Arcosomethings
#40k-lore-chat
dim totem
cerulean wagon
yes
cerulean wagon
some are
it depends
basically the deal is
they gave us some neat concepts for worlds
jam em together and make whatever you want out of it
want an ocean planet with underwater hives? sure
dim totem
I saw a diorama yesterday of a tiny bit of hive, it had old bricked buildings mixed in with that fancy harsh gothic architecture
Looked so neat
coarse mirage
open marsh
Related
median sundial
What's the difference between Force Weapons and Power Weapons?
crisp heath
Do gravity guns still exist?
cerulean wagon
yes
open marsh
Do gravity guns still exist?
And are still made.
median sundial
Just not that often because they're hard or something.
open marsh
Unless you are House Van Saar
cerulean wagon
so in answer yes not a lot made
since van saar are some small no name gang on a hive world in the middle of nowhere
open marsh
House Van Saar isnt a gang. House Van Saar is a noble house on Necromunda. But they have gangs who work for them
Like there is no "Van Saar gang", but there is the "Daeyglow Dragons" which is a gang who are allied with/work for House Van Saar
I actually made a list of all known Van Saar allied gangs a couple of weeks ago
Broken Brotherhood
Code Wardens
Coldfire Cabal
Dayglow Dragons
Nexus Nines
cloud kindle
the noble houses of necromunda might as well be gangs though
ashen zenith
What's stopping deathmarks from killing every single important character in the universe
novel fulcrum
i don't know specifically, but considering it's the necrons, probably explained as some kind of butterfly effect
'oh yes, we could just have that guilliman individual disposed of, but then that may cause some territorial upsets from the immaterial worshippers and the other inferior life that calls those outer reaches home, and we can't have that, can we? no, it's better this way.'
seems more like they just haven't been all that bothered by the important characters of the universe, after some surface-level searching
otherwise they'd probably in fact be dead
but necrons are largely deathless beings anyway, so if you really think about it, dispatching a deathmark to eliminate a more conventional mortal might honestly just be a waste of resources when they could just wait until they die of old age or some other war they find themselves in later
storm jungle
What's stopping deathmarks from killing every single important character in the ...
"Why dont we all nuke each other in the world right now."
Same deal.
storm jungle
dim totem
Send me all your minis
novel fulcrum
well, mutually assured destruction operates on the principle that retaliation would be swift enough from the attacked to annihilate the attackers just as much
i don't have a well-maintained mental armory of all the major factions, but i'm fairly sure there's not much out there that compares to a deathmark, it's just that if and when folks figured out who was responsible, there would probably be similar degrees of retaliation as a matter of principle, since in most cases, someone else will simply rise to the occasion despite the previous leaders being dead and gone
i'm just not sure if the particular way a deathmark's rifle operates can be distinguished from your every day brain-frying and such, although i imagine if it was a pattern hitting a suspiciously high number of important individuals at around the same time, then some ordo xenos inquisitor cabal would piece it together
probably end up just waging conflict with the nearest known dynasty in retaliation if i had to guess
open marsh
What's stopping deathmarks from killing every single important character in the ...
Same thing stopping Vindicare Assassins from doing the same
vagrant osprey
Since the Tabletop rules are the True Canon, does this mean that Space Marines actually ARE getting bigger? 
Warpy bullshit? Maybe!
Terminators gained an Invulnerability save, all Astartes gained an extra wound, so this is an extremely stupid idea that does check out.
open marsh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoh0LAUmm8M
Ork approve. Bigga beakie bois mean bigga and betta foights
final spruce
Primaris are bigger in lore yes. Plus tabletop rules arent true canon sadly else Cawl would steal our manticore and make it spess mhrens
vagrant osprey
These are just normal marines, though :V
cerulean wagon
no thats primaris on he right
coarse mirage
Since the Tabletop rules are the True Canon, does this mean that Space Marines a...
I think it's more about it being easier to paint on something larger and fit more or better details on a larger model
final spruce
Nah tabletop is like Darksouls, the bigger it is, the stronger it is and fear the normal sized enemies
visual pumice
fear the old blood
cloud kindle
ashen zenith
"Why dont we all nuke each other in the world right now."
Well if we nuke someone they Nuke us back and we all die...but if a deathmark kills girly man and the terran government it wouldnt be that easy for the imperium to destroy the necrons right?
visual pumice
as far as i'm aware, necrons aren't for conquest so much as getting people off their planets
they're infighting too much
there's two dynasties that are leaderless because they keep sending deathmarks to assassinate eachother
ashen zenith
Taking the oamaru shindeiru meme too far
vagrant osprey
The necrons are literally just crotchety old men who want all these kids off their lawns.
Trayzen has taken up collecting as a hobby in his old age
He has the most AMAZING stamp collection, let me tell you.
He has the stamp from the "It's a girl(?)!" postcard the Eldar sent Terra on Old Night
storm jungle
as far as i'm aware, necrons aren't for conquest so much as getting people off t...
Most of them are for the conquest game in the long run but right now it is infighting/getting rid of monke yeah.
Some more stable necron overlords/phaerons actually even take live slaves like ancient egyptians to build structures for them.
Why?
They just like the air and feel of it
It makes them feel like rulers like back in the day
visual pumice
pretty much
they're all not quite flayed one yet
but they need to feel "alive" again
get fucked if you're a warrior but
vagrant osprey
nb4 Cawl invents reverse-biotransferrence
visual pumice
they'll die to too much oxygen or something
vagrant osprey
"HAHA! NOW YOU HAVE TO PUT UP WITH HAVING A SOUL!"
visual pumice
necrons are the way they are cause they didn't to live for 10 years just to die of cancer anymore
vagrant osprey
They are the way they are because the entire fucking universe said "Fuck these guys in particular", and the Necrons pulled the Uno Reverse card.
visual pumice
pretty much
vagrant osprey
Remember: The Old ones took a look at the Necrontyr and said "Can we even fix how fucked up their bodies are? Is that even possible? Let alone if we even should!"
Then spent like a quarter million years debating while the Necrontyr murdered their way across the galaxy
I maintain that the most likely explanation for the Tau is Old Ones experimenting with 'fixing' a bunch of Necrontyr by yoinking a Necrontyr colony ship, and then just deciding to leave the ship adrift instead of testing their results.
cerulean wagon
but we already know how tau happened
vagrant osprey
It explains how Tau went from the discovery of fire to anime superstars in under 5000 years, but their relative technological stagnation from 40k to 41k
Oh, Skeleton?
cerulean wagon
They slipped into a warp anomaly, (idk if it was a warp storm or w/e)
Prior to that we had monitored them then we just lost contact
the accelerated tech is most likely due to time dilation, then most of their core tech isnt even theirs
I.e their plasma tech is taken from the demeurg
vagrant osprey
Tau history doesn't appear to be much longer than 5000 years, though.
And while they may have adapted some tech, they have been shown to fully and completely understand how it works.
cerulean wagon
that tends to be what happens when you trade
you can ask questions and get an understanding
vagrant osprey
Then they must have bought the entire technological stack, because they have not been shown to have any limit to how far they can adjust their tech, other than physical or social limits.
cerulean wagon
i mean there are limits to how they can adjust it
See: the nova core
an imperfect prototype core
that the frame it is built into cannot freely access without straining its structure
vagrant osprey
And their plasma tech isn't OOPA; it's in step with all their other technology, excepting materials science which appears to be their weakest field.
1: I said physical limits
2: Prototypes are ALWAYS jank as fuck.
cerulean wagon
okay but you understand the implication of them having prototype frames and cores right?
vagrant osprey
If you show me a "prototype" that looks good and works correctly, it's a mockup or it's staged.
cerulean wagon
It means their science is ever advancing and experimenting but not always getting it right
vagrant osprey
Yes, and?
vagrant osprey
I... Kinda said the exact opposite of what you are arguing against?
My thesis is that they had a Necrontyr colony ship to reverse engineer, which got them a lot of advanced technology AND understanding, and that now they are having to conduct fully novel research.
cerulean wagon
well no cause they'd have something reminiscient of necrontyr tech integrated into their society
vagrant osprey
If you gave modern day humanity a plasma rifle, we would have it figured out inside of 6 months and be able to mass produce them within a decade.
Not likely, actually.
cerulean wagon
also understanding their tech wouldnt make say, plasma tech novel
because thats a completly different field
vagrant osprey
The Necrontyr sent out colony ships early on, before they turned their full attention towards war.
cerulean wagon
it'd be like expecting someone experienced in the engineering of nuclear reactors to know how to make a gun
vagrant osprey
Specifically, the colony ships were sent out BEFORE the start of the War in Heaven
There was an entire cultural shift in the Necrontyr after that.
cerulean wagon
they would still have necrontyr tech
vagrant osprey
We have no idea what Necrontyr tech was, or what it even looked like.
Because all we have is Necron tech dating to late in the War in Heaven.
cerulean wagon
okay by a similair leap
what if
the tau are actualy what the tyranids are running from
we dont know what the nids are running from
we cant prove they arent
so it must be
vagrant osprey
If the nids were running from the Tau then they probably would either be avoiding the Tau completely, or attempting to exterminate the Tau. They are doing neither.
storm jungle
We know what necrontyr tech was like briefly from some sections in trazyn's book.
It really is just ancient egypt with space ships, they had chariots and everything.
They arent that advanced.
vagrant osprey
Fascinating.
Still, comparing the aesthetic design decisions doesn't really work out, since we've seen in our own culture how much aesthetic designs shift in far less time.
barren tapir
What i know is that tau managed to make some tech leap thanks to the conflicts with the imperium... Like they rail weapons, they managed to get working after they found out the imperium ceramite iirc
cerulean wagon
Yup
tau tech progression is legit nothing crazy
its just
"oh shit lets experiment"
vagrant osprey
Like I said, their materials science is actually really bad.
Which, considering it's strongly based on Japan, makes a lot of sense.
barren tapir
Oh, and about their early history, they were found by an Ad. Mech. explorator ship during their stone age, they were tagged for extermination, but a warp storm cut them away, when the storm disappeared the tau had already become more advanced... Their plasma weapons weren't even still developed though... They became popular after some wars with the orks iirc
storm jungle
Yeah i dont really get it
They just had time to develop. Theres nothing really more to it than that
barren tapir
It is true that they are very pragmatic regarding tech
They had a lot of time of peace... Which the imperium never had
vagrant osprey
You make it seem like the storm just poofed and it suddenly happened, but the exterminatus didn't happen specifically because the storm lasted for centuries and nobody ever followed up on it.
barren tapir
They had a lot of time of peace with no infighting and got lucky with their earliest engagements
vagrant osprey
That's fair
barren tapir
You make it seem like the storm just poofed and it suddenly happened, but the ex...
That is what happened though... The storm appeared without warning, and when it disappeared there were no resources that could be spared to carry out the extermination
IIRC Dante is older than tau
vagrant osprey
It's a pity no Ordo Xenos ever negotiated for the Tau to hold the line against the nids in Segmentum Ultima in exchange for the Imperium leaving them alone. They're basically the archetypical Compliant Xenos
barren tapir
More than one
cerulean wagon
between imperium and tau to deal with the nids
barren tapir
And both ultramarine and IG fought with the tau against the nids... Oh, and there is the tempestus scions regiment that its "speciality" is to fight along the tau
Then there was the time when an imperium diplomat did go to a sept world, escorted by an IF SM iirc...
Truth is that imperium talk a lot with tau
Just not officially
vagrant osprey
Yeah, and that "officially" is the problem. If an Inquisitor said "We're not fighting these people now" that would basically secure an entire front for the Imperium and let them shift resources to things like clearing out the chaos-held worlds near Terra.
barren tapir
An inquisitor said exactly that once... During the damocles crusade iirc... Because some oversized bug called tyranids was attacking the imperium, and it was more problematic than the tau were at the time
zinc snow
Let's not forget that just asking for a simple "Don't mess with us, we won't mess with you" peace treaty isn't something the Tau just agree to. They're not exactly peace loving good guys, despite what some jokes and memes say. They pretty much escalate immediately to violence with anything that "opposes" the Greater Good. In which "opposition" is basically solely based on not joining the Tau as fodder.
barren tapir
True... I should have some excerpt about that... They are an subtle faction...
storm jungle
the Tau could use some grunts
barren tapir
There are some repetitions, but the thing is: tau aren't the nice guys they want you to believe of them
zinc snow
"the T’au became ever more intolerant of alien species" My favorite part is this specific line. "more intolerant"
Implying that even before despite their practices of recruiting and supposedly being friendly to aliens, they've always hated other races to some extent.
barren tapir
Yes, it is not with the 4th sphere that they became xenophobic or intolerant, they had a sept that hated xenos from the 3rd edition onward
And while that sept was just plainly against xenos tau have always been the classic galaxy power that tell you to join them or die... Sure, they ask you to join, but that is because they still haven't experienced betrayal and backstabbing from other xenos so often that they decided that it isn't worth to try to be peaceful, unlike mankind which has around 15K years of backstabbing, enslavering and fighting for survival with xenos
zinc snow
That's one of my favorite things that rarely gets brought up. The Tau do everything bad/evil that the Imperium does. But without any of the justification of the Age of Strife, Horus Heresy, or any other awful age that humanity has experienced as justification.
barren tapir
And all this being ambiguous and furtive doesn't hurt in any way my POV on them, it make them quite interesting for me
zinc snow
Yeah. Also of course the Imperium does have Sanctioned Xenos as well. So it's not like they're even as xenophobic as usually portrayed.
shell pebble
Wait so the OG Squats werent eaten by Tyranids and now are abhumans?
fast forge
They've always been abhumans, like Ogryns
storm jungle
Yeah it basically went:
GW wanted to get rid of them
Got eaten by nids
They got brought back by insistent fans
And their race is pretty much scattered/nomads/mercs
shell pebble
Also interesting that these abhumans took a different strategy in comparison to Ogyrns when it came to adaption in response to gravity-heavy planets
cerulean wagon
>GW wanted to get rid of them
it wasnt they wanted to get rid of them it was they legally couldnt keep em
shell pebble
I thought they were getting bored of making up ideas for them
So they scrapped them as an army
cerulean wagon
No it was that GW didnt own the rights to Orks or Squats, they were owned by the same guy who left the project
fast forge
it wasnt they wanted to get rid of them it was they legally couldnt keep em
What, like the chaos god Malal?
storm jungle
shell pebble
Definitely for the better
cerulean wagon
this was back when they were smole
fast forge
So exactly like the chaos god Malal then
They kept him as Malice... but his existence is in a grey area atm, the only really canon hints to his existence is the chaos warband of the Sons of Malice
shell pebble
That came from Gothic Armada 2 right?
storm jungle
Yeeee
open marsh
They kept him as Malice... but his existence is in a grey area atm, the only rea...
He makes an inperson appearance in the short story "The Labyrinth"
he also is likely one of the lost primarchs
fast forge
I'm well aware, I am personally all for his existence... not really a big fan of the whole lost primarch thing you hinted at for him lol
But who knows, maybe he is
open marsh
But his existence is unquestionable.
visual pumice
Is there not a chaos chapter trying to bring him back or something
open marsh
I think he helped them retake their homeworld and then fucked off
visual pumice
Casual
open marsh
I can imagine that he wouldnt have long in the Materium. the more powerful a daemon is, the more difficult it is for them to maintain their connection to the Materium
so a minor chaos god would need tons of warp juice to keep going
visual pumice
True. Atleast they done something else with him then
open marsh
Yeah
open marsh
Yes. They were the first to get them
coarse mirage
Would that imply Cawl knows who they are?
open marsh
I dont doubt that he does
coarse mirage
All Primaris are of the appropriate gene seed, right?
open marsh
Its an easy way to get around Guilliman's ban on making "new" chapters of traitor legion primaris (not that its really stopped him anyway)
open marsh
All Primaris are of the appropriate gene seed, right?
Yes
Well, a couple of the new chapters are very obviously not of the genelines that Cawl said they are
coarse mirage
But Girlyman was the guy who activated the Primaris and had a hand in their making?
open marsh
But Girlyman was the guy who activated the Primaris and had a hand in their maki...
No. Guilliman only told Cawl to make Space Marines 2.0
Guilliman himself had no hand in their creation
coarse mirage
They fishy
coarse mirage
cawl is like fuck you ill do what i want
coarse mirage
When will women be able to become space marine
hallow apex
When will women be able to become space marine
When their figurines become profitable
atomic pelican
Just play the superior faction
SoB
Or do as I plan on doing
Make gal marines to watch neckbeards self detonate at the table
Wolfgirls of fenris inbound
coarse mirage
Wolfgirls of fenris inbound
Arent those a thing?
atomic pelican
The stormcast heads would b petfect
I have some too
If they werent then now they are sauce
storm jungle
Yeee its great since they got the proper barbarian woman aesthetic already
so it goes perfectly
atomic pelican
Also I was shocked to learn that Wolves actually have their own patrol box
Probs cuz popularity of the chapter
coarse mirage
Maybe it was jsut some player made models I found in VRChat
They were really well made though
so I figured they were from something else
Gimme five minutes and I shall find them
summer niche
But where are the abs?
open marsh
Under the armour so they dont freeze off in the lethal cold of Fenris
summer niche
Implying those iron hard abs would feel it
cloud kindle
^
storm jungle
Damn these are both great points
but also if i want female astartes its gonna be in big chunky armor damn it
open marsh
I just like warrior women in big clucc armour like everyone else gets
Instead of feeling the need to turn power armour into some kinda slim body suit because "Hurr. wamenz must look smol and shaeply. even their armour"
summer niche
Might as well be men at that point 
storm jungle
Not really tbh. Thats one point i always stand by with female astartes. Its not like they'd get big breasts, it'd be sizable enough to fit into their armor while still remaining mostly shapely.
I hate it though when people are like "the geneseed would make them look like dudes" lol
open marsh
There are female pseudo-astartes. Fabius Bile's Gland Hounds. And the female ones didnt look like men
coarse mirage
Daughter of Fenris they called them
They have some silly armor, but it's a good concept
storm jungle
Ah the SoB's
coarse mirage
storm jungle
YEEE
atomic pelican
SoB have the best vehicle designs in the imperium imo
For ground vehicles atleast
Since Imperial Navy is coolo too
storm jungle
Yeah that.
cloud kindle
always horny
coarse mirage
BUt there's Sisters Repentia, so it's okay
But yeah sorta like some Fenrisian sisters
Would totally work
Now, the wolf priest model is fucking sexy.
There's a big bunch of Space Wolf models. Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Ancient, Long Fang etc
storm jungle
man vr chat people never fail to impress on the modelling department
summer niche
I was just about to say that it looks pretty rough lmao
storm jungle
vast frigate
Now, the wolf priest model is fucking sexy.
''you raised a flag, were shootin ya''
they used the wolf tits on him
cerulean wagon
I'm starting a new charity, food for bolters
With just £1 a day, you can make sure these loyal weapons of the emperor are fed
crisp heath
reading First Heretic
cant help but laugh at the "turn the gellar field off" part
what a bunch of idiots
open marsh
open marsh
I only love them as villains. the "love to hate" them kinda way
They are very good villains
zinc snow
Does that make Erebus Starscream...?
crisp heath
yes
zinc snow
First image googling "Erebus Starscream"
https://preview.redd.it/kr8wye05x8161.jpg?auto=webp&s=caa40ae2a2eb2d34d005d575ac18cecb08d8716a
It really is the perfect comparison.
storm jungle
This is a great find
dim totem
grim sequoia
Oh dam
Very naiz
Wait 4 chaos gods
But wai is it like loki an irresistible urge to chaos
dim totem
Wdym?
grim sequoia
Like it seemed the chaos gods caused trouble for the sake of causing trouble
From that vid
visual pumice
that video is overly simplified anyway
storm jungle
Like it seemed the chaos gods caused trouble for the sake of causing trouble
Its a mix of that and them just being assholes
most authors like to convey them as "forces of nature" but the chaos gods act like literal evil cartoon villains half the time
atomic pelican
"These are our spooky eldritch unknowable horrors! Ohhhh! Ohhh! So we colorcoded them and made one of them red dudes with horns."
-Gw, probably
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Dropping forces of nature as a whole would let them have actual personality more and be likeable
Rathwr than teetering the line
Its why shit like this is amazing
storm jungle
lmao yeah
The lore says the chaos gods could have eaten the galaxy the moment the rift opened but they chose to fight each other.
visual pumice
running theme
smoky breach
Don’t watch the gallery at the bottom of the page.
atomic pelican
It should probs be mentioned that its the meme pages of lore
As in, inaccurate but general gist
storm jungle
But fantasy is already a meme
atomic pelican
Thats true
storm jungle
atomic pelican
And most fantasy lore is reliquated to ye olde vaults
storm jungle
Yeee i admit 4chan can get memey but the lore pages are usually really solid.
And actually includes info the wikis dont bother adding half the time
visual pumice
it's made more digestible for newcomers if anything
atomic pelican
For 40k and AoS, I usually just suggest reading the codex/battletome for whatever faction is most neat to u
Its a short part of the lore to expand from
+codices have art and lore compounded
cloud kindle
40k theories was how i really learned about 40k
storm jungle
Same. Hes a good nerd.
also i agree on the AOS part, theres some good pages but they arent sadly filled with info like 40k/fantasy which i think is probably because nobody wants to bother editing the pages too much.
atomic pelican
Oh the 1d4chan pages?
I havent read them too much but the few I did were kinds
Riddled with inaccuracies
Also codices usually hypebeast ur faction which is Great
storm jungle
Mmmm Slaangors
barren tapir
So, am i the only one that spent literally days reading the wikis?
atomic pelican
Thiccgors
storm jungle
So, am i the only one that spent literally days reading the wikis?
Dont worry i did the same
then I realised the 40k wiki is full of shit
lol
barren tapir
I read both lex and the warhammer wiki...
atomic pelican
Not even squidwards house
storm jungle
Like its good? But holy fuck dude GET TO THE POINT.
barren tapir
I didn't knew about loretubers until i already had a solid grasp of the lore thanks to wikis
storm jungle
dim totem
Oculus imperia best loretuber ?
grim sequoia
atomic pelican
Idk who that is so no comment for now
cloud kindle
remliez?
atomic pelican
Being a 40k loretuber has a negative connotation by default but I'll stay my hand for now
storm jungle
40K Theories and Oculus are great.
Remliez also doesnt have a raging ego problem and makes his own stuff and doesn't really lash out at anyone. I also recommend Baldemort too however aka the man with the voice of a deity.
his voice is just 👌
cloud kindle
wolf lord rho isnt bad either
storm jungle
lol yeah that surprised me too, I thought this guy was an actual VA or something before I realised hes a nerd just like us lowly human lifeforms
storm jungle
reee
grim sequoia
Omg this discussion has lead me through a long thread of googling search things to figure out context
And the thread has led me to what ||guro|| is
storm jungle
OH CHRIST
grim sequoia
storm jungle
its terrible
cloud kindle
hot
dim totem
What's guro
cloud kindle
slaanesh
dim totem
Nevermind
grim sequoia
dim totem
My soul is virtuous and I want to keep it that way tyvm
coarse mirage
My soul is virtuous and I want to keep it that way tyvm
coarse mirage
YUS A LANKY GROT
limpid hedge
YOOZ LOOKS LIKE YA’D MAKEZ FOR GOOD EATIN’ YA LITTL GIT
ONLY TING GROTZ LIKE YOUZ GOOD FOR
eternal ledge
In Wrath and glory if you play a Boy you get points for the longer you keep your squig alive before you eat it
coarse mirage
YOO HUNGREE, YOO HAV' A SQUIG.
SIMPUL. YOO EATZ IT.
DEYS LOTSA GUD TEETH TOO!
crisp heath
First Heretic is hundreds of pages of every single person in the Imperium shitting on Lorgar.
Even Curze thinks the dude is disgusting.
open marsh
First Heretic is hundreds of pages of every single person in the Imperium shitti...
yeah. Its a good sumamry blurb. But needs to be expanded
open marsh
I find it hilarious that it was Magnus who told him not to seek out "gods" in the warp. Only for Lorgar to do it anyway. sound familiar?
crisp heath
Curze is saying the meanest shit he can to Lorgar’s face. And what does Lorgar say in response?
“Thank you.”
Lorgar is the literal worst.
open marsh
Lorgar is also a masochist
cloud kindle
inland meadow
where can i find a library of warhammer books online?
cloud kindle
rumours say there is an ancient library with all the knowledge you seek
they call it the black library.
jagged aurora
HEY MAN ITS ME AHRIMAN CAN I GET A PEEP ON THAT BLACK LIBRARY ASKING FOR A FRIEND THANKS\
eternal ledge
HEY MAN ITS ME AHRIMAN CAN I GET A PEEP ON THAT BLACK LIBRARY ASKING FOR A FRIEN...
Funny you mention that
Grabbed this from my local game store
hallow apex
Ahriman mind fucks a women so utterly and complete that she becomes a sentient memory in his mind palace that tries to foil him from within. If that’s not the coolest shit ever, I don’t know what to tell you. It really hammers home the depths of Ahriman’s folly and power.
open marsh
I hate that I know exactly what he is talking about
Summerizing as best I can: Ahriman fights an Inquisitor, but uses his sorcery to utterly fry her mind. However, she (unconsciously) didn't go down without a fight. Essentially part of her was pulled into Ahriman's mind by the psychic attack. So basically she just wakes up in a weird warpy-realm created by Ahriman's mind
jagged aurora
Ahriman mind fucks a women so utterly and complete that she becomes a sentient m...
does she actually make a difference or does he just bang her from in his own head
novel fulcrum
Ahriman mind fucks a women so utterly and complete that she becomes a sentient m...
this is what i love about ahriman and tzeentch in general, a true showcase of how cool it can be when someone is incredibly powerful, but not immune to that unstable power backfiring
like 'what, you thought i granted you control? that doesn't sound anything like something i would do'
visual pumice
god please
thorn scarab
40k Skaven confirmed?
What's the source for this. Definitely not doubting, just want to read more.
open marsh
What's the source for this. Definitely not doubting, just want to read more.
Liber Xenology
prisma lark
winged skaven? By the Emperor...
thorn scarab
Liber Xenology
I'll give it a look. Appreciate it, brother
open marsh
open marsh
rip
visual pumice
is that the new one?
open marsh
yeah
On the 40k Skaven thing. I love the backhanded "maybe confirmed maybe not". But they way they are hinted at is exactly the same way they would hide themselves in WHF
With most surface dwellers thinking Skaven are a myth
visual pumice
yeah. it's pretty much saying that they are probably there
visual pumice
would love if you could have skaven in 40k
open marsh
visual pumice
my priorities would shift drastically
final seal
hallow apex
I had a different take. It’s not a Warpy-realm in his mind. It’s his actual mind. It’s just that enormous in there. And it’s not even the Inquisitor herself in his head, but just an engramatic representation. His pilfering of her mind was so complete, the memory of her - his memory - essentially achieves sentience. The way wolves would chase him down and how he comments to himself that they’re no less dangerous for being constructs of his mind. It’s just showing us that he’s so god damn powerful, his own mental constructs can mess with him. The Inquisitor was dead, completely. It was just a shade of her, wandering his mind
summer niche
i'm so tired of seeing skaven technology so i'd be glad if they weren't a thing
green rickety crap goes brrrrrrrrr boom haha
visual pumice
that's a sad world view
visual pumice
they don't need to now though
i like skaven so i'm baised
but they definitely had to get all 4 of the main clans a playable faction before game 3
summer niche
i've also grown to hate them very hard cause of their ruin dweller invisible BULLSHIT
ratting out skaven is the most timeconsuming boring shit ever
god i hate skaven in total warhammer
storm jungle
they're pretty shitty to fight against ngl
theres a reason i got the nuke cannon mod for the empire
lol
storm jungle
YES
summer niche
battles are never orderly and nice
storm jungle
THIS SHIT
summer niche
they're just all over teh fucking place
visual pumice
i just love them too much as whole to get mad. i either play them or ignore them
cerulean wagon
40k doesnt need skaven cause we already have orks
they fulfill the same niche without needing macguffinite
cerulean wagon
orks run on a psychic memetic field
running on pure imagination is the dumbed down version people use cause they like hehe haha funny orks
storm jungle
and you actually dont see "warpstone" as a mcguffin spammed through out the codices
vast frigate
The person that made that art got to issues with W-artel as they made models of his 40skaven art
Like near exact copies
storm jungle
visual pumice
idk. i like orks the least as a whole
vast frigate
They were completely refusing to acknowledge he made the idea
visual pumice
i don't think they're overly interesting
vast frigate
Like genuine refusal; this is pure coincidence, argument
visual pumice
i'll die on the warpstone hill
vast frigate
Understandable
plucky moth
I think warpstone is kinda bullshit but not bad in and of itself, lazy writing just abuses it
same deal with Skaven as a whole, but I like 'em
cerulean wagon
orks can be interesting but the issue is most ork players are brainlets
cerulean wagon
and treat the entirety of the orks like its the ork subreddit
visual pumice
orks have some interesting characters but that's where it ends for me
storm jungle
and treat the entirety of the orks like its the ork subreddit
You mean being braindead and speaking in cockney accents?
also screaming waaagh constantly
cerulean wagon
yes
vast frigate
"WaAaAaAaAaAaAaAaAaAgH!!!"
cerulean wagon
Like
of the ork factions blue skulls are my fav
cause they look shit and adapt it
and prefer to stay at range where possibke
They can still melee, they are orks, they just have real good guns and love using them
But ye my issue with skaven is they are a mcguffinite apocalypse faction
who do not suffer a single major defensive loss
They always attack, no one ever reclaims a skaven taken city
its real lazy writing
they only appear to push the story forwards
theres never just a story of people retaking a skaven city
bar a single adventure for whf 2e where a single dragon killed all the skaven in an old dwarven hold to get access to the vaults
cerulean wagon
yup
they basically only appear to change major parts of lore, and in ways that ignore existing lore
i.e. skaven killed nagash
they also killed the high king of dwarves
hallow apex
That’s pretty gangsta
visual pumice
i think it was Snikch
visual pumice
i say i like skaven but eshin are fucking stupid
cerulean wagon
a great send off for the main dwarven character
visual pumice
WHF got a good send off anyway so it's alright
cerulean wagon
ofc a skaven simp would think dropping the skaven moon on the planet was a good send off
visual pumice
sarcasm doesn't come across well in text
visual pumice
ofc a skaven simp would think dropping the skaven moon on the planet was a good ...
please don't call me that
please please please
summer niche
lmao
cerulean wagon
lmao
summer niche
just came across some neat concept art
that really spoke to me in a chaos guardsman kindaway
dim totem
Speaking of chaos guardsman, can you field an army that's just chaos guard with no chaos marines?
I just really like guards
dim totem
I guess, I don't know the rules really
dim totem
I just like building and painting, might be interested in playing at some point
summer niche
thanks for the good laugh though hahaha
summer niche
you could prob make some really cool kitbash traitor guardsmen
cerulean wagon
storm jungle
Chaos guardsman question! Scroll up!
cerulean wagon
you used to be able too (lost and the damned) dont think so anymore tho?
storm jungle
Yeah i remember seeing some memes of GW squatting the chaos guardsman iirc?
dim totem
just curious is all
cerulean wagon
you can run chaos guard idk if u can do a full army for it
hang on lemme ask someone
dim totem
I guess at some point if you're just doing a bunch of cultist, you're basically playing astra militarum right?
cerulean wagon
friend whos a big chaos boi says yes u can field chaos guard
and pretty much ye just minus the regimental benefits
summer niche
w-welp
that doesn't sound like a good thing though
they do ofc get chaos shennanigans though
ashen zenith
If the emperor could make an exception with religion for the mechanicus because of their tech why couldnt he make exceptions for other civilizations with even more advanced tech
summer niche
because REASONS
storm jungle
Until someone comes in with a more indepth answer later Im pretty sure its suppose to be mostly because the mechanicum is actually useful for the imperial war machine in comparison to any other random human civilizations that Big E and Co come across.
dim totem
Also they were right next door with advanced tech
barren tapir
If the emperor could make an exception with religion for the mechanicus because ...
I don't really get what you are saying... Big e let the mechanicus be because he needed ship, and wanted them sooner than later, regarding other civs he said that religious one should have been removed, but nothing about technological one
cerulean wagon
If the emperor could make an exception with religion for the mechanicus because ...
because he he was pro human, so the tech priests got that on their side. Interex also got a relatively peaceful first meet and then the heresy happened
cerulean wagon
same difference
barren tapir
In fact big E said to try the diplomatic approach always first
It was only when diplomacy fail that military action had to be taken
But each primarch also had their own way to do stuff... Looking at you dumb lorgar dumbass
summer niche
yeah some of the primarchs are so dumb
it's like following kids lashing out
most of the time
does anyone agree with me here btw, when reading the primearch books, a lot of them feel like kids in how they react to things
they're obviously powerful and very smart
but at times they seem oh so emtionally stunted
storm jungle
BUT THE MOMENT
THE MOMENT
You say something negative
they just go:
"YOU CANT CALL ME A MANCHILD!"
summer niche
Yeah
that's one of things that annoy me with 40k
it feels like the Big E could've like
shown a tad of fatherhood
and the heresy would've never happened
lmao
it's so fucking dumb
storm jungle
Thats the thing I love about BL. They make so many excuses to cover that up.
Why doesnt he love his sons? Eh they're just tools.
Why doesnt he help most of them? Eh he's almost omnipotent he doesnt care.
summer niche
yea
i've just gone with the whole "big e isn't on the plane of a human anymore, thus doesn't have or understand human emotions"
storm jungle
Yep. It's that and The Heresy Has to Happen.
summer niche
but it still annoyed the shit out of me while i was reading the books
like lorgar is a fucking rretard
but big e could've stopped his fall
so fucking easily
lorgar fucking LOVED his father
summer niche
yeah lol
storm jungle
IT WOULD TAKE LIKE 10 MINUTES
storm jungle
lol
but yeah its all stupid lore, GW just knows how to mask it well with novels and lazy explanations.
You can almost imagine Big E above Nuceria about to send a force in to rescue Angron and his buds
But then a GW representative shoves the script in his face "Nuhuh you cant do that."
summer niche
Lmao
"Uh let's just emotionally torment my already tormented son some more lol"
"i'll make it stronger i'm sure lmao"
storm jungle
Yep lol
I like how in Master of Mankind they put a scene of Big E inspecting angron on a slab, and the butcher's nails apparently wrapped around his spine
Okay so?
They're archeotech?
Uhh okay
I guess Angron is fucked then lel
cerulean wagon
Yep. It's that and The Heresy Has to Happen.
i hate this so much
it implies the emporer was always a god
barren tapir
Lorgar got the talk by Big E though... Big E told him to not spread his religious thing, and that only his legion and his world could keep worshipping him... Lorgar was the primarch with most help from big E
cerulean wagon
and that makes his story so much less interesting
ashen zenith
because he he was pro human, so the tech priests got that on their side. Interex...
Yea I was talking about other human civilizations only
summer niche
he isn't doing it in a good way though lol
literally getting the ultramarines to fucking stomp his newly conquered world
it's no wonder lorgar got bitter after that
barren tapir
Well, lorgar also back handed Malcador, after he told him that big E wasn't happy about the religious thing being spread to other worlds
ashen zenith
does anyone agree with me here btw, when reading the primearch books, a lot of t...
Well I guess growing up super fast in usually hyper dangerous environments does a number on your emotional maturity except for the ones that had actual parent figures
barren tapir
And we all know that big e liked Malcador
potent swift
Big E was basically speedrunning galactic conquest, it's not his fault he could only get a better time by skipping out on all the family socials :V
storm jungle
Nah its fine
Like the thing is
You can tell they put some scenes in because of the fan complaints and some primarch stuff not making any sense
"Why cant Big E just help angron"
Cue my post above about how "da nails are too into his spine ya see"
Its all reasonable excuses filling plotholes.
summer niche
yeah
barren tapir
The problem with the nail was that they replaced part of the brain... If the people of nuceria kept the brain in a jar angron could probably been fixed... Sadly they didn't, and i think that growing a piece of brain for a primarch as replacement wasn't gonna be easy
summer niche
going by how the primarchs are in general
it prob would've just healed if they ripped it out
not even meming at this point
but yeah again with powerlevels being all over the place haha
storm jungle
Yeah this is what I mean Blank
Reasonable Excuse Filling Plotholes™️
but its fine tbh
summer niche
yeah
40k wasn't really made to be finecombed for plotholes
it was made to be COOL
barren tapir
Primarchs can heal after, but they still cant regrow limbs to give an example, unless you are vulkan, vulkan can because he is a perpetual
barren tapir
it was made to be *COOL*
But being reasonable is also cool
summer niche
give him a machinebrain
imagine angron without anger and actual thought
bruh
Servigron
Angrotor
summer niche
👌
barren tapir
Yes, it could have been given a partially mechanical brain, but that would have decreased the utility of the primarch... Their best asset isn't being towering people super strong... It is their brain, remove it and they are just another bio-engineered flesh construct
Also, having half brain as machinery is exactly what the nail were
summer niche
yea but they nails were shitty
potent swift
But Blank, Angron's best quality was being towering and super strong. I jest but giving Angron the Rite of Pure Thought or whatever it's called wouldn't be great but I feel it would have been better than psychotic rage at the drop of a hat.
barren tapir
That rage served a purpose at that time...
storm jungle
Angron would get manipulated and rebel even without the nails imo
hes too nice for his own good before the implantation
the traitors would just say "look at all this slavery our father casts upon the innocents, we're gonna change that Ronny Boy trust me!"
- Horus probably
barren tapir
And the nail were killing angron, so he would have probably died by the end of the crusade and when the time of peace started...
crisp heath
Finished first Heretic
Enjoyed it, but not as much as people told me I would
Every character was so annoying and insufferable to me.
summer niche
i feel you
i really do
it kinda fits with their fall though
kor phaeron n shit
erebus
fucking erebus
crisp heath
I dont think any of them ever did ANYTHING in the book that made me feel or sympathize with them.
But maybe that was the point.
summer niche
fanatical assholes
crisp heath
Only Curze
summer niche
the whole lot
crisp heath
I liked curze
Just jumping in, beating the shit out of corax, and calling Lorgar a literal waste of life
storm jungle
He made a palace of living humans
crisp heath
Surprisingly enough, I hated Lorgar more than erebus
summer niche
"OOOHHHHH WE'RE SOOOO EVIL OOHHHHHH"
crisp heath
Curze hates his legion
summer niche
lmao
crisp heath
They love him though...
storm jungle
yeah i know im joking
crisp heath
O word lol
summer niche
how in the world did you not hate erebus the most?
he is so fucking insufferable
and has so much fucking plot armour
crisp heath
I felt like his treachery in the first 3 books was subtle
Towards lorgar though
How the fuck did he trust those two idiots
Its his own fault
Fuck lorgar
summer niche
the best part that has erebus in it, is when he gets the shit beat out of him so fucking bad his god has to save him
gaunt vector
recieving salvation by a god in most settings: the ultimate reward
salvation by a god in 40k: f**king COWARD
gaunt vector
yeah I agree
ashen zenith
We need more memes in general
ashen zenith
More emotes
plucky moth
we'll see how it plays out
summer niche
coarse mirage
Finished The Regent's Shadow just now. Very good book!
But I feel that I now want to know more about the Minotaurs
coarse mirage
I think they killed most of them yeah
But towards the end of the book there's a turn of events that really had me raising my eyebrows
So I'm very curious who they are now
storm jungle
Was that the book where the minotaurs manage to go toe to toe with custodians?
Which was already "wat"
coarse mirage
They got clobbered by the Custodians for the most part
It's just that they actually did fight them
storm jungle
Yeah but they still killed one which is eh.
I get that you got to make them look good but im a custodian simp so i cannot take such insults.
coarse mirage
The main Custodian fights a primaris and goes "Meh".
coarse mirage
But the real MVP is someone else entirely, but I shan't spoil.
vagrant osprey
Question: Are Astartes too poisonous for humans to eat?
coarse mirage
I dont think theyre poisonous at all?
atomic pelican
I'm p sure basically anyone could eat them as long as you didn't literally eat their betcher's
vagrant osprey
If you eat an Astartes ration pack you die, and they have an immune system that kills everything.
atomic pelican
The ration pack thing is probs moreso just their food being indigestible for humans
I think the immune system thing is a overexaggeration
storm jungle
broccolis
atomic pelican
I'm sur enurgle diseases have killed spac emarines before
vagrant osprey
Those are warp diseases.
atomic pelican
Them having a strong immune system doesn't mean they'll kill you eating them
They're not tyrannids
vagrant osprey
Fair
atomic pelican
Possums have incredibly strong immune systems but they're perfectly safe to eat
vagrant osprey
Ok, I was assuming fresh and raw instead of cooked.
atomic pelican
Eating raw flesh of any kind is dangerous to humans tho
vagrant osprey
Kinda like how fresh raw pineapple tries to eat you.
So, if they're not toxic... How many of their geneseed organs would you need to consume before the warpiness of those organs overtakes you?
vagrant osprey
Didn't he literally ||bathe in it||, though?
green sedge
Let me go check.
vagrant osprey
I mean, that sets an upper bar for ||becoming a daemon prince via geneseed abuse||, but what's the lower bar?
coarse mirage
Kinda like how fresh raw pineapple tries to eat you.
Huh?
You mean that it's very acidic?
vagrant osprey
It's not acidic.
Well, it is, but mildly.
What happens there is that it has enzymes that break down things that try to eat it.
green sedge
He... he apparently|| absorbed ||the entire Hydra Cordatus gene vault of the Fists. And ||became a demon.||
vagrant osprey
Yes, that's because while acid is neutralized when it reacts with things, enzymes are not.
coarse mirage
I eat the pineapple, it eats back. That's metal
green sedge
Like the text right here on the second to last page confirms that ||all of it is gone||.
vagrant osprey
So eating a raw space marine? Could have its immune system trying to break you down.
green sedge
Could have the bio-ceramics cut your gut to ribbons.
vagrant osprey
Ah, so it's probably a LOT of Astartes organs to do that, but probably not so many to ||become empowered by the warp and gain psychic might||
coarse mirage
So eating a raw space marine? Could have its immune system trying to break you d...
Tyranids eat you more even so!
Human digestion often disagrees with cannibalism
So yeah it could be possible chomping on marines would be bad for you
cloud kindle
dont eat the space marines
rotund siren
Kroots would probably love space marines, as long as they avoid the bad parts
final spruce
Kroots do love space marine meat unless its a Chaos one
cloud kindle
theres an idea
rotund siren
makes sense
cloud kindle
kroots become worshippers of khorne
final spruce
Kroots can easily fall to Khorne with the wrong diet
cloud kindle
aayyyy
rotund siren
yeah that would be real bad, huh
open marsh
Kroot also avoid eating Tyranids. Due to the risk of 'nid genetics lowkey making their offspring something akin to Genestealer Cultists
green sedge
Ey, yeah Bjorn! Best boy.
barren tapir
I guess what I was trying to say was how would they see the warp though their unique perspective. For example, the Sisters of Silence see the Emperor as an old man on a throne during the Horus Heresy and in The Emperor’s Legion, they see deamons as gray, ugly creatures. Of course I’m sure they would see the Warp, but would they perceive it differently to a normal person. Sorry for being unclear.
This is really interesting to me, and not really surprise me too
open marsh
They don't see him as an old man. The sister looking at him even comments on his agelessness
But he does look like just a rando person
cloud kindle
just a dude in black hair
coarse mirage
> I guess what I was trying to say was how would they see the warp though their ...
They also see Guilliman differently. One of the sisters describes him as an old, weathered man
Finished that book last night even!
cerulean wagon
that doesnt make sense unless guilliman is sustained by psychic energy
cloud kindle
primarchs are pretty much made of the warp
plucky moth
FeelsWarpedMan
cloud kindle
and girlyman is pretty much done with everyones shit right now
though the story involving the high lords was
coarse mirage
that doesnt make sense unless guilliman is sustained by psychic energy
All primachs have a kind of glamour about them, they all have a tremendous presence that's not entirely material.
vagrant osprey
The primarchs themselves are not entirely material.
You don't think they're 10 feet tall because of genetics, right?
plucky moth
I thought they just drink lots of milk
storm jungle
You don't think they're 10 feet tall because of *genetics*, right?
They are.
Its... literally what it is.
final spruce
Big E can shapeshift at will but primarchs are always depicted as big boys
open marsh
On that. People keep saying that we never see Magnus's true form because he can alter his appearance to others. But Im pretty sure he would have lost such when Russ was beating the shit out of him
Or atleast dropped it in order to focus more on fighting
storm jungle
If his true form is as awful as his first model then i hope we never do see it.
final spruce
In Truth it was only a disguise, the Emperor was Calgar all along and what we know as the Emperor is just a shard of Calgar so he could reincarnate himself as a child later so nobody would bat an eye.
Its the only logical explanation
final spruce
Exactly you get it
Which would explain why Gulliman has so much plot armor
He is using the Hand of Dominion
A big Gauntlet similar to Calgar
open marsh
If his true form is as awful as his first model then i hope we never do see it.
As far as I know. The Magnus we see most of the time is his actual form
coarse mirage
Everyone has a plan until a furious, huge vikign starts beating your ass
open marsh
The Lion reminds me of Big Boss
coarse mirage
open marsh
Guilliman's current policy with the Eldar, in order to fight Chaos
crisp heath
jus let the tau chill tbh
open marsh
See. We would. But they keep doing stupid shit
Like recently they tried to annex a Dark Angels recruitment world
crisp heath
LOL
cloud kindle
though it looks like the dark angels ground is higher
therefore by kenobi law the dark angels will win
open marsh
This does drive me crazy tho. For 1 big reason: Dark Angel territory is nowhere near Tau space. Neither the main Tau territory or that atoll they claimed after the Startide Nexus
Dark Angels are around the space between the Eye of Terror, Terra, and Fenris.
The west of galactic center. Tau territory is all on the Eastern Fringe
cloud kindle
something something ambition of the tau
odd sparrow
this is why GW still needs to make the tau establish exclaves throughout the galaxy with the weirdo wormhole tech
so this issue doesn't occur
open marsh
Issue still happens. Like WTF were the Ultramarines doing on Vigilus. Which is almost on the exact far sight of the galaxy
cloud kindle
because matt ward wills it
odd sparrow
i mean, it's p easy to justify with imperial factions
just cus imperium
it's virtually impossible to write tau into anything that isn't in their tiny lil sphere
without it just being dumb ofc
open marsh
Still difficult to justify individual chapters from pulling that.
Like if it had been a DA successor chapter, there would be no issue. Since you can figure that particular chapter's homeworld is near tau space. nothing keeping successors to hang out with their OG chapter
odd sparrow
meh
open marsh
And its not just the Space Marines. Like there is a Cadian Guardsman that pops up in the Calgar comic, thus in Ultramar.
Wtf is a Cadian doing in Ultramar. Where the fuck is the Ultramar Auxilia?
crisp heath
Just finished the last book in the beast arises series
coarse mirage
did it arise?
open marsh
People give that series hel. But atleast it wasnt about a Slaaneshi cultist invasion
crisp heath
Ive never gotten a clear answer to what its about
Ive been told orks are involved
And yellow boys
crisp heath
did it arise?
Yeah but chad blm marines put him down harshly
But ive never gotten anything more than that
coarse mirage
Ive never gotten a clear answer to what its about
Second biggest Waagh of all time
crisp heath
BLM? The fists?
Yeah i cant tell if it’s people memeing or not but apparently people on 4chan are saying blm is stealing the fist logo or theyre saying that 40k is using the blm logo in an attempt to appeal to sjws
Its kinda nuts
storm jungle
wat
crisp heath
Alpha legion shit
potent swift
Your first mistake is believing 4chan