Ah, I see where we're disagreeing now. Ok, I basically agree with you, Medic.
#40k-lore-chat
green sedge
vast frigate
The way "Military grade" here is counted as weapons that are over specific calibre
crisp heath
how about in the grimdank time of 40k there is little worry as whether something is """military""" or not as you are either shooting ork raiders on your farm, dying on a battlefield as a guardsmen, or getting stomped down by an oppressive planetary govt.
green sedge
I think the point is just that civilians in the DAoT would have had access to them.
vast frigate
Thats not part of the discussion cyber
crisp heath
among other things
open marsh
The way "Military grade" here is counted as weapons that are over specific calib...
As a ex-army vet. I can translate "military grade" to you: it means "bottom of the barrel. the bare basics needed to get the job done. the cheapest way possible"
vast frigate
Hahaha
Yeah ive heard so from my grandfathee
Which bothers me more because he was a fighter pilot
crisp heath
😳
celest dome
bare basics needed to get the job done.
More like the bare basics for the investor to pay (even if it doesn't work)
green sedge
No no, that's where it's been getting confused. What he's saying is that it isn't something where it would have been kept out of civilian hands, like plasma would have been.
crisp heath
who says plasma is kept out of civilians hands
green sedge
Name one
crisp heath
Name one where it isn't
celest dome
Plasma are used for Mining equipement iirc (Genestealer)
vast frigate
Like... Forgeworlds. 👀
green sedge
Name me a planet where you see a civilian with a working plasma weapon.
open marsh
Which bothers me more because he was a fighter pilot
It applies to vehicles too. Know what its like in a M113 AMEV? Your heater is some boiler looking thing in the back with 1 vent right next to it. There is no such thing as air conditioning. The driver's seat is comparable to like a $20 office chair that has no adjustments. There is no such thing as an airbag. Your seatbelt is a simple waist strap. The troop compartment's seats are just a bench with single strap waistbelts and hold on straps on the ceiling (like when you are on a bus).
crisp heath
Name me a planet where you see a civilian with a working plasma weapon.
name one where you know for sure plasma isn't usued
vast frigate
It applies to vehicles too. Know what its like in a M113 AMEV? Your heater is so...
My grandfather described the plane seats as; a lawn chair with a pillow
open marsh
My grandfather described the plane seats as; a lawn chair with a pillow
Accurate
crisp heath
explicity stated the use of plasma existing or not
sinful leaf
Name one
What about catachan, or does everyone there count as military/they don't have plasma, just flamethrowers?
open marsh
Name me a planet where you see a civilian with a working plasma weapon.
Necromunda
celest dome
Warhammer has so many planet that regulation aren't the same on each of them
crisp heath
Warhammer has so many planet that regulation aren't the same on each of them
exactly
which is why the whole arguement solves nothing
vast frigate
Accurate
Fighter seats, modern (1980s) and he noted his service pistol to be; a good paperweight
open marsh
The problem with plasma tech is its rarity. The difficulty of production / maintance. Your average civilian simply wont have the access to resources or knowledge needed to keep it in working order
green sedge
Uh, no, I think it's been clearly established that lasguns were everywhere in DAoT, so the argument that we started with is totally solved.
green sedge
Were you paying zero attention Cysaber?
crisp heath
joined late if you couldnt tell
green sedge
Ah.
celest dome
Guns are everywhere in belgium, doesn't mean we all have an AR at home or the latest Military Issued Equipement
green sedge
This was about whether colonists had lasguns. The consensus seems to be yes
open marsh
wait what about DAoT
To prevent the entire convo from going on repeat again. the initial argument was that lasguns were more of a civilian weapon than a military one. That it was mostly used by civilians while the military soldiers used something better
crisp heath
I think it matters not because a civilian is so irrelevant in the grand scheme
open marsh
His idea was that lasguns are somehow too limited in capability to make effective military use. Compared to what he thought the soldiers of the DAoT would have
cerulean wagon
Name me a planet where you see a civilian with a working plasma weapon.
necromunda
but that doesnt realy count
crisp heath
and pdfs can have lasguns, like guardsmen can have autoguns
green sedge
Did you just describe 98% of the population as being irrelevant in the grand scheme, Cysaber?
open marsh
and pdfs can have lasguns, like guardsmen can have autoguns
Not 30k/40k soldiers. We were talking about DAoT soldiers
atomic pelican
The autogun lasgun fight in high swing again I see
potent swift
I mean, if you can conceivably kill an Ork with it than who cares?
vast frigate
@atomic pelican its not
crisp heath
ah good point
open marsh
The autogun lasgun fight in high swing again I see
Not really. More of a "lol lasguns are little better than flashlights. why would you use them". just in another form
celest dome
and pdfs can have lasguns, like guardsmen can have autoguns
yes, most have but some world have Autogun as they can produce them at home
green sedge
DAoT had lasguns or better, is what we've basically established?
crisp heath
yes
vast frigate
Only krak grenades
crisp heath
yes
green sedge
I don't think anyone was disparaging the lasgun, Medic.
celest dome
DAoT had lasguns *or better*, is what we've basically established?
Lasgun haven't been noted to go down in quality (Or at least not to much iirc)
vast frigate
There was 1 person here
green sedge
This basically started with the premise that they're great.
vast frigate
And he does it often and annoyingly ao
cerulean wagon
na clocks
open marsh
DAoT had lasguns *or better*, is what we've basically established?
Well, in more detail. The DAoT has lasguns, but had better lasguns. And lasguns were still the standard issue for the same reasons they are standard issue even into 40k: effective against a wide variety of targets/rugged/simple to make and maintain/with easily supplied ammunition
cerulean wagon
the bit you missed to start
psuedo was basically saying lasguns were farm equipment and not military, and that they are bad for logistics
i quote "you cant airdrop power"
which misses the point entirely
green sedge
I got a brief summary of the start from Pseudo in another server, who asked me to step in to help him clarify his position because he has a headache and felt he wasn't communicating effectively.
celest dome
i quote "you cant airdrop power"
Well if you can use Solar Panel you sure can
cerulean wagon
or plug it into a house, or generator, or tech priest or.....
potent swift
This isn't the 18th century where soldiers are expected to make their own bullets
open marsh
or put it near a fire
final spruce
Or put it in your pants
green sedge
The fire trick is really bad for the packs.
open marsh
The beauty of powerpacks is that if you have any way of generating heat or electricity, you can recharge them
celest dome
or plug it into a house, or generator, or tech priest or.....
If you keep sticking thing inside of my port without asking you're getting Servitor procedure
open marsh
Or put it in your pants
Is that a powerpack in your pants or are you just happy to see me
cerulean wagon
crisp heath
😳
celest dome
The fire trick is really bad for the packs.
Only if you put it IN the fire
crisp heath
No it still wears down pack
final spruce
Is that a powerpack in your pants or are you just happy to see me
Hey I was half kidding there
green sedge
... Yeah, no, like... What I'm saying is that his argument wasn't coming across well because his head hurts. He was absolutely not trying to dis the lasgun.
vast frigate
Any way if generating heat
coarse mirage
this went down the gutter in like
Yeah. I'm not angry. Just very disappointed.
final spruce
Inside the sheets of a bad can usually go above 36°c
vast frigate
For the emperor, we fuck
celest dome
Slaanesh is happy today
final spruce
cerulean wagon
just eat the laspacks to heat them up
green sedge
It was the opposite of the "lol flashlights" argument.
potent swift
Hey I was half kidding there
I'm pretty sure Titanicus had a Tech Priest actually power up a radio or something by plugging it into themselves, so it's not entirely out of the question.
cerulean wagon
I'm pretty sure Titanicus had a Tech Priest actually power up a radio or somethi...
yeah some have potentia coils that let them charge stuff
vast frigate
"The comissar mad about the ratling eating a laspack"
Me about to proudly tell him about the box of krak and frag grenades i ate
final spruce
I'm pretty sure Titanicus had a Tech Priest actually power up a radio or somethi...
Tech priests can kickstart ships thanks to their implants
vast frigate
Yep
green sedge
I think there's a bit in a Ciaphas Cain book where an Enginseer plugs some things into herself, so yeah.
final spruce
Its their most basic one at that the one that turns them into hunchbacks because of its sherr weight
vast frigate
Ciaphas cum
crisp heath
I think there's a bit in a Ciaphas Cain book where an Enginseer plugs some thing...
😳😳😳😳😳😳
final spruce
Sadly I dont remember its name and my computer is too bad to rapidly check the Rt pdf
green sedge
I mean it's also implied they were fucking so yeah?
crisp heath
techseks
summer niche
Sadly I dont remember its name and my computer is too bad to rapidly check the R...
i think it's the one where they're rushing to some temple in the end right?
they're up in the mountains
final spruce
I mean the name of the implant
final spruce
There is a big difference between a tech adept and an engiseer
cerulean wagon
i just remember a lady enginseer adept being very involved in that story
first siege of perlia yeah
cerulean wagon
There is a big difference between a tech adept and an engiseer
she became an enginseer later
summer niche
yeah, she wasn't a finished enginseer if i remember ight
summer niche
so she didn't have all the implants
final spruce
Unforgivable
crisp heath
no
final spruce
Nah the implant that powers stuff is like the most basic thing
Its the first thing all tech adepts get
It serves as a base for following additions
Ima check the name
Im sorry im being vague atm
summer niche
yeah, exactly
i'm pretty sure that's what she had
anyway she joined his convoy and kept the vehicles running
cerulean wagon
hard to remember off the top of ur head
she is
big recommend ciaphas cain books
shes a gremlin, the books are great
summer niche
yeah
final spruce
CYBER MANTLE
summer niche
just
final spruce
Here we go
cerulean wagon
yeah theres a lot
final spruce
And within the cyber mantle you have the Potentia Coil
summer niche
it does have a nice cling to it
kling?
hm
is this even an english thing to say, am i trying to englishfy swedish sayings right now
cerulean wagon
i have bo idea
green sedge
Ring
storm jungle
the indepth tech priest stuff has stupid names
Wydm, how could a guy named Kelbor HAL betray the imperium
green sedge
Has a nice ring to it
summer niche
yeah, that's prob why i said kling, cause it's sort of the swedish word for like when you hit a glass with your fork
final spruce
You were 2 letters away
summer niche
the sound it makes
green sedge
... Oh wow Dilara I never noticed that.
cerulean wagon
i do t get it ngl
green sedge
HAL is from 2001 Space Odyssey.
potent swift
It's an AI that kills people
storm jungle
Yeah its so on the nose
green sedge
It's the computer that betrays the crew
summer niche
I can't let you do that Skeleton
green sedge
Heh yeah.
visual pumice
hot mint
summer niche
i got a craving for kubrick movies laterly
after watching lighthouse
we need more movies like that
vagrant osprey
So... Crackpot theory: Catachan is the home of the last surviving Old One, who is making increasingly deadly things to make everything go away already
Catachan doesn't even have to worry about Orks, because fighting there isn't fun
Necrons won't go to planets without sentient life, even if there was an Old One there
Everything EXCEPT humans avoid the place.
green sedge
Heh
vast frigate
Necrons dont care and its tyrranids on catachan
crisp heath
I like the theory that Sly Marbo is an imperial saint but he just doesnt care about the whole flair (wings n halos)
crisp heath
I love marbo
vagrant osprey
Necrons dont care and its tyrranids on catachan
I think the nids wouldn't show up except by accident, and would leave if they did happen to arrive there.
Any genestealer cults would warn the fleet off, as they do for deathworlds.
(If genestealers were smart, anyway)
vast frigate
I think the nids wouldn't show up except by accident, and would leave if they di...
No i mean, some of the wild life on catachan is Tyranid
Canon wise
open marsh
Where was that said in canon? I remember some theories that most of the wildlife on Catachan are like proto-tyranid bioforms. But I dont remember seeing it actually in the lore
vast frigate
the catachan devil is for example, a nid, or a former nid
final spruce
Its in the new xeno biologis
final spruce
I think its also mentionned in the tyranid codex
open marsh
oof. Im not digging out my 4e codexes tonight...way too sleepy
ill just take the lexicanum's word on it
vast frigate
im trying to read through my biologis
storm jungle
Yeah to be honest its said in canon that "these are probably lost nids"
but it doesnt go too beyond that
coarse mirage
Apparently Guillimans visit to the golden throne is what lit the astronomical again
storm jungle
Is it?
I thought some dudes went to fix it instead, it was the plot of an entire book awhile back
coarse mirage
It was just mentioned
The character doesn’t explain it in any detail
Earlier in the book a Custodian remarks that the people who care for the throne don’t know shit about it
storm jungle
Yeah its all ancient tech
final spruce
Thats why they hire Deldars to maintain it
storm jungle
Which went horribly and they all got executed
crisp heath
Is the golden throne still failing or did they fix it
hallow apex
Still dying I think
final seal
held on by duct tape made of souls
vagrant osprey
Golden throne is xenotech
storm jungle
No its not.
Its literally described as ancient tech-stuff from DAoT.
the only reason they bring in an haemonculus is because they're desperate, and its done in secret without most of the High Lords' knowledge.
final spruce
Because the very few factions with that kind of knowledge are the Deldars
crisp heath
Golden Throne's not xenotech, it's archaeo-chaos tech. It's a part of whatever he stole from the ruinous powers, when he went to confer with them.
That and the power to manifest the Legion of the Damned
odd sparrow
[1]
coarse mirage
Golden Throne's not xenotech, it's archaeo-chaos tech. It's a part of whatever h...
I can’t even see your name or pfp
What in the world is that profile
prime kernel
@final spruce theirs a few xenotech pieces in it though
storm jungle
Any evidence of that?
rotund siren
I think there's some hints about the Custodes trying to get help from xenos to help fix the Golden Throne? Or at least someone here talked about it once
storm jungle
Oh no theres an entire book about it
but the haemonculus literally does nothing, goes horny at the aspect of how much suffering energy the throne gives; then goes rogue.
Then the custodians kill it and the people who hired him.
cerulean wagon
they went for xeno help, but it wasnt because its xeno tech
storm jungle
^
Its only because it was simply the logic of "hey these aliens are really old af and know surgical machinery shit, maybe they can fix it"
rotund siren
ah ok
storm jungle
People just tend to overplay that story way too much.
storm jungle
📚
storm jungle
What in the world is that profile
This character is the Basmala which is the widest Unicode character. It means "In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful."
According to a Reddit user who has now deleted their account: “It's an Arabic ligature commonly used in Urdu. It was added so someone using an Urdu keyboard can type it easier.”
odd sparrow
very useful for spamming chats
open marsh
Its only because it was simply the logic of "hey these aliens are really old af ...
Plus the very strong theory that the golden throne is old one / early eldar tech. So the haemonculi are the only ones around who could have even been alive back then. So are the most likely to know how it works
potent swift
I mean, supposedly the DE have made a full scale replica of the Golden Throne outta meat or something so I guess they're not entirely off the mark? Or perhaps that was the real reason that Haemonculus agreed to go along, just to make sure they got everything right.
coarse mirage
I mean, supposedly the DE have made a full scale replica of the Golden Throne ou...
ah yes, the Meat Throne.
storm jungle
That was a different coven
and it was more to mock the golden throne more than anything
open marsh
Yeah. it wasnt actually a functional thing.
summer niche
lovely meat simulacra
vagrant osprey
The Golden Throne was explicitly made partially with Eldar tech.
storm jungle
Where is this said?
vagrant osprey
It's like 1% Eldar tech, 2% DAoT ship parts, and 97% Mechanicum jank.
cerulean wagon
okay but where is this stated
vagrant osprey
In the part where they tried to find Eldar who could repair it?
cerulean wagon
thats
not confirmation that its eldar tech
thats just confirmation that the lords are stupid
storm jungle
also desperate
vagrant osprey
No, desperate is that they hired Drukari.
final spruce
Because Drukhari are literally the guys with the most knowledge about technology ?
open marsh
not confirmation that its eldar tech
to be fair. that it controls a webway gate kinda proves its either Eldar tech or Old One tech
final spruce
Their technology predates humanity
vagrant osprey
There was literally no reason to hire ANY xenos for it unless there was reason to believe it would work.
storm jungle
To quote myself again
Its only because it was simply the logic of "hey these aliens are really old af and know surgical machinery shit, maybe they can fix it"
vagrant osprey
By that logic, why not hire some freebooters to make it work?
storm jungle
Theres zero evidence of it being eldar tech. Its always waved away as "ancient tech-stuff"
final spruce
And in the end it bit them in the ass since it allowed a Solitaire and his pals to infiltrate it later
open marsh
Theres zero evidence of it being eldar tech. Its always waved away as "ancient t...
Webway gate
open marsh
The throne controls the gate.
storm jungle
Yes but they are obviously seperate things
the only thing that connects them are just cables
open marsh
The best theory I have seen, and the one that made the most sense, is the Golden Throne was made by humanity during the DAoT. using reverse engineered Eldar tech. In order to bust into the webway
vagrant osprey
There's very little overlap between DAoT and psykers existing.
open marsh
The Dark Glass station, which seems to have the the prototype for the Golden Throne further proved that. As it was dated to the DAoT
vagrant osprey
Not in any significant quantities, at least.
final spruce
Or Dark Eldars are literally the current faction that are the most advanced technologically and that doesnt rely on psykers
open marsh
There's very little overlap between DAoT and psykers existing.
Psykers existed during the DAoT. even long before it
open marsh
DAoT humanity made the Navigators by artifically engineering psychic genelines to create a weaker but more stable psyker who could use his powers for the specific purpose of looking into the warp without going mad or a daemon exploding out of his head
storm jungle
coarse mirage
DAoT humanity made the Navigators by artifically engineering psychic genelines t...
where pre-heresy navigators soulbound too?
atomic pelican
Yeah bro haven't you read the Soulbound pdf?
coarse mirage
Yeah bro haven't you read the Soulbound pdf?
I didn't get this memo please resend
hallow apex
In what year does the novel Penitent by Dan Abnett take place in? You may @ me.
open marsh
Sometime around the late 400s.M41
hallow apex
During the 13th Black Crusade?
open marsh
No this was almost 500 years earlier
hallow apex
Oh
open marsh
Nani. How did a Carcharodons Chaplain end up in Commorragh?
He got bored
serene jungle
What are some essential books you think should be read?
And which ones would you stay away from
dull flame
Wouldn't say it's essential but The Devastation of Baal is a damn good read
"To the Space Marines flocking to the world, the fortifications were the least of the Arx Angelicum’s qualities. Baal was a spiritual home to every transhuman in the fleet. No matter how far they had strayed from the grace of their forefather, and some had strayed far indeed, the Arx Angelicum was a reminder of Sanguinius’ actuality: that the Great Angel was no myth, that he had once been, that he had walked and fought and died for the dream of the Imperium. Sanguinius himself had built that fortress and he had dwelt there. At the sight of it those Chapters who had forgotten something of their heritage felt their love for Sanguinius shine anew, while those who still held their lord in their hearts were smitten with near-religious awe.
Relations between Sanguinius’ sons remained close. Their curse was their bond. Hundreds of those present had been to Baal on pilgrimage or missions of amity. However, thousands of the warriors had not, and on many ships of many colours, hardened warriors wept to see the world of their gene-father for the first time" - The Devastation of Baal
serene jungle
😮
cloud kindle
I do want that book solely for finding out what dante says to the angels vermilion
open marsh
Its pretty dramatic. They basically crashed the big party going on. Until Dante gave them a pass
cloud kindle
Mmm do want
coarse mirage
What are some essential books you think should be read?
War of Secrets!
Shadowbreaker
crisp heath
What are some essential books you think should be read?
1-3 of Horus Heresy. Eisenhorn 1-3. Helsreach. Talon of Horus, Black Legion.
Those are my essentials
cerulean wagon
Ciaphas cain books are a nice introduction as well, 40k enough but with a sense of humour
crisp heath
Ye, i almost put ciaphas in my list but i dont think it’s necessarily essential. I love those books so much tho
summer niche
I think it's hard to pick out essentials
Since most of it is up to what you're interested in
crisp heath
Definitely a good point
crisp heath
I was tryina go for an overview type list
summer niche
Yeah
Like some shit is super important like istvan
But that shit isn't relevant if you haven't read up to that point imo
You won't understand how bad it was
crisp heath
Like 1-3 of HH sets the scene of what went wrong. Eisenhorn gives a view of imperial life. Helsreach shows what Space Marines are like now. Talon and BL show Chaos life
summer niche
Yeah good choices
coarse mirage
Helsreach was okay
cerulean wagon
Ye, i almost put ciaphas in my list but i dont think it’s necessarily essential....
yeah not essential but a good entry point
crisp heath
Tru
serene jungle
The Cain books are fantastic
Would reocmmend if one wanted a more grounded humans perspective in a universe of superpowered stuff
More humor, sure, but how would you deal with THAT anxiety he had to 😂
serene jungle
Gaunt will always be grade A
storm jungle
Yeee!
crisp heath
AAGGGGGHHHH IM SCREAMING
storm jungle
Its pretty recent iirc
coarse mirage
They reprinted Blood Quest as well in color
smoky breach
Do you all think chaplains are outfitted in skull-themed armor because that’s one of the most calming things to see for the lsm?
Like a therapy consultation thing?
gaunt vector
I never thought of that but it does make sense. The skull is a multipurpose symbol. It can help to calm the Astartes as it may remind them of a chapel or something. As the most general symbol of humanity it will remind them of their purpose enabling them to refocus and telling them that whatever they are suffering from is worth it. It also reminds them to hate their foes for all the death and ruin that they have caused.
The skull is just a very good symbol of life as an Astartes
And its one thing that they share with all humans
from the lowest guardsman all they way up to the Emperor
smoky breach
And with how sentry skulls are servants, they may remind them of security.
Not saying they can protect, but they can aid, in what little amounts they’re able to.
gaunt vector
true
dull flame
On the topic of good 40k books again there's also:
The Night Lords Omnibus,
Storm of Iron
Baneblade/Shadowsword
Gunheads
Titanicus
And the Forge of Mars series is pretty gud too. I enjoyed it for what it was.
potent swift
I highly recommend The Infinite and the Divine if you have any interest in Necrons
dull flame
That's on my read list. Trazyn & Orkian's Excellent Adventure
open marsh
Btw that orky looking thing is ||GorkaMorka||
crisp heath
Gork unit and Mork unit when
vast frigate
Gorkamork > Khorne
prime kernel
who the fuck makes these man.
storm jungle
The art?
prime kernel
ye
storm jungle
Sure you can find him on grimdank, the guy makes a lot of regular posts
prime kernel
link ?
storm jungle
let me see if i can find him
storm jungle
Yeah my best guess is he probably just got bored and moved onto 40k
hes REALLY active on grimdank
@prime kernel FOUND IT
storm jungle
prime kernel
this one be juicy
storm jungle
christ, looks like a meth table
final seal
reminded me of battletech faction territory
dim totem
christ, looks like a meth table
how would you know hmmm
no reason
dim totem
Suspicious
prime kernel
Id rather not get addicted to something. especially something as screwed up as meth. Heroine is the worst offender in that regard though.
plucky moth
hi dutch I'm incan
open marsh
Its easier to understand if you translate "Erda" as high gothic for "Karen"
hallow apex
Abnett skub
hallow apex
He’s okay sans skub
Erda is a middle finger to ABD’s First Heretic
And also ‘Karen took the kids’
crisp heath
almost like you're copy pasting the 1d4chan article huh
primal tide
Lmao
hallow apex
I can’t say I saw the article
crisp heath
sure broh
hallow apex
But it’s almost like people can have similar beliefs
open marsh
Erda is a middle finger to ABD’s First Heretic
See. Thats something I have noticed people misunderstand. Since Erda's involvement is left ambigious, it doesnt conflict with First Heretic's depiction of the scattering
hallow apex
That’s an interesting take
storm jungle
Tbh it doesnt still make it any less stupid
Heres this character we never heard of before!
and plays like... SUCH a big hand in the entirety of the primarch's creation
hallow apex
I actually like the Perpetual side plots
open marsh
That’s an interesting take
All we know of Erda's involvement is that she admits she is responsible for it.
hallow apex
It humanizes Big E in a good way
primal tide
*and plays like... SUCH a big hand in the entirety of the primarch's creation*
Not if you figure that emps was gonna do it even if she didn't 
crisp heath
So can I read Saturnine without reading the other books?
open marsh
I actually like the Perpetual side plots
What I dont get about the perpetual hate is we already knew perpetuals existed. The shamans who sacrificed themselves to create the Emperor were noted as being perpetuals. And Vulkan was one as well
hallow apex
I mean, you should
crisp heath
I just have trouble getting the logistics of perpetuals
barren tapir
I think that the introduction of Erda is a nice thing
hallow apex
You’ll derive more enjoyment from Saturnine if you read the others
storm jungle
Isnt the entire point of perpetual hate that they are fucking everywhere?
And not their existence?
storm jungle
I dunno man we're all Perpetuals at this point.
barren tapir
It make more sense that it is her that made the warp rift that scattered the primarchs than the chaos gods with a SM sent back in time because warp sheanigans
crisp heath
like when Curze decides hes gonna dismember Vulkan in to 3 cubic inch pieces
how does vulkan know which cube he's gonna regen from
liek bruh
hallow apex
But a lot of the codex lore was chaos scattering the Primarchs
crisp heath
cmonnn
open marsh
Isnt the entire point of perpetual hate that they are fucking *everywhere*?
List of perpetuals:
Ollanius Perrson
Erda
That 1 who sacrificed herself to resurrect Malcador
Vulkan
John Grammaticus (artificially given his perpetual nature by Eldar warp fuckery)
Oh and Big E
barren tapir
Isnt the entire point of perpetual hate that they are fucking *everywhere*?
I didn't saw much of hate toward the perpetual... It may have been that they seems to be always in the right place to do incredible stuff though
hallow apex
Like a space vampire
barren tapir
But a lot of the codex lore was chaos scattering the Primarchs
It is not entirely false though
storm jungle
crisp heath
Honestly tho
barren tapir
Did she sacrifice herself?
No, he was talking about alivia
open marsh
Did she sacrifice herself?
Yeah. Its in the Magnus book. Magnus deletes Malcador, and a perpetual that was a friend of Malcador sacrifices her self (permakilled) to resurrect him
barren tapir
Also that thing about Malcador being killed by maguns and revived by alivia is utter BS
Perpetual status cannot be given that way... Dumb writers
hallow apex
Felt like fury of Magnus was bad. Like the author twisted himself into a Windsor knot to justify why Magnus didn’t go back into the fold
open marsh
Also that thing about Malcador being killed by maguns and revived by alivia is u...
I mean yeah. Its obvious that Alivia was created for the story simply as a "get out of jail free card" for Malcador. Since we knew he would survive. But the author wanted that moment of "What?".
barren tapir
From all the excerpt i managed to find it really looks bad
barren tapir
I mean yeah. Its obvious that Alivia was created for the story simply as a "get ...
It was also a way to eliminate a perpetual without too much thinking, it is just a bad story
open marsh
Perpetual status cannot be given that way... Dumb writers
Perpetuals can sacrifice their power and souls to others. Its how Big E was made. And even Malcador does the same when he gives the last of his strength to Big E after he is taken off the Golden Throne
hallow apex
I’ve listened to every HH and SoT thusfar.
storm jungle
Shamans were perpetuals?
hallow apex
My head is full of bolter fire. Fury of Mag was weak, imo
storm jungle
I thought they just reincarnated
open marsh
Shamans were perpetuals?
Yes
hallow apex
The lore is just legend
barren tapir
Perpetuals can sacrifice their power and souls to others. Its how Big E was made...
Big E creation was kinda different though... The shamans weren't really perpetuals, they could reincarnate, but that isn't the same as being a perpetual
barren tapir
Shamans were perpetuals?
Nope
open marsh
I thought they just reincarnated
What do you think Perpetuals do. I dont think "respawn" is an effective term for it (even if it is more accurate. But its a gaming term)
hallow apex
That’s what Abnett is trying to convey
open marsh
The Shamans always respawned back from death
hallow apex
Isn’t GW shying away from the star child thing?
open marsh
ala something like this
Basically
storm jungle
oooh
barren tapir
Yup, that is what perpetuals do
open marsh
L O N G B O I
hallow apex
I like your input, prince
crisp heath
fucking long ass dudes damn
open marsh
Prince be like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hYZaqYCZyQ
storm jungle
But yeah im just waiting for the last 3 books
where Abnett makes a twist that Sangy mauls Big E or something
hallow apex
It’s actually Horus on the throne
storm jungle
Yeee i always thought of it that way during the vulkan/curze stuff
open marsh
It’s actually Horus on the throne
Its Alpharius
primal tide
E is malcadors stand
hallow apex
It’s always Alphariua
storm jungle
Oh yeah thanks GW, now officially hes the first found primarch
hallow apex
He is??
storm jungle
Yep!
crisp heath
ye
hallow apex
Where?
open marsh
Yeee i always thought of it that way during the vulkan/curze stuff
Fun fact: Ollanius Perrson is older than Big E
hallow apex
Citation needed plz
storm jungle
Citation needed plz
crisp heath
bigbigbig
storm jungle
I got most of my info from a reddit breakdown
hallow apex
For fuckske
storm jungle
Fun fact: Ollanius Perrson is older than Big E
Also yeah the motherfucker is an argonaut
Its so bad.
All the memes come to life.
hallow apex
It is? It’s a bad book?
open marsh
Oh yeah thanks GW, now officially hes the first found primarch
cough
||"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."||
||"I am Alpharius. This was a lie."||
hallow apex
Waiting on Mortis
hallow apex
Then I guess I’ll grab it
crisp heath
why this orky so fat
peak hamlet
Lmao
hallow apex
why this orky so fat
You may not like it, but that’s what peak performance looks like
storm jungle
*cough*
||"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."||
||"I am Alpharius. This was a li...
Thats just another "UHUH ALPHA LEGION IS LYING TO YOU PERHAPS? XD" shit.
crisp heath
ok ye that funny
open marsh
Thats just another "UHUH ALPHA LEGION IS LYING TO YOU PERHAPS? XD" shit.
The problem with the Alpharius primarch book is that it is written from the perspective as if it was Alpharius himself (or Omegon. or a random legionary) writing it.
primal tide
why this orky so fat
American ork
storm jungle
but its just so fucking obnoxious
They made the most memey legion even more of a joke.
But thats my salty-stance on it so you can ignore me on that.
open marsh
but its just so fucking obnoxious
I find it fun. A thing of the Alpha Legion is they always bury a grain of truth within the lie.
primal tide
Alpha legion and dark angels get done dirty so routinely
Big sads
Turns out writing sneaky is difficult
primal tide
And every character on some level is big brain
crisp heath
you have to be able to give new info/lore on the alpha legion but keep them secret
impossible to please everyone, really
open marsh
How we know that Alpharius (or Omegon. since the book flips who is who) isnt the first primarch is from the story "The Serpeant Beneath". Where an Alpha Legionair is allowed to drink some of Omegon's blood, thus his Omniphage (I know its misspelled. I dont wanna look it up), lets him see Omegon's true memories. And in his memories he sees Alpharius and Omegon as children, together, on a distant world
crisp heath
primal tide
Sounds like tzeentch fuckery
crisp heath
bros.....
primal tide
My face after work
crisp heath
hrud look so stupid lol
primal tide
Lmao
coarse mirage
why this orky so fat
He was stuck in a dark cell for a long time, cut off from anything and everything.
hallow apex
I can show you Slaanesh fuckery
open marsh
Sounds like tzeentch fuckery
Tzeentch wishes he could be on the level of the Alpha Legion. Its why the traitor side of the legion didnt fall to Tzeentch. Tzeentch isnt worthy of their levels of secrecy and misdirection
crisp heath
fast forge
Hrud models when
crisp heath
BIG ARM BABY
primal tide
Tzeentch wishes he could be on the level of the Alpha Legion. Its why the traito...
That's what Tzeentch wants you to think
open marsh
That's what Tzeentch wants you to think
I will end you
hallow apex
‘My right arm is stronger than my left arm’
crisp heath
oh WOW
primal tide
Being single during covid be like
hallow apex
Being single during covid be like
The cantaloupe on the counter looking kinda thicc
storm jungle
Tzeentch wishes he could be on the level of the Alpha Legion. Its why the traito...
I just wish it stopped tho ngl
open marsh
I just wish it stopped tho ngl
I dont. I find it amazing fun to sort the truth from the lies.
storm jungle
It just seems like another nonsense for the writers to make uncessary complications and turn their entire chapter into a metal gear plot.
also what truths
its made to be undecipherable half the time just for the "PERHAPS THEY'RE LOYALISTS" shit again.
final spruce
Wdym Metal gear has an actual plotline
hallow apex
Waiting for BL to open up contests again so I can submit some writing
cerulean wagon
yeah thats offensive to mgs, even if the creators head is five miles up his own ass
storm jungle
With the Alphas its like "XD its all a lie, unreliable memenarator!"
crisp heath
LET ME HAVE FUN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF EISENHORN IS CHILLING WITH ALPHARIUS HIMSELF
😠
open marsh
its made to be undecipherable half the time just for the "PERHAPS THEY'RE LOYALI...
There is a solid story behind them. Its just that story is covered with misdirection and half-truths. I showed you that lore analysis I did where I pushed the lies away and found the grains of truth
cerulean wagon
no
hallow apex
Just want to get in a room with Guy Hayley so I can tell him to stop writing books and give me more codexes
crisp heath
fair
storm jungle
There is a solid story behind them. Its just that story is covered with misdirec...
I know!
novel fulcrum
there's truth in anything about the alpha legion?
storm jungle
But they're just gonna fuck it all up again.
open marsh
there's truth in anything about the alpha legion?
Surprisingly. yes
novel fulcrum
i thought the other 17 existing legions just made them up 😔
storm jungle
final spruce
You know what
open marsh
novel fulcrum
or maybe i could see them being like, a psychological terror project of the night lords
novel fulcrum
'yes, this legion that you know nothing about could be any one of the males in your population, and could destroy you at any time'
primal tide
Or ladies
cerulean wagon
Theres gonna be a third twin.
third.... twin....
storm jungle
SOLIDUS
also hey
im going by mgs logic here
those 3 assholes all looked the same
primal tide
Alpharius, Gammaticus, Omegon
novel fulcrum
do they use polymorphine? i dunno much about the actual doctrine of the alpha legion (as if anyone else does either)
storm jungle
and "triplets" is a dumb word
open marsh
Theres gonna be a third twin.
There isnt. Id have to track down where it was said, but one of the guys at GW got sick of fans hammering him with that idea and he shot it down. The 3 heads of the Hydra represent:
Alpharius, Omegon, and the Legion as a whole.
storm jungle
Eh i dont trust it still no offense.
Considering it anything can happen in 40k they're as unreliable as the alpha legion.
But we'll see.
novel fulcrum
unless it represents guilliman, sanguinius, and johnson because alpharius and omegon looked up to the imperium secundus secretly to such a loyal degree :^)
final spruce
those 3 assholes all looked the same
I mean technically the New Calgar has pulled a Venom Snake
So yeah
novel fulcrum
fucking comic book calgar
final spruce
40k is now Metal gear solid and owned by the japanese
Moe space marines are soon arriving
storm jungle
novel fulcrum
konami's new acquisition
marneus 'venom' calgar
cerulean wagon
he has such big hands
novel fulcrum
the better to hold a cadian pylon with
crisp heath
better to remove a lord of skulls head with
open marsh
I mean technically the New Calgar has pulled a Venom Snake
To be fair. Venom Snake is just an "I am Alpharius" situation. It would be like Alpharius grabbing a random Alpha Legionnaire, making him think he actually is Alpharius. Decking him out with a copy of his own wargear. And sending him off to act as a distraction while he works on his actual project
final spruce
Yes I too have played Metal Gear 5 and know its plot
To the point I made a reference to it in 40k lore
novel fulcrum
and then later on alpharius contacts the other alpharius and tells him the truth, and says 'i'm alpharius, and you are too' and then venom alpharius smirks and punches the mirror with his prosthetic arm and then he is face blood and--
open marsh
This.
final spruce
Wait they actually did that art ?
storm jungle
:3
novel fulcrum
luth
luther made this when he was in the dark angels' timeout box
storm jungle
Yeee
open marsh
MGS1 is just Alpharius vs Omegon
final spruce
LIQUIIIIIIIIIIID
SNAAAAAAKE
novel fulcrum
and then venom alpharius grabs the ashes of his fallen sons and/or brother and wipes them all over his face and then says they'll be diamonds except for the face ashes which only get to be face ashes
novel fulcrum
venom alpharius
storm jungle
novel fulcrum
were you even paying attention to the 10 hour story summary of the metal gear franchise?
:^)
final spruce
Well he is the triplet idiot
open marsh
Wait whos solidus then
Eh this is where the analogues break down. Since there are 5 snakes, but only 2 Alpharius/Omegon
crisp heath
thats what u think
novel fulcrum
solidus is literally venom though
open marsh
Naked Snake (Big Boss), Venom Snake (Big Boss), Solid Snake (Old Snake), Liquid Snake, Solidus Snake
storm jungle
Theres only 3 Snakes when it comes to the clones. Its normal to get them confused since they got titles too.
open marsh
solidus is literally venom though
No Solidus was the 3rd clone, and actually the youngest of the brothers.
Venom became the "Big Boss" you fight/kill in the original Metal Gear game
novel fulcrum
oh, was the first game's big boss not solidus?
open marsh
Correct
final spruce
Yep
storm jungle
It all ties around in a perfect loop yeah
novel fulcrum
understanda🅱️le, have a nice frog soldier army
final spruce
Thats how Mgs5 solved the fact that you kill big boss twice
dim totem
Someone explain the mgs plot to me
final spruce
No
open marsh
It all ties around in a perfect loop yeah
Thats what everyone loves/hates about Metal gear's story. Shit is convulted and confusing as fuck but comes full circle and you realize that evey bit of it of bullshit and confusion was part of the greater whole and needed to make the whole thing work
novel fulcrum
the la li lu le lo
storm jungle
Thats what everyone loves/hates about Metal gear's story. Shit is convulted and ...
Yeah its convoluted but explainable.
Also silly af, which is great.
open marsh
But there is little confusion
Its confusing and bullshit until you have te full story. Then you are like "Oooohhh..."
novel fulcrum
sometimes i wish one dude guided the entire vision of 40k
final spruce
With their big japanese dialogues they say everything
dim totem
The only thing I know is that snake is based off of the best actor to ever live kurt russell
final spruce
Nah each game is mostly self contained apart from MGS5 because Ground Zeroes, despite being a demo is counted as its own
storm jungle
sometimes i wish one dude guided the entire vision of 40k
Same.
Or did a site like this:
Probably the best thing in existence.
open marsh
Nah each game is mostly self contained apart from MGS5 because Ground Zeroes, de...
Each game has its own internal plot, but they each have a greater narrative that needs the other games to make full sense of
final spruce
Yes they are all connected so that they make sense
Apart maybe from some part of the end of MGS4
storm jungle
Yeah MGS4 i can understand once i learnd the development of the game
its such a exposition mess because everyone wanted kojima to explain everything so he just said "alright, ill spoonfeed it to you then" lol
NaNoMaChİneS
also he got death threats so thats cool stuff
primal tide
~~also he got death threats so thats cool stuff~~
Can you even call yourself a Gamer if you haven't sent big K a death threat
final spruce
Damn guess im a baby gamer then
Time to shit on him for Death stranding even though I never played it
Because even in a game, working for Amazon isnt fun
primal tide
What if yoko taro is secretly also kojima
open marsh
I love the Alpha Legion. But I guess its because I have an idea of wtf is going on with them
cloud kindle
Thats what they want you to think
Then wham taken out by me
Cause i was alpharius all along
storm jungle
final spruce
Or is she ?
cloud kindle
Perhaps the real alpharius was the friends we made along the way
vagrant osprey
A sector under the total control of the Alpha Legion would appear in all ways to be a safe, secure, and functional part of the loyal Imperium
eternal ledge
crisp heath
A sector under the total control of the Alpha Legion would appear in all ways to...
Not if they had other plans for the plabnet
vagrant osprey
Planet? I said sector.
ashen zenith
if a friend asks you "what is wh40k?" how do you answer it in a normal way without going into 11 tangents and completely turning him off
summer niche
Fun
open marsh
if a friend asks you "what is wh40k?" how do you answer it in a normal way witho...
Star Wars but way more badass
limpid hedge
*Correction
Star Wars but cool
primal tide
if a friend asks you "what is wh40k?" how do you answer it in a normal way witho...
Space Hell ™️ turns the star trek universe into a clusterfuck
limpid hedge
if a friend asks you "what is wh40k?" how do you answer it in a normal way witho...
Star Wars but every single species is trying to genocide every other species. Oh and humans have formed a theocratical dictatorship led by the corpse of a god sitting on a very shinny chair the size of a continent. And that is the only way humanity has survived
summer niche
Also tell him to watch event horizon
open marsh
Well if we are getting into warpy stuff
I was just trying to give it the elevator pitch
cloud kindle
event horizon is what happens when you enter the warp without a gellar field
dim totem
Also tell him to watch event horizon
That movie is really stripped down though
novel fulcrum
if i wanted to give the elevator pitch, i kinda feel like the black library novels' foreword is a solid hook
It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries The Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.
Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from aliens, heretics, mutants - and worse.
To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
summer niche
Sure, but it's a neat intro to how the first warp could've been
Warpjump that is
Also sam neill is great so he should watch it anyway
vast frigate
if a friend asks you "what is wh40k?" how do you answer it in a normal way witho...
Take every scifi universe. Slap them together, add a dash of magic, now take a knob and turn it up to 11. Pull the knob out, crank it back up to 11 again and turn until it breaks
Also space turbo hell
Or; Its a galactic battle royale of like 12 races and their gods where applicable
dim totem
Also sam neill is great so he should watch it anyway <:Smug:736624565588983848>
That's true, maybe those three Carpenter film he was in?
dim totem
The thing, in the mouth of madness and prince of darkness are obviously meant as cosmic horror but it might fit wh40k a bit
And then there's ghosts of Mars, a b movie with ice cube about killing Mars natives
dim totem
Last thing I can recommend is brawl on cell block 99
summer niche
the void is pretty cool too, but that's just striaght up cosmic horror
but it has cool non-cgi effects
lots of suits and dolls
dim totem
A modern exploitation film and the setting gets weirder the more the plot progresses
The void? Haven't seen that one
Oh wait
Isn't it the deep sea thing?
summer niche
you should look it up, even if the movie is pretty OK, it's themes are very strong
no
but there is a similar one
dim totem
Ok then I haven't seen it
summer niche
with some orb inthe deeep
summer niche
dim totem
Looks right up my alley
By some stretch of the imagination you could put the cube and el hoyo up there
summer niche
we've completely derailled at this point, but yea
dim totem
Kinda sci-fi, hard to nail down, brutal death machine
dim totem
What il saying is if you want to scratch that 40k itch, there's more complete movies than event horizon
I like the idea of event horizon but that film was just so barebones in the end
summer niche
yeah, event horizon is very specific
extremly specific even
it's a potential "humanities first warpjump"
that's it
dim totem
If you read into it, there was a lot of cool stuff on the cutting room floor
Stuff that really went into the whole going nuts in the warp angle
cloud kindle
if i wanted to give the elevator pitch, i kinda feel like the black library nove...
i liked the version of that by garrot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4CJ4F-epA&ab_channel=Garrot
storm jungle
Probably the must-watch intro into 40k.
summer niche
we should've just linked it to begin with lmao
instead of chattering about borderline relevant cosmic horror movies
dim totem
Sssssh
visual pumice
how much of the imperium knows the emperor looks like that
his visage wouldn't fill me with hope i'd feel
dim totem
Depends on what planet you ask i guess
novel fulcrum
to be fair, you probably don't live in a culture in which the human skull is a common symbol of unity
visual pumice
true
dim totem
Some see him as magic man who is in or might be the sun
novel fulcrum
but basically nobody that isn't vitally important to the imperium and/or directly related to the emperor himself and his maintenance really know about his true state
officially, as far as folk like the imperial guard are told, the emperor personally sends each and every order through the chain of command into the various theaters of war across the galaxy, spinning humanity's web with assured decisive victory always within sight
granted, nobody apart from the ogryns really believes it, but it's one of those things that's mutually agreed you have to pretend to believe
novel fulcrum
i would think so, afaik the horus heresy is no secret to most of them
summer niche
the chaos marines keep shouting corpse emperor at them in battle
you'd be bound to start wondering
lmao
dim totem
Isn't it agreed like
The high Lords of Terra say their words come from the empra himself
And nobody really dares question that
novel fulcrum
maybe more recent dark angel inductees are a little more sheltered, but i'm assuming the existence of traitor marines is probably one of the more early secrets divulged to them, even
novel fulcrum
that's the official record, yes
summer niche
also i'm pretty sure if the high lords of terra start doing wierd shit, the space marines would come home and fuck them up
dim totem
And I think if you live 62835 planets over you dont really question that
cloud kindle
big e did want normal humans to have a say in how humanity should be
novel fulcrum
as far as anyone that isn't privy to the truth is told, the emperor is the source of all decrees
cloud kindle
only intervened when important shit called his attention
novel fulcrum
like the book of judgement, which i'm pretty sure is claimed to entirely be the emperor's spoken word
and nobody mortal really remembers what the emperor's original intentions for humanity were
cloud kindle
good argument was with horus and malcador about removing all trace of the missing primarchs where horus in an angered state said that an empire ruled by humans would be, and malcador cut him off saying exactly as your father intended
novel fulcrum
just about everything they do in the modern day is a twisted view of his initial desires
summer niche
is malcador really dead?
cloud kindle
i believe so.
summer niche
; _ ;
novel fulcrum
as far as anyone in-universe or outside of it knows, yeah
cloud kindle
i think the golden throne is very much a spirit leeching machine
dim totem
But you can believe he's an eternal if you like that
novel fulcrum
gathered up the beginnings of the inquisition and then let his soulstuff be leeched by the golden throne so emps could confront horus in person
well yeah, it requires strong, constant psychic power to hold the eternity gate shut and to power the astronomicon
cloud kindle
so even if he was a perpetual the throne might have prevented his rebirth
dim totem
Perpetual that was the word I was looking for yes
novel fulcrum
yeah, i wouldn't consider death by golden throne to be a traditional death
cloud kindle
but still as a perpetual he should have remained in his prime
novel fulcrum
but we really only have the one example with no conclusive follow-up afaik, so we'll never really know if he's just warpstuff now, or if he's outright out of existence
cloud kindle
could potentially be the avatar of the astronomican?
novel fulcrum
there's always hope
summer niche
it's what he deserves
novel fulcrum
he was loyal to the end, sometimes emps just wouldn't listen
dim totem
Or his soul was slurped up by the warp 👏
summer niche
Or his soul was slurped up by the warp 👏
dim totem
He's with slaanesh now
cloud kindle
unsure a soul strong as malcadors would be easily consumed
novel fulcrum
well, afaik that's the 'standard' death
dim totem
Getting eternal bj's
novel fulcrum
your soul enters the realm of souls
novel fulcrum
turns out psychic might can take you real far
also puts into perspective how douchey a lot of the primarchs could be in their prime
cloud kindle
sec let me get the bideo by rho
novel fulcrum
most of 'em went anywhere from spitting in his direction to outright strangling him half to death
novel fulcrum
russ was cool though, pretty sure he considered him a beloved uncle
dim totem
Uncle mal
cloud kindle
i know sanguinius cared for him
novel fulcrum
russ is the main outlier, and probably vulkan
dim totem
Keeping your drunk dad in line
novel fulcrum
and of course the fabulous hawkboy
cloud kindle
and the khan buried the hatchet with him just before the siege of terra
novel fulcrum
but vulkan and sanguinius are pretty much no-brainers, of course they were cool and excellent dudes
cloud kindle
dorn prob did
novel fulcrum
maybe
novel fulcrum
could've been too busy seeing flaws in himself to really point out flaws in others
or was the darkness a purely post-heresy thing? i'm not sure on that
summer niche
gulliman was bound to like malcador right?
cloud kindle
was that the flaw in one of the sons of dorn chapters right?
summer niche
also isn't sigillite just the coolest title
novel fulcrum
guilliman was pretty similar to malcador as far as their views on the emperor were, so they probably were respectful
and i think that flaw hits pretty much all of dorn's genestock
novel fulcrum
nah, it's not nearly as bad afaik
cloud kindle
yeah not as bad
but can still permanently debilitate some astartes i believe if they cant recover
novel fulcrum
you're not lost forever if you get it, it's just kinda something that comes and goes with being a son of dorn, what with hating yourself and retreating inward on yourself for long periods of time and whatnot
cloud kindle
cause by dorn seeing big es broken body
summer niche
grief is powerful
novel fulcrum
grief and shame
storm jungle
Wait, the Fists have a gene-weakness?
novel fulcrum
yeah, dorn's darkness
storm jungle
wow
novel fulcrum
it doesn't get a whole lot of screentime, but it's there
storm jungle
sounds as bland as dorn's home planet lol
summer niche
through the GENES
storm jungle
ngl the "Darkness" sounds like some shit GW writers made up on spot
novel fulcrum
it definitely hits the imperial fists proper, so i'm pretty sure it's all of 'em
storm jungle
"uhh shit we gotta make a gene-weakness for him and we did all the questionably cool ones"
cloud kindle
Dorn's Darkness is a genetic deficiency suffered by the Astartes of the Excoriators Space Marine Chapter, a Successor Chapter of the Imperial Fists.
sauce is Legion of the Damned (Novel) by Rob Sanders
storm jungle
cloud kindle
i can only find it affects the excoriators
novel fulcrum
huh, guess i misremembered
novel fulcrum
although the imperial fists' genestock in general does have a general defect of a missing betcher's gland (the acid spitty one) and sus-an membrane (the 'holy shit this space marine survived after floating through space in an exposed vacuum for 500 years' one)
novel fulcrum
nah, but neither are the imperial fists, generally speaking
cloud kindle
id like to imagine that some xeno race finally captures a space marine and as they try to extract information
hey catch
novel fulcrum
it's commendable, but it's not as though it's a particularly charismatic quality
summer niche
i think i just like it cause i'm a follower myself Zalgo
novel fulcrum
i can respect the fists for sure
to be quite honest i guess i dunno what i'd follow the absolute most myself, i feel like i'd have to be in those shoes in some way to test the individual waters
the blood angels are pretty diverse as far as all of their successors go, and i think that's pretty neat, but my one and only try at some kind of custom chapter fluff actually ended up coming out of ultramarine stock
novel fulcrum
oh no, i was in a particularly edgy phase at that point, so they didn't follow daddy dearest
summer niche
Ohh ok i misread it
i read that they all ended up being ultramarines in the end
alright i get ya
novel fulcrum
ah, nah, they started as ultramarines
the basic concept was that after the first tyrannic war, some of the veterans from that conflict saw no true hope in fighting off a threat of that scale, they saw the truth of the matter; the galaxy was already in their colossal maw, and all they could do was fly from within before it bit down around them
summer niche
yeah that's pretty edgy lmao
novel fulcrum
so, they deserted and stripped their armor of defining features, favoring a jet black similar to what you'd find on the deathwatch, but no chapter livery, no clear ranking structure, nothing of the sort
there's a navigator house on terra whose name eludes me, but they had an ancestor that was on this long quest to chart a warp lane out of the galaxy and into a new one entirely, and the fate of that ancestor is unknown to their descendents, so they go picking around looking for clues as to whether they may have succeeded so as to monopolize on being the only house to have intergalactic travel, and so these newly christened Void Pilgrims would forge a pact with them: their house's aid and silence on the matter of their continued existence and operations, in exchange for their help in searching for clues in places where a mere navigator house and traditional troops could not hope to last long enough to find anything of use
the end goal essentially being the discovery of some such warp lane into a new galaxy from which they can potentially escape the threat of the tyranids, and the subsequent facilitation of a mass exodus of all imperial forces and people they can convince into that galaxy after some preliminary scouting
novel fulcrum
oh, the ones that unknowingly participate in a tzeentchian ritual every so often?
cloud kindle
i thought it was khorne
novel fulcrum
you'd think khorne, what with all the blood, but i'm pretty sure it was engineered by tzeentch
cloud kindle
that shit squid tzeentch again
novel fulcrum
i could be thinking of another blood angels successor
i'm not seeing the info i remember with them
cloud kindle
bascially committing slaughter greater than the flesh tearers and said hey if you move against us we will go cry to the inquisition about our bloodline
novel fulcrum
yeah, i was thinking of the blood drinkers, who have an extremely similar situation to the angels vermillion
instead of bathing in a whole bunch of blood, they just kinda partake in drinking a somewhat smaller amount of blood, and in exchange for getting less gene flaw manifestations, the ones that do manifest the black rage end up seeing kairos instead of sanguinius, who tempts them to join chaos
and apparently if anyone that receives the offer even considers the offer itself for a moment, the entire chapter is doomed, and there just haven't been any takers yet
cloud kindle
only one serf is sacrificed though yes?