The hell she doin?
#40k-lore-chat
rotund siren
scream
final spruce
Using her Haki I assume looking at the catachan
atomic pelican
Tusken Raider screech
peak hamlet
I think hes enjoying it
rotund siren
yep
primal tide
That chatachan: "throne, I hate mondays"
coarse mirage
I like this version of tzeentch
storm jungle
@atomic pelican Also onut look at this meme
The famously ferocious T’au Fire Warriors of Vior’la face an incursion of World Eaters. The Chaos Space Marines are so thoroughly lost to the worship of Khorne that their ranks contain as many Spawn as they do Berzerkers. The T’au’s impeccable fire discipline sees the World Eaters warbands kept at arm’s length – that is, until the infectious rage of the Khorne devotees begins to catch in the souls of Vior’la’s foremost cadres. The T’au, voices raised in primitive Fio’taun war cries that have not been heard for centuries, begin to engage the Chaos Spawn at close range and even charge in to engage them in close combat. It does not end well for the T’au. Millions die before a council of six Ethereals are scrambled to the site to lend their calming influence to the Fire caste cadres, restoring order and allowing the T’au to withdraw into low orbit before the World Eaters can complete the slaughter.
final spruce
Mmmmhhhh
gaunt vector
lmao
final spruce
I m'a go melee the bigass mutant in power armor with a mall katana and see what happens
But in all honesty, it sounds like it could make for a good story and shows the power of Ethereals
atomic pelican
SOMEONE FOUND IT
Very nice
Someone mentioned a tau khorne story awhile ago and I was wondering what they meant
storm jungle
Pretty wack
open marsh
> The famously ferocious T’au Fire Warriors of Vior’la face an incursion of Worl...
where is this from
storm jungle
open marsh
this 9e?
storm jungle
No idea, the guy doesnt seem to give enough reference
open marsh
From the comment, it appears so
storm jungle
Yeee most likely
open marsh
Explains why I wasnt aware of it. I dont have the 9e chaos codex yet
coarse mirage
Are there ever any stories abotu what happens to Chaos worshipper souls?
primal tide
I recall a bit of a story of a nurgle cultist whose soul (and others) are trapped in sth that some big dude is carrying around the battlefield
I'm vague on details, I'll see if I can find it
I misremembered the soul bit it seems
Here's what I was thinking of tho
Really, really cool stuff in this, and in the comment that the OP posted about the dudes fate
@barren tapir I dunno if youre familiar with this one already but you might dig it
barren tapir
I knew that already... I was the guy who aun'va was referring to when he said that remembered someone saying that before
I mean the khorne stuff
barren tapir
SOMEONE FOUND IT
Someone found it? AH i had that excerpt from 18/01/2021
barren tapir
Someone mentioned a tau khorne story awhile ago and I was wondering what they me...
It was me, and i was referring to this
barren tapir
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/ly9hoo/excerpt_chaos_space_marine_rule...
I was wondering when someone here would have found out that excerpt on reddit... Not really surprised it was you... Well done
If anyone is interested in seeing the exact words, and everything i can share the image i made
storm jungle
No worries, i visit r/40klore frequently to read stuff anyway
barren tapir
I started stalking that place after you said how much good stuff can be found there, and ho boy you were right
storm jungle
Yeeee but I suggest taking breaks in between
My strat is usually coming back once in a week and scrolling down to where I last left off while opening all the tabs I want to read and then getting to work on each one by one lol
Some people ask really good questions
barren tapir
My strat is usually coming back once in a week and scrolling down to where I las...
I do this too... But daily lol...
Ah, yes, i saw both of those...
storm jungle
lmao
yeah i dont get why some people think r/40klore is bad, the only shit thing ive noticed is the dumb mods. Otherwise even unpopular/stupid questions never get upvoted anyway
cerulean wagon
iirc there was a time someone flew and cut a spaceship in half
idk if its canon tho
storm jungle
LOL
barren tapir
Wasn't that linked to biel tan fall? Like someone braking it in half
cerulean wagon
na this was something id heard of before the fall
open marsh
Nope, 8th edition heretic astartes codex, pag 44
Strange I wonder how I missed that bit
marsh grail
Who are the legion of the damned? Are they a specific group or are they just any dead space marines? For example were they all on the same ship and something happened to it in the warp?
barren tapir
vast frigate
@marsh grail legion of the damned are considered to be easier explained as the Emperors daemons
All those loyalists that die are possibly able to become part of the emperors infernal legion
open marsh
It's kinda confirmed when the spirit of a dead Ultramarine joins them
ashen zenith
Once a deamon finds a normal untrained psyker, how hard is it for it to break into real space through him
?
plush mason
yes
vast frigate
Its uh, like what happens is that the psyker acts like a lighthouse next to a port, the daemon cant enter port unless the lighthouse operator, the psyker, opens the gate however, by doing a psychic thing
They can however whisper and try to influence them,
gaunt vector
I saw somewhere that Rylanor and/or the thousand sons that were with him mad managed to join the Legion of the Damned as well.
vast frigate
Well the legion of the Damned are pretty much unknown, some completely have their recognizeables burned away by the pure holy fire of the emperor, while others have some form of recognizing matter
like the Salamander that was 100% sure he saw Ferrus charging head along the forward wave, only his head was replaced by a grimacing burning skull
barren tapir
?? I never heard this
gaunt vector
like the Salamander that was 100% sure he saw Ferrus charging head along the for...
the first thing my mind played when trying to imagine that was metallica music
specifically their remix of "for whom the bell toll"
*tolls
vast frigate
?? I never heard this
im not sure if it was a salamander or not but a lore fanatic friend of mine told me so im assuming its correct
then again when we are discussing art he crops out primaris marines if he can because he hates them so....
¯_(ツ)_/¯
barren tapir
There is an art, which show ferrus like you said
gaunt vector
then again when we are discussing art he crops out primaris marines if he can be...
are you friends with Gabriel Seth?
barren tapir
But it is fan made
vast frigate
are you friends with Gabriel Seth?
lol no
but he for example, cropped out a primaris captain in some fanart we were discussing
going ''this fixed the issue''
barren tapir
gaunt vector
oof
vast frigate
ive seen that art yeah
gaunt vector
me and the boys template right here
primal tide
Shazam
plush mason
ty for ruining the white scars for me
dim totem
you're very welcome
plush mason
lol
crisp heath
Khan: "Cause I am the one you should fear the most, for I am the one who will take you down."
crisp heath
As long as he exists, there's hope for the world.
vagrant osprey
Does anything kill members of Ordo Hereticus more than Ordo Hereticus? 🤔
primal tide
spiderman pointing.gif
vagrant osprey
So, where is this "Magnus killed Malcador" thing written down?
I'd like to read it, because there are too many questions
storm jungle
Fury of Magnus!
vagrant osprey
Thank you!
So, how does this fit into the timeline? It happens after Magnus' Folly, right?
And he killed Malcador, then Malcador got resurrected, then Malcador died on the golden throne?
crisp heath
I mean, that makes him pretty badass honestly.
primal tide
Malcador and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
hallow apex
Did Malcador suck the life out of another perpetual? Because that was my takeaway.
gaunt vector
Malcador and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
yup, pretty much
gaunt vector
Did Malcador suck the life out of another perpetual? Because that was my takeawa...
like Star Platinum inhaling another stand in JJBA? the Emperor and his stand Star Malcador!
final spruce
40k lore in a nutshell
open marsh
How dead do you have to be to stay dead
Extremely dead
LIke Sanguinius died, but Sanguinius is still alive
limpid hedge
hallow apex
So is Ferrus. And Horus.
open marsh
Well Ferrus briefly came back in the war in the webway
Horus still has soul fragments held by the chaos gods
plus his clone
Also the Ferrus clones
hallow apex
Horus is fighting an eternal war in the warp against daemons. His body and the body of his clone are in stasis aboard the Vengeful Spirit. Fulgrim’s perfect clone is with Trazyn
open marsh
I thought Horus's body was destroyed. Same with the body of the clone
Geez if both get resurrected somehow. That is going to be akward
hallow apex
No. Abbadon has both aboard the Spirit.
Granted, the original body is probably just bits and pieces, whatever the Emperor’s Children left unused when they created the perfect clone. The perfect clone, aside from the damage it sustained, is intact
vagrant osprey
GW has been very careful to never say Malcador was a Perpetual
He's just an extremely powerful psyker who lived since the bronze age without any form of augment or rejuvenation treatment
primal tide
aka, a perpetual haha
vagrant osprey
Yeah, but they have gone out of their way to never say that. For some reason.
It's GW ¯_(ツ)_/¯
primal tide
i dont think the distinction matters much
im sure there are ultramarines that they have never said are space marines
it doesnt need saying
vagrant osprey
They always leave him out when listing perpetuals, is the thing.
I'm not sure even they understand the difference, tbh
Maybe they're worried that people will think he could come back from his soul burning away?
But everything contradicts everything anyway, so who really knows?
celest dome
aka, a perpetual haha
Perpetual aren't the only long living humans, some Psyker can cheat death by pure strength of will
slow flower
He's just an extremely powerful psyker who lived since the bronze age without an...
How do we know he hasn't had any rejuvenation treatment?
vast frigate
He was fairly frail of body
But extremely powerful, alpha +
So siphoning energy isnt that far of a reach for him
gusty heron
perpetuals can be killed
cloud kindle
though we dont know how being completely drained by the golden throne will do to ones perpetuality
barren tapir
My theory is that the golden throne keep the soul of the people, and that is why Malcador isn't back... The moment that the golden throne stop working he would be brought back... The problem is that the golden throne keep the webway portal closed... Unless the psykers that are used for the astronomican are instead used to close the breach... Then we would have both Malcador and big e returning but very weak at the start...
This is one of my crazy theories btw
cloud kindle
my crazy theory is when the throne fails it will create the eye of terra and big e will be reborn as the chaos god of order
vast frigate
thats not very crazy considering big E is now, for all; intents and purposes, a chaos god
hallow apex
With Bobby G reading the Leticio Divinitities, let’s get another civil war going
open marsh
Big E isnt a chaos god. He isnt chaos. He is anathema to it
barren tapir
He isn't a god either... Not yet at least
final spruce
He is just pure psychic might atm
barren tapir
But the moment that GW fuck things up and make him really a "god" i'm gonna secede from the imperium very fast
cerulean wagon
hes not q chaos god but hes basically a god already as far as capabilities
final spruce
I just have that Dark imperium excerpt in mind where Gulliman says that Big E has lost his Humanity and is just sheer psychic might
cerulean wagon
didnt we have an avatar form sometime semi recently
of big e that is
was a tau lore thing for why they dont have as many humans now
barren tapir
There is an astronomican avatar yes
final seal
open marsh
was a tau lore thing for why they dont have as many humans now
That was the warp entity of the greater good. Which caused the 4th sphere expansion tau to go full "SUFFER NOT THE XENOS TO LIVE"
vagrant osprey
Big E has daemons. He's not one of the ruinous powers yet, but he's shown the same power set as them
gaunt vector
Big E has daemons. He's not one of the ruinous powers yet, but he's shown the sa...
Legion Of the Damned, Imperial Saints etc right?
vagrant osprey
Legion of the Damned and the Imperial Saints, granting power to the faithful, all kinds of warp fuckery, eating the souls of psykers, etc...
I can't even say he never inflicted mutation on his followers, because that was kinda his thing
Granted, in the case of the Thunder Warriors it was via mundane means
But the Geneseed in Astartes has some warpy bullshit going on.
Skitarii have reaction times that are driven by cogitators. Their reaction time is, quite literally, governed by the speed of light.
The Occulobe and Black Carapace allow Astartes to react measurably faster than Skitarii
gaunt vector
But the Geneseed in Astartes has some warpy bullshit going on.
Like the Black Rage, I think that is spiritually inherited through the geneseed of Sanguinius
vagrant osprey
Oh, I'm not even talking about geneseed defects that could be blamed on the the Primarchs.
gaunt vector
Oh, I'm not even *talking* about geneseed defects that could be blamed on the th...
you had better be blaming that on Horus not Sanguinius
gaunt vector
don't tell that to the Black Templars but yes absolutely
Lorgar was full of bs but I agree that the difference between a demon and an angel is a matter of perspective
vagrant osprey
As near as I can tell, the only thing keeping the Emperor from being a ruinous power is that he hasn't thrown himself into the Great Game.
...which GW might have him do, since taking the fight to Chaos is basically all he COULD do.
He could be the chaos god of mistakes :V
gaunt vector
As near as I can tell, the only thing keeping the Emperor from being a ruinous p...
Even if he did I don't think he would be a rouinous power, within the Great Game, his "playstyle" wouldn't really fit that, he is a person with a purpose, not a concept with an obsession. That is the difference between the God Emperor and the Dark Gods
gaunt vector
He could be the chaos god of *mistakes* :V
oof
vagrant osprey
You say that, but "A concept with an obsession" isn't exactly an inaccurate way to describe him.
And going by how his interaction with RG is described, it seems like he's increasingly going that way as his entombment continues.
gaunt vector
You say that, but "A concept with an obsession" isn't exactly an inaccurate way ...
actually that is a reasonably fair point, but his personality is far more developed that the dark gods and he is and always has been anchored to reality. He is more a person than they are even if he is not as much of a person as we are
vagrant osprey
But he's less and less of a person as time goes on.
gaunt vector
But he's less and less of a person as time goes on.
true. I conceede my previous point
vagrant osprey
I suppose it's a matter of where you draw the line.
gaunt vector
against chaos is a good enough line for me
barren tapir
‘You do not understand, Vychellan. All this, the saints, the visions, the tarot, they are tools – they are a means by which we may exert control. They are useful. We have shown any who might waver in their loyalty that the Emperor’s forces are abroad. They know now that His servants will smite those who turn from Terra, and His servants will be saved. Achallor’s interment here is a symbol of that. Let them venerate him as a saint for a while. They would anyway. Best we make use of it. This world is a lynchpin, not only for this segmentum, but also for the crusade.’ ‘It is still wrong,’ said Vychellan. Colquan nodded. ‘It is, but it will not last. When all this is done, the church will fall, and this long era of idolatry will finally pass. For what is the one truth, Hastius Vychellan?’ ‘The Emperor’s truth,’ Vychellan breathed.
-The gate of Bones
There is still hope for the imperium...
The two comments that were under this one were comically saying that the custodes were lying to themself, and that the Imperial Truth was a lie 🤣 🤣 🤣
vagrant osprey
The Emperor's truth is that there are no gods, and all who would be gods are bastards.
At least half of that checks out!
barren tapir
It is more complex than that, but you gave a mostly good summary
cerulean wagon
just because they have stated this doesnt make it true
vagrant osprey
Today I'm not overtired and/or drunk, so my brain is working correctly.
cerulean wagon
they are not omnipotent within the setting, and the emporer has been wrong before
barren tapir
Oh boy, some of the other comments are funny
vagrant osprey
Oh, no. The point of believing that there are no gods isn't that they don't exist. The point is to kill them by believing they don't exist.
barren tapir
just because they have stated this doesnt make it true
Of course, but it means that there are still people who can use their brains, and that they would be for the destruction of the ecclesiarchy
cerulean wagon
Oh, no. The point of believing that there are no gods isn't that they *don't exi...
but thats not what they believe it for. just because we know that is how it functions does not mean thaty they know
barren tapir
Wait... Skeleton, you were responding to Pseudo?
cerulean wagon
initialy no, but with that on yes
barren tapir
just because they have stated this doesnt make it true
So this was for me right?
cerulean wagon
yes
barren tapir
Ok, so my answer was rightly pointed
vagrant osprey
There's also the point that "God" is too vague and ill-defined a term for it to actually be a true statement in 40k.
Religion is one of the few other sets of stories that has as big a problem with power scaling as 40k :V
dim totem
I wish gw would hire someone to write the actual book of grudges and release it
that'd be funny
visual pumice
that's the whole point of the book i think
cunning lantern
"Okri bought a beer to Ungrim and Ungrim promised to pay back, but he left to other Karak very same day."
pearl sail
It would be a book of "1000 things I chose to be pedantically petty about, along with other legitimate grievances"
primal tide
Entry 144: Thongrim Dorwari saw an elf and it made him angry. Recompense is needed for this slight.
dim totem
It would be a book of "1000 things I chose to be pedantically petty about, along...
Exactly
You guys give good examples of what I think it'd be like lol
"saw an elgi" -> "recompense needed"
cunning lantern
"Barber cut my beard 5 cm too short."
atomic pelican
"You didn't let me kick your ass!"
Urist is the most accurate depiction of dorf logic
pearl sail
"We fought the skaven over a grudge. We lost the battle, and now we have more grudges because they dared to harm us and our sacred tools of war"
And other thick skulled nonsense like that
dim totem
Question
If most people didn't believe skaven were real
which i assume is the case
Haven't dwarfs been fighting them since forever
visual pumice
yeah
primal tide
It's "fake news" within the empire
cunning lantern
"I was pushed from a rock I vowed to be standing this whole fight and that rock was stolen. I demand it back."
dim totem
Isn't Belegar Ironhammer pretty famous in general?
and didn't he lose his crib to skaven
visual pumice
the empire don't want the general populace to know about the skaven, which turns into ignorance as a whole
storm jungle
Im guessing the empire and the skaven is like us with UFOs?
visual pumice
pretty much
storm jungle
since we go "lmao im sure they exist"
visual pumice
the idea there is millions of man sized rats under altdorf and shit would cause anarchy
or chaos if you're inclined 😎
visual pumice
stormvermin are taller
dim totem
cute
atomic pelican
I think Stormvermin are a bit bigger than ur average humie
primal tide
Entry 609: someone coughed in the great hall when Skorrindor Dromfilgrom was explaining why he was 10 seconds late to the meeting. This hideous interruption cannot go unpunished
visual pumice
they slouch though
storm jungle
Oh yeah but they are still drilled for dicipline
atomic pelican
LUL
visual pumice
🤮
storm jungle
clan rats meanwhile would die if you literally pushed them the wrong way and break their leg
dim totem
lol
storm jungle
and they slouch a lot
atomic pelican
I could easily take on atleast 10 unarmed clan rats with my hands
visual pumice
lads like queek are even bigger though
dim totem
well
dim totem
lads like queek are even bigger though
they got nasty teef
atomic pelican
Yes-yes, this beardthing is going on my cringe-fail rack
visual pumice
put bearded thing on rack, talk-speak to me-me later
atomic pelican
There's something mildly hilarious about a 3 year old rat slaughtering ancient dwarfs.
cunning lantern
Entry 782: Fenna had a fake butt as I had as long beard as Okri and his beard reached all over her when mine didn't. I demand her as my wife.
primal tide
By the great horned one, you type-post yikes-cringe
visual pumice
There's something mildly hilarious about a 3 year old rat slaughtering ancient d...
they grow up so fast 🥲
storm jungle
There's something mildly hilarious about a 3 year old rat slaughtering ancient d...
look at him
atomic pelican
FHNF
odd sparrow
smol queek is amazing
cunning lantern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyQminDhY4M easily the best video of Tarriff
storm jungle
MANIPULATİNG SCIENTIFIC DATA
vagrant osprey
In any science fiction or fantasy setting, one question that always needs to be asked is "If modern humanity fought them, who would win?"
Skaven is a tossup.
... Although that's partially because the Skaven are primarily underground, and their corpses would clog the tunnels when we went after them.
vast frigate
yeah but we'd have people going ''drop a moab'' so.... it depends on if you modernize the enemy along with yourself
dim totem
i imagine skaven the kinda rats to have a million emp's lying around
vast frigate
Theres an animation out there somewhere that shows a possibility or 10 where they transport an elite fighting knight force into modern areas
it comes down to
If you put them in a town where people are without self defense means but knives and blunts, the knights will win
If you slap them in front of soldiers, theyre fucked
and then theres some deviations to that tale
dim totem
that's stupid
vast frigate
no it really isnt
dim totem
in what context would medieval armor help you
vast frigate
take the skaven
dim totem
in a stabbing maybe
vast frigate
You want to go head to head witha seasoned knight?
you only have whats in your home
Good luck, hes gonna beat your head in
dim totem
but why
vast frigate
the thing is, if you drop the knights in an armory, and they have the logic to keep low, theyre going to take the time to understand what the fuck just happned
Some are bound to grab a gun
Get where that leads to?
dim totem
i think he's just going to get freaked out by the horseless carriages and run into oncoming traffic
vast frigate
The situation based on the enemy and the area theyre in all lead to different outcomes
location standpoint its called in dutch, roughly translated
we are interested by nature, are skaven?
I assume so from what ive read
Okay now we have skaven that have been suddenly placed, with their base knowledge and the whole shebang, inside of modern society, but in the sewers
The tunnels are too small, dig dig yes!@
Maybe they are smart enough to begin supporting, maybe they ignore it, sinkholes form or not dependant on that
Do they get caught?
primal tide
in fantasy they can make tunnels without having x of cubic miles of earth that they have to place somewhere
in reality all that dirts gotta go somewhere if theyre going to make a planet spanning tunnel network with cities inside
storm jungle
Helmgart is a good example in v2
it literally collapse from too much skaven tunneling
primal tide
yeah like, where did all the dirt go, to make all that tunnel underneath?
there should be an extra mountain that appeared made of it
you cant just dig underground like minecraft, if you want to make a tunnel, that volume of earth needs to be taken all the way out and placed somewhere on the surface
primal tide
lol you
cerulean wagon
i hate the fact dilara isnt wrong
primal tide
but yeah, im not trying to apply logic to skaven in fantasy
just in the prompt of placing them in our world
primal tide
they get pocket dimensions too
primal tide
its a shame they havent weaponized gnawholes
like an arrow that when it hits something opens up a small gnawhole connected to the bottom of the ocean or sth
idk enough about skaven, maybe they have tho
storm jungle
skaven can basically do anything as long as you use warpstone as an excuse
it gets pretty stupid but its the actual way the writers do most of their fluff
primal tide
Do they get caught?
but yeah in summary, if they try to establish a city underground they absolutely get caught because of the absolute sheer amount of displaced dirt that would start appearing nearby
storm jungle
the worst part is im pretty sure if you destroy their under-empire which literally spans the entire world you'd cause massive earthquakes that would literally cause some continents to shift wouldnt you? lol
atomic pelican
Arsenic is the best way
storm jungle
but i dont know jack about geography so beats me
atomic pelican
The balancer behind skaven is that they're usually preoccupied killing eachother more often than not
Kinda like chaos but rat flavored
Or literally chaos now
cerulean wagon
the worst part is im pretty sure if you destroy their under-empire which literal...
yeah pretty much
storm jungle
Shame.
cerulean wagon
but hey
considering the burrowing didnt collapse shit
i dont think it would matter
broken shell
Yeah Skaven are not that competent as builders
primal tide
yeah, the way their tunnels are depicted in enemy below from vermintide 1 its crazy ramshackle and partially just whatever seems leftover from cave-ins from layers below lol
theyre methed up construction workers
storm jungle
ngl im loving this breakdown of how shit the skaven are in realistic terms
also yeah you destroy that one bigass pillar and that entire chasm goes down with it
vagrant osprey
The skaven wouldn't even really be skaven without warpstone
storm jungle
They can pretty much be
we were complaining about how "warpstone" is used as a mcguffin for everything they do
vagrant osprey
Meanwhile, GW decided to not include the Skaven in 40k because the Imperium was already there
barren tapir
This map show how much a shit plot hole was Tilea being destroyed by skavens... There are nearly no damned tunnels under it, and tileans were fully aware of the skaven, unlike the empire, where the number of tunnels is definitely bigger...
Fk GW and they poor way of making decision, Tilea stand!!
storm jungle
barren tapir
Oh yeah, they have assassinated most of the important guys in Tilea... Sure, in a land where skaven are know to exist, where assassination is extremely common, the important guys get assassinated by a know enemy... FFS tileans used assassination on a regular base for personal profit goddammit!
odd sparrow
you cant just dig underground like minecraft, if you want to make a tunnel, that...
i mean, it's not implausible that they just made a huge open area underneath helmgart and carted the dirt off throughout the under empire
it isn't like they can reasonably dump shit on the surface when ur continued existence is based around the surface dwellers not knowing u exist
vagrant osprey
That takes a LONG time, is the thing. Maybe they chucked it through the skittergate?
atomic pelican
They ate it
vagrant osprey
Making slaves eat it and then poop it out elsewhere is one way to move it, but it's not going away
storm jungle
I hate how they'd actually do all of these because of how comically evil the skaven are lol
primal tide
i mean, it's not implausible that they just made a *huge* open area underneath h...
oh for sure, that comment i made was within the context of them starting from scratch somewhere on earth tho
primal tide
Making slaves eat it and then poop it out elsewhere is one way to move it, but i...
more like, make a bunch of slaves eat it and then go die somewhere else
cheaper than making a bunch of latrines for the dirt mules
vagrant osprey
That still doesn't get rid of it
primal tide
obviously
odd sparrow
There's a reasonable amount written about how skaven make their tunnels
vagrant osprey
And then they need to hide the corpses, because they don't want people to know they're doing it.
primal tide
dick monsters you say
storm jungle
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
primal tide
wallace and grommit: the moon is made of cheese
warhammer: the moon is made of uranium-meth
storm jungle
Ikit Claw: No crack Queek. We've forgotten the crack!
primal tide
use the emergency crack to pull the moon down so we have more
storm jungle
lmao
mortal wasp
so i'm fairly new to the universe but i love it and i'm trying to learn all the lore I can.
do the skaven have an actual origin/coming of, or did they just kind of show up after the curse of thirteen?
storm jungle
too bad thats literally what happened
atomic pelican
I can't wait for skaven to get their "big story" in AoS, with model updates hopefully
odd sparrow
so i'm fairly new to the universe but i love it and i'm trying to learn all the ...
is this for AoS or fantasy?
cus idk what they're meant to be with AoS tbh
atomic pelican
Skaven tunneled into the mortal realms with the horned rat's help, as he is now a chaos god
The new skavenblight is now a separate little pocket realm
That's uh, p much what I know about them
Horned rat is now a chaos god
So they are now 100% chaos aligned
They haven't had their own big stories yet, they have some little neat mentions tho
and also fucked over nagash again
mortal wasp
are endtimes and age of sigmar different? Sorry if these are dumb seeming questions, i'm like just diving into the lore as of a couple days ago
atomic pelican
It's oki! End Times are the end of Warhammer fantasy, which after it died, came Age of Sigmar
Age of Sigmar is sort of a continuation but not quite.
odd sparrow
In fantasy there's a lil short story for it, framed as this not-italian folk tale. tl;dr there was a great city in which humans and dwarfs lived, they were making a giant tower cus [blatant tower of babylon ripoff], the progress on the not-tower-of-babylon ground to a halt, a weird hooded stranger who was obviously evil offered to finish the tower, he did, he also put a big fuck off magical bell on the top that apparently created the skaven in some manner + typical evil stuff. skaven proceeded to eat everyone, the great city became their capital city of skavenblight
mortal wasp
okay so then i would be referencing fantasy in my question about the skaven i think
storm jungle
what ratty said above says it all!
atomic pelican
Yuss
mortal wasp
yeah, that's exactly what i was referring to! so in the fantasy time, they just kind of showed after the bell was created
storm jungle
Exactly
but if you want a more dramatic telling of it here: https://youtu.be/HdrCeraprBo
odd sparrow
! that's a good video yeah
storm jungle
yeee!
primal tide
tower of Babell
odd sparrow
bells are super holy to the skaven in general
mortal wasp
that's exactly what i watched, i was just trying to see if there was more outside of the video that might explain how the bell made them or something
odd sparrow
Nah it's all pretty vague and like, obscure. It's meant to be a semi legend in the distant past and all
primal tide
warpstone
mortal wasp
okay, so then in age of sigmar, it's the horned rat that made them come to be?
odd sparrow
ye. The horned rat exists in fantasy too, it's the skavens only god
primal tide
they chewed through reality at the end of the world that was, with the help of the GHR
atomic pelican
They'd already existed before, in WHF.
Yeeesss
So the connection between WHF and AoS tends to be the Gods
atomic pelican
uh oh stinky
odd sparrow
the skaven died when the world ended in the end times, but their god survived and allowed them to tunnel back into reality
ye
A lot of characters in warhammer fantasy translated into age of sigmar as newly made gods, plus a bunch of existing deities
like sigmar himself and all
primal tide
and vampire lord
atomic pelican
Heres a fast AoS Summary of how it connects, if u ever become interested in it:
Sigmar survived the End Times, he floats through space. A great star dragon, Dracothion, finds him. Dracothion leads Sigmar to the mortal realms. Sigmar finds some other people survived too, like Nagash, Teclis/Tyrion, Morathi, Malekith(now Malerion), these lot have become gods(or just survived, in the case of Morathi, but that's a different story)
Sigmar works with these lot to rebuild the realms in the Age of Myth, trying to rebuild their cultures and such
That's p much the short of the connection
primal tide
eventually just about all of those he allied with fuck off to do their own thing and leave him to try to keep shit together
odd sparrow
poor sigmar
primal tide
uwu
gaunt vector
so they kicked all the members because the server was crashing and the admins decided to try again?
atomic pelican
Honestly she was setup to be interesting in AoS but then they made her a evil dickhead again it seems
odd sparrow
heck
mortal wasp
the most experience i have with fantasy so far is vermintide 2/some lore videos, and from what I understand about vermintide 2 is that all the characters just happened to meet eachother with their own goals when the endtimes started, but i can't really find much explaining what the story/significance of their actions in vermintide 2 do in the universe.
atomic pelican
Yeah, the End Times are way above the crew's paygrade outside of surviving for the most part
primal tide
theres not much significance, gw has fully folded vermintide into the canon but the uber-5 are relatively low power compared to the other dealings going on
atomic pelican
You should also probably know that the End Times are seen as mostly Bad Writing™️
odd sparrow
Yea they're just sorta vibing dealing with smol fish early on into the end times
Yeah that too
mortal wasp
so vermintide is essentially a little side story of these guys struggle to survive in the endtimes?
primal tide
end times fully finish i think 2-3 years from current time in v2, given loehner has mentioned gelts wall if im right
storm jungle
yep
atomic pelican
Ye!
odd sparrow
People do not like the end times
primal tide
yesss
atomic pelican
I have Hopium
primal tide
realmtide
odd sparrow
This is also a little bit before the nurgle invasion of the empire, judging from loading screen stuff
So yea fairly early on. Not even sure if the bone pope is around yet
atomic pelican
He's being ressurected atm I believe
odd sparrow
The greater bone pope I mean, not the lesser one
atomic pelican
or the plans to ressurect him are in action
odd sparrow
That was the first book right?
atomic pelican
oh god honestly Im unsure
visual pumice
He’ll be back
odd sparrow
Fight me bitch
visual pumice
And then leave again
odd sparrow
Settra is an icon
atomic pelican
Nagash is all, and all are one in Nagash
mortal wasp
and then i just watched a video on the dominion of chaos for 40k, i know slightly more about 40k just because i tend to enjoy that setting more, but when it comes to the chaos gods, specifically Nurgle (maybe the others too) are warhammer 40k and fantasy/AoS connected? because in vermintide i know nurgle is mentioned
visual pumice
atomic pelican
My Nagash loyalties have gone up 500% since I heard that audiobook excerpt
odd sparrow
Settra does like. Nothing in the end times outside of nearly killing nagash
It's so sad
visual pumice
He challenges the chaos gods
primal tide
i like all the skeleton bros- nagash, tomb kings, et settra
atomic pelican
40k Isn't really connected to WHF/AoS beyond having the same god names
And even then
odd sparrow
and then i just watched a video on the dominion of chaos for 40k, i know slightl...
Not really connected but they basically share all their chaos stuff yeah
atomic pelican
The gods are characterized differently
odd sparrow
Same names, many of the same daemons, the models on the tt are the same
atomic pelican
Honestly that's the bonus if ur into daemons
You can play them in any setting
DSHFNSDN
mortal wasp
so when it comes to fantasy is nurgle still the chaos god of plague and what not
atomic pelican
Yeee
visual pumice
Ye
odd sparrow
But they're not fully the same. In 40k slaanesh, one of the four chaos gods, is waaaay younger than in fantasy
visual pumice
He just doesn’t have his elf wife
odd sparrow
Only like 10k years since they were born
atomic pelican
Honestly beyond like
odd sparrow
But mostly superficial differences, they represent the same stuff
atomic pelican
Domain and TT models
broken shell
They're the same gods, just with different origins and backstory
atomic pelican
40k and AoS chaos are characterized pretty differently
atleast the gods themselves
Since in AoS the chaos gods are actually like
present
rather than vague background overseers
mortal wasp
so besides names/ characteristics are fantasy and 40k really connected in any way? is 40k just technically far in the future, or is it an entire different universe in itself
odd sparrow
Different universe
atomic pelican
Nah not connected at all. Different universe
odd sparrow
GW flirted with the idea of 40k being future fantasy but abandoned it decades ago cus it was silly
visual pumice
I’d like that tbh. Too many differences now to overlook though
odd sparrow
I wouldn't tbh. It puts fantasy as playing second fiddle to 40k
Which it already does buuut still
visual pumice
Was going to say it already does haha
atomic pelican
The ironic part is that 40k started as just a weird side-game of fantasy
atomic pelican
Honestly
if AoS continues at the rate its growing
40k will return to its place of being second to fantasy
FHJNFNH
visual pumice
They’ve still not said what old world is or when it is right?
atomic pelican
They said it was gonna be in like
3-5 years iirc
And that was like a year ago I think
We know that it's not a revival tho
It's just like a weird prequel
Probs gonna be a forgeworld game
mortal wasp
so what universe do you guys enjoy more, fantasy or 40k? i like 40k more because i grew up with dawn of war but im getting into fantasy now too
odd sparrow
I love both
atomic pelican
I like both but fantasy's community is better so I prefer fantasy
odd sparrow
Don't make me choose between my stupid babies
atomic pelican
Don't make 2 bad bitches fight
primal tide
40k = aos > fantasy
visual pumice
If my fav rats weren’t dead i’d prefer fantasy
odd sparrow
Fantasy has always had a less like
odd sparrow
memey lowkey obnoxious fanbase
atomic pelican
AoS>WHF>40k
odd sparrow
Hvuuv7ibi
atomic pelican
And u right
atomic pelican
If my fav rats weren’t dead i’d prefer fantasy
Which rats?
visual pumice
Just Queek tbh
visual pumice
I like him too much
atomic pelican
Ikit is hinted to still be around as a new name
odd sparrow
I'd say AoS is my least favourite from a fluff perspective, but possibly my fav for the actual tabletop
atomic pelican
AoS rules are PREMO
odd sparrow
I haven't played it but the models are AMAZING
visual pumice
I love Ikit aswell but he didn’t die though did he?
odd sparrow
Like, fuck man why is all the talent going to AoS
mortal wasp
i've never touched or even know much about the warhammer tabletop, i've really only known the videogames, is the tabletop more like DnD, risk, or is it way different
storm jungle
oh god here we go
atomic pelican
There are Warhammer TTRPGs(Like DnD) but It's what's considered a wargame
odd sparrow
It's a wargame, sorta think like chess but with painted models and stuff. Obvs a lot more to it than that but that's the general vibe
No tiles, everything is based on inches for movement, line of sight etc. Typical wargame stuff, same as you'd get in a historical one
If you've ever played total war games then imagine that but turn based
mortal wasp
okay i gotcha, that sounds cool, thanks for all the information guys 😳 huge help
you guys excited for darktide?
atomic pelican
For sure!
mortal wasp
yeah i saw the teaser right when it came out and was super excited, then like a month ago i came across the Astartes mini series and felt a huge need to get more into the universes after seeing that
primal tide
Astartes series is da bes
cerulean wagon
excited
mortal wasp
I've played dawn of war and stuff growing up but never really got into the universe until now
odd sparrow
skeleton internal screaming
mortal wasp
seeing astartes was mind blowing especially knowing it was made by one single person
cerulean wagon
my torment does not end
odd sparrow
Astartes is the single best piece of 40k media don't @ me
mortal wasp
and i love it even more because it shows the space marines as the actual nearly demi gods that they are haha
odd sparrow
Lore goblin BEGONE
odd sparrow
Inb4 space marine power level discussion #685
atomic pelican
You think space marines can take on entire armies, yet my acolyte hybrids with rocksaws can cut them in half in mere seconds
curious.
odd sparrow
Vuvuvikfr
atomic pelican
Turning point Patriarch
visual pumice
primal tide
Spess marines: if you didn't want to get eaten, why you made of meat? Curious
mortal wasp
do you think the 4 shown characters in the darktide gameplay trailer could take on one unarmed space marine?
plucky moth
Space Marines are the best content and honestly they shouldn't focus on anything else ever
atomic pelican
plucky moth
except for maybe krieg
odd sparrow
If they had a single plasma gun or smthn then sure
atomic pelican
Oh that's a paddling, Incan.
plucky moth
atomic pelican
And yeah, 4 'hero' guard gamers could totally do that
odd sparrow
I will bonk all of you
mortal wasp
the space marines, imperial guardsmen, and kriegers are by far my favorite parts of the warhammer universes
odd sparrow
Except incan, idk how to approach punishing him that wouldn't defeat the point
atomic pelican
Make him moderate a 40k discord
primal tide
Lmao
odd sparrow
,, that's inhumane
plucky moth
like honestly Abaddon is just the best character
mortal wasp
isn't this technically a 40k discord?
atomic pelican
Oh yeah I'm just goofing
atomic pelican
like honestly Abaddon is just the best character
More like Baddaddon
odd sparrow
Gotem
atomic pelican
U kno, we're in lore chat, and I posed this earlier but now more ppl are active
I feel like chaos would be way more interesting with like
non-chaos space marine/daemon characters
odd sparrow
Oh yeah def
odd sparrow
Cults are like
cerulean wagon
the cults are the best bit
odd sparrow
A non entity rn
cerulean wagon
see- darktidw
primal tide
See gsc
atomic pelican
I think Cults are more interesting since they can explore the aspect from a human level
Exactly why I love GSC
odd sparrow
AoS has done so much fun stuff with chaos cultists
There's so many cool gimmicks and aesthetics there
atomic pelican
I got some Kairic acolytes on my stand behind me, they're PIQUE
odd sparrow
Optimal
mortal wasp
are chaos space marines just space marines who worshipped the chaos gods, or did they unwillingly get possessed/corrupted? i don't know alot about chaos yet
primal tide
Like that excerpt I posted a day or two ago, the pov of a poxwalker is infinitely more interesting to me than deathguard stomping
atomic pelican
Sort of both I believe
mortal wasp
i know about the gods and the great game, but not minute details
cerulean wagon
I think Cults are more interesting since they can explore the aspect from a hum...
this is the reason why almost all of my rpg campaigns have atleast featured chaos cults even if they arent the main entity
atomic pelican
Good choice!
cerulean wagon
its a great delve into a trickery and intrigue side plot
mortal wasp
what do you guys think happened in Astartes when the squad got pulled into the orb/warp entity? I feel like they just got lucky and whatever was holding them got killed by some other thing in the chaos gods fight for territory
primal tide
I think the creator has done some q&a about that stuff
The orb entities I believe got preyed upon in the warp and it messed up their attempts to kill the marines like you said
Something about them talking about breaking their seals to return somewhere, and it placed them unprotected in the warp while trying to absorb the sm
Idk what his next short will feature, I hope some fully canon xenos like eldar
mortal wasp
that would be sick, his talent with animation is insane
was the dude who was hooked up to the orb a tech priest or an inquisitor? people in the comments of that video were all saying different things
primal tide
He had the 
on his robes right?
mortal wasp
yes
primal tide
Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me then
mortal wasp
so an inquisitor?
primal tide
Or a sanctioned psyker or sth I'd assume
cerulean wagon
ye
mortal wasp
i was super interested in him because his design the creator made is so sick
kind dove
The Inquisition! What a show!
cerulean wagon
the art is pgud
dull flame
https://www.blacklibrary.com/audio/warhammer-40000-audiobooks/truth-and-dreams-mp3.html Not even gonna lie. The audio extract is sounding hella good
vagrant osprey
RG could have solved the chronostrife by ordering that a time signal be encoded into the astronomicon.
Time would still be fucked, but it would be possible to figure out the order of events.
cloud kindle
Better see +2 level of socketed gems on that tabula rasa
final seal
copper heart
What the hell is the energy called that necrons use? A ton of them (like in cinematics and models) have a green glow from their chest but i couldn't find a straight answer
final spruce
They use Gauss Cannons
final seal
necron energy
final spruce
But what they use is literally energy they steal from the shards of their gods
final seal
it's not like any other species'
it's the same energy they use for their ships' space travel
and everything else i suppose
copper heart
Yea but i meant is the green stuff in their chest like a generator?
final spruce
I don't know that one
final spruce
I did find one
Necrons don't have energy sources
They need to recharge
So the light coming from them is just their energy
This is from the book Knights of Maccrage
Where a cryptec is trying to find an energy source for himself and his tomb world
copper heart
Ah, thank you
final spruce
The book is pretty recent aswell so no fear for retcons
I'd hope
That's why one of the scarab's jobs is to actually recharge the necrons
They can convert the energy from chemicals bonds in living cells into energy and pump it in necrons that need it
cloud kindle
Good scrabs get pats
final spruce
copper heart
They can convert the energy from chemicals bonds in living cells into energy and...
Oh god its like locust swarms, eat all and slap the energy back into the skeletons
final spruce
Yep someone posted here a video of a sm being eaten by the scarabs in the trailer
copper heart
Feed your local scarab the leftovers, they will charge your phone
final spruce
I think they'd also suck the remaining battery of your phone aswell
Necrons are quite dickish in nature
Kinda what happens when you're a soulless automaton
copper heart
Worth it, even if it jacks up your bill by 4000 euros
primal tide
let it eat the bill too
cloud kindle
Let it eat you
copper heart
Let it eat.
cloud kindle
Eat.
primal tide
E
plush mason
so was vect really a slave?
storm jungle
so was vect really a slave?
We dont really know. The most popular one is the old story from the first DE codex where he tells the tale of how he came to power to a slave called Gideon but he does at the end point out he may as well pretty much be lying
median sundial
Theoretically; assuming if this notion doesn't land me on a pyre again; a Slaneeshi daemon could become pregnant and bear children if the one they seduced wish to be a parent. Why do I ask? I plan on writing a book with the Krieg Corps, and if you know the Kreig Corps you'll know where it's going.
vast frigate
as long as you represent them properly and not the way vraks does, youre fine
cerulean wagon
Theoretically; assuming if this notion doesn't land me on a pyre again; a Slanee...
in theory possibly, but given demons are just thought given form they cant realy get pregnant, more just the form would bloat and take on some of the markings of "parenthood" if that is what the person would want to see
cerulean wagon
demons are meant to be haha
final spruce
I mean daemons are pretty fucked up, especially Slaneeshy ones
vagrant osprey
Daemons are thought given form, but they also hand-wave biology
vagrant osprey
So, yeah, daemons could be a parent on either side, but anything that comes out of it is going to be half mortal kid, and half warp approximation of a kid
Or just a materium-stable daemon.
vagrant osprey
Oh, yeah, no, I was talking about the best case scenario
cerulean wagon
haha
vagrant osprey
It could also be a stable daemonhost
A clone of the mortal parent with a daemon for a soul
Fortunately, we don't have to worry about the consequences of somebody breeding a daemon with a null
vagrant osprey
Different topic: If Necrons are powered wirelessly, as described by lore, that would necessitate the existence of non-warp alternate plane to use as a transmission medium.
cerulean wagon
why dont we just fariday cage the necrons
vagrant osprey
Because that doesn't work.
The wireless power they receive has been shown to be unblockable.
cerulean wagon
thats not how wireless works
vagrant osprey
You're right.
Which is one of the reasons why it necessitates the existence of a non-warp alternate plane.
Perhaps an anti-warp?
crisp heath
daemonettes could delude you into believing you're going to become a parent if that gives you joy i suppose...
ride on the emotional high
open marsh
thats not how wireless works
It's probably blockable. We just don't know how to block it
crisp heath
...i'd say but it's very nsfw
vagrant osprey
You can arrive at this conclusion multiple ways; the fact that Monoliths aren't shedding enough heat to bounce off the atmosphere
If their power interacted with matter at all, the levels involved in the as-described undirected broadcast would fry everything.
plucky moth
just siphon the power yourself 
crisp heath
as to what avenues of absolute fucked-up-ness having a "child" with a daemon could result in
cerulean wagon
although i dont think slenders covering any of that
seems slenders writing daemonxkrieg smut
crisp heath
because that's shit that makes the daemonculaba look tame
coarse mirage
Different topic: If Necrons are powered wirelessly, as described by lore, that w...
They fold space
It’s not so much an alternate dimension as using the one we have in a way nobody else does
vagrant osprey
Daemonette with a brooding sack that disgorges chaos spawn to an adoring father?
Space folding requires an axis along which to conduct the fold.
crisp heath
also i wrote realistic krieg smut a few days ago lol
vagrant osprey
You have, in effect, reached the same conclusion as I using different words.
@crisp heath Don't Krieg harvest the ovaries and testicles of their soldiers to continue breeding more soldiers?
crisp heath
i've literally never heard of that and it sounds like total bullshit
the vitae womb is not described in depth and is left very vague
so it's not certain whether it's cloning technology, fertility aids, something to speed up growth
i believe they reproduce naturally and they're not clones, but aren't carried in the womb and their growth is sped up to produce adult soldiers at teen ages
vagrant osprey
Kriegsmen are described as being unusually young by other IG.
barren tapir
I think that stem from the krieger habit to harvest organs from dying kriegers... So someone expanded on that, but nothing canon afaik
I was referring to the harvest of ovaries and stuff
crisp heath
i think it wouldn't be ideal. there's a high chance that soldiers dying in combat zones will be subject to environmental mutagens and radiation
vagrant osprey
They're already child soldiers, and I don't think GW wants to go down THAT particular road.
barren tapir
Also if you don't grow up on krieg how can you indoctrinate them??
crisp heath
yep
crisp heath
transporting the reproductive material back to krieg would be a waste of resources
since i'll assume the vitae womb is only used on krieg specifically
vagrant osprey
Yes.
Which is why it makes sense for them to harvest the material before shipping soldiers out.
It also keeps them from feeling things that would distract from dying for the Emperor.
crisp heath
just have the resident kriegers (there have to be some) reproduce and take the embryos
easier than teaching millions of unsocialized soldiers how to fuck
vagrant osprey
Krieg only has a population of... Shit, I can't remember. 100,000?
Easier than either is an IVF to Vitae Chamber pipeline :V
crisp heath
or that
vagrant osprey
Yes. Explicitly
barren tapir
Also DKoK are in service for less than 100 years if i understand the date correctly
dim totem
<@456226577798135808> Don't Krieg harvest the ovaries and testicles of their sol...
harvest WHAT
vagrant osprey
Kriegers are all explicitly child soldiers. GW will cross many lines, but they will not have Kriegers personally involved in the child creation process.
gaunt vector
harvest WHAT
its not that different to taking geneseed from a dead astartes
geneva convention still does not approve tho
dim totem
hands off me pls
gaunt vector
hands off me pls
its fine, ur not a krieger so its not going to happen to u
that or I just jinxed you in one of the worst ways possible
vagrant osprey
It makes more sense to harvest them before they ship out, instead of after they die, but 40k runs on everybody making extremely awful decisions.
Krieg in particular
crisp heath
Nah, i still think that's bullshit. They can take the gametes from them before deploy, harvest the dead for organs for actual transplants needed & possibly for corpse starch
dim totem
language
dim totem
thats ten minutes in timeout for you
coarse mirage
AIM FED UP WIT DIS DISCORD
vagrant osprey
You know, looking at the lore for Astartes, it looks like without support from Titans or orbital assets the number of Astartes required to take modern day earth exceeds the number of Astartes that have ever existed at once
They have full situational awareness via microwave scanning out to 800 meters (When wearing their fucking helmets), and they have precognitive reflexes thanks to the Occulobe and Black Carapace, but they can't dodge an AMR round fired from 2km away.
40k doesn't even have BVR combat. Even their artillery is limited to maybe 10 miles
Predator drones fly well outside Astartes detection range, and even if the Astartes could see them none of their weapons have the range to hit one.
They don't even have the option of ditching their armor and attempting to hide amongst the population, since they're so morphologically distinct.
gaunt vector
well they could still cause massive casulaties, probably enough to convince our world to surrender.
vagrant osprey
No. No, they really couldn't
gaunt vector
so u r telling me that 18 legions drop on us and we don't even need to negociate?
vagrant osprey
Need to? No.
vagrant osprey
To space invaders? Yeah, that's one thing they could agree on.
gaunt vector
they don't cripple any of our command structures
vagrant osprey
Estimates are that they could cripple ONE superpower via concerted effort.
gaunt vector
To space invaders? Yeah, that's one thing they could agree on.
well I woudl have thought the same about a global pandemic and commiting genocide but we are all at home and the CCP exists
vagrant osprey
As long as they don't attempt to target the US, which is HEAVILY decentralized.
gaunt vector
As long as they don't attempt to target the US, which is HEAVILY decentralized.
the Raven Guard and Alpha legion would be all over this
primal tide
Lmao yeah
gaunt vector
The Thousand Sons would be cyberbullying every ranking officer in their sleep
vagrant osprey
I'm pretty sure there are too many ranking officers for that.
And we have highly effective drugs for preventing dreams from happening.
Make no mistake. It would be an awful, bloody thing.
But modern military doctrine and equipment is not a fair matchup for Astartes.
gaunt vector
And we have highly effective drugs for preventing dreams from happening.
do we have anti magnus drugs?
vagrant osprey
I said Astartes, not Primarchs
Magnus could just fucking warp-storm the planet
This is a strategic analysis of relative battlefield viability, not "LOL! THROW AN AUTHOR DEVICE AT THEM!"
And if you want to bring up warp fuckery, the Emperor wouldn't tolerate an invasion by his future self resulting in the entire thing becoming pointless.
gaunt vector
I said Astartes, not Primarchs
its not like Ahriman is a sufficient step down for us not to have hundreds or even thousands of COs lose their mings
*minds
gaunt vector
But modern military doctrine and equipment is not a fair matchup for Astartes.
modern military equpiment is not going to work effectively. infantry weapons and anything under a 30mm caliber is going to do didly squat
Artillery shells are going to need almost direct hits to bring down a single soldier
Astartes can run at (if I remember correctly) 35 or even 40 mph on a lot of different terrain
Tanks would stand a chance as long as no assault marines just jumped up and fired bolt rounds through their turret roofs
vast frigate
Okay look, the main issue is that astartes wont be sent to take modern earth
gaunt vector
Okay look, the main issue is that astartes wont be sent to take modern earth
HOPEFULLY
vast frigate
There will be a single ship waiting in orbit, the rest will be diplomatic and a fuckton of guardsmen.
If we dont say yes
We get another chance
If we dont say yes then, the planet will be taken from is
Astartes are super powerful breaker, shock and siege troops
Of course they can wage all out war too
novel fulcrum
astartes alone will generally not take planets, yes
that is why they are the scalpel to the imperial guard's hammer
vast frigate
There is the issue
gaunt vector
yup, pretty much
vast frigate
Astartes are never alone
gaunt vector
Using astartes alone like this situation demands would give them an immedieate disadvantage but they would still wreak absolute havoc
novel fulcrum
if the astartes are going somewhere, unless they're deathwatch, they're usually going to have a bunch of support from other imperial units
gaunt vector
we might stop them eventually but it would not be a win
vast frigate
Mechanicus forge ships, militarum battle barges, navy assault vessels stuffed to the brim with high orbit, low orbit and space-capable flyers
And of course, superheavies like the baneblade, the astraeus etxetera
gaunt vector
not to mention titans
vast frigate
If a single boltshell hits a tank we have
Lets say hypothetically thats all that happens
gaunt vector
If a single boltshell hits a tank we have
frontal tank armour would hold. all other angles would not
vast frigate
What do ypu think the engineers will say wben they hear
novel fulcrum
but yeah, i agree that the astartes alone wouldn't take and hold a planet, because that doesn't even begin to be their function
vast frigate
That it was fired by an infantry man
vagrant osprey
modern military equpiment is not going to work effectively. infantry weapons and...
That is not actually correct. Astartes power armor would be classified as light armor by modern systems, not heavy armor.
primal tide
Wat
vast frigate
7.62 is stopped by power armor
Im sorry to bring this to you but most rifles are useless
novel fulcrum
yeah, 7.62 is also stopped by IFV armor
vagrant osprey
Yes, 7.62 would be stopped.
novel fulcrum
which is probably comparable
novel fulcrum
anti-materiel, saturation bombing, and the like would be effective
novel fulcrum
granted, these are not necessarily standard-issue
vagrant osprey
So would smart bombs and other missiles.
vast frigate
okay
novel fulcrum
i feel like pulling the 'dear grid coordinates' card is generally the way to go
vast frigate
Now we get to the issue
lets go back to space marine logic right
Battle brothers pack up
decide we have chosen to not give the planet.
Orbital laser saturation, tactical insertion assaults, May i mention the caestus assault ram?
Dare i say, STEEHL RHAIN?
vagrant osprey
"I'm in check? Ok, so now my king pulls out his AK and kills your queen!"
primal tide
Teleport 1 termie to each major government building
novel fulcrum
that's true, if we're assuming standard codex-compliant ultramarines, the default rules of engagement for an astartes force includes orbital bombardment to soften ground targets before insertion
vast frigate
the thing is, lets say we have indeed declined
lets say we deny the imperium
and lets say that the astartes take it personally and want to deal with us
Man to man if need be
vagrant osprey
1: That's more termies than exist.
2: Those termies are now trapped in a collapsed chunk of building indefinitely.
primal tide
Hahaha
vast frigate
anyway
We have to deal with the following: None of our body armor can even withstand bolters.
heavy bolters are a thing.
Plasma guns will scare the FUCK out of everyone. Meltas and god forbid volkite tearing a tank in half.
Now we go to vehicles
Can you
for all our logic
novel fulcrum
afaik they can go back and forth between the ship and the ground, the main issue is planting a beacon in the desired location to begin with, usually requires a forward op to set up for the main assault
vast frigate
Imagine a hovering fucking Fortress
Driving up to the white house
this thing has void shields
It wont be stopped by anything short of a moab
imagine, airborne assaults
vagrant osprey
1: Bolters have shit for range. I'm not even going by tabletop rules here; they're effective out to about 200 meters in lore.
vast frigate
Someone decides to fight a thunderhawk
novel fulcrum
lore
vast frigate
lets say they get their plane in fighting spot right?
Now they face a storm array
IF you make it out, the engineers probably cant repair the plane within logical timeframes
Its a war of attrition we wont win
vast frigate
1: Bolters have shit for range. I'm not even going by tabletop rules here; they'...
it doesnt matter
40k weapons are so over the top, they show us they can cut a building in half with a rifle and we surrender
Youre genuinely underestimating how RETARDED the 40k scale is
vagrant osprey
They don't have gaussflayers.
vagrant osprey
Oh, yeah, just send in the solar auxillia in.
Effective range of about... 30 meters, iirc?
vast frigate
volkite isnt unique to them
space marines have high powered pistols and even 80+m beam variants
What do you think it will do if the mechanicus hijack all TV signals to show them firing an invisible beam at a vehicle, which then is violently torn into two ways
The torsion cannon
vagrant osprey
Again, you're talking about units with maximum engagement ranges that are considered "close quarters".