Yeah Gav has no idea how canon works if that's what he believes
#40k-lore-chat
crisp heath
40k is still built upon a specific set of world building rules, a setting history, and world defining events
Along with characters who exist regardless of one's perspective
The idea that canon is 'fallacy' is completely asinine
But this is also Gav Thorpe we're talking about. Guy's a hack 80% of the time
Events like the Third War for Armageddon and the heroes who fought there don't stop existing just because someone feels like they didn't happen
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Which writer is the one who gives everyone multilasers?
crisp heath
Which writer is the one who gives everyone multilasers?
CS Goto
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Ugh.
crisp heath
The fact Gav was probably the guy who got him fired is hilariously hypocritical based on Gav's comments on canon
Because Goto messed with Eldar canon
Which is why Gav got him fired, since Gav's favorite are the Eldar
TL;DR - Goto wrote a book called Eldar Prophecy where the Seer Council of Ulthwe, Gav's pet favorite Eldar faction, were a bunch of Slaanesh worshipers who sacrifice Eldar children to her
Gav was furious
But hey "lol canon is fallacy"
Gav was fired like Matt ward went on sabbatical
No Goto was fired
Gav's always been part of GW
Goto doesn't write for GW anymore and his books were decanonized
damn shidddd
Because he fucked up that hard
cerulean wagon
wew
cerulean wagon
imagine getting someone fired for being a bad author
then getting ur trilogy cancelled cause u fuck up the eldar lore so bad
crisp heath
TL;DR - Goto wrote a book called Eldar Prophecy where the Seer Council of Ulthwe...
@crisp heaththis
damn
reading his 1d4chan article
hold shid
potent swift
I never read any of Gav's eldar books, how exactly did he mess them up?
cerulean wagon
each trilogy he writes kills off at least 1 craftworld
crisp heath
then getting ur trilogy cancelled cause u fuck up the eldar lore so bad
Generally speaking people who write for Black Library are a bunch of failed authors who couldn't get published writing real novels. There's a select few who work outside of it, like Dan Abnett
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Dan Abnett, mighty is he.
crisp heath
So everyone likes to act as if 40k has no canon, because they can't admit to themselves they'll never make a world of their own
GW's central leadership beg to differ though
And are pretty rough with pulling the leash when authors go too far
cerulean wagon
I never read any of Gav's eldar books, how exactly did he mess them up?
The first trilogy (the path books) featured a shit love story that went nowhere, then the eldar losing a craftworld almost to space marines
his newest trilogy included eldrad dying and the loss of the entirety of biel-tan
eldrad dying has since been retconned
crisp heath
Yall think Matt Ward reads this chat?
cerulean wagon
maybe
crisp heath
Yall think Matt Ward reads this chat?
He wrote the story for Vermintide so probably
cerulean wagon
ngl matts actually pretty great at character stuff
for all the shit he gets, his work on VT is phenominal
crisp heath
Yeah, I dont actually dislike him
Matt Ward is memed hard but he's not a bad writer
He's just infamous for two fuck ups
I've definitely come around on him
cursive hull
Wait
crisp heath
Yall think Matt Ward is Hedge
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Matt had a hand in VT?
crisp heath
?
One of those fuck ups, the Sisters getting sacrificed by Grey Knights story, was retconned hard
Yeah he was the creative consultant and apparently a writer too on the vermintide games
And he fuckin' nailed it
potent swift
In spite of what some people think, I actually liked what he did with the Necrons
crisp heath
Same
crisp heath
In spite of what some people think, I actually liked what he did with the Necron...
Necrons sucked before Ward changed them
t. guy who was there in 3rd when they debuted
cerulean wagon
Matt had a hand in VT?
Matt has been assigned to FS as their resident warhammer official. He mostly assists with character dialogue iirc
cerulean wagon
Fun fact
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Turns around my perception of him from "Guy who got memed but is alright." to "Guy who assists in some of the best dialogue in gaming."
cerulean wagon
in the community VT streams siennas VA was on
And she mentioned how a lot of the lines matt comes up with sound really good for the characters and very natural
crisp heath
nice
cursive hull
TBH, Matt's been in the business a while by now. Its sort of expected he'd be half decent at it.
But if he's even partially responsible for the VT banter, it shows a level of skill hard to come by.
crisp heath
My least part of the 40k fandom is the recycled, stale memes
cerulean wagon
Ye matts been assisting FS since VT1
crisp heath
Abaddon being a failure, Matt Ward, "Ultrasmurfs," etc
i cant stand the complaining
and hate
for the thing they "like"
it just never stops
"Haha it was cool in the book when x happened!"
"X IS STUPID AND I HATE IT"
faafffggghh
potent swift
I think a lot of people have that phase and (hopefully) most of them grow out of it
atomic pelican
Most people critique the media they like to some degree
It's digesting critically
crisp heath
These days I have more issues with people believing you're an 'elitist' for knowing the lore and trying to help people understand it
I think it's people who got into tabletop gaming with Critical Role who think 40k is like D&D where you can throw away the setting entirely because D&D's game rules and lore are completely divorced
"critique"
riiiiiiiiiiiiight
cerulean wagon
critical role is a curse
cerulean wagon
critiqueing media is fine
crisp heath
You mean 'project shit onto it and get offended'
cerulean wagon
if you dont say theres an issue how can they ever improve it
atomic pelican
That and the setting is so large its easy to like parts and dislike others
cerulean wagon
getting offended for no reason tho is a weird one, but when its genuinly poor writing no one is gonna know its bad if nothing is said
but ye pulling it back a sec
atomic pelican
Weird nerds get in a huff if you say the slightest bad abt the setting
crisp heath
Like people saying 40k is sexist because the Imperium has two all male and two all female factions in power armor. The all female ones are apparently fine for existing but the all male one aren't.
And have to 'change'
cerulean wagon
I think it's people who got into tabletop gaming with Critical Role who think 40...
i feel this on a lot of levels as both a warhammer person and a game master for RPGs
crisp heath
Note this is ignoring that Guard are mostly co-ed (now represented on tabletop)
cerulean wagon
Because critical role is fun but its bred a weird elitism for rpgs
grand minnow
Like people saying 40k is sexist because the Imperium has two all male and two a...
i mean they probably dont play or care about warhammer so who cares?
crisp heath
Because critical role is fun but its bred a weird elitism for rpgs
From people who didn't even give RPGs and tabletop gaming the time of day before CR existed
Which is the ultimate irony
primal tide
Gatekeeping
cerulean wagon
and then they wont play anything that isnt 5e and expect you to homebrew the exact experience they want
i help run an RPG server, like 50 people atm
crisp heath
*i mean they probably dont play or care about warhammer so who cares?*
The problem is they don't care, probably don't play or partake in the lore, but demand it change anyway.
cerulean wagon
but we get a lot of people join and then leave cause they realise its not 5e thats being ran
crisp heath
When you try to say why there's actually no issue, they scream at you
It's like trying to hold an intellectual debate with a rabid badger
TL;DR - Sisters of Battle are awesome why the fuck you ignoring them?
Sisters of Silence too
GW give them more units and an HQ or two for 9th edition Talons codex
DEW IT
crisp heath
World of Darkness is still worse
primal tide
5e is fine for a simple narrative story, I like it but I also love pathfinder for the crunch
crisp heath
God what happened to World of Darkness
cursive hull
I'm in two 5e play by post games ltierally in this moment.
Its what I learned to play, so I play it.
primal tide
Infighting, it's what nerds do best
cursive hull
I mean
grand minnow
Hey 5th is good for making your own stuff
crisp heath
The 'no evil races' thing is a clown shoes decision though
cursive hull
Its simple. It keeps the crunch to a minimum.
I'm brain dead with numbers, so it helps.
Then again, I'm also signed up for a Dark Heresy game.
cursive hull
The 'no evil races' thing is a clown shoes decision though
But... There are?
grand minnow
I mean dms do as they please, ita ultimately up to dms for roleplayimg
crisp heath
Its simple. It keeps the crunch to a minimum.
I'm brain dead with numbers, so i...
Oh man that's a mood with the numbers thing
Hello dyscalculia, dyslexia's cousin no one remembers
cursive hull
Yeah...
I don't think I have dyscalculia but my early school experience was hot garbage
So my foundation for math is useless.
crisp heath
Me in high school: "I'll take an elective music course. Always wanted to play guitar."
Brain: "These are technically numbers..."
Me: "FUCK!!!
tfw u dont have any excuse to be as stupid as you are at math
cerulean wagon
Its what I learned to play, so I play it.
nothing wrong with 5e inherently its just lead to a weird community stagnation. I have met a lot of players who straight refuse to learn new systems at all, even if they are simple af
crisp heath
I don't think I have dyscalculia but my early school experience was hot garbage
I had to take SPED math just to get through high school
cursive hull
nothing wrong with 5e inherently its just lead to a weird community stagnation. ...
See, that I agree with.
5E is useful and fun to play, but its not the only system.
atomic pelican
Yeah 5e is fine its just kinda memed as babbys first ttrpg
cerulean wagon
"why would i run DH when i can homebrew 5e warhammer" kinda issue
crisp heath
I was probably one of the smartest kids in school except for math because it was like backwards upside down Japanese
cursive hull
I had to take SPED math just to get through high school
Fuck I know that feel. I barely passed my math classes, bare minimum.
Only reason I graduated when I did* is I aced practically everything else.
cerulean wagon
gonna run Wraith n glory soon
sitll think i prefer DH but i can see the potential
crisp heath
what's your party gonna run as?
cursive hull
Hope I don't fuck up my first DH game
cerulean wagon
DW fucking up is part of DH
crisp heath
I remember reading the wrath and glory book as soon as it came out and i was like uhhhhh we got an eldar..... and a uhh and ork and a tech priest
and theyre..... friends....
cerulean wagon
our mutant in my old Rogue trader campaign had to punch a plague marine
crisp heath
I loved the FF games
cerulean wagon
and theyre..... friends....
they arent friends, just all playable
atomic pelican
They can be friends <3
cerulean wagon
also the original release was garbage, but c7 has rerelease and revised the rules
crisp heath
yeah i heard that
cerulean wagon
its looking a little better now, especially with forgotten systems
crisp heath
havent looked at it though
atomic pelican
C7 makes good TT games
cursive hull
Gonna be a tech priest in my first DH game too. Standard Enginseer style play.
Quick question. Can you use melee in one hand, pistol in the other?
cerulean wagon
party is currently
A kroot merc, a scout marine, a skitarri ranger, a pyromancer psyker, a priest and a last undecided
crisp heath
sounds crazy but fun
grand minnow
5e kinda had me learn to understand other systems like deadlands
cerulean wagon
Gonna be a tech priest in my first DH game too. Standard Enginseer style play.
...
Yes you can but you take negitives, and more if you use both at the same time. Take ambidextrous to remove the off hand penalty, then you need two weapons fighting and side arm to remove all negitives
cerulean wagon
if you do that tho it means you can fire the gun (on any fire mode) and take a melee attack as the same half action
cursive hull
Awesome.
cerulean wagon
Its very high XP cost but very swag
cheaper if you go full melee/ranged but i prefer the aesthetic
cursive hull
I mean, yeah, you go half and half for the aesthetic.
grand minnow
whats dh? Sorry to bother
cerulean wagon
No problem broken
cursive hull
Dark Heresy.
crisp heath
i like dat one!
cerulean wagon
its a d100 system, relatively simple to learn but it looks intimidating because it has like 20 years worth of content supporting it
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Anyway, I needed 1d4chan for its tips on Dark Heresy.
Turns out, its what I figured.
Use lots of cover, throw lots of grenades, and don't go melee with everything.
atomic pelican
The PF conundrum then
cursive hull
Well, yeah.
cerulean wagon
But if you can close the distance on a guy with a gun
he cant fire the gun anymore unless its a pistol
cursive hull
I'm just sad I won't get an actual melee weapon worth a damn until later.
cerulean wagon
Trust me its worth the wait
starting weak makes finding stuff all the better
and some of the stuff u can find in DH
cursive hull
I'll be happy to have a chainsword or something.
A Combat knife or staff ain't it for me chief.
I'll use them till I get something better.
cerulean wagon
standard staff or stun staff?
cerulean wagon
fair
but yeah thats the pain of not starting as a warrior
gotta earn your keep with none combat stuff
Like in the lancer campaign im in where i'm team dad
I spent last session taken hostage so my party could deal with a problem while i annoyed people
cursive hull
Fair.
Given the setting for the campaign is a starship, I figure a hacking/tech savy Tech Priest is a good thing to bring along.
The other characters are gonna be a more offensive focused Tech Priest, I forget what they're called. (Not a Skitarii but like... I dunno.) a Sister of battle, and a Sanctioned Psyker.
potent swift
Myrmidon?
crisp heath
Oh man this video's a mood
potent swift
No wait, war tech priest are Secutors.
cursive hull
Secutor sounds right.
grand minnow
Man im looking at this, every guide is like 9 years old
cursive hull
I suppose... If push comes to shove. At least I can default to suppressing enemy targets for my buddies in DH.
Still have no idea what I'll be starting with weapons wise exactly.
But I'm aware of how tactical movement and shooting works, so I guess I should be fine. (Thanks, history/video games/logic/watching hour long documentaries for fun.)
cerulean wagon
As a tech priest you can take a handcannon or an autogun
cursive hull
Guess I'm taking the Autogun, which makes me sad. I won't be as sad if its an auto pistol, but an autogun would be fine ultimately.
Glad I can RP it as any pattern I like
Because I want that sexy Agripinaa pattern
Chonky FN Fal lookin boi.
cerulean wagon
If you talk to your GM
think theres pattern rules
idk if hes integrating the other books tho
cerulean wagon
Na i mean as in
standard there arent rules for it
but one of the Only war rulebooks lets u make custom patterns of weapons
grand minnow
How complicated is dark heracy? Like vs 5e dnd
cerulean wagon
A fair bit but id honestly say if you are interested in the setting and can find a GM its not that hard?
Like i'd only been doing dnd for about a year when i had my first 40k campaign, and then a year later i GM'd my first campaign
cursive hull
Fuck, now I want to play my modded Xcom 2 again
All my dudes dressed up as Imperial Guard with a Commissar leading them.
Lasguns and autoguns too
TBH, I'd love a good Imperial Guard/Imperium in general (And Ad mech too) Xcom clone.
Kinda like Mechanicus but more like Xcom, lol.
crisp heath
Kinda like Mechanicus but more like Xcom, lol.
You can have it after GW cajoles DICE into making Battlefield: The Sabbat Worlds Crusade
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lol
crisp heath
It's funny to me since DICE's completely clown shoes way of depicting World War 2 in Battlefield V would have worked in an Imperial Guard focused FPS
Granted BFV also had a ton of mechanical and gameplay issues as well, but when you're depicting historical warfare the presentation and accuracy is equally as important
This is why Enlisted is superior
tall steppe
Planetside 2 seems more like an Imperial Guardsman simulator than BFV.
barren tapir
Strength in unity, loyalty until death!!
But NC weapons are better for me
Also regarding patterns, it isn't that hard imo to make one using OW books, but iirc there is a bit of discrepancy between OW autoguns and DH ones... Some stat is different iirc
wide vessel
Been listening to the infinite and the divine, Trazen is such a fantastic character. The most human necron.
placid timber
Been listening to the infinite and the divine, Trazen is such a fantastic charac...
Nah that title goes to nemisor zanndrek
shut wind
He regularly brings up how he believes jurgen doesnt get enough credit i believe
crisp heath
Yeah but that doesnt mean theyre friends
shut wind
True
crisp heath
and he's also a blank which should make "friendship" or even "likability" pretty hard
i just hope they frienz
storm jungle
Its hard not to imagine them as friends
if they were not im pretty sure Cain would have gotten rid of him/treated him like trash 24/7
Most he does is complain that he smells lol
cursive hull
He does respect him as a soldier and value him as a survival tool.
(And his propensity not to ask questions.)
barren tapir
By being a blank you survive learning to not ask question that would attract unwanted attention to you
cursive hull
True
I'm not sure its ever stated if Jurgen is aware of what he is.
Its been ages since I read the books though.
gusty fulcrum
No he isnt
AMberley vale figured it out when her psychic wigged out around him
And its implied his ambient stink might actaully be a sublte tsign of his blank aura
on top of the fact he actaully does stink his aura just makes it extra worse
But he might not be weak but not expecially powerfull since his blankness doesnt draw an outright hatred in people more a sublte unfomertability
CUz i guess strogner blanks will have poeple just eitehr be angry and frightned or outright hostile to a stonger blank like the ones you find in the assasinarium
storm jungle
Im pretty sure the only blanks that are good to each other are the SoS
being a sisterhood and everything
barren tapir
Blanks don't affect other blanks
storm jungle
otherwise you're gonna get spanked
gusty fulcrum
And blanks come in degrees like psychers
barren tapir
In fact, for all we know there could be a civilization of only blanks that can be chilling on a remote planet
gusty fulcrum
I beleive SOS are suppose to be up there lveles but they never say the spcific degree
storm jungle
In fact, for all we know there could be a civilization of only blanks that can b...
Yeah its the same as how I dont trust 40k's psyker tablet
its really inconsequential and the plot decides how strong a psyker is
gusty fulcrum
Well its more usefull for probabaly roleplay and such
to give you an idea for story reason oh liek apsyker this powerf ull would probably be this rank etc
barren tapir
I still think that the parts that say that blanks come in varying degree is dumb and should be removed officially...
Blanks don't have any connection to the warp, they instead repel it, how the hell you can have varying degree of not having a connection??
And if they have a weak connection then they aren't blanks, they are normal humans, as every human as a connection to the warp and only the strongest may become a psyker
gusty fulcrum
I still think that the parts that say that blanks come in varying degree is dumb...
Its the degree to which you cause a blanking effect
barren tapir
Still dumb
storm jungle
I still think that the parts that say that blanks come in varying degree is dumb...
Blanks dont have an official chart do they?
Its just the book/fluff they're in going "Wow they're really strong"?
gusty fulcrum
Its basicly the negative side of teh psyker chart
barren tapir
Blanks dont have an official chart do they?
No, i have seen only one thing that put them at the bottom of the psyker scale
gusty fulcrum
Why do you think taus are considered blank but can be still eb effected by teh warp?
THeyre not powerfull blanks
cursive hull
I mean.
gusty fulcrum
Theyres even a threory out there they may have something to do with necrons actually
primal tide
Tau aren't blanks tho? 
barren tapir
But again, that scale it to measure the power of the connection to the warp, it cannot measure the absence of connection
cursive hull
Isn't the explanation of a Blank that they have no souls?
barren tapir
Tau aren't blanks
gusty fulcrum
Tau aren't blanks tho? <:Wut:736952541471965234>
Ya they actully have a minor balnking effect
primal tide
No they don't
barren tapir
No they don't
cursive hull
No? All the lore I've ever heard is that T'au have weak souls, not a lack of them.
primal tide
They just have a small presence
barren tapir
The only tau that seems to have a mitigating effect of warp influence are the ethereal, but they too aren't blanks
gusty fulcrum
AS i was tryign to say Im not saying they are true blanks Its like if anythign ahuman wyrd
barren tapir
Tau are stale crakers to the demons, while humans are juicy chocolate
cursive hull
And even so, the T'au seem to fluctuate on that even still. Some of them have stronger souls than have been noted before.
But not anywhere on the human level.
storm jungle
Yeah its like a human having the option between eating the grass on the ground or actual food
You can digest grass sure but its not that tasty
Tau are basically that
barren tapir
AS i was tryign to say Im not saying they are true blanks Its like if anythign a...
Then they aren't blanks, they are weak souls
cursive hull
(It'll fuck your teeth right up too.)
gusty fulcrum
I was trying to get at that theyre sorta almost like teh blank equivilant of a Wyrd
Wyrds arnt considered psychics eitehr
but they have like one minor psychicish ability
barren tapir
Wyrd is a synonim with psyker, just weak psyker
gusty fulcrum
Wyrds a wierd temr in 40k
barren tapir
Wyrdvane spyker are psykers that are weak and need to do things as a group
gusty fulcrum
Cuz it can mean weak psycher or someone who just displays very minor powers but still isnt strong enough to even be considered a weak psycher cuz its all unconcious
Like seeming to have extra luck
Demon wont pay attention to them really but ENslavers can still notice them i guess
barren tapir
It doesn't matter if it is unconscious or conscious, if it can use warp powers it is a psyker
primal tide
Don't you say another wyrd dilara
storm jungle
cursive hull
barren tapir
This is getting rapidly out of hand
storm jungle
But yeah jokes aside 40k's thing with psykers is confusing unless you read up on it
which kinda helps
cursive hull
I can understand psykers being different levels of strong. Blanks though, that doesn't make sense to me.
You can't have an especially powerful not-soul.
gusty fulcrum
I do and alotta the stuff bout the wierdness of what a wyrd is tends to get more mentioned in teh novels ill admit Cuz im not talking BOut Wyrdvane Psykers btw
barren tapir
Not really complicated, psyker is anyone that can manifest warp power, it isn't uncommon for weak psyker to go unnoticed until some trauma let them unlock their potential
See? Carroboi get it
I explained that some comment up
barren tapir
I do and alotta the stuff bout the wierdness of what a wyrd is tends to get more...
Wyrd, as i said, is often used to indicate stuff related to psyker, like, a guard see a psychic power being manifested, the guard will call it a wyrd
gusty fulcrum
QUestion before i post anything bout blanks Has the paraiah gene considered cannon agian
primal tide
The necron portion is retconned tho right
gusty fulcrum
Wyrd, as i said, is often used to indicate stuff related to psyker, like, a guar...
Ya and in the novels ive read thier basicly just barely above human lvls of psychic energy as in theyre not even the first rank of psyker
barren tapir
While before it was stated that it was a necron thing in origin now it is more mysterious
gusty fulcrum
Cuz i guess theres blanks and True blanks
barren tapir
Ah, that
gusty fulcrum
While the term "Blank" is often ascribed to all who possess the anti-psychic mutation, true Blanks, also called "Untouchables," are those Humans who possess the Pariah Gene in its recessive form in their genetic code.
cursive hull
Reject the premise.
barren tapir
AFAIK that has been retconnected too, there are no pariah or blank or untouchable or anything, all the same
cursive hull
I was about to say
barren tapir
Just different name for the same thing
cursive hull
It just makes sense to assume that you can't be anymore blank.
I mean, again
Being blank means you don't have a soul
You can't have less of a soul than none.
primal tide
Maybe all blanks have the same level of no soul, but varying levels of making the warp harder to reach
gusty fulcrum
Welll in some stuff its kinda implied thye have something instead ofa soul
barren tapir
The thing is that blank lore is mysterious, and GW still didn't anything to fix all the contradictions... Maybe even added some
gusty fulcrum
Like the soul equivelant ofa black hole
Ya thats what i was gonna get at for why its kinda hard to label what is and isnt a blank
barren tapir
That is how someone who see via the warp would see them
Not what they have
In fact it is stated that blanks simple repel the warp, and a black hole hardly repel stuff
primal tide
Like, we don't know that their blank effect is directly proportional to how much they lack a soul. It could be the lack of soul makes them a blank, but something innate determines how strong that effect is
eternal ledge
From what I remember they have a soul but because of so weird shit it's like inverted
barren tapir
Unless i missed some important new physic discovery
gusty fulcrum
This is because the T'au have virtually no psychic presence in the Warp. To the daemon, they appear as a shifting will-o-the-wisp rather than the burning fire that represents a Human's soul. As such, T'au can never have psychic powers.
I actually find this bit kinda interesting
barren tapir
Not yet at least
cursive hull
This is the same mindfuck Kotor 2 introduced to Star Wars. That you can be a hole in the force and thus feed off the strength of nearby force users like a leech.
While Kotor 2 was a stroke of genius for as a game, I'm glad its not important lore wise.
It just makes people confused.
eternal ledge
Instead of a radiating light it Instead is a null void that neutralizes the warp
cursive hull
...Wasn't a T'au possessed recently in lore?
eternal ledge
Yes
cursive hull
So they gotta be at least getting a tiny bit stronger over time soul wise.
gusty fulcrum
Isnt that the fireworrior novel though?
gusty fulcrum
Well i guess the page im reading theyre more protecting mentally form warp effect then physically because they dotn really get what the warp is yet
barren tapir
It was a water caste tau? Because i know one got possessed
gusty fulcrum
The T'au do not possess psykers and as a result have little knowledge of the Immaterium beyond its existence. This gives them some level of resistance to Warp-based powers affecting the mind, but it offers little, if any, protection against physically-manifested offensive psychic powers.
eternal ledge
Kais was a fire wqrrior and was getting overcome with rage and bloodlust from the battle
gusty fulcrum
Not sure if that possesion counts as purely mental assult to be fair
barren tapir
The T'au do not possess psykers and as a result have little knowledge of the Imm...
Not knowing about the immaterium don't give protection from it
gusty fulcrum
Since some demon literally just show up and like take your body basicly
eternal ledge
He had some guilt that his father put on him and he got more and more into the killing as the battle went on
cursive hull
...I was of the impression the T'au were either keeping the Warp a state secret or otherwise were naytheists (Not Atheists. But Naytheists, as in rejecting a provable magic or daemons.)
I mean, they know the warp exists
barren tapir
Entire cadres of warriors got influenced by khorne bloodlust on vior'la during an invasion by CSM
cursive hull
But they think its some other plane of existence with weird aliens in it
At least, last I checked.
eternal ledge
He almost fell to Khorn until his commander snapped him back
barren tapir
I mean, they know the *warp* exists
Not really, they just recently started sailing it
cursive hull
That... Doesn't really make sense.
gusty fulcrum
Not knowing about the immaterium don't give protection from it
Eh yes n know it depends if you also has something in place like spirtual beleif
eternal ledge
Not really, they just recently started sailing it
No they have used it since the became interstellar
gusty fulcrum
ANd with the tau being logiccal they would just take whisperings in tehir ear as like crazyness or some shit im sure
eternal ledge
They don't have navigators so they make short jumps
barren tapir
And tau just don't know what the immaterium is, they are starting to understad it as a different dimension, exactly how mankind did when first discovered it
cursive hull
ANd with the tau being logiccal they would just take whisperings in tehir ear as...
Its usually passed off as radio/coms interference.
gusty fulcrum
Its usually passed off as radio/coms interference.
Ya this is how i assume the general tau brushes off chaos whisperings
barren tapir
No they have used it since the became interstellar
Wrong, they started using the warp recently, they used a very crude version of engine that let them skimmer the surface of the warp, they started sailing into it with the slipstream engine, which caused the startide nexus
And with that they started studying the immaterium
cursive hull
At least, that's what Dawn of War 1 did. Eliphas the Inheritor rants at the T'au commander, who can't even hear him.
Because he wasn't using a Vox, he was trying to speak to him psychically, and of course T'au aren't strong enough to receive messages quite like that.
eternal ledge
Ah Dark Crusade
gusty fulcrum
Remeber humans were sorta resisting the warp without knowing it was there for a long time
cursive hull
I wouldn't say resisting it
gusty fulcrum
Cuz our religions allowed us to defend ourselves basicly
barren tapir
BTW, the latest warp engine that tau used was just a retro engineered imperial warp engine
cursive hull
Nor that either.
gusty fulcrum
Ya i gues new lore says the empoeror fucked us by getting rid of religion
barren tapir
They literally copied it, but didn't fully understand how it work
cursive hull
Specifically because the Emperor tried the Imperial truth to stop religions for the reason he thought it was worshipping the Chaos Gods by other names.
barren tapir
Ya i gues new lore says the empoeror fucked us by getting rid of religion
Nope
cursive hull
That's how I've always understood it.
gusty fulcrum
Cuz our faith in those religions was actually divertaing psychic energy away from chaos gods
barren tapir
Cuz our faith in those religions was actually divertaing psychic energy away fro...
Nope
eternal ledge
Sorry I was going off what I remembered form the Tau 3rd and 4th ed codex
gusty fulcrum
Nope o guess tahts something new
cursive hull
They've never been belief based.
gusty fulcrum
Uh ya
eternal ledge
Yeah as aspects of emotions
gusty fulcrum
you can ltierally use your faith in teh empoere to hurt demons
barren tapir
Before the age of strife the warp wasn't very chaotic
eternal ledge
That's a different type of warp fuckery
cursive hull
Because you believe it does, not because you don't think daemons exist.
Warhammer literally works on clap your hands and believe
storm jungle
Also as for now in the lore Psykers started appearing for no reason iirc
gusty fulcrum
Warhammer literally works on clap your hands and believe
Yes thats why getting rid of the old religions fucked us
barren tapir
Nope
cursive hull
The Chaos Gods do not work like that.
gusty fulcrum
Cuz Christianity and shit was actually diverting our psychic energy from teh chaos gods
storm jungle
What fucked humanity was Big E not telling anyone the truth
cursive hull
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS
gusty fulcrum
THATS HOW IT DOES
barren tapir
Cuz Christianity and shit was actually diverting our psychic energy from teh cha...
Nope
gusty fulcrum
THATS LITERALLY WHAT RELIGION IS CLAP YOUR HANDS AND BELIEVE IN A NUTSHELL
barren tapir
In fact christianity helped form new demons
cursive hull
^^^
barren tapir
The ragged knight is just an example
cursive hull
The Chaos Gods formed because of all the emotional bullshit humanity went through in our history.
Khorne was born more or less out of the Middle ages
storm jungle
Also we as a planet worship a few deities but we have nowhere near the amount of numbers required to make a god in the warp.
Big E has people worship him across the galaxy as an example.
cursive hull
Where most people were highly religious I must point out
barren tapir
Oh, and btw, khorne, nurgle and tzeneetch become self coscient during the terran middle ages
cursive hull
Whole crusades were fought (Partially over politics) over religions in the middle ages.
Its not about faith.
storm jungle
Its not even politics tbh
cursive hull
Its about the fact all those crusaders hated one another.
gusty fulcrum
I never said they made gods
cursive hull
~~*popes just wanna get rich*~~
And get the Byzantines back under his control
To do the rich thing.
barren tapir
I never said they made gods
The thing is that those religions still feed the chaos entities
cursive hull
(Which he failed)
gusty fulcrum
I stating that having your fiath in something NOT TIED TO CHAOS deprives it of energy
primal tide
No
storm jungle
It doesnt!
cursive hull
Your emotions matter, not whether or not your sending it at what you think is your god.
barren tapir
I stating that having your fiath in something NOT TIED TO CHAOS deprives it of e...
Not really
gusty fulcrum
DID YOU NOT READ THE HORUS HERESY NOVEL WERE LITERALLY THEY GET RID OF DEMON USING HOLY SYMBOLS?
barren tapir
People worshipping big e are also feeding the chaos entities
cursive hull
You pig out like a champ on cake every day? That feeds Slaanesh, no matter how hard you pray to the Emperor.
storm jungle
Yeah EVERYONE gets their share
cursive hull
You kill someone in a murderous rampage? Even if you're faithful to the Imperial creed, you just fed Khorne.
barren tapir
DID YOU NOT READ THE HORUS HERESY NOVEL WERE LITERALLY THEY GET RID OF DEMON USI...
Yes, i did... And if you read more about that it isn't because of that religion, but it is more because you think it work, and your subconscious link to the warp make it so
It is similar to the waagh thing of orks
primal tide
Fight with insane bloodlust for the god emperor? Khorne is laughing while you do it
cursive hull
The point is that Chaos cannot be defeated by depriving it unless literally all life goes kaput in the galaxy.
The Warp is a realm of emotion, not faith.
gusty fulcrum
Yes, i did... And if you read more about that it isn't because of that religion,...
Yes and theyre implying old world religions allowed you to do that
storm jungle
IT DOESNT!
barren tapir
Faith is also just a psychic manifestation, it is nothing more
gusty fulcrum
Cuz its your faith in rejecting the demon
storm jungle
Old World religions have no power since their worshippers are small as hell
cursive hull
You can't just "Believe there are no daemons" the Daemons to death.
barren tapir
Yes and theyre implying old world religions allowed you to do that
Again, it is not the religion, it is you thinking that it is the religion
cursive hull
You can believe in your own hype enough to stare one down though.
storm jungle
You can't just "Believe there are no daemons" the Daemons to death.
Yeah even an SoB shouting I DENY YOU in a book has to shout that then shoot said demon in the face
Words can only do so much before you gotta unload those bullets boyo
gusty fulcrum
Again, it is not the religion, it is you thinking that it is the religion
Omg it boils down to Faith kills demons
barren tapir
It is a gestalt thing
cursive hull
It genuinely doesn't and can't.
barren tapir
Omg it boils down to Faith kills demons
Nope
cursive hull
You cannot just believe real hard.
gusty fulcrum
Yes
storm jungle
Faith denies demons.
gusty fulcrum
cuz its all about what you believe
storm jungle
It doesnt eradicate them.
cursive hull
...If it was what you believed, the Imperial Truth from the great crusade would have wiped Chaos out
gusty fulcrum
FIne sry i wasnt specific enough in saying get rid of demon
cursive hull
All of humanity was atheist
primal tide
You can't just "Believe there are no daemons" the Daemons to death.
The best example is fabius having complete disregard for daemons, knowing with certainty they are nothing more than emotions and junk, and the most it does to the daemons is it makes them uncomfortable
gusty fulcrum
But yes a fucking imperial preist could defeat a lesser demon on faith alone
barren tapir
...If it was what you believed, the Imperial Truth from the great crusade would ...
It was functioning btw, the chaos gods were being weakened
gusty fulcrum
By banishing it
cursive hull
The best example is fabius having complete disregard for daemons, knowing with c...
Well yeah, I said something to that extent.
gusty fulcrum
Its even in teh Tabletop rpg games
primal tide
Well yeah, I said something to that extent.
Yea, I was agreeing is all
barren tapir
You know what also banish demons? Guns, and even disregarding them
cursive hull
An Imperial Priest usually also has to beat that daemon with a stick to get it done.
gusty fulcrum
An Imperial Priest usually also has to beat that daemon with a stick to get it d...
But theyre are rules for banishing using faith and ritual
Ya know exorcisms are a thing in 40k
cursive hull
Don't most possessions require extreme trauma to undo?
barren tapir
Ah, yeah, symbolism
shut wind
IT BANISHES DEMONS
Demon names banish demons
barren tapir
It is extremely powerful with the warp
gusty fulcrum
Don't most possessions require extreme trauma to undo?
Never said its fun
primal tide
Cuz Christianity and shit was actually diverting our psychic energy from teh cha...
Regardless, this statement is still wrong as hell
gusty fulcrum
Demon names banish demons
Names are the most effective form of nbanishment
primal tide
The conversation has strayed so far from your original statement lol
barren tapir
The original discussion was about the only hope of humanity, blanks
So, we have strayed quite far indeed
primal tide
Lol fair
gusty fulcrum
The conversation has strayed so far from your original statement lol
Yes i notice this happens alot to many people here
cursive hull
And Blanks are:
storm jungle
Haha I get it
primal tide
And christianity ain't doing shit against the warp
storm jungle
barren tapir
Spook, how much new are you to WH40K lore?
gusty fulcrum
And christianity ain't doing shit against the warp
I was using it as an example
gusty fulcrum
Not that chirstianity itself was the ultimate saviour of the times
storm jungle
Religion is more or so a coping mechanism
unless god can give me a flaming sword i aint gonna bend
barren tapir
Even after that i wouldn't bend
storm jungle
I dont care if i sound like an r/atheist user lol
gusty fulcrum
No iwas just getting more at the whole faith works in helping to deal with demons
But you guys were focusing more on teh religions themselves
barren tapir
Like guns
primal tide
Only cuz of the emperor
gusty fulcrum
Only cuz of the emperor
Not jsut because of him
gusty fulcrum
Only cuz of the emperor
Cuz this was pre imperial cult
cursive hull
gusty fulcrum
The banishment im thinking of
barren tapir
The guy who banish a demon was a proto imperial cultist
gusty fulcrum
Although Yes with emperor Being big mister psycher helps a fuckton im sure
barren tapir
It was a follower of the lectitio divinatus
gusty fulcrum
The guy who banish a demon was a proto imperial cultist
Yes but they imply its more his underlyinging faith is what gives him power not teh emperor himself
barren tapir
So it was a worshipper of big e
gusty fulcrum
that gives power
peak hamlet
Religion is more or so a coping mechanism
Yes
barren tapir
Because faith is nothing more than a gestalt psychic manifestation
peak hamlet
I hate religion too, without it a lot of problems wouldn't exist
barren tapir
It isn't religion per se, it is you all the time this is about the religion being effective against demons
gusty fulcrum
Its just religions give you more somthign to focus faith around
gusty fulcrum
Hence with the imerial cult now being the only religion for huamnity
gusty fulcrum
Super powerful focus for faith channeling basicly
barren tapir
Its just religions give you more somthign to focus faith around
It give you with which you can blindly focus that is true
storm jungle
I'm pretty sure its why Big E was such a massive r/atheist user
like his methods and argument was really cringe
but he could have used it better lol
cursive hull
In fairness, advocating to remove as many subgroups is probably a good idea.
visual pumice
ultimate reddit user
peak hamlet
Hes right tho
primal tide
like his methods and argument was really cringe
He had trouble cuz his dank memes were too ancient to be understood
gusty fulcrum
In fairness, advocating to remove as many subgroups is probably a good idea.
Well thats why i assumed the imperial faith is as strong as it is and can effect demon like it can
gusty fulcrum
THe imperial faith is basicly a superpowerfull means of channeling via faith
primal tide
Thinking other people's beliefs don't affect you
Not in america
:weary:
barren tapir
The imperial cult isn't the same on all worlds
storm jungle
LEL
cursive hull
That's... Really weird.
gusty fulcrum
And im sure once he hit the throne is when he started probably really sharing his 'gifts' through humans
cursive hull
I've seen that entire R/Atheists screed, but from the perspective of religion.
Like, replace "Atheism" with "Christianity" and you get a worrying number of politicians.
gusty fulcrum
The imperial cult isn't the same on all worlds
No but i think its the Fact it THE IMPERIAL CULT rather then various outright seprate religions binds it together
odd sparrow
america in particular has religion pulling like,,, obvs it varies per state but i've heard nasty things from the more pious ones
storm jungle
Also theres the real Imperial Cult; aka seeing your ruler being chosen by gods
gusty fulcrum
And i sure it boosts the emperor on some level
storm jungle
which is a medieval thing im sure 40k is parodying
odd sparrow
meanwhile in teaching creationism as equally valid to normal stuff
peak hamlet
Actually nvm i found a better one
Pretty accurate
storm jungle
also yeah one thing I never understood is the opening text-crawl for 40k always says the Emperor was chosen "By the gods"
primal tide
america in particular has religion pulling like,,, obvs it varies per state but ...
Yeah it is absolutely fucked here
cursive hull
Yeah... America has it really fucking backward.
storm jungle
which is weird
cursive hull
And I hate that.
Religion can and will be used to bludgeon minorities of all kinds.
crisp heath
Actually nvm i found a better one
Atheists are like orks Americans like Gork are Kunninly Brutal and Europeans like Mork are Brutally Kunnin
gusty fulcrum
which is a medieval thing im sure 40k is parodying
Well ya anything big in 40k is a paradoy of soem historicle even or another
odd sparrow
Turns out that when crazy mega-puritans play a significant role in ur nations founding then like
yike
odd sparrow
also yeah one thing I never understood is the opening text-crawl for 40k always ...
cus [sinister vaguely chaos'y] nonsense
cursive hull
Someone in some state legit tried to ban the Mexican day of the Dead (Keep in mind Mexico is hyper catholic) because they legit thought it was a genuine necromantic ritual in defiance of god.
odd sparrow
man like
primal tide
Someone in some state legit tried to ban the Mexican day of the Dead (Keep in mi...
Boy do I wish it actually was that, too
odd sparrow
I've seen a wholly unreasonable number of christians who are like, unironically up in arms about that kind of nonsense
peak hamlet
Someone in some state legit tried to ban the Mexican day of the Dead (Keep in mi...
Humans are stupid
Very stupid
cursive hull
Oh, fuck yeah, I'd totally do necromantic rituals in defiance of god.
odd sparrow
like. no i'm sorry but satanist pagans aren't controlling the government and murdering babies
cursive hull
But I can't, so I'm just a salty Atheist instead.
odd sparrow
it's not 1600 how is this a thing
gusty fulcrum
Oh, fuck yeah, I'd totally do necromantic rituals in defiance of god.
Even though hes a bit of teh necromancer himself
storm jungle
like. no i'm sorry but satanist pagans aren't controlling the government and mur...
No thats The Patriots
odd sparrow
idk is it necromancy if ur just like, bringing ppl back from the brink of death like they were before
storm jungle
odd sparrow
No thats The Patriots
this seems incomprehensible
crisp heath
No thats The Patriots
The La li lu le lo?
gusty fulcrum
You would be lynched in several US states for saying such
HAvnt been yet
crisp heath
Atheists are like orks Americans like Gork are Kunninly Brutal and Europeans lik...
I say this because European Atheists can be very condescending
"Bri'ish"
cursive hull
...In fairness, they might have some merit to be condescending.
peak hamlet
Good thing im not bri'ish
peak hamlet
that's literally how i pronounce it
Same
storm jungle
crisp heath
More than likely
eternal ledge
I'm not Militant Atheist but JFC leave me the fuck alone
odd sparrow
Yet more reason to hate big e
or uh
going off womens descriptions, small e apparently
storm jungle
Tbh jokes aside I'm pretty sure Big E would be someone more close to that interviewer in the presidental debate
"CAN YOU BOTH STOP"
cursive hull
He'd join the argument, and like usual
crisp heath
Yet more reason to hate big e
Yet more reason that big e is B B B BASED
/S
cursive hull
He'd be right
storm jungle
LOL
gusty fulcrum
And why is he right?
Glamour
barren tapir
I have no idea what is going on
odd sparrow
even in the hottest depictions he looks like
gusty fulcrum
idk he's not even hot??
He will be for you
cursive hull
And huge.
odd sparrow
sorta blocky and weird
storm jungle
No bulge ftw
cursive hull
Eh, I just like that he is from somewhere in Anatolia.
crisp heath
I like me some hittite/native american men
The weirdest combination of chad
peak hamlet
He got long black hair
barren tapir
How the hell you did arrive at discussing big e appearence?
gusty fulcrum
WEll he bascily looks and sounds like wahtever he needs to to cahrm people as his passive glamour
peak hamlet
Hes sexy af
storm jungle
Eh, I just like that he is from somewhere in Anatolia.
The bank of sakarya river iirc
gusty fulcrum
thats suppose to be why we relaly arnt suppose to know him
I guess its even oimplied most of teh time he isnt even talking and just lettign teh glamour do all teh work
crisp heath
Also wasn't big e hinted at meeting/being jesus kek
storm jungle
I think so?
odd sparrow
this does remain my fav depiction of big e tbh
storm jungle
I think he was jesus's 13th apostle
odd sparrow
if ur emperor isn't glowing he's not the emperor
storm jungle
but for the life of me i never know where thats from
gusty fulcrum
Also wasn't big e hinted at meeting/being jesus kek
Eitehr jesus or desciple depending on teh source
cursive hull
He was also Abraham Lincoln, wasn't he?
cursive hull
I agree with this. Big E should be fucking otherwordly.
storm jungle
cursive hull
Worldly*
gusty fulcrum
The say he does yet doesnt
cursive hull
He's a bunch of mushroom smoking shamans combined into a singular being through magic.
gusty fulcrum
Hes more tehn human in most eyes
cursive hull
He damn well better not look normal.
primal tide
Yall need to stop shaming, he's just big boned
odd sparrow
ur big boned uwu
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
He was also Abraham Lincoln, wasn't he?
He was also gilgamesh and I'm pretty sure humbaba was a chaos daemon
gusty fulcrum
He's a bunch of mushroom smoking shamans combined into a singular being through ...
Sadly thats more or less considered retcon
storm jungle
Big Smoke was one of Big E's disguises
odd sparrow
big e is actually merkel
storm jungle
odd sparrow
he has a unique relationship to gender
gusty fulcrum
Hes now Just the Most powerfull Perpetual
gusty fulcrum
I hope teh get back to the gestalt shaman party origin at some point though
cursive hull
Didn't most of them die?
odd sparrow
tbh how does that work actually
cursive hull
Read: Get shot by the Inquisition or whatever.
crisp heath
Sadly thats more or less considered retcon
What was the original version of the shaman story then?
odd sparrow
or does he do like
storm jungle
a million lil big e bastards running around
Yes, the sensei!
odd sparrow
idk psychic abortions
gusty fulcrum
tbh how does that work actually
Well when a lady and a dude like each otehr very very much....
cursive hull
Yes, the Sensei
storm jungle
cursive hull
...Most of whom are dead.
odd sparrow
F
cursive hull
Because they got killed by people who didn't know better.
crisp heath
Ollanius pius is a based Catheric
gusty fulcrum
What was the original version of the shaman story then?
Baicly there were some super powerfull human shaman that would reincanate when they died
odd sparrow
Ollanius pius is a based Catheric
gprgarg god i hate that detail
gusty fulcrum
But the noticed less and less of tehm were comign back
odd sparrow
cAtHeRiC just say it u cowards
cursive hull
Because the Imperium's ability to process things is this image.
odd sparrow
you already have the pre conquest map of earth looking like the half baked map from some post apocalyptic anime
gusty fulcrum
And figured out something(demons)was hutnign tehm down while tehy watited to reincarnate
storm jungle
Because the Imperium's ability to process things is this image.
LOL
crisp heath
gprgarg god i hate that detail
Lol I hate it too lol. Don't bastardize the holy language
cursive hull
Nah
cursive hull
I kinda like that they reinterpret things.
storm jungle
Oh my god, speaking of, you guys need to see Big E explaining greek gods to a custodian
cursive hull
France being "Land of the Frank."
storm jungle
1 sec ill get it
gusty fulcrum
Oh my god, speaking of, you guys need to see Big E explaining greek gods to a cu...
Wut?
storm jungle
YEAH 1 SEC
odd sparrow
France being "Land of the Frank."
it's silly af
and i get like,,, yeah okay it's 40k sure whatever
crisp heath
catholicism doesn't deserve to survive past like
I mean I can see that happening. Through all the years of oppression the religion simply won't die
odd sparrow
but do u mean to tell me that nations and culture would somehow barely change for 38k years
gusty fulcrum
Dudes the names made me kinda chuckle so on teh damn nose
storm jungle
‘And so I gave them Ullanor,’ the Emperor said. ‘They crave recognition for their honour and
achievements, and the Triumph was the ultimate expression of that. In that regard, they are just as the
Akhean gods and goddesses of Ulimpos were believed to be.’Ra knew the legends. Zoas Lightningfather. Avena Warbringer. Hermios Swiftrunner. Heraklus Halfgod.
Bickering, violent divinities who were powerful enough to act with impunity over the mortals that prayed to them.‘Humanity’s perception of god-beings has never been consistent,’ the Emperor mused. ‘Give any being great power and the largesse to act with impunity, and what you have is indivisible from those ancient myths. The rage of thunder gods. The battle drums of nations that prayed to war gods. The madness and decadence of powerful kings. That is what true power has always done to the mortal mind – elements of humanity become magnified, more human than human. In that light, are the primarchs not deities?’
He tells the Copyright Free™️ version
odd sparrow
I mean I can see that happening. Through all the years of oppression the religio...
idk they did lose most of northern europe on account of the oppression
it's not a great strat
primal tide
ULIMPOS
odd sparrow
(that is BAIT to be clear)
storm jungle
ZOAS
primal tide
MT ULIMPOS oh my god
gusty fulcrum
> ‘And so I gave them Ullanor,’ the Emperor said. ‘They crave recognition for th...
Wow its almost liek theres some foreshadowing in there or soemthing
storm jungle
ISNT GREEK LEGENDS PUBLIC DOMAIN
crisp heath
(that is BAIT to be clear)
I get it lol. I'm saying it's more than likely. Remember Peter was basically promised that there will be an infinite line of popes
odd sparrow
so like,, why tho
cursive hull
I draw the line at not just using Olympus.
storm jungle
the writer was a fraud probs
odd sparrow
probs
eternal ledge
Its supposed to be like the spellings after like 30k years of degradation
cursive hull
At least France was, at one time, called Frankia.
crisp heath
ISNT GREEK LEGENDS PUBLIC DOMAIN
It's like classical music where the performance is copyrighted
cursive hull
At least its close
storm jungle
I draw the line at not just using Olympus.
THE WORST PART IS, in universe they use Olympus for the Olympus Treaty
aka the one with the admech
SO CLEARLY they can use it here too
cursive hull
Fuck.
odd sparrow
pardon
storm jungle
but Cawl spells it Gel Du Lac
odd sparrow
we need to cancel 40k
cursive hull
Herakles is the original spelling from greek, so Heraklus isn't far off.
gusty fulcrum
Also theres Goldilocks
Rinbow sunshine sparjkle?
primal tide
Ancient texts describe the Billiad and the Bodyssey
cursive hull
Literally one letter.
storm jungle
Ancient texts describe the Billiad and the Bodyssey
KSDKJDFS
crisp heath
> ‘And so I gave them Ullanor,’ the Emperor said. ‘They crave recognition for th...
Tbh reading this is like listening to meiji Japanese trying to explain the American revolution
storm jungle
ikr
Big E is bad
that poor custodian
"My Liege, what the fuck are you talking about."
primal tide
"He's talking about Sat And Claws giving gifts to children again"
storm jungle
LOL
gusty fulcrum
Then theres fucking Fenris which is implied to be absicly a planet sized dark age viking themepark
storm jungle
cursive hull
After a while, I think the Custodians just gave up.
odd sparrow
oh god boss is fucking with the visitors again
cursive hull
Like, I'd treat Emps as a senile grandpa after a while too if I had to listen to him tell me nonesense all day.
odd sparrow
[[INTERNAL SCREAMING THAT YOUR MASTER IS UNIRONICALLY RECITING MEMES FROM 23K YEARS AGO AT PPL WHO ARE TAKING IT AS HOLY GOSPEL]]
storm jungle
The fact that the Emperor lives in this present timeline is just the funniest thing ever
Like what the fuck is he doing right now, i do wonder
gusty fulcrum
Like what the fuck is he doing right now, i do wonder
Makin tacos
storm jungle
aaaaa
cursive hull
Like what the fuck is he doing right now, i do wonder
Screaming from the side line.
odd sparrow
imagining big e in an apron rn
crouched over
his head still touching the kitchen ceiling
storm jungle
perfect husbando
primal tide
[[INTERNAL SCREAMING THAT YOUR MASTER IS UNIRONICALLY RECITING MEMES FROM 23K YE...
E naming a planet Sugma
gusty fulcrum
its moon Dicka
storm jungle
KSDFFKSD
cursive hull
I feel like Big E in the future is just trolling us specifically.
odd sparrow
gonna go into the grimdark future and find a solar system big E set aside purely for meme names
primal tide
Planet Pepe
gusty fulcrum
Kekulas Prime
crisp heath
ikr
Like the Japanese scholar literally describes Washington as a "North American Burger"
odd sparrow
eventually get thrown into the void by the local rogue trader cus u keep laughing ur ass off at serious discussions on trade missions to amogus
primal tide
Cursed
eternal ledge
eventually get thrown into the void by the local rogue trader cus u keep laughin...
Your last breath "worth it"
gusty fulcrum
eventually get thrown into the void by the local rogue trader cus u keep laughin...
Do Amogusians wear hazmat suits or space suits 24/7
storm jungle
AAAAAAAAAAA
gusty fulcrum
Theres literally a planet in teh imperium thats like lving in an old monochrome tv
cursive hull
Big E uses his powers to evaporate us from time space just like Horus, colorized.
gusty fulcrum
Due to teh sun everything is a varying shade of grey
crisp heath
**AAAAAAAAAAA**
There is also a wood block painting of Washington fist fighting a tiger
storm jungle
Theres a system called Sodallagain named by a "very bored explorer"
gusty fulcrum
Huamns from teh planet are grey with grey balnk eyes yet arnt counted as abhuman
And the love psychedilc drugs and dyes cuz thats the only way the get to see color
cursive hull
In fairness...
Japan had it rough having to catch up on all the crap that happened while they were isolationist.
crisp heath
In fairness...
Japan had it rough having to catch up on all the crap that happe...
I get it it's just funny. But it's cool to see Washington wearing a Tokugawa crest
cursive hull
It's amazing they adopted more modern concepts as quickly as they did*
Also... I can actually see Washington being a Tokugawa.
eternal ledge
crisp heath
eternal ledge
It's the Dark Angel
crisp heath
It's the Dark Angel
ASMODAI!!!
gaunt vector
who tf is in the centre?
gaunt vector
ASMODAI!!!
INTERROGATE?
crisp heath
who tf is in the centre?
Raven guard
gaunt vector
Raven guard
I have stupid
crisp heath
INTERROGATE?
Our assumptions are confirmed!
prisma lark
that Space Wolf is obviously Alpharius in disguise
gaunt vector
Our assumptions are confirmed!
He has a suspicious book!
crisp heath
He has a suspicious book!
HES IN KAHOOTS WITH THE FALLEN!
gaunt vector
HES IN KAHOOTS WITH THE FALLEN!
FALLEN!
gaunt vector
MAKE HIM REPENT!
REPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE- cuts to end credits
eternal ledge
I can just see him breaking the meeting table in half with his Crozius
Smashing the emergency meet button
gusty fulcrum
I love me some tts
Its basicly become one of my favorite shows to put on in the background whne im, doin shit
eternal ledge
It's what got me back into warhammer
gusty fulcrum
The fabsotdes intro scene was and is still one of my faves
The audio logs are really good too
eternal ledge
All hail Boy future Chapter Master of the Imperial Fists
crisp heath
I can just see him breaking the meeting table in half with his Crozius
YOU'RE HERETICAL!!!
coarse mirage
Erectus huhuhuhuh
storm jungle
Synospis of that Tau interrogation story with a Sister of Battle incase anyone wants to take a look.
gaunt vector
thank you
storm jungle
this is like the last church but tau/sororitas tbh lol
at least both sides are kinda hypocrites here
storm jungle
Yeah cant wait for the sister fans to complain about this already
barren tapir
Lol, tau want to capture and study a living saint... Well, i'm not gonna stop them
storm jungle
lel
barren tapir
Lol, tau manage to understand more about faith than the imperium... Fuck, this is so good... It clearly show how much crap is the imprium, and i love it... All because of religion... NGL, pretty much all excerpt that have tau tend to be really interesting and show how much the imperium need to be just one of many human factions in the galaxy
storm jungle
Yeah like both sides are wrong but Anarchia talking shit like the Imperium is any better is true lul material
barren tapir
She is right on one thing though, many rules and laws of the imperium are born out of necessity... It is just that they then escalated because ignorance and hatred...
While the tau show to be extremely naive thinking that what the imperium managed to do in 38K hasn't had any up and down... They seem to see things only going better, and that make sense since they are extremely young as a race and empire
Also yay, nicassar are still in
Lol, tau being surprised that a sob is resistant to sleep deprivation... Sleep deprivation is kinda a constant for a sob, it is part of their test and training... Sleep deprivation is kinda part of the imperium at all level, although for different reasons
Oh no, the tau are doing something extremely dumb
Oh no
Not them too
barren tapir
The tau are playing with something that they don't seem to understand, they think that it may be a tool, but in truth it is a virus... And if they develop that way i already see the tau fans revolting
cerulean wagon
i mean thats kinda the taus deal
"we won't fuck up like they did cause we are better"
"oh fuck we fucked up"
tau really do be like
peak hamlet
Lmao
barren tapir
That is what happened with the slipstream engine btw
gaunt vector
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed3lY0MXYAAb0HI.jpg
the tau allowing human style faith:
immediatly followed by the tau when Tzeench
cerulean wagon
man if theres one bit of that link i hate
its tau calling faith n warp stuff "mindscience"
thats fucking dumb
odd sparrow
I'm fine with them calling it mindscience, tau are meant to lean more into a less fantasy-ish sci fi vibe so it's fair they'd use more sci fi terminology
buuuut also a lot of stuff has them be like
unreasonably ignorant of it despite now having many, many interactions with psychic ppl and technology
odd sparrow
It made sense when tau were first starting out but them having no idea about it now is sorta weird
odd sparrow
yep
barren tapir
It is them not wanting to acknowledge it
cerulean wagon
its very silly
odd sparrow
They have a number of very psychic races too
barren tapir
They simply don't want to recognize it
odd sparrow
so the whole it's a human thing they don't especially wanna acknowledge stuff is silly
sir just like
ask a nicassar
they're surprisingly talkative just go in there with a notebook??
cerulean wagon
tau feel like uhh
that one guy who joins a DND game and plays an atheist who doesnt believe in magic or gods
when half the party are mages
odd sparrow
gbfsrghas yep
barren tapir
I'm not well versed on the nicassar, but it seems that they have weak connection to the warp
odd sparrow
She was given an officer's luxury and provided food she was accustomed to, prepared in the Imperial fashion bland and unpalatable. further evidence that the imperium is space britain
barren tapir
LOL
peak hamlet
that one guy who joins a DND game and plays an atheist who doesnt believe in mag...
Lmao
barren tapir
that one guy who joins a DND game and plays an atheist who doesnt believe in mag...
I feel attacked
odd sparrow
not that much has been written about them but their like, feats involve being able to telekinetically propel their smol (in 40k spaceship terms) escort vessels without need for engines, and also being able to easily feel the intent of humans hundreds of thousands of miles away
so idk
It's weird that the doesn't know psychic stuff trope is still written so much into tau stories
cerulean wagon
sounds astropathy ratty
odd sparrow
Nicassar have long curving claws. Though their psychic nature meant they rarely used physical force, the ambassador has no doubt that they can tear apart a space marine with a single swipe.
NICASSAR MELEE NICASSAR MELEE
give us the models gw you fucks
nicassar claw swipe -4 AP give it to us
slap
cerulean wagon
considering the ambassador was tau they prob arent actually that good
but also
its a fucking bear
odd sparrow
Bears of unusual size
hm i wonder if they can just telekinetically crush ppl
nicassar best race, and after that it's kroot
primal tide
'The Nicassar are driven by an insatiable curiosity to explore and travel, becoming semi-nomadic and most content when traveling. '
Okay so they are just the goodest boyes
I am just learning that these exist and I love them
odd sparrow
there's not enough art for nicassar tbh
this vibe is the only valid interpretation
tho needs to be longer and with more quill-like fur
final spruce
The psyker bears of the Taus correct ?
odd sparrow
the best tau race yes
final spruce
Space wizard bears sound like a good contender
final spruce
You also got fake dwarves
barren tapir
I just noticed that kroot are the real genestealers... They literally steal genes
odd sparrow
demiurg get points PURELY cus of how cool their voices are in BFG
final spruce
I mean they gotta earn it for the Kroots
They got to kill their prey
Genestealer hypnotize you then kisses you
peak hamlet
"Imperial trade route"
Jesus christ
They just ambushed and massacred an trade fleet
atomic pelican
That trade fleet with warships
Its exposition
Also rip gothic 2 for not having more campaign dlcs
Feels so weird that it didnt even have a free campaign ala galactic conquest
storm jungle
I think the chaos DLC just didnt sell well