vast frigate]

yeah i still havent figured that one out

[storm jungle]

You just need a good lore explanation and anything can pop rigth in

thats just how it is

🤷‍♀️

[cursive hull]

I doubt the Priesthood will split, actually.

Yes, Cawl is an outlier, but like...

[barren tapir]

Debatable... Many thinks that he is, but in truth is just a question of POV

[strange depot]

I don't think they will split but there will be a conflict

[vast frigate]

''Primaris!''
Why?
''Cawl!''
How?
''Emperor man said yes!''
Uh... when?
''YES!''

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[vast frigate]

Oh yeah there will be a spicy SCHISM alright

[vast frigate]

on this notion

just see my status

thats literally the mechanicus

[strange depot]

the winner will decide whether cawl is a heretek or channeling the omnissiah's great design

[cursive hull]

As self destructive as both the Priesthood and humanity are at their most fucky-wucky, wouldn't it just utterly demolish what little the Mechanicus has managed to find (and horde) to have a big schism.

[vast frigate]

Literally

[barren tapir]

Ah, yes, funny quote... I like that

[vast frigate]

you could find a techpriest whose left and right hemispheres of brain have differing opinions

and im not even sure if thatd be a joke at this point

[storm jungle]

||it isnt||

[cursive hull]

Like, they'd literally fail their entire Religion's purpose by having yet another schism, demolishing what little remains after the damage done by the Age of Strife and then the Heresy.

[strange depot]

don't forget Cawl is about 14 different people and at least one of them wants to be Fabricator General as well as Arch Magus Dominus

[barren tapir]

Since some tech-priest remove one of their hemispheres to put in more logic engines it can be possible

[vast frigate]

CONSIDERING there are tech priests that have uh, well... fused their brains...

together.,..

in tandem...

[strange depot]

he's not building and outfitting a chapter of his own for no reason

[storm jungle]

a schism really wont happen unless the mechanicus needs to get steamrolled as a faction

[vast frigate]

to operate as a discussive battery to provide tactical feedback....

[storm jungle]

so they're held together by tape for now

[vast frigate]

I mean thats chadmech

its why we love them so much

mars is probably the most volatile Moonshine pit in the imperium tho

[cursive hull]

And, theoretically, they might end up just having a reformation, and adjust course.

Its not like they'll implode entirely.

[strange depot]

Tech Protestants

[barren tapir]

Actually it could happen even before... Just different factions for the people who want to lean on one direction

[storm jungle]

Yeah again just needs a spark in lore to set it off

[vast frigate]

The fourth fucking time they had a planetary war, they erected a statement of non-interference and fought for 3 years while maintaining output

[cursive hull]

But again, dividing one's knowledge even more seems like a complete backwards step from what the entire Ad mech faction as a whole is even about.

[barren tapir]

There are tons of things that can spark a schism... And it had already happened before, just look at the moirae schism

[vast frigate]

''Yes lord admiral, we are moving the shipme- THERUM -7 I KNOW I WANT TO TEAR YOUR HEAD OFF BUT WATCH THE SHIPMENTS WHEN YOU SHOOT AT ME YOU FUCKING RUSTBUCKET''

[cursive hull]

I'm not saying it can't happen, just that it seems so utterly self destructive that they won't come to some civil war.

At least

Not a faction wide one

[storm jungle]

Every faction in 40k is self destructive tbh

its one of the reasons why same armies can fight each other

"you stole my shiny thing"

"no u"

[cursive hull]

But not to the extent of failing entirely.

[strange depot]

Civil war can be fought on the down low

[cursive hull]

Like...

The Imperium isn't a failed state

It still functions.

[vast frigate]

Can you imagine being such a fucking load of shitsticks.
SUCH A LOAD OF FUCKLORDS

That you keep up productions, During the fact that youre slamdunking your neighbours in half?

[strange depot]

some targets might be missed and tithing might be erratic

[storm jungle]

Yeah nah a faction in 40k would never fail entirely ala an end times scenario, otherwise nobody is going anywhere

[strange depot]

even the Inquisition has difficulty really penetrating the mechanicum

[cursive hull]

That was on purpose, tbh.

And I like that best about the Mechanicus

[vast frigate]

On that

Remember what Stygies did

[barren tapir]

NOTHING! STYGIES DID NOTHING!

[cursive hull]

Inquisition: "Do what we say, or else?"

Mechanicus: "Guess you won't be getting any more ships, ammo, guns, servitors, or any maintenance for a while."

Inquisition: "Fuck."

[vast frigate]

Remember that they uploaded a virus to the core systems of the fucking Ordo Hereticus Just to delete existing data

[storm jungle]

++Rick Rolled++

[rotund siren]

ah yes

regarding illegal stuff

[barren tapir]

NOT TRUE!

[vast frigate]

fucking

[storm jungle]

Is that suppose to be a bad thing

the inquisition deserves everything that happens to it

[vast frigate]

''I read yesterday that the guys down below have a function shard of eldaeri core generator system''
Oh, let me see
''Theta-12 where the fuck is my dataslate memory gone off to?''

[strange depot]

it varies from day to day what happens to the inquisition

[cursive hull]

Honestly, if you be that dumb on purpose, you're gonna get fucked over.

[storm jungle]

and get your shiny things stolen

[vast frigate]

The issue i think mainly with the Inquisition on the case of Stygies was

they literally got played

SEVERAL times

[strange depot]

sounds like the CIA

🏀
🗑️

[barren tapir]

It is just the inquisition being butthurt that the high lords told it to stop bitching about stygies

[storm jungle]

^

That rosette flinging can only get them so far

[vast frigate]

''Okay okay we're sorry, take this data slate and accept our apologies, we surrender by morning come.''
Said dataslate contains a virus that self-hides and perpeptuates, deleting data on Stygies older than 4 weeks and replaces it with dummy items.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DASLDeEIq44

[storm jungle]

schwacked

[cursive hull]

https://youtu.be/_fzGRyHANAU?t=14 The High Lords to the Inquisition.

[rotund siren]

lmao

[vast frigate]

i swear the entirety of stygies just found an old SSD with like, a quintillion memes

they adhere to it

''Alien waifus? Gotcha we have those. HEY BACTA-18, GET THE MEME FILES OUT WE NEED TO IMPRESS THE ELDAERI WITH OUR STASH''

[rotund siren]

lmao

[storm jungle]

Is that a bad thing?

[vast frigate]

''What is a poggers...? Coggers perhaps? Magos that staff you have is quite Coggers.''

[cursive hull]

Still prefer mother mars, but Stygies is hilarious I'll give it that.

[vast frigate]

''Ancient 'Mechanic?' performing ritual? Must be a long ancestor to the Lexmechanic surely, he is using rudementary tools... yes yes, clearly. No humor here, only data.''

[barren tapir]

Hilarious? They make the best gun barrels, and chemical propellant, that on top of being quite open minded on the average of the mechanicus

[vast frigate]

I swear to fuck theyd treat a data drive full of memes as ancient knowledge

[storm jungle]

memes are knowledge tho

[strange depot]

I want a book about the mechanicus discovering twitter and relaunching it

[storm jungle]

technically speaking

[vast frigate]

true

[strange depot]

to the ruination of all

[storm jungle]

[barren tapir]

That is all mechanicus

[strange depot]

also Kojima

[final spruce]

Did someone say ... MEMES ?!

THE MEMES JACK

[storm jungle]

They are everything we pass on

[vast frigate]

''My fellow cogitator-occupators. We have found the ancient omni-code of the application known as 'Twitter.' A short burst data medium for quick communications. Our inspections have led to us realizing that it is acceptable to share newly generated Memetics on it. See the guides on how to create a log-on code.''

[final spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmzay5oAwOM

[rotund siren]

I betcha if the pyramids still existed, the Mechanicus would destroy them because they got archives of the History channel

[vast frigate]

i can speak way more cogboy but i prefer to keep it readable

[strange depot]

14 hours later a new civil war

[vast frigate]

Ive written 12 a-4 pages of fucking admech data

just for an RPG

[rotund siren]

wow

[strange depot]

NERD

[rotund siren]

incredible

NERD

[vast frigate]

LISTEN YOU FUCK

MY PLAYERS WILL DO PAPERWORK

[strange depot]

throws shoe

[vast frigate]

AND IF THEY DONT THEY GET THE LOBOTOMY

[storm jungle]

So okay

All I got out of this entire conversation was

[strange depot]

throws other shoe

[storm jungle]

stygies do memes?

or something?

[vast frigate]

Stygies have close ties to eldar

[storm jungle]

Thats it?

[vast frigate]

due to the imperium pretty much abandoning them during the wars

and the eldar saving them

[strange depot]

eldar probably have the biggest meme repository

[storm jungle]

I mean good for them

[vast frigate]

So, the stygbros decided that Xenos aint that bad

still a little tho

[strange depot]

Trazyn just stole all theirs

[vast frigate]

The ordo Hereticus and Xenos inspected them

decided; this bad

So they launched a shadow assault, raiding their data stores and copying literal tetrabytes of data

[strange depot]

Xenophilic Heretics

[barren tapir]

Stygies was saved by eldar during the heresy, so those tech-priest saw that as the omnissaiah using xenos to save them, and that made them interested in xenos tech

[vast frigate]

Stygies internal silent alarms blared like fuck and they knew they had to prevent the externalization for their logs. So they did the logical thing;
They confessed to the ordo on request that their official surrender would be days later

They handed over a data slate with ''requests for processing''

That data slate was plugged in for reading as it had a large data store on it....

[strange depot]

BUREAUCRACY!!!

[vast frigate]

and that data store was partly a self-replicating and hiding Virus that rapidly spread throughout all inquisition cogitators and cogitator banks, nullifying all data on Stygies and replacing it with fake variants and false information.

[barren tapir]

Also stygies is know to be extremely shadowy in its stuff...

[vast frigate]

TLDR: Stygies got caught kissing eldar feet, was told to go and commit on off switch, asked for 2 days of pause, bamboozled all of the inquisition with uh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764447332288561152/843839335308853298/the_sus_virus.mp4

This

[rotund siren]

USB commits kill

[vast frigate]

For those interested, i have a copy of this on a thumbdrive

[rotund siren]

oh

why

[vast frigate]

yes

[rotund siren]

understandable sir, have a nice day

[barren tapir]

It seems something overloaded the system of Elyksis...

It seems on a rampage today...

[strange depot]

but mah computes

[barren tapir]

Or just the most recent hours

[storm jungle]

Yeah

Im just gonna read the lexi

googles

[odd sparrow]

i have been meaning to fuck around with some VM meme viruses tbh

they seem fun and uh

,,, perhaps as good chaotic neutral gifts in drives

[plucky moth]

There are some good ones out there

Ngl it’s been fun watching AVs try to take on various malwares as like, background noise when I’m studying

[peak hamlet]

Thx but no

Why do you have one lmao

[odd sparrow]

Why don't you have one

[crisp heath]

is this a real quote

[sullen cape]

No

[strange depot]

Magnus is wrong though

especially about the bull horn nipples

[vast frigate]

remove bullhorn nipples

add twink

[atomic pelican]

exceptional

[storm jungle]

More like twunk

[vast frigate]

god im in love with the magnus twunk design

[storm jungle]

Amriagiath does great stuff

[odd sparrow]

,,, i still have strong feelings on croptop magnus

[vast frigate]

looking up their commission sheet

[storm jungle]

Its totally worth it

[strange depot]

NO FUN IN 40K

None

[crisp heath]

Go read a cain book if you want that stuff 😤

[cloud kindle]

no funny scenes

why bother

[crisp heath]

😠

[strange depot]

I'd try to convince them to make a picture of Guilliman slipping on a banana peel

Everyone has a price that principles can't beat

[primal tide]

Theoretical: Someone let the jokaeros out of their cage
Practical: ow my ass

[peak hamlet]

I got a zipbomb somewhere but thats it

[vagrant osprey]

complicated mechanics
So they don't draw 40k?
complicated architecture
So they don't draw 40k?

furry | anthro
You know, arguably "anthro" includes Astartes since they're only demi-human

And have non-human parts.

[vast frigate]

Pseudo i get more interested in how your weird brain works every day

[vagrant osprey]

You're welcome!

[vast frigate]

not in a good way

vivisection style

[vagrant osprey]

Look, this one is simple.

"Anthro" means "human-like but not human"

Technically, by the definition of the word, that does include Astartes

And if making jokes about technicalities isn't funny, then you just made a fuckton of comedians sad.

[storm jungle]

Its the artist they can do what they want lol

and shes clearly more interested in drawing the characters more than anything else, and seems to be doing it spectacularly

[vagrant osprey]

That's fair!

[atomic pelican]

Yeah not everything in 40k is complicated mechanics either tbh

Even vehicles like

[atomic pelican]

Tau and eldar vehicles arenr super 'geary' and such

[vagrant osprey]

Tau and Eldar are pretty simple, yeah

But the Imperium can't make anything without throwing five purity seals, two skulls, and an Aquila on it in addition to any other decoration :V

[atomic pelican]

Oh yeah, but I figured they meant like machinery complexities

Ik alot of commission pages that wont do thst

[vagrant osprey]

Ah, I was reading that as just things that are excessively detailed

[vernal zinc]

the khan judges all

[cursive hull]

I feel like that leaves out most of the Imperial roster of vehicles

[vernal zinc]

i gonna be honest about something i dont like about 40k

the vehicle designs

[cursive hull]

I disagree

I prefer square.

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

its stupid

but its an aspect i still like

I think the only vehicle I genuinely want removed from lore is the dumb toy planes the marines have

[cursive hull]

That I object to.

But I do like the square designs.

[storm jungle]

smh you're an ork and the marines open up on you with a GI Joe toy

[vernal zinc]

i just want them to look like real life vehicles

[cursive hull]

...Quite a few of them do

[vernal zinc]

the predator tank isn't even really a tank

[cursive hull]

The Rhino is literally an M113

[vernal zinc]

it's like an ifv

[cursive hull]

The Predator tank is an M113 with a turret.

[vernal zinc]

yeah

[cursive hull]

The Chimera is basically a BMP

[vernal zinc]

thats

fine

i want to create my own tank for space marines

that actually has angles

[storm jungle]

Dewit

[vernal zinc]

it's just gonna be an abrams

[cursive hull]

TBH, Space marine doctrine fits the challenger better.

[potent swift]

That cockpit is almost comically small, that marine just looks crammed in there

[storm jungle]

Yeah the stormtalon is just a bad vehicle for marines

Their entire style is brutalist and chunky too

[potent swift]

I'm fine with marine vehicles being built like bricks but I also would like them to look like a marine can actually fit in them

[cursive hull]

No, but seriously on modern vehicles.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Challenger_2_Main_Battle_Tank_patrolling_outside_Basra%2C_Iraq_MOD_45148325.jpg The Challenger 2 with the Dorchester 2F package fits better than the Abrams.

Its blocky, but retains a sense of identity as an effective vehicle.

[odd sparrow]

all the marine aircraft is like

hilariously bad

[cursive hull]

The Imperium has trouble with aircraft in general.

[odd sparrow]

idk some of the IG stuff looks halfway to being able to fly

,,, some.

[cursive hull]

The Valkyrie is one of the few that passes the aerodynamics check.

[atomic pelican]

They look cool

[odd sparrow]

Tau aircraft remain the most plausible

[atomic pelican]

Tho Eldar/Tau fliers remain besto

[odd sparrow]

yes

[atomic pelican]

big fan of wraithlocks

The manta too of course

Le 2000 point flyer has arrived

[odd sparrow]

oh god that manta image is like

[cursive hull]

In fairness, that's because the T'au are also the closest to our sensibilities for vehicle design.

[odd sparrow]

taking many seconds to upload one sec

this is how big a manta is

chonky boi

CHONK

[atomic pelican]

HE'S BIG HE'S BAD

[cursive hull]

Reminds me of Ace Combat

[atomic pelican]

HE'LL BOMB YOU TOO

THIS MANTA, IS GONNA SHOOT

[odd sparrow]

for most things

[atomic pelican]

Mantas face-detonating titans with bombing runs will forever be good imagery

[odd sparrow]

mood

oh yes u have a giant god machine laden with iconography that has served the imperium for longer than the tau species has known how to make fire

well i have several large bombs

[atomic pelican]

haha mass produces various titan killers

[cursive hull]

Seriously though.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/acecombat/images/6/68/P-1112_Aigaion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130719220505 The Manta is ace combat as hell.

[odd sparrow]

that is similar tbh

[primal tide]

Perturabo simulating the encounter with a toy titan and fulgrims face

[atomic pelican]

tau just need a big sword mecha and they'll be complete in my heart

It's part of the reason I'm being pulled into craftworlds

[cursive hull]

...Don't they have one of those?

[atomic pelican]

For wraithknights

[cursive hull]

The...

[atomic pelican]

Technically there are fusion blades

[cursive hull]

The one group that broke off?

[odd sparrow]

they have farsight but that's it

like, not the farsight faction, just the dude himself

[atomic pelican]

P much anyone can use fusion blades but yeah FSE are known for closer combat

OH YEAH

That's umm

dawnblade?

[odd sparrow]

ye

[atomic pelican]

Which is unique

[cursive hull]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/27/61/d2/2761d22b18308a14c44a16beba83a355.jpg

[atomic pelican]

Yeah that's dawnblade

it's like a alien artifact or something like that

[odd sparrow]

ye that gives him some weird vampiric immortality

we stan the war criminal tau

[primal tide]

Alien swords are to be trusted, always

[cursive hull]

Anyway. So far as I'm aware, the T'au will never allow for melee.

Because melee is silly.

[odd sparrow]

mostly yea

[atomic pelican]

It's sort of against their military doctrine but that can be changed

[cursive hull]

Get your slav- "Client" Species to do it for you.

[storm jungle]

dont let the fascist imperial stans hear you

[odd sparrow]

I do hope that GW expands a lil more on melee in the future

like, obvs it should stay as a ranged focus faction, that's their identity, but maybe just a lil bit of mech melee support

[atomic pelican]

It'd be pretty easy to hand-waive and say "Vior'la academies have been training a new doctrine of crisis suits for using fusion blades due to changing combat situations"

For minor melee

[odd sparrow]

ye p much

[atomic pelican]

Since the ranged focus isn't really working out too well on tabletop for anyone

[odd sparrow]

Can function as a supplement for like, shotgun tau builds and also for annoying objectives

since like

oh yay we have kroot

[atomic pelican]

Shotgun tau BEST tau

[odd sparrow]

,,,,,

[atomic pelican]

That and missile tau

[odd sparrow]

god missile tau

[cursive hull]

I do agree that it doesn't make sense for them to refuse to adopt even a few melee options, when they have big mechs, in a setting where their enemies almost all universally use tons of melee.

[atomic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/launch-missiles-cartoon-gif-9911832

[odd sparrow]

i sometimes like to imagine how that actually looks in universe

it's just

you throw a rock into the air and it hits at least one missile

probs makes them ricochet into eachother and the entire area blows up

[atomic pelican]

We lov da stormsurge

[odd sparrow]

this is as opposed to railgun spam, which is basically just the verdun experience

absolutely

highkey one of my fav tau models still

[atomic pelican]

Railgun looks better on the XV88s

Imo

[storm jungle]

the stormsurge is just a giant metal gear and I love it

[odd sparrow]

it's so unique?? and like, ppl complain about the lack of arms but i like it

[atomic pelican]

I prefer the lack of arms

[primal tide]

Fuck arms, gun is better

[atomic pelican]

more specialized, less gundamy

It's why I don't like the riptide too much?

[odd sparrow]

it shows a nice bit of pragmatism that it's like, ok it's a long range heavy missile piece, it doesn't need arms

[storm jungle]

Yeah and realistically speaking why would it need arms

[odd sparrow]

it fits with the blueberries military vibe nicely

[storm jungle]

it has stabilizers and its suppose to be a giant gun platform

[atomic pelican]

I like eldar wraithknights for being gundammy but I like tau mechs for other reasons

[odd sparrow]

some stuff does def lean a lil much into just like, yeah outright gundams

[cursive hull]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/75/cd/85/75cd8510ea52830c38015bc0a6d97118.jpg TBH, the T'au are the one sci-fi group that uses Japanese Mecha style mechs that I like.

[storm jungle]

yeee eldar are a lot more gundam

[cursive hull]

Like, they aren't that absurd.

[odd sparrow]

which doesn't work quite so well imo. elves can be extra, imperium can be extra, but the tau shouldn't be extra

yeah most of them have like

more titanfall vibes than gundam vibes

[cursive hull]

Still prefer the Imperial mechs myself.

[odd sparrow]

knights are ❤️

[strange depot]

The T'au are Space Far East

[odd sparrow]

they have crab energy

it's the giant carapace

[storm jungle]

https://i.redd.it/nogrdosm0te41.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/20/72/48207292ba19330bdc63f58e03b53af6.gif

[atomic pelican]

Oh I love that art

[storm jungle]

Saaame

[cursive hull]

I hate Eldar mechs. I get how they function, its just the small, lithe look doesn't feel right for mechs.

[storm jungle]

Too bad

[cursive hull]

Then again

[primal tide]

That's the point innit

[strange depot]

I love how people cried about the T'au being changed to be ambiguous because 40K has no good guys and they were good guys in the beginning

[atomic pelican]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/20/d1/b920d17b20642fed23ece41c63b7277f.png

[storm jungle]

[cursive hull]

I also hate the worst of Japanese Mecha.

[storm jungle]

aaaa the banshee knight

[cursive hull]

Read: Pencil necks

[storm jungle]

so cool

[storm jungle]

Nobody hates 40k more than 40k fans

so yeah

can confirm lul

[atomic pelican]

o my

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cd/93/49/cd93491e999444c589612442ed54af76.png

[primal tide]

I see you stealing my phrase

[odd sparrow]

sir

[atomic pelican]

I could vibe with drukhari wraith knights

[odd sparrow]

sir ur loincloth is on fire

[strange depot]

sure but the first Tau codex was pretty clear on them probably enslaving at least one race

[odd sparrow]

sIR

[strange depot]

and their insane caste structure

[odd sparrow]

ye vespids are implied to be in the empire less than consensually

[atomic pelican]

they're ugly

[odd sparrow]

but hey that's what u get for being a bug

[atomic pelican]

ugly bugs.

Literally the worst auxillary

even worse than the ones who have like, 1 sentence of lore

[odd sparrow]

aren't they still resin

[atomic pelican]

I think so

[odd sparrow]

deserved

[atomic pelican]

exactly

[storm jungle]

they havent been touched since release

[strange depot]

no one likes them

[storm jungle]

only one anyone likes

is

Zhe Kroot

[atomic pelican]

I like human auxillaries

[odd sparrow]

they need to rework auxiliaries

[atomic pelican]

It's nice to have a non-imperial human 'faction'

[odd sparrow]

they really really need to

like

[strange depot]

Human?! HERESY

[vernal zinc]

I need to create some custom gear for my home drew space marine chapter

[cursive hull]

I feel bad for Gue'vesa

[strange depot]

Xenophilic Heretic Scum!

[odd sparrow]

most of the tau range is honestly pretty good and holds up, but the auxiliaries are just this neglected underfed pet chained to a post in the corner

[atomic pelican]

please calm down

"XD HERETIC" has been done enough

And yeah

[cursive hull]

Gue'vesa just scream of "You're the durable one, go die over there."

[odd sparrow]

they get prettier blue lights on their guns

a victory

[atomic pelican]

And better lives lul

[cursive hull]

Only marginally.

[atomic pelican]

Not really

[odd sparrow]

tbh that all depends on author

[atomic pelican]

That's true

[odd sparrow]

a lot of stuff frames humans as being like, v much equal

or like

[atomic pelican]

Tho gue'vesa are so rare in fluff

that there's only like 3 things of it

[odd sparrow]

as equal as u can be with the ethereals lording over everyone

[atomic pelican]

and 2/3rds are good omegalul

Then there's the 4th sphere

Which was tau grimderp

[strange depot]

the tau are still a racial supremacist group, they are bound to purge the other races once they win

[odd sparrow]

yep

silence

[cursive hull]

All of the sources I know insisted that the Gue'vesa were like... Third class citizens.

[atomic pelican]

just ignore ratty

er

just ignore, ratty*

not worth

[odd sparrow]

there's probs contradicting vibes on it

esp on stuff with like

[strange depot]

the first run Gue'vesa, the ones that knew life in the imperium

[odd sparrow]

very little fluff on it

[tiny nova]

The farsight novels aren't written to the same standard as some of the other novels, doesn't make them bad, but there is definitely some "quality writing" same with Ciaphas Cain novels, fun stories but they reuse sentences alot

[strange depot]

the ones that are born in the septs are different

they can programme them and let them get a bit higher to show the others it can happen

[odd sparrow]

anyone who claims to be all i know exactly how this 40k fluff thing works and here how it is- is bsing

make ur own hc

[storm jungle]

@atomic pelican

[odd sparrow]

Yeah def, i enjoyed the farsight stuff but it's got some awkward bits

[storm jungle]

the title is "A tough pill for Tau haters to swallow"

[strange depot]

@tiny novait's being written by Ciaphas a man who is not a wordsmith and partly just stream of conciousness

[vernal zinc]

I must kill all tau

[tiny nova]

Yeah and I could write a book as a kindergartner, and it could be accurate but that doesn't make it a novel that flows

[cursive hull]

I still say being a Gue'vesa in the T'au army is bad news for you.

The T'au employ their auxiliaries to do what they themselves are bad at so they don't have to do it.

So you're much more likely to be the one on point or doing whatever a T'au would be shit at, so mostly CQC and CQB

[strange depot]

that's not the same thing

[atomic pelican]

*An Imperial transport is crowded, dirty. Usually stinks. They’re always hot. It’s like they weren’t built for people at all. A Devilfish is not like that. You’ll never know unless you ride in a Chimera. I hope you don’t, for your own sake, because you’ll be going nowhere good. The Imperium treats aliens a lot worse than you do.

On the face of it, the Tau’va, for me… It looked good. It is good. Not just in the civilian side, but in the military. Gone was my temperamental hand-me down lasgun. We had pulse carbines. Weapons worth a damn, and armour! Plating that actually, might just conceivably stop a shot. And the comms, vox equipment to make a Space Marine envious, for me! Those toys were mighty tempting to a lot of us; some of my squad had come over precisely because they were hungry for tau tech. Or because they were afraid of it.*

[strange depot]

it's pretty important to maintain a consistent voice

if you don't it's way more an issue

[storm jungle]

Again

its a lot better than being turned into a lobotimized cyborg slave

[odd sparrow]

tbh again, not terribly much to support it and also up to the author

[storm jungle]

not that im saying its good, but its an alternative

[odd sparrow]

most of the like, bad tau stuff is on more of a macro scale

the ethereals being massive dickheads, the brainwashing etc

[strange depot]

They sure are

it's a pyramid scheme

[vernal zinc]

Tau are cringe

[tiny nova]

Tau in general is a fraction of the size of the imperium

[odd sparrow]

all the obviously soviet inspired we must protect the state by limiting information :D

[cursive hull]

Considering you're liable to be used as frontline troops fighting against the very Imperium you left/weren't born into/whatever.

You're probably going to suffer an even worse fate than if you had been born in the Imperium to begin with.

[vernal zinc]

They most be purged painfully

[odd sparrow]

tbh the best element of the tau is 100% that they're solarpunk af

that's reason enough to stan them

[atomic pelican]

damn bro

wild that the gue'vesa in broken sword talks about having a better life then

[strange depot]

very small doorways though

[atomic pelican]

despite having defected

[odd sparrow]

tau fanbase throwing hands

[atomic pelican]

anti-tau circlejerk will just make stuff up

Im starting to feel for the tau again I must stop

[odd sparrow]

Yeah usually the tau empire is like, actually written as being v sympathetic for the ppl it conquers

u know stuff like

[primal tide]

Something something they sterilize guevesa amirite

[atomic pelican]

xd

[cursive hull]

I mean, I don't mean to defend the Imperium. It sucks, hard.

That's the purpose of the Imperium.

But I also dislike characterizing any faction as "better" when its usually more marginal.

[vernal zinc]

I just don’t like tau because they aren’t interesting

[cursive hull]

Reject that premise.

[atomic pelican]

It's pretty easy to measure 'evil' in 40k

[strange depot]

but they are still conquerors

[odd sparrow]

we were taught the tau wanted to do awful things by the imperium but it turns out that was all bullshit lol they're just giving us free medicine

[atomic pelican]

As much as people balk about it, there are greater evils/goods(lmao)

[strange depot]

you don't have a choice to enter the Empire

[cursive hull]

You do until you don't.

[odd sparrow]

ppl focus waaaay too much on the like, tau good imperium bad thing that nobody except imp stans care about

[cursive hull]

And anyway, recent lore makes it very much a choice.

[storm jungle]

Yeah i dont get this thing of people insisting stuff like orks not being evil

[odd sparrow]

it's silly

[storm jungle]

or that everyone is on the same bad scale

they're really not lmao

[odd sparrow]

Yeah orks are usually written as being v malicious

that said, the memey orks are very fun to write

so

[atomic pelican]

It's because ork portrayal is wildly conflicting between like, games and books and etc

[odd sparrow]

ye true

[storm jungle]

Chaos is the main bad guy for example, literally decepticons but with demons

[cursive hull]

Like... Most Imperial Worlds end up in the T'au Empire just because the T'au started trading with them and the Imperial citizens, being deprived of cool shit, enjoyed cool shit enough to defect.

[atomic pelican]

Memey orkz and the green terror

[strange depot]

To grade evils will lead to one joining a lesser evil to battle a greater evil

[primal tide]

Yeah orks are horrifying but le meme race

[strange depot]

SUCH IS HERESY!

[atomic pelican]

literally quoting a zealot

big brain

[strange depot]

I would say it in the Saltzpyre voice too

[storm jungle]

Thought for the day: Only the faithless question.

[atomic pelican]

Hello everybody saltiplier here

[strange depot]

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt

[storm jungle]

Dont ask questions. Just consume corpse starch.

[vernal zinc]

My favorite tau art is when they’re getting brutalized by space marines in melee

[odd sparrow]

the process is usually a slow normalisation vibe yea. starts off at the top with hello imperial governer look at this shiny thing if u want more shiny things let us in and dont shoot us next time

[strange depot]

that seems to be the only art

[atomic pelican]

It really isn't

people just circlejerk on that art

[odd sparrow]

tau tech slowly gets more integrated into society, spreads down from the top to the bottom

[vernal zinc]

Only good tau art

[odd sparrow]

skip a few steps and then u have usually-peaceful annexation

[strange depot]

pew-pew

[storm jungle]

Yeah we get it

[cursive hull]

The T'au actually kinda stand on their own when not drowned in numbers.

[storm jungle]

your opinions are shit

[odd sparrow]

and man the tau hateboner art showing them being brutally murdered is like

ngl

kinda disturbing lol

[storm jungle]

ikr

like its all plastic men shooting at each other

relax a bit

[atomic pelican]

Gamers™️

[odd sparrow]

ppl getting actual gratification from it is >.>

[cursive hull]

Unsurprisingly, the T'au combat doctrine actually works because, you know, its the closest thing to our own.

[strange depot]

you say that like MOBAs don't exist

[vernal zinc]

Tau was ruined for me with all the tau waiting art

[primal tide]

Tau hater getting commissioned to make art for them
finally my plans have come to fruition

[strange depot]

where people get mad about the voice actors who deliver the lines and send them death threats

[odd sparrow]

what's a moba again

[grand minnow]

Hell

[odd sparrow]

just imagining like

[cursive hull]

I forgot how I describe it

[odd sparrow]

a bunch of blueberries waiting for the train rn or smthn

[strange depot]

shit

[cursive hull]

But League of Legends is a Moba.

[strange depot]

the worst

[cursive hull]

Dota 2

ertc.

[odd sparrow]

tbh it's always equal parts depressing and hilarious how common this is

[strange depot]

getting less funny

[odd sparrow]

like, esp common with actors who portray unlikeable characters in fiction

[vernal zinc]

I don’t like krieg I find them overrated

[odd sparrow]

sir u are aware that the actor for that person isn't actually a sadistic brat irl

[cursive hull]

Anyway, I just want to vibe with my "I get to shoot like T'au and not suck in melee" faction.

[grand minnow]

Leauge pissed me the fuck off, 30 minutes in a game we basicaly lost for like 3 extra coins

[strange depot]

especially after that one weirdo basically started using a real woman for the art in LoL

[vernal zinc]

I don’t get why people like them so much

[odd sparrow]

pls stop threatening their life

[strange depot]

that's fucked up

basically cyberstalking her life and taking the pictures to make equivalents

[cursive hull]

Because when Krieg isn't being fucked about with, Krieg is pretty alright.

[vernal zinc]

Why do people make threats to voice actors?

[storm jungle]

Yeah krieg is good

its the memes that are just pain

[cursive hull]

Its overrated to exaggerate them or turn them into Wehraboo fap material.

[strange depot]

they are creepy weirdos who invest their whole lives in a kids game

[odd sparrow]

krieg are wehraboo fap material

[shell pebble]

Everyone talks about Krieg but no one talks of the Mordian Chem Dogs

[odd sparrow]

objectively

[storm jungle]

LEL

[strange depot]

I blame esports too

[cursive hull]

They're French though

[vernal zinc]

The funny thing is kriegers aren’t even ww2 Germans

[odd sparrow]

i will

[vernal zinc]

They are like a mix of ww1 shit

[odd sparrow]

kill the next person who talks about them being french

[grand minnow]

One thing also i hated about league is the fact the human characters always got way more skins while cool characters like tahm had only 2

[atomic pelican]

le baguette has arrived

[strange depot]

well they also sold better, gotta get them waifu skins

[grand minnow]

No, fuck thoes guys, i want cool skins not waifu bait

[odd sparrow]

there's a rat champion that i understand gets zero attention and is ancient

[atomic pelican]

It's a crime that that emote is "french bread" and not baguette

[odd sparrow]

when they rework that i may give it attention

until then

[strange depot]

you are not the big market unfortunately

[grand minnow]

Twitch, he was great

[cursive hull]

Like

[storm jungle]

🥖

wait

the emoji tab says

[cursive hull]

Paint the Krieg uniform blue

[odd sparrow]

,,, french bread

[storm jungle]

its "baguette"

[strange depot]

🐸

[odd sparrow]

lord help me

[storm jungle]

and also "french beard"

[cursive hull]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Poilusrepos.jpg

[storm jungle]

WHAT THE HELL

[cursive hull]

https://i.redd.it/ma4ygjl3yr131.jpg

[odd sparrow]

huh

guess it's both

[primal tide]

Wat

[grand minnow]

I loved the lore and characters of league but i fucking hate even being near the game and the players

[storm jungle]

see

[odd sparrow]

ye cus it's full of sweaty nerds

[storm jungle]

SEE

WITCHCRAFT

[primal tide]

Science has gone too far

[storm jungle]

Focus on the hot characters

[cursive hull]

I'm just saying, French Krieg is the superior option to Imperial German Krieg.

[storm jungle]

ignore everything else

[vernal zinc]

I have home brew imperial guard I must flesh out

[cursive hull]

Like poppy?

[storm jungle]

googles

AAAAA

[cursive hull]

I will fist fight anyone who say's poppy can't be hot in a muscular way.

[grand minnow]

Huzzah a man of culture

[cursive hull]

She's stacked.

[storm jungle]

SHES A TINY GNOME

[strange depot]

I played league right up to where I reached the level where I had to deal with the psychos and then I was out

[vernal zinc]

confused

[grand minnow]

Personaly like trish better

[cursive hull]

She's got tons of muscle under that armor man

Anyway

At least she isn't Eve (Who I also played even while being a Poppy main back in the day.)

[storm jungle]

[cursive hull]

Ironically, not typically into big muscles

[grand minnow]

I hated how shaco and vayne have full invisibility while twitch is stuck in camoflage

[vast frigate]

listen Yordles are spooky magical creatures who can take any shape they want

For all we know tristana is a squid and poppy is a goddamn gorilla

[grand minnow]

🤔

[odd sparrow]

which one is the southern yordle

he's the only valid one

[vast frigate]

you mean my boi kled?

[grand minnow]

Kled

[odd sparrow]

yes.

[grand minnow]

Kled got me back in untill i remembered i hated league

[cursive hull]

You mean...

[vast frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZPJUhUJvI

[cursive hull]

Loud inhale

The Cantankerous Cavalier
The Great Hussar
The High General Marshal Sergeant
The Mountain Admiral
Lord Colonel Major Centurion
Rear Forward Brigadier Admiral
Forward Admiral Major
Sir Admiral Major
Lieutenant Sergeant Commodore
Sergeant General Colonel
Sergeant Double Admiral
High Major Commodore of the First Legion Third Multiplication Double Admiral Artillery Vanguard Company
Lord Major Admiral of the Second Legion's Forward Artillery-Cavalry Multiplication

Kled?

[vast frigate]

he got a metal riff on this skin

All you need to know

[storm jungle]

Oh god not this ship shit again