they fancy af
#40k-lore-chat
cerulean wagon
peak hamlet
Especially since all of them look like they are straight out of the 15th/16th century
With exceptions ofc
open marsh
Some Ork: 'nd I took dat personally
open summit
So, quick question. I've had an idea floating around in the back of my head for a while for a homebrew chapter, but I wanted to double-check if the lore behind it was acceptable. Could a Space Marine chapter choose a Knight World as their homeworld? Or another planet in the same system?
storm jungle
In principle they can recruit from anywhere they want. Depends on the chapter's own process and traditions. Most chapters will recruit only from their respective homeworlds. Some fleet based chapters have designated worlds they recruit from, while others are more pick up as you go planet hopping. You can even write it so that the Chapter and the Knight houses on said-world are pretty chill with each other due to them assisting each other on another past campaign and such, so the possibilities are pretty open.
coarse tree
Playing Outriders and they said they had printers that could build entire cities and power grids out of raw materials before the storms destroyed them. Reminded me of STC lol
open summit
In principle they can recruit from anywhere they want. Depends on the chapter's ...
Yeah the idea was to make the chapter an Iron Hands successor, since both they and the Knights have close ties to the Mechanicus.
peak hamlet
So, quick question. I've had an idea floating around in the back of my head for...
That would be possible. The space marines aided once them so the knights swore alliance to them (or the other way around). Im sure you already got something like that in mind but yes, thats possible
barren tapir
Why the hell there is a server called coronavirus?!
grim sequoia
storm jungle
Why the hell there is a server called coronavirus?!
I dunno im just there for the emotes
cerulean wagon
thats rude dilara
cerulean wagon
hemlo
crisp heath
vagrant osprey
Izzat Eisenhorn?
crisp heath
Chyeah
tawdry walrus
I re-read that series not long ago and found it hard to pinpoint any single moment where you start thinking that well, now he´s done and crossed the line
it´s cool how anything he does can be oh so easily justified
cerulean wagon
its incredibly well handled
open marsh
Yep
Tho I can think of the points he crossed lines:
Keeping the Malus Codicium
Summoning Cherubael
Sacrificing that other inquisitor to rebind Cherubael
Not destroying "the Pontius" and agreeing to have the Magos provide him a new body
Using psychic thralls
summer niche
The things we do for Big E
open marsh
The thing is. Most of the things he crosses lines to stop, were either directly or indirectly caused by him crossing an earlier line
cloud kindle
its how chaos subtly manipulates even the most righteous
making them cause more damage in their attempts to stop what they perceive as a greater evil
open marsh
yep
You cross a small line to stop a small problem, but that causes a slightly bigger problem, so you cross a slightly bigger line to stop it.
cloud kindle
next your exterminatusing entire worlds
open marsh
And sacrificing your comrades to daemons
cloud kindle
reminds me of that comic where an inquisitor was about to expose the dark angels secret to the grey knights but they counter that by saying you hold a fucking daemon on your ship
which she did and was using it to peer into the future
which naturally the grey knight took as proof that she was corrupted and keblam
open marsh
Will of Iron
And yeah, she was being manipulated by the daemon.
She encountered a Fallen and made the mistake of believing him part of the Dark Angels, not realizing he was a traitor to them just as much as he was of the Imperium and the Emperor.
And the daemon fed on that mistake. leading her to believe the chapter, possibly all their successors as well, had sworn themselves to Chaos
cloud kindle
trying to find the comic itself
open marsh
The Daemon was salty that the Lion had kicked his ass during the Great Crusade
summer niche
Imagine trying to reason with a gray knight 
I'm surprised she didn't explode in a cloud of blood
From the bolt round
open marsh
Look at her back. The bolt round went all the way through. Due to the closeness of the shot
open marsh
He has that "Oh you stupid bitch, you didnt...." look
summer niche
The face he does in the second to last pic is great
"you sought the councel of daemons?"
open marsh
This is the one Im talking about
summer niche
Yeeeep
cloud kindle
"bitch you serious?"
open marsh
He doesnt even look angry. He just looks disappointed
open marsh
Well that wasnt the final picture
odd sparrow
Glorious warp hen
open marsh
Glorious warp hen
The great Chaos chimken
cloud kindle
chaos tendies
open marsh
Drumsticks of the Damned
cloud kindle
fried unknowables
peak hamlet
Damn where is that from? It looks way better than the calgar comic!
cloud kindle
calgar comic is good
peak hamlet
Gotta try to get my hands on them now
cerulean wagon
calgar comic is memeable
peak hamlet
Calgar ripped a khorne lord of skulls head off
open marsh
calgar comic is memeable
Anything is memeable when taken out of context
peak hamlet
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Warhammer-40-000-Will-of-Iron/Issue-0?id=116199
Oi thanks!
cloud kindle
feel a little bad but im tight on cash
and only wanted to link those scenes anyway
obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnaxL4K8awI&
cloud kindle
dude fucked up almost as hard as magnus
open marsh
And he knows he did
He admits he did
And he tries to make amends, tho refusing to "repent" to anyone but the Lion
cloud kindle
what whacky shenanigans will he get up to in the warp
barren tapir
Now Luther is who know where, last time i checked in their lore fallen are starting to get together and cypher is being searched by Custodes... To me look like there will be an interesting development regarding the rock, and luther arriving to be finally judged by the Lion that would arise from the bowels of the rock
All this while Custodes are looking btw
open marsh
One of the most painful moments is when:
||One Supreme Grand Master misunderstands what Luther told him, doesnt let Luther finish, and apparently did a major oopsie. Tried to blame Luther, before killing himself, and Luther got blamed for his murder.||
barren tapir
Poor luther, he is being misunderstood for ages
What always intrigued me was how he knew that the lion was near him when in prison...
open marsh
Luther doesnt
Luther looked up, startled. He jumped to his feet, wincing as the stitches in his flesh pulled tight.
‘The Lion lives? I told you! I told them all! Where is he?’```the watchers visit and tell him the lion is on the rock just to fuck with him
open marsh
oh yeah
cloud kindle
just like hey remember when you were the catalyst to blowing up our home?
yeah lions hidden on the rock somewhere okay baiiiii
open marsh
Nah. It was a Supreme Grand Master
One who realized the Lion's body had never been recovered. So decided to not assume Luther killed him
That Supreme Grand Master's successors were not so capable of critical thinking
cloud kindle
i was just referring to the watchers in the dark
was being a filthy memer
i only know the basic lore on the dark angels tbh
barren tapir
Lex say that the watcher welcomed the destruction of caliban...
open marsh
Because it set up a closed time loop that destroyed the Ouroboros. The chaos worm at the heart of Caliban
cloud kindle
sounds like a nice fellow
was it an entity or a artifact?
reading it looks like both kind of.
open marsh
was it an entity or a artifact?
With beings of the warp, there is no difference between those two things
open marsh
Because that is boring
cloud kindle
tru
open marsh
But yes. The Ouroboros is both an entity of Chaos and an artefact of Chaos
cloud kindle
so couple of fallen tried to team up with typhus to create a new legion with the fallen of the past?
that sure wont backfire at all
cloud kindle
shit if cypher was in on stopping it you know its bad lol
open marsh
yep
open marsh
oh did he warn the unforgiven?
Yeah
Both Cypher and Luther
Luther through his semi-lucid visions. Then later Cypher clarified
cloud kindle
i can only imagine the angels were frothing when cypher came knocking
open marsh
‘Whose corpse?’
‘Fair Caliban’s corpse, of course. We are but mites on her beautiful skin. A dermal infection. A parasite. We offended her, delving deep wounds into her flesh to fill with our nests. We thought to gouge her secrets from her and she turned on her children.’
‘You destroyed Caliban, with your treachery,’ Azrael snapped. Circumstances allowed him no patience at this time. ‘What of Typhus? Why has he come?’
Luther was surprised by this question, sitting up with a frown.
‘Calas Typhon, the seedbringer, the plough and the harvest. The circle of fecundity. He comes for me, but I am already here. Thrice-cursed, thrice-cursed, thrice-cursed. Why always thrice, dear Azrael? And now a new triumvirate of scavengers, picking over the devastation to see what prizes they can find.’
Azrael stood up to leave but Luther stood up also, eyes imploring.
‘Let Caliban die…’ he whispered. ‘Leave her in peace.’```(Luther is also known as the Dark Oracle to the Dark Angels)
cloud kindle
he really did lose the plot didnt he lol
open marsh
I misread. Azrael figured it out himself
‘What do you mean?’ said Ezekiel.
‘What if instead of us going back to warn the Lion of what was happening, Astelan and his allies went back ten thousand years and saved the Fallen from his retribution?’
‘By bringing them here, to the present…’ suggested Ezekiel.
‘Tharsis was to be the home world for the renegade Dark Angels?’ Cypher looked aghast at the suggestion, but soon he accepted the possibility. ‘The recruits, the gene-seed… More than thirty thousand renegade Dark Angels. He was founding a new Legion, but not from scratch.’
Azrael suddenly recognised the warning that Luther had been trying to give him. The Dark Oracle had not been spouting madness about Cypher, or the Lion, but about Astelan.```Damn it now Im confused
its 4am
well 4:30
I do love how much of a smart ass Cypher is
‘For the Legion…’ Cypher whispered.```and i bet after all was said and done he fucking vanished
i want to know how he does that trick
open marsh
Yeah. He waited until everyone was busy attacking the Ourboros, then booked it for the now unguarded ship
cloud kindle
when will they learn
hell he even escaped from the custodes
if i had to contain cypher i would make sure he is stripped down to nothing, thrice scanned, shoved into a stasis pod and then bolt that down 50 times and wrapped in chains
open marsh
I just love how, in this instance atleast. There were no special powers or him being there one moment and gone the next. Just good old fashioned running away when they werent looking
cloud kindle
and throw a few blanks in it for good measures
i imagine several guards were bonked for letting him get away again
do you think the dark angels just have several suits of cyphers armor just piled away somewhere?
unless they lock him in with his armor
hallow apex
He’s basically Batman
open marsh
He is also friends with the Watchers in the Dark
Watchers in the Dark, at least thirty of them.```
```Azrael turned at the sudden voice at his shoulder, hands rising to protect himself, but no attack came. Cypher rubbed feeling back into his wrists, his bonds laid out behind him on the bed and floor.
‘Not my doing,’ the Fallen said quickly, lifting his hands in surrender as Azrael took a step closer. ‘It was their act.’```Watchers in the dark can be scary i imagine, especially when you find at least 30 that are looking at you
cloud kindle
They pretty much are imperial jawas
except actually terrifying
visual pumice
Need more Slaught representation
vagrant osprey
The watchers are warp entities, and it's explicitly heretical to cohabitate with them the way Dark Angels do, but nobody ever accused the Dark Angels of NOT being hypocrites 
Same with the Space Wolves and their daemon dogs, but they're honest and deluded about it, so it's less hypocrisy and more just them being kinda dumb.
vagrant osprey
Yep
There are a few factions that can be regarded as 'good-ish', and more which are at least fit for purpose
The GK are literally insane, but they do their jobs well without causing too much collateral damage.
The Salamanders are... kinda burn happy, and dgaf about the Imperium, but they're the most staunch ally human people have.
The Lamenters are... the Lamenters, but they're likely the most good, noble, and pure faction out there.
hallow apex
Ultramarines are the goodest, noblest, and pure.
cerulean wagon
The GK are *literally insane*, but they do their jobs well without causing too m...
not too much
just kill entire worlds
for maybe having seen them possibly
vagrant osprey
Still a net positive, I think.
vagrant osprey
After all, the GK delete daemons from existence, instead of just banishing them.
coarse mirage
The watchers are warp entities, and it's explicitly heretical to *cohabitate* wi...
Not all warp things are evil and the dogmatic faith of the Ministorum saying so is just for the ignorant masses who can't properly handle Warp knowledge.
Celestine is a being of the Warp and so is the Legion of the Damned, no matter how you might want to twist it. It's why Greyfax was ready to kill Celestine at the start.
coarse mirage
just kill entire worlds
It's a lot of work to cleanse a world any other way and if you start sending in people to mop up after you, some other people are gonna start to see patterns and figure shit out. So you just go kaboom instead.
vagrant osprey
Not all warp things are evil and the dogmatic faith of the Ministorum saying so ...
Yes, but that's kinda not the point, isn't it?
Any contact with warp-things gets you purged, and the Dark Angels will do so without hesitation. Or even without any thoughts that the warp-thing in question might be an ally.
Kinda like how the Mechanicus has mandated death for all Silica Animus, but overlooks the "unusually strong machine spirits" of Landraiders
coarse mirage
Because most the time, warp things can't be controlled
And have ulterior or contrary motives
Even if appearing friendly
vagrant osprey
Rationalized hypocrisy is still hypocrisy, and makes their relationship with the Watchers all the more dubious
coarse mirage
Well that's 40k
vagrant osprey
Yep
I wish GW would stop tainting the few glints of light and hope in the galaxy.
They should have left the Tau as benevolent space hippies which were utterly irrelevant
You can't have a proper grimdark without hope, however doomed it might be, to make the shadows all the deeper
worn dagger
I just consider it all Anti-Tau Imperial propaganda lol.
coarse mirage
Yeah I'd like some niceness.
or everything just feels pointless
I mean that's grimdark but it's not fun to play with.
cerulean wagon
the tau were never benevolent tho
they were always fucked people just either didnt notice or chose to ignore it
there will never be a unified faction of hope, the glimmers of hope come from the individuals in the setting
worn dagger
Sounds like you have't had your daily quota of Greater Good lol
cerulean wagon
like the whole steralisation thing people say isnt cannon cause its DoW
when its also in a codex and in the deathwatch rulebooks
worn dagger
Yeah but didn't that come out after/around the whole mind/pheromone control thing they added when they started trying to make them darker?
cerulean wagon
dow was 2004-8, deathwatch was 2010 and i think the codex i found out about recently is one of their early ones
either the 1st or 2nd tau codex
tau only first existed as of... was it 2001?
so not long into their life span
worn dagger
I'm not 100% of course but I think that wasn't in the earliest editions, I think I have a old Codex somewhere that I got when thinking about getting a Tau army way back, but like I said can't be 100.
I think they always favored the class system between the different Tau but its been so long honesstly.
vagrant osprey
like the whole steralisation thing people say isnt cannon cause its DoW
In the DoW ending it was specifically written as a proposal for a temporary measure to reduce the effects of food shortages on a world with no agriculture left intact until food aid arrived, and until they could provide everybody with medical care.
cerulean wagon
that doesnt make it any less horrible lmao
odd sparrow
tbh i don't acknowledge the sterilisation thing purely cus it's dumb
and i don't see dumb things as canon
storm jungle
Considering how stupid the entire stance BL writers have with everything in lore being "whatever" i agree.
odd sparrow
like, how even was it written? as some temporary supressing thing?
as opposed to just the entire population of this planet will never reproduce
odd sparrow
Considering how stupid the entire stance BL writers have with everything in lore...
i maintain it's not stupid tbh
storm jungle
I just dont like it since it makes everything so complicated
odd sparrow
it's just a fancy way of saying make ur own headcanon we won't draw any lines
odd sparrow
it doesn't? Like, all it's saying is basically that there's no canon
everything is equally valid
odd sparrow
valid
storm jungle
odd sparrow
i'm just glad they didn't take like
the Star wars or whatever approach of having a whole fucking convention over what is and isn't canon. it's so grating
odd sparrow
imo if there's more than a few close knitted authors any attempt to create a single cohesive canon is sorta lame
for smthn of the scale of 40k anyways
storm jungle
especially being like 30+ years old
odd sparrow
ye
dim totem
playing some dow 2, the chaos campaign
why does eliphas, who's with the black legion have a plague champion?
storm jungle
Its been awhile since i played it but i think its suppose to be a "his own gang of buddies" kind of deal?
And probably an excuse for those nurgle units to be there in gameplay
dim totem
so that's not common?
i found it a bit confusing, but it's the same with the IG compaign that just has a combined army as well
but yeah this is weird, you can give eliphas an item called the mark of nurgle
cerulean wagon
why does eliphas, who's with the black legion have a plague champion?
because black legion is mixed chaos
their entire deal is chaos undivided
hallow apex
They’re not Chaos Undivided. They’re Chaos Egalitarian
vagrant osprey
that doesnt make it any less horrible lmao
... You DO realize that a significant percentage of women "chemically sterilize" themselves on an ongoing basis, right?
dim totem
ohh, i did not know that, about the black legion i mean not about the sterilization
cerulean wagon
... You DO realize that a significant percentage of women "chemically sterilize"...
thats not enforced sterilization
thats a choice
vagrant osprey
It is if you put it in the water.
cerulean wagon
vagrant osprey
Keep in mind that the Imperium's solution is to order the survivors to get production up immediately and leave them to eat each other.
cerulean wagon
plz stop mixing actual live volatile politics with the fantasy setting
dim totem
^
vagrant osprey
No food aid, they can always eat their dead.
This is still about the DoW Tau ending, though
You're saying it's horrible, but every time this comes up I hear no better solutions offered :V
dim totem
fools?
vagrant osprey
The thing that the Tau explicitly stated they were doing in the ending?
But shipping food takes time.
worn dagger
Space flight is also a lot slower for the Tau if I remember due to no Warp travel.
odd sparrow
forcefully sterilising large portions of the population is a ridiculous and grimderp way of combating starvation
cerulean wagon
like
rotund siren
yeah
cerulean wagon
people go "its the best option they have"
and its like
they have a planet
grow food
cerulean wagon
literally farm
odd sparrow
it was a ham fisted way to make the tau more grimdark
one of many, cus GW doesn't know how to handle the tau
cerulean wagon
"its the best option" doesnt make it any less grim
rotund siren
it's also really silly, because Agri-Worlds are implied to somehow feed whole other planets, of indeterminate distance away
rotund siren
so clearly lots of food has to be available regardless
cerulean wagon
thats a grum thing to do
vagrant osprey
You know their agriculture was explicitly destroyed in the game, right? Like, the fields were the battlefields.
rotund siren
depending on how long the ships take
rotund siren
or hydroponics
cerulean wagon
^
rotund siren
using plant pots?
odd sparrow
have they tried just not eating
rotund siren
there's a lot
odd sparrow
smh
rotund siren
lol
odd sparrow
god
i have a friend whose dad is like
a massive diet nutter. the sheer number of people who have an eating disorder but disguise it as diets
rotund siren
sheesh
rotund siren
or the sheer amounts of diets which are literally just eating disorders
rotund siren
so you don't eat, I see, I see
summer niche
fasting defi has some health benefits
big difference between fasting and starving yourself though
coarse mirage
The thing that the Tau *explicitly stated they were doing in the ending*?
Which also isn't canon. So it's fiiiiiiiine
barren tapir
That is not, but it is from deathwatch codex it seems
barren tapir
@odd sparrow
odd sparrow
thank
barren tapir
👍🏻
cerulean wagon
Which also isn't canon. So it's fiiiiiiiine
theres 3 other sources for where it happens
including a tau codex and deathwing
so they do do it, just not in that instance
open marsh
The watchers are warp entities, and it's explicitly heretical to *cohabitate* wi...
to be fair the DA have tried to deal with them. Those DA disappeared. They eventually gave up
storm jungle
Oooft i remember watching it on livestream during its release
1 hour long or so but its a good watch
open marsh
I didnt like the changes the filmmaker made
storm jungle
What were they?
open marsh
Like changing Big E's name from "Revelation" to "Apocolypse"
storm jungle
I saw a comment about that 1 sec
open marsh
Revelation is his avatar and pops up in other stories
open marsh
I saw a comment about that 1 sec
I know why he did it
open marsh
i just dont agree that it was a good or worthwhile idea
storm jungle
I couldnt care much about the changes he made tbh, the Last Church was in dire need of it.
Its one of the 40k novels for me that had a great premise that was fumbled by the writer a lot.
storm jungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNE35zDgc0
Last Church wasnt a great book sorry lol
rotund siren
Valve's reach is impressive
cerulean wagon
it was a good premise but was kinda shite
storm jungle
right back at ya
Anyway, why is it that bad? Feel free to lay it out since im curious
open marsh
double finger pistols, but they are actually plasma pistols
open marsh
Anyway, why is it that bad? Feel free to lay it out since im curious
Ill explain when brain isnt mush
vagrant osprey
Ok, look, The Last Church was great because it shows the Emperor using his powers to make a priest exceptionally bad at arguing against flawed theological claims.
At least, that's how I interpret it, since that way it makes sense :V
The alternative is that the writer did literally no research, and had the Emperor state serious factual errors that anybody with a basic education in theology would immediately call him on, which the priest just didn't notice because of bad writing.
storm jungle
So, Big E.
glass cairn
someone did a good animation of it which did it some justice
but i think the dialogue is just plain awful for the emperor
honestly for big brained E there are far better arguments than the ones the emperor made
im glad the priest calls him out at the end basically calling him a hypocrite
storm jungle
Yeah its what I noticed with the animation overall, like its really good? But when Big E's parts come in you can tell the creator couldnt stop the book's ugly head from coming in and poking through to the setup.
glass cairn
^^^
storm jungle
Its why i support the changes made
glass cairn
100%
storm jungle
And yeah i agree Echo, like if Big E wasnt written by some dude who clearly doesnt know how religion/atheism works im sure he'd have still made a flawed but MUCH understandable argument.
glass cairn
Its funny because serious philosophers of theology, especially atheist ones, dont even give any real focus to the issues the emperor raised
its more about metaphysics
and the problem of natural evil
open marsh
The alternative is that the writer did literally no research, and had the Empero...
Eh. The Emperor had a point and it can be boiled down to:
"Religion is made by people trying to explain things without knowing how they actually work. And then they kill each other over it. I am removing that so there is 1 less reason for humans to kill each other."
he just got himself backed into a corner saying "Yeah I wage wars, but I know I'm right."
glass cairn
I think the first premise is uncharitable god of the gaps nonsense; but i think the second one is more interesting
Phillips and Axelrod’s three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars documents 5 millennia worth of wars—1,763 total—only 123 (or about 7%) were religious
If you remove the 66 wars waged in the name of Islam, that number is cut down to a little more than 3%.
open marsh
Didnt say that Religions are the only cause of war
glass cairn
I mean i guess the emperor can still make the point
but i think religion is pretty low on the list of things to eradicate
especially when the things he pushes for tend to be a greater cause for conflict
storm jungle
Pretty much what I meant yep. But the animation showed the overall point well, which is the best part in the entire thing where Big E just goes "Because I KNOW I am right."
and thats when you're suppose to go "well shit"
open marsh
Yeah. Its like trying to argue with your parent. And even tho you were making some progress. They get annoyed and shut it down with "because I said so."
glass cairn
given his reason for becoming religious was viewing the emperor
open marsh
given his reason for becoming religious was viewing the emperor
That was part of the irony of the story
Its inteltional
glass cairn
I'd much rather a debate between the Adeptus Mechanicus and Big E
open marsh
Uriah was basically a proto-Lorgar
glass cairn
80 6GB ram logic processors dunking on Big E
open marsh
And the Emperor handled it almost exactly the same way he handled Lorgar, with similar results
Except Lorgar made sure that fire spread
cloud kindle
and then got beat up by corax
glass cairn
Cult Mechanicus is literally Christianity except a focus entirely on knowledge/God's attribute of Omniscience and nothing else
storm jungle
Its overall why I like the changes in the entire animation tbh
glass cairn
Stole the Holy Trinity
open marsh
I'd much rather a debate between the Adeptus Mechanicus and Big E
Big E handled them differently. Because they had guns. Alot of them. And multiple worlds already.
storm jungle
Having read the story again right before the premiere ill take it over the official material lol
cloud kindle
and also baneblades
glass cairn
honestly I'd think they'd win an argument
literally a race of cyborgs devoted to knowledge and logic and even they havent abandoned it
storm jungle
they just need to drop the dumb "uwu innovating bad"
glass cairn
^
storm jungle
since the entire point of the mechanicus is they're massive hypocrites lol
glass cairn
to be fair alot of that is due to the heresy
storm jungle
Yeee exactly
open marsh
since the entire point of the mechanicus is they're massive hypocrites lol
Kinda 40k in a shellnut
storm jungle
Yep.
glass cairn
i get the sense that before that they were pretty open to inventing new things
storm jungle
If admech were inventing non-stop it'd be absolutely mad
open marsh
i get the sense that before that they were pretty open to inventing new things
They were....to an extent.
open marsh
If admech were inventing non-stop it'd be absolutely mad
We'd have the Cybernetic Revolt all over again. Which avoiding that is exactly why even the old Mechanicum was very hestitant and slow on invention/innovation
storm jungle
well except for AI
👆
glass cairn
Traditions are there for a reason
glass cairn
as a traditionalist irl i get that
people dont always understand or remember or learn why some things are taboo
open marsh
ditch the AI
And then possibly go down a path of innovation that still causes similar is not worse problems. Like the Geller Device/Empyrean Bomb
storm jungle
And then possibly go down a path of innovation that still causes similar is not ...
🤷♀️
Still better than sitting and doing nothing
as annoying as it might be Primaris are a good example of that
mankind in 40k needs innovation in its current state more than ever
open marsh
Their slow invention/innovation wasnt because they feared AI specifically. Its because they feared creating something that caused just as many problems as the Men of Iron
glass cairn
which tbh is pretty responsible of them
open marsh
^
open marsh
^^^^^^^^
open marsh
mankind in 40k needs innovation in its current state more than ever
Now. On the flipside. By 40k, they have gone too far in the opposite direction. With older tech-priests, like Cawl, pointing out that a quest for knowledge, but its responible use has devolved into simple banal worship of a machine's function
Their slow, but careful method of progress having stopped and actually regressed. With more knowledge being lost than gained
Old Mechanicum:
- Find ancient tech
- Carefully test and inspect tech to make sure it will be a benefit and not a danger to everything
- If yes, then reverse engineer the tech to learn how to make it. If no, archive it for further study so that a defense can be made against it.
- make the copies. test to ensure copies dont cause any issues.
- If no problems detected, formally adopt the tech
- start working on improvements to tech, run through same problem checks.
- repeat step 6
- repeat step 7
40k Mechanicus:
- Find ancient tech
- Archive it so others cant mess with it
- Look at the pretty thing
storm jungle
40k Mechanicus:
1. Find ancient tech
2. Archive it so others cant mess with it
3...
Also hoard some alien shit here and there sometimes because its pretty neat
open marsh
Old Mechanicum did that too
And were even more common about it
Hence why Cawl just uses Necron tech like any other tech
storm jungle
The gramps is always at it
open marsh
And some innovation still happened in M41, even before Cawl popped back up
Like the Ordinatus Armageddon. The planet's defenders needed a really big gun. And just so happened that a void ship with a nova cannon crashed on it.
A magos was like "Nova cannon.....dats more than a sufficiently big gun. Imma strap grav-plates to it and make it a tank"
storm jungle
When orks are pretty much up their necks i cant blame them
crisp heath
Any lore’s exist of a grot warband?
open marsh
Any lore’s exist of a grot warband?
DA RED GOBBO, YA GIT
crisp heath
ENTIRELY GROTS
open marsh
DA GREAT GRETCHIN REVOLUTION
Gretchin Revolutionary Committee (GRC or just Da Kommitte)
crisp heath
Yesssss this is what i fucken need
open marsh
Fun fact. They are democratic
With the "Red Gobbo" being a temporary office, with a term limit. When the current Red Gobbo's limit is reached (or they are killed), the leaders of the GRC vote for a new Red Gobbo
crisp heath
Short kings forever
open marsh
When orks are pretty much up their necks i cant blame them
Yeah. when shit gets rough, they will innovate. But not all results are so good. Like the Empyrean Bomb. Which is an excellent example of why the Mechanicum/Mechanicus was always so slow in invention
It was intended to be a way to clear warp storms.
storm jungle
Was it a space-nuke that didnt work properly?
open marsh
But the Forgeworld that created it didnt run it through the normally extremely strict and lengthy (sometimes decades or centuries long) tests
It cleared a warp storm....by moving it over the forgeworld. Engulfing the planet in the warp and corrupting it utterly
open marsh
And then another forgeworld found the STC patterns they had made for it
And they used it too....same result
open marsh
Basically the bomb would just move the warp storm to the world that deployed it. How it did that is unknown
open marsh
A Magos Explorator from that 2nd lost world had working brain cells and was like "Yep....deleting that shit."
And erased every copy of the STC from every database
rotund siren
good move
open marsh
But its an example of why the Mechanicum/Mechanicus is normally extremely slow and careful with invention.
To avoid things like that
serene jungle
so like the Dwarves in Fantasy?
open marsh
I guess? I dont know much about Fantasy/AoS. I focus on 40k lore
serene jungle
Like the Engineerers guild and Dwarves in general don't want new inventions, despite humans telling them to get their shit together (but dwarves retort with not shipping any backup in terms of tech when that happens), because of how Skaven are constantly innovating new stuff that most of the time does explode but changes war quite handily
If they have a functioning, lets say, gun that does a specific thing
They won't allow its usage or mass reproduction of it, if it hasn't been tested for a minimum of 100 years
open marsh
Yeah pretty much that
serene jungle
They can make a normal cannon with loaded cannonballs, but have an automatic loader for it as an extra placement
lets say just a regular crank that rotates and ships it like a bowlingball court
it can work, 110%, be efficient, save time, save lives and just be fantastic
but they w ill at no point ever trust its use, what if it breaks down in the middle of a fight despite the simplicity and quality of materials and having it be even more sturdier due to runes?
Unless that one copy has seen at least 100 years of testing
and even then it's not even guaranteed it will be used, iirc the latest invention that was accepted had a 500 year "trial" period
open marsh
Yep. That sounds like the Mechanicum/Mechanicus
serene jungle
But at least the only ones with sense in Warhammer were the Slayers somewhat
They want to die a glorious death but settling grudges for them was like = efficiency
Since they accepted the use of a machine that rapid-fires axes
They saw one use and went "yupp, it might not be a glorious death but settling grudges are better"
open marsh
Like a STC for a new chemical composition of military-grade paint took several hundred years to be approved for use
serene jungle
Whats with that long trial period anyway
It's as if 365 days, every single hour testing it out wasn't enough
open marsh
Because when you create/find several new things, you arent testing each individual one at all times
Plus any other duties you have to attend to
serene jungle
I mean a dwarf would rather cave in support beams than to trust it if it was recently placed there for, well, you know obvious reasons
And I laughed out loud when Engineer Bardin has a conversation about specifically that in Vermintide
Oh it ISN'T the EXACT design as it is back home? NEWFANGLED UMGAK
despite the designs being adapted to accommodate where it was placed
open marsh
The reason the Mechanicus started inventing less and less also came down to religious dogma
As, by 40k, the idea is becoming: "Oh. You found a STC. A gift of knowledge to us from our god....and you "improved" it? So you are saying you think you know more than god?"
serene jungle
Yeah sounds about right
Dwarves will only ever invent something that is remotely better than what the other races has created if they get uh
Well, there is a good term for it, but otherwise just angry or antsy about what x or y made
Like say if a skaven ratling volley is mowing them down in a specific location, they might make anywhere between 10-20 miniguns on that day just to "show them how its really done"
And then immediately melt or destroy the invention after its use and never consider it again
Heck steamtanks were made by the humans, the dwarves were like "THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO IT" and made their totally own original one
technologically conservative
"you think you know better than US" or "you think you know better than an ancestor who tried it 1000 years ago?"
The Engineerers guild spends years inventing stuff but they never get them out since it needs to span generations; and so why they are inventing less comes down to them just thinking the things every other manling races has made aren't reliable enough since they aren't hundreds of years old and didn't last the ages (i.e they expect your invention to last instead of making new things)
open marsh
So anti-apple
Where Apple just sells you the same shit. Calls it new. and it breaks after a couple of years
And if it doesnt break as designed, they make it break
cloud kindle
hell i left my android on the roof of my car and it fell off on a main highway as i was going 100kms
still works
with barely a chip on the screen
open marsh
Yup
cloud kindle
lost the case for it but it did its job and i honored it by buying the exact same case
open marsh
I usually have phones that last for years. Never having a broken screen.
The EU just released rules for tech that it has to last 10 years and must be repairable without proprietary tools
rotund siren
nice
open marsh
Yep
It only benefits the company making it. Since they get to bilk customers for more money, while making everyone else have to deal with the cleanup of the material waste
rotund siren
yep
plus, making tech is, in and of itself, massively damaging to the environment; like, sure, broken tech being thrown away is bad, but using all that energy and making all that pollution mining, refining, and manufacturing the resources to make the tech, only to make something that lasts barely more than a year? awful
open marsh
Yep
Where as, if you make it last, then less resources and energy are used, and less pollution is made
open prairie
so the fresco of the knight and the dragon on the ceiling of the church
isnt that the emperor and the void dragon?
the fight that is explained in mechanicus by the old guardian?
open prairie
then he banished it to mars
open marsh
Atleast he was merciful and didnt banish it to Brazil
open prairie
the noctis labyrinth i think
which is why no tech works there
fuck imagine if he sent it to detroit
life ruined
open marsh
Detroit would get improved
open prairie
theres no coming back from that
when was the emperor born?
does he live among us?
open marsh
when was the emperor born?
Roughly 8,000 B.C.
open marsh
does he live among us?
yes
crisp heath
amogus
vagrant osprey
If the Emperor lives among us then he has seen 40k and has zero excuses for making all the mistakes he already had no excuse for making.
vagrant osprey
Thus justifying any and all desires people have for punching him in the face.
crisp heath
ashen zenith
does he live among us?
That would be kinnda sus if he did
storm jungle
That would be kinnda sus if he did
shut up lol
barren tapir
No slap?? I'm impressed
storm jungle
Its early in the day, im lazy
barren tapir
Isn't like, 15:00 where you are?
summer niche
ashen zenith
No slap?? I'm impressed
I think shes warming up to the best meme of the year :)
storm jungle
I think shes warming up to the best meme of the year :)
Like i said im not, I'm just lazy
storm jungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5_hN06D6w4
also this
rotund siren
"Larry!"
plucky moth
that video is what it's like having greek/turkish family
big ol' smack over the head
barren tapir
Look, i could understand everyone being slapped, but the cat was to be left alone
barren tapir
Because that was the dark age of rogue trader
plucky moth
CustYOOOdes
cunning lantern
crisp heath
awwww
the kroot is really sad
He gains knowledge of the dead from eating them and sees it as a sign of respect
now hes lonely 😢
vagrant osprey
Ok, so, Emps was in Commoragh when Slaanesh was born, and watching her birth turned him off from women forever
But Emps still goes hard in everything he does, so scantily clad buff oiled men.
dim totem
Understandable
vagrant osprey
The idea of Emps spending 5,000 years hitchhiking back to earth is hilarious to me.
crisp heath
why are the custodes in speedos and shirtless
It's old lore from Rogue trader that they gave up their armor out of shame for failing the Emperor
99% of everything from Rogue Trader isn't canon anymore
open marsh
The way rogue trader works in comparison to 40k is: "Its not canon anymore unless its recanonized"
Like the Venus Mantraps
Think of 1e/Rogue Trader being an old busted down (beyond repair) machine that GW can pulls parts from for 40k if needed
crisp heath
bring back rogue trader leman russ plz
Also Zoats
Zoats were stricken from canon until Blackstone Fortress reintroduced them with new origins
Squats amazingly were not, but were reduced to such low numbers they're rarely seen anymore
open marsh
crisp heath
LOL
plucky moth
rotund siren
corgi beastman would be murderous on cuteness alone
signal hill
or completely disfigured abominations
limpid hedge
Why not both?
supple plume
I want Squats back ...
wasn't there a report or rumor about an unidentified ship, which had the markings of or some intercepted transmission about squats a few months ago?
open marsh
wasn't there a report or rumor about an unidentified ship, which had the marking...
Yes
Also Squats are already back. In part. Two are mercenaries in Necromunda
cloud kindle
^
Dw we will prob kill both in the new necromunda game
Just so gw can clean up that loose end
supple plume
how about a united nation of squats and ratlings called the Hob Union
vagrant osprey
I hope the Necromunda game has giant rats in the sump who just stand around and watch the battles.
Just as an easter egg
cloud kindle
You get close to them and you hear the rat movie theme faintly in the background
open marsh
Well Necromunda has Skaven. Would be an excellent thing if they included an easter egg that further pushes that
potent swift
Sicnce Hobbies is on a DnD trip, here's the Celestian Sacresant.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/UZvFGlclsrs6IrCt-665x665.jpg
visual pumice
it was posted in there before anyway
storm jungle
Still a good repost because sexy halberd
visual pumice
wearing a fence aswell
open marsh
I like that GW is realizing that whoever scuplts SoB model heads kinda sucks at faces so are advertising SoBs with their helmets on more and more
potent swift
it was posted in there before anyway
Damn work, making me miss the good stuff. I skimmed Hobbies and I didn't see it, weird.
final seal
Sicnce Hobbies is on a DnD trip, here's the Celestian Sacresant.
https://www.war...
nice skimboard
coarse mirage
SHe's got the pantsu on
peak hamlet
NoOoOo A hAlBeRt iSn'T uSeD oNe HaNdEd!1!!
open marsh
SHe's got the pantsu on
peak hamlet
What can i say except fuck you
I cant unsee it now
You just ruined them for me :'(
open marsh
peak hamlet
😭
coarse mirage
open marsh
which one
crisp heath
There's more than one!?
open marsh
There are short stories
open marsh
and the liber xenology book is written (in universe) by the rogue trader from blackstone fortress
open marsh
there is a short story featuring UR-025
crisp heath
it felt like a RPG campaign in a haunted house in the 40k universe
really stands apart from any 40k book ive ever read
in a good way tho
open marsh
crisp heath
was a little sad that the ratlings werent in it
O WAIT
SEQUEL
!!!!!!!!!!!!
im gonna fucking scream~!!!!!!!!!!!!
LETS GO!
novel fulcrum
I like that GW is realizing that whoever scuplts SoB model heads kinda sucks at ...
i honestly really like the sob helmet, personally, even if i've just had it revealed to me that it can easily look like a pair of panties being worn over their head
open marsh
LET'S FUCKIN' GOOOOOOOOOOO
prime kernel
crisp heath
There are super ancient mega-ships in the 40k universe. No one knows who built them, they defy all physics and reason, but everyone is drawn there for weird reasons no one can properly explain.
Janus is a disgraced terran Rogue Trader who thinks if he gets into this secret vault in the Blackstone, he’ll he be able to restore his place as a terran noble.
gaunt vector
Sicnce Hobbies is on a DnD trip, here's the Celestian Sacresant.
https://www.war...
mmmmmmm power weapons
formal saffron
I wonder why they don't use bug spray for 'nids
open marsh
nids adapt to the spray
vast frigate
more aggressive spray leads to more aggressive nids
worn dagger
There are however toxins/mutagins that the Empire regularly retailor to use agianst the Nids as they adapt like Hellfire Rounds, its been awhile but I think there were other Marine/Guard munitions/explosives that were tailored for Nids as well. Acid tends to work well.
jagged aurora
NERD
karmic blaze
anyone else stoked for the recent titanicus releases?
coarse mirage
There are however toxins/mutagins that the Empire regularly retailor to use agia...
Imperium
storm jungle
Yeah he has
And some other characters too but its like really one and a few between
This thread might help
ashen zenith
Man why is nurgle so based
rotund siren
didn't the person who made the devices that Noise Marines use as weapons visit Slaanesh's Palace?
open marsh
has any human actually seen a chaos god?
Horus did
The Sons of Malice have seen Malice. Summoned him into the Materium even
cloud kindle
and then died to him yeah
open marsh
no they didnt
barren tapir
Ok, simple question: are galvanic weapons a form of projectile weapons? I haven't found clear designation, but by their descriptions they are imo
barren tapir
Yeah, that is what i was saying, they are explained as projectile, but aren't part of the list of projectile weapons, so i was unsure... Especially seeing the awkward way GW categorize weapons
serene jungle
I me an it shoots a bolt of lightning you can see, so probably like a heavy plasma cannon
ofc, not in the same scale
barren tapir
Oh, i mean projectile weapon as it shooting a solid chunk of metal
rotund siren
I think projectile weapons are just supposed to be bullet gun and bullet gun adjacent
barren tapir
Arc weapons are for sure not solid projectile weapons, since they shoot bolts of energy
rotund siren
yeah
barren tapir
But galvanic seems to be a mix, they shoot a metal bullet, but have also some energy proprieties
open marsh
Galvanic rifles basically fire miniturized EMP grenades as bullets
serene jungle
Galvanic implies that whatever shot it out, went through a process of becoming super charged
open marsh
Yeh.
The bullets are charged with electric energy, that is discharged when it hits the target
Discharging so much that it fries everything
Making them EMP bullets that can fry a human's nervous system
worn dagger
They've been used in other stuff like as an upgrade in CP 2020 as an example, but with the steampunk style I wonder if they used Leyden Rifles from 20,000 Leagues as inspiration.
barren tapir
CP stand for cyberpunk?
vagrant osprey
Technically speaking, the electron imbalance on those should actually cause them to explode instantly. :V
open marsh
They've been used in other stuff like as an upgrade in CP 2020 as an example, bu...
Mechanicus are steampunk/dieselpunk. So its more they are generic "Jules Vern" style
vagrant osprey
(Or ionize the atmosphere around them to bring themselves back down to neutral, resulting in them dissipating all their energy in a sheath of plasma. Technically the projectile wouldn't explode, it would be the air around it exploding and melting the projectile.)
open marsh
(Or ionize the atmosphere around them to bring themselves back down to neutral, ...
The rounds are said to fry the systems of what it strikes
barren tapir
The rounds are said to fry the systems of what it strikes
Those are the arc weapons
open marsh
So its an electrical discharge, not a plasma one
vagrant osprey
I am aware. I am talking about physics.
open marsh
sighs and gets up to go to his laptop to get the excerpt because he doesnt feel like arguing
vagrant osprey
I am stating that if they work as described, physics says what would happen.
worn dagger
Surprised we haven't seen more squid/octo mech stuff for the AdMech army, although I have seen some really cool conversions for underwater Ironstriders using Maulerfiend tentacles.
vagrant osprey
There are several different ways to do the same thing, some of which we use IRL, but that is not one of them.
TAZER shotgun slugs, for example.
barren tapir
Surprised we haven't seen more squid/octo mech stuff for the AdMech army, althou...
Take a look at the hobbies channel, there @vast frigate has shown some of his hombrew acquatic skitarii
open marsh
@barren tapir
vast frigate
i mostly dablle in robots and diving suits
but i am working on turbo dakka for my skittles
and of course, characters and the like
barren tapir
<@!468892762096271370>
Yeah, i know... What is your point?
vagrant osprey
That excerpt is not what was described.
open marsh
Yeah, i know... What is your point?
You said that only arc rifles fry what they hit
vagrant osprey
Wait, wait, wait... >of the target
vast frigate
Do note that my custom lore has some leeway given as it is a full planet of stable mutants
vagrant osprey
Shit, don't shoot a fucking moon with those things.
barren tapir
Nope, i said that the description of arc rifles fry the enemies brains, galvanic rifles state that they have an electric discharge when hit the enemies
open marsh
Nope, i said that the description of arc rifles fry the enemies brains, galvanic...
"that causes all the potential energy of the target to burn out"
aka
it fries them
vagrant osprey
The excerpt right there says it converts potential energy to electricity.
barren tapir
Eh, that is semantic regarding to the Nuclear medic reply
vagrant osprey
Specifically, the potential energy of the target.
This, as described, sets a system to the ground state and releases the difference as electricity.
So the projectile is NOT charged. It's exotic.
barren tapir
The rounds are said to fry the systems of what it strikes
They discharge with a loud crack, firing a bolt of blue-white electricity that can fry a man's brain or overload a warmachine's circuits in seconds.
This is the description of arc weapons
vagrant osprey
Also, terrifying and makes no physical sense. It would be nice if it narrowed down the scope of "potential energy", but oh well.
Oh, that sounds like an electrolaser
Use a laser to induce atmospheric blooming, run a few gigavolts of current through the plasma channel caused by the bloom, make your target complete the circuit.
worn dagger
@vast frigate Yeah I remembered the last time you talked about your army when I was reading about the Pelagar aquatic abhumans. Was wondering if they were involved.
vast frigate
Ah yeah.
open marsh
> They discharge with a loud crack, firing a bolt of blue-white electricity that...
Yeh they do the same thing is different ways. The galvanic rifle by charging the round (galvanizing it), which then discharges the stored energy into the target. The arc rifle by just firing a lightning bolt at the target
barren tapir
Also, terrifying and makes no physical sense. It would be nice if it narrowed do...
I think it is more like: bullet with high electrical energy, hit stuff, release that energy, so a little electrical "explosion"
vast frigate
its dark age tech
open marsh
I think it is more like: bullet with high electrical energy, hit stuff, release ...
That is correct
vast frigate
we know very little about it due to the fuckboi archivists being inconsistent, but we luckily know a lot of it by practice and output
vagrant osprey
That would be a bit like balancing a giant pencil on the tip while loading it into a gun and firing it at the target.
open marsh
its dark age tech
Actually. its not. Its post-Old Night
barren tapir
Yeh they do the same thing is different ways. The galvanic rifle by charging the...
Probably, i think they are still different, but cannot explain in a reasonable manner now their differences
vast frigate
Actually. its not. Its post-Old Night
Oh fuck i thought they were the rad carbines, my bad
barren tapir
That would be a bit like balancing a giant pencil on the tip while loading it in...
They get charged by the gun while shooting i think
vast frigate
i read Explosion on face and high energy
open marsh
Galvanic Rifles were made after the founding of the Mechanicum, and Arc Rifles were made at the very start of the Great Crusade
vagrant osprey
My theory is that DAoT weapons do things in the stupidest way possible because they're actually bar bets and toys instead of weapons.
barren tapir
I would really see galvanic weapons being from the Age of Tech TBH
open marsh
Oh fuck i thought they were the rad carbines, my bad
Granted. There were lightning guns during the DAoT. The military forces on Olympia still had them
vagrant osprey
They get charged by the gun while shooting i think
Yes. Charging something with enough energy to kill somebody is a bit like balancing a giant pencil on its tip. Then then shoot it through a medium that should instantly disperse the charge.
Lightning guns make physical sense, though :V
open marsh
Yes. Charging something with enough energy to kill somebody is a bit like balanc...
See. you are applying real world logic to 40k and expecting it to overtake the Rule of Cool
vagrant osprey
I'm not expecting that at all.
I'm pointing out that 40k is scifi so soft you could cut it with butter.
open marsh
I'm pointing out that 40k is scifi so soft you could cut it with butter.
....yes?
And?
vagrant osprey
People keep saying 40k is "hard scifi", and that pisses me off is all
open marsh
Roll with the magic electric boolets
open marsh
People keep saying 40k is "hard scifi", and that pisses me off is all
Here is how to shut them down:
Warp
barren tapir
Yes. Charging something with enough energy to kill somebody is a bit like balanc...
That is the thing, i don't expect the bullets to be loaded with so much energy to kill, it is more something added to the already killing power of the solid bullet
open marsh
You cannot have something like the Warp and all its literally magic shit, in a "hard scifi"
40k isnt even scifi (science fiction), its scifa (science fantasy)
open marsh
Least we forget the Eldar. Who make everything by growing it like plants from basically concentrated magic
vagrant osprey
People thinking "hard scifi" means "gritty scifi"
open marsh
Yeah, no. They dont understand what that means
vast frigate
Granted. There *were* lightning guns during the DAoT. The military forces on Oly...
yeah
open marsh
reminds me of the Inquisitor Martyr expansion: Prophecy.
They made a plasma caliver fire like an arc rifle
I raged
open marsh
Yeah
worn dagger
Was watching vids for the Battle Sister VR game and the Melta acts like a shotgun.
open marsh
despite the fact that calivers are very obviously just long plasma guns??
They are superior plasma guns. They are basically plasma blasters (same stats).
and they are pilot light plasma
The superior aesthetic
vs
vagrant osprey
They made a plasma caliver fire like an arc rifle
THAT is the thing about Inquisitor Martyr/Prophecy that got to you?
Not the protag ||taking a tech priest into their retinue who created a daemonhost and unleashed it ||?
odd sparrow
i've always loved the plasma caliver models
open marsh
Not the protag ||taking a tech priest into their retinue who created a daemonhos...
||geez. almost like radical inquisitors are a thing||
odd sparrow
like. how easily you can see how it works, with batteries and chemical fuel both plugged into the gun and also in the skitarii backpack for storage
we stan
vagrant osprey
||Even as a Puritan, you HAVE to let him join up. No other option||
||He wasn't even doing it because an Inquisitor ordered it. He was a straight-up heretek with possible Dark Mechanicum ties.||
open marsh
||Even as a Puritan, you HAVE to let him join up. No other option||
||Gameplay / story segregation||
vagrant osprey
||That's not gameplay and story segregation, since that's literally all story with no gameplay element. Gameplay and story segregation is why I'm not talking about how I killed more Word Bearers in my main story run than they ever had members.||
open marsh
||shrug I had no issue with it||
vagrant osprey
||How about the Drukari conquering and holding an Imperium world, instead of their hit-and-run tactics? How about them SAYING HER NAME?||
open marsh
||How about the Drukari conquering and holding an Imperium world, instead of the...
gets the spray bottle "Down boy, dooowwwnnn"
barren tapir
Why are you spolierning all you say??
cerulean wagon
because it contains game spoilers
barren tapir
Really?
open marsh
I tend to care less about how an individual character acts. Since its 40k. People run the gambit.
Especially Inquisitors
This reminds me when people were raging that Inquisitor Draxus was using an Eldar Shuriken Pistol
open marsh
As for an Inquisitior ||hiring on a heretekical Tech-Priest, who made a daemonhost. I guess you have never read the Eisenhorn series||
cerulean wagon
u wont get shot for it immediatly unless you bump into someone who knows and cares enough to fix it
barren tapir
i mean fuck, gangers use xeno tech
Like kroot rifles in necromunda lol
open marsh
Plus Inquisitors get special permission to do this kind of stuff
cerulean wagon
ehh sorta
open marsh
(notice the purity seals on the pistol. Its been sanctified)
cerulean wagon
their permission is dont show dont tell
as long as you dont declare you are summoning demons its fine
people might side eye you a bit but its only if they have it 100% confirmed are they gonna excomunnicate you
open marsh
as long as you dont *declare* you are summoning demons its fine
and depends on the other inquisitors around. Some will give the thumbs up, others might be loading their bolt pistol
open marsh
yeh
vagrant osprey
||Inquisitors get to do stuff that's extreme heresy, and get to tell people to do stuff that's extreme heresey. A tech priest creating a Daemonhost and letting it loose on a world because an Inquisitor told them to? That's shitty, but fine. The tech priest doing it because they just wanted to unleash an unbound daemonhost on a world? That's just straight-up treason||
open marsh
Inquisitors run the full spectrum. Its not so cut and dry as people seem to think
vagrant osprey
||The tech priest was researching if people who cast-out daemons on their own were immune to daemons afterwards. Because they wanted to research it. They just let the failed experiments run free||
open marsh
||The tech priest was researching if people who cast-out daemons on their own we...
||And? Welcome to Inquisitional level fuckery||
vagrant osprey
||He WASN'T WITH the Inquisition! After he told them what they needed to know, he should have been shot. Tech Priests are replaceable.||
worn dagger
Yeah lot of rules like those on Xenotech def just fall away for the powerful, like I think most Digi weapons used by Inquisitors or the Rich & Powerful are Xenotech.
open marsh
||He WASN'T WITH the Inquisition! After he told them what they needed to know, h...
||Not really||
atomic pelican
this chat reads like a CIA document
cerulean wagon
Yeah lot of rules like those on Xenotech def just fall away for the powerful, li...
jokaero yeah
open marsh
Yeah lot of rules like those on Xenotech def just fall away for the powerful, li...
The Rogue Trader from Blackstone Fortress regularly treats with xenos and uses xenos tech, without eve trying to hide it. Even hanging out with Inquisitors. No issue
Like his preferred sidearm is a Dark Eldar pistol
worn dagger
Yeah RT's can regularly employ Xenos, even Inquisitors will use Xenos like Jokaero
I'ed like to think of a RT just stamping an Aquila onto a Orks forehead, and is just like see everything's fine.
vagrant osprey
The Rogue Trader from Blackstone Fortress regularly treats with xenos and uses x...
Yeah, they're allowed to do that.
The Emperor's Writ says they can :V
open marsh
The Emperor's Writ says they can :V
....almost like there are exceptions to rules and just because someone does something "bad" doesn't mean they are gonna get blammed
vast frigate
The Emperor's Writ says they can :V
theyre allowed to, doewsnt mean they WILL
read up on the paths within the rogue trader nobility, they have a lot of different opinions
vagrant osprey
That statement kinda doesn't make sense in context, Elyksis
vast frigate
It does,
Just because a rogue trader is allowed to use xenos tech, doesnt mean he will
or she, w/e
vagrant osprey
No, I mean it was a discussion explicitly over what people are and are not allowed to do, not about how often people do it.
crisp heath
What happened the emperor’s thunder warriors?
vagrant osprey
He had the Custodes kill them, then had his Astartes hunt down and kill the survivors
vagrant osprey
Because he's an ass?
cerulean wagon
because the thunder warriors were unstable
vagrant osprey
They were a hodgepodge of slapped together genetech and glands.
cerulean wagon
and had a habbit of getting aggressive and killing people
vagrant osprey
He could have very easily solved this problem but he wanted to move on to his new toy instead of fixing his old toy.
That is kinda his thing.\
crisp heath
because the thunder warriors were unstable
Oh well that makes sense
storm jungle
Yeah Big E didnt have much resources to spare for them
and they were pretty much ironically mass produced akin to the space marines
and the thunder warriors were always made to conquer terra and never go beyond it, their biology was basically killing them at a rapid pace so as scummy as Big E killing them was they were going to die sooner or later anyway, its a pretty morbid perspective. He did honor them by intercepting a comet and turning it into a monument for unification though
but small gestures so not like thats really too meaningful
crisp heath
he grabbed a comet out of space and turned it into a statue? lol
crisp heath
lol
storm jungle
so every few years it passes by and can be seen on terra its a historic occassion, that kinda thing
vagrant osprey
Big E could have prevented the problem completely just by telling them at the start that they would be unstoppable killing machines that brought peace and order to Terra, and have an amazing decade or so before weird cancers and insanity drove them mad and required they be put down.
Then instead of having the Custodes kill them, give them the choice between fighting to dominate the galaxy or retiring to die in peace.
cerulean wagon
cant really die in peace if you are insane
vagrant osprey
Basically none of them would have turned it down.
Nah, you promise them a swift death once they go crazy.
They'd cause minor problems, but they can't make more of themselves.
storm jungle
They'd just rebel
vagrant osprey
Yeah, and die off pretty fucking fast.
storm jungle
Same thing, I wouldnt have really told them the truth either. They're unpredictable as shit.
vagrant osprey
That's why you tell them the truth before you make them Thunder Warriors.
cerulean wagon
"oh btw i know your loyal but im going to make u stronger and kill you in 10 years, that chill?"
vagrant osprey
The Thunder Warriors turned on Emps because he didn't tell them shit.
cerulean wagon
im sure thatd go down well
vagrant osprey
They expected they would be living in the paradise they were supposed to be making.
Their Primarch even said as much. They weren't afraid of dying, they were pissed that they were deceived.
storm jungle
The Thunder Warriors turned on Emps *because* he didn't tell them shit.
Not really
They were just rebellious from the get-go
they just had targets to take it out on
vagrant osprey
Ehhh... I'd call 'em more unruly than rebellious.
storm jungle
- He just is
- Its Amriagiath's art
these two facts on his handsomeness cant be ignored
open marsh
vast frigate
Look at him
either an absolute super twunk
or a beefcake
And he can fucking choose
storm jungle
vast frigate
Yes
One moment hes ''Your son calls me dad'' and the other moment he calls you dad
in both cases im molten chocolate
cloud kindle
Yes inquisitor id like to report a potential slaaneshi cult
odd sparrow
the sizable individual
vast frigate
Yes inquisitor id like to report a potential slaaneshi cult
Silence yourself
i am not a robot
i am no cultist
i am merely, horni for red man
vast frigate
I am bullet proof you idiot remarkably unobservant person
vast frigate
No comments
coarse mirage
Would've been great if Thousand Sons remained loyal
Are there any psyker heavy chapters?
whole vigil
Grey Knights
cloud kindle
grey knights are all psykers
blood ravens have unusual high amount of psykers
blood angels have librarian dreadnoughts
open summit
Exorcists might be highly psychic.
toxic marlin
While not psyker heavy, the Soul Drinkers had a very powerful psyker. Don't know if the reborn primaris chapter has any though.
novel fulcrum
the exorcists aren't particularly psyker-heavy afaik; their claims to fame are being highly resistant to possession and impossible to detect through the use of uh, whatever the 40k equivalent to witchsight would be
another chapter that does take their psykers very seriously compared to others are the silver skulls
their librarians frequently consult the emperor's tarot, and divine their likely outcomes before they happen, often choosing not to engage in battles that are disadvantageous if at all possible
the problem is that the astartes are honor-bound to defend humanity, so there's occasions where the librarians foresee defeat and failure, and the chapter must fight anyway, knowing how fate will run its course
crisp heath
When do you guys think them Thousand Son's will get updated lol
shell pebble
With Chaos maybe
shell pebble
Gimme Thousand Son hired guns/mutants
crisp heath
Graham McNiell is the senior writer for League of Legends, going under the name "Dinopawz".
vagrant osprey
I can't tell if that's bullshit or legit. This fucking timeline.
vagrant osprey
Well, shit.