Ah, no, not at all
#40k-lore-chat
novel fulcrum
if they are not rebelling against the imperium, then they are not traitors
barren tapir
Of course those rebellions objective is to keep the world in the imperium
cursive hull
If I'm correct, the Administratum record/scribe world Rophanon was like that. They weren't upset over the Emperor, or really the Imperium at large. They wanted to have less restrictive laws and oversight by the Administratum and thusly rebelled.
novel fulcrum
they wanted to have less restrictive laws and oversight by the administratum
they wanted to act outside of accordance with the book of judgement, the entirety of which is the god emperor's spoken word, and to have less oversight from His most holy of organizational bodies, the blessed Administratum
heresy
barren tapir
Not sure if RP as a ministrorum priest or if serious
novel fulcrum
the first option is really all that matters
it doesn't matter what the true reality of things is
the imperium cares not for the truth
it cares only for its deeply-seated dogma, its xenophobia, its fearmongering
the god-emperor carries on for you, his grateful servant, and to turn from his light is to betray the god that watches over all dutiful humans
serene jungle
But how do you lose and recover 100 baneblades?
barren tapir
the god-emperor carries on for you, his grateful servant, and to turn from his l...
What if i'm rebelling against those who have turned from his light? Am i a traitor since i'm overthrowing someone that was at his place because the emperor want them there or am i a good guy?
barren tapir
But how do you lose and recover 100 baneblades?
You misplace their box
cursive hull
Perils of the warp
novel fulcrum
What if i'm rebelling against those who have turned from his light? Am i a trait...
then you're a krieger
loathe yourself for letting it get so bad in the first place, but carry on with the emperor's blessing and know that through duty, you will be redeemed
cursive hull
(And attacking the IG base on Kareuva 1)
novel fulcrum
But how do you lose and recover 100 baneblades?
just dip into general creed's personal supply, since he doesn't have need of it anymore
barren tapir
then you're a krieger
loathe yourself for letting it get so bad in the first pla...
Funny, as the krieger didn't rebelled against secessionist, the kriegers fought the secessionist...
It was more a civil war on krieg
novel fulcrum
yes, but one side, the ruling class, was making the decision to secede, while those that went on to be kriegers were those who opposed them
so yes, the ancestors of the modern kriegers were loyalists fighting heretics
a shame that they could only win through a scorched earth policy, but a victory for the emperor all the same
crisp heath
NOT NEWS ABOUT THE GAME
storm jungle
Old-Man-Person-Writer answering question-thingies
Also "The black legion are just not cackling villains. They've got this extraordinary thing going on."
barren tapir
Yeah, it is called continuous infighting in the eye of terror, if he want to call that extraordinary he is free to do that
visual pumice
are the gaunt books good incidentally? i'm liking the new models
also feeling warm and fuzzy cause they are space scots
barren tapir
They are amazing
visual pumice
might check them out
barren tapir
storm jungle
The Emperor is functionally immortal and seems to be all but invulnerable to except but the very highest levels of damage that could be applied by say, the living Avatar of Chaos as is likely to happen at the end of the Siege of Terra. You think the end of the Siege of Terra is bad. You have NO IDEA how horrible and traumatic it is.
We all know mythologically speaking the Emperor ends up on death's door having been seriously damaged in the final confrontation, we know that. And there is a distinct possibility that very much like, I don't know, an incarnation of Doctor Who that he has suffered so grievously from his wounds he would reincarnate perpetual style and come back as the next version; played by a different actor probably; as the different version of the Emperor who would then take over but he thinks the Golden Throne is important to this so allegedly he insists that he is put on the Golden Throne to keep him alive.
There is a vice versa thing there cause he also needs to go back on the Golden Throne to keep the Golden Throne alive so there is that aspect. So it's quite possible. And this adds to the tragedy of trauma and what the Emperor has become is that he's been trapped on the Golden Throne, bounded to it forever because people think they're doing him a favor to save his life but what he's actually is dying and reincarnating over and over and over and over again for 10,000 years just to keep the whole system running. Which is agonizing and horrible. No wonder he's the; you know; the Corpse God on this throne. So yeah, again we're straying into the realms of what actually is the truth. Can't tell you it's a bit of a mystery. But there are certainly enough things about the lore there that we know that we can speculate about the true horror of the situation.
Welp, good to know the twist of the ending of the Siege of Terra at least
barren tapir
I don't get... He is dying and resuscitating perpetually?
barren tapir
I mean, some part of that message seems badly worded
storm jungle
barren tapir
And there is a distinct possibility that very much like, I don't know, the incarnation of Doctor Who that he has suffered so grievously from his wounds he would reincarnate perpetual style and come back as the next version as the different version of the Emperor who would take over but he thinks the Golden Throne is important to this so allegedly he insists he is put on the Golden Throne to keep him alive.
This has no sense to me...
barren tapir
I believe you Dilara, i don't think you made up some words
barren tapir
It s just... Weird... I know that doctor who is well know by british, but what the hell should that mean for non-british?
visual pumice
storm jungle
I believe you Dilara, i don't think you made up some words
Ah yeah i get you, again its weird for me too but its important to remember that he cant really say anything about the last book considering hes the one writing it
So I guess its bizarre because hes gotta keep his mouth shut i suppose?
barren tapir
Ok, reading the last part it seems that he is indeed in a cycle, which could make sense since we know that the golden throne is a pain engine, so it kill him, but he being a perpetual return back to life
storm jungle
Yeah i think its just him keeping the final twist hidden
Because you know HE CANNOT RESIST injecting twists into this mess of a plotline
barren tapir
Ah, ok, now i understand the middle part too
Big e was so much wounded that it would kill him even after reincarnating, so, knowing that he would be in a cycle of death and rebirth he decided to tell dorn and others that the golden throne would help him staying alive, the reason for this is because big e know how much the golden throne is important for the imperium...
There is also another interpretation though
Wait a sec... He also suggest that the emperor has been put onto the golden throne without his consent...
primal tide
The golden throne is just a vr chair so he can hang out with his waifu
barren tapir
This is also bring in the seven hammer thing... It doesn't seems a failsafe for his life...
Ok, that is interesting, hearing his words made a bit more sense... He definitely make a comparison between doctor who and big e, the interesting thing is that big e think that the golden throne is important for his next version... And that is why he return to back on it...
I also like the joke that say that like doctor who the next version of the emperor would be played by a different actor... Now, i know that lately there was quite a change in doctor who, which was the doctor being female... Of course this is a crazy idea, but what about a new empress?
And now someone should start posting the emotes and the images of a female emperor btw
storm jungle
Also funnily enough he gives that lazy ass answer a few minutes earlier on "The Emperor can bodymorph into whatever he wants to be."
barren tapir
I was thinking of the image of the empress with SM near
barren tapir
The emote is fine
primal tide
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516726759010336772/820245252383965194/ima...
BIG fan
barren tapir
It is also interesting to note that he is indeed trapped on the golden throne... And that bring the question, who know about this? Valdor? Leman?
I mean, it would make sense for valdor going away knowing that big e will suffer for a lot of time
And what would do the custodes if they discover that big e is indeed trapped on the golden throne?
primal tide
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516726759010336772/820245252383965194/ima...
If we get a femperor, does that mean we can get male sisters of battle
storm jungle
Yes
primal tide
Hahaha
storm jungle
And what would do the custodes if they discover that big e is indeed trapped on ...
Also honestly its hard to theorize
we literally got no option but to wait for the last book lol
just hoping this old asshole doesnt make it so convoluted
barren tapir
If we get a femperor, does that mean we can get male sisters of battle
No, but that mean we could get female SM
That would crush the sob because religion is bad
primal tide
No, but that mean we could get female SM
The sound of angry nerds in the distance
barren tapir
just hoping this old asshole doesnt make it so convoluted
Reading the gaunt's ghost series i can say that he, while capable to make things convoluted are quite easy to follow, at least for me
barren tapir
_The sound of angry nerds in the distance_
Ah, the salt
storm jungle
Yeee my problem with Abnett is his needless plot-twists in every book he makes. AND THE PERPETUALS
primal tide
Oprah meme w/perpetuals
barren tapir
I like the perpetuals, i don't like that they butcher some of their essence in some books, like the story of alivia sureka and malcador, that is BS
storm jungle
barren tapir
Blank, I dont like religion either but you gotta let it go
What? It would make for an amazing progression for the setting!
The fight between the religious and the follower of the imperial truth
storm jungle
pats
primal tide
They hated him, because he spoke the truth
primal tide
Truthonic
cerulean wagon
Yeee my problem with Abnett is his needless plot-twists in every book he makes. ...
i will mention a lot of his books are solid and without twists
but he does have some less great ones
storm jungle
He seems a bit up his own ass
primal tide
Nah, just british 
crisp heath
Yeee my problem with Abnett is his needless plot-twists in every book he makes. ...
ollanius pius is my favorite perpetual
literally had the balls to talk shit to horus during the final siege on terra
cerulean wagon
im psure that the HH books are curated
as in he would have been told they needed to exist
dull flame
Currently reading Mortis and I like it so far
serene jungle
Darktide, but we're only Gaunt's Ghosts
cursive hull
I love this
The Gaunt's Ghosts got me into 40k in the first place in middle school. I love that they're getting new models.
cursive hull
Definitely
prime kernel
After their book series ends they all deserve to become govenors of their own world
or i will RIOT @cursive hull
open marsh
....where is Criid?
cursive hull
Fo sho
prime kernel
you know i would love it if due to warp fuckery tanith exists again
I can see trazyn doing that
cursive hull
He wants those weirdo trees
open marsh
Rememeber that one Guardsmen who turned out to be a Beta-class psyker? He did what he was supposed to do. He turned himself in to be picked up by the black ships.
Where they tortured and mutilated him. Treating him like a wild beast despite his composure. And by coincidence the Astra Telepathica once brought him to the same world were Gaunt and the Tanith were the deployed. And fighting through the pain of the psykic nullifiers, used his powers to help them.
prime kernel
He doesnt already have them ? @cursive hull
cursive hull
Shrug I'd actually be surprised if he didn't.
But I could imagine him using time shenanigans to make Tanith exist again to go grab a whole grove.
prime kernel
@open marsh the kid with the bag pipes ?
cursive hull
No, different character
open marsh
When Gaunt finally found him. Locked in a cage. Saw him all scarred and starved. Ears cut off and like eyes and mouth sewn shut. Gaunt put him out of his misery and only barely prevented himself from slaughtering every single member of the Astra Telepathica there.
prime kernel
ive just started reading the series
smoky mauve
....where is Criid?
I think these are pre criid ghosts
open marsh
I think these are pre criid ghosts
Yeah he was. Why
But yeah. Its one of those times where the Imperium comes off as needlessly cruel. Sure he was a Beta-class psyker and could have proven a massive risk were he to lose control. But treating him like that didn't exactly helps it was only his own sheer willpower that prevented him from turning into the insane beast they treated him as. And even in such a horrific state, he still did whatever he could to help his brothers in the Tanith
prime kernel
@open marsh The imperium is just sometimes inatly cruel because being lenient can sometimes mean the death of millions
Thye just DO NOT take changes anymore
Horus heresey did not fucking help matters one bit.
open marsh
I'm aware. But this is a case their treatment of him could have made the situation vastly worse. They just lucked out that he had such strong willpower and that they just so happened to be on the same planet as the Tanith
prime kernel
Again everything is lorgars fault
@open marsh he is a beta level psyker right.
What could have done if he went batshit ?
open marsh
Worse case scenario? Exploded and created a warp rift large enough for a sizable force of daemons to flow through.
prime kernel
oooh
yeh thats rather bad
eh no wonder why some people just wanna murder all psykers
you are literally just a walking time bomb.
open marsh
Or could have given himself to Chaos in an attempt to escape his torment.
prime kernel
Sounds alot better right now.
open marsh
A Beta-class psyker could likely easily house/allow a greater daemon to exist within him
prime kernel
Then why did they treat him like shit ?
open marsh
Ignorance
Most people with that psykic potency are already insane by the time the Astra Telepathica pick them up
open marsh
Worse
And alpha-class aren't even the highest class. They are just the highest class that can be recorded
prime kernel
So what are most "stable" psykers then in terms of level
open marsh
Delta or Gamma
Most sanctioned psykers are of that class
Even a particularly powerful, say Astartes Librarian, is likely in the low-mid Delta range
prime kernel
And beta psykers can be extremly powerfull is trained correctly ?
or just grant them the emperors mercy ?
open marsh
Theoretically. Likely it's why they didn't just kill him on the spot
open marsh
The mutilations were practical. Were a daemon to possess him, it would find itself blind, mute, etc.
But the rest of the treatment was unreasonable
They atleast saw that he was sane enough, even after being mutilated, to use his powers in a beneficial way. But still treated him like an insane monster.
prime kernel
rhe fuck was the rest of the treatment ?
open marsh
rhe fuck was the rest of the treatment ?
Caged him. Starved him. And treated him like a rabid monster. Even tho he had never actually done anything to give that impression.
prime kernel
Well thats just stupid
He was blind deaf and mute for fucks sake
why go the extra mile
open marsh
Yeah. Its implied, if not made clear, that he could have bust himself out and killed every one of them with just a thought. But he was loyal to his core and withstood the hell if it meant he got to help the Tanith one last time
prime kernel
Dude if they trained him and treated him with respect he would have become a fucking MURDER MACHINE
open marsh
Yep
open marsh
Yes but no
prime kernel
I know i know thats now how it works
But neither is a commissar being in charge of a regiment
open marsh
He was still a Beta-class psyker. There is a risk that a particularly powerful daemon could take interest in him and overcome his will.
open marsh
Like I said. The mutilations were practical. But yeah the rest was stupid
prime kernel
And he probably had a bomb around his neck.
open marsh
Don't remember. Don't think so.
prime kernel
God man this is why playing a psyker in any fucking tabletop game sucks because half the time you are treated as a fucking bomb.
cursive hull
...Because you are a bomb, as far as everyone else is concerned.
open marsh
But yeah. His powers were pretty insane. Like he could sense exactly were every single being on the planet was at all times. So he used those powers to warn the Tanith of an incoming attack they may not have been aware of
By making them hear the bagpipes playing
And he could temporarily pull souls back from the warp and give them a physical body
cursive hull
Gonna admit, under the theoretical that I was in the setting and also not dead for a number of reasons, the two places I'd not stand are: 1.) Near a battle psyker, Imperial or not. 2.) The guy carrying the Plasma gun.
prime kernel
@cursive hull atleat with plasma you know whats gonna happen
open marsh
I love plasma guns. Relics. Blue glowy.
Just don't overcharge them
prime kernel
@open marsh Dont do that with a lucius pattern lasgun either.
They tend to go boom.
cursive hull
Still, I don't trust Plasma. I only distrust perils of the warp slightly more.
Give me a Lasgun or a bolter, or something like that. I'll be happy. Heck, even a melta gun. Just nothing that has a chance to detonate in my face.
...Actually, Doesn't Cain note a similar distaste in the idea of carrying a Plasma gun?
ALso, Lucius Pattern Lasguns *"Get hot"?
cursive hull
Christ.
I know you can overload lasguns and turn them into frag grenades, but I wasn't aware the Lucius pattern did it outside of those special conditions.
open marsh
Yeah. They are rigged to fire a hotter bolt. Even with additional heat sinks along the barrel, it's sometimes not enough.
Its why they don't have automatic fire. Since firing even a burst on them would likely make them explode
cursive hull
Eh, still probably more reliable than a Plasma gun.
prime kernel
Thats why the whole affix bayonet meme doesnt make sense.
They dont do it that often
Now the shovel memes ?
open marsh
Thats why the whole affix bayonet meme doesnt make sense.
Its memes.
cursive hull
The Lucius pattern is just sexy enough for me to want one regardless of the danger.
open marsh
That's how I feel about plasma
And, with newer changes to plasma rules. Proper relic plasma weapons get the full benefits of Supercharge without risk of Gets Hot
prime kernel
@cursive hull So a plasma gun exploding is bad but a lasgun is fine ?
cursive hull
Eeeh. I guess its a measurement of just how screwed you are when it detonates.
open marsh
You are dead either way
cursive hull
Yeah, but what about the guy behind me?
open marsh
A laspack detonating is roughy the same as a krak grenade exploding in your face
cursive hull
Shrug I dunno, I guess i'm just a hypocrite.
prime kernel
Recharging those lucius pattern lasguns must be a bitch
open marsh
*Shrug* I dunno, I guess i'm just a hypocrite.
Fair enough
cursive hull
For the record, this is all assuming I'd end up a Guardsman. If I was a Tech Priest I'd not care.
prime kernel
@open marsh Actually i looked it up. Their are specials groups of kriegsman who use bayonets on them anyways
Because fuck it
thats why
cursive hull
Sounds like using a lungemine with even more likelihood to kill you.
open marsh
Realistically most of us would end up as slave-serfs working in the manufactorums until we eventually die because we passed out from exhaustion and fell into the machinery
cursive hull
...In fairness, given the Kriegers line of thinking, letting you basically detonate a Krak grenade in the face of a target which you may not be able to kill in melee is probably worth it
prime kernel
@open marsh That counts probably for most of this discord.
cursive hull
Also this is true
open marsh
<@!237268583149731840> That counts probably for most of this discord.
Granted I'd be a Guardsman. Because I am ex-military
open marsh
Likely could be a tech adept. I do have published research
cursive hull
Now that I think about it... Weird the Imperium doesn't have a Guard regiment which uses lunge-mines.
Also, I'd be a Tech thrall or servitor, probably.
prime kernel
I would probably be an administratum clerk honestly
Autists tend to be good at having everything neat
cursive hull
I'm just saying, Lunge mines are insanity in our world, but they fit in okay in 40k.
open marsh
Now that I think about it... Weird the Imperium doesn't have a Guard regiment wh...
Some Servitors are best boys. Like Hadron-44 Stroika
cursive hull
This is fair.
prime kernel
It just depends on how the procedure of you being turned into a servitor is done
It is mostly done with anestethic
However the mind wipe can go...
bad
open marsh
Just hope that enough of your mind is left to hold true loyalty. But not enough is left to understand the horror of your new existence
cursive hull
Eeeh. Most Skitarii are also screwed, in fairness.
cursive hull
But Servitors are even more screwed.
prime kernel
give me world of warcraft
cursive hull
Also yes, nobody wants to actually be in 40k, lol.
open marsh
There was one Servitor who actually got most of his mind back. Some of his cranial augmetics got badly damaged and he started to get some semblance of his mind and will back
open marsh
Probably some hentai set in a tropical paradise.
prime kernel
same
cursive hull
Star Trek. Because I could have the above in a holodeck but also enjoy future tech and live in a literal Utopian state that is the Federation.
prime kernel
"utopia "
cursive hull
Compared to the Imperium?
open marsh
Going with the Iseka fad. If I got iseka'd into 40k. I'd probably commit suicide to see if I get a reroll
prime kernel
same
plucky moth
ANY setting to live in?
cursive hull
Presuming you don't get mulched by an invasion, a noble would have it okay, so long as you did the usual thing and sit around in the hive spire all day.
open marsh
Star Trek. Because I could have the above in a holodeck but also enjoy future te...
Eh. Bad shit can still happen to you in Star Trek. Like getting lost in space or getting blown up. Or multiple realities of yourself overlapping and driving you insane
prime kernel
@cursive hull Atleast your safe
prime kernel
@plucky moth Hey man if you like sand being in your unmentionables every day you go enjoy that.
cursive hull
I'm willing to accept the risk of being assimilated by the Borg/killed by random aliens/etc.
Being some dude on Earth or on a core federation world wouldn't be so bad.
prime kernel
NOOOO
plucky moth
TRU
open marsh
Presuming you don't get mulched by an invasion, a noble would have it okay, so l...
Don't forget to actually do your job. There is a growing sect of the Inquistion who are cracking down on metaphorical corruption. Such as a noble not doing his job
plucky moth
anyway I'd just choose the TF2 universe because TF2 australia is lit
prime kernel
You aussie then ?
cursive hull
fair
plucky moth
indeed I am
cursive hull
Being a mega genius with mega muscles would be great.
prime kernel
Yeah then you would luck the f out my dude.
Though they do run out of Australium
You do know that right ?
rotund siren
Australium is not what makes Australia Australia
It is the people of Australia, who make it truly filled with muscular weirdos
/joking btw
prime kernel
Are you though ?
rotund siren
good idea
placid timber
If i wanted to start the eisenhorn series, whats that first read?
serene jungle
I would be living in quiet peace in a very good and fertile landscape up by the mountains
good and balanced seasons
not too many rainy seasons, but just the right amount to grow own food
just live there forever, good setting
primal tide
If i wanted to start the eisenhorn series, whats that first read?
xenos, there are some short stories that chronologically take place beforehand but theyre not important iirc
theres an omnibus with all three too, and another that includes the short stories as well
im not familiar with them tho, as i went the audible route and it didnt have the omnibuses
placid timber
Thanks! @primal tide
stray kestrel
people were discussing the Ad-Mech and how they outlaw new technology, but how its awfully convenient that a bunch of new stuff has turned up recently. I'd like to point out the Ad-mech doesn't actually prohibit new inventions. They just heavily regulate it. If you're not actually in the mechanicus you'll be hit with the tech heresy hammer if you try inventing something, but the Mechanicus themselves have dedicated groups solely for inventing new shit. It just takes a while to be adopted across the imperium.
If nothing else, the sheer scale of infrastructure means new inventions take ages to become more widespread. Repurposing an entire planet to churning out a new design is not a small undertaking.
hell, the Mechanicus has groups dedicated to reverse engineering alien shit. Mesh armour is reverse engineered Eldar tech for example.
plucky moth
huh that's neato 
stray kestrel
theres also repurposing of STC fragments they do find. If I remember rightly, most of the Imperiums tanks are farming equipment. Imperial Knights are literally agricultural walkers, like the loader from Alien but for cutting down trees and plowing fields.
crisp heath
huh that's neato <:comfyyep:814884714254041141>
A good example of what he's talking about is the Land Raider Crusader, a Space Marine heavy troop transport. The Black Templars needed to get their Terminators into an engagement but didn't have enough room for them all in a standard Land Raider. So they made an ad hoc custom job by replacing the lascannon sponsons with new ones that used an array of six bolters firing simultaneously. This let them remove the heavy power system for the lascannons to fit up to twelve Terminators, and up armor the front of the tank as well.
The Techmarines with the chapter (Marines who are trained by the Admech) okayed the design with the Admech, and shared how to recreate it. It took awhile, but the Crusader became a new regularly used pattern of Land Raider.
Regular Land Raider
Crusader Pattern
open marsh
theres also repurposing of STC fragments they do find. If I remember rightly, mo...
Some tanks are farming equipment. Most arent
And Imperial Knights always had the dual role of forest cutters and defense. Because often the planets humans settled on had rather nasty beasties that required the use of Knight-class weaponry to put down
crisp heath
Yeah Knight worlds basically had kaiju problems
stray kestrel
yeah
I've got a setting for a game bouncing around in my head thats basically that
pacific rim meets Evolve
one pretty cool recent in universe invention that probably won't get widespread adoption is a fully automatic stable plasma gun
crisp heath
Then there's Caliban which was basically Monster Hunter by way of Dark Souls
stray kestrel
mostly because it'd kill the flavour of the plasma guns
crisp heath
one pretty cool recent in universe invention that probably won't get widespread ...
That's the Hellblaster assault plasma right?
stray kestrel
I'm rubbish with remembering names, but that'd probably be it
crisp heath
Yeah the Assault Plasma Incinerator
I still figure it probably needs controlled firing to not overheat, but you can still pop out shots quickly
stray kestrel
oh shit, it did get widespread use, awesome
yeah, I figured thered have to be a downside to it, either its firing weaker shots or something. Plasma weapons that don't fucking explode in your hands is great
tbh I can't see any Space Marine chapters actually using normal plasma weapons
like, I know they do
crisp heath
In game stats it's a Strength 6 weapon versus 7 for the regular Plasma Incinerator and 8 for the heavy
Also less damage
But it's an assault weapon so it fires more shots and you can advance and fire it
stray kestrel
I just don't buy that they actually would if the setting was real. That's a centuries long investment in the training of an Astartes, incredibly expensive augments and armour, all being risked for a bigger gun?
Like imagine if one of the big named characters just fucking dies out of nowhere because their sidearm exploded.
crisp heath
I just don't buy that they actually would if the setting was real. That's a cent...
Like Kharn?
No seriously that can happen on tabletop at least
Though generally speaking Marines are way better at utilizing plasma weapons than Guard, if only due to superior training
I'm actually looking forward to Hired Gun and Darktide because they'll show reload animations for plasma weapons, hopefully
You basically unscrew the phial of gas at the back of the gun, then tightly screw in a new one, and hope you did it good enough that you don't spring a leak
I think but don't fully recall that there's a secondary phial you need to reload with as well
stray kestrel
see, if plasma weapons only explode if you fuck up in their operation, that'd be way more understandable that Marines and Mechanicus would use them. If they just detonate randomly I can't see elite factions risking it.
I'm hoping in Darktide they do the weapons all meaty and lore friendly
none of those full auto pissy assault rifle bolters. Gimme a semi auto beast that sounds like someones hitting an anvil with a hammer on every shot. I wanna hear the casing pinging on the plasma weapons as they heat up.
it bothers me immensely when 40k games make Bolters into full auto assault rifles.
they have those, they're called heavy bolters or storm bolters. If the regular bolter can already fire like that theres no reason to use those.
I don't think I've ever seen a 40k game that does the delayed detonation on bolt rounds either
crisp heath
Bolters aren't semi-auto. They have multiple fire selection options
stray kestrel
well yeah, but you know what I mean
crisp heath
They can be but nothing says they're exclusively semi-auto
stray kestrel
they hit hard and slow, and are basically firing penetrating grenades. But most games they're basically just a space AK
very rare do they actually explode
crisp heath
The only games that showed them like that to my recollection were the early DOW games
DOW1 and expansions
stray kestrel
mm
crisp heath
Future games got it right
stray kestrel
Space Marine I think they were just assault rifles
crisp heath
...no? That was literally the defining example of what a bolter should be like in terms of visual and audio presentation.
Why you got this weird idea that bolters have to fire slow
stray kestrel
they can fire fast, its just that when games hav e guns fire fast they don't generally also feel like they're firing 50 cal explosive rounds.
crisp heath
I'm confused because you keep flip flopping between "bolters should only fire slow" to "it's okay they don't fire slow but they don't feel right"
Also remember, GW considers this a canon depiction of bolter fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAHCOOB0808
stray kestrel
oh okay
crisp heath
Two second magdump
stray kestrel
I've had a wrong impression on bolter fire rates
jesus christ the storm bolter must be a fucking laser beam
shit, I'm supposed to be doing work right now
open marsh
I've had a wrong impression on bolter fire rates
To be fair. They have been all over the place. I think their cyclic rate can also depend on the pattern/subpattern/any modifications
Those might just be bolt hoses due to their unique pattern. The Manticore pattern
crisp heath
True enough. But bolters have generally always been select fire weapons except for certain types like storm bolters or stalker bolters
They can achieve varying degrees of BRRRRRRRRT
placid timber
@open marsh it also depends on whatever fucking writer is writing the black library book or whatever game studio feels like making it in their game
Its all over the place
peak hamlet
Yes, its just because of their manticore pattern, normal bolters fire slower and got larger rounds
open marsh
True enough. But bolters have generally always been select fire weapons except f...
yeah. I can only think of 1 pattern that is single shot only. Its a non-Astartes pattern and I think its deemed tech heresy
crisp heath
Yes, its just because of their manticore pattern, normal bolters fire slower and...
Those are the same caliber as regular bolters. The creator of Astartes just actually knows how wide a .75 caliber barrel is.
It's not as wide compared to how old art depicts it
open marsh
^
peak hamlet
He said they use smaller rounds iirc
crisp heath
I'd need the source of that
open marsh
Might have been the .70, .65, or .60 types
placid timber
Lmao the gun with built in subtlety is deemed heresy
crisp heath
Lmao the gun with built in subtlety is deemed heresy
Probably didn't go through proper Admech design protocols
Even Primaris call their wargear "heretek" at times because of how Cawl was like "fuck the police" when designing it
open marsh
pedantic moment: less how it was designed and more that it was rushed into mass production with 0 oversight
placid timber
I just find it funny the one gun that could function as a regular gun and not just be a bullet hose isnt used because its deemed heretical
In a world full of batshit insane firepower
The single shot bolter is heresy
Now thats funny
crisp heath
Welcome to how Admech do things
peak hamlet
I'd need the source of that
Nvm cant find it
crisp heath
A common misconception is that bolts are the size of 40mm grenades. This is because, to be blunt, artists drew bolters with ridiculously oversized barrels for the listed caliber
open marsh
I just find it funny the one gun that could function as a regular gun and not ju...
Because its cheaply and crudely made. Probably due to the association with Bolters to the Astartes, they are seen as holy weapons. Even the lesser patterns. Having such a thrown together weapon would be seen as heretical to them. And to be fair only some of the admech think its heretical
crisp heath
A bolt, translated to mm, is 19mm
peak hamlet
Probably just my dementia striking again lmao
crisp heath
Now that's big but it's not M79 grenade big
open marsh
A common misconception is that bolts are the size of 40mm grenades. This is beca...
And it became a negative feedback loop. models were made based on the art, future art was based on the models. etc
crisp heath
It's about shotgun shell width
crisp heath
There are .50 caliber bolters, mostly used by normal humans
So they don't break their arms firing them
placid timber
Yeeup
crisp heath
Sisters bolters are .60 cal, because they have power armor
open marsh
I assume its a bit bigger than a 50 cal bullet?
An idea of how relatively small .75 is, the .950 JDJ is about 1/2 to 2/3rds as big as the "grenade" looking bolt rounds
peak hamlet
Yeah i get that they shouldn't be that large but in books they state that a bolt hit to the chest removes your upper torso completely whereas in astartes it doesn't. Guess they just use smaller charges to not damage the ship or something
crisp heath
Yeah i get that they shouldn't be that large but in books they state that a bolt...
The muzzle energy and explosion could do that without it being that wide a round
open marsh
crisp heath
For additional context: Heavy bolters use .998 caliber. Closer to the bullet on the right
placid timber
Every artists depiction is always going to be different and i dont expect them to go to gigantic lengths to make it as accurate as possible because the only people youre pleasing at that point are those 40k gamers
placid timber
For me rule of cool works just fine
crisp heath
GW's getting better about depicting things more consistently in art these days
Still runs on rule of cool but also appearing to look the same way twice
Ya feel me?
open marsh
yeh
crisp heath
<@237268583149731840> wait wtf the nitro express is a real gun?
You should see the .950 firing
Note: This is like a single shot heavy bolter
placid timber
Its the best rifle in Hunt Showdown, has a flavor text saying it can kill buffalos in a single shot lmao
crisp heath
Here's an infamous (and hilarious) video of people firing .700 nitro express, completely unprepared for the kick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLxMlL333_Y
No one gets hurt in it, just surprised
Now image that at full auto
You're getting the idea of how a Sister's bolter kicks. And you're not even at Marine sized bolters yet.
peak hamlet
The muzzle energy and explosion could do that without it being that wide a round
Never said they are that wide
crisp heath
Never said they are that wide
I know, just elaborating
cursive hull
In fairness. The Sister has servos in her armor to help her resist that kick.
And Space Marines are... Space Marines.
Does make me wonder about IG bolt pistols though. Wonder what caliber those are. If they're still relatively close to say a Sister's bolter, you'd need some serious strength to repeatedly fire a bolt pistol one handed as Commissars are fond of doing.
(Or an augmented arm like Lord General Castor from Dawn of War 2 Retribution, who can casually fire shotguns and sniper rifles one handed.)
crisp heath
Does make me wonder about IG bolt pistols though. Wonder what caliber those are....
.50 cal. It's like firing a .50 Desert Eagle
cursive hull
Actually that wouldn't be too bad. Sure, it'd be difficult to do for long stretches, but so long as you were prepared for it and trained in its use, that'd be alright. Throw your aim off a bit more than a las pistol but a bolt pistol at least compensates for it by doing more damage.
crisp heath
Actually that wouldn't be too bad. Sure, it'd be difficult to do for long stretc...
We have .50 cal automatic rifles (the size of power armorless human bolters) in real life
cursive hull
I'm aware.
crisp heath
And yeah, it wouldn't be pleasant to shoot without training but I imagine you get used to it
You're most likely not the type to bitch about the recoil by the time you're high up enough to get a bolt pistol
cursive hull
Very likely.
stray kestrel
I'm trying to remember whether las weapons have fake recoil built in to the mechanism to make it feel more like a gun to the wielder, or if some part of how they work actually creates recoil.
cursive hull
They do actually have recoil, but its so minor that you'd not really notice it.
barren tapir
Fuck me, i missed the weapons and calibres discussion
Also remember people, innovation is heresy for the Ad. Mech.
barren tapir
A good example of what he's talking about is the Land Raider Crusader, a Space M...
It is officially stated that its STC was recovered from the depths of an hive city...
barren tapir
one pretty cool recent in universe invention that probably won't get widespread ...
I think i know what you are referring to... But iirc it isn't an invention...
SM bolters can have from the standard .75 calibre, to the .65 and the .60, it depend from the pattern
gusty fulcrum
Here's an infamous (and hilarious) video of people firing *.700* nitro express, ...
saw that one good while ago but still great
crisp heath
Yall never heard of 50. BEOWULF?
molten quest
crisp heath
Hey guys do yall know if GW trademarked Perturabo?
crisp heath
Hey guys do yall know if GW trademarked Perturabo?
Probably. Trying to make a fan film?
Nah just use the name
barren tapir
Yo, what the hell have become the delaque of necromunda??
storm jungle
Yo, what the hell have become the delaque of necromunda??
The Age of Vansaar is now Old man
barren tapir
Indeed, the Van Saar rules!
peak hamlet
I orefer Redemotionists
barren tapir
That is it, i'm signalling you to the enforcers... The redemptionists are outlaw
barren tapir
Sorry, i cannot hear you behind all this enforcers that are coming for you... Oh, and wait a sec, i think that even some bounty hunters wanna join...
barren tapir
The emperor's will is that of his officially sanctioned speakers, redemptionis are just heretics
peak hamlet
Take that back >:c
barren tapir
Burn in holy fire
No flame can touch my flesh... Mostly because i use a full suit, but also because i will never get close with a redemptionist... It is not even their flame weapons the problem, but the stench of heresy that keep me away... And maybe the stench of burned flesh that accompany them idk
smoky mauve
Thought this could go here
https://youtu.be/VchkiTUisu8
crisp heath
Thought this could go here
https://youtu.be/VchkiTUisu8
That's a really good interview, damn.
love me my abnett
smoky mauve
Yeah I was surprised too haha
crisp heath
fuck yes
he said exactly what ive been saying for years now
about how if the grimdark was removed from 40k, it wouldnt be 40k any more
fuck yes
he gets it
"He's a dick" - Dan Abnett on Magnus
hell ye
this is probably the best 40k interview ive seen
HE ASKED THE QUESTION
I want to read Rogal Dorn now!
WHAT
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION
WWWWWWWWWWHAT
oh wait
storm jungle
We posted it WAY above
1 sec
The Emperor is functionally immortal and seems to be all but invulnerable to except but the very highest levels of damage that could be applied by say, the living Avatar of Chaos as is likely to happen at the end of the Siege of Terra. You think the end of the Siege of Terra is bad. You have NO IDEA how horrible and traumatic it is.
We all know mythologically speaking the Emperor ends up on death's door having been seriously damaged in the final confrontation, we know that. And there is a distinct possibility that very much like, I don't know, an incarnation of Doctor Who that he has suffered so grievously from his wounds he would reincarnate perpetual style and come back as the next version; played by a different actor probably; as the different version of the Emperor who would then take over but he thinks the Golden Throne is important to this so allegedly he insists that he is put on the Golden Throne to keep him alive.
There is a vice versa thing there cause he also needs to go back on the Golden Throne to keep the Golden Throne alive so there is that aspect. So it's quite possible. And this adds to the tragedy of trauma and what the Emperor has become is that he's been trapped on the Golden Throne, bounded to it forever because people think they're doing him a favor to save his life but what he's actually is dying and reincarnating over and over and over and over again for 10,000 years just to keep the whole system running. Which is agonizing and horrible. No wonder he's the; you know; the Corpse God on this throne. So yeah, again we're straying into the realms of what actually is the truth. Can't tell you it's a bit of a mystery. But there are certainly enough things about the lore there that we know that we can speculate about the true horror of the situation.
Its definitely something he isnt spilling until the last book
smoky mauve
Yeah I look forward to his readings
coarse mirage
The grimdark gets kinda stupid some times.
cursive hull
I mean
The Emperor is a lynchpin. If he goes for real, the Imperium is probably done for. If it doesn't crack the morale of the people into tiny little pieces, it will cause some serious issues. Heck, if big E is really helping man by fighting in the Empyrean against the Daemons and Chaos Gods, and he goes kaput?
I feel like even if the Emperor could reincarnate, the Imperium won't dare let him on the off chance he can't, won't, or otherwise.
Besides, the optics of "Just unplug the Emperor." are pretty bad.
smoky mauve
Load bearing monarch haha
cursive hull
Just kinda what happens in an Autocracy. If you're the Autocrat, things depend upon you to run smoothly. Even if Emps isn't technically in charge because, you know, he's a dead body on a throne with his soul stuck in it, he's still the figurehead upon which the Imperium revolves around.
crisp heath
Besides, the optics of "Just unplug the Emperor." are pretty bad.
Well the Throne is rigged to explode if he dies, because the alternative is a new Eye of Terror rips open right on top of Terra
Only alternative is to destroy the webway gate he's keeping closed on the Throne before that happens
Lose Terra but some of humanity survives
cursive hull
Wait, back up a bit.
I knew the Throne had a lot of psychic potential in it. Hence why he made it his life support device. It also amped his powers.
But it's also connected to his webway project and could violently detonate?
I admit, I've yet to read all the way through the Horus Heresy, and my knowledge on the Throne itself is pretty poor anyway.
But I did not know that.
crisp heath
But I did *not* know that.
TL;DR version: The Throne is what controls the webway gate the Emperor was using for his Human Webway project. The one Magnus broke letting all the daemons in, which caused the War in the Webway during the Horus Heresy. Emps couldn't get off the Throne to fix it because Russ killed Magnus, who could have sustained it's operation better than any mortal, so by the time it was clear fixing it was impossible he had Vulkan rig it to explode as a final measure to prevent the gate's complete failure.
cursive hull
Okay, so at least half of that I knew. I wasn't aware the Webway gate had gotten that bad.
It makes a little bit of sense, I guess.
crisp heath
Yeah. I think all but 2k Custodes died trying to keep the daemons out
Emps got someone to sit on the Throne long enough to try and go in to fix things but Drach'nyen, a daemonic entity not only on his level but immune to his powers as the Anathema, fought him to a standstill and actually managed to wound him
Drach'nyen would later come back into 40k in the form of Abaddon's sword
cursive hull
So I knew of Drach'nyen as well, but I really didn't know he could hurt Emps.
I knew he was in Abaddon's sword as well, but I wasn't aware he was that powerful.
Makes sense.
Okay, I got it.
crisp heath
He's known as "the Echo of the First Human Murder."
cursive hull
I knew that part too.
But that also sorta makes sense as to why he's powerful.
If he actually is the result of such an event. That'd be pretty significant in the warp.
crisp heath
Sorry if I sound like I'm treating you as a total newb but I'm a stickler for providing context
cursive hull
Its fine.
I watch 40k documentaries more or less for fun.
I'm used to it.
But yeah, thanks.
Clears that bit up I didn't actually know before.
crisp heath
I've more or less spoiled the book Master of Mankind for you, but it's...not a good book. So that may or may not be a positive for you down the line
cursive hull
lol
Not that it matters
I know the general layout of the Horus Heresy well enough.
Its not so much a spoiler since I like listening/reading the books anyway, to know how it was writte.
stray kestrel
Big E reincarnating Dr Who style where the personality is a bit different would be kinda interesting. Its the same being but in another way its a new man walking off in his body.
vast frigate
Fugn, big e going shoping with roboute, getting vulkan a new hammer, dorn a new trowel and going to see architecture with him
small heart
So, Im not deep into the lore of 40k but would nurgle be the ultimate god period full stop? Because if Slaanesh or khornes troops die dont they become nurgles.... and lets say khorne dies would that turn him into a nurgle minion?
peak hamlet
Uhh no
primal tide
True death doesn't really exist for warp beings, except in exceedingly rare cases
And, if you think about it... if things worked that way, wouldn't it have already happened by now?
small heart
well if its exceedingly rare case then im sure nothing like that had happened yet. However, Like i said im not super deep in the lore I know things here and there. Just thought it would cause a Nurgle Paradox or something of the sort. Even considering it being exceedingly rare.. he could just wait. Also another paradox that idk if its been explained is... What happens if Nurgle dies in one of the rare cases? Does he just becomes reborn? Or does it cause a collapse?
peak hamlet
I don't thing chaos gods can die
primal tide
They functionally can't, they're too massive to manifest
All cases I know of, of a true death for warp beings, happens in real space
small heart
okay
vast frigate
So
the death of a warp being means that its influence source needs to be cut off
for daemons that means they have to be killed by a weapon that CAN actually slay demonic energy or they have to, in the materium, have their true name spoken against them or carved into something they own, be it body or item
Now, for a chaos god to die it means that that very part of the warp will be completely shut and fucked off
small heart
Now, for a chaos god to die it means that that very part of the warp will be com...
" shut and fucked off" so Slaanesh
vast frigate
since we know the warp is only part of our localized Galaxy, which is just part of many Galaxies in the Universe
small heart
Kidding. But thank you for the info about that in all seriousness.
vast frigate
np
Killing a chaos god means that we either; nuke the warp
which is a way of saying: we sever connection complete
currently the wall of reality separates us, it didnt used to be that way, the eldar and necron shut the warp off
The only way plausible to kill the gods or a God, is to starve them of energy, which is hard considering how many people need to be in line for that
or for us to stop any form of connection to the warp. But that will make humanity a sub-lightspeed civilisation again
The webway would collapse
small heart
makes sense
but i mean technically if we do that to nurgle lets just use as a hypothetical. Would nurgle actually die? because being the Chaos God of disease, decay, despair, death and destruction.. wouldnt the staving of energy actually help him because he himself would be decaying/dying?
i know this is borderline theorycraft but i just wanted to know if the lore explains what would happen in that case. Or where i could find the weird circumstance of that happening. For the reason i brought up is why nurgle seems like an interesting paradox of a chaos god like would staving him or killing him actually hurt him seeing as he feeds off of that.
primal tide
I'd picture it more of him evaporating than decaying
Or just disappearing, like in back to the future
small heart
okay
stray kestrel
they're emotional energy reflected in the warp, that coalesces into a sentient being when theres enough of it
so if you somehow stopped the entire galaxy from feeling fear of death, disease etc, nurgle could dissipate
but as soon as that became a thing again, he'd reform
the warp is a lot more violent and chaotic than its supposed to be though
the war in heaven really fucked things up
vast frigate
the war in heaven didn't contribute as much as people say it did
it did its work but by far the years following that just kept building on the foundation it layed
gaunt vector
is it just me or does the chaos sorcerer look more like a crusade era TS than a modern TS?
Also I did not realise that the Beast Snaggas are an anti heavy/ presumably character unit
gaunt vector
so could I 
visual pumice
Such is the way
coarse mirage
Did any other gods than Chaos actually give out blessings and have avatars and the like in the fantasy setting?
Before End Times
atomic pelican
plucky moth
the lady gives blessings
cerulean wagon
All gods do
Any priest of a given god can bring about miracles and blessings of their specific god
It's said the most faithful of Ullric can even bring forth his white wolves
cursive hull
Ze Lady is probably the most active
And yeah, Ullric can do that kinda thing do.
Its a lot rarer pre end times, but yeah, most of the other pantheons did grant blessings.
serene jungle
Myrmidia tends to go hand-in-hand with Morr when it comes to the slaying of undeads so
Blackguard of Morr for Saltzpyre and a Knight of the Blazing Sun for Sienna?
pogork
median sundial
So Cadians have glowing purple eyes? Is it all the time or does it only happen in dark areas, or is it just faint enough to not show up in well lit places.
?
Further more, what other odd little features do other Guard regiments have?
cloud kindle
ratlings are hobbits
median sundial
I meant more so the normal humans. Like do the Kreigers wear gas masks because they can't breath the air the other regiments breath or something of the sort?
cursive hull
No. Given their gas mask's model and inspiration, they're for poison gas and other toxins.
They wear masks because Krieg itself is a nuclear hell hole
median sundial
Oh.
cursive hull
They just are used to it by that point.
Its the Krieg ideals that make them neat.
All risk is acceptable risk so long as you get the job done.
Hence why Krieg regiments suffer heavy casualties
median sundial
Oh
cursive hull
They aren't suicidal, they're just determined beyond any sane capacity.
median sundial
So Cadia's just the only one with the weird minor mutation?
With the normal human soldiers I mean.
cursive hull
No, there are others, but I was just speaking of Krieg
median sundial
What do the others have then?
cursive hull
Well, there are the Felinids. Although they don't really count because they don't have their own IG regiments... Yet.
I do think they have their own PDF>
...Again, I think.
Cat like abhumans.
We've not really been given a clear idea how feline they are.
median sundial
I remember seeing a piece of art that represented a felinid looking something like a guy with a cat head.
cursive hull
I don't believe we have official art.
Anyway, I don't have an amazing amount of minor detail knowledge, so someone else will have to answer your question.
cloud kindle
i mean krieg also has access to clone tech
cursive hull
Not that I'm aware.
That is a theory, but it isn't explicity stated.
They have Vitae wombs, but we've not been told what that is or what it does.
Some say its basically just a fertility booster, others say its cloning, others still say its something else entirely.
My own theory is the fertility booster concept.
Humanity is so vast and mind bogglingly huge in 40k the Imperium legit doesn't need cloning of industrialized birthing processes for normal citizens and guardsmen and women.
Sure, they lose millions in some battles, but there are untold billions spread out across the galaxy, so losing a couple mil regularly isn't a big deal logistically.
crisp heath
I got the vibe from that one short story with the genestealer that they knew they were vat grown
Has there ever been a female kreiger mentioned?
cursive hull
No idea.
But I'm sure they exist.
They may well indeed be vat growing some Kriegers. But I also doubt it that all Kriegers are vat grown.
The Imperium's tech is universally too shitty to mass produce humans, and it'd be unbelievably expensive for the Imperium to do it on such a mass scale.
Especially when the population can and will expand rapidly regardless.
Only people with access to the best vat grow tech is the Ad Mech, who typically use it for their own purposes.
(Read: So two cyborgs can have babies, and or so they can just grow bodies to turn into servitors. Although I'd think they too would be in minority compared to criminals who got brain wiped and turned into servitors.)
That first reason for the Ad Mech is canon, I believe. Its mentioned in one of the Ad Mech books I think.
crisp heath
Has there ever been a female kreiger mentioned?
If there are no one can tell under the masks and trenchcoats
burnt python
by canon? I don't think so
by the internet? a possibly concerning number of times
cursive hull
Also yeah, that too.
Its genuinely hard to tell who is who under a gas mask and great coat.
barren tapir
Myrmidia supposedly also
Not supposedly, Templars of Myrmidia regularly receive blessing from her...
barren tapir
So Cadians have glowing purple eyes? Is it all the time or does it only happen i...
IDK if you have a source that i don't know, but Cadians don't have glowing eyes... They have purple iris though... And funny enough the imperium killed the original cadians because they had those purple eyes and thought it was an indication of chaos corruption... Then the new colonist developed the same eyes after some generations...
barren tapir
Further more, what other odd little features do other Guard regiments have?
Many regiments have some quirk that make them more unique, like let take one of my favourite regiments, the Tanith First and Only, the tanith personnel have a superior sense of direction and orientation, that is because of of their peculiar (now lost sadly) homeworld
cursive hull
To my knowledge, yeah, most Imperial regiments tend to not have... Physical quirks like the Cadians.
More doctrine or mental quirks. (Read: Kriegers not minding grinding and soul crushing trench warfare as much as most mortals.)
Then we have the Savlar Chem dogs...
Long story short. Most if not all of them are running some hellish mixture of combat drugs and stimulants. They also tend to steal literally everything not nailed down for their own use.
stray kestrel
It irks me that cadians never actually get depicted with their glowing anime eyes. Cadians are the imperial guard in most games and whatnot and they're always missing the eyes.
barren tapir
Do you really go around looking at the eyes of the characters you meet in videogames? Because that is the level of attention to details that would be needed to see if the cadians got their purple eyes, as they don't glow in the dark
And TBH not even all cadians have purple eyes...
barren tapir
Shut up nerd
storm jungle
barren tapir
No one disrespect knowledge during my watch!
cerulean wagon
ye cadians have purple eyes, they dont glow they are just very aggressivley purple
like how ice blue eyes can look weird
other then that guardare just humans
its not physical quirks, its regimental doctrines
stray kestrel
the biggest physical quirk in people other than abhumans is voidborn, who by their nature don't get conscripted into the guard because they're not from a planet
a voidborn regiment would be weird though, they look really unsettling
my Only War regiment was from an underground planet with super low light, so we all looked like Riddick
cursive hull
Voidborn have it tough in the Imperium tbh.
Everyone is superstitious and uneducated, so even so much as leaving your ship for literally any reason (Presuming your fragile lanky ass doesn't collapse the second you are exposed to a gravity higher than you're used to.) may get you made for a mutant (even though your form is considered legal by Imperial standards) and be killed by a mob.
And the Arbites/Arbitrators will probably be in the ones leading the mob too, despite damn well being in the position to know you're totally a legal being.
(And also not a mutant. Voidborn are just like that.)
Although, I find the plight of Psykers sometimes more sad.
Get unlucky enough to have magic powers? People show up, jam a spike in your head and drag you off to a big ship where you can't sleep or focus for five seconds and you get to sit in a cell on said ship for months or possibly years. Probably get juiced and fed to a skeleton in a big chair because of an ancient artifice you aren't even allowed to understand.
If you survive? People will absolutely shoot you if anything weird happens even if its not your fault, daemons want to eat you, and if you happen to be unlucky using your own magic powers, you get turned into a living bomb which explodes into a portal to hell and that's if you're really lucky.
cerulean wagon
oh 100% its aweful
its also super interesting
i love settings where the magic equivilant isnt just free power
thered a price to pay, and in this case its a hefty one
cursive hull
Oh, I agree. I love Psykers and how they function, as well as Warhammer Fantasy's take on the winds of magic.
Free magic is boring, it makes magical characters powerful for no reason and doesn't give anyone any stakes should they screw up.
It gives a counterbalance to the obscene powers some Psykers can possess, given they can and very likely will get possessed should they so much as let their concentration slip for even a nanosecond.
cerulean wagon
yup
cursive hull
(And or, again, explode into a hell portal.)
cerulean wagon
Like
In he campaign i ran for Only War, our psyker rolled psychic phenomenon for backstory bits
got his entire squad possessed
cursive hull
Yikers
cerulean wagon
played nicely into why he got atached to a commissars retinue
cursive hull
Yeeeah. Getting stuck with the guy given carte blanch to shoot anyone he wants even if they don't have psychic powers is a bad time.
Literally just the 40k universe, everybody.
dim totem
Lel thats a good book cover
median sundial
Do Space Marines ever joke around with eachother or look forward to battle and glory? I've seen it happen in 2, maybe 3 pieces of 40k media where they tease eachother. I know they're supposed to be big silent sods most of the time but they are still humans, there's bound to be a funny bone in that battle armor right?
eternal ledge
I don't remember which Horus Heresy book it was in, but Vulkan was going on about how he detests Rad weapons because they are too painful and Motarian just goes "Bro your whole Legion specializes in weapons that burn people alive"
barren tapir
Do Space Marines ever joke around with eachother or look forward to battle and g...
Indeed they do, but like many things depend on the chapter, some will be grim and fatalistic, while others will laugh and make pranks
storm jungle
^
In the end official chapters aside they are Your Dudes, you can make them as human as you wish as long as they dont deviate from their purpose of well... being Marines in Spess
barren tapir
The empeoror's spears (iirc their name) have a way to remember their fallen that is quite hilarious
eternal ledge
All my friends joke that my orange color scheme makes my guys hazmat marines
So I included in my lore that they specialize in fighting in extremely hazardous environments
stray kestrel
my custom chapter are gourmands
they cook really really well
big feasts and celebrations for fallen brothers
stray kestrel
they also eat Orks and Eldar. I decided they were one of the few chapters that still have functional whatever the organ is that lets them pick up instinctual knowledge from eating creatures brains
didn't want them being too noblebright
so they're cannibal cooks
eternal ledge
Well... that escalated quickly
crisp heath
Guise i wanna make a homebrew chapter
primal tide
Dew it
eternal ledge
Homebrew is best brew
crisp heath
Ok ok IM GONNA DO A CHAPTER OF CHAOS BOYS
theyre
A renegade blood angels successor chapter
And uhhh
Theyre like
Aristocratic Vampires kinda
Bathory Vibes
I just want an excuse to use the aos vampire heads
crisp heath
i know but i expanded upon it in my head
They were cursed founding and got lost in the warp literally on their first journey
until the 41st
open marsh
The Angels Vermillion catch too much flak. They just work with their flaws. Only time they have gone assholish was when they threatened to tell the Inquisition of the gene flaws. Because the Blood Angels were giving them shit and wouldnt back off
And considering that the Red Thirst seems to have been more of a feature than a flaw. Its likely that they are doing exactly what the Emperor intended for them to do
median sundial
How does a Successor Chapter get formed. Is it the result of certain members decided to specialize in something else while also following their chapter’s culture, is it a loop hole the Astartes use to have more members per chapter, or does it just sorta happen by accident?
crisp heath
never really thought about that
but my dudes
The uh....
The
The Sanguine Monarchs
They lost their minds in the warp COMPLETELY, and when they got out they decided to go back to their home planet
and they take over the planet and generally act insane with how harsh of a rule they take
a small contingent of Night Lords kinda act as knights for the few Monarchs left, exchanging their services for the Monarch's access to great resources from their planet
open marsh
How does a Successor Chapter get formed. Is it the result of certain members dec...
Normally they petition the High Lords. Who have to consider the motion and if approved set about requisitioning the appropriate records, geneseed, wargear, etc.
Unless you are the Dark Angels who make chapters without telling anyone and bank on the Imperium just believing they lost the records and roll with it
median sundial
So it depends which Chapter we’re talking about and Imperial Bureaucracy, is that it?.
open marsh
Well, legions. Generally, post-1st founding chapters are not allowed to make successors. Tho there is the rare exception. Like the Astral Claws and Executioners
cursive hull
In fairness, the Dark Angels have been effectively legion building for so long partially because the Imperium just needs the Dark Angel's that bad, given the Dark Angel's got all of the cool wargear for the Great Crusade and just never gave it back.
Read: every relationship in the Imperium is an unhealthy relationship.
open marsh
Yeah the Dark Angels are still a legion. They just form new "chapter" for specific purposes. Tho for them its less truly a new chapter and more just a specialized unit
cursive hull
Pretty much
stray kestrel
the imperium itself will "commission" new successor chapters sometimes too. If an area needs astartes prescence and is lacking.
such as if an existing chapter suffers enough losses to no longer sustain itself or goes on an idiot suicide crusade
cursive hull
In fairness
They often get ordered by the Imperium to go on an idiot suicide crusade.
Read: Sent on pentient Crusade for something that likely isn't their fault.
Read: Read: The Lamenters.
stray kestrel
"My Dudes" are the remnants of one of those
I got to thinking what they'd do if they didn't just throw their lives away after being essentially told to go kill themselves
cursive hull
shrug
I'm stupid and not creative, so anyone who can come up with their own chapter/sub faction for table top is probably more intelligent than me.
stray kestrel
I took the Astral Knights, who are that chapter that took down a Necron death star, and decided that the remains of them, instead of just committing die, changed tactics and now operate more like reasonable marines. I never played the actual wargame, but if I was going to run them, I'd probably run them as an imperial guard regiment with the marine models acting as sergeants or other officers. They go around picking up abandoned regiments and various other forces that fall through the gaps and try to do what good they can on their crusade.
Since they're essentially written off as dead they can do more or less whatever they want with no oversight.
cerulean wagon
If you wanna do something like that you can run guard regiments with attatched allied forces
so you could run small teams of marines to bolster the infantry
stray kestrel
I think theres so few of them that they couldn't really field marine squads, which is why I got to thinking they'd be officers for guard units. But if you could field allied forces that consist solely of units like dreadnoughts that'd be neat, cause I think all the Knights dreadnoughts would have survived.
cursive hull
I find the concept of reasonable marines a bit silly, tbh.
Astartes doctrine isn't often that bonkers.
Stares at Raven Guard
stray kestrel
nearly the entire Astral Knights chapter died in the assault on the Necron death star
cursive hull
Can't you take Marine squads in the minimum of five?
stray kestrel
10 guys could quite honestly be the entire remains. They sent everyone that could physically get there to that fight
cerulean wagon
You can ye carro
stray kestrel
It'd be like, the one guy who was stationed with Deathwatch. Some dreads. Maybe some of a scout company and any non scout marines who were attached.
ah, the wiki page has an exact number of survivors somehow
30 dudes and 1 dreadnought
cursive hull
Eh, sounds like enough to bolster a guard force.
three squads of ten or six squads of five, a dreadnought, call it good for the marines.
...Wait, no.
You'll need an HQ
stray kestrel
I don't plan on actually playing the wargame anytime soon
cursive hull
Or, you'd need one*
Caught myself too late.
Anywho, I guess it makes sense.
As far as I see it, in reality, someone wearing power armor would act like mobile cover with a heavy weapon, clearing HMG and other heavy weapon positions so infantry can exploit the opening.
Like that one scene from that one Sodaz animation.
https://youtu.be/1mNX1pPXrTg?t=269 This one
cerulean wagon
if he's fielding guard main itd need to be guard HQ anyway
cursive hull
True
Also, frankly, doesn't the Codex Astartes basically advocate for tactics like that?
Tac Marines drawing fire away from vulnerable or valuable targets so they can do their jobs?
At least, Dawn of War 2 has a throw away quote which says the Codex says something like that.
Actually, do we have any idea at all what actually makes up the Codex Astartes?
Nevermind, asking a stupid question
Yes we do.
cerulean wagon
lol
cursive hull
I sometimes ponder things, and then suddenly realize that, fucking of course one of the most important documents in the whole setting is going to be detailed.
cursive hull
Eeeh
I dunno
After all the jokes about the Uplifting Primer, it can't really be any other way.
cursive hull
Shrug
stray kestrel
My Astral Knights remnants would probably still be following the codex because I'm sure the codex has sections on everything. They'd just be shifting from "send literally the entire chapter on a suicide mission" to "if we're all dead the crusade ends, our goal is to do the maximum amount of good in defence of the imperium, with our small numbers, averting losses is now our highest priority" So they'd be much more heavily focused on guerilla tactics and mixed forces.
They can't get new Marines, but they can replenish marine losses by giving the power armour of fallen brothers to one of the unspecified number of neophytes that survived.
cursive hull
No, its not.
stray kestrel
are neophytes post surgery?
cerulean wagon
pretty sure becoming a marine from a neophyte requires surgery
stray kestrel
oh
never mind then, they have to work even harder to avoid marine losses
I thought you had the surgery then were made a neophyte for however long, cause you have to serve as a scout for ages before you get the proper power armour
cursive hull
The issue with the Codex is mostly organization and whether you follow it like a holy book or not.
Most "Non codex compliant" Chapters just disagree with it organizationally.
Its that final step btw that keeps scouts out of power armor.
Once the Scouts go through the final stage, they either choose to stay scouts and become sergeants or move on and get the last surgery and become full Battle Brothers.
stray kestrel
they could probably perform the surgery tbh
cursive hull
Not without an Apothecary they can't.
If they have an Apothecary, they probably can. Although a Tech Marine would also be required to perform proper maintenance on the Dreadnought. I suppose a Tech Priest Enginseer could do in a pinch but it'd be unusual.
Considering there's an Apothecary in each company and the Apothecary is also stupidly important to a Chapter's existence, one surviving makes sense.
stray kestrel
I'd say its probably reasonable that among the 30 initial marine survivors they had an apothecary among them
cursive hull
Then yeah.
It'd be rough without a full medical lab and a ship of their own, but so long as they had an Apothecary and the tools and resources on hand, even if they had to bum with normal humans, they could probably do it.
stray kestrel
they do have a ship of their own. Their replacement chapter gave them one of their own ships and told them to go crusade.
cursive hull
Ah
Then yeah, with a battlebarge, they'd be mostly okay.
Chapters have come back from worse.
stray kestrel
haha
cursive hull
(Well, really, any ship. It'd be easier with a Battle barge, but even the smaller ships, even a frigate, would be useful.)
stray kestrel
the idea of a small army of mismatched guard and marine forces that technically doesn't exist is cool to me. Since all their guard rescues are regiments that are written off as lost. Too noblebright for the setting but they're my dudes and I'm never gonna actually run them anyway.
cursive hull
Eh. Its not that absurd for Guard to hang out with Marines, at least for a short time.
But long term, that doesn't quite have any precedent, that I know of.
stray kestrel
operating like that is strictly prohibited in fact, part of the codex to prevent heresy from being too powerful
cursive hull
Well yeah, but I meant short term as in like...
"Our Regiment and transports got destroyed, can we hitch a ride?" kind of thing.
I think that happens but doesn't get mentioned often.
You are correct long term though.
...Thanks Astral Claws.
Laments internally
stray kestrel
fucking heretics ruining everything
frigid mesa
hello good citizens
gaunt vector
hello
crisp heath
hey!
cerulean wagon
henlo
azure vault
Howdy
median sundial
Do Hive Cities have weather within them? Like are they so huge that they have rain clouds floating at the very ceilings of the Hive?
primal tide
Think i saw on the lexicanum page that some parts can indeed have their own weather
smoky mauve
Probabaly microclimates and such
peak hamlet
Whats the question
crisp heath
it's not a question
i gotta show em a picture i got commissioned and they tell me if they see anything wrong with it
peak hamlet
Post it 👀
crisp heath
It's the rough pencils, its not done! 😠
peak hamlet
Oh than dm me it
vagrant osprey
Do Hive Cities have weather within them? Like are they so huge that they have ra...
Weather is a function of environmental gradients, most commonly humidity and temperature. Hives would have microclimates that vary wildly, but I would expect them to be locally-stable. Places near forges or magma would be hot, places near coolant lines would be cool and tend to collect water, etc...
It's possible for there to be bog-like biomes in the lower areas of the hive, where the older machinery is and maintenance crews are more likely to be killed by gangs out to scavenge parts.
I mean, it's not like a sump just happens. Pumps aren't lost technology, so the only real reason for areas to start flooding with sludge is that it's no longer worth the cost of sending people down to make sure the area stays clean.
coarse mirage
Weather is a function of environmental gradients, most commonly humidity and tem...
You seem to know your weather
vagrant osprey
Thanks!
open marsh
@vagrant ospreyDon't forget that there is an artificial forest in the underhive. Made long ago by earlier hivers to cultivate food and suppliment oxygen production. Given that the forest still exists, even tho the only people residing in it anymore are hive gangers who I doubt know how to maintain such a forest, its likely that section of the Underhive has some sort of developed weather pattern, allowing the forest to survive
vagrant osprey
Which hive?
I was talking about hives in general, not any specific one.
Most trees can survive on sunlamps and dripping water, so that technically doesn't mean weather.
But I would expect any kind of forest we would recognize to have some sort of weather.
odd sparrow
That's a necromunda thing iirc
I do question how it works tbh. Maybe weird alien trees that don't requite sunlight idk
rotund siren
Mushroom trees
potent swift
Sufficiently large aircraft hangars and caves can have their own miniature weather systems so a Hive having district unique weather isn't that hard to believe
rotund siren
That’s fair. But I still like my mushroom trees idea
potent swift
Mushroom trees are great but the idea of some kind of temperate rainforest nourished by arcane neon lighting and air conditioner runoff amuses me.
coarse mirage
photosynthesis through other means
crisp heath
Yo I'm not gonna lie
I'm absolutely LOVING this Lord of the Night book by Si Spurrier
This dude makes the squad from the trilogy look like fucking hamsters
He's just pure fuckin' evil.
crisp heath
I do question how it works tbh. Maybe weird alien trees that don't requite sunli...
There's a massive cave network in (I think) Vietnam that's growing a rainforest inside of it
If there's enough space to accrue moisture life can be crazy adaptable. Especially if it was something engineered to exist indoors to begin with
odd sparrow
based
storm jungle
Its from 2010, oof
crisp heath
Every 40k writer says a similar kinda thing.
(That’s probably the worst way I’ve heard it said though :kekw:)
storm jungle
Yeah the more blunt version is that nothing in 40k is concrete and GW can do whatever they want with the lore. They care less about the opinions of fans and more so on how much of a profit they can make by pushing out models tied to the narrative
Same goes for novels too, for example Mortis reveals Big E burned down the tower of babel. You can pretty much insert anything you want as long as you are a BL author lol
crisp heath
Okay thats the worst version ive heard
crisp heath
Not even close
storm jungle
Primaris had no reason to exist
But GW wanted updated marines
And they just popped into existence
So yeah, it is
gusty fulcrum
I mean they made warhammer kids...
crisp heath
You really think a shared universe written by like 100+ writers shouldnt have a single inconsistency
storm jungle
It doesnt tho 
The most solid events are the Horus Heresy and some minor campaigns
everything else is just handwaved
gusty fulcrum
Ud say aloota the big novels series that havnt been to hardly contradicted still stand pretty solid for now at least
crisp heath
I see 0 flaws
storm jungle
storm jungle
Ud say aloota the big novels series that havnt been to hardly contradicted still...
Yeah everything can contradict each other but most authors do a good job of avoiding those pitfalls
But they still have their own takes here and there
Theres a reason fans refer to Dan Abnett's books as taking place in the "Abnettverse" for example. Its weird.
gusty fulcrum
Well there was that video i posted of him pointing out the do have a guy that basicly tells them whats essentailly connon or not when they hash out a new book
Though it sounds more more guidline of what they can and cant do essentially
storm jungle
Yeah basically
Just a matter of not touching larger events but otherwise being given free reign
gusty fulcrum
So i guess in that sense thats how the keep some consistency goin on in teh broader universe setting
storm jungle
Yeeee
gusty fulcrum
And i think thats why them saying its writtin in universe makes more sense too
CUz its not like each dude in teh story knows everythin
CUz its kinda what aloows for all teh incositncy cuz oof Imperial Record keeping sucking mad balls
Since most books are written from an imperium viewpoint/angle
But they dotn have the same cover story for any inconsistency in xeno oriented tales
Like teh elder books as an example but im less familair with those so i dont know how incosistent xeno lore and sotries are
storm jungle
nah xeno lore is a bit more consistent
the Imperial ones are confusing because the empire itself is just so vast
gusty fulcrum
All i know is orkz have stayed pretty consistent and if anythign slightly nerfed
storm jungle
so the contradictory stuff can be at least explained easily
gusty fulcrum
Ya the number one explanation is basicly imperial censorship and record keeping
the even tend to put those in the pre chapters or intro bits of alotta novels
as essentially as WARNING: shits bout to get confusing and not add up all teh time
THe most obvious example is teh forewarding in alotta the early horus heresy books about how its essentially a theatricle retelling fo events
So were reading a theater play bascily
Or like in commissar cain were bascily just reading his edditted personal musings
primal tide
I think this is the best piece of writing I've read from gav
storm jungle
LEL
plucky moth
Tbh 40k is for nerds
barren tapir
Only a nerd would have the knowledge necessary to make such statement
And only nerds may have the interest in the lore of 40K
gaunt vector
Tbh 40k is for nerds
fair enough
rotund siren
but you could still be both
serene jungle
he's saying that he has a whale sized peepee
or that he is one
I just want to see what the lore tidbits we'll get for Darktide will be, not the blogposts mind you, but the in-game banter about the world
peak hamlet
Tbh 40k is for nerds
It sure is
plucky moth
that's me every day
coarse mirage
Pulling wedgies to put nerds in their place
serene jungle
a reverse world where all the geeks are hyper swole
"YOU CAN'T EVEN DO BASIC ARITHMETIC AND YOU CAN'T EVEN DO BASIC TRIGONOMETRY?"
wedgies
coarse tree
Servitors might be one of the most horrifying things in 40k. And that's saying a lot
final spruce
Its not a great fate yes
crisp heath
yall
what ams the black library (in the canon)
forbidden library
but its in the webway?
and the harlequins protect it?
potent swift
It's basically all the accumulated knowledge the Eldar have concerning Chaos
potent swift
Probably not but also sorta? Like, it's not just Eldar written stuff that goes in there, it's everything the Eldar can find about Chaos including stuff written by other species
Hell, I'm pretty sure there's some of Magnus' stuff sitting in one of it's shelves
What I'm saying is, the Emperor has never set foot in the Black Library but it's possible things that he might have read could have ended up in it
potent swift
It pre-dates the Heresy
coarse mirage
what ams the black library (in the canon)
It's like the library of Alexandria, run by Eldar, a vast repository of knowledge on everything and everyone.
There was that one guy who stole the map of the webway from the Black Library
cursive hull
I know TTS may be screwing with me.
But doesn't Cegorach actually guard the Library? And its not just a joke from TTS?
potent swift
I think they built it but I'm not sure how involved they are in actually protecting it.
coarse mirage
I think the Harlequins protect it
cursive hull
That makes sense
coarse mirage
Theyre keen on the knowledge not getting taken
Ahriman wants it badly
To reverse the rubric curse
cursive hull
...Does make me wonder if the Harlequins have their own section of joke books.
And that's just it.
The Harlequins have a good sense of humor.
And Ahriman is the biggest joke in the universe.
No way they'd let him waltz in without a few japes and jests.
coarse mirage
They do enjoy fucking with Ahriman