40k-lore-chat

[open marsh]

Id assume it would just get blown out when the person exhaled or started coughing

[shell pebble]

Yeah that also is a big factor

[final seal]

wouldnt some spores still retain in the lung

[cloud kindle]

immune system would prob kill it

[final seal]

stuck in the sticky fluid

[shell pebble]

It may but its also very likely to just get coughed out

[cloud kindle]

eventually just absorbed into the system

[final seal]

cough everything out

?

[shell pebble]

Id imagine most

Im not sure how well one spore would survive against an immune system but Id imagine they're fairly resistant to infections and such so it may at least cause a bit of a ruckus before dying from the body or from the lack of nutrients

Id imagine however spores would grow fine on corpses

Since the spores seem to grow practically anywhere

[final seal]

dark, and moist

[shell pebble]

Basically anywhere

[open marsh]

It's like pollen. Pollen doesn't get stuck in your lungs. You exhale it out or cough it out

[shell pebble]

Tbf it was possible for a fir tree to grow in someone's lung so its possible for a fungal spore to get stuck in

Now how long would that thing grow, probably not long

[open marsh]

A seed is heavier than pollen

[shell pebble]

Yeah exactly

And that wasnt coughed out

[open marsh]

...because a seed is heavier

[shell pebble]

You'd try 100x harder to get that out

[open marsh]

Before I start feeling the need to beat you with one of my medical books, on the subject of fungal spores, they will only grow if the immune system is weakened

https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/infections/fungal-infections/aspergillosis#:~:text=Aspergillosis is infection%2C usually of,chest pain%2C and difficulty breathing.

[shell pebble]

Do it

Beat me with one of your medical books

[shell pebble]

Nice.

Anyway

[crisp heath]

Yallmst

I watched the last church today

[open marsh]

The short story was better. The flimmaker made too many creative liberities

[crisp heath]

And im upset that all the criticisms of “E’s arguments were bad” were true-

Oh

Well now i gotta read more

[shell pebble]

This could mean the average person that isnt in the guard exposed to ork spores could become infected in the lungs

I say average person not in the guard cuz most of the people out in the Imperium are fairly poor and do sweatshop work

[open marsh]

Not unless they have a severe immuno-deficiency issue. Like cancer or aids

For Aspergillosis, "weakened immune system" isnt "you didnt eat enough and are overworked/underweight. This is "your immune system is next to non-existent due to a severe medical condition

[shell pebble]

Yeah but then again, that's Aspergillosis and not Ork spore fungus

Ultimately we can only apply so much of what we know of human-fungal infections on the inside of the body before it just becomes "It just works cuz sci fi"

Like I dont know, the fungus could be opportunistic but there's so little info on it other than the ork variant likes to grow in shaded area, that ork spores in general are really resilient and come in all shapes and sizes

[ashen zenith]

i just thought it would be funny if an ork grew inside a human and as the human died the ork ate all the mush inside and wore his skin to blend into humans u dont have to fight

[shell pebble]

It would be!

But I personally cant see an ork of all things doing it

Maybe gretchin, snotlings, or smaller squigs

[final seal]

ork flayed ones

[crisp heath]

In the latest xeno biology book, the janus bro said there was so little known about the reproduction of orks that he wasnt even sure about them spreading like fungus

But thats from an opinion of a rogue trader

[ashen zenith]

like how we didnt know how eels reproduced

[coarse tree]

So the Old One's made the tyranids or nah?

[shell pebble]

I like that we know more of Tyranid reproduction whether thats from genestealers or Tervigons than actual orks

Also doubt it

[coarse tree]

Chaos is like the biggest baddie of the 40k verse and for some reason the Tyranids are just fine? something's fishy

[crisp heath]

Just looked this up, what the fu k

[atomic pelican]

Tyrannids came from out of galaxy

Not old one related

[coarse tree]

There's a theory that a few old one's escaped out of galaxy

So it's like a theory on top of a theory

It's hard to think that the Old One's were THAT powerful and advanced and still confined to the galaxy

[open marsh]

I saw a theory that they were made as a last resort option by the Old Ones. Given their growth pattern similarities to the Orkz

Basically, the idea is that the Old Ones made them to consume all life in the galaxy, but preserve all of their genomes. Which would allow the Old Ones to rebuild life either after they defeated the Ctans or somewhere else

[hallow apex]

Tyranid hive mind so woke it makes the Warp seize. Kha’Bhanda: ‘And I took that personally.’

[open marsh]

Its why the Tyranids started heading for the galaxy when they saw the Pharos activated. Since that was a sign the necrons were still active, but they received no "stop" order from the Old Ones

[coarse tree]

Tyranids being from the Old Ones would make cool rivalry with Necron lore

[hallow apex]

I doubt it

But it’s a fascinating theory

[open marsh]

It makes the most sense to me. Hence the Tyranids thing of storing the genetic information of what they consume

The building blocks of life. What the Old Ones would need to recreate life

[hallow apex]

They’re intergalactic locusts

[open marsh]

It would also explain Catachan

[hallow apex]

I find that more terrifying than them being bio weapons

[open marsh]

Since its already been theorized (in-universe even) that some of Catachan's wildlife seems like some kind of "proto"-Tyranid lifeforms

Hinting that Catachan may have been the testing ground for the Old Ones testing the tyranids

[hallow apex]

Where could I find this information, friend?

[open marsh]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Catachan_Devil

Im looking through the sources rn

[shell pebble]

Eh Id rather they focus on Tyranids just being something really otherworldly and unknown to everyone than giving them a set origin

Makes them that much scarier

[open marsh]

A "good idea gone horribly wrong" is more befitting of the setting

Intended to be the final solution to save all life in the galaxy (in some form), so that it may be rebuilt. They are now its greatest threat. As they will consume all life.....but there is noone to rebuild it

[shell pebble]

Ehhhh sure but it kinda dampens their style

[peak hamlet]

I doubt they were created by the old ones since the necrons are literally the only faction they suck against

[shell pebble]

I like them being unknown beings, even alien to the aliens that plague the galaxy

That just makes the Tyranids more creepy

[open marsh]

They werent made to fight the Necrons

Why, if your job was to save the DNA of all life in the galaxy, would you go off to fight some robo-boyos?

[limpid hedge]

I like the idea that they are unknown beings. Cause it means that their could be other alien races outside the galaxy.

Maybe some even more dangerous that the nids

[shell pebble]

This said, I'm pretty alright with the Tyranids being akin to a yearly locust that comes to the galaxy and goes over thousands and thousands of years

[ashen zenith]

there are supposedly some insane powerful alien species at the edge of the galaxy

the imperium fought a war against them it lost a shit ton of marines

[open marsh]

Rangdan Xenocides

[ashen zenith]

dunno if the aliens where completely wiped out

[open marsh]

The Rangda are fox furry, btw

Who had crystal-like weapons that would also poison the victim

[ashen zenith]

theres also the gas xenos that take over the body of humans

[coarse tree]

I don't think the Tyranids were made to fight the Necrons. In all of the Old One's wisdom, they probably didn't anticipate them coming back. I think the Tyranids were made to bring a clean slate to the galaxy for the Old One's return but then I guess that leaves the question of "why?" whatever Old One's remain in another galaxy, why not just stay there?

[open marsh]

That's what I said

[coarse tree]

I haven't kept up with it much, will the Tyranids be in Darktide? They would be so cool as enemies

[shell pebble]

Atm doesn't look to be

If they do come as DLC by some smidge, I'm guessing as Genestealer Cults

Otherwise don't bring your hopes up for it

[coarse tree]

They just seem like they would be so easy to do since they can kind of be any special infected Fat Shark needed them to be

But I guess most of 40k is too

[shell pebble]

They were thinking on doing Orks but let's just wait til things come out first

[ashen zenith]

dunno if its them

its the guys that did this https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ghoul_Stars

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Pale_Wasting

[peak hamlet]

That would make the most sense since 4 guys wouldn't be able to hold back even a single hive ship

[shell pebble]

Ye

[open marsh]

Necrons

[shell pebble]

Plus they're also the most doable since advanced bioforms can probably kill most people in a couple swoops?

[ashen zenith]

its not necrons

look at the pale wastings page

[shell pebble]

Not that it's much different from Genestealers

[ashen zenith]

its something even the inquisition censored

[open marsh]

"Inquisitorial investigation has discovered that much of the extant evidence relating to this threat has been censored or purposely destroyed, but there are contradictory indications which describe the nature of the threat as both a "Star-spawned plague" that swept away scores of worlds and as "Nightmare engines" slaughtering whole sectors."

"Star-spawned plague" - The Flayer Virus

[ashen zenith]

i guess its possible

[open marsh]

It was censored by the Inqusition, because at the time (M34) the necrons were basically unheard of and they wanted to keep such horrors under wraps

[ashen zenith]

11 entire chapters lost and a bunch of dead planets

[peak hamlet]

Yeah even a single genestealer would be a huge threat

[open marsh]

"By their mortal sacrifice and unmatched valour unmade that which cannot die and so preserved the most holy realm of Mankind."

"that which cannot die" - Necrons

[peak hamlet]

Isnt their whole world only inhabitaded by flayed ones at this point?

So i doubt their weird teleportation/repair shit works anymore

[ashen zenith]

idk i like to think it was some sort of crazy xenos empire

[open marsh]

Flayed ones can still phase out.

[peak hamlet]

Sure?

[shell pebble]

Flayed Ones got their own pocket dimension thing IIRC

[peak hamlet]

Oh right

[shell pebble]

Cuz they're just the lepers of Necrons society

And necrons don't want them around

[open marsh]

A single flayed one porting to a tomb world can quickly infect the entire population

[peak hamlet]

Yeah thats why they usually keep them for battle but destroy them after the battle is won iirc

[shell pebble]

Dunno if destroy but I wouldn't be too surprised

[open marsh]

The Flayed Ones head back to their pocket dimension

Usually taking whatever corpses and scraps of flesh they can carry

[peak hamlet]

Yeah just read it on the wiki "Any Necron suspected of harbouring the Flayer infection is banished or destroyed before it can become contagious."

But they just use their pocket dimension thing

Usually

[open marsh]

If they are from a tomb world. Ones that already exist are left alone

Flayed ones arent actually mindless. So pissing them off could see them attack a tomb world or even dynasty. Risking the entire dynasty being infected

Negotiations with them can be tricky

[peak hamlet]

"Despite this, it is common for an Overlord to order the execution of any Flayed One survivors after the battle has been won."

[open marsh]

Fair. Stupid. But fair

[peak hamlet]

So as far as i read it they murder them before they can piss off back into their pocket dimension if possible

[open marsh]

Im reading it as "if they can get away with it without pissing off other Flayed Ones"

hence why its "common" and not "standard protocol"

[ashen zenith]

do they ever say what happened to the enslavers that killed the old ones?

[peak hamlet]

A few of them survived iirc

[open marsh]

@ashen zenith Also it was the flayed ones. Because there is a whole dynasty of flayed ones in the Ghoul Stars

[coarse tree]

Wait, what? What happened here?

[ashen zenith]

that sounds like an omega threat

[open marsh]

They still pop up from time to time

[peak hamlet]

They fucked the necrons up badly so the necrons went to sleep in the first place. They were hoping that without anything to enslave they would just die off. IIRC

[open marsh]

Yeah. A single one is enough to quarentine an entire world (at best) or exterminatus it

[ashen zenith]

are they rogue trader or do they still get brought up in modern fluff?

[peak hamlet]

They use retarded psykers to open a portal so more enslavers can enter realspace

They live in the warp

[coarse tree]

So are they demons?

[open marsh]

They are still brought up in fluff

[ashen zenith]

enslavers are like warp demons or something that wiped out most of intelligent life after the war in heaven

[open marsh]

Yes but also no

[coarse tree]

Oh shit I need to look into this

[open marsh]

They are of the warp. Not daemons. but also they are also material

So they dont need warp juice to exist in the Materium

[coarse tree]

I remember them from that one Civ like game but I never thought much about them

[peak hamlet]

Civ?

[coarse tree]

Civilization. There's a 40k game that's similar and there are Enslavers as a neutral enemy that spawn on the map

Warhammer 40k Gladius

[peak hamlet]

Oh ok

Interresting

[ashen zenith]

another kinnda weird thing is that they invaded real space because the war in heaven shook up the warp badly, but why didnt they invade during the birth of slanesh?

[peak hamlet]

Reasons i guess

Btw there was a flayer king miniature??

Or is it just a conversion?

Are there rules for that? Because if so il start a flayed one army lmao

[shell pebble]

There is no Flayed One Lord

Or any sort of leader for Flayed Ones on the tabletop

[peak hamlet]

Damn 😦

[shell pebble]

Yeah it sucks

But you got more destroyer variants so hey that's cool

[peak hamlet]

I BEG YOU GW

[peak hamlet]

Yea

[shell pebble]

Just got Skorpek and Orphydian destroyers

They're both very melee

And they got a Skorpek lord

[peak hamlet]

Yea

[open marsh]

@ashen zenith Finally found the thing about the Catachan Devil. Page 17

Context. While I agree they were somehow related to the tyranids. I dont think they are a lost vanguard. Given they are so well integrated with Catachan, instead of conquering it

[ashen zenith]

U where talking to Roen not me

[open marsh]

Oh I actually mis-clciked

my bad

@hallow apex then

[worn dagger]

I mean its possible, without any synapse creatures & especially without a Norn they would most likely go feral and not have the drive to deconstruct a planet. Most planets would prob be filled with nids over time but a place like Catachan would rein them in more. Didn't know the Catachan Devils were believed to be related to modern Tyranids, that's really interesting actually wrote a similar idea when thinking about making a kinda Proto-nid army.

[open marsh]

For me, its also more that, from the appearance of the Jungle Devil, its not a genestealer bioform

Which serve as the vanguards

It seems more related to the Ravener. Like a proto-type Ravener

[worn dagger]

Yeah it def changes the lore a bit, but its possible that the "vanguard" was from a strain that hadn't adapted the Genestealer Bioform yet however old that would have to be. Yeah they would def be based on the Ravener.

[open marsh]

Thing is. Raveners are made for assaults. They are a main battleline tyranid form.

The point I was making earlier. On the "Old Ones made the nids" is that Catachan was used as a testing ground for them. Hence its extremely dangerous fauna. With the Jungle Devil literally being a left over from the tests. A prototype Tyranid

[coarse tree]

interesting

[worn dagger]

Yeah it would only make sense if they were in an all out fight with something, but with all the species that have risen and fallen it's reasonable that a mainline bioform might be brought into battle against some ancient race, maybe even the Old Ones. Although I will say that similar to what I wrote for my Nids I would assume there would be more than one feral bioform on the planet and not just the Devil.

[open marsh]

We also havent seen many of the other fauna on Catachan

Saw a face eater recently tho

[worn dagger]

That's true

[open marsh]

and honestly, a Catachan Barking toad sounds very 'nid-ish to me

Much like their use of what are essentially living bombs

and it would be excellent for use in the nid's style of battle. A very small creature (thus doesnt use much biomass) that makes a very big boom

[coarse tree]

Do you think if the Imperium could find some old Abominable Intelligence they could get a concrete plan on how to deal with the Tyranids?

would be heresy, but desperate times

[open marsh]

No. Because either the AI doesnt want to help them, or they destroy it, or both

Catachan Face Eater, btw

[worn dagger]

Yeah the toads can even take down power armor and the effects of the poison explosion def sound very nidy/bioplasmey.

[open marsh]

Yeah. which is a full assault tactic. Not a tyranid vanguard force. Now you are seeing what I am seeing

[worn dagger]

I mean if we're taking Genestealers out of the equation with an older more primitive strain than any nid Vanguard would basically be an assault fleet in itself, so really it gives credence to both theories.

[open marsh]

"Vanguard Drone Ships are Destroyer-class[3] long-range scouts of the Tyranid Hive Fleets.

They range far ahead of the main fleets, seeking out worlds suitable for consumption and then seeding them with infiltration organisms like Genestealers and Lictors. Vanguard Drones are rarely in contact with their home fleet, returning only to relay scouting information and replenish their cargo"

They use infiltrators. Not full assault forces

[worn dagger]

Yeah I know but if we're talking about something that could have possibly seeded/invaded Catachan it would have to be really old so the typical Nid doctrine might not apply concerning troop type/deployment.

[open marsh]

Hence why i think that Catachan may be where the Tyranids originated. Their testing ground. When the Old Ones got the data they were looking for, they left the world and made the Tyranids proper. Before sending them outside the galaxy to keep them hidden from the Necrons

So the beasts on Catachan arent a divergent evolution of Tyranids, but the tyranids' own precursors

[worn dagger]

Ohh its def possible, I think both theories def have merit, I'm just a bigger fan of the extragalactic Xeno like the Yuuzhan Vong from Star Wars Legends.

[open marsh]

I dont much apply stuff outside of 40k to 40k. The "Old Ones did it" fits better with 40k's constant theme of "The best intentions gone horribly wrong"

[coarse tree]

I agree that the less they explain the better. They could maybe explain why they seem to be attracted to psychic energy and let the fandom theorize more, but just telling us their origins would probably kill the vibe

[open marsh]

Because Necrons cant generate psychic energy. But organic races can. So the Tyranids head for psychic energy since that normally indicates more biomass

[coarse tree]

fascinating

[open marsh]

Yeah Im not a fan of it being laid bare. To me, there is enough evidence based on their mannerisms, as well as things like the fauna of catachan, to feel comfortable in the "Old Ones made them" theory

[worn dagger]

What really matters is us getting more Catachan fauna lol, I wonder if there's a Gargoyle equivalent.

[open marsh]

Drakebats

[worn dagger]

Yeah Drakebats def sound like more primitive Gargolyes, and apparently are huge compared to Gargolyes. Now I want a Drakebat model lol.

[open marsh]

I think a thing that points to Catachan fauna being proto-nids is that the Jungle Devil is highly territorial. They dont work together at all.

If 1 Jungle Devil sees another one, they will drop whatever they are doing in order to fight off the invader

If they were just de-evolved Raveners. They would still have some semblance of cooperation

While if they were prototypes, this is easily explained as a design flaw

[worn dagger]

Is not very different from any other highly territorial animal irl, it would just depend on how feral the nid was/has become. Which going on either theory would have a very very long time to happen.
Also I wonder if the Shambling Mamomorphs are in any way related to Carnifex..

[open marsh]

Thing is the territorialness is the issue. Even a feral'd Ravener still works well with other Raveners in order to hunt down prey

(also Jungle Devils will attack the corpses of other Jungle Devils. Which is used as a tactic by the Catachans to distract them)

Like these guys seem programmed to attack other Jungle Devils

[worn dagger]

Didn't know that had been established concerning feral Raveners, which is a point but if were hypothetically talking about a Ravener brood that was maybe marooned for eons its possible in changing into the form we see today as Catachan Devils that their behavior when feral also changed. It wouldn't be out of the norm for evolution. The territorial behavior could have stemmed from a lack of food and competition between Raveners.

[peak hamlet]

How are the toads supposed to kill everything within a kilometer radius? That wouldnt work

[open marsh]

If Catachan wasnt so...well full of life. Id think that too. But while Catachan is certainly dangerous, food for its native inhabitants isnt in short supply

[peak hamlet]

10 meters maybe but a fucking kilometer??

[summer niche]

big toad

[peak hamlet]

What were they thinking

[summer niche]

rule of cool

catachan is peak rule of cool

[open marsh]

Hence why they seem more like a specifically designed weapon instead of some kind of natural evolution

[peak hamlet]

But they really went over the top with them

Thats just ridiculous

Jesus how do you spell that word

T.T

[open marsh]

Again. a biological weapon instead of a natural evolution

[peak hamlet]

Wait how large is that toad?

[worn dagger]

@open marsh Yes but the type and size of available prey still plays a large factor for the size & behavior of the predator, and given how dangerous Catachan is its possible that feral proto nids might have to adapt their behavior.

[open marsh]

Small enough to be hard to spot by hiding under rocks

[summer niche]

big rocks

[open marsh]

Im not denying the possibility, Im just saying that them being programmed to do what they do just makes a little more sense

[peak hamlet]

Then its completely impossible to kill everything within a kilometer radius

[worn dagger]

VX Nerve Toad

[peak hamlet]

And since it isnt warp born you cant use that as an excuse

[summer niche]

you're thinking too hard over this

[peak hamlet]

Yeah im just a little pissed about how far they crossed the line of possibilities this time

[open marsh]

.........

[peak hamlet]

Il stop :c

[open marsh]

The blast radius of an exploding frog is what breaks your disbelief

[peak hamlet]

It isnt warp born

[open marsh]

Out of everything in 40k

Thats what does it in

[peak hamlet]

Whats worse than that?? Except everything warp related ofc

They have a basic explanation for everything

Exept how these toads are supposed to work

[open marsh]

A giant living tank with a penis cannon on its back that fires exploding young

[peak hamlet]

But they have an explanation for that.

And they """c o u l d""" work.

[open marsh]

They have an explanation of the toad too

[peak hamlet]

Not as bad as a regular toad that somehow explodes and spreads toxic acid over every single centimeter of a 1 kilometer radius

[open marsh]

Its the same way an eversor assassin explodes when they die

[peak hamlet]

But explosions work because preasure builds up. I just dont see how a squishy toad could do that

[open marsh]

Its not a pressure build up

its a chemical reaction

[peak hamlet]

That makes a little more sense i guess

But a kilometer is still ridiculous

[open marsh]

It really isnt in 40k.

[peak hamlet]

It kinda is

[open marsh]

Also they used to have tabletop rules

https://web.archive.org/web/20070520074316/http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/creature-feature/6/

Well the lesser ones do

[peak hamlet]

Oh lol

Thats cool

[open marsh]

I like that they say the Great Toads dont have rules, because the second someone fired a bolter the whole board would get wiped

And yeah it basically reduces everything in the area into raw biomass

[worn dagger]

So the equivalent of Rocks Fall in Rogue Trader is just You scared a toad lol.

[peak hamlet]

Wait how do they even survive? If any threat just results in them nuking themselves (and there are a damn lot of threats on catachan) how do they reproduce?

[open marsh]

This was actually one of the later editions

4th edition I think

[open marsh]

Presumedly, like the Catachans, everything else on the planet learned to feckin avoid them if at all possible

[worn dagger]

@peak hamlet I'm assuming fast breeding rates and very large egg clutchs, there are real world examples just on a smaller scale like exploding termites.

[open marsh]

^ that too

[open marsh]

They are the peak of the WTFBOOM meme

[summer niche]

i used that as my wake up signal for awhile

traumatic

i started waking up to the quiet beeps before the WTF

[peak hamlet]

Jesus christ

[summer niche]

and a frantic rush to turn the alarm off before

[worn dagger]

@open marsh I'm honestly surprised Nurgle hasn't tried to make some nurglfied Barking Toads, which means they might be nids.

[open marsh]

I'm almost certain they are nids. The question comes down to are they evolved from nids or are they prototype nids.

[peak hamlet]

If they would be nids they would use them, or at least something similar

Their strongest spore mines dont even get close to killing everything within a kilometer radius

[open marsh]

Hence my belief that they are prototype nids. Since reducing everything in a 1km radius would be a problem even for an invading nid force.

Like they seem like a good idea on the surface. But I can't see MANY problems the Nids could have if they actually tried to use such weapons

[peak hamlet]

They could drop them from flying beasts

[summer niche]

those toads might just be proto ammo for those nid arty

[peak hamlet]

Plus it just turns everything into biomass mud and thus consumable

[summer niche]

chunking terrified toads at the enemy

[open marsh]

That's what I am thinking. But the damned things are too unstable to actually fire

[summer niche]

ye right now

they might not have been once upon a time

or they never actally got to that point

as you said, if they are protonids

[worn dagger]

Yeah the unstable bit could have been an evolutionary trait to help combat other feral nids.

[open marsh]

Yeah. That's the issue. Figuring out which way the evolutionary line goes

I'm still on the Protonid idea. Since what we know of nids (as they are now. Admittedly) they use genestealers in their vanguards. Like the Ymgarl genestealers

And the things in Catachan seem to be dedicated assault forces

Actually the Ymgarl are a good example. Since they are also a proto-nid. A sort of genestealer 1.0 that is so out of date that the Tyranid's refuse to consume them. For risk that the genes the Ymgarl have will weaken them by reverting them to an earlier version. They are too unstable

[worn dagger]

Yes but if were talking about possible Old One made Nids or just ones that are really really old they would both still predate the Ymgari Genestealers by a lot.So this era of proto-nid we are speculating about could have been a lot more aggressive meaning any probe was a spear until they refined their methods & created Genestealers. That's something that could explain the types of proto-nids we see, either way it goes so far back its hard to tell with Nids since they change so much. I wonder what the earliest known encounter with Genestealers is amongst xenos like the Eldar.

[open marsh]

The problem I have with that is that its against what we observe with nids. While yes, we can say "maybe they didnt use genestealers at the time", there is just no evidence of that.

[storm jungle]

I just hate it because not everything has to be connected to the fucking Old Ones

just let some races be their own thing

[open marsh]

Tau

[storm jungle]

?

[open marsh]

Necrons

(well necrontyr)

[storm jungle]

So?

My point exactly?

[open marsh]

Neck Ron

[storm jungle]

Tire

[open marsh]

Neck Ron Tier

[storm jungle]

But yeah i always dislike the "old ones made em lel" thing

im pretty sure at some point GW is gonna reveal that was the deal but until then its pretty eh for me

[open marsh]

I kinda like it. The weapons of ancient foes, fighting a war that was long since over

Now just causing needless destruction

[storm jungle]

So basically the Imperium

but bugs

[open marsh]

Its how we got the Orkz, the Chaos Gods, Eldar (especially their downfall), and Humanity.

Weapons made for the War in Heaven and never told to stop

[storm jungle]

Again, its really not that much of a big deal.

Like okay, old ones made them to erase the galaxy, thats it i guess.

[open marsh]

(and now the weapons are fighting each other. which is great)

[storm jungle]

I much prefer them just being this outer-galactic threat that came to the milky way out of pure accident

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-video-game-eating-marshmallow-gif-6008098

[peak hamlet]

Same

[open marsh]

Its what makes it so grimdark.

The old ones made them to erase the galaxy....but save the genetic information so that it could be used to recreate life after the Ctan and Necrons were dealt with

[storm jungle]

It really doesnt though

[open marsh]

But now, without the Old Ones to tell them to stop.....they are just a massive threat

[storm jungle]

I seriously see nothing dark about it lol

Necrons pretty much are doing the same thing

[open marsh]

Ill summerize:
Old Ones: makes Tyranids as a back up plan to save life in the galaxy

Tyranids: instead becomes one of the, if not the biggest threat to life galaxy

[storm jungle]

Still disagree but hey, go for it.

[peak hamlet]

I mean even if they swept the galaxy clean the necrons would still be alive

Which kinda misses the point

So i doubt they created them

[open marsh]

Better than "Oh the tyranids just happened to be passing by and just happened to see the pharos (thus signs of necron activity), and that just happened to be exactly what they are looking for. Its totally random bro. lol"

[storm jungle]

Sounds a lot cooler to me

a lot of people seem to prefer that too

[open marsh]

Thats dumb

[storm jungle]

Likewise to the Old Ones thing

the galaxy isnt as small as people want to make it out to be

the Old Ones dont have to be at the center of everything lol

they're one of the laziest plot devices out there to begin with

[peak hamlet]

Also people forgett the hive mind

[open marsh]

Plus the issue of Tyranids already having a presence in the galaxy. again. Like Catachan.

[storm jungle]

So....?

That literally could just be earlier probes by the hive mind

just as the lore says

[atomic pelican]

Thats also why stealers showed up before nids

Lov oldstealers

[open marsh]

Hive Mind: I know Ive already sent probes into that galaxy earlier. But fuck it. Im just gonna sit here until I see a random flashing light for no reason

[atomic pelican]

Their designd are memey af

Pimptriarch

[storm jungle]

That can be easily blamed on dumb writing on GW's part added by how they perhaps do the same scouting technique with other galaxies nearby

its not really that weird

[open marsh]

Yes. Like I said. The Tyranids just being a random passer by is dumb.

[storm jungle]

🤷‍♀️

Its lore.

[cerulean wagon]

its less dumb than it being old ones

[storm jungle]

^

[atomic pelican]

[cerulean wagon]

having literaly multiple galaxys worth of lore be based entirely on the macinations of a single race

[open marsh]

New headcanon: Orkz are protonids that were sent here ahead of the hive fleet

Because Old Ones making them is dumb

[storm jungle]

[atomic pelican]

Muh old unz

[cerulean wagon]

honestly id rather they just retconn old ones at this point

literal garbage lore that adds nothing

bar being a mcguffin faction

[storm jungle]

Same tbh, they're just a relic of warhammer fantasy

[atomic pelican]

Main reason I like nids and tau

[open marsh]

Replace them with Cadians

[atomic pelican]

No old ones

[austere ridge]

^

[atomic pelican]

Well one of the reasons

[storm jungle]

Careful Onut, GW might retcon that

[atomic pelican]

Theyre gonna make every minor xeno a nid actually

Sent by the hivefleet probably

[cerulean wagon]

honestly ye

replace them with pre fall humanity

[open marsh]

Cadians are actually deep cover genestealers. Explaining why they are fucking everywhere

[atomic pelican]

[open marsh]

And take over everything

[atomic pelican]

Guard sculpts only exist to be converted to cult anyway

Known fact

[cerulean wagon]

correction: guard sculpts basically dont exist

[worn dagger]

Worked for Elder Scrolls, your an elf, and your an elf an your an elf.....Opera levels of elf.

[cerulean wagon]

[crisp heath]

That sounds like hershey

[open marsh]

Yeah they do. If you like Cadians. If you wanted anything else: get fucked. Buy Cadians

[atomic pelican]

Speaking of which, I built some brood brothers recently and good god guard sculpts are ancient. I mean, I knew, but actually building them

The instructions are in black/white and arent numbered

[storm jungle]

Cadians are the real GSC.

They grab and assimilate your regiment to themselves like Invasion of the Body Snatches

[cerulean wagon]

the cadian scults are old and garbage

cadians themselves are fine, no need to be salt

[open marsh]

Thats what Im saying. Cadians are deep cover genestealers

[storm jungle]

LOL

[cerulean wagon]

proud i just finish 55 guard

[atomic pelican]

Cadians are probs my 2nd fave regiment just cuz some of the best named chars in the guard

[cerulean wagon]

its

[atomic pelican]

Good lord

[cerulean wagon]

its not gud

[atomic pelican]

For me the GSC conversion heads make them pass but lord

Old stuff

[cerulean wagon]

help

[storm jungle]

They're gonna be taken to the back of the shed soon

[cerulean wagon]

but ye cadians are fine, they have some decent lore and interesting people

atleast they arent krieg

or old ones

[atomic pelican]

I just like dark green flak armor

Green is a good color

[cerulean wagon]

i did my flak in dark bronze with grey uniforms

[atomic pelican]

Chad

Pics when

[austere ridge]

^

[cerulean wagon]

aight one sec

[open marsh]

They are fine. I just have a problem with non-cadian regiments either being squatted. Or retconned to be cadian clones

Terran Regiments then

Terran Regiments now

[atomic pelican]

Its mostly because theres no way theyd support every regiment as minis. And they want to show off what can be bought

Having every regiment would be space marine levels silly

I think conversion kits would be good tho

Just with little bits and such to maie a regiment

[open marsh]

Malcador's Chosen. His elite guards. Were you hoping for some kind of special unique look to show they are the bodyguards of one of the most important people in the Imperium and an extremely powerful psyker?

Nope, you get Cadians. But hey, gold trim! Thats interesting and unqiue, right?

[worn dagger]

Conversion kits do seem like something they could have done more of to help fill out more of the Guard regiments.

[atomic pelican]

Thats what Im hoping for

[worn dagger]

Also.....
https://i.redd.it/v8482b9iqyj61.png

[open marsh]

Hell they already had the Solar Auxilia models

[atomic pelican]

Updsted casts and convert kits

[open marsh]

Solar Auxilia? Whats that? Here, have more Cadians

[storm jungle]

I guess there really is only Cadians

also is that the solar auxilia sigil on his chest?

[open marsh]

Yep

[peak hamlet]

Lol

Tf gw?

[storm jungle]

[summer niche]

man

i wish all companies had teleporters like cadian regiments

[worn dagger]

Who needs a teleporter when you have a massive drill you & your buddies can ride in.

[summer niche]

just drillin through the warp

ez

[peak hamlet]

Lmao

[worn dagger]

@summer niche You know a Krieger would try it lol.

[cerulean wagon]

its fine cause they arent actually cadians

its just the gear

[austere ridge]

the transformation has begun, it's merely a matter of time till they become cadians

truly grimdark

[cerulean wagon]

medic always complained it wasnt standard gear since not everyone used it

GW fixing that

[open marsh]

A cadian by any other name is still a cadian

[austere ridge]

the imperial guard? more like the cadian guard

gotem

[cerulean wagon]

theyd need to be from cadia for that

[open marsh]

Basically what its becoming

[cerulean wagon]

[summer niche]

Well, Cadia is more of a spiritual thing now anyway

https://tenor.com/view/memes-risitas-laughing-lmao-lol-gif-11500030

[open marsh]

Pretty much.

Irony that GW is retconning all of the IG to be the guys whose actual world got destroyed

[cerulean wagon]

its just the gear

[open marsh]

I know

[austere ridge]

the cadians got so pissed after losing cadia they started turning other regiments cadian

[cerulean wagon]

aparently not

[open marsh]

Omg dude

[storm jungle]

like i said, this is an all out Conversion Invasion

WE'RE NEXT

[austere ridge]

dear gods!

[atomic pelican]

But the other regimentd arent being retconned

[open marsh]

No you are fine. You arent from cadia. Even tho you will be made to look and fight like Cadians. That there will be no functional difference between you and a cadian. Obviously you are totally different. Just because "Cadia" isnt slapped on your regiment label

[atomic pelican]

They just dont have models

[storm jungle]

Whew

[atomic pelican]

Like the regiment system isnt leaving guard rules anytime soon

[open marsh]

Give it time. They already retconned the Solar Auxilia and Terran regiments

[atomic pelican]

Regimental orders and stuff are pretty big to their identity

I dont even think mosy people know those exist

[austere ridge]

snorts some cadia remains and become cadian

[storm jungle]

Its a good example of how the setting outgrows the tabletop.

[atomic pelican]

I dont even think theyve existed on TT

[scenic bolt]

I want to say regiments have been guard rules since 2nd ed???

[atomic pelican]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

In-lore literally almost every imperial world thats worth something has a regiment

naturally you cant produce a regiment for everyone in real life so it hits a wall instantly

[atomic pelican]

Its because thwres literally no way theyd produce a mini line for every regiment, even moreso for irrelevant tiny ones

[storm jungle]

Yeeee basically

[atomic pelican]

The BEST to expect is a conversion kit for the actually big ones

Which would be good

[storm jungle]

If guardsman sold like chocolates in a store constantly im sure GW would spam new regiments constantly

but yeah there just isnt a demand for it much

[atomic pelican]

LUL

Yeah

Space marine syndrome

[scenic bolt]

what was it

space marines sell more than every other faction combined by double

loyalist rines

[cerulean wagon]

think so

they also make up 30+% of each years models

[open marsh]

in b4 GW cuts the crap and just turns 40k into Horus Heresy 2. Not even having Chaos Marines anymore. Just loyalists and traitor. Who are the same models with different paint schemes

[storm jungle]

I remember that joke from way back when primaris were released

[open marsh]

No guard. No sisters. No xenos. Just marines

[storm jungle]

Bold of you to assume thats not whats happening now

[atomic pelican]

Tbf release schedule usually swings from xenos to space marines every 4 years or so

Following the chart

And new xeno codices are good

[open marsh]

When was the last Craftworld Eldar release, again?

[atomic pelican]

Xenos as a whole

But yes craftworlds in pain

I do expect asuryani releases in the next year tho

[cerulean wagon]

when was the last sob update prior to overhaul?

[atomic pelican]

Or atleast a good codex

[cerulean wagon]

the update will come at some point in 9e id imagine its just waiting

[atomic pelican]

Yee same

[cerulean wagon]

and hoping they dont give gav the reigns for their lore again

[atomic pelican]

Im not too much of a doomer with GW anymore

And yess god

Remove thorpe

And eldar improve

[cerulean wagon]

hes just a bad author

his other contribution is dark angels

which is

[atomic pelican]

Its really saddening that most eldar lore is thorpe

[scenic bolt]

theres a ton of lines where the majority of the models are from the 90s

[atomic pelican]

Ive been getting into craftworlde lately and some of tur older stuff is cool

[scenic bolt]

like guard, orks, eldar

[atomic pelican]

Like aspect shrines and such

[cerulean wagon]

aspect shrines are so good

gav covers it briefly in his other eldar trilogy he did

[atomic pelican]

I just wish more focused on them instead of ynnari

[cerulean wagon]

before he kills that craftworld off as well

[atomic pelican]

I hope we see new Phoenix lord models along with their associated aspect warriors

Id love new dark reapers

[open marsh]

The Ynnari were the attempt to "Ultramarine" or "Cadian" the Eldar. pulling all the different subfactions of Eldar into 1

[cerulean wagon]

was gonna say death reapers

some uhhh fire dragons as well

[atomic pelican]

Dark reapers are baller af

YESS

[storm jungle]

🍑

[atomic pelican]

Fuega and uhh Monkaugh(?) Pls

New models

Need my Buff Skele eldar

[storm jungle]

Fuegan and Maugan Ra

[atomic pelican]

Yess

[storm jungle]

sorry i had to because their names are just pimp

KFKGF

[cerulean wagon]

im wondering if the banshee update was testing the water, but i dont wanna get my hopes up

[atomic pelican]

Maugan Ra is the chaddiest eldar

Hes so thicc

Oh man I hope so

I lov Jain and the new banshees

[storm jungle]

It kinda was, but the actual kit was garbage aside from the banshees

so nobody almost bought it

so GW was like

"LOL i guess nobody likes xenos then"

[atomic pelican]

I hope they continue that pattern still

New asurmen PLS

[storm jungle]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99800104025_AsurmenNEW_01.jpg

Hes a dwarf

[atomic pelican]

[open marsh]

GW: "Hmm...nope....dont like that" hits with the Retcon stick

"Thats better"

[atomic pelican]

Considering makinf a banshee KT

With a autarch commander

Love both

[cerulean wagon]

ngl

[atomic pelican]

Swooping hawk wings are goodo

[cerulean wagon]

i kinda love the guardians still

the grav platform sells it for me

[atomic pelican]

If they are helmeted they are okay imo

Its just old GW face syndrome

And yeah eldar grav stuff is hightier

[scenic bolt]

old gw women models were just

[atomic pelican]

Im considering getting a wave serpent and making it float via magnet

[scenic bolt]

I mean I understand it took the industry as a whole a good while to get women right but gw was on another level

[cerulean wagon]

i wanna get a falcon grav tank and paint it

see how it goes compared to my first vehicle i ever painted

[storm jungle]

Its a thing as old as time for them as a company

its one of the reasons why the female marine models were also so awful

https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Jayne-amp-Gabs.jpg

https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Screenshot_127.jpg

[cerulean wagon]

im glad eldar came out better

banshees

👏

[scenic bolt]

most improved award goes to

[scenic bolt]

(only because the bottom was so low)

[peak hamlet]

Not weirdly spindly eldar enought

[atomic pelican]

Someone did full cosplay of a banshee and she looked 👌

[peak hamlet]

Looks like a regular human

[atomic pelican]

Eldar can be BEEFY

[peak hamlet]

They got no body fat

So no

They cant

Sadly

[storm jungle]

Yeah but eldar do not have body fat

[peak hamlet]

Huh

[atomic pelican]

Big

[peak hamlet]

Thats the armor i guess

[storm jungle]

Their muscles are more or so stretched, its like letting go of a bow string when they jump into action.

[cerulean wagon]

its partly armour but also bodyfat isnt bulk

[atomic pelican]

Eldar can be strong too, the leaf push over stereotype is kinda just applied to them from other settings

[cerulean wagon]

eldar are like lithe humans, they arent rediculously stretched and gaunt

[storm jungle]

Yeee but sadly big eldar arent portrayed much in art

[peak hamlet]

They are pretty stretched yea

Compared to humans

[atomic pelican]

I demand new dark reaper models.

[cerulean wagon]

i.e. this art is official gw

[atomic pelican]

Oo thats good

[storm jungle]

RPG art always is

[atomic pelican]

U right

[cerulean wagon]

(its from a rogue trader adventure)

[peak hamlet]

https://i.redd.it/kvu7y50vbzh31.png

Does that look human to you?

[atomic pelican]

Xenology is dated as hell

[storm jungle]

^

[atomic pelican]

Its not rlly relevant anymore

[peak hamlet]

But its still canon

[storm jungle]

And GW wants to make them look alien but as hard as they try i couldnt care less what they want basically.

[cerulean wagon]

its not cannon

[peak hamlet]

It is, yes

[atomic pelican]

The art skele posted is canon

[open marsh]

LIIVI and his eldar GF

[peak hamlet]

Give me a more recent source and i will accept it. Just officcial artwork isnt enought to prove your point

[atomic pelican]

I'll take the up to date art anyday

Its.. official art

🤔

[cerulean wagon]

xenology is the only time eldar are shown like that

ever

[atomic pelican]

Yeah

[cerulean wagon]

every other official art shows otherwise

[atomic pelican]

Tau have feet in xenology

[storm jungle]

Yeeee basically this lol

[peak hamlet]

Yeah thats stupid

[storm jungle]

also pooping crystals

🔹

[cerulean wagon]

basically xenology is dated as hell

it has neat ideas but no

[storm jungle]

Still leagues better than Liber Xenologis tho

most dissapointing book of the year

[peak hamlet]

But i really wouldnt take artwor as a source if its stated in codexes and shit that they look spindly

[cerulean wagon]

actually on he discussion of eldar and crystals

think i said before

but man being a farseer sucks

[atomic pelican]

Their codex art doesnt havr them that spindly

[open marsh]

OY. It soft confirmed Skavens exist on necromunda

10/10

Best book

[storm jungle]

Yeah but the presentation of the entire book sucks

and its almost 90% lore we already know

[open marsh]

40k Skavens. On Necromunda. All else is irrelevant

[storm jungle]

No.

[atomic pelican]

Skaven's niches are already occupied in 40k by a few factions

[peak hamlet]

Why are there skaven what

[cerulean wagon]

skaven would just be beastmen on 40k

eince their entire deal is just orks

[peak hamlet]

Abhumans, yes

[open marsh]

But they arent evolved from humans. They are evolved from rats

[peak hamlet]

Just like ratlings or ogryns

[cerulean wagon]

yes?

[peak hamlet]

Huh

[cerulean wagon]

they are still beast like men

[open marsh]

Not evolved from humans = not abhuman

[cerulean wagon]

i didnt say abhuman

[open marsh]

Beastmen are abhumans

[peak hamlet]

My point was that beastmen are classified as abhumans just like orgyns or ratlings. Skaven would fall into the same category

[storm jungle]

Feethumans.

[cerulean wagon]

okay?

[open marsh]

Nope. because these Skaven arent evolved from humans

[cerulean wagon]

what actual difference does that make tot heir function

[open marsh]

You cannot be an abhuman unless you are a subspecies of human

[cerulean wagon]

are they not beasts in the shape of man?

[peak hamlet]

Can you source me that real quick? Becaus just because they didnt in fantasy doesnt mean they dont do in 40k

[open marsh]

dont do what

[peak hamlet]

Evolve from humans

[open marsh]

Its the definition of what an abhuman is

[peak hamlet]

Bro. You said they didnt evolve from humans. That might be the case for fantasy but as long as it isnt stated to be the case for 40k they would be way more likely to be just a stable mutation and thus abhuman. Thats why i was asking for a source

[open marsh]

Beastmen did

Skaven didnt

[peak hamlet]

You are missing my question. Was it stated in the book??

[open marsh]

Yes

[peak hamlet]

Ok thanks

[open marsh]

From Liber Xenology

[cerulean wagon]

ill check the book in a min for u hobo

[open marsh]

Im still confused on what exactly he is looking for

[peak hamlet]

No need, he just posted it

[open marsh]

Oh there we go then

[peak hamlet]

I just wanted to know if it was just an assumption of you or actually stated in the book but i got my answer

[open marsh]

Skaven faction for Necromunda please

The "horde with insane warpy tech"

[peak hamlet]

Would be fine if we just get a few as mercenaries

[cerulean wagon]

honestly id rather they dont

id like to see actual factions updated

[open marsh]

Yeah. They should just replace all necromunda factions with cadians

[peak hamlet]

Since they dont seem to be stable enought to be a faction. As far as i got it from the text they just seem to be a few random mutations which resulted in intelligent rats

[open marsh]

[atomic pelican]

That and skaven already having their unique roles filled

[cerulean wagon]

yup

skavens only deal is mcguffin tech

which orks already do

[open marsh]

Necromunda doesnt have Orkz

[peak hamlet]

Orks arent mutants

[atomic pelican]

Necromunda does have Cults

Which are so similar with the They Came From Below motif, that GW uses VT music in their trailers

[cerulean wagon]

necromunda has everything

[open marsh]

Doesnt have: "horde with warpy tech and the power of insanity"

[cerulean wagon]

itll have orks somewhere

[open marsh]

yeah. Its got Skaven

[atomic pelican]

Skaven are fine as a fantasy/AoS meme

[cerulean wagon]

na not actual skaven

just fat rats

[peak hamlet]

Honestly genestealer cults are already kinda 40k skaven

[atomic pelican]

Yeah p much

[peak hamlet]

If you think about it

[open marsh]

lack fun warpy insanity tech

[atomic pelican]

Skavens motifs are already filled by orkz/GSC

[open marsh]

There are no orkz on necromunda

[peak hamlet]

Yeah but they just grow under your city/planet and then rush up to murder everything

[atomic pelican]

In regular 40k

Not talking abt necromunda

[open marsh]

The Skaven are on Necromunda

[cerulean wagon]

necromunda will have orks

like

[atomic pelican]

Big rat

[cerulean wagon]

its a given

once a place has enough trade it has atleast a minor ork issue

[atomic pelican]

Greentime baby

[open marsh]

Unless that role is taken by Skaven.

[peak hamlet]

They arent """really""" skaven tho, just humanoid mutant rats that loosely resemble the fantasy skaven

[atomic pelican]

Ork gang with 1920 madioso suits LUL

[open marsh]

Necromunda now has Skaven, it doesnt need Orkz

[open marsh]

Yeah thats good enough.

[cerulean wagon]

role wont be taken by skaven

cause orks already there

[open marsh]

Where orkz

[cerulean wagon]

on necromunda, silly

[open marsh]

Where is that said

[peak hamlet]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nautiloid what the fuck is this? I mean a snail isnt really a huge threat to anybody. Just making it huge and giving it tentacles might look cool but is utterly stupid

[atomic pelican]

I LOVE THAT

And I want it as a model now

If it was one, I'd buy 5 and make a snail race nid list

[peak hamlet]

I really like its looks too but i just dont get its purpose

[open marsh]

Dont need it. just use Orkz

[open marsh]

looks like a tyranid

[cerulean wagon]

literaly started as an ork planet

[open marsh]

Just play tyranid

[cerulean wagon]

[atomic pelican]

Ork moment

[open marsh]

According to another point of view, it is not Orks but a brief defiance of the former Necromunda's human colony against the coming of the Imperium unleashed a war that made an ash wastes from were hive-cities rise.

[storm jungle]

There really is only Waaagh.

[atomic pelican]

Da One True Git

[open marsh]

Wasnt actually orkz. it was a human uprising that actually put up a good fight. So the Imperium covered it up as "freeing them from Orkz"

[cerulean wagon]

necromunda ork gang when

[atomic pelican]

Soon

[cerulean wagon]

give em the water guild mech as armour

[open marsh]

Doesnt exist. But Necromunda Skaven do

Accept the truth

[peak hamlet]

just ignore the fact that it wasnt orks and still add them to necromunda

[cerulean wagon]

ah yes

the skaven

totally not just a fat rat

[open marsh]

Yes-yes

best

[atomic pelican]

Biggie cheese

[cerulean wagon]

ork gang hype tho

[storm jungle]

All I got out of this entire argument:

[open marsh]

lame. just go play GorkaMorka

[cerulean wagon]

^

basically dilara

necromundas lore and setting are hot garbage

[storm jungle]

woah

[atomic pelican]

I heard that the necromunda gangs were so strong they could take on the emperor

[open marsh]

weird way to say the most crazy awesome shit in 40k

[cerulean wagon]

hive worlds are neat, but they try and fit so much in one space it starts making no sense

[peak hamlet]

Honestly an ork as a mercenary would be dope, he could just have been knocked down on a boarding attempt, then locked away and escaped somehow once they reached necromunda.

[storm jungle]

This.

[storm jungle]

Also this.

Necromunda wants to looks so special but it just becomes dumb

[atomic pelican]

I do like that my neophytes can be used in another game

[peak hamlet]

Stop shitting on muh necromunda!!! :c

[cerulean wagon]

i mean ye tbf we dont need to shit on it

the pc games do that for us

[atomic pelican]

OOF

Low blow

[cerulean wagon]

[peak hamlet]

🥲

[austere ridge]

damn

[peak hamlet]

That actually hurt me, i might need a moment for myself now

[cerulean wagon]

im sorry hobo, lmao

[open marsh]

No. You arent allowed fun. You are allowed to play Cadians, and maybe Orkz

[atomic pelican]

Cadians burnt medic's family alive

This is so sad

[cerulean wagon]

can we get an f in chat

[atomic pelican]

Creed kicked over his sand castle with a deep striked titan

[peak hamlet]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/0/05/VanguardDroneship.jpg old tyranid ships had antennas

What

[cerulean wagon]

[atomic pelican]

Love that

[open marsh]

Creed looks too unique. He should look like a standard Cadian. Because thats what its devolved to

[cerulean wagon]

old nid ships werent piloted by nids

they had a subserviant race

[atomic pelican]

Old nid/GS lore is so crackheaded

I love it

[storm jungle]

^

fucking limo driving bugs

DFLGD

[atomic pelican]

Im a big fan of the pimp patriarch and the limos

[cerulean wagon]

tbf

pmuch what they still do

[storm jungle]

1 sec found the tyranid ship chart, look at this crack

[atomic pelican]

YES

[peak hamlet]

👀

[storm jungle]

great bath toys

[peak hamlet]

Im dying XD

[cerulean wagon]

ngl

i do kinda like nid bioship stuff

its disgusting af

[storm jungle]

I like it too but BFG2 designs are better

[peak hamlet]

Agreed

Trygon head with wings just looks stupid

[storm jungle]

https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/ar_3:2%2Cc_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTc0NDU3NzU2ODI5MDk5NjU0/battlefleet-gothic-armada-ii-tyranids-destroyers-advanced-ship-guide.png

https://pm1.narvii.com/7100/91d56b50e8bdb60791154a1a4f503b3cd7b442b2r1-457-202v2_hq.jpg

[peak hamlet]

Speaking of stupid check this mofo out: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dactylis

[cerulean wagon]

oh 100% they are an improvement

[storm jungle]

what the-

[peak hamlet]

Yes

We need a new one

Please gw

Remake that one

I crave it

[storm jungle]

@atomic pelican New nid for you

[cerulean wagon]

new patriarch model

[peak hamlet]

The old one looked better. You cant change my mind

Pimp genestealer is just perfection

[cerulean wagon]

lol

[atomic pelican]

Hightier

[open marsh]

A unique and interesting model? Not allowed

[peak hamlet]

😔

[open marsh]

Tho I think the Genestealer Patriarch in the novel Belisarius Cawl The Great Work was described as being like the rogue trader model

[atomic pelican]

He literally looked like a fat purple guy

Calm down

The new model is obj better

[cerulean wagon]

medic just wants to be angy

[atomic pelican]

Yee

[peak hamlet]

I the new one looks way better ofc but the old mini had way more personality. Not that fitting for genestealers but it had more personality

Plus there was a version which was wielding a sword iirc

Lemme search that real quick

[open marsh]

Yeah. Kinda how the Patriarch in The Great Work was described

[peak hamlet]

Nvm was just a conversion

https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-MygANGIhUNk%2FUbc3-_t2DFI%2FAAAAAAAAB98%2FsV_JyBA_Nr0%2Fs1600%2FWDGS116013small.jpg&sp=1617966514T3740b9670f312f2a64609c30dde2672069dbe290fb5deb56ab1cd2f4ad9f4ada

[atomic pelican]

These fellas want fat thanos back

Respectable

[peak hamlet]

But they could have at least given the new one decoration like rings or chains

[atomic pelican]

He has decor

[cerulean wagon]

this guy actually squatting down and laying one out

[atomic pelican]

AGH

[open marsh]

We need Doggo Beastmen back

[cerulean wagon]

he also has a khorne symbol

[peak hamlet]

Btw does anybody know why the old gsc had khorne symbols?

Thats not just on this mini, you also see it in artwork

[open marsh]

There were Chaos GSC

[atomic pelican]

New patriarch does have decor tho

Just painted one

[cerulean wagon]

prob an old lore bit hobo

[atomic pelican]

Literally covered in cult icons base + has a marine head

[cerulean wagon]

theres lots of stuff with old nids that has been updated

[peak hamlet]

What? The eavy metal one doesnt

[atomic pelican]

Can you show it to me

[peak hamlet]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/2/2e/GSPatriarch.jpg

[cerulean wagon]

he big brain

[peak hamlet]

See no decoration here

[atomic pelican]

He has a marine head

And on the base

He has symbols and such

[cerulean wagon]

mqrine head is in black ont he one u posted hobo

hard to see

[atomic pelican]

Yeah

[peak hamlet]

Yeah i meant decoration on him

Like rings

[atomic pelican]

Why would he wear rings

Hes a alien overmind

[peak hamlet]

The old one did

Yeah he is just looking like a plain genestealer which is quite boring

[visual pumice]

man can't have bling?

[cerulean wagon]

not appreciating his dick blade tho

[peak hamlet]

It is stated in codexes that they offer him gifts and all, regular genestealers even get painted by cultists

[atomic pelican]

I love the overly phallic thing

Yes. But the patriarch doesnt speak. They legit have the magus act as a intermediary

[peak hamlet]

He doesnt have to be thick af, just a few decorations

[atomic pelican]

Very few cultists ever even see the patriarch

[peak hamlet]

Like the lizardmen do for example

[cerulean wagon]

the gifts are on his base hobo

the helmet, skulls and a pendant

[atomic pelican]

Yee

Exactly

[cerulean wagon]

you can see a pendant in the nid symbol shape on the one i posted

[atomic pelican]

Yeep

[peak hamlet]

But do yall agree that rings, chains or whatever jewlery would look dope right?

[atomic pelican]

Theres skulls all around it

No not rlly

Hes more alien this way

[cerulean wagon]

na not on the monster

[atomic pelican]

Which is good

[peak hamlet]

Fair

[cerulean wagon]

if they did a gsc noble/governor tho

[open marsh]

"The genestealer patriarch advanced on him, huge, bloated and unstoppable."

[cerulean wagon]

thatd be swag

[peak hamlet]

Just think he would look more interresting

[atomic pelican]

Yee patriarchs and purestrains should be the most alien looking

I did see a GSC looking thing on rumor engine

And a noble would b p cool since they exist but not on TT

[cerulean wagon]

dont do it proud

dont give urself hope

[atomic pelican]

😩

[peak hamlet]

Some cultist paint decorations and symbold on the stealers tho, going to do that on mine

[cerulean wagon]

oh 100% add painted symbols n stuff to him

[atomic pelican]

How many armies do you build hobo

[open marsh]

"The genestealer saw Thracian’s gambit and was out of its throne swift as lightning,"

The Great Work patriarch even had the 1st edition's throne

[cerulean wagon]

but they arent exactly going to drape the sewer monster in finery

it wouldnt last

[peak hamlet]

I have: space marines, dark angels, tyranids, gsc, chaos space marines and death guard

[atomic pelican]

Good lord

[peak hamlet]

But i only paint/build csm, death guard and dark angels

The others are just backlog

Oh and i have demons of nurgle too

[atomic pelican]

100% run warhammer 40k

[visual pumice]

that's alot of extra pieces to eat

[atomic pelican]

Chad

[peak hamlet]

I might get into old world once they release it

But only if the empire doesnt look too fantasy

But yeah all of my armies are just small forces, about 1000 pts

[atomic pelican]

Ahh ayt

[peak hamlet]

Dark angels and chaos are more

But still

Not that much

[cerulean wagon]

ye i miss old empire

[peak hamlet]

Same