40k-lore-chat

[vagrant osprey]

It gets REALLY bad if you factor the size of hive cities into things; with the sort of population density you get from a total population of 4 quadrillion dispersed across various hives humanity would actually be completely doomed. Not because of any outside threat or internal conflict, but because people could wander their hives for their entire lives and not come across evidence of another human who wasn't part of their family.

4 quadrillion is about the right population for a single hive city

[odd sparrow]

40k don't do logistics, especially as it relates to space marines. Given like, hella authors are convinced that there are gonna be entire planetary battlelines composed entirely of marines

[vagrant osprey]

They don't do numbers

[odd sparrow]

this is also accurate

[vagrant osprey]

A+ profile pic, btw.

[odd sparrow]

my hc is definitely that like, the majority of technically imperial planets are sorta just mostly untamed wilderness with small native populations and some like, pertinent resources that impbois are interested in. I picture there not being very many hive cities at all

or at least like,, that's how i rationalise how apparently big and important hive planets are

given the size of the imperium it can sorta seem weird how like. oh noes they're going to take armageddon this will be such a catastrophy for the imperium's military infrastructure! like sir no unless hive worlds are incredibly rare then this shouldn't even make like a dent

a million is a lot of planets

and thanks! I lowkey haven't watched the show yet but my friend is like, gushing at me and recommending me profile pics

i love her tbh

[vagrant osprey]

Neat, it's a pretty good show.

TBH, 4 quadrillion on even a single hive world would be low enough to be a problem.

Imagine NYC with 1/10,000th as many people living in it.

And Terra is a hive planet that's made of two cities; the Imperial Palace city, and the rest of the planet

[plush mason]

it would be a lot less crowed

but then you can also argue that there is barely any real reason for such massive cities to exist in the first place

[vagrant osprey]

The cities exist is the thing.

[plush mason]

yes

and iirc terra has been on life support ever sence

[vagrant osprey]

So they would be desolate, mostly abandoned structures, rather than being cramped with all the bodies.

[plush mason]

the real problem there is that their propuctivity would plumet

[odd sparrow]

i have no idea if anyone has like

actually tried to justify why hive cities exist

[plush mason]

you cant really

[ashen lake]

atmosphere or lack there of

[odd sparrow]

i guess u could just take the it makes sense to build as high and as far away from the surface when the surface is a polluted hellhole approach but

[plush mason]

but didnt most hive cities make that problem in the first place?

[vagrant osprey]

I think the best argument is that they started off as arcologies

[crisp heath]

the total numbers in wh40k are absolutely arbitrary

[odd sparrow]

i sorta picture it as like. cities spread across the majority of the planet, the planet become a desolate hellhole, then people decide given that even touching the surface melts my arm, lets make big towers to live in that are far away from this bullshit

[ashen lake]

it's more like "humanity built a settlement here when they weren't dumb and regressed; humanity continues to live there and clings to the remnants of what a more capable humanity built before them, causing said thing to become progressively more overcrowded untenable"

[vagrant osprey]

Then the Emperor came in and said "Ok, I don't want anybody thinking they can survive without me, so now there's going to be forge worlds, agri worlds, and hive worlds, so you'll either have no weapons, or starve if I say so"

[crisp heath]

i'd say it would be more accurate to just give approximate population density

rather than actual numbers

[odd sparrow]

yea that's a lot more descriptive

[crisp heath]

and the approximate population density in a hive would be in the thousands per square km

[plush mason]

that makes the most sence tbh

[ashen lake]

hive worlds are un-terraformed worlds or worlds where terraforming is not complete

[vagrant osprey]

Arcologies are HUGE self-sufficient buildings where nobody actually needs to ever leave them, and the EXACT sort of thing the DAoT would do.

[ashen lake]

poisonous atmosphere, etc.

[vagrant osprey]

They are explicitly not, Gren.

[crisp heath]

hive worlds can be terraformed but overpopulated/later polluted

[vagrant osprey]

Necromunda was terraformed and then built into a hive world.

[crisp heath]

unless you consider the extensive artificial atmospheres etc in many hive worlds to be terraforming too

[ashen lake]

well that one don't make much sense then

[crisp heath]

in which case they p much are all terraformed.

[vagrant osprey]

It'd have to be per cubic km, since these aren't flat structures.

[crisp heath]

yep

but i can't do ^3 numbers in my head

[plush mason]

the hive cities themselves turn the world into toxic hellholes

[cerulean wagon]

pretty much ye

some worlds are just

[plush mason]

with their relentless indestry and production

[cerulean wagon]

modern life

[odd sparrow]

we stan

[crisp heath]

hive worlds themselves produce the majority of planetary pollution yes

[odd sparrow]

modern life with occasional space cathedrals coming over to take ur kids to fight space bugs in cosmic wars

[crisp heath]

and even hive worlds vary though

[odd sparrow]

also the slight chance of space bugs

[crisp heath]

because you can have hive worlds with a couple dispersed hives

or ones that have most of their surface and seas covered in continuous structures

[odd sparrow]

or angry green ppl hiding in the woods that u have to routinely burn out before they figure out how to make nukes

[cerulean wagon]

some imperial worlds are like

untouched

no ships, no real issues

[crisp heath]

many eg agriworlds or mining words only have working populations

[ashen lake]

40k lore has a lot of "chefs" in the "kitchen" so to speak. one idea might be grounded in a reasonable premise but then someone else might come along and toss that premise out the window so... your options are to 1.) suspend your disbelief, 2.) re-arrange your headcanon so it makes more sense, or 3.) just not worry about it

[plush mason]

iirc necromunda is just the first hive of its world and the largest

[ashen lake]

I suppose there is a 4th option where you do decide to worry about it, but that seems unreasonably tedious

[crisp heath]

i treat more reasonable lore as more canon

and if none of the lore is more reasonable i sub in an explanation based on my research and knowledge

i made the lore and map to one hive world which was of the dispersed hives sort (for meta reasons of campaigns, but also because it wasn't such a huge important world)

[plush mason]

but you could argue that 40k was never meent to be reasonable nore logical

[ashen lake]

I mean there's plenty of well-written lore for 40k... and plenty of not-so-well written lore. Different authors are going to bring their own philosophies to the table.

[odd sparrow]

it's as grounded as the author decides it to be yea

[crisp heath]

nothing c s goto wrote is canon

[plush mason]

i mean the imperium is literaly the worst parts of humanity and its history rolled into one hellscape

[ashen lake]

hehe

[odd sparrow]

some authors wanna write interesting engaging grounded sci fi, some authors just wanna focus on unique and well developed characters

some authors just fucking hate elves

[crisp heath]

c s go to hell

[odd sparrow]

aaand most authors wanna write bolter porn uwu

[plush mason]

uwu

[vagrant osprey]

Primus was the first hive on Necromunda. Secudus was the second. It's called Necromunda because it has a history of death and it thinks it's special.

[plush mason]

ty

[ashen lake]

surely no other planet in 40k has ever had an unfortunate series of events befall it

[crisp heath]

i also made crossections of a hive to visualize a map

[ashen lake]

noice

[vagrant osprey]

The name is literally "Corpse mountain" or "Mountain of corpses", and that's not something the Federation would have named their first colony world.

Remember: The DAoT is Star Trek: The Next Generation with the serial numbers filed off.

And not completely filed off at that.

[ashen lake]

also: the Quietude is the Borg

[crisp heath]

i know shit all about star trek so i imagine DAoT to be completely incomprehensible and unimaginable to the actual 40k people

[vagrant osprey]

TBH, 30k would be completely incomprehensible and unimaginable to the actual 40k people, and things were not much better then.

[ashen lake]

anyone read/listened to Prospero Burns?

Imperium encounters lost DAoT remnant of humanity that have basically married their hologram waifus and gone into a full simulation. Like their planet is literally just one big server farm and the vast majority of their 'people' are just alive in the simulation it's running, and the physical layer is just tended by maintenance and soldier constructs... which look very much like the borg (spooky robutt bodies with pale face... except in this case the face is like a hologram rather than a fleshy HR Giger-looking thing). But they have the borg staples... adaptive shields, assimilate or GFYS, blah blah, etc.

fanart but you get the idea

Imperial Army asks for help, Space Wolves show up to help; Mechanicum wants to study the borgtech but the Space Wolves ruin that plan by brutalizing everything and the Mechanicum makes angry modem noises.

[vagrant osprey]

That happens a lot, sadly.

[rotund siren]

"Oh, you're living peacefully and not doing anything to affect anything at all?" murders you and everyone you know

[vagrant osprey]

A"We found an STC!"
E"Is it another drawing on a napkin, or a cool gun you looted off a corpse?"
A"Neither! It's a planet that develops new technology to counter everything we attempt to do!"
E:"Fantasic! Destroy it completely so that humanity can never recover its lost legacy! MY WAY OR DIE!"

[rotund siren]

;-;

[ashen lake]

well I don't think it ever made it's way back to the emperor

if I remember, the crusade fleet shows up, borg dudes are like "hey what's up, we're the legitimate successors of human civilization, join up and get plugged in to our big MMO" and the imperium obviously politely declined; anyway the imperial army tries to invade the planet, the planet defends itself by sealing itself in an immensely thick sheet of ice

[crisp heath]

space wolves, about as fun as a raw potato.

[ashen lake]

the imperial army meanders around for months or years on it trying to drill or blast through it, getting unpleasant things done to them by the various other planetary defenses

finally are like "space vikings halp pls"

space woofs show up, take over a big-ass moon-sized satellite that the borgies control

mechanicum is like "hey cool we want that"

space woofs are like "you can have it after we're done with it lol" and proceed to ram the moon-sized satellite into the planet to crack the ice and then invade the giant planet-sized server farm through the hole that the moon crashing into the ice made

[barren tapir]

Necromunda was the name given bby the imperial fist to the planet, after they faced and enemy that destroyed much of the planet... Before that Necromunda was know as Araneus, capital of the Araneus Continuity, an human independent civilization that was six solar system wide

[barren tapir]

Most of the things that the fleets did wasn't ordered by the big e

About the "borg" civilization, the olamic quietude, when they met the SM they couldn't believe they were humans, nor that they were civilized, and they didn't wanted them to joi the quietude, they wanted to kill them all

Hive worlds are a very small percentage of all the worlds of the imperium, the most frequent one are those that fall into the civilised world... Which vary enormously...

[barren tapir]

Objectively wrong, like many of yours take on big e it seems... Not only those category weren't really made by him, but thinking that he wanted the worlds to have no weapons go in plain contrast to what the emperor demanded from each world, to be capable to defend itself autonomously...
Also forge world were made by the Ad. Mech. expedition fleets sent during the age of strife... The imperial counterpart would be an industrial world, like vostroya

[fringe hawk]

Cawl would probally explore the shit out of a planet filled with AI

[frosty tulip]

Blackshields. a fun way to introduce some || heresy || totally loyal men to your battle-groups.

[marsh grail]

I only like salamander black shields so you have to bend over backwards to make it look like you didn’t just use black primer and call it a day.

[open marsh]

Deathwatch has a mini-Lufgt Huron as a Watch Captain.

Andar Scarion

His lightning claw isnt nearly as fucking sweet tho

Lufgt Huron had by far the coolest looking Lightning Claw in 40k.
too bad it was lowkey chaos corrupted

[frosty cobalt]

Anyone know about this genestealer held world really close to terra?

[cerulean wagon]

theres stealers on terra

[frosty cobalt]

Yea read about the custodes stompin them but i found it funny how a whole former forge world still is in xeno control that deep into imperial territory

Just now looking at the map, Gathalamor is stealer infested too

Its amusing to me that terra has a dark mechanicum and a stealer world pretty close to it

[fringe hawk]

Terra probably haves a shit load of people responsible to keep those nasty things out of Terra, so they are close but not inside (I assume)

[barren tapir]

There is a fortress world held by the iron warriors iirc in the segmentum solar too, no need to gout of that segmetum to find world held by the enemies of mankind

[frosty cobalt]

Yea theres an ork world right on the edge too. Its just funny to me cause it perfectly describes the imperium. Even the heart of the empire, the place the avg imperial citizen probably believes to be impenetrable, is full of enemies of all kinds.

[vast frigate]

Its easy you see

[vagrant osprey]

Weird how 40k never seems to name stars, and generally only has like one planet per system.

[vast frigate]

just fucking obliterate their stars

Well they never go into the other relevant planets in the system because thats it

also, star systems are often called by the name the planets are given in sub categories

HB-187-Delta might be Cadia, for example, but the easiest way to keep track of planets is to call a star Cadia prime and any other planets around it 1/2/3/4/5 based on orbit distance

not a great example but you get the idea

[storm jungle]

Also to be honest

would any 40k writer even want to bother unless that particular section is gonna get any lore?

I thought it was mostly a case of that

[vagrant osprey]

There's generally lots of resources in a system besides habitable planets. You can build a forgeworld on a dead world; 40k never used Venus AFAIK, but they absolutely could

You can build a hiveworld on a dead world, too. Most hiveworlds would be dead if they didn't have so many people living on them anyway

[crisp heath]

i'd say if the planet is important enough it may get a name

if it's not it might just be given a designation, or a name and number based on who discovered or rediscovered the system or who settled it

when i was making the lore for our campaign i only named habitable and perused planets

[frosty cobalt]

"The Milky Way contains at least one planet per star, resulting in 100–400 billion planets, according to a January 2013 study of the five-planet star system Kepler-32 with the Kepler space observatory."

thats alot of space

id imagine a good few got crunched anywhere between now and then but still

-in the warp
-cronched by tech
-crounched by nids (still around)
-hidden by other means

[peak hamlet]

Plus there are also planets without a star

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet

[frosty cobalt]

could totally see a SM chapter or a CSM warband chillin on one of those

[open marsh]

It would be a dead world

no light, no life

Best to be used for mining. even then would have to keep it well supplied to keep the crews alive

[plush mason]

sounds like the nightlord's dream world

[open marsh]

I mean. you wouldnt be able to survive there at all

It would be too cold, even for an astartes

[plush mason]

if they can survive the cold of deepspace they can survive on such a world assuming the world has its atmosphear still

plus if the world has its atmosphear intact it would retain a little bit of its heat

[open marsh]

A world that cold wont have an atmosphere

atleast not a breathable one on any level

Considering oxygen will be liquid at best

[plush mason]

dont the humans of 40k have means of making their own oxygen?

[open marsh]

Planets can be terraformed, tho it takes decades or centuries and alot of mechanicum/mechanicus attention. And even then, on such a world, in order to keep the atmosphere breathable, you'd have to keep the planet warm. Without a sun, thats essentially impossible

[plush mason]

well to even atempt all that they will first have to stop it

[open marsh]

Yeah thats not happening

[plush mason]

this kinds of planets move thru space at millions of miles an hour

lol could you imagin a ship getting hit by one?

imperial and chaos fleets line up to do battle and next thing they know there is an entire fucking planet moving thru the battlespace

hell depending on its size and speed it could very well destroy both fleets

or worse yet

a rogue star lol

[open marsh]

Pretty sure that would be detected years out and avoided

Its a planet

iin space

even moving millions of miles an hour is a snails pace in space

[plush mason]

this is true

[celest dome]

And it's a stable course with pretty much no acceleration

[storm jungle]

People live on literal magma planets

you say this like its unplausible that the writers wouldnt find some bullshit reason for imperials to settle there lol

[cerulean wagon]

we are moving through space at millions of miles an hour

thats just how planets be

[plush mason]

lol no

[cerulean wagon]

yes?

we are travelling around the sun

very quickly

[plush mason]

30 kilometers per second

[cerulean wagon]

yes?

times that by 3600

[plush mason]

so thats 67,000 mph

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-fast-is-the-earth-mov/#:~:text=As schoolchildren%2C we learn that,or 67%2C000 miles per hour.

[cerulean wagon]

108 kmh

thats still fucking fast, and we are one of the slower planets in system

[plush mason]

yes

[cerulean wagon]

so yes

thats just kinda what planets do

[plush mason]

still no where near as fast as a rogue

they are the result of a blackhole moving thru a star system or a super jupitor moving closer to the star

another fact is that intergalatic space is likely full of these wonders

[leaden herald]

decided to read the 1d4chan page about Perpetuals, before reading it I was someone neutral about the concept. After reading it I decided I hated them

[plush mason]

ikr

also

iirc the speed of a rogue planet is millions of miles faster than even the fastist eldar ship

so even if you can see it comingyu still couldnt avoid it

[open marsh]

Well yeah, if you can see it with your eyes, you go splat

But there are these things called augers, auspex systems, and watch stations. Which detect things long before they become a problem

Years before

[plush mason]

so they arent as blind up there as they seem

so much of the imperium is "wing it and pray it works" that it has left me with a very poor view of them as proffesionals

so i figured they would have even bothered to set up such early warning systems

[vast frigate]

@leaden herald dont read 1d4chan then

[barren tapir]

TBF the imperium has a shit ton of watching station and linstening post

There were also some rogue planetoids that got into the sol system at the start of the great endeavour iirc, one of those was made into a monument of the endeavour too iirc

[plush mason]

wait so they stoped one?

[barren tapir]

Ah, no my bad, they were artificially made stuff

Also about rogue planets, i remember to have read a story about terra being hit by something that throwed it out of the sol system, making it a rogue planet, and the people survived in underground bunker powered by nuclear power plants

[cerulean wagon]

a lot of the stuff that covers the imperium has to make them look incompetqnt for SM to have any purpose at all

all systems have augur stations, and atleast some SDF and PDF pressence

if that fails IG are sent to intervene

If that fails other assets are piled on top

[barren tapir]

PDF presence is the norm, and it is present on most planets, while only the more rich system have a SDF

[leaden herald]

IIRC most PDF regiments are sorta pathetic, with most Guardsmen disparaging them as not even a paper shield

[cerulean wagon]

depends on the system and the guard in question

[barren tapir]

It vary from world to world, in some world it may be a gang that function as PDF, while on another it can be a professional army that is fully capable to fend off invaders or at least resist until help arrive

[cerulean wagon]

most guard will dismiss pdf (even good ones) because they basically amount to militia

but in some cases pdf are on par with IG

(cadia and perlia come to mind, think theres a few others)

[barren tapir]

The problem is, as said before by Skeleton, that they are shown as weak so that SM can come up and wipe the floor

[leaden herald]

I saw this in a book where the Guard showed up, saved the day, and SM never even came to the system

PDF are made pathetic so that the HEROES OF THE IMPERIUM can be made to look good

[barren tapir]

They aren't few, in fact, going by the most common category being the civilised world i would say that most planets have a competent PDF

[cerulean wagon]

yi

[barren tapir]

The 1d4chan page about PDF manage to get a good picture of them

[cerulean wagon]

however as pdf training is ruled over by the planetary governor it can be uhhh

interesting

[barren tapir]

The same is true about IG, they are competent in the majority, but they must be defeated to bring in SM, and when they too are defeated is to show how much strong is the enemy

[barren tapir]

Indeed

[open marsh]

looks at that those PDFs who suddenly have "local" pattern "plasma long rifles"

[barren tapir]

Something is fishy here

[open marsh]

Nothing fishy here. This is just a loyal servant of the Imperium. Our planetary governor totally isnt making deals with xenos....

[barren tapir]

But being honest is completely possible that some planets have really amazing weapons, but they are just local

[open marsh]

Some have power armour.

[barren tapir]

AH, like someone would really care, the thing that they care is: did his world have shit ton of useless churches? If yes, then all fine

I wouldn't be surprised if it is found out that a planet has some form of magnetic accelerated guns, mostly i'm thinking of coilguns, which are better than autoguns and are less hard to manage for supply but since the administratum is messed it never reached the high echelons to share its pattern and start large scale production

[vagrant osprey]

The problem with rogue planets is that they're really hard to see coming, since they're basically invisible until they're right on top of you.

[open marsh]

...we have moved past that convo

[vagrant osprey]

They reflect light, but they don't emit anything.

Whoops, was scrolled up, sorry.

[plush mason]

i mean he is right

[open marsh]

Ah yes, because the only way to know a rogue planet is coming is to see it with your eyes

Yep

Totally no other way to detect a PLANET SIZED MASS OF MOVING MATTER

Nope

None at all

[plush mason]

you would need to see it from light years away

[open marsh]

Im being sarcastic

They can detect planets from entire systems away

If not subsectors

[plush mason]

warpfuckery?

[barren tapir]

Is this a time where i need to use my popcorn gif?

[plush mason]

it is never not a time for popcorn

[open marsh]

Planetary auspex and auger systems and watch stations

:L

[plush mason]

isnt auspex just space radar?

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-popcorn-nodding-eating-snacks-gif-16646651

[open marsh]

Know what radar is good for? Detecting shit you cant see with your eyes from way before it becomes a problem

[barren tapir]

Auspex is an umbrella term, it refer to anything from a planetary scanner to multi system watch station

[open marsh]

^

[barren tapir]

There are also hand held auspex that work like those from alien

[plush mason]

my questionis how does it solve the whole "objects on screen are from 100s of years ago" problem

[open marsh]

Because you can calculate the trajectory of the object and know where it is headed and where it will be

Rogue Planets arent really known to turn on a dime

[plush mason]

true

ofc they could always run into another blackhole and end up heading yourway

[barren tapir]

And if they do, well, they may be ork roks

[plush mason]

yes

also iirc communication is a real problem for the imperium

it could take centuries for that info to reach high command

[open marsh]

Point is. Rogue planets arent a problem. Like there hasnt be any event in 40k where there was a battle going on and suddenly a planet just smashing through everyone like it is late to school

[plush mason]

that would be a hell of a story tho

[barren tapir]

Oh oh, the imperium had to resort to use a comet, that they redirected, to destroy the civilization know as Adrantis Five... Damn you macharius!!

[plucky moth]

alternate universe in which Horus gets hit by a rogue planet on his way to work

[plush mason]

yes

[open marsh]

Better one for ya. When Autek Mor had his forces push a moon out of orbit and sent it crashing into the World Eater's recruitment world of Bodt. Because FUCK YOU YOU TRAITOROUS FUCKERS

[plush mason]

lol

[open marsh]

Majora's Masked their asses

[barren tapir]

Nah, alternate universe where colchis, the planet of lorgar, get hit by a rogue planet and destroyed, and it is not because they didn't saw it, but because they prayed instead of doing real stuff

[plush mason]

^

[barren tapir]

You don't need a moon, if there is no planet to orbit

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-popcorn-nodding-eating-snacks-gif-16646651

which nation is that coat from?

[cerulean wagon]

pretty sure thats a russian naval officer uniform

[plush mason]

ty

[cerulean wagon]

not usualy red ofc

[open marsh]

Honestly, kind of how I imagine a Captain of the Flesh Tearer's Navy vessel (chapter serf) dresses

[plush mason]

yeah the red has always confussed me

[open marsh]

Tho pretty sure its just a costume for the sake of the commercial

Not a specific country's uniform

[plush mason]

yes

[open marsh]

Its just "Generic Ship Captain"

[barren tapir]

Captain Obvious

The name of the char

[plush mason]

iirc the sholder robes are something commadors wear

[plush mason]

i know who he is

ofc most people dont even know wtf a commador is lol

[storm jungle]

man commodore's were something!

oh wait

[plush mason]

lol

[barren tapir]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/lradlw/excerpt_watchers_of_the_throne_the_emperors/

This share a bit of light on the topic of "why people don't know about demons"

[barren tapir]

I just read about Ollanius Piers... Not impressed... And why the f everyone seems to be so pro religion even at that era??!!

[open marsh]

Humans be humans

And humans be dumb

[barren tapir]

😩

[open marsh]

Like Ollanius is Cathoric....and he existed long before Hebrewic religions existed

He kinda dumb

[barren tapir]

Also seems that the two are connected, piers got his name from his grandfather

[open marsh]

Oh Ollanius Piers

Not Ollanius Perrson

I dont think they are related. Unless its a situation where the "first" name is the clan name

unless they are extremely distantly related

Because they are both from Terra

Just Persson has been around for millenia

[barren tapir]

It can be the personal name of both, no need to be the family name

[open marsh]

They I dont see much relations. Since Persson has been on Calth for awhile

[storm jungle]

Yeah isnt it a case of

like the imperial historians looking back at the Heresy and being like "So this is a single dude right? Their names seem pretty matching, lets make him a martyr hero"

[open marsh]

Well yeah. But we are speaking of the two individuals used to make the myth

Ollanius Persson and Ollanius Piers

[storm jungle]

I hate it

but yeah it works

[barren tapir]

I was just reading something about the perpetuals and i found out some real shit... That magnus killed malcador, and that another perpetual had to sacrifice to bring back malcador... This is bullshit... Magnus may have been strong, although at the time he confront malcador he couldn't ever even be whole, since he was fragmented into shards... Really, some authors are just plainly bad

[leaden herald]

read that too. Said Perpetual Magnus killed was also had a moment where she was superior to the Emperor

Where she managed to do a feat that Emps also did, but faster and without aid

[dull flame]

Olly Piers got rekt tho.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/2/2e/PiersAngron.jpg

Waits patiently for Mortis to come out

[storm jungle]

Hasnt it come out tho?

I read a summary of the book on reddit so thats what i thought

[primal tide]

I think they usually do a limited expensive run on the books before releasing the paperback later iirc

[storm jungle]

ah classic Horus Heresy stuff

💰

[primal tide]

I dunno for sure tho, it's audiobooks or bust for me

[dull flame]

Yeah the limited edition paperback copies went out to people who ordered them but the regular edition/ebook hasn't released yet

[abstract swift]

There's no actual book for the Fall of Cadia atm is there?

[storm jungle]

There kinda is?

Cadia Stands is the best one

[abstract swift]

I read it's kinda split up event's that happen

[storm jungle]

it shows a lot of I.G from the beginning of the invasion all the way to the end with some side stories riddled side stories

[abstract swift]

Ahhh okay

[storm jungle]

its the most prominent cadia book you can get iirc

[abstract swift]

That'll definitely be my next read then.

[dull flame]

Yeah I think Cadia Stands is the only one that's not the Gathering Storm supplements

The sequel novel Cadian Honour was also pretty gud too

'cept that's after Cadia went boom

[abstract swift]

RIP

[dull flame]

The full art of the Mortis cover is lookin' good though. That's a lotta spiky titans

[inland meadow]

are those choas?

[plush mason]

yeah

the warhound is of khorne

but yeah there are a lot of chaos titans

[odd sparrow]

idk what those guardsmen are convinced they're gonna do

0/10 not enough weird fleshy bits on the titans tho

[abstract swift]

There will be after those Titans are done with them

[dull flame]

"Vectoriums of the 4th and 7th engage the Tyranids of Hive Fleet Lotan amidst the steaming jungles of Hesp. When the swarms deploy Toxicrenes and Venomthropes to poison the environment, the Death Guard respond with plague spells, virus bombs and daemonic diseases. With neither side willing to back down, the atmosphere of Hesp becomes ever more toxic until the jungles, and even the warring armies, are reduced to a gory, bubbling soup. The first Tyranid hive ship to taste this poisoned slurry recoils, its proboscis melting, and is bombarded into oblivion by the rest of its fleet. Hesp is left as an endless sea of toxic slime, too virulent for even the hive fleets to devour" - Death Guard codex

Got one taste of that toxic soup and the rest of the hive fleet went full Gordon Ramsay. SHUT IT DOWN!

[open marsh]

Still tried. Dude faced down a daemon Primarch. A fight he couldn't win. Still tried instead of cowering in fear

He did what any solider of the Imperium should in that situation
He died fighting

[median sundial]

That sounds like Imperial propaganda. “Remember: Only Heretics and Agnostics cower in the face of adversity!”

[plush mason]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712886138460962826/814296170976903178/image0.gif

[open marsh]

That's not propaganda, that's truth

https://youtu.be/iKIAMAqGNIY

[primal tide]

"If you act cowardly, you're no longer a soldier of the imperium, just a heretic. Therefore, no soldier of the imperium has ever been a coward"
taps head

Reminds me of a joke I'd make with a coworker on rigging jobs: if you fall from this height, you're fired before you hit the ground

"accident free job-site"

[rich mason]

Looks like he got "dat ass" face

[summer niche]

Lmao

[barren tapir]

All humans are destined to die, few have the luxury to choose how and for what... While he was a religious man he still showed the indomitable spirit of mankind to fight

[open marsh]

Ollanius Piers wasnt religion. Ollanius Persson is

Piers is the one who faced down Angron

[barren tapir]

Piers was religious, he worshipped an old goddess, called mythrus iirc, and he also believed in the divinity of the emperor, he was religious

He got saved two times by Jenetia Krole and he thought it was her goddess saving him

[open marsh]

oof yeh u rite

I forgot that

[barren tapir]

Ollanius persson is catholic, which is also dumb, since he f predate that religion by a lot, and why in the warp he would have remained with it instead of changing like he did before christianity was created is beyond my understanding

[open marsh]

I think it had something to do with losing hs kid

His grief made him grab on to religion as a form of stability

A way to make sense of a senseless world

[barren tapir]

Ok, but why sticking with only that, i get that it can be said that it isn't christian anymore, but that is the same thing really, why not making up an entire new religion though, that would have been extremely better imo

[cerulean wagon]

because not every choice is rational

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

Btw, that is just a joke, i understand that not all are rational, still i don't like that

[open marsh]

This

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[vagrant osprey]

Out of everything in 40k that makes no sense, somebody deciding to follow a dead religion that's younger than themselves does not even make the list.

[storm jungle]

I mean some people still follow dead/unpopular religions so beats me

[gaunt vector]

I think that the Hellenic faith is still a thing in some circles.

[storm jungle]

Yeeee like even if its a single dude or two theres still people that do venerate it

[barren tapir]

Lately many people are starting a revival of old religions yes, hellinc is one, the other one that i heard is the nordic one, asatru is its name iirc

Oh, and if what i read i right also druidic traditions also

[open marsh]

||some people still follow religions so beats me||

[storm jungle]

I dont get it

[open marsh]

Dont worry about it

[storm jungle]

[odd sparrow]

big 14 year old atheist vibes

[storm jungle]

well Big E canonically was the person that created r/atheism

so im not shocked

[odd sparrow]

Correct.

We spit on big e and everything he stands for

except for gold

[open marsh]

looks at in 30 year old

[odd sparrow]

gold is pretty

14 year old at heart.

though tbh like, silver > gold

also possibly bronze > silver > gold but i'm just a slut for bronze so

[barren tapir]

Wut?

[plucky moth]

silver is the best one by far

[odd sparrow]

I love silver

[barren tapir]

Oh, pls staph, you all make me blush

Oowww

[plucky moth]

I forget your @ is silver lmao

[barren tapir]

That is my name tbf

[odd sparrow]

i love my like. understated sorta elegant silver stuff. that's the optimal type of jewellery

plus hey useful for banishing corrupted entities in a pinch

[storm jungle]

Big E canonically was the person that created r/atheism

havent you read the Last Church? It all makes sense

[barren tapir]

Nope, not read it yet

[odd sparrow]

Man i used to like last church before like

it's sorta the same thing as the mass effect 3 ending

it seems kinda alright and cool before it occurs to u how monumentally dumb it was

[storm jungle]

Like, the thing is. The setting for the short story is brilliant. Its just that MAN did the writer suck

yeah exactly

[odd sparrow]

big e going muh crusades is just

pls

the writer was clearly not prepared for writing that topic

[storm jungle]

Exactly

like religion does a lot of badder things that are not the crusades

and not all of them have to involve death FYI

[odd sparrow]

Yea. Big E's argument boiled down to just religion does bad stuff, also i'm always right

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[barren tapir]

Oh, i get it now, probably
Like Big E going against all religion related stuff, but then name its campaign a great crusade right? Big brain time i guess

[odd sparrow]

That is also an element

[atomic pelican]

Big E wouldve absolutely had a atheism youtube channel that would later start posting racism

[odd sparrow]

where's the like

[open marsh]

I think it says something about Big E how he atleast tried to talk the priest out of his religion, instead of just executing him and being done with it

[barren tapir]

But he loves humanity as a whole

[storm jungle]

Nah big is only racist against aliens, the guy is a turkish native american for a reason

WOOP WOOP

[atomic pelican]

Yee Ik but reddit atheism

[storm jungle]

dsfdskdfs

ok you got me there

[odd sparrow]

meme of sangy, decked out looking like a prettier twinky st michael with a halo over his head, reading out WELCOME TO THE IMPERIUM. FIRST RULE: NO RELIGION EVER to a gaggle of extremely confused natives

it's a vibe

[storm jungle]

ngl bruh id worship those wings

[odd sparrow]

same

fuck big e, i just wanna simp for sangy

[barren tapir]

True... It say to me that he is a pragmatic person, and that a guy that manage to sway a lot of people can be useful to sway people to your side too

[storm jungle]

Yeah but thats the thing

in lore you can just go

Big E swayed lots of people to his side with charisma

BUT

when you actually need to show he does it in a detailed book your task just becomes harder lol

a case where the author of the Last Church clearly stumbled at

[odd sparrow]

ye

[plucky moth]

so 2015 youtube?

[atomic pelican]

Writers have a hard time portraying a character whos supposedly near godlevel power/int

[barren tapir]

It is always hard to portray something that go over the normal human range, when you are a normal human

[odd sparrow]

mood

[atomic pelican]

And yes exactly

[storm jungle]

Yep this

[barren tapir]

[odd sparrow]

it would be the slowly shifting into nazism vibe, before he gets driven into hiding by hatemail

[atomic pelican]

Big E would follow the very intelligent rational FAX AND LOGIC pipeline into race science 2015 youtube

[odd sparrow]

returns during the age of strife with many manifestos

[atomic pelican]

But yeah its weird. Big E in actual stuff just seems smoothbrained

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a shame since as Blank said its the author messups

its REALLY hard to write godly characters

also you gotta make him look stupid to show that DO YOU SEE READERS, HES WRONG

[odd sparrow]

Writing larger than life like, 'superior' ish characters is always gonna be rough

[storm jungle]

^

Not sure how many people watched Metal Gear Rising's final boss

but armstrong is a good example

[atomic pelican]

Dont fuck with this senator

[storm jungle]

at core you almost agree with him but then realise that this guy just wants people to murder each other lol

its hidden behind lots of political talk and smart disguised words basically

https://youtu.be/LmWQd8zhEg4?t=100

[atomic pelican]

Sen Armstrong is unironically a amazing example of how shitters hide intent behind words

MGS is amazing

[storm jungle]

EXACTLY

Armstrong is how Big E should be

[plucky moth]

Dr Manhattan is also kinda interesting in a way but he's not "larger than life" just a good example of how godhood completely disconnects you from humanity

[atomic pelican]

Metal Gear unironically some of the best political analogy/story in video games

[barren tapir]

There is a real philosophy that state that confrontation should be always encouraged because it improve the species... It is quite dumb ngl... And its name evade me now

[odd sparrow]

I think manhattan was def a good example of how to write that kind of character

buuut he also like

fucks off to like mars. U can write a good like, disconnected has gone too far ahead kind of thing but then u have gotta find a way to get them to be motivated to do stuff and drive the story forward

[storm jungle]

Its as if you can make a good political message if you research your stuff properly or something instead of hamfisting it up your bottoms lol

and yeeee

manhattan is just gone

[odd sparrow]

as opposed to lying around staring at the ground cus yall none of this actually matters

i'm so powerful i can literally just obliterate this entire galaxy with a thought why would i care about a villain trying to subvert ur heroic organization

ima just vibe

[storm jungle]

^

Yep, he doesnt care about humanity after awhile, since the guy can see the past, future and the present all at once so hes more close to Big E after he'd become a god if he ever actually dies in the future of the setting.

but thats assuming GW will ever make him like that lol

[odd sparrow]

nods

[storm jungle]

Sigmar is the best we have for now

hes a good person

just steals some bones sometime

[atomic pelican]

The chad Sigmar

Vs the virgin emperor

[odd sparrow]

:rattled:

[storm jungle]

SDFDFKSJ

[odd sparrow]

bone pope dislikes this message

[atomic pelican]

Sigmar: buff. Big beard. Great hair

Emperor: literally skeleton

And not even a sexy skeleton like nagash

[odd sparrow]

hot take but any interpretation of pre-rattled big e that isn't lowkey creepy and uncanny af is absolutely incorrect

[atomic pelican]

Braincel E

[odd sparrow]

big e is a shut-in pale neckbeard with sufficient psychic strength to change ur perception of him

he shouldn't be all that good at it. like yes this looks quite handsome and optimal i think meanwhile he has no pupils

[plucky moth]

Big E is just a classical liberal ok

[atomic pelican]

[odd sparrow]

correct

[atomic pelican]

Ur right

[odd sparrow]

also pls ur giving me flashbacks to my internet conservative phase

i don't need this

[primal tide]

Oh no

[odd sparrow]

he a good boi

[atomic pelican]

Love him

Fuck calgar

All my homies hate calgar

[odd sparrow]

a reasonable amount of blood

[storm jungle]

to be fair i cant blame Big E, wouldnt you be annoyed too if you had all this power, but some GW guy comes in and says "We gotta make you stupid for the sake of plot im sorry."

[plucky moth]

the imperium is libertarian y'know

[atomic pelican]

UTUFG

[storm jungle]

googles libertarian

[atomic pelican]

Its like a librarian but more attracted to children

[storm jungle]

so pedophiles?

[atomic pelican]

Yes

[dim totem]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Humanity is great

: )

|| ||

[odd sparrow]

stop

dilara no

bastard

[storm jungle]

REEEE

[odd sparrow]

humanity is great, it's just that libertarians aren't humans.

[storm jungle]

DUHUH BIG CHAOS GUY GO BOOM

[atomic pelican]

Based

[storm jungle]

Xenos Enjoyer: What is the meaning of being a robot skeleton.

[odd sparrow]

tbh is the trazyn + orikan thing actually good

like

i've heard good things about it

[storm jungle]

Yes

its like

universally praised

[odd sparrow]

!

[storm jungle]

for good reason

1 sec ill get a meme

[odd sparrow]

i'll look for a pdf or smthn later

[atomic pelican]

Aa discord pls

[storm jungle]

@odd sparrow

[atomic pelican]

But yeah Infinity/Divine seems amazing

[storm jungle]

this all actually happens

[odd sparrow]

wh

[open marsh]

Everything in that meme happens in a completely literal sense in the story

[odd sparrow]

,,, are those fucking exodites

[storm jungle]

YES

[open marsh]

yes

[odd sparrow]

GLORIOUS

i already love this

[open marsh]

and yes a necron ship plows right into one of their dinos

[odd sparrow]

gloriously stupid

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside though the book is made like a buddy cop journey but is actually serious when it needs to be so dont worry its not all memes.

[odd sparrow]

zap

[atomic pelican]

I believe Trazyn also uses one of his pokeballs to summon a ancient space marine army to win a battle

[open marsh]

"I cast DELETE"

[storm jungle]

thats in cadia!

the best part is the pokeballed guys are like

I dont know where I am

I dont know who I am

All I know is I must kill

[odd sparrow]

ophdijg

[open marsh]

to be fair, thats what Guilliman did upon waking up

[storm jungle]

Well his was more:

I dont know where I am
I dont know who I am
All I know is I must kill and do political reforms.

[open marsh]

He was like "Huh....well....those guy kinda look like my guys, but these other guys look chaosy as fuck. So lets get to stabbin"

[storm jungle]

that too!

[odd sparrow]

anyways so i started blasting

[primal tide]

Shoutout to that one berserker who broke the silence by yeeting himself at guilliman first

[dull flame]

I need to read the Trazyn/Orikan novel. I have it but I'm currently reading some Warhammer Fantasy novels. Just finished the 3 Nagash books and started reading Sigvald's novel

[storm jungle]

Its an absolute read

one of the best xenos books we've gotten in years i think

i read it from a pdf at first but bought the actual copy later to support the author since im a brainlet fanboy

[storm jungle]

he what

[open marsh]

You mean...you didnt buy the pdf?

[storm jungle]

Yes?

[primal tide]

Lemme find it

[storm jungle]

Am I suppose to give GW money when i dont like what they do? lol

[atomic pelican]

Imagine paying for black library

[storm jungle]

^

[open marsh]

[storm jungle]

[primal tide]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/9o5n6i/excerptgs_iii_rise_of_the_primarch_guilliman_rise

|| It was as though a spell had settled over the shrine. Though outside the din of war thundered on, within that echoing chamber friend and foe alike stared awestruck at the legendary figure reborn in their midst. An incoherent scream of rage shattered the silence, a single Khorne Berzerker charging headlong through the stunned combatants to launch himself in a flying leap at the Primarch. Guilliman moved with such blistering speed that the Ynnari themselves would have struggled to match it. His burning blade drew a pyrotechnic arc through the air as it swung, bisecting the Khorne Berzerker at the waist and hurling his severed halves to the ground. ||

Relevant section for the 'tl:dr's

[storm jungle]

Thank youuu

[primal tide]

It's a great read

I love that guilliman is like, "if I squint, these blue guys seem like my guys, but they're still pretty fucked up tbh"

[storm jungle]

Ngl I almost expected an audible "Holy shit." to be uttered through the silence at one point lol

[primal tide]

Lol

"fething hell"

[storm jungle]

not the feth noooo!

[primal tide]

GET FETHED

[storm jungle]

[primal tide]

Or uh

What was it in legion

FUG

[dull flame]

Good ol Kharn. Dude rollin' around with a kill counter in his helmet.

[storm jungle]

I think its always Frak or Feth

[primal tide]

the army dudes said fug instead of fuck lmao

[storm jungle]

wait really

ew

[primal tide]

Yeah

From the geno 5-2 chilead iirc

[storm jungle]

god damn it GW

[primal tide]

I actually really enjoyed that book

But the FUG kept me thinking of those stupid bear memes

[barren tapir]

Guillman was "what the hell is happening here" and "all this made no sense", but he also was "i can feel those guys are chaos influenced, so they are the baddie for now"

[tender igloo]

so i finally read the final issue of the calgar comic. i can understand people being annoyed that he ripped the lord of skulls head out all by himself, but at the same time the panel beforehand showed that he was being backed up by a space marine company. i don't get some of the hatred, even as a chaos guy personally.

[atomic pelican]

very simple

ultramarines are cringe.

[tender igloo]

it just seems like cherry picking a panel to make a point look stronger than it actually is

[primal tide]

He should have done a backflip first

[atomic pelican]

Spinning is a good trick

[tender igloo]

Maybe it's because I also believe that at the stage we are in with 40k's life, we are at the point where you should just pick and choose the stories that you want to believe are canon, and disregard everything else that seems too over the top.

[atomic pelican]

Ye u right, like who cares

It's just funny because ultramarines being mary sues is a pretty good running joke

that is.. true

[primal tide]

They are getting better, but it feels like this comic is kinda just part of the 2 steps forward 1 steps back thing they have going on in that regard

[final spruce]

Or just ignore the lore and look at the coll stuff

[atomic pelican]

Correcc

I would like to see space marines getting beaned outside of xeno codices at some point tho

dfghn

[primal tide]

At any rate it would probably be ultramarines doing the beaning

[atomic pelican]

god.

Chaotic ending: GW squats every other space marine line, exclusively sells ultramarine blue, illegalizes every other chapter at tournaments

[primal tide]

Emps reveals he was just guilliman from the far future all along

[tender igloo]

Part of the appeal of 40k for me is all the grimdark stuff mixed with how ridiculous it can get. It's a nice contrast for me.

[primal tide]

It's why orkz ar da best boiz

[tender igloo]

It helps remind me not to take it very seriously

Honestly I don't even think the ultramarines are super overpowered anymore either.

[final spruce]

Didn't they ended up losing to the DG during the Plague Wars aswell ?

With Gulliman barely escaping death because he is a highly marketable product ?

[atomic pelican]

Marketable Guilliman Plushie

[storm jungle]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/8810dab1-5cc7-486c-9a6f-d5190c06334f/dbzk1fa-db37ab4e-be80-4318-976d-37ae5f46ef9c.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvODgxMGRhYjEtNWNjNy00ODZjLTlhNmYtZDUxOTBjMDYzMzRmXC9kYnprMWZhLWRiMzdhYjRlLWJlODAtNDMxOC05NzZkLTM3YWU1ZjQ2ZWY5Yy5qcGcifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.wTBGuBKMu7aSNIuAXIXBAyOnAbFpfQBnqASPpHNEea8

He looks dead

[open marsh]

Accurate representation of how he feels upon learning how the Imperium is now

[tender igloo]

Bug eyes

[odd sparrow]

Trazyn did not, on the whole, enjoy being dead.
alright this book is amazing

[open marsh]

[storm jungle]

That opening chapter is stellar

[odd sparrow]

i love it

also like. mild spoilers ||this is just making me think about how much i lowkey wish exodites had actual models||

||the wood elf fangirl inside me desires it greatly. space wood elves with dinosaurs. pls||

[atomic pelican]

Exodites: The Cool Eldar variant with absolutely no models

[odd sparrow]

Yep™️

[open marsh]

This

[odd sparrow]

And it's like?? exactly the kind of thing GW loves to do??

[open marsh]

Exodites are the only elves I can really tolerate, because they ride dinosaurs into battle and that is way too badass for me to faux hate

[odd sparrow]

u give them bows instead of guns and they'd fit right into AoS

[atomic pelican]

Atleast we got that warhammer quest model 👀

[odd sparrow]

slight amendment tho, for me it would have to be like. wood elf-ish. Craftworlders on dinosaurs wouldn't cut it for me

they've gotta have a distinct more utilitarian style of like, uniform and stuff

pls i would drive myself into bankruptcy

[storm jungle]

they were suppose to be wood elves

but GW just never bothered

the first eldar codex gives them lots of clan lore too

now all that shit is absent

[atomic pelican]

I've recently learned that you can p much run a entire welf army via Living City and then mix in Sylvaneth stuff if you wan ted

and I am TEMPTED

Since WHF welf models look pretty good anyways tbh

[odd sparrow]

yea they've aged fairly well

[gaunt vector]

Hold on, are Primarchs just the Emperor's Wojaks?

[odd sparrow]

I'd honestly be more tempted to just like, make a sylvaneth army and kitbash all the weird spectral elf-things away

[atomic pelican]

Truu

You could just pain the elfy parts flesh colors instead

[odd sparrow]

the ents are marching to war

idk even then it wouldn't be my think i don't think? Like, if i'm doing a full forest spirit-ish thing then any vaguely fleshy looking thing is forbidden

[atomic pelican]

Ahh u right u right

[odd sparrow]

i could kitbash them with dryads or whatever but that might just end up making everything look like dryads

idk it's low on my list of WH priorities rn

[plucky moth]

Nerds

[odd sparrow]

fight me

[storm jungle]

Get him!

[final spruce]

He's also a nerd

[plucky moth]

Prove it

[final spruce]

You're a mod in a niche 40k discord

[plush mason]

lol

[open marsh]

oof

[celest dome]

Zherlum is speaking the harsh truth

[plucky moth]

That makes me a dork

Totally different

[final spruce]

a person in which is both academically inclined and fans over things, also is silly and clumsy.

So a 40k fan = a nerd

[odd sparrow]

Who wants to help me murder incan

[final spruce]

Because only nerds like 40k

[odd sparrow]

he has it coming

[final spruce]

Shut up Rat

[odd sparrow]

The Moth Has Also Volunteered.

[final spruce]

Just try me lanky girl

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-popcorn-nodding-eating-snacks-gif-16646651

Oh no

No war between brits and french anymore, i thought it was all behind you all with the european union

[primal tide]

CAM ON INGERLAND

[gaunt vector]

BANG BANG

SCORE SOME FHAKHIN GOALS

[odd sparrow]

We're always at war with the french.

I spotted one in my garden scavenging snails earlier

[final spruce]

I mean they aren't in it anymore technically

[barren tapir]

True

[final spruce]

Bit sad innit

[odd sparrow]

iwant/todie

why am i in a country with conservatives in it

h e l p

[barren tapir]

It looks like Perturabo isn't a "fuck you all" kind of people, he had trains for his crew in the iron blood starship

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/ls2fqy/hammer_of_olympia_there_are_trains_riding_along/

[barren tapir]

Conservatives are in all countries, you just had enough dumb people that voted for them though

[rotund siren]

;-;

[final spruce]

If you think England have it hard, I would say do not look at America, China or any second or third world countries

[atomic pelican]

This is so sad. Can we see GW outperforming brexit fishing?

[cerulean wagon]

lmao

[cerulean wagon]

i still love the fact GW gave all their covid support back

[atomic pelican]

YEP

GW is gonna be 80% of the british GDP 2026

[storm jungle]

cant wait for GW megacorp

[atomic pelican]

GW brand canned oxygen, fresh primer scent

[storm jungle]

http://grist.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/screen-shot-2012-08-15-at-4-17-55-pm.png

[primal tide]

"Please breathe another verification can"

[odd sparrow]

i for one welcome our new GW overlords

[crisp heath]

wait

[primal tide]

what a fucking BURN

[odd sparrow]

KILL

literally so accurate

[open marsh]

oof. I can smell the promethium from that one

[cloud kindle]

Oof

[vast frigate]

Wew

smells like someone needs the burn ward

[final seal]

get krumped

[vagrant osprey]

You know that means GW can start making policy requests of parliment.

nb4 they use it to pass paint regulations

[tender igloo]

I just had the biggest realization about what genre the Marneus Calgar comic might actually be. It's a black comedy showing how he and space marines become the sociopathic killing machines the emperor wanted them to be, and how they leave nothing but carnage and blood in their wake

[cerulean wagon]

its also hot garbage

[tender igloo]

i don't agree with that opinion, but whatever

[atomic pelican]

It features calgar with two arms

default fail

[tender igloo]

at least he was able to cast fist a bunch

https://tenor.com/view/tts-i-cast-fist-gif-18135032

[open marsh]

the entirety of 40k is black comedy

[tender igloo]

I am aware, i'm simply stating that i believe the intent of the story was to show how much of a horrifying monster calgar actually is, rather than the action hero he is portrayed as sometimes. Also giving a reminder that space marines are just as much villains as everyone else when we see them torturing and murdering children, only to then take the survivors into a life of perpetual war and suffering while then also turning the failures into lobotomized slaves . A horror story disguised as an action story, if you will.

[atomic pelican]

I'm not sure about the comic itself outside of memes, but I have read something the author said about that. Seems like he knows the themes on paper at least

Gillen I believe is his name?

[tender igloo]

i could also be horrifically wrong, but i stand by my belief in this regard

yeah

Kieron Gillen

[atomic pelican]

So, it's a horror universe, but it's also a satirical and action universe. The people who take Warhammer a bit too straight clearly are working on the weird assumption they would be Space Marines when it's clear that if any of us were in the 40K universe we would be someone who was bombarded from orbit to clear out a rabid infection running through the tiny human population. It's so operatically, grim.

Yee seems like he knows his stuff

[tender igloo]

it's definitely why i don't take too much of an issue with Calgar killing most things quickly in the comic. He's a horror movie monster taking joy in all the pain and suffing he brings

[open marsh]

Yeah pretty much

[plush mason]

so are the SoB genemodded any?

some people say yes some say no

[cerulean wagon]

nope not usualy

they get a rudimentory form of power armour plugs

other then that they human

[vast frigate]

^

Also people hate on the comic for marvwl

But what i find more annoying is that marneus pulled the head out of a demon engine

[cerulean wagon]

i dont hate on it for marvel

i hate on it cause its garbage

like the demon engine part

[vast frigate]

The artwork is fine, the story is just... Haha yes space marine... Woo.

[cerulean wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783143977616015360/814559887811412008/153539962_2797593147236488_8947921944830792358_o.png

the moment in question

[vast frigate]

yeah

meh

[dim totem]

Is it bc he presumably backflipped on top of that chaos guy

[plush mason]

that just makes it worse

[dim totem]

I don't like the artwork in general but that's just personal preference

Too clean and sleek

I did like the one frame marny caved a chaos warrior's head in with his powerfists

[open marsh]

Well a squad of Grey Knights killed a titan. noted as being the most powerful titan ever created

This is the equalivant of a army officer destroying a tank by climbing on top of it and dropping grenades down its hatch

[dim totem]

The thing is tho

A tank is about yay big

A titan is a bit taller

[open marsh]

A human is about yay big
A space marine (primaris at that) in gravis armour is a bit taller

Plus he climbed up it while it was distracted.

[dim totem]

Proportions son

Also think how humongously tall that guy in the background is

[open marsh]

Have you read the story in question?

[dim totem]

Nah im just shitting bc I'm bored at work

[open marsh]

makes sense

[cerulean wagon]

ah yes

let me be so distracted i cant feel a space marine in 1 ton of armour climbing me

[vagrant osprey]

Isn't that a knight?

It's a bit short for a titan

[odd sparrow]

the legs for titans and knights look crazy similar, to scale to the bb it should be a titan tho

[storm jungle]

Yeee it has the stylized T its a titan

[cerulean wagon]

think its a lower class titan hense its not like

mega big

but its still a titan

[odd sparrow]

the actual scale of titans is wildly inconsistent anyways

tfw how big even is an imperator

[storm jungle]

Not as big as people make it out to be

its fucking BIG but still like uhh shorter than the eiffel tower

[cerulean wagon]

https://live.staticflickr.com/7009/6759482893_14bffe39d4_b.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/55/4f/4e/554f4e6c2feb813b87f606183b175af4.png

[odd sparrow]

optimal

[storm jungle]

Yeee much better

[atomic pelican]

Statue of Liberty is a imperial titan til

I guess ghostbusters was prophetic

[rotund siren]

lmao

[cerulean wagon]

The issue is tho that basically

the above are based off models being too scale

which they kinda arent

[rotund siren]

ugh

[odd sparrow]

ye it's wildly inconsistent. Like, with so many diff authors all deciding ah yes i must give a height to this titan without any communication with the other dozen or so authors who did the same thing

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

most accepted tho is

15-60m for standard titans

[odd sparrow]

with emperors it's like, 60m to 150m or something ridiculous lol

[cerulean wagon]

up to 150 for imperator, dependant

[odd sparrow]

mood kindred

[rotund siren]

what?

[atomic pelican]

It means shes 150m tall

[odd sparrow]

Correct.

[atomic pelican]

Macro

[rotund siren]

Huh?

[visual pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-ultramarines-emperortts-hug-hugs-and-love-gif-18114108

[cerulean wagon]

but yeah basically

in the titan codex they are 150 for an imperator

but

people want the models to match to help them visualize

so people extrapolate from the model sizes

its a mess basically

[viscid crane]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-8197900

[open marsh]

Titan sizes have been retconned in newer Adeptus Titanicus codexes

[cerulean wagon]

then thats sorted

[open marsh]

The thing with Titans is that they arent bigger than any thing you have ever seen ever. Its that they are massive weapons platforms of unrivaled size. Sure an Imperator Titan is shorter than the Statue of Liberty, but its about as wide, and loaded to bear with guns everywhere on it.

While the statue of liberty is just a statue

[odd sparrow]

simple solution

put guns on the statue of liberty

[storm jungle]

Lady Liberty is more than enough to take on a Imperator

the best part is they control it with actual ancient tech

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ghostbusters/images/6/6a/NESAdvantageController.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110123041053

[vast frigate]

How tall is the statue of memes?

[rotund siren]

Statue of memes?

[vast frigate]

Lady liberty

Made in france with german steel, sits in america

[rotund siren]

google is available

[vast frigate]

Im on phone

And at work on break

[rotund siren]

and you have good enough internet to send messages through Discord, which are then sent literally around the world in less than a second

[vast frigate]

Haha yes but imagine this

[rotund siren]

I'm sure you can go to Safari and look up the height

[open marsh]

Preaches a creed that america no longer follows

[vast frigate]

The phone doesnt accept browsers for some reason

I can use discord, but not chrome

[rotund siren]

huh

[vast frigate]

@rotund siren also wtf safari? I dont have some apple

[rotund siren]

ok then

[vast frigate]

I gots me some wanky android

[rotund siren]

I hope your phone isn't wanky

[vast frigate]

Coz phones are for communication mainly, i only have discord for quick family communication

[rotund siren]

ok

anyways, the Statue of Liberty is 305 feet tall

or

[vast frigate]

drumroll

[rotund siren]

92.964 meters tall

[vast frigate]

Ah, okay then, taller than i expected

[open marsh]

Yeah she a big gal

[vast frigate]

Thicc

[open marsh]

Also, bothers me that her color is due to the corrosion of copper. because of the difficulties of keeping the statue clean while surrounded by sea water

[rotund siren]

yeah

[open marsh]

She is supposed to look like this

[rotund siren]

yes

;-;

[vast frigate]

Yeah fully copper shine right?

[open marsh]

yep

But like anything, America cant take care of its shit and just lets it rot away

[vast frigate]

I mean at the same time they paint the bridge every year

[open marsh]

[vast frigate]

But they dont take the time to polish the statue

[rotund siren]

and if they did, people would complain about their taxes being put to use

[vast frigate]

Yep

But rue the one who orderd it to be taken down

[barren tapir]

The statue is 93 meters tall, but that take in consideration the base too

[vast frigate]

Eh

The statue base is there

[barren tapir]

True, but the statue itself isn't 93 meters tall

46 seems its height

Since we were comparing it to a titan i think including the base height is wrong... And it turns out that an imperator titan is similar, in height, to the statue of liberty

[rotund siren]

here they use the base

and I believe that is why Elyksis wanted to know the height

even though it does say the height

in meters

I can understand it being hard to see, since Elyksis is on mobile

[vast frigate]

I also dont own the most modern phone so

Yeaaah

[rotund siren]

it's fine, it's fine

I can understand not getting a new phone when you don't need one

[final seal]

copper is pretty valuable

[open marsh]

eyes the statue of liberty

[rotund siren]

Now Gru's desire to steal the Statue of Liberty makes more sense

[open marsh]

[final seal]

plumbers' wet dream, scrapping copper pipes

but THIS

from 75c to $4.5 per pound from year 2000 to 2020

[coarse mirage]

Nobody, I mean nobody, fucking shines their copper or brass statues because it would corrode them. The green color is oxidation that actually protects any such statue from total corrotion more than if you'd keep buffing it off.

In fact, I think they've even painted it.

[primal tide]

Yeah, for a lot of different metals the oxidized layer forms a protective barrier

[coarse mirage]

Going around buffing a statue like lady liberty would be a massive waste of time and money

[primal tide]

And a waste of a statue

[storm jungle]

U.S + Wasting money

yeah not like they dont do it constantly lol

[coarse mirage]

As if no other country wastes money on dumb projects.

I can just look at my local municipality and despair at the dumb shit they do.

[primal tide]

Oh absolutely, but we'd be better served trying to rake californias forests than buffing the statue lmao

[open marsh]

Yeah I know. they let it oxidize so they dont have to pay to keep it like it was when it was first unvieled

It shined like a penny back in 1886

[storm jungle]

Theres a difference between the amount of money you waste

lol

[coarse mirage]

No, it's not about not having to pay. It's about it being a dumb thing to do.

[rotund siren]

yeah

[coarse mirage]

Considering that most states in the US are the equivalent of countries, that's not a surprise. It's the united STATES.

[storm jungle]

[rotund siren]

true

[coarse mirage]

California is has the GDP of half of Africa combined.

[primal tide]

Yeah I dunno, fuck this dumb country lol
Just pick a better complaint than buffing our green girl

[coarse mirage]

Would be better to blame the French for making it in the first place and not considering the upkeep or its structural problems :p

[plucky moth]

then it wouldn't be french

[coarse mirage]

hon hon hon

Sorry France, you're just such an easy target.

[primal tide]

One of those cutting long payoff french jokes, where she's green to symbolize how fucked our capitalist system is

[crisp heath]

not controversial whatsoever, but copper looks better corroded than buffed

[primal tide]

Gimme some of that nihilakh oxide

[open marsh]

angry tech-priest noises

Speaking of. The tech-priest from the Calgar comic is my spirit animal

I love him dearly

[barren tapir]

Mood

[open marsh]

ikr

Even in peril, he is a man of taste and culture

[barren tapir]

NGL, that would be something i would also say

[storm jungle]

a true boi!

[tender igloo]

he appreciates the art of glorious melee combat

[dim totem]

i notice they both the techpriest and the heretic shave their eyebrows

suspicious

[open marsh]

Cultist Poggers

[dim totem]

can you be a heretic in private without dressing like an idiot?

[storm jungle]

Yes!

[dim totem]

interesting

[primal tide]

Until the brain rot sets in

And then you think you're still dressed normal when you're not

[storm jungle]

Like real life?