40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

an uplifting fist is just the symbol of resisting something or being strong

[crisp heath]

I know

[storm jungle]

so i dont really get their deal

[crisp heath]

We all know

But these kids

[storm jungle]

Alas, 4chan be 4chan

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[coarse mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/bartlett-west-wing-head-desk-gif-6012433

[potent swift]

This kinda reminds me of the time PETA was complaining about Abbadon or whoever wearing fur, except possibly stupider

[coarse mirage]

and Russ

[storm jungle]

It was not abaddon but more or so everyone in 40k wearing fur i think lol

and everyone is like

"Furs... just look cool though."

[potent swift]

Sorry Space Wolves, you can't exist anymore because fur ain't cool

[coarse mirage]

If you can find an ice warg pelt I don't think I could wear it

[crisp heath]

Yeah i feel like its some crazy deep subterfuge that even the originators dont know the point behind it

[coarse mirage]

No, it's just stupid.

Occam's Razor

[crisp heath]

Good point

The officio assassinorm is under the inquisition right?

Mindless shit like that boggles my mind way more than it shiuld

Or are they still independent

I just remember assassin's in the old witch hunters book

Whel...

The original assassinorum force that was made to end horus was sent before the inquisition existed

Now that I'm done with the beast arises I might start horus heresy. I've tried it before but I found it a bit boring to start

You really dont need to read every HH book

[potent swift]

Your braver than I, I got better things to do than read 60 something books of Marines

[crisp heath]

Id say only 1-3 are really necessary

I work in a factory, audio books are how I get through my long ass shifts lol

[potent swift]

That's fair

[crisp heath]

But rhere are HH books that are complete unnecessary in the grand scheme of things

Like Legion and the Assassin books

They have no bearing or impact on the overall story

But they still rock

It is kinda confusing

Audio books rock doe

[potent swift]

I've been planning on getting some, I got some serious travelling to do in the near future and I need something to listen to

[crisp heath]

The way they speak as marines is amazing

brother lieutenant captain brother praxameteus pondered the brotherly words of Guillimans Bolter brother doctrines of the codex Astartes, as brother lieutenant captain brother naxomotineseus tactfully indoctrinated the Bolter brother stratagem allowing the brother assault Intercessor Judiciar brother

[open marsh]

Who let Gav Thorpe in here?

[atomic pelican]

brother open this door

[coarse mirage]

They are independent but may be employed by the inquisition

[novel fulcrum]

yeah, it's a separate organization, since they've been used to assassinate other important members of the imperium before

you really just have to be a very important member of your organization to requisition an assassin

inquisitors, the high lords, astartes chapter masters, probably generals or active warmasters operating in theaters of war, folks like that

[open marsh]

To deploy the Officio Assassinorum requires a 2/3rd majority vote of all the high lords

(not that some dont Inquisitors quietly bypass that system anyway)

[novel fulcrum]

fair

s'why all the temples are in secret locations

[open marsh]

I like the lesser known temples. Like the Vanus temple

Literally "They had an accident" levels of assassins. They probably wont be anywhere near you, when they kill you

[novel fulcrum]

is that the information-gathering discipline? i might be thinking of something else

[open marsh]

Yeah

They basically gather every single iota of data on you and those around you, then use that information to arrange your death. Normally in such a way that noone even knows you were assassinated

[novel fulcrum]

they invented the death note

[open marsh]

As if they would use something so simple as a magic book

Like you know the movie Final Destination?

That level of "death from out of nowhere" is the kinda stuff they pull off

Or it could be as simple s finding out you are abit clumbsy, so arrange for part of your carpet to be loose at the top of a stairwell you go down every morning

A Vanus assassin planning an assassination

Or maybe they want you to be dead and blame someone else. So they find out you have some enemies. Then arrange that you are out in the open and said enemy is nearby with a rifle. Neither of you knowing that it was the Vanus assassin who put you in this situation

End of the day. The target is dead. And noone knows that the Vanus assassin was involved in any way

Because he was 3 systems away minding his own business

[wispy widget]

Ok so I remember reading somewhere about eldar sneaking into the imperial palace is that right and if so how and what did they do?

[open marsh]

Dark Eldar. An Inquisitor wanted their help to repair the golden throne since a haemonculus was the only one who could possibly have the knowledge of how the damned thing works

[wispy widget]

Did it work?

[open marsh]

No. The Custodes didnt let them get anywhere near it, and that Inquisitor was executed as a traitor

[wispy widget]

Didnt the writer make the custodes look like chumps?

When they really arnt

[open marsh]

I dont remember tbh

I just remember the bullet points

[wispy widget]

Thanks :) so while I'm here thoughts on when the custodes murdered primaris for disobeying orders?

[crisp heath]

Harlequin eldar got into the imperial palace during the war of the beast too. Right up to the door before the throne before custodes rekt them

[open marsh]

Oh yeah that happened too

[crisp heath]

I just finished those books

That event indirectly led to the formation of the ordos malleus and ordo xenos

I wanna read some inquisitor books but aren't the ones they have super old?

[open marsh]

Still good

the Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin series are great

with the Bequin series still going

[wispy widget]

Oooo cool

[open marsh]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/emwhod/quick_question_reading_order_for_eisenhorn/

[crisp heath]

Ty for this

[crisp heath]

Where have I heard the name Inquisitor Bequin before?

Am I tripping?

[open marsh]

Bequin isnt an Inquisitor

But she is an Inquisitoral agent working under Eisenhorn

[hallow apex]

It’s better to say Bequin is an Inquisitorial agent working beneath the Holy Ordos, considering Eisenhorn is Diabolous Extremis and Ravenor is sanctioned as a rogue. Granted, the latter was returned to active duty, but only to hunt down the former.

[summer niche]

Sanctioned as a rogue

That sounds wierd

Shouldn't it be like "labelled a rogue" or something?

[cerulean wagon]

itd still be full o holes

and muck

[cloud kindle]

lol

[cerulean wagon]

ohgod

they thicc

[open marsh]

It could still be restored

[open marsh]

Dadbod Marines

[cloud kindle]

marines pulled out of retirement

[visual pumice]

i like the fat armour

[open marsh]

There actually was a chonky Space Wolf once. Had an issue with his geneseed that screwed with his metabolism. Instead of just producing more muscle. It didnt burn his fat off fast enough. So he got thicc

Haegr

[cloud kindle]

give him a big axe

[open marsh]

Someone made a kitbash of him once

[visual pumice]

what a boi

[dim totem]

Now I want dadbod marines

[visual pumice]

that has to be some work getting rid of the nurgle bits on a plague marine

[peak hamlet]

Yeah i read that book (or at least one in which he appeared) last yeah

[serene jungle]

So if you're not fit in the imperium, you are either a lowkey Nurgle worshipper or you're a Slaneeshi gorger

[vernal belfry]

Or a High Lord of Terra

(it's a joke, I have no clue)

[serene jungle]

How does a High Lord of Terra look and become one even

[limpid hedge]

Great clean one

[serene jungle]

oh

my

god

Emperor save me

[limpid hedge]

To go along with some soap bearers of Nurgel and some death guard sanitation marines

[vagrant osprey]

Steal back the Panacea STC from Trayzen

"Nurgle called you a bitch and said his collection is bigger. You gonna take that from him?"

[storm jungle]

Oh no the dark eldar have it

or did Trazyn re-steal it

[rotund siren]

I thought it was that the Deldar stole it, then Trazyn stole it from them?

[hallow apex]

Last I heard of the STC, it was still in Dark Eldar possession

[vagrant osprey]

Pfft, lets just sneak a bunch of Daemonettes into Commoragh

Nurgle and Slaanesh hate each other; it'd be great fun!

That would be some fantastic chessmastering.

Sneak Daemonettes into Commoragh to create a distraction while you steal the Panacea, then devote as many resources as possible into producing it and widely distributing it.

This kills the genestealer cults.

Publicly announce this plan everywhere so Tzneech doesn't get a goddamn thing from it.

Everybody involved gets executed for extreme heresy.

Tell Trazyen you put it back when you're done so the Necrons invade the daemon-riddled Commoragh

[prisma lark]

... and then, when everyone's gathered in Comorragh, from behind a lamp post emerges a hidden Imperator Titan

[crisp heath]

XD

[coarse mirage]

teleports behind you

[hallow apex]

Nani

[summer niche]

CREEEEEEEEEEEEED

[vagrant osprey]

Naaaahhhh... That's when we send in Sly

[summer niche]

Only creed can hide immensely huge vehicles behind tiny bushes and lampposts

[prisma lark]

obviously

this was all Creed's plan all along

and being "stuck" in Trollzyn's collection was a part of it too

[summer niche]

Absolute tactical genius

Bouta outflank trazyn

[hallow apex]

Is it true that Trayzn deployed Heresy-era Ultramarines during the Fall of Cadia?

[storm jungle]

Yeah along with a couple of other boomer units

[hallow apex]

Boomer units?

[storm jungle]

Basically really ancient ones along with more wacky stuff like vostroyans and tanith iirc

let me see if i can find it

This was not a Necron legion, nor even a body of troops drawn from a single world. The Tesseract's contents comprised the merest fragment of Trazyn's Imperial collection, drawn from archives filled to bursting, or storage vaults given over to duplicate exhibits. Some had languished in Solemnace's stasis vaults for Terran millennia, the fleeting centuries passing unnoticed. Others had joined the collection in but recent times, their captivity measured in solar months or years.

For Lieutenant-Commander Cerantes of the Ultramarines, barely an eyeblink had passed since the dark days of the Horus Heresy. For his Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts and mortal brothers alike, no guidance was needed save the presence of the blasphemous icons of Chaos, and the Imperium's double-headed Aquila. The Dreadnought Talon at their head, the time-lost Ultramarines prosecuted their eternal battle anew.

Others were not so swift to react. The Vostroyan Firstborn's XXI Regiment, taken by the Necron Overlord during one of the innumerable Greenskin offensives along the Segmentum Obscurus, found themselves beset with stasis sickness, their heads swimming as perceptions snapped back into step with reality. But the roar of battle cures many ills of the mind, and the desire for survival transcends all existential doubt. Orders rang out, and the shaken Vostroyans entered the fray, joined by snipers from long-dead Tanith, Salamanders thought lost during the Klovian disaster, and a lone warrior in golden armour, his scarlet plume and eagle heraldry seldom seen so far from the cradle of Mankind on Terra.

With the arrival of the impossible reinforcements, the Black Legion assault stalled. His self-appointed duty done, Trazyn returned to the shadows. The role of saviour might perhaps have suited him in that hour, but self-sacrifice was a task he gladly left to organics.

Yet there was one amongst the Tesseract-loosed group who did not join the battle, but surveyed it coldly from the fringes. Katarinya Greyfax, Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus, was not known for leaping to rash conclusions, for she counted rashness as but one of the many paths to heresy. Her bodyguard, drawn from the 55th Kappic Eagles, had learned this harsh lesson over many standard years of indentured service. Though Lasguns were levelled and safeties disengaged, not a single Scion fired.

[visual pumice]

love him dearly

[open marsh]

I wonder if Trayzn recaptured them. or if they managed to escape

[storm jungle]

They all died iirc lol

Yabbadon and his termies show up later

[open marsh]

:[

But....but....their wargear

[storm jungle]

Too late

get those relics outta here!

[open marsh]

; n ;

[plucky moth]

[cerulean wagon]

not even relics

just random junk hes been hording

even trayzn knows that

[open marsh]

Dilara is referring to my love of ancient patterns of wargear

[cerulean wagon]

i know

you talk about it

a lot

[open marsh]

~w~

Atleast I have a consistent theme

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/head-scratch-scratches-dog-pup-puppy-gif-16111983

pats pats pats

[open marsh]

💙

[hallow apex]

That was pretty good, but I assume it’s a codex anecdote?

[storm jungle]

Kind of?

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/13th_Black_Crusade

Its all from here but its basically just ALL the Fall of Cadia plotlines dumped into a single page.

Its copy pasted page by page.

So iirc pretty much anything to do with the Gathering Storm and its 3 Parts should be in here.

[coarse mirage]

Dabbadon

[ashen lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPbqDF_Q_sk&ab_channel=TyberPortoghese 50 more minutes til premier

[gaunt vector]

NICE

[grim sequoia]

[storm jungle]

OH SHIT

I thought this project was kaput!

[cerulean wagon]

what is it

[gaunt vector]

the last church

but a movie

[storm jungle]

@cerulean wagon Time to get the lore popcorn uncle scrooge

🍿

[kind dove]

Are there any solid examples of someone turning from Chaos? I was re-reading Rylanor’s Last Stand and do you think the thousand son sorcerer was turning from chaos? Or more reverent to Rylanor’s determination?

@cerulean wagon and @storm jungle you got any info for me?

[cerulean wagon]

the thousand sons arent willingly with chaos

[storm jungle]

I'd say reverant, T-Sons for the most part are pretty "human" by some standards as much as the lore makes them look like evil wizards that shoot lightning at you

[cerulean wagon]

their primarch fucked them all so its more of a mind control

you know im right

[kind dove]

So he somehow overrode his programming in the presence of Rylanor’s massive ceramite huevosdetermination?

Or did he literally turn loyalist for a split second

[storm jungle]

No the sorcerors are independant

it was more or so him feeling sympathy at a literal old man being abused

[kind dove]

I wonder if there are any other examples in lore

But like why would he care. He’s probably literally culled innocent planets

[storm jungle]

Probably because its a marine/marine thing.

[cerulean wagon]

theres a time in the webway a bunch of the dust suits get returned to concionce

its pgud i hear

[kind dove]

But does anyone ever forsake chaos? Or is it a one way street to always be bad?

[storm jungle]

I dont think so? Would need to ask an actual lore expert.

The issue is

When marines go "renegade" they always fall to chaos 99% of the time because GW cant differentiate for shit lol

[atomic pelican]

It's a shame because renegade marines could be more interesting if they fell for more

Or just... rebelled for themselves

[potent swift]

On the one hand, it's ridiculous all renegade marines go Chaos. On the other, I'd rather we not have another faction of Space Marines running around.

[atomic pelican]

True

[plucky moth]

Tau Marines

[kind dove]

It’d be insane for say... a living saint or something to “convert” a legion

Or maybe even just a single chaos marine

Chaos is always pulling out some insane ritual to cause chaos, it’d be neat if the reverse was true

[crisp heath]

Tau/human hybrids WHEN

[open marsh]

[misty epoch]

I know no real lore...I only know TTS stuff. Enlighten me to important stuff that will not turn me stupid.

[open marsh]

Take most of TTS stuff and wipe it from your mind. As much as they originally intended it as a "40k abridged" series. They got way too heavy into the memes

[misty epoch]

I would rather not fully wipe it but I know it is all one big joke at the very least.

[storm jungle]

The fans of TTS ruin it more than anything.

Its a great series.

[misty epoch]

The fans ruin it?

[storm jungle]

Repeating jokes and taking them for face value yeah

[cerulean wagon]

^

TTS is a great abridging of the setting

but theres a lot of exageration and memes

cause its an abridging, thatd what they do

people struggle to seperate the 2

so its not that tts is bad, just that theres a lot of in jokes that are taken at face value

[misty epoch]

Seems like it should be easy to separate. One is hilarious and mocks the Emperor for being a bad dad and the other is a dark depressing place where the only funny thing is the Orks and even they are as dark as everything else.

[cerulean wagon]

people still struggle somehow

🤷

we still get people coming in here thinking space marines have thicker armour than leman russ tanks, and IG cant use plasma guns

[misty epoch]

Considering Ogryn with no armor or weapons can out power a Marine I must say they certainly seem less amazing in cannon. Still bad ass though even if I will always love the Orks the most.

[cerulean wagon]

Basically the deal with SM

is take the strength and endurance of an ork

[final spruce]

Just the fact that you understand that already makes you above the average TTS fan

[cerulean wagon]

and slap it on n elite SAS team

and watch them clean house with micro rocket machineguns

[final spruce]

I mean Ogryns are something elsd

They are future ogres

[cerulean wagon]

oh yeah ogryns are great on raw strength

i just mean SM can be interesting but they arent all powerful as the wider fanbase says

[final spruce]

So they are around 2.5m tall and weight around 1 ton

Sadly the marines literally have a category of book that makes them Mary sues, bolter porn

[misty epoch]

What type of monster could one create if you try to put a Ogryn through the process of SM modifications?

[final spruce]

Well the issue would be that the operation would fail in like 99% of cases

Because the geneseed is from Primarchs and just that alone makes it tricky to do for humans

[storm jungle]

Late here. But that just shows you're at least more mature. (nvm saw Zherlum's message saying the same thing as me lol)

[final spruce]

Ogryns being a mutant human Strain, i believe the genetic difference would make it impossible

Thats my understanding of both subjets

And since my attention spam is too short for me to dwelve too deep into lore, its mostly surface knowledge speaking

[final spruce]

Thats because thats a fact dilara

[plucky moth]

separate what?

[misty epoch]

Well curses I can only imagine the unstoppable nightmare one could make if they did such a procedure.

[mossy nebula]

Hello ! does anyone have a moment to talk about our Lords and Saviors, Khorne, Tzeetch, Nurgel, Slaanesh?

[rotund siren]

Forgetting Malice smh

[mossy nebula]

we dont like that one

[grim sequoia]

[final spruce]

I dont recognize half of the names mentionned

[final spruce]

Something on par with Custodes physically but dumber Id assume

[grim sequoia]

Sont we kill nurgle in vermintide2 drackenfell dlc

[cloud kindle]

malal doesnt exist shut up about him

[grim sequoia]

Like i remember being told they are seperate but the chaos lords are the same

But like

COINCIDENCE?

Possibly

[mossy nebula]

they are not the same

[grim sequoia]

Oh wait wat

[mossy nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxZMOAmtWPw

enjoy

[grim sequoia]

Brb

Wait

An hr and a half

[mossy nebula]

And welcome to the path of Chaos

[grim sequoia]

Is that a good thing

[mossy nebula]

and yea theres alot what did you expect a picnic

yes!

we are wayyy better

[grim sequoia]

R you bias?

[mossy nebula]

dont let those corpse emperor lackeys tell you otherwise !

[grim sequoia]

Definitely biased

[mossy nebula]

Biased?! me ?? never!!

[grim sequoia]

[odd sparrow]

isn't that the mind numbingly moronic's dude most mind numbingly moronic video

or is that another one

[storm jungle]

yeah

[odd sparrow]

wonderful

[storm jungle]

tbh Luetin and OneMindSyndicate are the same

one is just more well prepared for a presentation lol

[mossy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/war-hammer-fantasy-gif-19395056

[grim sequoia]

[storm jungle]

"let me just talk about cosmic timeology for 30 minutes"

me: is this a 40k video

[rotund siren]

was Luetin the one who talked about fuckin' quantum mechanics?

[mossy nebula]

i think so lol

[rotund siren]

sheesh

[mossy nebula]

def wasnt OMS lol

[odd sparrow]

baldermort remains the only valid 40k loretuber

[grim sequoia]

U

U put a B

Is that supposed to be quirky

[mossy nebula]

Vaults of Terra is pretty good

same for Oculis Imperilia or whatever its called he pretends to be a scribe adpet

[grim sequoia]

Wtf

I recommend you wtach other video i did b4 watching this video

Even though this video is 1.5 hrs long

What sort of rabbit hole is this

[odd sparrow]

every time u post that emoji i come closer to committing homicide

[grim sequoia]

LMAO

[mossy nebula]

what are you talking about wire

[grim sequoia]

SORRY

The video u sent me

[mossy nebula]

yea ive seen most of his

2 hr commutes you listen to alot

[grim sequoia]

Its like watch my other video

[mossy nebula]

idk how much you know when it comes to 40k but to explain anything in it takes time

alot of time

[grim sequoia]

:pepeHmm

[odd sparrow]

no it doesn't

[atomic pelican]

People severely overstate how complicated 40k is

[odd sparrow]

dicking about for 1 hour being a pretentious weirdo dickweed who doesn't know how to write a basic video of exposition takes time

[atomic pelican]

It's mostly just self-contradictory more than it is complicated

[misty epoch]

I will die sitting through school, but listening to Warhammer lore for twelve hours? Aw yeah now that is my kind of learning.

[odd sparrow]

^

[mossy nebula]

its not the complication of it just the amount

[odd sparrow]

what ontu said

most of the amount of 40k fluff contradicts the rest

[rotund siren]

yea

but I mean

[odd sparrow]

it's not a cohesive universe, it's a setting in which authors in the like triple digits write their own stories and snippets

[atomic pelican]

Yep

[odd sparrow]

if u treat it like a cohesive universe then yea it's gonna take years

[atomic pelican]

It's like the dime novels of scifi

[grim sequoia]

So wait

Who started it all then

And what happened to them

[rotund siren]

GW?

[atomic pelican]

A company called gw trying to sell miniatures

[rotund siren]

yeah

[atomic pelican]

The lore of 40k being so broken makes alot more sense when you see it from the fact that it's a tabletop wargame

not a cohesive story

One which is trying to sell multiple factions

[grim sequoia]

That makes sense

[odd sparrow]

GW makes a boardgame, GW makes a setting for this boardgame, GW eventually expands this setting out to novels, games etc

annoying weirdos make awful videos about this setting

[grim sequoia]

I just figured some guy in his basement got really high one night

[odd sparrow]

i wish i was dead

[rotund siren]

It is a pretty unique thing though

[atomic pelican]

It's unique but many of its individual parts are just ripped from other sources

[mossy nebula]

the horus hersey novels take up 60 books and thats just the prelim to 40k

[odd sparrow]

ye

[atomic pelican]

It's like a frankenstein

[grim sequoia]

And a symphony orchestra wrote this his mind face

[plucky moth]

honestly just take all the cool shit you like and roll with it in headcanon

[atomic pelican]

^

[rotund siren]

yes

[odd sparrow]

Incan is correct

[grim sequoia]

But does that mean

[rotund siren]

Incan's always right

[grim sequoia]

Lore contradicts each other

Bc they r made by so many different groups

[atomic pelican]

Pretty much

Different authors

[grim sequoia]

So doesnt that mean anything is possible

[rotund siren]

basically, sure

[atomic pelican]

+people trying to sell factions, so will portray factions as being either stronger or weaker

[mossy nebula]

yup they killed off a leader of my faction in 30k but hes alive in 40k

[grim sequoia]

Weird

[odd sparrow]

tfw genestealer cults have a cult on literally every single planet of note in the setting in their codex

[mossy nebula]

multiple authors does that

[odd sparrow]

barely even get mentioned elsewhere

[storm jungle]

Also dont forget the dumb shit about "everything is canon" or whatever else was that stupid statement from Black Library

[atomic pelican]

LUL yeah

[plucky moth]

strength of lasguns, for example, is a thing that varies a lot depending on who you ask

[atomic pelican]

GSC's being one of the largest threats to the imperium in their codex

[odd sparrow]

tbh the canon thing isn't awful

[atomic pelican]

Only shows up in SoB books

[odd sparrow]

like

[rotund siren]

or if they have recoil or not

[odd sparrow]

it's basically just a way of saying there is no cohesive canon, do ur own thing

[storm jungle]

Realistically speaking without plot-tape stopping them there'd be genestealer cults in every planet in the galaxy lol

[odd sparrow]

as opposed to like

[atomic pelican]

Yeah it perfectly fits a game that has to maintain its wargameness

[odd sparrow]

the dumb thing star wars does with having like, degrees of canon or whatever

[atomic pelican]

And yeah, there probably is some kind of cult on near every planet

[grim sequoia]

Ratty do you mind if i post my popohmm

[atomic pelican]

Same for the tyrannid nega-plotarmor effect

[odd sparrow]

yes

[grim sequoia]

[plucky moth]

"everything is canon" is just the easiest copout for the hole they've put themselves in

better than watching them progressively try and dig their way out of it only to probably make it worse for everyone

[odd sparrow]

Yeah exactly

i'd WAY prefer they put their arms in the air and say whatever dude than try to actually establish a canon

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[final spruce]

I wouldnt see 40k pull out a League of legends like that

[odd sparrow]

it would be dumb, impossible and pointless

and only a big deal to the sweaty nerds who give a shit

[atomic pelican]

We know that if GW set a hard canon, It'd just make ultramarines even more invincible mary sues

[misty epoch]

Seems like they should have enforced some rules before telling people to do as they like.

[atomic pelican]

and it'd be set in stone

[odd sparrow]

exactly

[grim sequoia]

:popohmm

[storm jungle]

Not gonna lie dude

im just here for the end times

and how hard GW messes that up if it ever happens in the next 90 years

[odd sparrow]

god

That would be fun to watch tbh

[atomic pelican]

The assrage would be worth it

[odd sparrow]

exactly

Imagine it

there were tt armies burnt when it happened to fantasy and the fantasy community has always been way smaller and way less sweaty than 40ks

IMAGINE it

[storm jungle]

ANARCHY

[grim sequoia]

[plucky moth]

40k end times would be so fucking unreal lmao

[storm jungle]

I hope i get to see 40k end before i die

no joke

[atomic pelican]

o7

[storm jungle]

Im so curious about it

[plucky moth]

I wonder how they'd make it happen

nids?

[atomic pelican]

please nids

[odd sparrow]

tyranids get a few successes in the like first book, then the emperor blocks them out of the galaxy and they never do anything for the next 10 books

[atomic pelican]

REMOVE T HE SEAL MASTER, JUST THIS ONCE

[final spruce]

I think GW will meet its end before the 40k universe at this point

[atomic pelican]

LET THE NIDS IN

[odd sparrow]

they get a mention in the last few pages of the last book

[atomic pelican]

scream

[odd sparrow]

genestealer cults do nothing

[atomic pelican]

skarsnik'd

[odd sparrow]

tau die offscreen

[rotund siren]

nah, clearly it is Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo

[plucky moth]

lmao

[mossy nebula]

YAAY FOR HERESY

[odd sparrow]

hm who would be skarsnik'd

[grim sequoia]

Uraheresy

[atomic pelican]

gav thorpe writes the eldar ending where they just all wilt over and die from being so frail and dying race

[grim sequoia]

[odd sparrow]

god

[storm jungle]

LOL

[odd sparrow]

gav would

[storm jungle]

The best part is

the propechy they have

actually hints at that shit

LMAO

[rotund siren]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhh

[atomic pelican]

The Chad AoS aelves vs the Virgin 40k aelves

[odd sparrow]

if GW had sense they'd establish shield walls at every entrance to the BL headquarters

[atomic pelican]

elves

[odd sparrow]

keep gav out

[storm jungle]

o g o r

[rotund siren]

lmao

[odd sparrow]

all the eldar mains would volunteer

[atomic pelican]

Writers like him should be lashed to a cross

[storm jungle]

^

Not even a joke

[odd sparrow]

him and his greasy hair

[storm jungle]

get em boyz

[grim sequoia]

[rotund siren]

wow

[final spruce]

Thats violent

[rotund siren]

I'm glad I never read one of his things then

[atomic pelican]

Thorpe is the most british looking man alive

[odd sparrow]

I take offense

tho he is

[atomic pelican]

you know Im Right

SDFHN

[final spruce]

Thats not cool, yes he is a boomer and a bad writer but he isnt a shithead like goto

[mossy nebula]

yea matt ward should be topp of that list

[odd sparrow]

we're elffuckers here

to us he's basically thatcher

[storm jungle]

Look at this bastard, GREASY-ASS

[atomic pelican]

GE TEM

[rotund siren]

he looks

like

every programming university dropout

[odd sparrow]

he looks like he secretly hates immigrants

[grim sequoia]

Soyboy

[odd sparrow]

he used to be a member of ukip but then they imploded

[plucky moth]

holy shit really?

lmao

[odd sparrow]

nO

well i hope not

[plucky moth]

ok thank god

[odd sparrow]

oh man he has his own website

does anyone subscribe to a ddos network

i have need of it

[grim sequoia]

[atomic pelican]

I wonder when GW will just publically denounce eldar players before removing craftworlds

[odd sparrow]

to be CLEAR i am joking

[plucky moth]

ok but like real talk 40k end times will be like

genestealers actually just take over all the planets at once

that's it

[atomic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-burning-hell-gif-4808980

[storm jungle]

also mechanicum instantly going out the main board

[plucky moth]

takes like

2 books

[storm jungle]

because the void dragon wakes up

[rotund siren]

Ratty joking? Impossible

[odd sparrow]

oh man mechanicus would be like

[rotund siren]

honestly, I could absolutely see that

[odd sparrow]

second or first book

insta gone

kislev 2.0

[storm jungle]

Yep this all jokes aside

[atomic pelican]

space marines go throughout the entirety without a mention until the last few pages

where it mentions that they all died

the end

[storm jungle]

mechanicus and I.G are the only thing holding the imperium together

[odd sparrow]

i wish

[storm jungle]

remove one and boom, it will crumble

[odd sparrow]

realistically yeah

but nop

space marines are all we need

[plucky moth]

ok actual end times though
not joking
final stand just becomes ultramarines hard carrying

[rotund siren]

;-;

yeah

[atomic pelican]

A future worth living for

[odd sparrow]

all the primarchs come back one after the other, promptly die in the dumbest most sUbVeRsIvE ways

[grim sequoia]

[rotund siren]

Every Primarch will come back alive and have a big fight

[rotund siren]

JINX

[odd sparrow]

corvus kills The Wanker and then promptly gets murdered by like idk

a harlequin

[storm jungle]

LOL

[atomic pelican]

that'd be letting the eldar have a win

not allowed.

[storm jungle]

God i can see it

[royal herald]

wheres the post about possibilities for 40k end times and one of them is a lamenter and ultramarine working together and causing a reality destroying paradox by being incapable of winning and losing at the same time

[grim sequoia]

Oh hey jiop

[final spruce]

Nah the universe ends when the guards all converge at one point, creating a singularity so massive the universe ends

[storm jungle]

Also i got the best ending for the tau

they just leave the galaxy

lol

[odd sparrow]

OEUSDRGHEAS

[storm jungle]

"fuck this shit"

[atomic pelican]

More guardsman than particles in the galaxy

[odd sparrow]

I'd actually like that

literally just

u know what this shit is fucked

[storm jungle]

it makes too much sense imo

[odd sparrow]

i'm out

peace

[atomic pelican]

Sometimes the only way to win, is to not play at all

I hope the nids eat the galaxy

[plucky moth]

"the greatest good...is elsewhere fuck this"

[final spruce]

There is actually a post with all the numbers of iG in the entirety of the galaxy

[atomic pelican]

YES

[odd sparrow]

we're gonna go use nid tech or smthn to blast our entire empire into the longest void between galaxies our telescopes can find

[atomic pelican]

I've seen that one

[final spruce]

Nuff dakka

[odd sparrow]

we're not gonna risk even going into another galaxy

they're probs full of weird ass shit anyways

probs bugs

[mossy nebula]

goes to new galaxy

welcomed by nids

[atomic pelican]

If the galaxy is evil, then the most ethical action is to eat it

[odd sparrow]

clearly

[atomic pelican]

tyrannids as the new most moral faction

[odd sparrow]

this post made by midir gang

eat the evil

[atomic pelican]

eat the pain

[rotund siren]

hmm

[storm jungle]

We represent.

The genestealer guild

The genestealer guild

The genestealer guild

[odd sparrow]

hm so

exodites would die offscreen

corsairs would die offscreen

[atomic pelican]

drukhari sit the entire thing out in the webway and then show up like "what the hell guys?"

[odd sparrow]

commorogh or however it's spelled is killed in the like third book, elves have to all band together before they die

[atomic pelican]

when the entire galaxy is dead

[odd sparrow]

tbh that's how it should be

they're just out here squatting in the toad subway

[storm jungle]

• Written by Galvatron Thorpe

[rotund siren]

GALVATRON

wooo

[storm jungle]

woop woop

[atomic pelican]

they put gav into a mechsuit so he could continue writing bad eldar books for the rest of time

[rotund siren]

lmao

[mossy nebula]

lolol

[odd sparrow]

even in death i fucking hate elves

[storm jungle]

• gav thorpe

[atomic pelican]

Hopefully GW keeps their thing of not letting thorpe write anything near the eldar again

[final spruce]

So Gav becomes a dreadnought ?

[odd sparrow]

Hopefully

each big IG character has a part towards the end in which they appear for like

a page each

before being murdered by abbadon

[storm jungle]

That poll he did was cringe

[atomic pelican]

LUL

[odd sparrow]

god that

[mossy nebula]

what was the poll

[final spruce]

You assume we have heroes lmao

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656631616336166952/822844182368223292/unknown.png

[final spruce]

They get killed by gw already

[storm jungle]

after like

his 3rd book

got cancelled

[atomic pelican]

IG had more than most factions at least

[storm jungle]

[atomic pelican]

except space marines

where like

[mossy nebula]

lol

[atomic pelican]

they have more named characters than some factions have hal fof their codices

[final spruce]

Do we count the dead ones ?

[odd sparrow]

space marines have like three per chapter lol

[atomic pelican]

Considering that that's still more than some factions

[odd sparrow]

it's dumb

[atomic pelican]

yes

Im waiting for GSC' to get a named kerrigan-esque character

praying

Tho TBH the fact that GSC's have no named characters has grown on me

[odd sparrow]

hopefully with a better design

[atomic pelican]

I write my own

[mossy nebula]

is Yarrick still alive ?

[final spruce]

Thing is GSC is pretty new so might take a while

[storm jungle]

Hes in purgatory

[odd sparrow]

not really

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[odd sparrow]

like

[atomic pelican]

I figure that

[storm jungle]

until GW rememers him

[mossy nebula]

rip lol

[odd sparrow]

i don't think he was killed off but like

[final spruce]

He is alive but heh

[grim sequoia]

[odd sparrow]

skarsnik'd

[grim sequoia]

Sorry well umm good talk

[storm jungle]

Sly Marbleballs needs to die too

[rotund siren]

he isn't dead yet?

[mossy nebula]

i just want the 3rd Black Legion book already AABowden needs to hurry up

[rotund siren]

honestly, I'm surprised Marbo hasn't been Trazyn'd or something

[plucky moth]

hate how on the nose that fuckin' rambo reference is

[final spruce]

Marbo has the same meme power as Trazyn

Neither will die

[misty epoch]

Warhammer memes are forever.

[crisp heath]

Marbo is a imperial saint

he cannot die

[crisp heath]

Ok I've started the horus heresy books

[crisp heath]

Nice’

[cerulean wagon]

enjoy the first 3-4

the rest vary in quality massivley

[crisp heath]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8vhghs/book_excerpts_the_last_wall_ork_diplomat/ @limpid hedge read this excerpt about ork diplomats on terra and thought of you

[misty epoch]

There are Ork diplomats?

[potent swift]

Beast Arises was weird like that

They were kind of a throwback to the Krork but not quite there.

Rorks, if you will

[crisp heath]

How many books is beast arizes

[potent swift]

12

Which is way longer than I thought

[crisp heath]

😳

Damn thats a commitment

[gusty heron]

they are good though

good afternoon all

I bought them all

[crisp heath]

Nice

[mossy nebula]

How is Slaanesh in Old World 40k when he/she doesn't come to be until the age of strife ? Cause time and Warp doesn't matter or was there another explanation

sorry not "Old World 40k" Meant Sigmar and that era

[cerulean wagon]

sigmar is a different universe

thats why

they arent connected

other than by the brand

[mossy nebula]

ahhh

so old world 40k Slanessh wanst a thing?

im retarded lol idk why i keep saying 40k

the one Archon desytored

[cerulean wagon]

slaanesh existed there

but it has nothing to do with 40k

[mossy nebula]

ok cool

[cerulean wagon]

the age of strife never happened in warhammer fantasy

because thats a 40k thing

[mossy nebula]

i alwasy thought it was early terra and they just eventually killed all the other races off

[cerulean wagon]

nope

early terra was mad max

[mossy nebula]

Thanks for the clarification !

[cerulean wagon]

before that it was uhh

the federation

basically think star trek

they were a prosperous human civilisation that spanned the galaxy but later collapsed

[mossy nebula]

and that was around age of stife when they all collapsed

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

[mossy nebula]

ok sweet

[fast forge]

Man... can't believe the Eldar kickstarted the Age of Strife

[mossy nebula]

yuuppp damn Knife ears lol

[fast forge]

Damn "elves" birthing a chaos god

[mossy nebula]

as a Chaos player im not to entirely mad about this since i get Noise Bois

[fast forge]

Fair

[mossy nebula]

and Slaanesh deamons move very fast

[fast forge]

Ye

[mossy nebula]

now if only we could get that 2 wound update alreadyyyy

[fast forge]

Lol, idk about that one. Horde armies shouldn't have more than 1 wound each

[mossy nebula]

this is 40k were not a horde army lol

[fast forge]

Unless you mean marines

[mossy nebula]

aye

[fast forge]

Then yes, they should

Thought you meant daemons

[mossy nebula]

yea only the Corpse Throne Lackeys got it right now and yea my bad im Black Legion on table top so i can literally field anything chaos related so i usually talk about it as one thing

[fast forge]

Fair

[potent swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnVwcPTpCL8&ab_channel=AdeptusRidiculous

[coarse mirage]

The franchises aren't connected and have different lore for the Chaos Gods.

[crisp heath]

I just finished the last one last weekend

My head canon is still that sigmar and archeon are the two lost primarchs. It's still real to me dammit 😭

[mossy nebula]

its a good theory but the other primarchs at least from chaos talk about the pruning of those two and their legions

[coarse mirage]

It's terrible because they existed very far apart.

[crisp heath]

I've heard like, at least the old world, fantasy warhammer is just a world the old ones made and put all the races on it

[coarse mirage]

Sigmar is how many thousand years before the man who becomes Archeon has a snap and goes rogue?

[crisp heath]

But GW themselves said it's not true

But it's still real to me dammit 😭

[mossy nebula]

dont know enough about fantasy to weigh in but i know Alpharious talks about it in his new book Sons of The Hydra and Lorgar mentions it when talking about Lemon

and they hint a lot that the wolves did it since they're the "emperor's executioners"

[coarse mirage]

Mentions what? THe lost primarchs being deleted?

[mossy nebula]

That they were sentenced to death by Big E for some unknown reason

its not like outright say who they were why they were killed etc but its mentioned a few times through out the heresy novels ive read and the Alpharious book

[coarse mirage]

It's known that they were but not for what reason.

[mossy nebula]

yea exactly

[coarse mirage]

There's also Cawl making Primaris with gene-seed we don't know of and so on.

And the Cursed Founding

[mossy nebula]

hes totally using heretic gene seed

[coarse mirage]

Cawl also has his personal Primaris who's quite the oddity.

[mossy nebula]

oh yea its that one marine yea ?

cant remember what book it was when they were talkin about him

[coarse mirage]

Wears grey and all that, is a bit weird

[mossy nebula]

yeap yeap i member now

https://tenor.com/view/reminisce-memory-fond-memory-thinking-back-old-days-gif-9974161

[kind dove]

Alpha Primus!

[crisp heath]

The missing primarchs are ovviously gork and morks

[kind dove]

Constantly in horrific pain from all of Cawls meddling

[crisp heath]

I want the alpharius book in audio

[mossy nebula]

i got the limited edition its so sexxxyyy

[crisp heath]

The problem with reading any book that focuses on a faction.....I want to go out and start an army of it 😝

I have a big Ultramar Auxilia army with primaris support but after reading the breast arises I want imperial fists

[mossy nebula]

Lol i feel that Zero

[peak hamlet]

Yeah that and seeing how great their models look. I started with tyranids but the space marines in their codex looked even better so i started collecting space marines and then discovered chaos marines and now i have like 9 unfinished armies

[open marsh]

Dude is a demi-Primarch

[crisp heath]

Question:

If the emperor is not a god, as he claimed he wasn't, how do miracles and such help his troops and especially the sisters?

[gaunt vector]

because humanity is gen3 of the Old ones weapons project, balancing the orks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH energy and the eldar's psychic bs. WAAAAGH is reworked as faith and psychic is a bit nerfed

[storm jungle]

More or so this yep.

Its a mix of his passive psychic abilities being boosted by the astronomicon in the imperium’s borders and being called upon by imperials if they can harness enough of it.

[open marsh]

spot on

[gaunt vector]

yey

we also get shorter lifespans and no reincarnation (usually) to avoid some of the issues that the other specise had

[storm jungle]

Yeah no matter what the Sororitas fans might want you to believe Faith powers are still psychic in nature.

[mossy nebula]

Theres also the theory of the Big E being a god in the warp since for 10k years hes been worshiped as one all his saints and legion of the dammed are his verions of Deamons etc

[open marsh]

Well its kind of implied that we were intended to get reincarnation (perpetuals) but the Old Ones were deleted before they could finish our design

[coarse mirage]

Can new Custodes be made?

[mossy nebula]

yea they got wiped down to a 1000 in the heresy

pretty sure theyre back to full strength now

[storm jungle]

Yeah they can be

[plucky moth]

Custom made Custodes

[coarse mirage]

So this book just now saying a single one of them lost is one less to defend the throne is only a half truth

[mossy nebula]

lol

[storm jungle]

Thats just them being dramatic

[gaunt vector]

ah

well hecc

[storm jungle]

They're taken from the sons of terran nobles in a big-ass gate near one corner of the palace and then brought in as initiates from there to be altered by checks script

"gene-alchemy"

[mossy nebula]

Lions Gate?

[coarse mirage]

Magic, gotcha.

[open marsh]

Yeah. and a Ctan mentions that humanity has deviated far from our original design. (he said he knows the works of his enemys, the Old Ones)

[storm jungle]

Yeee its basically handwaved

its one of the reasons why people say female custodians should also be a thing since you cant use "geneseed" as an excuse

[gaunt vector]

ooooohhh that's kinda cool. I want to see the STC for humanity

[open marsh]

yee

[open marsh]

Can use "its space magic and I said "no"" tho

:3

[storm jungle]

You know what fuck you

[open marsh]

💙

[storm jungle]

gets female custodes

[open marsh]

"females your custodes"

[storm jungle]

Same thing!

[open marsh]

We do have the Sisters of Silence. Who have the same role as Custodes

[storm jungle]

They kinda dont though

Its not the same thing and I dont want it!

yells

[open marsh]

Also, it is just me. Or does some of Blanche's art of the Sisters of Silence look like the Dancer of the Boreal Valley from Dark Souls 3?

[visual pumice]

Dancer is a cutie

[misty epoch]

Until she stabs you into the ground in a fire storm.

[open marsh]

laughs in Bloodborne Build

dodge roll dodge roll dodge roll. Crossbow. attack attack attack

[misty epoch]

One must embrace suffering not run from it.

[odd sparrow]

Are we crushing on the dancer

[visual pumice]

ofc

vordt too

[odd sparrow]

Cus if so u have clearly not attempted an early game dancer rush

[visual pumice]

thicc bastard that he is

[open marsh]

I was just pointing out that she looks like a Sister of Silence when they are drawn by Blanche

[odd sparrow]

I hate her so much

In spite of the ass

Hm valid

[misty epoch]

Chunky Crazy crawling mace man.

[open marsh]

She dont even have much of an ass. she a stick

[storm jungle]

Still gonna crush tho

[visual pumice]

Gael has the peak male form tbh

long wise beard

broad shoulders

massive gaping hole in chest

[odd sparrow]

Wrong

[open marsh]

Gael is literally the best boy in Dark Souls

[odd sparrow]

U even get a nice ass if you just wear her armour

[misty epoch]

All the better to see his burning desires!

[open marsh]

your character has a nice ass in her armour. The Dancer doesnt

[odd sparrow]

But ur ass isn't that nice in other sets

Ur waist also becomes smol p sure

It's like what happens to the characters head in the silver Knight helmet

[open marsh]

Thats how little ass the Dancer has. Even her armour cant give her an ass

[visual pumice]

she's got some junk on the trunk

[odd sparrow]

Instead of smol head it's big ass

[open marsh]

I do feel bad for her tho

One of Gwynevre's daughters, essentially enslaved by the Pontiff and turned into his Bride of the Emperor "bodyguard" until he got bored of her, gave her one of the pontiff's eye rings, and let her degenerate into little more than a mad beast

[visual pumice]

feel sorry for most characters in that universe

[open marsh]

Yeah. Its why I cant really lewd anyone from Dark Souls....it just feels wrong

[cloud kindle]

Amazing chest ahead

[open marsh]

okay there are a handful of exceptions

[misty epoch]

Try Finger But hole is still one of the funniest things I saw.

[open marsh]

I mean have you seen Andre the Blacksmith?

💙

[visual pumice]

Andre is pretty peak male

especially with his age

[open marsh]

Silverfox AF

Im pretty sure he could relight the flame just by flexing at it

[royal herald]

Time to put this brawn to use

dropkicks you

[open marsh]

And he is one of the few characters without a super depressing backstory

because we dont know his backstory

[plucky moth]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-thepruld-andre-astora-blacksmith-smith-hammer-big-dance-smithing-gif-18427163

[open marsh]

Like did he ever explain why he came to Lordran? He is from Astoria

[open marsh]

(and was apparently friends with Gwyn's personal blacksmith)

[visual pumice]

can't recall anything

from the top of my head anyway

[open marsh]

Its why I respect Andre so much. To him, his past doesnt matter much. He is a blacksmith and he does his job. Its all that matters to him. And why he is one of the longest lived character in the series (rivaling Patches) and yet has never gone hollow

Just realized this is 40k lore chat and not #735951004989784104

[visual pumice]

yeah

[open marsh]

[visual pumice]

aahahah

every chat gets derailed regularly anyway

[cloud kindle]

Good fellow ahead

[storm jungle]

Its great lol

[open marsh]

Know what would be a fun story in 40k? If some pre-heresy Dark Angels emerged from getting lost in the warp. See some Angels of Vengence or Consecrators under attack, so move to assist them (since those chapter still wear the old legion's colors). The members of the successor chapter get knocked out, so the Dark Angels bring them onboard their ship for medical treatment.

So we get a "Horus Heresy? Fallen? What are you talking about, brother? We are on the Great Crusade to reunite humanity!" meme

[novel fulcrum]

pfffff

that'd be pretty good

[storm jungle]

poor guys cant get a break

[novel fulcrum]

and then the modern dark angels probably start shooting the great crusade dark angels because they look like fallen

[open marsh]

possibly. tho it would be fun for them to try to reign that habit in when they realize these guys arent actually fallen

[crisp heath]

I dont get dark angels

Their thing is they have a secret?

Whats the secret

[visual pumice]

i don't think they know

[novel fulcrum]

except for the ones that do

[open marsh]

Their secret is that 500 of them went back to Caliban. Fell to Chaos. Created a "2nd" legion of Dark Angels, intent on having Caliban succeed from the Imperium.

The treason was discovered immediately after the heresy. When the Imperium was still very much paranoid. So would have wiped out the Dark Angels

[novel fulcrum]

which essentially means that the secret shame that causes dark angels to pull out of entire theaters of war without notice to reallocate their troops is because they have the same thing every other loyalist astartes legion has: traitors

[open marsh]

(and even in the later millenia. That paranoia remains. Like when an Inquisitor found out about a Fallen, she jumped to conclusions that then entire chapter had fallen to Chaos and tried to get the Grey Knights to delete them)

[novel fulcrum]

but apparently the dark angels having traitors is for some reason way worse than any other legion having traitors

[open marsh]

yeh

But the incident with that Inquisitor kinda shows why they are still trying to keep mum about it

She didnt do the "Oh you have traitors? big whoop. so did every legion. As long as you still serve the emperor and kill said traitors. we good"

She went full "The Dark Angels (as a whole) have obviously fallen to chaos. they must be purged. Every one of them!"

[crisp heath]

Wait so

[novel fulcrum]

but again, it makes no earthly sense that an inquisitor would suddenly want to destroy the dark angels lineage because they found an isolated traitor, unless they would do the same if they found a former ultramarines renegade or a salamanders renegade and so on

[crisp heath]

All the memes about Dark Angels being heretics

Is 100% lore accurate

[novel fulcrum]

if you genuinely consider the dark angels to be traitors, then every legion is traitorous

because they all contained traitors

[plucky moth]

Every legion is traitorous

[open marsh]

No

[cloud kindle]

Salamanders are good boys though

[novel fulcrum]

but i guarantee you some odd ones out betrayed the imperium for one reason or another

[open marsh]

Dragon Warriors: a chaos warband of corrupted Salamanders

[visual pumice]

handsome

[novel fulcrum]

there's traitors of all stripes

if anything, the real treasonous actions the angels are guilty of is keeping that fact hidden and going to such lengths at the expense of the imperium at large just to maintain their image

[open marsh]

Where the memes come from is one of the Fallen. one of their leaders. Made the claim that the Fallen were the loyal ones who were just trying to purge the chaos corrupted traitors. That the Lion had been corrupted by chaos. And the only reason he was late to the siege of terra was because he had been waiting to see who would win. So ne could throw his lot in with the victors

[novel fulcrum]

their sin is pride, and someday soon, they'll have to repent

[open marsh]

However. That same Fallen also tried to team up with Typhus of the Death Guard in order to create a new legion of Death Guard/Fallen (all beholden to Nurgle). Called the Death Angels.

And we saw in the Horus Heresy that the Lion was only late to the Siege of Terra because he and his legion were holding off the Word Bearers so that Guilliman and the Ultramarines could get there sooner and provide reinforcements

[crisp heath]

I dont like any of it

Remove dark angels plz

From lore

[open marsh]

(and thats not counting ||That Corswain had managed to make it to the Siege and used his forces to reclaim the Astronomicon from the traitors and relight it so that the loyalist reinforcements could get to Terra||)

[novel fulcrum]

i want to like them, because their organizations are kind of cool, but for real, if there was ever an example of space marines having amplified emotions, they're prime

they're just so paranoid about it all even though literally every other legion had traitors

[vagrant osprey]

Does it ever say WHY the Dragon Warriors turned to chaos?

[novel fulcrum]

but they have to be the first and best, the purest of them all, so they can never speak the truth

[odd sparrow]

fire makes them horny, therefore hellfire

[vagrant osprey]

Other legions it's obvious, or it's explained.

[odd sparrow]

ez

[visual pumice]

for the epic win perhaps?

[vagrant osprey]

Ok, I like that PFP. Where's it from? :D

[novel fulcrum]

well, they specifically want to destroy the salamanders all the time, so probably something to do with internal conflict

[open marsh]

Yeah their paranoia is a problem. And their "secrets" arent as secret as they think. Its kinda sad. Its like a kid trying to hide the mess he made when his parents already know of the mess but dont even consider it bad enough to chide him. But the kid is having a panic attack

[novel fulcrum]

yeh

so like

i hate the dark angels because they're being so stupid about all of it

but i like them because it goes to show that being a superhuman astartes comes with drawbacks

[open marsh]

The thing with the Dark Angels is that they dont know everyone knows. Even tho a Chaos Marine told them (they didnt believe him because he was a chaos marine)

[vagrant osprey]

The Dark Angels do more damage to the Imperium trying to keep their secret than Abbadon managed to do prior to the fall of Cadia.

[novel fulcrum]

when they laugh, the room is aglow with cheer
when they weep, the sky weeps with them
when they rage, the earth trembles beneath their feet
and when they doubt, everyone looks to be an enemy

[vagrant osprey]

And the Dark Angels seem intent on catching back up.

[open marsh]

Eh. Thats just a meme tbh

[vagrant osprey]

Err... No, it really isn't.

[storm jungle]

🍿

[odd sparrow]

lore war

lore war

[open marsh]

Deceiver Part 2: argument boogaloo

[vagrant osprey]

The Black Templars are on the verge of open war with the Dark Angels after the Dark Angels destroyed a Black Templar battle barge with all hands because it was handing over a suspected fallen

I don't even know how many times the Dark Angels have abandoned the defense of a world to chase a rumor and allowed it to fall.

[novel fulcrum]

i guess i can't say for sure how much in current canon the dark angels have caused trouble in their war on the fallen, but they are known to just abandon other imperial forces on their warfronts to go hunt down some fallen, and there was that one (now retconned) incident where they literally blew up an entire black templars battlefleet, not because they knew about the fallen, but because they had caught cypher (not really knowing who he is beyond being a dark angels renegade) and they were going to tell their high marshal that they made a prisoner exchange with the dark angels

so they blew them up

[open marsh]

They were doing that during the Great Crusade too. Just targeting Thunder Warriors

[odd sparrow]

dark angels are lame tl;dr

[vagrant osprey]

In the Great Crusade that was their job.

[odd sparrow]

their only redeeming quality is that they're gay

[vagrant osprey]

They were acting under orders at that time, not acting on their own initiative.

[open marsh]

The Dark Angels are one of my favorite legions (because even in 40k. They are still a legion pretending to be chapters). Because they have the spiciest relics. As well as their "Space Knights" theme

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/CS9OO0S5w2k?t=45

[novel fulcrum]

yeah, it's a little different when they were acting on the emperor's initiative, but they're doing all this with the fallen of their own choice, and uh
honestly the fact that they were hunting hounds for surviving thunder warriros puts into perspective why they think they're doing the right thing, actually, i never put that together

i guess if the emperor taught them that it was the solution to the problem, they would make that conclusion on their own later presented with a similar issue

huh

[open marsh]

Pretty much

[novel fulcrum]

that actually makes a lot more sense

[vagrant osprey]

IIRC, the Dark Angels also started to prepare for an attack on the Imperial Palace when they found Cypher was there. At least until Cypher escaped.

[novel fulcrum]

dunno if that's true, but i'd believe it

[storm jungle]

Why the fuck would they attack the imperial palace

Nobody can be that braindead

[novel fulcrum]

deathwing termies teleporting in to try and peace out with the dude before anyone could do anything

[vagrant osprey]

Sorry, *infiltrate

[storm jungle]

Okay sorry that makes sense

my bad lmao

[novel fulcrum]

yeah, they wouldn't attack the palace, but they'd insert dudes to capture cypher if they thought they could

[storm jungle]

I was more mad at the DA for being that suicidal not you pseu

[vagrant osprey]

That doesn't mean "bloodless" though.

[open marsh]

Azrael has become more and more of a "Reasonable Marine". Like when Guilliman came to give them Primaris reinforcements. They though Guilliman was coming to delete them because he knew about the Fallen. They considered firing on Guilliman's fleet. but Azrael had a brain cell fire correctly and decided that was a very stupid idea. So just decided to face the music. Low and behold, Guilliman didnt even bring the Fallen up

[cerulean wagon]

their main author is gav thorpe

does that explain enough?

[storm jungle]

LOL

Yeah it does.

[vagrant osprey]

OOF, yeah, that explains it.

At least Gav is better than Goto.

But still. Damn.

[open marsh]

I love the DA's lore, but Gav cant even keep his own notes straight

I just updated the lexicanum last night on a massive lore conflict

[vagrant osprey]

What was the lore conflict?

[open marsh]

Where, in the short story "A Hunt in the Dark" it shows Ezekiel and Azrael testing Sammael to see if he is worthy of becoming the new Grand Master of the Ravenwing

When in the rest of the lore, Sammael had been the Grand Master of the Ravenwing almost a century before the other two got their positions

[storm jungle]

Gav's really bad because of being an old guard

he also has lots of "takes"

Like thinking chaos is a force of nature for some weird ass reason

[vagrant osprey]

It kinda is, though?

What does he think it does?

[storm jungle]

That it basically balances the universe for some reason?

When like

the four chaos gods are literal cartoon villains

they enjoy making people suffer lol

[open marsh]

Ppffttt. Chaos aint got shit. This is a force a nature!

[vagrant osprey]

Yeah, no, that's wrong.

The Warp is a funhouse mirror of reality ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[odd sparrow]

tbh the chaos gods would be better as sorta grey forces of nature

buuut they're written as just dickheads

so

[vagrant osprey]

I liked the old lore where the chaos gods had complex portfolios

[odd sparrow]

tzeentch out here just shitposting

[vagrant osprey]

Instead of them being homogenizing swarm shitposters.

[odd sparrow]

Yea same. Like, lots of negative stuff, lots of positive stuff, obvs they're a net negative cus duh but u could make a sacrifice to a chaos god and it wouldn't end awfully for u

they're still gods with a lot of diff dimensions and aspects

as opposed to just like. yea. is sad

[visual pumice]

Nurgle’s married now though

Let him have fun

[odd sparrow]

capturing an elf as his forced roommate doesn't count as a marriage

[open marsh]

In the way that the creepy guy kidnapped someone and keeps her locked in his basement

[visual pumice]

He doesn’t know any better