40k-lore-chat

[cerulean wagon]

@plucky moth you look great

[atomic pelican]

It looks like it has a jetpack

[storm jungle]

Wait is this thing sentient

[cerulean wagon]

uh

i think so

[atomic pelican]

oh my.

[storm jungle]

would explain the backpack

kroximemes? 👀

[storm jungle]

^

[atomic pelican]

good lord

sentient crocodiles.

we're one step closer to actual lizardmen 40k

[storm jungle]

Soon™️

[dim totem]

I want skaven 40k

[atomic pelican]

Seraphon ship is going to blast through reality and then glass a planet

[dim totem]

Then maybe 40 skinks

[cerulean wagon]

okay no its not sentient

[storm jungle]

DAMN

[cerulean wagon]

its just used as a guard by gangs

[dim totem]

crocodylinae deformum lol

[native surge]

no hell no

[atomic pelican]

I like that they gave him a cute lil backpack

How sweet

[dim totem]

Y no

[atomic pelican]

It's for his snacks.

[native surge]

ive had enough pain dealing with them in fantasy

[plucky moth]

holy fuck I'm an absolute unit

[dim totem]

You're literally in a Vermintide discord

[storm jungle]

The nukes are now dawi

[dim totem]

More or less

[native surge]

what

[atomic pelican]

Hm, no eldar pages

[native surge]

says darktide

[atomic pelican]

Rip eldar, left out again LUL

[storm jungle]

No no look!

[atomic pelican]

Owo

[atomic pelican]

OH

[dim totem]

Being the spiritual sequel to another tide that comes to mind that has to do with skaven

[storm jungle]

FUCK YEAH

[atomic pelican]

I'm blind

[plucky moth]

the Aeldari page will be a single sentence

"try again in 2022 nerrrrd"

[storm jungle]

NoOOO

[dim totem]

Lol

[atomic pelican]

"most commonly found at the feet of primaris lieutenants."

[plucky moth]

pleasures and pastimes of the Aeldari? Not Modelling I'll tell you that

[dim totem]

Why not m- oh

[storm jungle]

bastard

[cerulean wagon]

close

[dim totem]

big sad

[cerulean wagon]

eldar get a single page

[plucky moth]

LOL

[cerulean wagon]

then its mixed eldar between all subtypes

[atomic pelican]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF

[plucky moth]

I fucking knew it

[final spruce]

Ofc its a big project of GW

[atomic pelican]

Is that pleasures/pasttimes thing a culture writeup or smthing?

[dim totem]

I was wondering that myself

What do they get up to

Playing the harp

Brooding

Schemeing

[atomic pelican]

memeing

[dim totem]

Making plans

[storm jungle]

MOTHERFUCKER

IM GONNA PLACE SOME CAR BOMBS

[dim totem]

Fuck phone is going to die

[storm jungle]

[dim totem]

Layers nerds

[atomic pelican]

rip eldar

[dim totem]

Laters*

[atomic pelican]

They're gonna reduce their codex to a pamphlet with 9e

[cerulean wagon]

so

[plucky moth]

Dilara on the phone rn "Get the fertiliser"

[cerulean wagon]

its a page on eldar in general

[obtuse vault]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-wilfred-mott-salute-gif-5165008

[cerulean wagon]

then 3 pages each to the deldar and craftworlders

[storm jungle]

https://giantbomb1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/9/97921/2294811-qlmann.png

[cerulean wagon]

then a page dedicated to "solitaire" which is a speciifc eldar boi

[storm jungle]

Ahh

[atomic pelican]

Harlequin?

[obtuse vault]

https://tenor.com/view/solitaire-solitaire-ending-solitaire-end-ending-bounce-gif-12792838

[atomic pelican]

That sounds like a harlequin name

[obtuse vault]

damn

[cerulean wagon]

then this section is an eldars spare time as given to a rogue trader by a dark eldar merc

[atomic pelican]

Ah

[storm jungle]

wait so

the past time of dark eldar in particular?

[atomic pelican]

oh my

[storm jungle]

nothing on craftworlds or corsair hobbies?

[final spruce]

The Solitaire is the one doomed to be eaten by Slaneesh irc

[atomic pelican]

Ah

[final spruce]

Since he represents it during Harlequins spectacles

Which is an omen of Doom

[cerulean wagon]

nothing on corsair but craftworld is covered in brief

in like

a paragraph

[storm jungle]

😦

[plucky moth]

rip

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/let-down-malcom-in-the-middle-expected-nothing-disappointed-birthday-gif-5010774

[plucky moth]

Eldar getting the old yeller treatment

[native surge]

squats update when? 😦

[storm jungle]

🙏

Im gonna guess its "They live so long that they cant stick to one hobby" shit again

[final spruce]

Brooding about how they are the superior race I imagine

[storm jungle]

Shut up >:I

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-strangle-choke-the-simpsons-gif-10314569

YOU LITTLE-

[obtuse vault]

https://tenor.com/view/midsommar-crying-gif-19359314

[final spruce]

First sentence

Boastful

HAHAHA

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats what we call being hot

i wasnt denying it 👀

[obtuse vault]

welp looks like its time to go back to doing my own writing for the lore and disrespecting canon in every way i can

[plucky moth]

it's a tough life y'know

being hot

[obtuse vault]

have fun everyone else!

[storm jungle]

🫂

[cerulean wagon]

its less about living long and more about become too attached

[storm jungle]

Yep

guessed as much

[cerulean wagon]

to stay too long is too quiet literaly let the demon in

[storm jungle]

If i wanted to know that id have read any of their codexes

[cerulean wagon]

but no, that isnt covered in here

[storm jungle]

reee!

thanks for the info dump tho skelly

[plucky moth]

^

[storm jungle]

I act mad, which i am but this is really useful stuff

[plucky moth]

"thank you for pissing me off"

but earnest

[storm jungle]

^

Im more mad at the book

half of this is stuff you can literally read from codexes from what ive seen, ill need to judge it myself once i get mine tho

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

like

its not the worst

it doesnt cover stuff in depth

but it does it from the point of view of a person

its just "this is the eldar"

its "i travelled with an eldar once and this is what i got"

[storm jungle]

Yeee thats what i hate about it, xenology still beats this book out the water i think.

But i welcome the effort nonetheless, especially if new players are getting these

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

its a nice entry way

which unfortunatley we were expecting more, but most people dont even have this much

[storm jungle]

Sadly yup

xenology kinda went off the board with starchild stuff and big lore drops in the background, this is really pristine

but again its cool

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

its shallow but like

if this had come out first

id be fine with it

and then the other would makea nice expansion

xenology as done from a magos

[storm jungle]

Yeeee, it feels a step back in a lot of ways but its alright

[cerulean wagon]

it seems to be going for a more light hearted approach is all i can say

which i guess is 40k in general with the new logo n all

[storm jungle]

lmao

thats a good way of putting it yep

[cerulean wagon]

Grumbles aside

I like this boi

[storm jungle]

Oh!

Wait uhh werent these from umm

gaunt's book?

I swear they had lizard aliens with guns somewhere

[rotund siren]

How did this creature even get the guns on it?

it doesn't look like it has thumbs

[cerulean wagon]

Loxatl

Is the species name

[storm jungle]

[visual pumice]

[atomic pelican]

Blue abade aba die

That Tau is awfully gaunt

[visual pumice]

he looks like a youtuber's animated persona when their arms are crossed

[cerulean wagon]

tau vtuber, tau vtuber

[visual pumice]

vtweeter

[atomic pelican]

Thats aun va silly

Ethereal vtuber supreme

Or a vocaloid, either interpretation is right

[cerulean wagon]

theres a nice little bit in here between a kroot merc and a vespid

said vespid now being a merc cause the tau pretty much ruined his life

[storm jungle]

did they accidentally drive a tank over his nest

[obtuse vault]

i support tau genocide now actually

[plucky moth]

lmao

[obtuse vault]

tau minecraft youtuber

supreme mind over all

[plucky moth]

Tau Esports Athlete

[visual pumice]

*he is extremely lucky

[plucky moth]

sponsored by T-Fuel

[obtuse vault]

fuck it keeps getting worse

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-extreme-soda-drink-energy-drink-gif-10727204

[plucky moth]

what the fuck is with the zooming lmao

[visual pumice]

spongebob

i think?

[cerulean wagon]

Sorry the guy still worked as a tau vespid warrior, but he only did so as he had nothing to return too as all the old traditions and wealth of his people were gone, offered up to the tau instead

[storm jungle]

Awww

[atomic pelican]

owned idiot

[storm jungle]

HDFSLDS

HEY

[atomic pelican]

The vespid are the worst auxillary

[storm jungle]

BUG LIVES MATTER TOO

[atomic pelican]

Theyre so ugly

EHHDDH

[storm jungle]

UR UGLY

[atomic pelican]

[storm jungle]

get em boys!

[atomic pelican]

DHSHS

[cerulean wagon]

he died saving a kroot in an ork ambush

[final spruce]

Yup, flawed logic, if its ugly doesn't deserve to live, same reaction with he eldar above 😔

[atomic pelican]

Damn

Get em

[plucky moth]

ugly but loyal ✊

[coarse mirage]

That's the appeal. They should be freaky and strange.

[rotund siren]

what do Vespids look like?

[coarse mirage]

wasps on legs

[rotund siren]

don't they already have legs?

[storm jungle]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/76/cb/c0/76cbc0199a8effd4d734d5f9bc102b22.png

[rotund siren]

oh wow, that is a maw

[atomic pelican]

Cone head

[rotund siren]

lol

and those six tiny eyes

[plucky moth]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[storm jungle]

@atomic pelican

[atomic pelican]

THATS LITERALLY HOW THEY LOOK

I HATE THEM

[storm jungle]

DIE!

[plucky moth]

lmao

[final spruce]

Nice

[rotund siren]

a fine addition to the collection

[odd sparrow]

vespids suck

i wish they'd get like, a redesign or smthn tbh. bug aliens can be so much more

[atomic pelican]

They really do need a redesign

[odd sparrow]

ye. They just scream early 2000s models

[atomic pelican]

they're like, leftovers from the older styles

ugly

[odd sparrow]

ye

[visual pumice]

Drones in halo. That’s an alien bug

[storm jungle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/c/c4/H2A_Render_Yanmee.png/revision/latest?cb=20160403044737

yeah i dont know what yall want

theres only so many ways you can make a bug alien unique lol

[rotund siren]

walking on the toes

ouch

what is this, a horse?

anyways, there are probably a lot of ways to do alien bug, but the best will always be Space Crab People

[storm jungle]

https://i.redd.it/pdq7da6zlt921.jpg

zoom

[rotund siren]

Carcinisation is universal. Embrace the space crab, ignore the space bug

[storm jungle]

@atomic pelican Here onut

https://fastly.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/1200x680/public/rom8.jpg?offset-x=48&offset-y=0

have some mothra

[rotund siren]

oh hey

[atomic pelican]

Supreme

[rotund siren]

Zherlum would be interested

maybe Mothmana too?

[storm jungle]

nooooo

[rotund siren]

noooo?

[visual pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-drag-gojira-mothra-gif-8771070

[final spruce]

Meat is back on the menu boys

[rotund siren]

@weak nova hey you interested Mothra?

[rotund siren]

girlboss

[weak nova]

what a queen

[rotund siren]

in the immortal words on an unknown person, "YAAAAS QUEEN SLAY"

I can't believe I just sold my dignity to make a joke with no reaction...

[coarse mirage]

MOTTURAAA

[coarse mirage]

It's gone forever.

[rotund siren]

;-;

[final spruce]

Gone, reduced to atoms

[rotund siren]

rest in piece dignity, it will be missed

[plucky moth]

shadows and dust...

[open marsh]

All Is Dust

[storm jungle]

@cerulean wagon I need your lore expertise

[cerulean wagon]

ohno

[storm jungle]

I started playing spacehulk again, are these suppose to be psykers?

I remembered that fancy hat from this artwork

[cerulean wagon]

Yes those are psykers

[storm jungle]

Damn, what a miserable existence

[cerulean wagon]

if u ever find ur showing an ability get urself sanctioned

blackships are bad but they are better than this

u started noticing the architecture differences yet?

[storm jungle]

I have!

its been A LONG while since i played this so im paying more attention to it now

[cerulean wagon]

👍

[gaunt vector]

i think the best job for a human psyker would probably be a Space Marine Librarian

[cerulean wagon]

uhhh

good luck with that

[gaunt vector]

yeah I know but name one psyker career that would be less unimaginably horrible

[storm jungle]

is being a librarian that bad?

[coarse mirage]

All we are is dust in the wind

[gaunt vector]

you are sent into the worst situations as a space marine, as a psyker, you can hit deamons harder but they can also hit you harder if you make ANY error

[celest dome]

Astropath ? Diviner ?

Oh wait you wanted worse

[gaunt vector]

Astropaths regularly burn themselves out from trying to send messages and are also very high on the "to kill" list for anyone attacking the Imperium

[celest dome]

Psy battery for the Psy Titan Legion would be quite atrocious

[gaunt vector]

Diviners: Idk anything about them tbh

[gaunt vector]

thats just being a servitor but with your soul instead of your body

[coarse mirage]

Gue'la practices are abhorrent.

[celest dome]

Eh not really, most Servitor are Lobotomized/Can't feel pain, you can't really do that to Psyker and expect him to be able to still use his power

[gaunt vector]

true, I was thinking more about how your body or in this case soul ceases to be yours and is exploited until your death

[celest dome]

Tau aren't inherently better (Eugenic and that sort of stuff)

[storm jungle]

Servitors really depend

some are left fully aware almost all the time

[cerulean wagon]

librarians is just SM psykers

[gaunt vector]

true, the Tau suck a lot more than I thought they did at first glance

[storm jungle]

you'd wish the majority would be lobotimized

[cerulean wagon]

so people assume its a better state of being but uhh

yeah

usual SM issues

with added psychosis

[gaunt vector]

plus psyker issues

[storm jungle]

Ahhh alright

[coarse mirage]

Gue'la talk!

[gaunt vector]

also known as "truth" Xeno

[coarse mirage]

You wouldn't know what's Greater Good for you if it came down and shot you from somewhere on teh horizon!

[final spruce]

Dilara turning Deathwing into a 40k museum visit simulator

[cerulean wagon]

isnt that all it is anyway?

[celest dome]

Both the IoM and the T'au Sphere are bad

[coarse mirage]

I think anyone could enjoy Trazyn's museum

[gaunt vector]

... yes.

[storm jungle]

lmao its true, ngl already wished darktide was out the environments really make me crave the game

[gaunt vector]

until he decided that they were one of the exhibits

[cerulean wagon]

theres a reason im so excited

[coarse mirage]

Make sure to dab if Trazyn catches you

[cerulean wagon]

40k is a beautiful setting

very unique despite what people seem to think

[gaunt vector]

that would be heresy.

[coarse mirage]

Trazyn loves novelty

[gaunt vector]

in what world does the dab still have any of its origional novelty?

[coarse mirage]

Warhammer.

[storm jungle]

Yeee, like i can kinda tell theres some parts in the level where the designers were like "did any writer/designer put thought into how the daily lives and corridors in this ship would even look like"

so it comes with its difficulties i imagine haha

[coarse mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/viorla-drone-swarm-warhammer40k-aliens-drones-pathfinder-gif-17564807

sending in the bees

[gaunt vector]

also Trayzn apparently poses his exhibits as he wants. I think he has a squad of sororitas in one display, despite them looking like one unified squad, one of them would still think Goge Vandire was a good guy whilst some of the others may be aware of the great rift.

so you would only dab if Trazyn wanted you to

[coarse mirage]

You're analysing my obviously not serious jokes

[gaunt vector]

of course I am. Why else would we have the adeptus nitpickus

[storm jungle]

I dunno Sauce, yible has a good point

[gaunt vector]

I also leave the possibility that Trazyn WOULD want you to dab

[coarse mirage]

F̷̅̑R̵̛͠O̵̽̽M̵̾̆ ̸̈́̉T̷͛̒Ḧ̷́̄É̸̎ ̶̓͠M̸̍͌O̷̔͒M̵̀͘Ě̵͛N̴͐̾T̴͆͊ ̶̄̇Î̴͝ ̴̊̚R̷͆̽E̷̾̚Ả̵̚L̷͆̒I̷͋́Ź̶̂E̶̿̆D̴͛͠ ̵̡͝T̴͛̾H̶͒͛E̶͒͂ ̶̉́W̸̅̾E̷͂̿Á̶̓K̶̿̈́N̴̏͊Ē̴̔S̷̓̈́S̶͑͘ ̷̿͝Ő̴̎F̵̎̄ ̴̓͝M̶͇̃Y̶̓͗ ̵̈́̿F̵͆͑L̷̍̉Ẻ̴̌Ṡ̴H

[gaunt vector]

lmao

[smoky breach]

Į̡͘T͘͠͠ ͏̙͟D̶͘͞I҉̴͈̀S̶̨͈G̛̖̕U҉̷̘͖S̛͉͢T҉̨̢͘E̡̛͠D̶͠͞ ̸̨̕M̷̨̜E͝͏̢!̵̢͜

[primal tide]

When I asked if they were bestial in appearance, Grekh revealed that he finds it difficult to distinguish one human from another and that felinids, to his eyes, looked no different from me

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/lw1l9w/felinid_abhumans_entry_in_the_new_liber_xenologis

[coarse mirage]

Do Mechanicus still have their souls?

[coarse mirage]

Oh no, cat girls

[primal tide]

Catbois and catgirls in my 40k? It's more likely than you think!

[gaunt vector]

I think so. If they didn't then any psyker standing near them would complain about it as they would be a blank.

[coarse mirage]

Send the Wolves to find the Felinids

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cartoon-tom-chasing-tom-and-jerry-gif-14995944

[gaunt vector]

instant extinction XD

[pseudo dragon]

https://preview.redd.it/5ju01yed5it51.png?auto=webp&s=424da858d507e5b7aa30322b459d5f7b9d6490cd

who are the guys protecting the emperor on the right?

old custodes?

[gaunt vector]

I think so

[coarse mirage]

Necron's don't have souls but aren't blanks like that

[gaunt vector]

They have what apppears to be a custodes badge on their left shoulders

[coarse mirage]

Servitors aren't blanks for example

But since they are wiped, I douytb they retain their souls

I think that being BORN without a soul is what makes you a psychic blank, with all the effects of that.

[storm jungle]

They are tactical custodes with guns

1 sec i forgot their name, imma go to forgeworld real quick

[coarse mirage]

It's Horus ship, so maybe Sons of Horus?

[storm jungle]

Nah they're custodians

[pseudo dragon]

i think horus's guys are behind him, with the eye badge

[storm jungle]

Found em!

[smoky breach]

These can't be custodians, the lacking amount of gold contradicts that.

[storm jungle]

Legio Custodes Sagittarum Guard

[pseudo dragon]

oh sweet

[gaunt vector]

ok, however, that means that there is a difference to a blank and a human without a soul. I sincerely doubt that. The warp trauma that would follow someone who had their soul ripped out would probably have a blank effect

[pseudo dragon]

https://1d4chan.org/images/c/c6/Sagittarum_.jpg

[storm jungle]

Yeee there they are

[coarse mirage]

Yes, and I don't think GW has defined it wlel.

[weak fern]

Some Custodian are purple, black and white if i'm right

[gaunt vector]

That is a very old image I think. Perhaps they were repainted or something? Perhaps the artist just wanted to reserve gold for the Emperor and Sanguinius

[gaunt vector]

I agree

[storm jungle]

Yep i think it was an artistic choice to just make Big E and Sangy stand out

[coarse mirage]

I think that Necrons are just memory engrams of who they used to be. THey're not ACTUALLY who they used to be.

That piece of art is the most iconic in the franchise, for sure

It's made in a way that makes you think it could've been a depiction made in-universe, due to how they're posed, focused and how clear it is who's good and who's bad etc

[storm jungle]

I mean

i thought that was what they are?

since why some of them are literally brain damaged

[gaunt vector]

That would explain why they don't have a psychic blank effect. They are too far removed from their mortal selves. I don't think mechanicus are.

I think a Deamonhost escaped using an Enginseer.

[storm jungle]

I mean necrons dont have souls

so yeah

[gaunt vector]

that would imply the Enginseer had a soul

[storm jungle]

Mechanicus are still human

so of course they'll have em

[coarse mirage]

A contradiction to that was something I misremember a bit, but I think it was something that gave some Necron warriors back their souls or sentience (Ynnead?), and some of them screamed in childrens voices and scary shit like that

[storm jungle]

It was a flashback iirc

a necron destroyer remembering the good ole days

[coarse mirage]

They were confused as to what they were, where they were and so on

But then there's also lightbulb, I forget his name, the Diviner

Orikhan?

I recall him talking about feeling like he had a soul when he entered his energy state

[smoky breach]

Orikan, I think

[fast forge]

It's Orikan ye

[dull flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mNX1pPXrTg

[plush mason]

this is amaing

[gusty heron]

I'm still pissed that the custodes killed the thunder warriors

[storm jungle]

They did it for their own good!

[gaunt vector]

Wh40k's most intese euthanasia debate right here

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside the thunder warriors were made to conquer terra and nothing else alas

[gaunt vector]

yup. I'm just glad there isn't a world eaters edition

[gusty heron]

they deserved better

[gaunt vector]

the vast majority of non chaos affiliated people deserve better

thats not to lessen the blow

or make it insignificant

[gusty heron]

still

[gaunt vector]

its just saddly regular

[gusty heron]

I grew to respect The Thunder Warriors

they were thrust upon the terrors of old earth

[gaunt vector]

I genuinely want to see a conclusion where the matterium (Imperium, craftworlders etc) win to justify all of their sacrafice

[gusty heron]

and did it with loyalty they truely believe in the dream of humanity united

[pseudo dragon]

didn't the culling of the thunder warriors turn some space marines to chaos during the heresy?

like they were worried they would be next to be replaced

[storm jungle]

Uhhh as far as i can remember no marine knows?

im not sure

[gaunt vector]

that might have applied to some of the DA who might have seen it

[gusty heron]

only custodes know

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[gaunt vector]

some of the VERY early DA might have been there

at the culling

[storm jungle]

Oh no they were at the second culling

[gusty heron]

they would have to be terrans

[storm jungle]

it was their first combat engagement

[gusty heron]

and all terrans are dead by mid 31

the original astartes were all terrans

[storm jungle]

They got gene enhancements!

[gusty heron]

who?

the custodes?

the Thunder Warriors remind me of the Gland Warriors

both augmented to frack all, ready to take on chaos but all have short life spans

[final spruce]

Both are upgraded humans in a sense

[gusty heron]

I'd love to see more books with Thunder warriors

or even a lore book about them with ilustrations

[storm jungle]

Honestly we might get them

GW loves sprinkling in any sort of fluff about the past into the Siege of Terra books

[gusty heron]

there was a couple of guys doing thunder warriors minis

they looked amazing

https://www.pinterest.pt/pin/536561743090803882/

https://andyoftheaett.blogspot.com/2020/05/HobbyguideThunderWarrior.html

[storm jungle]

Huh thats neat, i dont thinkive ever seen a thunder warrior kitbash anywhere

[gusty heron]

I've found loads of them

there's even some good pictures of them

[storm jungle]

👀

[gusty heron]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy0prkKXcAEsPbQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RV7NHSg.jpg

https://64.media.tumblr.com/c640e4077897d222af74da8a89ec39a0/tumblr_ph55yae1cW1vjjcaco1_1280.jpg

[storm jungle]

Ayyy thats my boys

[gusty heron]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/0/0e/ThunderArmor.jpg/350px-ThunderArmor.jpg

[plush mason]

wherent the thunder warriors suffering from crippling cancers and shit tho?

[gusty heron]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0a/Thunder_Warrior_Captain.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120420155931

these two are oficial

[dim totem]

I like the baldie

[gusty heron]

they had all types of problems

[primal tide]

That last facemask should be an emote

It's got big "bueno" energy

[dim totem]

mo thunder mo problems

[plush mason]

its like the greek one

[dim totem]

Question

To what degree are all SM just twins

[gusty heron]

https://scontent.fopo4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82380523_2635332956698435_3018138746567524352_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeEMN5tXwg2OQSrRqpjCUoZ0kXYG1axfEYCRdgbVrF8RgAqgs5d6_e86ypsgydEKplE&_nc_ohc=JSjYmpdMSFEAX_B6qmO&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo4-2.fna&oh=97c68ee6ad27588c281de8172588d6da&oe=6063E8E7

this kitbashing is marvelous

[dim totem]

If they all get the same genes spliced in

[plush mason]

they are more like cousions

[storm jungle]

*brothers

its why they already call themselves that

and their primarchs "father"

[plush mason]

yes but gene wise they are cousions

[dim totem]

Like how different can one look from another in the same chapter

[storm jungle]

Oh a lot!

[plush mason]

depends

[storm jungle]

It doesnt matter really

[gusty heron]

they are all different

[dim totem]

Was curious

[plush mason]

namely on the world they com from

[gusty heron]

they just take traits from the primarch

[storm jungle]

^

what Wolf said

[dim totem]

Bc I'm just imagining row after row of brickheads

[storm jungle]

lmao

[gusty heron]

no, they have their own personalities

Sicarius for example is a moronic self centered idiot until he vanished into the warp

when he came back he was slighly better... hehehehe

Uriel Ventris, together with Marneus Calgar, the epitome of the nobility of the Ultramarines

Same with the Wolves, the Angels, the Salamanders.

[storm jungle]

Basically yep

[primal tide]

They are brothers from another mother

[gusty heron]

I remember in the first war for Armageddon, the civilians were all shiped out to labour camps because of Angron's invasion, the Wolves who fought there were utterly against it since they fought as bravely as them, they almost came to blows with the inquisition that time.

and they were right

[storm jungle]

The only event that saves the wolves from me hating them for what they did in the Heresy tbh

[storm jungle]

also i hate this because its true

Erda pls

[gusty heron]

no, they are noble

[primal tide]

Hehehe

[gusty heron]

Ragnar Blackmane is one hell of a character

[storm jungle]

They literally burned propsero to the ground

[gusty heron]

they are just rought around the edges

yeah I heard they changed that with a HH book I need to buy

that Magnus did in fact do something wrong....

I'll have to read about that

[primal tide]

Here we go again

[gusty heron]

I just talk about lore nothing more.

don't care about fights 😉

[storm jungle]

[gusty heron]

Emprah himself is not without censure, he did take Angron away from his friends, when he could have just invaded that coliseum and end those blood games

instead he teleported Angron and left his friends to die there, a grudge he always had until Horus turned him.

[final spruce]

Yeah let's not list everytime Big E fucked up, that's a long list

[gusty heron]

ahahaha

indeed

[primal tide]

Plus, angron was fucked either way

[storm jungle]

The worst part is that only happens so that the Heresy can happen because Plot

Big E could have pulled an STC out of his ass and saved angron willy nilly but see the reason above

[gusty heron]

Angron was not bad at that time even with the nails

[primal tide]

He was still screwed tho

The nails were in and unremovable

[gusty heron]

eventually

but he had honor

[primal tide]

It's no case of eventually, he was in his set path regardless

[gusty heron]

Big E took that away from him

[final spruce]

Angron didn't want to serve the Emperor anyway, he thought of it as remaining a slave but to someone else

[gusty heron]

that's why he should have saved him and his friends

loyalty

not servitude

[primal tide]

That's not how that works

[gusty heron]

but I digress

[primal tide]

"I saved your friends, now do all this shit for me without feeling triggered over your history of being a slave kthx"

[gusty heron]

nope

more like I saved you and your friends so that what you went through will never happen to others, and here's a legion to make that a reality

bigggggggggg difference

[primal tide]

You can sugar coat it however you want, it's still slavery as far angron sees it

[dim totem]

Lots of baggage to consider who carries his single shtick in his name

[gusty heron]

when you let his friends to die and take him away from an honorable death hell yeah he sees it like that

[dim totem]

Angry

[gusty heron]

not sugar coating jack

give a warrior purpose and he will deliver

Angron had honor then.

[gaunt vector]

he also had the butcher's nails. Angron without the nails would have been amazing

[gusty heron]

nails would kill him no doubt

but at least he would have choosen how to die

not serve the chaos gods

a pity to be honest

but again, plot.

more tragic fall of all is Horus himself.

[storm jungle]

Horus was just gullible tbh

Totally trust this guy

[gusty heron]

all the books I read about Horus before he was poisoned he was amazing

kind, honorable, logical.

but then plot 😉

Konrad was always a mess to be honest

[gaunt vector]

yes

[dim totem]

Konrad is my fave

Don't you talk shit about my baby

[gusty heron]

ROFL he was insane.

batman on steroids

[storm jungle]

At least he admits hes evil tbh

[gusty heron]

yeah he did

[storm jungle]

and jealous that Corvus was a better version of him who could do his job and be a good guy

[gusty heron]

heheheh Yep

[primal tide]

Committing suicide by assassin to own the libs

[storm jungle]

He was the protagonist of HATRED basically

https://youtu.be/k-vEEo7RTQ4?t=6

"I JUST FUCKING HATE THIS WORLD."

[gusty heron]

some cool characters from his legion when Aaron made books about.

[gaunt vector]

that sounds like one of the Poems that TTS Corvus has written for the Emperor

the opening dialogue I mean

[gusty heron]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Zso_Sahaal

this guy was really cool to read about him

[gaunt vector]

THE E D G E

[dim totem]

Why play hatred

When you can just play postal 2

[primal tide]

Night lords frustratingly have one of the coolest visual aesthetic imo while also leaving me bored with their identity/flavor

[gusty heron]

I had the same problem until I read Aaron Dembski Bowden books about that character

Zso hated chaos, but he hated everyone else more

[dim totem]

Understandable

[gusty heron]

still, he had his own identity he didn't just hate everyone, they gave him reasons to do so.

his famous line in the first book "scream for meeee" when he was killing a bunch of criminals was poetic.

oh while he was broadcasting all those screams city wide in the vox system btw

[primal tide]

The edgelord shtick is just boring to me

That's all it is

I love the lightning vampire look tho, it's sweet

[gusty heron]

gonna hit the rack

g'night all

[final spruce]

Night

[median sundial]

What exactly was Ferrus's relationship with Fulgrim? Is it friendly at all or did he just tolerate the other?

[gaunt vector]

competetive friendly

then competetive VERY NOT FRIENDLY

[celest dome]

A lot better than the other primarch

[gusty heron]

They were brothers and best friends

[storm jungle]

^

https://i.redd.it/a38u0h2fhhnz.png

[gusty heron]

what @storm jungle said hehehehe

[storm jungle]

[vernal belfry]

dat 8 pack tho

[vast frigate]

If fulgrim hadnt fallen ue wouldve been great at keeping the imperium in order

[gusty heron]

he would have been a great asset

[final spruce]

I like Ferrus but not his sons

[storm jungle]

Unpopular Opinion: the Iron Warriors I MEAN Hands are boring and uninteresting.

[gusty heron]

Hmmm haven't read much about them to make an opinion to be honest

[final spruce]

There are some cool novels like a long dead iron hans that protects a facility with a flesh eating fungus

[wintry mesa]

Salamanders are kinda the best doe...

[gusty heron]

Salamanders are noble aye

[wintry mesa]

They are hot

Literally 😎

[gusty heron]

your generation and your puns... 😏

And Vulkan being an Perpetual doesn't go bad either

[coarse mirage]

Aaaw

[coarse mirage]

Aren't all primarchs perpetual?

[storm jungle]

Nope

if that was true Ferrus would be back

its only Vulkan, and its always been used to the worse advantage by the traitors, especially when Kondrad caught him after the Massacre and tortured him for a long while

AND EVEN TOSSED HIM INTO THE ENGINE OF A STARSHIP

[coarse mirage]

Perpetual just means you don't die of age. It doesn't mean you don't die if someone makes the effort

[storm jungle]

No?

[final spruce]

That's not how they are shown

[coarse mirage]

Oh

[storm jungle]

Yeah

in 40k its a "type" of human

[final spruce]

Yeah because by that definition every marine is potentially a perpetual

[coarse mirage]

Yeah I know Big E and some of his friends were

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWnQedD4BlI

[primal tide]

Perpetual means after you die you reappear just when the plot has big need of you

[storm jungle]

i still dont know how the hell that works

do they like form out of atoms Doctor Manhattan style?

[coarse mirage]

The power of writing

[storm jungle]

https://i.imgur.com/2dmL7dY.gif

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/80339394198547354/2BB166385A2EFBB30A1F6E58B44EB728F26E8551/

[primal tide]

I would normally assume that they are just reincarnated essentially, but with their memories coming back to then eventually

But applying that idea to how it would work with vulcan raises some issues

[storm jungle]

yeah thats what i mean

i doubt its reincarnation?

[coarse mirage]

warp fuckery

[storm jungle]

the warp is involved actually iirc

but ill just go with the doctor manhattan way of respawning

[primal tide]

I vaguely remember some stuff from legion involving john grammaticus where he talks about having gone by many names through his different lives as a perpetual

Which implies he is raised in multiple families over time

And not just poofing into existence

[storm jungle]

I think that could be like an Ollanius Pious thing? Where by "different lives" he probably means all the "persons" he lived as throughout history

until he was like

"Eh time for another identity fitting to the period"

and shedding his identity and going somewhere else

[primal tide]

Time to go digging

[storm jungle]

[gusty heron]

Perpetuals are just immortals that can't die of physical trauma. But they can die of "other means". John Grammaticus remembers the Empy when he was a "regular" human.

[storm jungle]

They can only TRULY die by fulgurite as far as we know

otherwise they always respawn

[primal tide]

Yeah the more reddit threads about it I read, the more it seems like a "machine spirit" or stc situation, where it's a stupid vague blanket term used to describe both beings that never age, as well as those that respawn upon death

[coarse mirage]

The difference between being perpetual and being a perpetual

[primal tide]

That being said, space marines are clearly excluded from the list from an ageless perspective (because they do in fact age) yet it's said they're functionally immortal in a few instances over the years, I'm sort of assuming it's more of a 'super duper long lifespan' thing than anything else

[crisp heath]

this is chapter dependent also

space marines age

slower than humans

but eg blood angels do not if they consume blood

and even if they don't their ageing is slower

[primal tide]

Yep

I'm specifically recalling a super old loyalist luna wolf during the HH who's grizzled as fuck

[barren tapir]

Yes... You can destroy the body of a perpetual, but it will reform and act like nothing has ever happened

[primal tide]

Iacton Qruze

[barren tapir]

Also perpetual cannot die of age...

SM aren't perpetual, they are long lived, but they can still die by age... It is that it take a lot of time... Custodes on the other hand cannot die by age

[vagrant osprey]

How they come back really, REALLY depends

Vulkan has been depicted dying and then getting back up multiple times in the same battle

Other times they just kinda... step out of the warp?

[barren tapir]

The primarch project was a way for the emperor to make perpetuals that wouldn't betray him... SInce, well, many of those did indeed betray him

[vagrant osprey]

IIRC, there is one Astartes who is a perpetual.

[barren tapir]

Yes, a word bearer iirc, which hate bile

Since bile experimented on him for quite some time

[vagrant osprey]

No, the Primarch project was twofold.
1: Test out a plan to force humanity to be the way Emps wanted it to be. A plan to do an end-run around the natural progression of the species and skip to the end.
2: Test out a plan whereby he could create Custodes in a matter of years of minimal involvement instead of centuries of intense labor

[barren tapir]

Nice headcanon

[crisp heath]

sigismund was killed by abbadon primarily because he was old as balls at the time iirc

[vagrant osprey]

That's literally in Master of Mankind.

[barren tapir]

Yup... Warp time dilatation at work

[primal tide]

Sigismund didn't want to go back to the old folks home

[barren tapir]

Sigismund was hellbent on killing all traitors he could...

[storm jungle]

It says that in the book?

I dont remember it much

[primal tide]

I've seen tons of excerpts of MoM, never seen anything referencing that. Surprising cuz that seems like a pretty big deal and i don't see that mentioned as the go-to answer for what the Emperors long term plan was

Kinda weird

[gusty heron]

Who's he?

[barren tapir]

I too never heard of that, but since my knowledge of that book wasn't great i tried to find such an excerpt, since it would be a big thing that people would share for sure... But i still haven't found anything

[barren tapir]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mordrac
This one... Maybe i misremembered, but there should be also a word bearer that helped eldrad kill other perpetuals

[gusty heron]

Didnt know about that one

Thank you

[barren tapir]

Aaaand i misremembered about the word bearers lol, he did became a perpetual

Yo, i found an interesting excerpt from mater of mankind on the knowledge of the warp of the primarchs, it is unrelated to the perpetual/primarch project discussion, but it was too nice to not share

From Master of Mankind

Think on this, then. I prepared them all, this pantheon of proud godlings that insist they are my heirs. I warned them of the warp’s perils. Coupled with this, they knew of those dangers themselves.

The Imperium has relied on Navigators to sail the stars and astropaths to communicate between worlds since the empire’s very first breath. The Imperium itself is only possible because of those enduring souls. No void sailor or psychically touched soul can help but know of the warp’s insidious predation. Ships have always been lost during their unstable journeys. Astropaths have always suffered for their powers. Navigators have always seen horrors swimming through those strange tides. I commanded the cessation of Legion Librarius divisions as a warning against the unrestrained use of psychic power.

One of our most precious technologies, the Geller field, exists to shield vessels from the warp’s corrosive touch. These are not secrets, Ra, nor mystical lore known only to a select few. Even possession by warp-wrought beings is not unknown. The Sixteenth witnessed it with his own eyes long before he convinced his kindred to walk a traitor’s path with him. That which we call the warp is a universe alongside our own, seething with limitless, alien hostility. The primarchs have always known this. What difference would it have made had I labelled the warp’s entities “daemons” or “dark gods"?

This also confirm to me that calling the chaos "gods" and demons simply warp entities is approved by big e himself

[storm jungle]

damn it Big E

[coarse mirage]

The Imperial Truth. Calling them gods gives them power.

[barren tapir]

Nah, not really, but it is a good anchor to let people follow those entities

It is not calling them gods that give them power, it is the emotion connected to the notion of them being gods that empower them

The Imperial Truth was about the removal of the notion of gods, that is true, but not because calling the chaos entities gods give them power...

[open marsh]

Yeah. Fabius Bile mentioned that, as did Guilliman

They knew "things" existed in the warp

But the Imperial Truth was that these "things" were non-sentient. Merely beasts conjured up from the imagination

[barren tapir]

From bile i already knew, big crazy atheist guy lol... From guillman i didn't, but it doesn't surprise me... But they are big e...

[open marsh]

I find it hilarious that Fabius Bile, even now, follows the Imperial Truth

[barren tapir]

Also that they were yes entities, but not worthy of worship anyway

[barren tapir]

He also like to tell that to imperium forces too

[open marsh]

yep

I liked when that Keeper of Secrets got onboard his ship (he let it in to test a new anti-daemonic weapon he developed). And the whole time he is just shitting all over it. Refusing to recognize that it could possibly be sentient. Saying that it was nothing more than an illusion, and that its appearance of sentience is likewise just an illusion. No more sentient than the vision of someone you meet when dreaming

Before promptly shooting it in the face with said anti-daemonic weapon (a dart filled with a serum made from the distilled blood of psychic nulls). One shot killing it

[barren tapir]

LOL

[open marsh]

Yeah. It was great

[crisp heath]

big dick fabulous bill

[gusty heron]

Ahahaha flavius knows how yo make an entrance that's for sure...

[primal tide]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/bolxt3/book_excerpt_clonelord_daemons_hate_being_around

Daemons rekt by facts and logic

All the fabius stuff is excellent

[barren tapir]

Uuuuhhh, this is going into the excerpt collection

This is proof of what another person said to me... But sadly that person said that she heard it from a loretuber so i was empty handed... Until now... Thanks Chapin

[primal tide]

👍

[final spruce]

chapin comin in clutch

[vagrant osprey]

The part about Daemons being story-things, and not actually sentient?

Because yeah, they're basically just automata.

[gaunt vector]

haha angy spirit servitor go brrrrrrrrrr

[barren tapir]

Oh, and that excerpt show that, exactly like faith help defeating demons, the Imperial Truth can do that too!! Which is definitely better, as you would have fanatics going around burning everyone that disagree with them and being labelled as heretics... And it will not stop technological rennovation and progress...

[primal tide]

It's satisfying to see strong un-faith be just as potent as faith itself

[tender wharf]

so, as a person knows next to nothing of 40k lore and etc, what would you say is top 10 things to know

[plush mason]

that erebus is trash

[storm jungle]

@cerulean wagon I summon the lore master for guidance

[tender wharf]

noted, il make sure to immediately trash and demish any mention of the man

[cerulean wagon]

wassup

Kinda hard to say cause its a pretty big setting, do you know the main factions at least?

[tender wharf]

to a degree

[cerulean wagon]

lemme finish this mission then i'll give u some stuff

[tender wharf]

thank

[copper heart]

If AI is banned within the imperium, how do servo skulls work? Can they somehow ""program"" something onto a brain, slap it into a servo skull and call it a day?

[gaunt vector]

Servo Skulls are relatively simplistic.

[final spruce]

If its banned it doesn't mean its not used

[gaunt vector]

We probably have the ability to program the "personality" of a servo skull already, it would just have faster proscessing, the ability to float and look a lot cooler

a servo skull is basically a modern drone with a built in and sometimes encrypted Alexa

[cerulean wagon]

ye its basically a labotamized servant

[copper heart]

Amazing. And servitors are lobotomized regular people i assume

[cerulean wagon]

they function the same but a servo skull is just the skull where a servator can range from barely nothing attatched to a cyber construct through too a full meat man strapped with weapons

[gaunt vector]

it can be a kind of honour, you did well enough in life for your skull to be useful in your death

when anyone looks at a servoskull, they know that skull achieved something in life and was someone to look up to

[cerulean wagon]

My general advise for 40k is this
-No faction is the best faction or the "good guys", they all have interesting points but are horrifying in their own ways so find the bits you like about them (I'm an IG man myself)
-theres a scale to everything. 40k settings can range from a small band of 4 people to an army of millions, and the setting adjusts to fit it. Don't be too surprised if people drop some absurd number, or if the math doesnt check out
-as a side note to that, it also means theres room for pretty much anything in 40k, ranging from samurai guardsmen to sympathetic chaos cults
-40+ years of lore is a lot to sift through, get a little info on each faction then start from a corner you like, theres bound to be something, and always feel free to ask questions here if u want some extra info
-Good starting points if you want some stories is Ciaphas cain or Eisenhorn, both are fantastic entry points to the setting and do a good job of being familiar to other media but very 40k

• no matter what anyone tells you, joining a cult (tyranid, chaos or otherwise) is horrifying, but the way the cults operate is incredibly neat
  -the RPG books are a great place to get little lore bits if you don't want to dig too deep
  -skim the wikis for information but be prepared for some of it to be wrong, retcons abound so its hard for them to keep track of it all

Outside of that are there any factions you have an interest in or bits you have found neat so far?

its hard to give anything concrete off the top of my head as "10 most important facts" because the lore is so huge, its mostly about how you interpret it or interact with it

[tender wharf]

i wasn't expecting to substantial since i know of the meme of war hammer lore its self , ive seen sparce of astaris to comical paper cut out videos on YT war hammer realted, i think main thing is really what this game circumvents around, other then some infest and mischief group of people being sent in to deal with

and thank you

[cerulean wagon]

np

So DT as far as we are aware

we are convicts, mostly ex imperial guard, who have been employed by an inquisitor and sent into the underhive atoma prime

[gaunt vector]

thank you for putting that out here. Are we allowed to pin it because that is genuinely good for ppl to see?

[cerulean wagon]

We are facing a nurgle cult and the traitor regiments of the Moebian 6th

you'd have to ask the mods haha

[gaunt vector]

@plucky moth ?

[tender wharf]

moebian 6th, def will have to poke some stuff inside that

[cerulean wagon]

we have no info on them yet

[final spruce]

It's made for the game

[cerulean wagon]

they are a new unique regiment made by fatshark

[final spruce]

They don't exist outside of it

[cerulean wagon]

They are the guys in the trailer with the green light gasmasks and the khanate design

[tender wharf]

apprciate skele

maybe i should drag my 40k nerd friend in here

[cerulean wagon]

np, try and help where i can

[vagrant osprey]

Also: While there are no "good guys", there are definitely bad guys.

However, just because somebody is a monster doesn't mean they're not necessarily beloved by the fanbase. See: Fabious Bile.

[tender wharf]

@regal jewel i thought youd enjoy this

[limpid hedge]

Ye

And then you have guys that are meant to be the biggest worse baddies. But they kinda just turn into memes. For example Abbadon.

Don’t take stuff too too seriously

[dim totem]

I think the planet is called atoma prime, the hive is called tertium

[vernal belfry]

No one is really the "bad guy", not in their own mind where the end justify their means

[gusty heron]

Be as it may I always side with humanity.

I like the Tau since they are "good", but in the end Mankind comes first always for me. Still pisses me off the 40k society though, love the Imperial Truth and that dream.

[storm jungle]

I mean if there was no humanity in the setting it wouldnt sell so ye lol

[final spruce]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/lxa3g2/excerpt_pharos_a_cynical_pdf_soldier_on_why_they/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[storm jungle]

"We little people were always the weak link in the Emperor’s vision, weren’t we? Quarrelsome as children, always more likely to turn on our saviours. Not like the Legiones Astartes, conquering sons of the Emperor."

[gusty heron]

well even the Astartes betrayed the vision so meh...

[final spruce]

Oh no he was being sarcastic

Aka even the author aknowledging that

[gusty heron]

I read the entire thing now, he's right. Get a proper tool to solve the problem. hehehe

[crude fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mNX1pPXrTg in case no-one seen this yet

[gusty heron]

seen it and loved it!

that got my military blood boiling

[crisp heath]

everyone gangsta til the death korps gets on their horses

[vernal belfry]

Everybody gangsta until the orks start falling back

[barren tapir]

Oh, that remind me that there was an IG regiment that made orks wary of shadow well before kayvan shrike of the raven guard made the same

[gusty heron]

Tanith?

Ohh Catachans!

[barren tapir]

Nope and nope

Although they too could do that...

[gusty heron]

you're going to tell us or we are going to play "imperial fifty questions of heresy"?

[barren tapir]

Sure, i wanted to see if you wanted to keep guessing... The noctan IG regiments

[gusty heron]

Noctan?

hmm never heard of them, lexicanum here I go

[barren tapir]

They are old

Noctan strike forces iirc their name

[gusty heron]

ohhh I like them....

thank you for it

[barren tapir]

👍🏻

[barren tapir]

They are really nice indeed

[vagrant osprey]

I just heard someone say that GW is reconning the fall of Magnus so that he kills Malcador and then tries to kill the Emperor. Is this true, or is this a game of telephone gone horribly wrong?

I'm assuming GW isn't doing something that stupid, but I want to verify.

[coarse mirage]

why is it that the souls of elves in Warhammer fantasy also god to Slaanesh?

[serene eagle]

They don't?

That's a 40k thing

[celest dome]

no they do in a way, Slaanesh loves elves and try to steal the soul of the dead but the fantasy god are faster to take them

in AoS Slaanesh was bitchslapped and is getting shanked for her lunch money

this liberated the Sea elve and some elves that kept their identity

[summer niche]

more like slaanesh got bonked by the horny police

can't market this shid to kids

reeeee

[atomic pelican]

Yea its less that slaanesh is directly connected to elves and more that elves usually live the most decadent lives, and are thus slaanesh's preferred meal in both WHF and AoS

[gaunt vector]

ok but what about the redo of the fall of magnus?

because that is worrying

[vast frigate]

Its not something ive heard anywhere

also remember that explicit retconning doesnt really happen unless GW really needs to change something

[barren tapir]

I heard the same, with Malcador being killed by magus but then resuscitated by another perpetual... Utter BS for me

[vagrant osprey]

If Malcador didn't get his soul burned away then he would come back from death, and if Malcador was alive then the Imperium would be fine

The Custodes took orders from Malcador, and the Imperial House is nearly capable of fighting the Imperium if it came to it.

And between Emps and Malcador, Malcador was the wise one.

Also: Perpetuals aren't supposed to be able to resurrect each other.

[odd sparrow]

slaanesh was the original elffucker

we stan

[vagrant osprey]

That's just a normal psyker thing.

Not a Perpetual thing

Slaanesh is mad at the Eldar because they caused the warpstorms that finished off the human Federation, and the Federation was IDIC and that's Slaanesh's jam.

Warp things don't understand time, so it makes sense for Slaanesh to be mad at their parents because their birth killed their favorite show :V

[storm jungle]

Hum?

I thought she enjoyed th eldar empire far much more since they were psychic as fuck AND decadent as fuck

[vagrant osprey]

Yeah, and they killed that with warp storms too :V

This is headcanon; it just seems right that Slaanesh is mad at her parents because they made a mess of things she liked when she was born :V

[storm jungle]

Ah okay, i was like "this isnt said anywhere in lore is it"

[vagrant osprey]

Yeah, nah, sorry, I should have said that.

TBH, Slaanesh would probably be a lot more chill if there weren't 3 other ruinous powers intent on eating them.

[final spruce]

It's a Chaos god

It will never be chill sadly

[vagrant osprey]

It'll never be chill, but it can still be less not-chill

[odd sparrow]

my hc of chaos gods is that they're what happens to those online intelligent learning bots upon exposure to the internet. they can never be not-absolutely-fuckawful when they're being exposed to and being shaped by all the worst nonsense imaginable

[vagrant osprey]

That's basically correct.

[odd sparrow]

they're sorta just [all the shitty stuff manifested into this weird sorta god]

[vagrant osprey]

Every thought, every dream, every wish, becomes true in the warp.

That's how you get daemons.

They're thoughts made tangible.

Similar thoughts collect together and get stronger.

IIRC, GW was inspired by Jung's collective unconscious when thinking up the warp

[vernal belfry]

That also mean that somewhere in the warp, there is a cotton candy field and houses with beer on tap

[vagrant osprey]

Probably, yes.

[vernal belfry]

I like the warp more

[vagrant osprey]

TBH, it's probably on the remnants of Cadia, and the remaining guards who couldn't evacuate are defending it to this very day.

[barren tapir]

Agree, and it is a shared take

[coarse mirage]

But why do they have waystones to keep elven souls safe after death?

[barren tapir]

Because slaneesh in fantasy loved elves souls too, the only difference is that in fantasy she/he/whatever wasn't created by the elves, it was already present

[atomic pelican]

Yee^

[coarse mirage]

Then Slaanesh just sits there waiting to pluck whichever one they find?

[atomic pelican]

Moreso that slaanesh has like, hard-cucked the elf god of death and just takes all of them that are unprotected

[barren tapir]

Yes

[odd sparrow]

it's sorta the mine pigeons except for elf souls

,, seagulls even

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-mine-seagulls-disney-animated-gif-3491809

[vagrant osprey]

Elves and Eldar have heightened senses, so they have stronger experiences. That's why Slaanesh wants them in WF

Because they can experience highs and lows that would burn out the related parts of a human brain :V

(Disregarding that it doesn't make a lot of sense, since neurons of all types normalize out and are gain-limited, meaning that heightened senses works out to a lower fidelity precision per volume, and a lower maximum response)

(Which is why dogs seem to be fine smelling anything unless it physically burns the inside of their nose)

(Science!)

It turns out it's really easy to desensitize, and really hard to fry neurons.

[coarse mirage]

BUt then, dogs can smell cancer, low blood sugar and other things you'd not expect to be giving off a smell.

I suppose that since they're made for it, they don't react to it as much. Like they're used to it.

Like hearing a single voice in a room full of people.

[vagrant osprey]

Yep.

Dogs have super sensitive noses, and one result of that is that they don't have as strong a high-end response.

[crisp heath]

more sensory sensitivity can still incite a stronger emotional reaction however

[vagrant osprey]

It turns out it doesn't actually work like that.

A higher sensitivity means there's more results, and more results means weaker associations.

Humans have extremely good vision and a weak sense of smell, but we form much stronger emotional responses to smell than vision. This is because smell has lower stimulation and thus events become more significant

[crude fern]

Malcador died ... But he got better

[vagrant osprey]

So, when are they going to retcon the Imperial Creed out of existence? Because Malcador would not tolerate that existing.

[storm jungle]

He does tho

it was his entire idea at first

[barren tapir]

Eeeeehhh, he was stated that for him it was a tool, in fact he gave shelter to the proto-imperial followers

[storm jungle]

^

His entire attitude was "we'll see if it works or not"

quite literally

[barren tapir]

^^

[vagrant osprey]

Fair, but this is not a tool

[barren tapir]

He really didn't cared much, he saw religion as dumb, but an interesting tool that could be useful

[vagrant osprey]

It went way out of hand almost immediately

[barren tapir]

It is in the beginning, it is until humans fuck it up, like with all the precedent religions

[vagrant osprey]

Generally religions start fucking up when their founders die.

[barren tapir]

Yep

[vagrant osprey]

Malcador would be Paul; the rock on which the church was built

[primal tide]

Rocks are overrated

[vagrant osprey]

I still can't see the Creed going off the rails like it did if Malcador was around.

Not with him explicitly being the head of the Inquisition, and thus Ordo Hereticus

[barren tapir]

If Malcador was present it would probably been left around for some millennia, then crushed utterly IMO

[vagrant osprey]

Exactly.

[barren tapir]

The Ordo Hereticus wasn't part of the original inquisition though

The original inquisition had only malles and xenos iirc

[vagrant osprey]

The original Inquisition didn't actually have any Ordos.

[barren tapir]

Unless xenos isn't retconnect as after the war of the beast

Ah, i remembered wrongly, it was just the ordo malleus at the start, but since it was the only inquisition it wasn't formally established yet... After the war of the beast the ordo xenos was formed, so to divide it from the original inquisition the ordo malleus was formed as well

While hereticus is created after the age of aspostasy

[vagrant osprey]

Yep

[barren tapir]

It all make sense... I just misremembered the xenos creation

[vagrant osprey]

The Ordo Scriptus and Ordo Scriptorum also date back to the original Inquisition

[barren tapir]

Although truth be told, big e wanted the original inquisition to also keep an eye on the threats within too

[barren tapir]

Are you sure about this?

[vagrant osprey]

Yes.

[barren tapir]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ordo_Scriptus

[vagrant osprey]

fff...

Then who was I thinking of?

[barren tapir]

Let me read your mind... Oh right... I cannot

[vagrant osprey]

Your snark is noted.

[barren tapir]

I think that you remember that the original inquisition was divided in two branches, one was the SM that founded the grey knights and the other is what would became the actual inquisition...

8 sm and 4 normal humans were gathered... So i don't think that those 4 humans started dividing themself already in more than one "ordo"

[vagrant osprey]

Didn't we literally just cover that the original Inquisition had no Ordos?

Then talk about how and when they split into the different major Ordos?

[barren tapir]

Then this isn't correct

The Ordo Scriptus and Ordo Scriptorum also date back to the original Inquisition

[vagrant osprey]

Are you seriously starting a pedantic argument now?

[barren tapir]

As the inquisition didn't have any ordo until after the war of the beast no ordo minoris can trace back to the origin of the inquisition

[vagrant osprey]

side-eyes

[barren tapir]

You were asking of what you were thinking of when talking about ordo that traced back to the origin of the inquisition

I merely said that since ordos weren't a thing at the origin no ordo, especially minoris, can trace back to the origin

[vagrant osprey]

After the war of the beast the original inquisition split into Ordos. From there every Ordo has its origins in either the original Inquisition, from which they split directly, or another Ordo that their Inquisitor broke from.

[barren tapir]

Aaahhh, ok, that...

[vagrant osprey]

And "minoris" doesn't mean "new", it means "small"

[barren tapir]

True, but some are small because are new

Ok, i got one, the ordo astartes

[vagrant osprey]

That's not really relevant; there have always been Inquisitors monitoring communications inside the Imperium.

That's an older minor Ordo, yeah

[coarse mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-eye-roll-oh-man-mock-gif-4968945

[barren tapir]

Good stuff

[final spruce]

Looks great

[gaunt vector]

that's amazing

can anyone tell what they are fighting?

[vagrant osprey]

Imperial Fists?

Or super mutants.

[final spruce]

After zooming it, there is nothing I can spot

[atomic pelican]

They're just helping out with deconstructing some old ruins

Guy on the bottom right wasn't wearing his hard hat

[gaunt vector]

lmao probably

My best guess judging from the yellow on the wreckage is that it could be gangers or orks

probably gangers because orks don't seem the type to take cover well enough for us not to see them

[primal tide]

Theyre fighting tzeench, he's disguised his daemons as rubble and has completely surrounded them

[plucky moth]

they're fighting the inexorable march of time, the knowledge that all is fleeting and regrets are mounting

[gaunt vector]

ok Nurgle

[plucky moth]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-daemons-demons-gif-20223678

[gaunt vector]

brush your teeth heretic

[dull flame]

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/035/422/698/4k/elijah-arhpriest-vargarian-guard-triumph.jpg?1614905386

[barren tapir]

I just saw this... Really nice depiction of the iron warriors... Especially the normal humans

[dull flame]

Iron Warriors ❤️

[primal tide]

Found this old depiction of the chaos gods on reddit

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/1/12/15611_sm-Artwork%2C Chaos%2C Copyright Games Workshop%2C Khorne%2C Nurgle%2C Slaanesh%2C Slaves To Darkness%2C Tzenntch.JPG

[peak hamlet]

Not a huge fan of shoulder pads beeing that low on space marines. Looks pretty weird, especially on the dude with the hammer/power fist. Nice artwork tho

[primal tide]

It's pretty metal, but apparently something about nurgle has actually been successfully sanitized..

[peak hamlet]

Why does nurgles icon look like a dick tho 👀

[primal tide]

Lmao right?

[storm jungle]

lol

IT ACTUALLY DOES

[peak hamlet]

Probably one of the reasons they changed it

[primal tide]

Yeah for sure

It has me cracking up tho

Nurgle fat bastard confirmed

[peak hamlet]

Similar to the rogue trader nazi orks i think

They literally had swastika on them

[storm jungle]

lmao

british punkiness be wack

[broken shell]

Back when the Dark Millennium was just Thatcher's Britain

[rotund siren]

Wow, fucking superb burn there, genuinely awesome work

[open marsh]

I mean, Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka's middle and last names were chosen to sound like Margret Thatcher

"Mag Uruk Thraka"

[broken shell]

Yeah it wasn't me that made that connection

[dull flame]

Banshee almost done charging her special attack.