weren't meant to want me to kill u
#40k-lore-chat
odd sparrow
rotund siren
imagine not wanting to live
If you don't want to live, just get a will to live, duh (joking)
dim totem
I need a week off lol
final seal
If you don't want to live, just get a will to live, duh (joking)
i thought you get a will when you are dying
or pre-die
undie..
rotund siren
when you are a live
final seal
vernal belfry
I see that I missed some cosmic brain moments
primal tide
I need a week off lol
Bro same, I am so fuckin burnt out
dim totem
Bro same, I am so fuckin burnt out
yh
i was gonna take a week off like two months ago but then turned out my boss had corona and we all had to quarantine
thought i wasnt going to spend my week off maybe sick, so i just took it out again and worked from home all week
then they came up with this new thing where you have to plan about two months in advance
so now we here still no week off lol
primal tide
then they came up with this new thing where you have to plan about two months in...
Dude that's pretty fucked
dim totem
yh it's either that or finding people to replace you yourself
fuck that
ill just take my vacation the week one week after their current planning
the good thing is though, now the first quarter is over and i still have all my vacation days
in a few weeks ill be at home binging horror movies and theyll be dealing with the fallout of heading into a new financial quarter
vagrant osprey
My boss had Corona in december
Of course, I was the only one he gave it to.
I was out for two weeks. He was out for over a month, and the hospital staff was calling him "Lazarus" because they were pretty fucking sure he was going to die
ET, file a complaint with OSHA and the health department.
Responding to a confirmed case by forcing people to work in a contaminated environment will probably get agencies to give 'em the stink eye, and there's too many people who COULD have complained to finger you
summer niche
I can recommend nightwork
I do like 30 hours a week at most
👌
Get payed more than a 40 hour a week dayworker
summer niche
yh it's either that or finding people to replace you yourself
You have to find your own replacement? What the fuck lol
dim totem
You have to find your own replacement? What the fuck lol
You have to take x number of slots in the planning and if you're away someone else hs to do double shifts and take yours
Understaffed and all that bc of the pandemic
But if you plan your vacation before they can make a schedule you can cheat it a bit
summer niche
Dang that's pretty fucked up, feels like that should be your bosses job
What's his function of not to make sure you're staffed lol
dim totem
Yh well I kind of understand it, it's social security for self employed ppl, say for example your boss
There's a lto of money flying around and mistakes should be kept to a minimum, it takes a looooong time to teach someone the legal mumbo jumbo
summer niche
You mean in some small mom and pops place?
dim totem
Those are the ones that show up the most bc they're the ones in trouble bc of the pandemic
summer niche
I work healthcare so people are extremely rarely selfd employed
So please excuse my lack of understanding in this
dim totem
I think once you got over x amount of employees you've probably got a decent bookkeeper so we don't hear from those companies much
It's certainly not the most interesting work to talk about but it's fun to stick your nose in people's businesses
dim totem
So collect taxes usually
But due to the pandemic, we start paying out, bc it's still social security
dim totem
I think it could be considering boring
But there's some aspects I really like
Wha do you do? In Healthcare I mean
dim totem
I'd drop a lot of those samples I think
summer niche
I also give out blood during nights since the bloodlab doesn't have night workers
summer niche
Yeah, can be stressful making sure people get the right blood
dim totem
Want some of my O-?
dim totem
I don't donate as much as I should
summer niche
I miss working in a lab
What kind of lab did you work?
dim totem
Get light headed
summer niche
Ahh rough, yeah it's fine. One shouldn't suffer for it
open marsh
What kind of lab did you work?
biomed research. working like rat models
summer niche
I can't donate at all, since my iron is permanently low lol
I do give plasma when I can though
open marsh
I can't donate at all, since my iron is permanently low lol
Well we know you arent an Iron Warrior. you do not have the Iron Within.
summer niche
biomed research. working like rat models
Yo, i did my project work on rats. We tested a medication against alcoholism, to see if the medication itself could cause addiction
open marsh
Yo, i did my project work on rats. We tested a medication against alcoholism, to...
Interesting. what meds?
Wanna share publications?
summer niche
I can barely remember, lemme see if I can find something, i never got publiziced myself cause i am not very good at writing.
But i can say the substance worked by binding very lightly to dopamine receptors
open marsh
I wasnt the project lead on the biggest thing I worked on. So I got a "valuable contributions" acknowledgement
summer niche
So when you had too much dopamine, it blocked the uptake of it
And when you have too low amounts, it increased levels of dopamin
The idea was to give alcoholics "normal" dopamin levels
open marsh
Sounds like ADHD meds
summer niche
Yeah could prob work for parkinson's patients too
It was a very neat substance, i just can't remember the name of it
open marsh
Im trying to think of what boosts dopemine production while also acting as an antagonizer
summer niche
Lmao my mentor became a politicians for the christian party, i can't find anything l on her research atm lma
dim totem
So question
summer niche
Yeah lol
dim totem
Often you read in the media like: scientists have made a breakthrough against disease A or B
And then you never hear from it again, what happens then?
Ok just pretend your biologist tech priests or something
summer niche
Science is slow sadly
They might have seen something, but it's hard to reproduce or they have to trial it for years
broken shell
The headline is either based on the results of a single study, which doesn't actually mean much, or it's something that's going to be in trials for years before getting approval
summer niche
Yeah
dim totem
I assume that I kind of just gets added to the encyclopedia, like now we know this or that might help, noted
summer niche
Gotta reproduce the results and they have to be true
cerulean wagon
And then you never hear from it again, what happens then?
just because its a breakthrough doesnt mean they 100% have it solved. theres some amazing stuff that does come of it thought
like the artificial womb experiments going on atm
dim totem
Right right, I just wonder what happens with what we learned from that
cerulean wagon
it gets put to use expanding our knowledge, or gets snuffed out by ethics, costs or rival scientists
research, especially medical, is heavily stilted in politics with regards to how it advances
theres a lot of money and opinions involved, such as the idea that we shouldnt play god and shouldnt snuff out diseases given the opportunity
cerulean wagon
mhmm
itd be nice if it was as simple as "i invented/discovered this"
but we live in a world where actual scientists are still trying to prove the world is flat, despite it being known the world isn't as of like ancient greece
summer niche
There is too much money and prestige
dim totem
Do they have anime fight scenes?
coarse mirage
I'm listening to The Emperor's Legion and this audio book is superb
The three voices are very good and the book itself is too
summer niche
Audio dramas are dope
vagrant osprey
Yo, i did my project work on rats. We tested a medication against alcoholism, to...
DID it cause addiction?
summer niche
not sure, i never tasted it myself
serene jungle
Don't forget to stay hydrated with water
vagrant osprey
Publish your documentation!
That seems like something fantastic for people with severe dopamine imbalance
Also, it may translate into chemicals for other neurotransmitters, giving it the potential to displace SSRIs
vagrant osprey
Shit, can you imagine if you found an analog which worked on bipolar?
vagrant osprey
Ah, fair.
prime kernel
cerulean wagon
frosty tulip
storm jungle
the voice of the narrator makes it worse
cerulean wagon
I think what always gets me about the like
"brighter 40k" things is that its never actualy an interesting universe at the end because nothing is happening
everything is resolved and theres nothing to do, it just exists for people to write eldar x tau fanfics
cerulean wagon
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
also the fact if they hate 40k so much as needing to rewrite everything to not be 40k why not just... find a different setting?
cerulean wagon
i wish it was just memes 
theres like, a section of the community that genuinely think all the races should just get along
storm jungle
why is that such a bad thing lmao
plucky moth
I am in an AU
cloud kindle
because the tau cant fight in melee
thats why
EXCEPT for farsight
he gets the rad lad pass
Australia is an AU
we dont care for the troubles of the realm outside our borders
cerulean wagon
why is that such a bad thing lmao
because everyone getting on unconditionally and working together perfectly removes a lot of the interesting conflicts
storm jungle
too bad
cerulean wagon
i dont mind things working together but within reason
storm jungle
plucky moth
you can just replace it with other interesting complications
cerulean wagon
fight me
plucky moth
like those you'd find in a slice of life anime
plucky moth
how will the humble astartes prepare for his university exam? find out in the next episode
cloud kindle
a tau water caste and a black templar find themselves stranded on a space hulk
what whacky shenanigans will they get up to?
cloud kindle
we all know how it ends
cerulean wagon
nothing happens because the warp is also now a manifestation of good "order" entities and tyranids arent evil anymore
cloud kindle
no
storm jungle
heh
vernal belfry
bug
storm jungle
vernal belfry
How many of those emotes do you have ? I feel like you could basically speak without using letters at this point
cloud kindle
storm jungle
How many of those emotes do you have ? I feel like you could basically speak wit...
Im in like 35 discord groups because of emojis
i dont go into any of them and in reality use like 3 of the groups to chat lol
cloud kindle
vernal belfry
Dilara, the great server lurker
dim totem
Don't you have to like pay to use emojis from other servers
vernal belfry
Yup, nitro
dim totem
Fuck that
cloud kindle
discord prime nitro
dim totem
Only emote you need
storm jungle
thats pretty much it
storm jungle
cloud kindle
storm jungle
cloud kindle
vernal belfry
cloud kindle
summer niche
cerulean wagon
cloud kindle
final seal
cloud kindle
final seal
cerulean wagon
cloud kindle
summer niche
I don't I've got my principles 
final seal
cnut?
cloud kindle
funny story with that one guy raged super hard and swore a shitload in dms in sea of thieves after we sunk him and took his treasure
so we spelled out a certain word with his loot and sent the picture his way
10/10
cloud kindle
yep lol
coarse mirage
<a:Korone_VeryConfused:724827080616968253>
Where's the yubi?!
cerulean wagon
coarse mirage
I don't wanna waste money on Discord
cloud kindle
a
coarse mirage
final seal
google survey pays my discord
cerulean wagon
final spruce
Why is there vtuber trash in the lore chat
cloud kindle
recovered archaeotech tapes
cerulean wagon
Interesting recent lore...
yeah theres constantly been hints of this consistently throughout the years
and the 2 responses are "haha grimderp tau" or "nooooo tau dont hurt people!!!"
like the comments in there complaining about tau being too round about and prefering this straight forward evil
also @atomic pelican obligator ping i guess
final spruce
I mean ive seen Proud complain about tau mindworm but it exists and I just read the excerp about the Raven guard shutting down his brain instead of being mindcontrolled
cerulean wagon
yeah
final spruce
Its the nagi
cloud kindle
even more reason to make blueberry smoothies
who was the raven guard
anyone important
?
final spruce
Not named
storm jungle
Yeah seems like grimderp to me
cloud kindle
bet the tau were like wtf when he did that
final spruce
Damn everything that doesnt make the tau look good is grimderp
cerulean wagon
tau have some grim stuff and then some stupidly grim stuff
final spruce
Ill do
cloud kindle
oh god not the jar
cerulean wagon
the steralisation thing is fine because its explained as only specific spheres doing it
i.e. jericho reach w/e that sept id called
the worm thing is weird cause its like
final spruce
Nah the mindworm moment is pretty important lorewise because its the moment Tau finally put the space marines in the same category as orks and tyranids, unnegociable and to shoot on sight to diminish firepower and moral
cerulean wagon
its happened once
i dont remember if it was a named tau
but people have clung to it as a general thing most tau do
cloud kindle
wait trying to find the jar meme with the custodes
cerulean wagon
which im unsure is true, seems more like a specific torture
final spruce
Just referenced as the interrogator
summer niche
Hue space marines are so amusingly spiteful, literally shutting his brain off
cloud kindle
some say his final words were "better dead than red"
summer niche
Sometimes it feels like stleast half of all crazy shit happening in 40k is due to pure spite
final spruce
Yes
Well in the space marine cases, they are literally hypnotised during all of their training an further to hate xenos
To the point their hate sustains even after jokning chaos
cloud kindle
barren tapir
I like how the tau have been portrayed in that excerpt... It make a lot more sense imo
coarse mirage
get wormed
rotund siren
Oh worm?
plucky moth
"so what was life like with the tau?"
"well I got worms"
vast frigate
I got a lore question for ya
Which primarch kisses the best.
Excluding fulgrim and sangui because thats a given.
vast frigate
I think the issue with leman would be that itd be the sloppiest kiss ever
vast frigate
Bnhehehe
coarse mirage
Oh worm?
The Tau have sentient, psychic worms as one of their lesser races in the Tau'va
rotund siren
;-;
odd sparrow
Give me nicassar models or give me death
if they're gonna give tau a psyker then like
do it
rotund siren
:/
cerulean wagon
i kid, got bothing against tau stuff just think ig/eldar need a touch up first
prefferably eldar tbh
barren tapir
It seems to me that they are going against psychic stuff with the tau
rotund siren
woah what is this?
rotund siren
neat
rotund siren
;-;
storm jungle
still loyal i think?
final seal
nm just read xD
storm jungle
lmao yeah it is a bit weird
cerulean wagon
Neat note with this is that in theory it can be done, and in fact i believe has been tested in lore
But usualy due to the massive, beastial nature of the hive mind most minds are crushed
storm jungle
Yeee the hivemind is too annoying to listen to before your head explodes
which is a bad thing since you, you know; die
final seal
things your will hear "hungryhungryhungryhungryhungryhungryhungryhungryhungryhungry"
coarse mirage
It's one never-ending REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
vast frigate
Hmmm yes yes
i will now objectively look at which primarch has the best kissing potentional
no horny here]
final seal
gaunt vector
that's ork for "bonk" btw
storm jungle
i will now objectively look at which primarch has the best kissing potentional
My vote
peak hamlet
Hell yeah
kind dove
Didn’t the Ad Mech essentially do that in one of the Caiphas Cain books? Turn the nids against each other?
They were from two separate hive fleets
peak hamlet
Didn’t the Ad Mech essentially do that in one of the Caiphas Cain books? Turn th...
Huh? How is that supposed to work?
peak hamlet
They were from two separate hive fleets
Oh yeah that makes sense
But it would just create a hive fleet which is as powerfull as both
kind dove
They thawed out some other nids, somehow Admeched a synapse creature to attack the other nids if I remember
Oh they used a psyker connected to a synapse creature I think
peak hamlet
That would kill the psyker instantly lol
kind dove
Probably lore plot armor why it didn’t instantly kill her
peak hamlet
But yeah thats just gw lore writing i guess
cerulean wagon
it wasnt connected to the hive mind
peak hamlet
Probably lore plot armor why it didn’t instantly kill her
Psychic plot armor
peak hamlet
it wasnt connected to the hive mind
How that?
cerulean wagon
the planet was under attack by nids, but it had another hive fleet burried under ice
so they thawed them out and the 2 fleets fought
kind dove
Do separate fleets have separate hive minds? Or do they all answer to one?
cerulean wagon
Each splinter has a seperate hive mind
it used to be a single mind under behemoth
peak hamlet
Huh
kind dove
Like why didn’t the other fleet “overwrite” the other
peak hamlet
Each splinter has a seperate hive mind
Since when?
cerulean wagon
but after behemoth was destroyed the fleets split from that and have their own hive
Since the first war against nids, which was the 2nd war for ultramar iirc?
macragge not ultramar
storm jungle
Nids can always eat other hive fleets
it makes no difference since they just copy the attributes of the ones they nom
cerulean wagon
The important thing about that bit of lore actualy
storm jungle
its a win win
cerulean wagon
is the nids in the ice predate any records of nid contact in the galaxy
kind dove
Should that scenario with turning nids on each other using a psyker/admech magic work?
cerulean wagon
which lends to the theory with regards to things like fenrisian krakens being a nid derivitive
cerulean wagon
Should that scenario with turning nids on each other using a psyker/admech magic...
you'd need a lot of very powerful psykers or some kind of null tech but theoretically yes
crisp heath
Is there a significant case of nids vs chaos?
peak hamlet
Wiki sais only 1 hive mind
cerulean wagon
nids eat everything, chaos dont want to be eaten
peak hamlet
Do you confuse it with norn queen maybe?
kind dove
We need a “And now you know” 40K version gif
I’d use it constantly
Cuz I’m learning in red over here
gaunt vector
We need a “And now you know” 40K version gif
"Report yourself to the nearest Inquisitor"
cerulean wagon
Wiki sais only 1 hive mind
the wiki is outdated and terribly kept
its pretty common for nids to fight eachother
kind dove
And now youz kno! *storm boy billowing smoke pans across and screen and slams into wall
peak hamlet
I mean name me a different source
barren tapir
There is an hive mind that go around nomming other nids...
peak hamlet
Just the fact that its outdated doesn't prove your point
barren tapir
And there is also a hive fleet that target specifically chaos
peak hamlet
Although it would make sense
kind dove
This but 40K
gaunt vector
the star is trailing warpfire
cerulean wagon
There is an hive mind that go around nomming other nids...
you got a source for that cause i cnat think of the name off the top of my head
gaunt vector
the great rift is in the background
barren tapir
Ah, wait, no, kronos isn't the one that noms other nids, give me a sec
I just misread the question
crisp heath
Kronos fights chaos.
kind dove
Is it Kraken?
crisp heath
Specifically evolved to do so.
peak hamlet
Huh
barren tapir
Yeah, kronos fight chaos, and i misread the Skeleton question
cerulean wagon
haha fair
peak hamlet
<@!598076731039023104> there you go
There i go what
cerulean wagon
i asked imperial but he misread
peak hamlet
Pinged the wrong person maybe
cerulean wagon
he had a source but for the wrong hive fleet haha
crisp heath
As far as I am seeing, synapse creatures keep tyranids from eating eachother.
vast frigate
The list is done
kind dove
It’s kinda scrounging up remnants of leviathan and other fleets
vast frigate
My vote
Horus Lupercal: He is a simple man, more down to humanity than the rest of his brothers, so im assuming he's just above average. 6/10 just nice.
Leman Rus: Wolfman, big wolfman. The canix genes gave him the wolf teeth and the smelling capability of a dog, so im assuming the same goes for some of his other traits. 7/10 good boy, too much slobber.
Ferrus Manus: An artisan would put much care and time in his craft, and thus leave less time for his more humane concerns, including relationships like this. However, as he is Fulgrim's best bro, he probably was learnt a few things. 7/10 crush my chest with those daddy arms.
Fulgrim: We know who and what this is. This man can smooch. 9/10 keep your slaaneshi stuff at home please, kissing is holy.
**Vulkan **: Vulkan is a sensitive and strong, caring man, i assume his kissing reflects this. Therefore, it can only be good, as he too is an artisan, but with more humanity. 8/10 dont cook me pls.
Rogal Dorn: Rogal is swift, to the case, stuck up as can be, i mean, this man gives you a pec or a smooch, not much more. 7/10 i want my builder kisses.
Roboute Guilliman: Roboute is a astound tactician and politician, therefore his kisses can only be sad. 6/10 i am being sincere.
Magnus The Red: Magnus studied, a lot. There has bound to be a time where he decided he wanted to read up on mating practices between humans. At least, i hope so. 7/10 give me my red man.
cerulean wagon
thats still 2 fleets eating eachother
vast frigate
Sanguinius: 10/10. I'll be murdered if i dont.
Lion El'Jonson: The Lion, a smart but somewhat secretive man, we know little around his personal let alone his private. He has luscious locks and good looks, i'm sure he had some in his time. 8/10 not my type though.
Perturabo of Olympia: Perty is grumpy, annoyed all the time, salty. This man can kiss, you can't deny it. 7/10 we don't know for sure if he ever got smash.
Mortarion: Farmer's boy, warrior, Nurglite. I mean, he possibly could kiss back in the time before the accident that is worshiping nurgle. 7/10 and 0/10, depending on when.
Lorgar Aurelion: Lorgar, priest, holy man. This lad can kiss or he can't, it depends on how much the stuff mirrored his world from ours, and how bad it did so. 3/10 baldy needs to chose better tattoo's.
Jaghatai Khan: A man of culture, literally, if its based on what it seems like, he will kiss your neck. Which is sweet. 4/10 i don't really like topknots.
Konrad Curze: This dude, you know him. If you break the kiss too early he will flay your lips, if you break it too late he will flay your tongue. Literally no winning situation. Though i suppose because he never even thought of it, i'm sure he can't kiss that well. 3/10 don't come to my house, batman.
**Angron Thral'kr **: Listen i am too horny for this man, 20/10, he will choke you regardless.
Corvus Corax: Walking Edgar Allen Poe, i'm not sure, but he seems to be dedicated to his work, considering the murderfuck he's providing the warp with by going after Lorgar. Probably pretty good at it just because of his humanitarian side. 7/10 can't be sure.
Alpharius Omegon: Twins. What else can i say? Triple kiss? Double Hug? 8/10 let's go visit the people with the name that is always the same.
storm jungle
Goddamn
cerulean wagon
and considering they would fight back that suggests individual fleets have separate hive minds
peak hamlet
I think thats just bad writing from gw
cerulean wagon
crisp heath
Well, we need a reason for tyranid players fighting eachother.
barren tapir
haha fair
Found out, it is hive fleet hydra, that is hunting other nids, warhammer40K 8th edition rulebook, pag 137... I take this from lex, but i can try to verify that myself
crisp heath
Has there been a story of a GSC fighting against the tyranids when they arrive?
barren tapir
Aaaand i was late
crisp heath
Like, they realize how shit it really is and attempt to survive.
kind dove
I think they willingly go to the slaughter
cerulean wagon
Like, they realize how shit it really is and attempt to survive.
they cant cause its a mind control implant that makes them GSC
barren tapir
and considering they would fight back that suggests individual fleets have separ...
Not really, it can be a test to see which bioform behave better...
crisp heath
Damn. GSC really get it bad.
barren tapir
Has there been a story of a GSC fighting against the tyranids when they arrive?
Not AFAIK, but there is a story about GSC not being nommed by the nids once they arrive
peak hamlet
Has there been a story of a GSC fighting against the tyranids when they arrive?
Yeah because they arent as badly mind controlled and don't want to be eaten once they realize the nids won't spare them
crisp heath
Not AFAIK, but there is a story about GSC not being nommed by the nids once they...
What's that one?
barren tapir
Give me a sec, i read that quite some time ago
peak hamlet
Yeah the nids fight with them but once the imperial opressors are killed they turn on the gsc
That happens most of the time iirc
crisp heath
Honestly, I would like to see a story where a GSC fights against the tyranids when they arrive. Maybe the Patriarch gets killed by a rogue factor as the fleet arrives and the cult stages a last stand?
crisp heath
Intriguing.
barren tapir
Honestly, I would like to see a story where a GSC fights against the tyranids wh...
There are cults that had their patriarch killed, but not all of its cultist slain... It seems they can fare quite well anyway
So who know... It seems that GSC are getting more and more personality the more they mix with humans and are left alone for long periods of time by the nids
kind dove
I figured they’d be so much biomass snacks
Unless the hive fleet needs them to go infect more planets maybe? That’s why they spare them?
crisp heath
That is probably why.
barren tapir
One thing for sure is that GSC will try to defend their world from any other invader
kind dove
Sunk cost rationale?
Like why eat them, we already converted them and they are still useful
crisp heath
Probably a case-by-case basis.
atomic pelican
god I wish discord mobile had the mentions button
Getting pinged 500 messages up is pain
rotund siren
yeah
plucky moth
actually yes
atomic pelican
LUL
rotund siren
cerulean wagon
god I wish discord mobile had the *mentions* button
hit search in the top right, type Mentions:
and you can get any mentions of yourself by typing your name
atomic pelican
Pog
cerulean wagon
basically
new dumb simplified tau lore
because them being discreet meant nobody got the issue
so now they just genocide
atomic pelican
Yeah that sums it up
Phil Kelly really putting them thru the grimderp machine
My complaints abt their recent lore isnt rlly them getting darker. Since their earlier fluff had hints of the neat stuff. Its moreso "URR?? YOU NO FIT GREATER GOOD??" Xenocides which make like
0% sense
Blue imperium ahoy
rotund siren
:/
atomic pelican
I dont remember but theres a excerpt from one of the recent Psychic Awakeking stories where a tau says some stupid shit like that
Its whack
rotund siren
that is dumb
atomic pelican
Its why purple>blue now
atomic pelican
P much
rotund siren
ew
atomic pelican
Its also that them being on the backfoot fit them. And made the earlier empire more dark on its own
Now theyre straight up invading into imperial space which is wew
rotund siren
;-;
storm jungle
I dont remember but theres a excerpt from one of the recent Psychic Awakeking st...
Wasnt it where they kill some gue'vesa
"NO NO WE'RE YOUR FRIENDS"
"No."
atomic pelican
YEAH
atomic pelican
The aunva one was hilarious, thisbone not so much
final spruce
I always saw the Taus as actually pretty patient people
Until they last resort and then they dont give a fuck
coarse mirage
My complaints abt their recent lore isnt rlly them getting darker. Since their e...
Aren't their genocides more about killing psykers now?
atomic pelican
Yeah I mean, individually theyre still okay I guess. But the same could be eaid abt guardsman
Nah they jus
Straight up murder auxillaries in the 4th sphere
final spruce
Nah Guardsmen are in the machine that is the Imperium
barren tapir
That part was from the 4th sphere, and yes, the tau said that humans corrupted the greater good and so they get shoot on sight
final spruce
Dont forget the commissar vlam jokes
atomic pelican
Aaa
coarse mirage
Straight up murder auxillaries in the 4th sphere
I think it was a total panic reaction, they didn't know what anything was or what had happened, just that their auxiliaries were the prefered prey and in their eyes responsible.
barren tapir
The new lore, the one that i shared, and that Skeleton pinged Aun'va is solid, and i will die on that rock
atomic pelican
Oh no dude its rlly bad
final spruce
I havent seen suicidal drifting Hellhound memes though
coarse mirage
Remember these Tau just had their first taste of warp
coarse mirage
I've been trying to find that book actually
coarse mirage
They did unprotected warp travel. I reckon that did most of it.
barren tapir
I read the psychic awakening... I liked it, i admit it could have been developed better, but it is also solid
coarse mirage
And the Tau seem to be rather vehemently unspiritual, even revolted by religion.
So I guess their reaction was so extreme as a result
barren tapir
The thing is tau fans need to understand that their race will change, and stop complaining excessively about their faction being grimderped, which is a reasonable worry, but they bring it to the extreme
barren tapir
Also there were hint of xenophobic tau even before the 4th sphere
barren tapir
You mean about models?
storm jungle
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/03/psychic-awakening-in-harmony-rest...
"Harmony Restored"
"We did it aunva, we saved the day!"
atomic pelican
No abt the ultramar lifespan
atomic pelican
"Harmony Restored"
pain
coarse mirage
What gets me is how the Tau have allowed the humans to have their faith in the Greater Good to begin with
final spruce
15h
coarse mirage
It was obviously not good
atomic pelican
Guard fans will see shitty tau lore and praise it, as they already habe a hateboner for them
oh 15 hours
Lul
coarse mirage
and it's not like the Ethereals didn't know what belief does
barren tapir
Ah, the 30 years average life expectancy, that is simply ignorant writing
final spruce
Because if you wanna laugh at old mini complaining then the eldars are in the same bag
atomic pelican
Yee
atomic pelican
No truth, its new writing and guard fans need to stop complaining about new lore
😩
storm jungle
Craftworlds sucks
atomic pelican
Rip craftworlds
barren tapir
No truth, its new writing and guard fans need to stop complaining about new lore
Yeah, lore from a comic... While the thing is from their codex iirc... Sure, they are on the same level indeed
crisp heath
I suppse guard fans need to stop whining abt LUL 30 years then too
what
final spruce
No truth, its new writing and guard fans need to stop complaining about new lore
Literally the guard i see complaining here are either about krieg and gw removing all the other regiments
crisp heath
ah...
coarse mirage
Yeah I know
Reading this exceprt I think Iv'e seen it before. The human fire teams just get backstabbed, right?
atomic pelican
Yep
barren tapir
While the concept is good, it is badly written
storm jungle
- 40k in a nutshell
barren tapir
They idea of tau having to find explanation to what they saw is an interesting topi, but not well written imo...
That is also without taking in consideration warp influence, which we know can happen to tau too
vast frigate
oh i hate 1d4 chan so much
''According to the Gaunt's Ghosts series the lasgun has an appreciable amount of recoil, which is fucking stupid. The entire point of why a handheld laser weapon is that there would be next to no recoil, because you aren't firing a physical projectile, which makes it easier to use.'';
The entire idea of a handheld laser weapon is that its a FUCKING HANDHELD LASER WEAPON
cerulean wagon
lmao
atomic pelican
Haha laser go pew
vast frigate
Hm?
barren tapir
it completely depends on what its powered by you CRETIN
Could you expand on this?
vast frigate
okay so
as we know, recoil in guns is the force of the chemical reaction
However, lasguns have so many different pattern, some even require an additional filter in the housing so it can turn nearby gasses into laser acelerant, acting more like the Dune lasgun
Some lasguns even simulate recoil, this is a togleable option, for regiments that primarily use autoguns
As we know gasses can enhance a laser's potetional and lasers ionize the air they touch, the gun could be kicked up due to the fact that the laser blasts forward, the air ionizes in the barrel and the vent, which is at the bottom of the barrel break, kicks the heat/gas down
Now whether this kicks like a mule or only lightly taps, we dont know
but we do know even lasguns have machine spirits that can act like cunts, and they can cause recoil
so it doesnt fucking matter, lasguns can have recoil you asswipe
cerulean wagon
basically it depends on the gun you have, but as with all things 40k a single book mentions it being one way so it always has to be that way now
see: 15 hours was a specific case wehre the war was so fierce life expectancy was short
cerulean wagon
but thats now the average applied to all battles because its the first time we had a number put too it
barren tapir
Nah, not a debate, i asked Elyksis to expand on one of his affirmation
barren tapir
Shouldn't a debate have two parts that try to convince the other that they are wrong?
vast frigate
nah its fine ratty
oh btgw
i love these posts
im compiling a massive meme btw
storm jungle
🧠
atomic pelican
AGHNJ
vast frigate
i love the meme posts between all the salt man
cerulean wagon
wait
atomic pelican
retconning a ogor mawtribe into 40k
rotund siren
broken shell
"White Scar chick"
atomic pelican
REALLY good meme
rotund siren
????????????
cerulean wagon
under a differetn name
atomic pelican
LUL
storm jungle
"White Scar chick"
the only asians in 40k are the white scars you didnt know?
atomic pelican
I hope that legend is here.
rotund siren
Asian people were created so GW could sell more Space Marines, I guess
barren tapir
Or the attilans
cerulean wagon
@scenic bolt idk if you're still alive but we're discussing your post
vast frigate
ive already got like, 18 images in this meme
gaunt vector
Asian people were created so GW could sell more Space Marines, I guess
I came bacc in to the server and saw this with no context what is happening here?
vast frigate
thats not including the text people posted
rotund siren
@gaunt vector
weak nova
storm jungle
I came bacc in to the server and saw this with no context what is happening here...
Some dude on the steam forums called the priestess a "white scar chick"
gaunt vector
<@!393118718961385484>
ah ty
storm jungle
because apparently thats the only asian people in 40k
gaunt vector
Some dude on the steam forums called the priestess a "white scar chick"
knowledge of your own specise: 100
cerulean wagon
damn, you calling someone just to roast them?
na its a shitpost he made
hes not actually asking for this stuff
rotund siren
WHAT
cerulean wagon
barren tapir
He is clearly making fun of the braindead on steam forums
rotund siren
Where is the image
gaunt vector
blessed is the mind too small to... nevermind this guy is a brainlet
broken shell
Yeah I suspect it's not serious.... I hope
vast frigate
rotund siren
fucking
cerulean wagon
its not, dont worry
vast frigate
even the devs commented on how perfectly structured the argument replicates the rest of the forum
rotund siren
weak nova
I need an excedrin
vast frigate
listen mate i have a cut down the entire length of my calf, its the size of a finger wide
i need more salt to cover this wound
cerulean wagon
I need an excedrin
whats up lmao
vast frigate
i could not have posted that at a worse second
cerulean wagon
lol
open marsh
I mean. It did change things. The Tau who saw that thing went full "Purge the Xenos! Burn the Witch!"
median sundial
Everyone has the thought of what would happen if the Emperor came back but recently having the Caretaker's Everywhere at the End of Time on my mind I came up with something of a horror story. Basically he comes back in the same state as he was right before his fight with Horus and takes the charge to clear out the galaxy, and possibly takes it upon himself to clear up the superstition and shit. But over the course of a few years he falls victim to Dementia. One by one over the slow course if time his memories fade away; his sons, his childhood, his victories, everything; and this starts to cause him panic. Losing grip on his psychic powers as well as his memories, he starts to uncontrollably broadcasting his mental state to everyone around him. Every sentient being within his radius abruptly forget their memories and are consumed with confused fear, everything from what god they worship to everyone they know. Eventually this gets to a point that Roboute is forced to put the poor old guy. The Emporer's last moments aren't on a charred battlefield, or in the warp battling the Chaos Gods. Instead he's devastated by emotional stress as he tries to remember who stands in his presence with a psychic barrier around him, a cavalcade of emotions on his face, and a giant sword raised to put him down like a dog.
vast frigate
Just 1 issue right, that would never happen to the emperor
its an interesting concept but yeah
median sundial
Could happen to other psykers though, just at a vastly smaller scale.
cloud kindle
nah i see it as the throne failing and creating the eye of terra with the emperor becoming the chaos god of order
then the end time war begins
scenic bolt
<@!172864058800865280> idk if you're still alive but we're discussing your post
It's late response but I figured the keypress line'd key people in to the fact that this wasn't a wah women, wah no (insert my favorite faction here) post
open marsh
nah i see it as the throne failing and creating the eye of terra with the empero...
Yeah. right after the Tau are removed. The Eldar fully reunite and restart the Aeldari empire. and Slaanesh is destroyed.
and any other list of things that fans theorize but wont happen
cloud kindle
i do approve of the first
open marsh
It wont happen. They have been around since 3e and are a popular army. And they serve the purpose of attracting scifi fans who might otherwise ignore 40k (its how I got into 40k)
atomic pelican
Nah nuclear theyre gonna squat everyone except space marines and ig
storm jungle
Jokes aside thats true
its gonna be everyone vs Marines
Avengers End Game stuff
cloud kindle
you cant hold against the super primaris
vagrant osprey
There's no Skaven in 40k because GW realized they'd just be more Imperium. Change my mind
open marsh
bap
weak fern
Skaven are not a Hrud version in 40k ?
vagrant osprey
Stryixes are more like dogs, though. They're also merchants, and not drug addicts.
open marsh
Stryixes are more like dogs, though. They're also merchants, and not drug addict...
More like Naked Mole Rats
crisp heath
Hrud used to just be 40k skaven, but newer lore revamped them.
weak fern
Thanks Rogue Trader
open marsh
We also have lizardmen in 40k, if GW would stop being cowards and use them
open marsh
vagrant osprey
They keep trying to make WF and 40K distinct, but that kinda doesn't even matter?
vagrant osprey
I mean, literally who cares about cross-pollenation?
Even if they're different universes, you can canonically get anywhere through the warp. Even alternate universes.
weak fern
WH are into the Webway
limpid hedge
It doesn’t even need to be that complicated
WF could literally just be a random feudal world
weak fern
In french version, Magnus see the Old World when he was in the Webway
vagrant osprey
Through careful analysis, I determined that the most likely place for WF to be set is inside the central nexus of the Webway.
limpid hedge
Why?
vagrant osprey
That explains how daemons can be stable without a host, but also banishable.
weak fern
No
vagrant osprey
Then Daemons could not be stable while present.
vagrant osprey
Summoning daemons is easy in WF.
weak fern
I'm more with Pseudo
vagrant osprey
I mean, compared to 40k
Also, the presence of the polar gates, which are described as being guarded by CSM
limpid hedge
It could happen
vagrant osprey
Seems that way.
storm jungle
Archaon is kill?
weak fern
But if he die in Webway, he cannot be ressurected by Chaos Gods ?
limpid hedge
Chosen are just beefy marauders
storm jungle
They. Dont. Take. Place. In. The. Same. Universe.
weak fern
Shut up SylvAss è_é
storm jungle
No u
vagrant osprey
Yes, GW has said that, Dilara.
weak fern
Counter Uno
vagrant osprey
But they could have
weak fern
And Archaos is not a Chosen
limpid hedge
Counter Uno
What the hell is a counter Uno?
weak fern
Is the Omnifion
limpid hedge
It’s reverse
hallow apex
Still working my way through this
cerulean wagon
nice
open marsh
Am I the only one who noticed/appreciates the detail of the sergeant's lascarbine's sight being designed to look like a mini arched window? Like you would see on a castle or church?
storm jungle
also one of the levels had arched ground-toilets
vagrant osprey
Reminder: The Aeon of Strife was worse on almost everybody else than it was on Humanity.
storm jungle
if that isnt attention idk what is
vagrant osprey
Except for the Tau, who didn't exist for it, and the Orks, who had TONS of fun fighting random daemons popping into existence.
So it's kinda fine that humanity is basically fighting its wars with farming tools and construction equipment :V
vagrant osprey
Lasguns were a varmint rifle for homesteaders.
cerulean wagon
vagrant osprey
The Imperium has them because they weren't military equipment, so basically every planet could make them.
The Aeon of Strife is the period of time marked by the fall of humanity through to the end of the Unification Wars.
storm jungle
What is the aeon of strife
We are in Age of Terra
And its Age of Strife.
That is when humanity is going full star trek
vagrant osprey
Right, sorry.
cerulean wagon
pseudo what gave u the idea is basically a farm gun
crisp heath
O word
vagrant osprey
There are a few things.
cerulean wagon
extrapolation from what? memes about it being a flashlight?
vagrant osprey
No.
The fact that it was produced everywhere, meaning it had universal demand. That's not something you have for military equipment, since it's a supply chain vulnerability.
cerulean wagon
it is when you have a galaxy spanning army
vagrant osprey
Yeah, we can get military surplus, but it's coming out of their supply channel, not a groundswell of it.
cerulean wagon
you kinda have to supply it in all locations
vagrant osprey
That's not how logistics works.
green sedge
No no, he means that its universal availability indicates that it used to not be considered military equipment, which checks out with the fact that actual DAoT military equipment blows it out of the water.
vagrant osprey
You need to be able to get it to all locations, which is a transportation issue. Once you're transporting, there's a linear cost for distance.
The fact that it's produced EVERYWHERE means it wasn't worth shipping
Then there's the logistics of rearming it, which explicitly requires power infrastructure.
You can charge it in a campfire, sure, but we see that done as a result of people being completely cut off from supplies. You can't really air-drop power.
green sedge
And fire charging degrades the packs, so it's obviously not the intended method.
But I think the best support for the idea that it was a civilian issue device is just the fact that stuff like volkite was used for actual military forces, and even light DAoT-based armors basically ignore las-fire as depicted in multiple Heresy books where the whole point was that space marines were needed because lasguns literally couldn't do anything to certain human-descendant enemies.
Whereas it's excellent against unarmored targets. Like wildlife.
cerulean wagon
Then there's the logistics of rearming it, which explicitly requires power infra...
it can also be plugged into any vehicle
infact logistics wise its better than any known weapon
vagrant osprey
Or civilians.
cerulean wagon
its not like making new bullets is easy
you dont do that in the trenches lmao
nor do you harvest elements for volkite/plasma munitions
green sedge
It can be plugged into a select few vehicles, and actually making new bullets is so easy that you can do it in the lines behind the trenches if you have to.
cerulean wagon
but your not going to want to because thats a supply risk
vagrant osprey
Would you like a primer on bullet production? It's actually pretty easy to do in the field with simple equipment.
open marsh
Im late to this convo. Whats going on? I heard something about military logistics.
Im ex-Army (U.S.) so I can help
green sedge
Pseudo thinks the lasgun was probably a farm rifle for civilian colonists in the DAoT.
I'm inclined to agree. DAoT military hardware is leagues above lasguns.
open marsh
Pseudo thinks the lasgun was probably a farm rifle for civilian colonists in the...
We already know that is wrong, since the Van Saar (who are remnants of DAoT humanity with a mostly functional STC) use lasguns as their standard issue for their gangers.
vagrant osprey
Van Saar is explicitly trying to keep their STC secret.
green sedge
The Van Saar having them actually supports them being civilian issue.
open marsh
Yes, but they still kit their gangers out with DAoT tech. such as the hardlight shields and hoverboards
open marsh
The Van Saar having them actually supports them being civilian issue.
If that were the case, then grav guns, plasma cannons, multi-meltas, etc. woul all be civilian issue
green sedge
Other civilian issue kit, is the point. They don't have, say, volkite.
open marsh
Other civilian issue kit, is the point. They don't have, say, volkite.
Volkite was developed after the DAoT. during the Age of Strife
vagrant osprey
Actually, the Van Saar was a colony ship. It probably WAS mostly farming equipment.
green sedge
That's like claiming that since a pistol is available to civilians, a rocket launcher is too...
open marsh
Actually, the Van Saar was a colony ship. It probably WAS mostly farming equipme...
Remmeber that colony ships were given STCs for anything they might need. That included military equipment for defense (or conqouring)
From what we have seen. A soldier in a human army in the DAoT wouldnt have been kitted out too differently than one seen in 40k.
green sedge
No no, they were given an STC, not the templates, but the actual problem solver inventor AI with a copy of the up to date library of inventions, with the idea being that they could create what they needed.
vagrant osprey
There's still the point that lasguns are only useful against soft targets, which kinda means they weren't intended for fighting military threats.
open marsh
The STC was given the sum total of human knowledge up to the moment it was created. But they were given the ability to innovate and alter their given blueprints to better suit any enviroment. Because when you are colonizing hundreds/thousands/millions of worlds. Its impossible to pre-make something that will fit all perimeters
open marsh
There's still the point that lasguns are only useful against soft targets, which...
They are useful against "soft" targets only in a relative sense.
green sedge
But I think his point is that the lasgun was issued a a baseline. Not that it wasn't issued to soldiers, but that it was also issued to, like, farmers.
That DAoT civilians probably had access to them
He's not saying militaries would never use them
open marsh
I can see DAoT civilians have access to them. Just like how civilians have access to military rifles IRL
green sedge
I think this is more like how civilians have access to hunting rifles, but yeah.
It's ubiquitous, and it's great.
vagrant osprey
Or how civilians have access to sidearms.
open marsh
I think the memes around lasguns have skewed too many people's idea of how effective they are in the lore. One reason they are the standard issue in the Imperium is that they are devestatingly effective against most things that the Imperial Guard fights.
green sedge
Chances are it was the baseline "varmint rifle" a DAoT colony would issue to people.
vagrant osprey
Yes, because MOST things the Imperial Guard fights are rebelling PDF.
It dumps enough energy to boil 1L of water into a target with every pull of a trigger.
open marsh
Do they struggle to bunch through power armour? Yes. Tho even in the DAoT, power armour was pretty rare.
Do they struggle to kill a Space marine? Yes. But Space Marines werent a thing in the DaoT.
^
storm jungle
Also important to remember as Medic is saying; imagine that shit getting fired at you by like 5 to 10 guys
If its just a single dude sure its probably eh in power
open marsh
I mean. a single shot from a lasgun will usually be more than enough to put you in the ground for good
vagrant osprey
Err... Power armor doesn't seem to be rare in DAoT.
open marsh
It really was. I can think of only 2 planets that still had it after the end of the DAoT
green sedge
Arguable. Sources are mixed there.
vagrant osprey
After the END of the DAoT? Fair.
green sedge
Many used technology that made PA a sidegrade.
open marsh
After the END of the DAoT? Fair.
If power armour were common, STC patterns for it would have popped up in more places
vagrant osprey
Aren't there lots of STC patterns for powered armor, but the high-grade Ceramite they use is a serious bottleneck?
crisp heath
I read in the guardsmens handbook that you can charge laspacks on a fire
not much but some non the less
vagrant osprey
There's like 5 different STCs just for Terminator armor.
green sedge
There are STC patterns for armor for humans. There's very little for Astartes because there weren't Astartes.
vagrant osprey
Also that
open marsh
And remember, power armour was cruder in the DAoT. Like the armour used by the Knights of Caliban. They were DAoT relics. And they were noted as being inferior in every way to MkII Astartes power armour.
This indicated that power armour was a newer creation towards the end of the DAoT. With Old Night happening before it could really be refined.
The Auritian technocracy had power armour comparible to Astartes power armour, but their STCs were still functional and had been iterating on Power armour designs since the end of the DAoT
vast frigate
What bothers me about the entire lasgun argument is firing in series still. Yes its hard to take out an armored target, but there are a Lot of lasguns. It adds up over the numbers
green sedge
But yes Cysaber you can charge them in fire but out degrades the pack
crisp heath
ye
vast frigate
It ruins their total charge value
sinful leaf
STC s were, from what I understand, sent to basically every single colony. Yet only a couple survived intact, so a particular stc being rare doesn't actually tell us much about that much about that thing being common or not.
vagrant osprey
@vast frigate That's kinda not a valid argument. Give me enough spearmen and I could overrun a modern FOB
open marsh
What bothers me about the entire lasgun argument is firing in series still. Yes ...
I see the complains similar to saying an assault rifle is weak because it cant disable a truck in a couple of shots
crisp heath
yes lasguns pew pew normal humans but enough lasguns on big boi and you will eventually hit weak spot
vast frigate
<@!648633110338207763> That's kinda not a valid argument. Give me enough spearme...
It is when the human strategy is numbers.
vast frigate
I see the complains similar to saying an assault rifle is weak because it cant d...
Turn it into a fucking cheese grate with 50 guns instead
vagrant osprey
There's also carapace armor, DAoT hardlight shields, void shields...
open marsh
Sure an anti-material rifle could tear right through that truck in 1 shot. Yes the anti-material rifle is absolutely more powerful than an assault rifle. But that does not mean the assault rifle is weak or shouldnt be used by the military
vast frigate
Exactly
open marsh
Turn it into a fucking cheese grate with 50 guns instead
Im speaking on the merits of an individual lasgun alone
vast frigate
Yeah i getcha
vast frigate
Still returning to number of soldiers used
vagrant osprey
Yeah, you can't argue these in scale because corpses are effective weapons in scale.
vast frigate
What?
green sedge
We're not arguing that the lasgun is weak. We're arguing that it's actually so effective that it was likely ubiquitous specifically because of how effective it'd be against 98% of what a lone colonist would need them for.
vast frigate
I know
green sedge
So ubiquitous that farmers would have them.
cerulean wagon
just because farmers could have them doesnt stop them being military tech
which is what pseudo is argueing
open marsh
We're not arguing that the lasgun is weak. We're arguing that it's actually so e...
I could see it being issued to colonists. Again, because the guys were headed into territory where there was no pre-existing military/security in place. So they would be kitted out to atleast military standard in order to quickly form a defense force that could handle a wide variety of threats in any enviroment the target world may have
green sedge
... no, by definition, it does.
You are incorrect on your definition of military tech.
cerulean wagon
does that mean the ar-15 isnt military
open marsh
The Van Saar are proof enough of that. They have kit equal to, or outright superior to, the Imperial Military.
cerulean wagon
cause americans can just buy guns
green sedge
It's not exclusively military, because it has become civilian accessible. Yes. That is what that means.
cerulean wagon
green sedge
You seem to misunderstand what's being argued.
cerulean wagon
the argument isnt military exclusive clock
the argument is hes saying the militay dont use lasguns
at all
green sedge
No it isn't.
cerulean wagon
it literaly was
open marsh
tl;dr
Lasgun is military gun. Would have been issued to soldiers in the DAoT
Lasgun was also issued to civilians, such as colonists due to its ease of manufacture/easy supply of ammo/ease of use/effectiveness.
vagrant osprey
I'm not arguing that the military didn'tuse lasguns
vast frigate
Also dont forget that the common citizen makes more than enough to buy a lasgun (weirdly) and have food left. Of course there are those who arent allowed or cant because opposite but yeah
celest dome
Like RL Military ? Lasgun aren't possible with todays tech
open marsh
I'm not arguing that the military *didn't*use lasguns
What are you arguing. give me a sentence summary
vagrant osprey
I'm arguing that they were not primarily a military weapon
open marsh
I'm arguing that they were not *primarily* a military weapon
And thats where you are wrong
celest dome
Lasgun is the common gun (Like an Assault Rilfe)
vast frigate
The lasgun is literally the basic assault rifle for the federation of planets
open marsh
^
cerulean wagon
^
vast frigate
Its outright seen in several notes the writers made that it was so goddamn common
storm jungle
All I got from this convo
open marsh
All I got from this convo
Hrrr
green sedge
Hahaha
celest dome
I lonve it
rotund siren
All I got from this convo
WATCH OUT, A MUTANT!
vast frigate
Sure., the entirety of an army would have had volkite, heavy beamers, dark energy weapons etcetera
rotund siren
IT'S ARMED!
celest dome
Autogun are more plentiful/easier to make but the Imperial Guard mainly use Lasgun
storm jungle
WATCH OUT, A MUTANT!
I wonder if villagers count as abhumans.
they can fall to chaos
vast frigate
Other way around, lasguns are easier if you have base materials
celest dome
Or is Steve that is a Mutant
rotund siren
I mean, they do also reproduce
green sedge
I'd argue they're abhuman, yeah.
vast frigate
Honosapiens Nasal Gigantica
storm jungle
I mean, they do also reproduce
sinful leaf
The lasgun's greatest strength in 40k is definitely its logistical properties. It's far from ideal for dealing with armored foes, but massed fire can still work.
Actual daot humanity had far fewer worries about logistical bottlenecks and technician availability .
visual pumice
I wonder if villagers count as abhumans.
i mean, you basically use them as cattle
rotund siren
yeah, and the children are like the adults, so, abhuman
celest dome
Other way around, lasguns are easier if you have base materials
Lasgun use Power Pack and other electrical/electronic component, Autogun are easier as they are mostly metal, the harder part are the ammo
open marsh
What people misunderstand of the difference between DAoT tech and Imperium 30k / 40k tech is:
On an individual basis (such as a soldier), the tech is essentially identical. With the variance that a DaoT lasgun with be better made to it has, say, more shots per powerback with no loss in power/range.
DAoT really only is superior in its grander tech. Its ships, their production capabilities (such as STCs). Or prototype gear that was just being developed when Old Night happened (such as the Moment Shackle used by Trajan Valoris. Captain-General of the Custodes, which basically allows him to goo full ZA WARUDO!!!)
green sedge
Ok. Let me try to frame this the way I think it was intended. Yes, militaries used lasguns. A lot. But they were also likely issued to civilians. Since you will always have way more civilians than troops, it can be argued that it was in fact a more general purpose gun than the strictly military stuff like plasma and such.
vagrant osprey
Is a 1911 military tech?
green sedge
I'd argue that it isn't any more.
celest dome
That's not how Military equipement work
cerulean wagon
guns arent miltech guys
celest dome
If it's used by or was made for the Military, it is defacto Military equipement
open marsh
Is a 1911 military tech?
I want to know what you think was the standard weapon of the DAoT soldier
vagrant osprey
Do I need to draw a venn diagram?
vagrant osprey
(Civilian weapon(Both)Military weapon)
storm jungle
Look
green sedge
Ok, we're into the part of this where we're overstating people's arguments to get ridiculous, Skeleton? Because we can do that, I just thought we were above it.
storm jungle
If you have hands
crisp heath
lasgun is both
crisp heath
Was that all on whether the lasgun was """military""" or not?
green sedge
Yes.
crisp heath
emphasis on the """"""
celest dome
Lasgun is both but still mainly a Military equipement, civi will usually use Autogun (Like in Necromunda)
open marsh
(Civilian weapon(Both)Military weapon)
I think you are splitting hairs to an insane degree.
The lasgun was primarily a military rifle, but it was also commonly used as a civilian weapon (if the local laws allowed for civilians to have a weapon). But as such its still a military weapon.
Yes they were used by both. But it is still in the class of "military" weapon as it was the (and still is) the standard issue for the soldiery.