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#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
Yeah the format looks the same
id be real sad if it went down, its like the best 40k meme source there is
crisp heath
Ye
damn bros
the carcharadons are raven guard successors that for some reason added night lords genes in em
That sounds like an awful idea
barren tapir
What make you say that they are raven guard successor?
crisp heath
there's a lot that says theyre raven successors seems like
two books straight up say they are
and in the rules theyre listed as raven guard successors
rotund siren
Birds and Sharks are different animals!
Hmm yes, just generic birds here in the Raven Guard
storm jungle
they got wings shut up
rotund siren
they got wings shut up
hmm
barren tapir
Well, that seems to solve all then... Although it is the first time i heard this
barren tapir
Eh, i don't know how much neato tbh
crisp heath
yeah it seems like the common opinion is "no one knows" but there's official stuff that straight up says they're raven guard
(successors)
that somehow added night lords juice into them
open marsh
the carcharadons are raven guard successors that for some reason added night lor...
They are Night Lords. They have a small stock of RG geneseed that they dont use. They just send it in for their gene tithes. Or trade it for war material to the Ashen Claws (who are Raven Guard)
novel fulcrum
Aren’t the Carcharodons chimeric, with a mix of RG, NL, and WE geneseed?
rotund siren
wait. you mean to tell me you're not a screaming Tau office worker?
open marsh
Aren’t the Carcharodons chimeric, with a mix of RG, NL, and WE geneseed?
No
People think "WE" because they're brutal in melee. Completely forgetting that the Night Lords are too
And people think chimeric because....well there really isnt a reason. People just throw "chimeric" towards any traitor legion successors because I guess they dont like the idea of a traitor legion successor just having traitor legion geneseed
crisp heath
the chimeric thing comes from the two black library books that state that they're chimeric, i thought
open marsh
Some of the final nails in the coffin comes from some Night Lords who were fighting the Carcharadons (over the same recruiting grounds. because they have the same recruiting methods)
open marsh
the chimeric thing comes from the two black library books that state that they'r...
Nope. Nothing states they are chimeric
These Loyalists were different from the ones he’d outwitted in the past. None of his Claw leaders reported having ever encountered them before. Even Shadraith was seemingly without answers, practically abandoned by his pathetic daemonic patron. Their fighting style was not one Cull recognised. If anything, it seemed eerily like the Night Lords’ own doctrines.
The Night Lords were caught off guard that any loyalist actually fought like them
And the Carcharacadons knew exactly how the Night Lords fought (since that was their style as well)
Twice Cull had watched in silent fury as Loyalist squads had refused to take the bait and follow up on retreating cultist squads that would have led them into carefully laid ambushes. And on the single occasion where the Night Lords had gained the upper hand – where Artar’s Fourth Claw had managed to split and outflank a Loyalist squad that had pushed too far ahead of the support in the tunnels either side – the corpse-worshippers had broken from combat and disengaged.
rotund siren
that is cool
crisp heath
sweet
open marsh
Then a daemon the Night Lords were working with directly calls the Carcharadons the "lost brothers" of the Night Lords
open marsh
‘Others?’
The Hunters in the Void. Your lost brothers.
‘That means nothing to me. Do not speak in your senseless riddles, daemon.’
The Pale Nomad and the rest of his mongrel, exiled kin. You have seen him with your foresight. You will know them when he arrives. Find the boy before he does.```Yeh
open marsh
On the subject of their geneseed. The corpse of a "Carcharadon" was found abandoned (suspicious, if you know how the Carcharadons work) and it was tested and found to have what was most likely "Raven Guard" geneseed. But then, in a Carcharadon's book. It was shown they dont actually use that geneseed besides for sending in as tithes and trading for gear. Leaning to them having left that corpse as a decoy
Even the Ashen Claws, a rogue successor chapter/warband of Raven Guard call them "traitor-born"
‘Sit down, Brother Tanthius,’ snapped a voice. The command did not come from Nev, but from the human woman sitting beside him. She glared at the Space Marine who had risen. The Ashen Claw glanced at his Chapter Master, but Nev’s black eyes hadn’t left Sharr’s. After a moment, Tanthius retrieved his seat.```When mentioning they were trading RG geneseed, they call it "your" genetic legacy (speaking to the Ashen Claws), not "our" genetic legacy. The Ashen Claws also ask if it was actually RG geneseed, and not whatever geneseed the Carcharadons use
‘You have not contaminated it with your disgusting breed?’ Nev demanded.```OooooOOHHH
so you're sayin they pretend to be raven guard so no one's like "dude why are we letting night lords just chill with us?"
open marsh
Yep
crisp heath
kind of fucking awesome
open marsh
Only the Ashen Claws seem aware of this. Tho as the Ashen Claws are considered renegade (even if they are still loyal) the Carcharodons arent worried if they try to rat them out
barren tapir
Very NL thing to do
crisp heath
Carcharadons are kinda SICK!!!
omg
I gotta read dis
aight so all i gotta do is read
Master of Mankind, Lord of the Night, Blackstone Fortress: Ascension, and then I can read the Carchar books!\
SHARK SCREAM
open marsh
Night Lords vs Carcharodons. So Traitor Night Lords vs Loyalist Night Lords.
open summit
I'm very willing to say that the Carcharodons are actually descended from one of the purged primarchs, purely because their signature mutations are unique (despite similarities to other chapters) and their aesthetic does not match that of any of the other legions (they follow what strikes me as a pacific islander theme).
open marsh
They have too many similarities to the Night Lords to not be Night Lords. And that daemon points out they are Night Lords.
hallow apex
Daemons lie.
On the other hand, the purged Primarch gene-sons were dispersed through the XIII and the VII.
And I think one more legion received them.
crisp heath
I'm very willing to say that the Carcharodons are actually descended from one of...
No that's Soul Drinkers
Soul Drinkers are from a Lost Primarch
is there a quick reference to all the numbers relating to the primarchs
?
I can never memorize them
open marsh
cloud kindle
I thought soul drinkers were of dorn stock
crisp heath
brohs
are you telling me
that Fulgrim loved Ferrus Manus so much, he had him cloned multiple times just so he could have him on his side again?
open marsh
I thought soul drinkers were of dorn stock
Nope. It's confirmed they aren't
Despite being "2nd Founding" Imperial Fists
cloud kindle
And each clone told him to go fuck himself
open marsh
that Fulgrim loved Ferrus Manus so much, he had him cloned multiple times just s...
Except Fulgrim tried to corrupt the clones. The clones said no and Fulgrim murdered them in a rage
crisp heath
He just wanted his bro back...
Even though he was possessed by a demon
he still wanted his bro back..
cloud kindle
His bro wanted none of what he was selling
grim sequoia
storm jungle
STOP WITH THE SPONGEBOB EMOTES
storm jungle
the fuck
grim sequoia
storm jungle
LOL
vast frigate
Very well.
hallow apex
storm jungle
<a:Togasm:682486872387223560>
hallow apex
rotund siren
hallow apex
storm jungle
<:smack:650451521825144881>
storm jungle
<:CutePantsu:682490693901746180>
grim sequoia
rotund siren
but why
storm jungle
oh hey its the werewolf guy, hes awesome
rotund siren
like, I know that there was a thing of making them like rifles but
vast frigate
even in the anime someone goes ''your guns look ridiculous'' before they get shot
storm jungle
LOL YEAH
vast frigate
THIS WOMAN
storm jungle
Right in the cheek too
vast frigate
GETS AFUCKING
hallow apex
storm jungle
and SHE GOES ''YOUR GUN LOOKS RIDICULOUS''
then he just throws her a fucking medkit
chad
rotund siren
very
hallow apex
storm jungle
<a:Moana:794385654459924491>
eternal ledge
grim sequoia
plucky moth
ok that's too far
vast frigate
wew
open marsh
Who?
storm jungle
She means Roen i think lol
open marsh
Ah
@crisp heath Also I forgot another link between the Carcharadons and the Night Lords. Possibly hinting at their founder
A vision that Sevatar has, towards the end of the Horus Heresy:
breathing. A sense of serenity cloaks him, and a feeling of cold, cold focus that
has eluded him for decades.
When he dreams now it is not of the dead, but of the endless night between
worlds. The deepest void, where a thousand threats drift, away from the light
of loyal suns. The domains of aliens and monsters forced into exile by the
Great Crusade, still crying out to be extinguished once and for all. The true
threats to mankind.```^ that is the long and short of what the Carcharodons are
What their mission is
obtuse vault
She means Roen i think lol
Mhm
open summit
None of the Night Lords exhibit shark-like traits like sandpaper skin, though.
open marsh
Likely just a mutation developed over the thousands of years
open summit
It seems very specific, though, similar to the Space Wolves and the Canis Helix
cerulean wagon
god i hate it when i randomly get shark skin
open marsh
And I think it's something that isn't standard to the Carcharadons
Tho they all do have a deathly pallor
open summit
The Raven Guard also have pale skin.
open marsh
Yep. And its a way they disguise themselves as Raven Guard.
Already went over where the lore mentions they arent Raven Guard
hallow apex
Thought they finally banned that creep
plucky moth
don't tempt me
hallow apex
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atomic pelican
navigate deze nutz boy
hallow apex
plucky moth
I'll scoot into your dms in a minute
cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
😳
obtuse vault
I'll scoot into your dms in a minute
weak nova
idk what's going on in here since half the messages are apparently from someone(s) i have blocked but im callin a penalty on @plucky moth
unnecessary horniness, 15 yards
weak nova
unless there was some context making such acceptable, in which case disregard
plucky moth
obtuse vault
crisp heath
brohs i cant stop thinking about the sharkmans
plucky moth
the what?
plucky moth
woa
coarse mirage
On the other hand, the purged Primarch gene-sons were dispersed through the XIII...
Which Chapters do we know that could be those?
crisp heath
I thought they were just mean Raven Guard successors, but NuclearMedic showed me some pretty substantial proof that they're Night Lords who were sent far far away and got back way after the Heresy happened and remained loyal, pretending to be Raven Guard sucessors.
hallow apex
Hard to say, honestly. The dispersal happened before the Horus Heresy itself, hence before the concept of Chapters themselves as we know them today.
I have a bit of a fan-theory and personal head-canon that Sigismund was a Legionary from one of the Lost Primarchs, in that his temperament clashed pretty wildly with his Primarch’s.
coarse mirage
Hard to say, honestly. The dispersal happened before the Horus Heresy itself, he...
There's still the gene-seed tithe
hallow apex
There was also the whole, ‘You’re not my son’ line lobbed at Sigi
It’s all very murky among the disparate authors in the BL.
obtuse vault
Carcharadons, the Space Sharks chapter
carcharodon is the name of a sick fucking dinosaur
coarse mirage
Yeah the last I know
atomic pelican
💕
obtuse vault
coarse mirage
crisp heath
where are the dinosaur themed space marine chapters i ask you
atomic pelican
exodite gang exodite gang
placid timber
exodite gang exodite gang
Where? I dont see any models
coarse mirage
" History and Etymology for carcharodont
Greek karcharodont-, karcharodōn having jagged teeth, from karcharos jagged + odont-, odōn tooth"
There we go
placid timber
coarse mirage
it's Greek
atomic pelican
😩
coarse mirage
where are the dinosaur themed space marine chapters i ask you
Good point. I dont think I know of one. Good idea for custom chapter.
obtuse vault
Where? I dont see any models
coarse mirage
I like the shark boys. It's fun with loyalist chapters that are nuts.
obtuse vault
dont fucking talk about it
the
exodites i mean
my fucking sorrow
quite possibly the coolest faction
elves with dinosaurs.
no models
odd sparrow
lemme guess
crisp heath
odd sparrow
does that seal have an eye infection
worn dagger
Even the Imperial Guard had Rough Riders with dino style mounts in lore.......also sad lol
crisp heath
eldars riding dinos in 40k
obtuse vault
does that seal have an eye infection
no they made him eat cement
crisp heath
kinda cool
atomic pelican
😩
obtuse vault
kinda cool
finally someone agrees
odd sparrow
and not just craftworlders on dinos
odd sparrow
if they're just craftworlders on dinos i'll be pissed
odd sparrow
ye ik, they wear feather cloaks and all
obtuse vault
and they are
coarse mirage
We triggered the elves again.
obtuse vault
i have arisen
odd sparrow
,,, not that they'll ever do the range
coarse mirage
Someone bring in the orks
odd sparrow
but i can dream
placid timber
does that seal have an eye infection
Yes or an upper respiratory system infection 
Meme ruined
odd sparrow
placid timber
Arent i fun 
worn dagger
Exodite units would be really cool to see, I would also really like to see Dark Mechanicum stuff.
atomic pelican
odd sparrow
Yall get primaris
placid timber
Hell yea we do
odd sparrow
and if you moan you get a spanking
placid timber
Aos gang
odd sparrow
WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AND ONUT AND BUGS
atomic pelican
very simple
elf likes elves
i like tyranids
convergence
(I also like elves)
odd sparrow
awful
obtuse vault
WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AND ONUT AND BUGS
placid timber
Thats a weird looking pelican
odd sparrow
that's a penis
coarse mirage
Pesos? Si
odd sparrow
🔫
obtuse vault
the story of genestealers
plucky moth
what on earth...
rotund siren
Tyranids are actually not from Earth
they're extragalactic entities
though I can understand the mishap /j
torn marlin
bug are cool
torn marlin
haha :)
grim sequoia
barren tapir
Shame on all you who derail the topic of this channel, keep this channel pure and untainted by horny and bugs and elves and other stuff... SHAME!!
obtuse vault
<skitters across the floor and into the air vent>
cloud kindle
rotund siren
fear
grim sequoia
eternal ledge
Love the guy who just gets bodied
Played a game with my cousins the other day where we were CIS attacking Kamino and I got grievous and a bunch of dudes line up on the edge of one of the bridges over the water for cover. I used his sitter ability and it was like Clone bowling
Knocked like 4 dudes off the edge
dim totem
I had this dragon charge build for my warrior on wow, it's an ability with big knock back. I'm crap at pvp but if the mp was right I could knock people off the deep end left and right
Good times
agile spoke
sorry brother
crisp heath
still thinkin bout those shark mans
rotund siren
you seem a touch obsessed with them
been thinking about them for, what, a day and a half?
open marsh
still thinkin bout those shark mans
I know the feeling
dim totem
Same thing
crisp heath
you seem a touch obsessed with them
This is how my mind works. I get unreasonably obsessive about one thing for like 4-7 days
rotund siren
hmm
dim totem
I think it works like that for most people no
rotund siren
well, have fun with your temporary obsession that may or may not be a hyperfixation
open marsh
This is how my mind works. I get unreasonably obsessive about one thing for like...
ADHD hyper focus. I know the feeling well. You will get obsessed with it. Run it into the ground. Then basically care next to nothing about it for awhile
open marsh
Kinda what it sounds like
crisp heath
Fug, that would explain why i cant concentrate on anything for more than 3 minutes
crisp heath
🤓
dim totem
I don't know man
I think most nerds have that no
A period of completely nerding out about something specific
The worst thing is when it passes imo
open marsh
Yup
placid timber
https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gi...
Take the warhammer community joke challenge
Hear the unfunny overused heavy flamer joke 464336335643554 times after you posted somthing somebody didnt like
barren tapir
The worst thing is when it passes imo
You feel empty i imagine
vagrant osprey
Hrm... Are there any loyalist World Eaters? Or Word Bearers?
barren tapir
Since both of those legions purged themself from loyalist i think there were... If you are asking about 40K time IDK
I remember a world eater that was a loyalist... Varren his name iirc
vagrant osprey
ALL the traitor legions purged themselves of loyalists, and ALL the loyalist legions purged themselves of traitors
They generally did not do a good job.
Wait, no, I think that might be wrong.
I don't think there was any purging in the Thousand Sons.
They just kinda almost all got soul-yoinked by Tzneech.
The ones who escaped formed the Blood Ravens.
vast frigate
The blood ravens are unconfirmed still right?
As for their geneseed, it seems unaffiliated
smoky breach
I think it’s unconfirmed, yes, but it goes for some nice lore.
The only thing that ties them together is saying the same phrase once.
gaunt vector
ALL the traitor legions purged themselves of loyalists, and ALL the loyalist leg...
What about the Blood Angels? I haven't heard of any BA issues during the HH. ironic concidering they have perhaps the most Khornate geneseed of all the legions
vast frigate
They all suffered the black slap near the end
cerulean wagon
BA didnt have traitors outside of the backlash from sangs death i think?
open marsh
Those werent even traitors. Just went berzerk
gaunt vector
that just reminds me of the "you know what f**k you unplagues your marines" but for bezerkers
un-khornates your bezerkers
open marsh
but its the closest they have
Well some Flesh Tearers have since gone Chaos. But yeah, during the Hreesy, they were all good boyos
gaunt vector
Well some Flesh Tearers have since gone Chaos. But yeah, during the Hreesy, they...
Khorne I presume?
open marsh
yeh
gaunt vector
well thats about as suprising as magnus reading a book
coarse mirage
This is how my mind works. I get unreasonably obsessive about one thing for like...
Welcome on to the Spectrum. Here we love to find new stuff to love for a week or two.
odd sparrow
hyperfixations bestfixations
crisp heath
should i go to a psychiatrist? 🥸
coarse mirage
should i go to a psychiatrist? 🥸
Just go with it :p
But remember not to go spending money on whims.
coarse mirage
I've managed to teach myself that if there's something I feel I really want, I should wait a few days then go back to it and see if I still want to buy it. If I still want it, it's something I won't regret getting.
crisp heath
I went to etsy last week to buy one paint holder. Spent like 200+
odd sparrow
the paint holder things are highkey useful tbh
coarse mirage
I went to etsy last week to buy one paint holder. Spent like 200+
It's a good thing I don't really have enough money to spend like that.
But I spent my 20's being very bad with money.
placid timber
I went to etsy last week to buy one paint holder. Spent like 200+
Im sorry
That was my fault
crisp heath
That was my fault
no nooo, you're fine buddo
vagrant osprey
Welcome on to the Spectrum. Here we love to find new stuff to love for a week or...
I love your PFP. Where's it from? :D
vagrant osprey
the paint holder things are highkey useful tbh
You don't just use one of those k-cup tree things?
placid timber
Imagine not using a wet pallet
odd sparrow
mine is one of the rack things
vagrant osprey
Oh, nice.
odd sparrow
they're very cheap, it's just ploughwood or whatever
placid timber
Fuuuuc mt right arm is sore
odd sparrow
F
atomic pelican
Vaxeem pain?
placid timber
Yup
atomic pelican
Mine has been hurting since yesterday when I got it
open marsh
Fuuuuc mt right arm is sore
Stop playing with yaself and let it rest
placid timber
Im fully vaccinated tho
odd sparrow
i'm gradually looking forward to getting vaccinated less and less
placid timber
Stop playing with yaself and let it rest
No i use my left arm for that
odd sparrow
maybe they do cause autism
crisp heath
i'm gradually looking forward to getting vaccinated less and less
i had 0 complications
open marsh
No i use my left arm for that
fair
storm jungle
Most complaints ive heard from my family members that got vacc'd was just their injection spot burning slightly but nothing much else
placid timber
maybe they do cause autism
No but the do cause you to be super cool
atomic pelican
When the 5G towers turn on and Biden feminizes america 😳
storm jungle
Whats Amerika
atomic pelican
Bimboification towers
crisp heath
the thing is, no one says anything when they dont have complications, you only hear about the pains
crisp heath
Bimboification towers
yes please
rotund siren
nooo not my already minimal intelligence!
atomic pelican
😳
rotund siren
give us what liberals have always wanted
crisp heath
honestly bimbo ladies r kind of based
storm jungle
I hate biden's name so much, i keep thinking of [redacted}
crisp heath
joe bideogame
storm jungle
Angry Joebin
coarse mirage
I love your PFP. Where's it from? :D
It's art I commissioned of my Draenei in WoW!
I colored in the eyes and lips :p
coarse mirage
Did you forget to lift with your legs?
crisp heath
nah, i got a bulging disc
and the pain has moved from just my leg
to my entire BOTTOM HALF OF MY BODY
coarse mirage
Fuck that. Sorry to hear. My mother has had trouble with that too.
coarse mirage
Spines are a mess
coarse mirage
Nerve damage pain is the worst pain possible in my experience
crisp heath
i really didnt know anything could hurt this much lol
coarse mirage
I've had gallbladder stones a few time. It's pure misery
placid timber
Bimboification towers
At least sony had the common courtesy to preload the ps5 with 50 gigs of sissy hypnosis as a selling point
coarse mirage
I feel that muscle relaxant medicine works much better than pain suppressors
crisp heath
I feel that muscle relaxant medicine works much better than pain suppressors
ive been taking literally everything
but tomorrow they injecting my spine
coarse mirage
I dunno what can be done for you. Except finding out what makes it happen to prevent that.
rotund siren
good luck with that injection
placid timber
Oof
coarse mirage
Ey, I've had spinal injection
coarse mirage
"Please bend a bit more"
placid timber
Only america treats life as a Pay2play service
coarse mirage
Can't really feel it, but it is a bit scary.
crisp heath
i am america
placid timber
Oof
cerulean wagon
cant believe medical is pay2win
crisp heath
yeah im probably financially fucked for life
crisp heath
lel
summer niche
F
coarse mirage
Become a refugee, flee to some rich country that speaks English
Not Holland though, it's cramped.
rotund siren
go to Spain?
coarse mirage
Finland is great
rotund siren
A lotta Brits just got ejected from Spain
summer niche
anything in scandinavia is pretty gucci
rotund siren
thanks to the Brexit they voted for lmao
summer niche
gets lonely and dark though
coarse mirage
As a Swede, I'm rather jaded to my own country so I can't sing its praises.
vast frigate
Dont come to the netherlands
coarse mirage
Well of course lots of things are great here, but compared to our neighbours I don't think we are.
summer niche
we're all good at different things amigo, i have a friend in norway that still doesn't have fiber
coarse mirage
I think everywhere has housing problems.
vast frigate
Yeah pretty much
coarse mirage
we're all good at different things amigo, i have a friend in norway that still d...
Neither do I :(
summer niche
how in the world...
coarse mirage
I got uh, 500-600 mbit down and 10 up.
vast frigate
Its a case of housing vs nature and people not wanting to give up more nature at this point here
coarse mirage
And only 1 ISP
I'm literally stuck with this ISP and they can do whatever htey want.
vast frigate
Where does thou livw
vast frigate
Aah oof
coarse mirage
I live in an apartment, which is why I can only have ComHem
summer niche
Ahhh
crisp heath
America made a deal where only like 2 isps can be in one area
coarse mirage
Yepp
summer niche
i think most of the world is aware of the horrible ISP sits in america
lmao
i swear to god sometimes i wonder if the US isn't just like 3 giant corporations in a trenchcoat
vast frigate
America is just a cancerous swell on itseld, sorry americans
crisp heath
joe bideogame says hes gonna do something to isps
crisp heath
America is just a cancerous swell on itseld, sorry americans
yes we know
coarse mirage
But I suppose it ain't as expensive as some other countries. I wouldn't mind lowering my internet bill by half.
rotund siren
we know very well
coarse mirage
joe bideogame says hes gonna do something to isps
Do something? I wouldn't hope for anything positive for the consumer. He could just let them have MORE control.
summer niche
yes we know
i really do hope you're not superfucked from your hospital bill though
it always pains me to hear stories of american healthcare
since i work healthcare myself
crisp heath
yeah... we'll see
summer niche
you got a good insurance?
coarse mirage
I fuck the government with my hospital bills. They deserve it.
crisp heath
I have a pretty good plan, but there's limits to that
and ive been going a lot
to the hospital and docs
summer niche
I fuck the government with my hospital bills. They deserve it.
should try to direct that hate towards the people at djursholm
coarse mirage
Happily haven't been to a hospital in years. Pepper pepper...
summer niche
is that a saying outside of sweden?
summer niche
good luck lol
coarse mirage
Nah, I think it's more throwing salt over your shoulder or something :p
Knock on wood
summer niche
true true
coarse mirage
Iceland, I dunno, dating is probably difficult :p
summer niche
implying it isn't everywhere
barren tapir
I heard nice things about iceland
summer niche
the focus on tinder nowadays burns my soul
coarse mirage
I dont really know what problems they have.
barren tapir
One thing i heard about iceland is that they have huge record of family tree, so you can know if you are dating your cousin
summer niche
that is true
coarse mirage
Yeah they know everyone well
summer niche
ashkenazi jews used to do the same thing
coarse mirage
I suppose living space is a premium
barren tapir
And that they are also interested in new people going there to live
summer niche
iceland is very expensive
barren tapir
So to increase the genetic pool
summer niche
even by our scandinavian standard
barren tapir
https://tenor.com/view/milhouse-van-houten-the-simpsons-eyebrows-gif-4880957
I think i would like iceland... Cold like my heart, no need to go out for social life... And probably good net connection too
coarse mirage
Japan gives out "breeding licenses" too. No joke.
summer niche
lol
coarse mirage
Big lifting goth GF
summer niche
well, i can tell you one thing bout sweden, there is a craze when it comes to lifting weights
crisp heath
😳
summer niche
so plenty of women do actual weightlifting here
summer niche
👌
barren tapir
In sweden there is still mandatory military service?
summer niche
didn't they restart it again?
it stopped like 15 years ago
but there has been talks about starting it up again
barren tapir
Maybe i misremembering with finland then
coarse mirage
They might've? I've not heard of it
summer niche
finland has conscription
barren tapir
Look, i'm not good at geography
summer niche
"fter att ha varit vilande sedan 2010 återupptogs en del av värnplikten 2014, då redan krigsplacerade kunde kallas till repetitionsutbildningar. Från 2018 utökades värnplikten och nu mönstras årligen ett stort antal 18-åriga män och kvinnor för grundutbildning.
Utbildningens längd är mellan 6 och 15 månader. Den första delen utgörs av så kallad grundläggande militär utbildning (GMU) och pågår i tre månader. Den följs av en befattningsutbildning på upp till 12 månader.
Utöver grundutbildning omfattar värnplikten även repetitionsutbildning, beredskapstjänstgöring och krigstjänstgöring." @coarse mirage
we do have conscrption apparently
coarse mirage
They're increasing military budget in Sweden though and re-opening some uh, I dunno the name for it...bases?
summer niche
i don't think it's superforced though
crisp heath
wen sweeden goes to war with norway over who made black metal
coarse mirage
we do have conscrption apparently
Isn't like, if you say you don't want they don't make you, they'd rather concentrate on trainign the people that do want to
summer niche
yea
summer niche
i still think it's called conscription though
crisp heath
(i know)
summer niche
in english
crisp heath
im jus tryina make jokey
summer niche
norway used to be swedish, so technically swedes made it 
barren tapir
What about we move to #735951004989784104 ?
crisp heath
What about we move to <#735951004989784104> ?
yes good idea
placid timber
Could of not had church burnings
If
They all just fucked eachother
Now moving to off topic
supple plume
So how hard is it to become a swede... like nationality?
i always wanted to migrate north
grim sequoia
plucky moth
So how hard is it to become a swede... like nationality?
just marry one
supple plume
alas im occupied
open marsh
alas im occupied
supple plume
yea sometimes you have to deal with shit , i guess
but in the end its all worth it
just read a funny shortstory about the Aquilan shield retinue and a Kriegsmen
coarse mirage
i always wanted to migrate north
From where?
supple plume
West Europe
coarse mirage
West Europe
There's a fair bit of west Europe.
open marsh
There's a fair bit of west Europe.
Eh. What's the big difference between Spain and Ireland. Really? Ya seen one part of Western Europe, ya seen it all
/s
vast frigate
Ghegheghe
crisp heath
Why are the sisters of silence female only?
primal tide
Cuz misters of milence doesn't sound as snappy
eternal ledge
Blanks can be male or female
storm jungle
Yeah like i said just a stylistic choice i think
eternal ledge
I think most of the authors like making them women
primal tide
They needed a reason to make ladies with top knots
Already plenty of dudes with top knots in 40k
open marsh
Why are the sisters of silence female only?
The Emperor was equal oppertunity. Custodes can only be male (due to the process of their creation), so didnt want to come off as sexist]
primal tide
He coulda just made custodladys if he was worried about being called sexist
primal tide
Lmao
open marsh
He coulda just made custodladys if he was worried about being called sexist
It doesnt work on females. Otherwise he would have
storm jungle
It doesnt work on females. Otherwise he would have
They made up an excuse for that too?
what is it this time
primal tide
Lmao
crisp heath
Is there different levels of blanks?
open marsh
Is there different levels of blanks?
Yes
storm jungle
Im genuinely curious btw
primal tide
The only reason it doesn't work for women is because the hand of fate (read: gw) made it so
open marsh
They made up an excuse for that too?
Its not stated why it doesnt work on women. Only that it doesnt. The selection process of Custodes is extremely strict. With very few of those given to them for recruitment actually making it. Big E wouldnt artificially restrict the recruitment pool by 50%.
crisp heath
Yes
Ok word, cause sometimes they describe it as a minor unease, and sometimes some people are like “JESUS CHRIST KILL THAT THING WHAT THR FUCk”
storm jungle
Its not stated why it doesnt work on women. Only that it doesnt. The selection p...
Yup guessed as much, thanks though medic 👍
open marsh
But lets not get too much into the "Where's muh lady custodes? Or wheres muh female space marines?!" Because that convo never goes anywhere.
primal tide
That's why it's fun
storm jungle
Female custodes make sense though
female marines is just "too late to market and sculpts were bad back in the day so YEET"
crisp heath
LOL
primal tide
Lorewise too, it makes more sense for the more production-quality (sm) to have tighter restrictions on what they're made from than with the handcrafted custodes
storm jungle
Yeah really its just marketing/sculpting department nonsense.
barren tapir
IIRC it is stated that some male blanks serve the SoS, but not as an active SoS, only as aides
storm jungle
The only reason female stormcasts exist is because GW realised they can be really inclusive and create a bigger market.
primal tide
IIRC it is stated that some male blanks serve the SoS, but not as an active SoS,...
Lucky sods
barren tapir
Also it depend on which story about the creation of the sisterhood you take
storm jungle
Ok word, cause sometimes they describe it as a minor unease, and sometimes some ...
Also that reminds, you should see the sisterhood's head honcho-lady
she was so toxic/blank that she was invisible
crisp heath
LOL
barren tapir
Oi, moderate your words when talking about best SoS Janetia Krole
crisp heath
The human mind could not comprehend a psychic presence so obtuse
barren tapir
It isn't explained why blanks can be invisible to normal people afaik
storm jungle
She gets killed by Kharn the Betrayer during the siege of terra, and even he doesnt know what he just killed, only there is blood splatter lol
storm jungle
same
barren tapir
She was also one of the closest confidant of Big E
storm jungle
Basically the SoS version of Valdor yep
barren tapir
The best thing is that she seemed to be quite humble too... Really, a great character
Aaaaand he died to fking kharn
barren tapir
Yes
crisp heath
Lol
barren tapir
He couldn't see her, and he swinging axes like the madman he is killed her
Probably something instinctively though
storm jungle
Yeah it was no joke literally
"what the fuck?"
looks around
"guess that happened"
shrugs and runs off
barren tapir
Yep
barren tapir
Only few people could see her
open marsh
They could see her, its just her blank aura was so strong that their brains would be like "Nope. I didnt see nothing" as soon as he was no longer in direct line of sight
barren tapir
Also you wanna know something more about the SoS? Of course you want!
They are normal humans in power armour (like the less cool sob), but their bolters use the same calibre as the SM ones (unlike the less cool sob ones, that have a scaled down calibre)
open marsh
Also you wanna know something more about the SoS? Of course you want!
They are n...
They are Horus Heresy/Great Crusade patterns too. Umbra pattern
barren tapir
Oi, keep your hands away from them, i know your interest for relics and old stuff, but those are theirs only
open marsh
I dont take the relics for myself.
They are using them. So its all good
Oi, @storm jungle
Im not a Blood Raven. As long as the relics are being used, and being used properly, then thats exactly what I want
storm jungle
I'll keep my eye on you 
open marsh
Actually a better example is that im not Trayzn. The Blood Ravens atleast use their relics regularly. Even if they arent really their relics
I want a book where the Consecrators find out the Blood Ravens have Dark Angels relics, que the Consecrators launching a raid against them to recover the relics
storm jungle
I voted for a consectrators book, you saw it
shame everyone wants Gav's stupid eldar books again
open marsh
storm jungle
open marsh
Delete knife ears, arise relic hunters
open marsh
🔫 
storm jungle
eternal ledge
grim sequoia
open marsh
The Consecrators kinda did that once. But they got permission
The recovered the heavenfall blade of the original chapter master of the Disciples of Caliban. They took it to the Dark Angels (since Azrael is the Supreme Grand Master of the legion) and offered it to them to be re-issued to the DoC, but Azrael told them to keep it by right of recovery
vagrant osprey
Nah, lets be serious.
They're Dark Angels. Their reliquary was too full for another holy sword of legend
open marsh
They're Dark Angels. Their reliquary was too full for *another* holy sword of le...
Funny. Because the Consecrators have more relics than the mainline Dark Angels
Their flagship is called the "Reliquaria"
coarse mirage
Blood Angels want to know your location
open marsh
Do you mean Blood Ravens?
cloud kindle
open marsh
If they're so good, why aren't they in a game 🤔
They are
open marsh
Index Astartes: Blood Ravens
cloud kindle
god i just love seeing dreadnoughts just pick up shit and crush it
tawdry walrus
quick, someone give that man METHUL BAWKSIES
fallow drum
Hey guys I am still learning about the different Astartes legions and I was just curious. What are the defining traits of the blood angels?
tender igloo
I would say the biggest defining traits are their nobility and general love of the arts, and the constant battle within them to prevent their fall to the black rage. That's putting it very basically though.
crisp heath
Poor Banshee
fallow drum
I would say the biggest defining traits are their nobility and general love of t...
So would you say their love of the arts is akin to the Emperor's Children pre-heresy?
In fact both of those things sound like them
tender igloo
No, I would say their love of the arts is more akin to keeping them in touch with their humanity, rather than a desire to be perfect
fallow drum
Interesting. I am going through Horus Heresy and still haven't gotten to a book centered around them.
tender igloo
if i recall correctly, before sanguinius was found the blood angels were basically just as savage and bloodthirsty as the world eaters. But their primarch's return helped transform them into a legion of noble warriors
fallow drum
That sounds pretty cool. I always find stories of primarchs uniting with their legions to be very interesting. Legion origin stories are always pretty cool. May I ask what black rage basically is?
tender igloo
the black rage started at the end of the Horus Heresy when Sanguinius was killed by Horus. The psychic backlash was so intense that it left a genetic imprint on the gene-seed of the blood angels that causes the blood angel in question to experience that final battle as if they were Sanguinius himself, when under extreme battlefield duress. Once you fall to the black rage, you cannot come back from it
cloud kindle
they are nigh unstoppable in that state and are kept sealed away until dire circumstances require them
mint hill
unless you're mephiston, then you just get stuck under some rocks and you're good to go.
tender igloo
I probably butchered some of that, but i'm not the most well versed on the blood angels
fallow drum
I haven't read the parts yet that discuss the legions who lost their primarchs in great detail yet but to lose one must be worse then losing a father
cloud kindle
they are formed into the death company
and their red armor painted black
as an example
fallow drum
So if I see a blood angel painted red it is pre-horus heresy end?
tender igloo
oh yeah i forgot they also see every enemy as Horus
fallow drum
LOL
cloud kindle
yup thats the big one
fallow drum
That's great
mint hill
Kinda dumb that they can't tell the difference between say, a chaos character (representing Horus) And a tyranid.
cloud kindle
usually the final words of a space marine before falling into the black rage is screaming for the emperor
tender igloo
There is also the fan theory that the final battle between Horus and Sanguinius actually went down very differently
What happens is that Sagnuinius kills Horus but falls to the black rage himself, and when The Emperor shows up he is mortally wounded and is force to kill Sanguinius
cloud kindle
also when sanguinius fell his legion on terra fell into the black rage instantly and unleashed such a savage counter attack against the traitors that several started to retreat
yeah i have heard it too but just leaves one big gaping hole
fallow drum
I am so far from the Siege of Terra
cloud kindle
how did the emperor take all those wounds then
tender igloo
Would you want to kill your actual favorite son instead of trying to find a way to save him first?
fallow drum
I thought Guilliman was the favorite
cloud kindle
yeah its a little hard to believe sanguinius could take on chaos empowered horus 1v1
especially after sanguinius is exhausted from defending the eternity gate and a battle against kabandar
tender igloo
i could believe it simply because of the black rage angle that theory has on it
cloud kindle
actually was it eternity gate or some other vital entrance into the palace
i cant recall
tender igloo
i could accept that Sanguinius falling to the black rage has more dire consequences to it than an astartes falling to it
tender igloo
understandable
fallow drum
I feel like not going for the head would be out of character for him seeing that he is basically the emperors executioner
tender igloo
that's actually the really funny thing about the Horus Heresy. it could have been prevented in a lot of ways if they only communicated with each other better
fallow drum
Magnus did nothing wrong
tender igloo
Magnus did everything wrong
cloud kindle
magnus was the king of fuck ups
fallow drum
Hey just saying things would have been different if they had heeded his warning
He did do wrong but it could have been better for it
cloud kindle
yeah but that fuck up wasnt an oppsie
tender igloo
it also would have been better if he had listened to Russ' offer of parley
instead of just ignoring it
cloud kindle
lemon got tricked by whorus
storm jungle
lemon got tricked by whorus
Further proof that hes stupid
cloud kindle
and yet magno still sided with chaos
storm jungle
fallow drum
Magnus wanted to surrender to Russ right. It was his sons who fought and denied him the chance. Magnus even lowered the defenses of Prosperro
Also when I say he did nothing wrong I meant just sending the message
tender igloo
I thought it was Magnus realized he had been played by Tzeentch the entire time, and just wanted his legion to face death with honor?
barren tapir
Magnus realized that pretty quickly, and yet he still gave himself to tzeneetch
fallow drum
I thought it was Magnus realized he had been played by Tzeentch the entire time,...
Regardless of the motivations Magnus was going to surrender to his brother
mint hill
The emperor could have just said "Hey I have wards on Terra, don't break them or Deamons will go ape shit up in here."
fallow drum
The emperor could have just said "Hey I have wards on Terra, don't break them or...
I actually just read that part today
tender igloo
let's not even get started on what the Emperor did fucking wrong
that is a laundry list right there
fallow drum
It's a whole tome of shit
mint hill
If you take morality out of the equation, he did everything right.
cloud kindle
the road to hell is paved with good intentions
barren tapir
Magnus even got an offer from big e that offered him redemption, but only for him, not for his legion, and magus was "nope, thanks i like my shapeshifting gene sons and like to be a pawn" and refused
cloud kindle
thats big e in a nutshell
tender igloo
i guess that's what happens when you don't even fundamentally understand the species you're trying to help become rulers of the galaxy anymore
fallow drum
Still think Magnus was justified and the Trial of Magnus the Red should have swung the other way
barren tapir
Oh, and big e also told magnus to not believe anything that the warp entities would show him, did he listen to that? No he didn't
tender igloo
The biggest problem of the emperor is that he had become so alien to the rest of humanity that he really did not understand them at all. he simply could not comprehend that they don't always make choices based on logic or reason
cloud kindle
no i think he did
barren tapir
Many people saw that, some because the warp, other because things were going weird, but no one believed that... Dorn kill a SM because tell him that horus was a traitor, guillman punish one of his SM that simply thought about making battle plans for inter legion warfare...
fallow drum
Well that happens when you are an emperor so powerful mortal men become like babies in your presence just by looking at you
cloud kindle
he was just prepared to sacrifice anything and everything to accomplish his vision and freeing humanity from the warp
which ultimately was his downfall in the heresy
fallow drum
Many people saw that, some because the warp, other because things were going wei...
Are you sure about Dorn? When I read about how he learned of the heresy he was angry but let the woman who told him live
tender igloo
he was also so focused on the BIG picture that he forgot that sometimes the small picture can have dire consequences
cloud kindle
indeed
barren tapir
Are you sure about Dorn? When I read about how he learned of the heresy he was a...
Yes, he killed a SM not a woman
tender igloo
van saar is correct in this matter i believe
mint hill
The real question is, Why was Konrad not bothering to do more? 😛
tender igloo
he had already resigned himself to his fate i think
tender igloo
nihilist in the purest sense
cloud kindle
he saw the future as unchangeable and fate
mint hill
likely could have killed Horus if he was so amazing at telling fortunes.
cloud kindle
theres a really sad scene with him talking to sanguinius on macragge
where the night haunter fades away for a second and you see the broken curze underneath
fallow drum
No yeah I was right I just looked it up Dorn learned of it from the survivors of the Eisenstien. The rembrencer woman showed him
Mersadie Oliton
fallow drum
That's how Dorn learned and he did not kill her
barren tapir
Ah, i was wrong, he nearly killed garro, but was furious to anyone who suggested that horus was a traitor
crisp heath
Curze almost killed Dorn when he tried to warn him about the Horus Heresy.
Dorn was like “shut the fuck up”
cloud kindle
its sad he so wanted to die by sanguinius hand as it would prove his visions wrong
crisp heath
And curze just tore chunks out of him
fallow drum
IDK about that Curze was only a half astarte and one advanced in age
cloud kindle
wat
crisp heath
IDK about that Curze was only a half astarte and one advanced in age
Its not speculation, it happened.
fallow drum
or am I thinking of the wrong one they had a half astarte with them
cloud kindle
curze is a primarch
barren tapir
Curze was a primarch
fallow drum
Who was the Half Astarte former Luna Wolf they had with them?
cloud kindle
one that could go toe to toe with quite a few other primarchs
barren tapir
Qurze?
crisp heath
its sad he so wanted to die by sanguinius hand as it would prove his visions wro...
I also think part of the reason he wanted Sang to kill him is his need for punishment. The whole vindication thing.
barren tapir
Iacton qurze?
cloud kindle
possibly
fallow drum
Iacton qurze?
That's the one I mixed up the C and the Q
cloud kindle
but i think mainly it would have proved his visions of the future wrong
and that fate isnt written
barren tapir
That's the one I mixed up the C and the Q
He isn't half astartes though
cloud kindle
he would have died with hope in his heart
crisp heath
Curze’s precognition seems different than most of the others
cloud kindle
it was on par with sanguinius
crisp heath
Emperor describes his precog as multiple futures
fallow drum
He isn't half astartes though
I'm 99% sure there was a man who was only given some of the astarte augments and was refered to by the other Sons of Horus as a half herd
barren tapir
I'm 99% sure there was a man who was only given some of the astarte augments and...
Yes, half heard was his unofficial title, but he was a full space marine, and one of the first of the legion
crisp heath
I havent read enough Sanguinius books to know if Sang had the “multiple futures” thing like Emps or only the 40k future
cloud kindle
sanguinius had multiple futures
fallow drum
Yes, half heard was his unofficial title, but he was a full space marine, and on...
Well when I said half I was reffering to how others saw him. To help differentiate who I am talking about
tender igloo
Honestly out of all the Primarchs I like Guilliman & The Lion the most. despite all the flak Guilliman gets about being a mary sue, he actually fucks up and is wrong quite a lot, and while the lion is a hothead asshole he can also be a courageous and honorable warrior
barren tapir
Well when I said half I was reffering to how others saw him. To help differentia...
Other saw him as an only grumpy old veteran
fallow drum
Other saw him as an only grumpy old veteran
Did he receive the full astartes upgrades?
cloud kindle
lion is going to be fucking PISSED when he learns of all the shit that has happened
barren tapir
Did he receive the full astartes upgrades?
Yes, he was a captain in the legion from the inception
fallow drum
Yes, he was a captain in the legion from the inception
Well yeah but so was Luthor.
crisp heath
Honestly out of all the Primarchs I like Guilliman & The Lion the most. despite ...
I dig guilliman. I see him as an accountant turned king. He’s cool as hell imo
barren tapir
Well yeah but so was Luthor.
Nope, luthor became a semi space marine once the lion has been found big e
cloud kindle
fallow drum
Nope, luthor became a semi space marine once the lion has been found big e
Is the legion start when they find a primarch or does it exist before?
tender igloo
@crisp heath there has been a massive effort to rehabilitate Guilliman and the Ultramarines in the eyes of the public, and i am glad for it
barren tapir
Qurze was in the legion before horus was discovered
barren tapir
Is the legion start when they find a primarch or does it exist before?
They all existed before their primarchs were found
tawdry walrus
you mean this lad? https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Iacton_Qruze
fallow drum
They all existed before their primarchs were found
I see I haven't read about any pre-primarch legions so I'll take your word for it
tender igloo
well for starters the Ultramarines before they found their primarch were called the War-Born
crisp heath
<@456226577798135808> there has been a massive effort to rehabilitate Guilliman ...
I have a lot of history with hating the ultramarines, but I accept their place now. Theyre the alphas of the wolf pack, and thats fine
barren tapir
I see I haven't read about any pre-primarch legions so I'll take your word for i...
Most of the time they changed name when reunited with their primarch
crisp heath
Theyre the chads of the bunch
tender igloo
@crisp heath i'm just glad that they aren't the best anymore
barren tapir
you mean this lad? <https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Iacton_Qruze>
Yes, i was talking about him
cloud kindle
space wolves still the chads though
crisp heath
I still see them as the best (if you had to rank them)
But that doesnt mean theyre perfect
tawdry walrus
anyone still hating Ultramarines can go read Know No Fear
tender igloo
@crisp heath they've had more stories where they have failed or barely survived, is what i meant
tawdry walrus
that book does wonders at making the more humane
well, as humane an astartes can be but still
tawdry walrus
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Know_No_Fear_(Novel) I shall just leave this here
crisp heath
Remember how everyone says Vulkan is the nicest bro in the universe
barren tapir
Lol, i just discovered that the original name for the white scars was the star hunters
tawdry walrus
but yeah, read it anyway it´s amazing book
tender igloo
i would still like if another chapter became the poster boys for a while though
crisp heath
But burned an elf child alive
cerulean wagon
anyone still hating Ultramarines can go read Know No Fear
as with all things 40k, they are a good concept but poorly handled in 80% of core lore
fallow drum
i would still like if another chapter became the poster boys for a while though
who would you want?