that's how u get kits from 1999 still being sold
#40k-lore-chat
odd sparrow
peak hamlet
Didn't they just glued his head back on and gaz was fine after that?
odd sparrow
it would be v jarring if he is dead. like, idk
straight after releasing a cool new model for him
open marsh
dont think they did it again
Gaz didnt get decapitated until the psychic awakening. Not gathering storm. Then a dok found his head, stitched onto a new body, and revived him
odd sparrow
GW is usually very sheepish about killing named tabletop characters and for good reason lol, it's odd
odd sparrow
the only other one i can remember is like. aun'va. and aun'va was a wheelchair toting meme anyways, not the single biggest ork warboss represented on tabletop
open marsh
odd sparrow
big boy
cerulean wagon
the model was for the vs story
open marsh
the model was for the vs story
If you look closely. You can see the stitches on his neck
:l
odd sparrow
yall should kiss already
final spruce
I mean the latest upgrade kit we got for Guardsmen was to turn them into Brood brothers
cerulean wagon
still have to buy plasma and melta upgrades seperate
open marsh
I mean the latest upgrade kit we got for Guardsmen was to turn them into Brood b...
Also, tbh. When I first saw the Darktide trailer, I thought the characters were brood brothers
Like the trailer was going to depict the GSCs as the protags for a nice whiplash effect
cerulean wagon
no thats just a gas mask
open marsh
...thats only used on the Brood Brothers head. You contrary so-and-so :l
open marsh
no fucking shit
final spruce
Nah look at his head he is bald, clearly a xeno scum
open marsh
I said I only mistook them for Brood Brothers at first
open marsh
As has been depicted so far? yes
final spruce
I mran Bullgryns are abhumans so it counts
azure vault
its true all bald people are xenos
open marsh
Its hairesy
cerulean wagon
but no honestly
final spruce
You really think people that have genes from the Emperor himself wouldnt inherit his glorious hair ?
storm jungle
Im late but i hope they actually do this
its such a good money making scheme that ill honestly say id do it too if i was in their position, krieg fans are great cashcows
open marsh
In before they only just recolor their armour
storm jungle
dawn of war style 
open marsh
BASICALLY
final spruce
I mean fatshark isnt lazy
Id trust them with good regiment skins especially if you have to pay real money for those
coarse mirage
BALD you say!? https://youtu.be/LNK5-uE5JFg
final seal
that plasmagun looks like the size of a SM plasma pistol'
odd sparrow
my inner imperialist demands redcoats
open marsh
It is very compact for a plasma gun. I like it and wonder what pattern it is
final seal
yeah it skips the foregrip bit too
open marsh
Not every pattern has a forgrip
Deliciously, the artists seem to have modeled the one in the trailer over a pattern used in the Horus Heresy
meaning its a relic
- w *
open marsh
mmmm bipod
open marsh
Its the "standard issue" plasma gun of the Elsyians
Real quick salt on the Calgar comic. And goes with my usual disdain for the oversaturation of Cadian regiments (and their copies)
This is in Ultramar. On the far side of the galaxy from Cadia. And Ultramar has its own regiments (the Ultramar Auxilia).....SO WHAT THE FUCK IS A CADIAN DOING THERE? Fucking lazy ass artist :l
final spruce
You said it yourself, guy wouldnt bother searching for other regiments or wanted to choose one of the best known ones
open marsh
This is why I have salt against cadians and cadian look alikes. It creates a never ending cycle
atomic pelican
Calgar shouldve stayed a torso and legs
final spruce
This is why I have salt against cadians and cadian look alikes. It creates a nev...
It would be like hating the Ultras because they are the poster boys of marines
Blame GW for deleting all the conversion kits like the armageddon ones
Or the people for not buying those I guess
open marsh
Maybe people didnt buy those because cadia is the only regiment given any real screentime
final spruce
I mean the catachans also do but its mostly because GW is a bunch of pussies and are too afraid to push new stuff
atomic pelican
Ah yes, classic GW syndrome. Doesnt support a line, then cuts more support because no one buys their shit ancient minis
open marsh
But this all plays into a joke I mentioned earlier. Its gonna get to the point where your options are: Primaris Space Marines, or Cadian Guardsmen.
final spruce
The armageddon pack was grear for catachan minis
storm jungle
Ah yes, classic GW syndrome. Doesnt support a line, then cuts more support becau...
Meanwhile lets make shit primaris models that look like generic sci-fi trash
final spruce
Meanwhile lets make shit primaris models that look like generic sci-fi trash
Tacticool sells
atomic pelican
Swarmlord did nothing wrong, I say
open marsh
Meanwhile lets make shit primaris models that look like generic sci-fi trash
Oh but dont you know! Its just a common and easy to make pattern!
final spruce
Also why they changed the 40k logo
final spruce
They want to appeal to a broader audience
open marsh
They want to appeal to a broader audience
the death toll of franchises
final spruce
But they prefer to push stuff that already sells well like Space marines
final spruce
the death toll of franchises
Im afraid youre mostly right
Some franchises got reborn thanks to that but most fall into the pitfall
storm jungle
yeah like im sure GW knows whats it doing
final spruce
Haha
storm jungle
but unless they turn around at some point the marine stuff really is getting tedious
final spruce
Nice joke Dilara
open marsh
yeah like im sure GW knows whats it doing
Thats what most people think when their favorite franchises are dying
final spruce
I mean the rework of necrons what a good move on their part
atomic pelican
And are making more every year
open marsh
I mean the rework of necrons what a good move on their part
That I agree with
final spruce
I dont think its about the sales death medic meant
storm jungle
And are making more every year
I know how
final spruce
But more like the licence losing its flavour
open marsh
But more like the licence losing its flavour
This
atomic pelican
Ahh ayt
open marsh
Eventually a franchise will get watered down until its nothing like what made it special in the first place.
final spruce
Like someone mentionned the Salamanders being a representation of African warriors
storm jungle
open marsh
And then it actually dies. As people just go off to something else that does the exact same thing
final spruce
Im not enough cultured in african history to judge what they said
odd sparrow
i mean
final spruce
But I believe the Salamanders are more than that
storm jungle
they are tbh
odd sparrow
neither is GW, they created the Forbidden Ones™️
odd sparrow
ye p
final spruce
And reducing them to just skin color and war like history
odd sparrow
i honestly haven't seen much of salamanders stuff that suggests anything vaguely african or whatewver
final spruce
Exactly
final spruce
Thats was my point with dnd
storm jungle
volcanos!
odd sparrow
ye
open marsh
Like if you dont bombard them with radiation, their skin color is whatever they were born with
final spruce
People saying orcs were representation of black people
final spruce
Like what kind of mental gymnastics you must do to end up with that conclusion
Dnd orcs
Also why I didnt use the k
storm jungle
thats one of the best part sof 40k people forget too
humanity and all its ethnicities got everywhere during the star trek age
its why theres such a mix of humans in general
yet nobody realises it
final spruce
Because people are dumb or just want to see what they want
storm jungle
yeah not like GW does a good job
final spruce
The issue is that GW is old with an old franchise led by old people
open marsh
yeah not like GW does a good job
to GW's defense, they are pretty good at including different human ethnicities
storm jungle
open marsh
atomic pelican
For the most equal opportunity faction no less
final spruce
Omg black people sent to their death like in history ! RRRRREEEEE
atomic pelican
Tfw brood brothers look better than most guard sculpts
final spruce
Because they are more recent lmao
atomic pelican
Says alot abt our four armed emperof
storm jungle
Tfw brood brothers look better than most guard sculpts
Harsh but true
then again GW deserves the flak
open marsh
Tfw brood brothers look better than most guard sculpts
Because they are newer
GW's plan:
Step 1: dont update sculpts
Step 2: wonder why bad sculpts dont sell
Step 3: assume people dont like the faction
Step 4: stop selling faction
Step 5: make more space marines
Scuplt wise. I love the GSCs
They have actual ATVs unlike those Space Marine gokarts called ATVs
cerulean wagon
i mean usualy they stop doing their metals before an update to a line
seeings as they did last order for all the regiments for IG
its about due
placid plank
Jesus those things look good.
final seal
can kitbash this to a venator
open marsh
open marsh
open marsh
Its like. compare that GSC's runner car to the Primaris "ATV:
The GSC's looks so much cooler and sensible at the same time
coarse mirage
Obviously you aim the flamer to the side or behind if you are moving
But the reach of a flamer like that would be quite long
final spruce
Only issue stopping me to collect GSC is how pricey the minis are
Seriously 10 hybrids cost around 30 guardsmen
And in normal list people field between 80-120 hybrids
plucky moth
same
final spruce
?
odd sparrow
incan is cheap? 👀
open marsh
Gotta love an army I can identify with: cheap and easy
final spruce
GSC and IG are everything but easy and cheap
open marsh
I was talking about Ork
plucky moth
incan is cheap? 👀
most certainly am
well depending on who you ask really, for some people I've proven incredibly expensive due to shipping costs 
odd sparrow
oh heck good point
aussie to uk shipping would be awful
ima hold off on purchasing an incan
final spruce
Just look at GW prices as an aussie
odd sparrow
isn't it like
heinously expensive there
,,,, even more heinously expensive than it is normally
atomic pelican
Spider raider tariff
odd sparrow
good lord
frigid mesa
final spruce
Look who's talking
limpid hedge
Ye. We love big E and his brutal but cunning ways
final spruce
"Son of Dorn"
limpid hedge
Or cunning but brutal ways
celest dome
Yeah, totally no heretic here, don't know what heresy even is
limpid hedge
ORKS!!!
cloud kindle
Orkz are best xeno though so they are exempt
limpid hedge
Orkz are best xeno though so they are exempt
You speak the truth
Gork(or Mork) approves
storm jungle
100%
because dread saurians are goddamn big
but it would need to depend on a proper rough fight and go head-on since..
its a big ass dinosaur, not really a humanoid compatant
coarse mirage
They are bitey boys
limpid hedge
Ya though it only has like 5 armour
odd sparrow
Notably, the like. Exact way that daemons work in regards to physical trauma is super inconsistent in fluff
Anything from u need magical fuckery or u can't do shit to just slightly tougher than material enemies
atomic pelican
I hope we get new big monster sync animations in TWW3 for this exact purpose
odd sparrow
Sadly they don't tend to go back to previous games with the sync animations
One thing I'll never understand is like. The slaan have numerous sync animations with them telekinetically memeing on a number of big monsters-
-but those monsters will still kill slaan easily so you never wanna take those fights
So you never see them
potent swift
As I understand it, most of those kickass monster vs monster animations are just the animators having fun and were put together over the course of a few lunch breaks. I don't imagine practicality really came into the equation.
median sundial
Alright so since British book laws disallow sex and various lewd shit, is that the reason that Slaneesh is more than just being horny?
atomic pelican
Nah It's because Slaanesh would be boring as shit if they were just horny
odd sparrow
^
if anything they used to lean waaay harder into the slaanesh = horny stuff and it was so boring and uninspired
atomic pelican
Yeeee
odd sparrow
i'm glad they've grown a pair and are actually depicting them in semi diverse ways now lol. Hedonites of slaanesh are quality
median sundial
Oh ok.
odd sparrow
we stan
median sundial
I’d expect that from a hermaphrodite god.
final spruce
Which is weird since Tzeentch is actually the one giving the most mutations
odd sparrow
tbh hot take but at the very least tzeentch should also be a hermaphrodite don't @ me
EXACTLY
like
cmon this dude is like, so into chaos spawn
tzeentch's gender is bastard
tentacles aren't gendered
final spruce
I don't think sex should really matter with Tzeentch
median sundial
tzeentch's gender is bastard
Wrong, his gender is bird.
odd sparrow
that too
final spruce
It's all about the embodiment of mind above body, skills before violence etc
odd sparrow
all hail the supreme big bird
final spruce
Strategy etc
median sundial
Birds are Bastards.
odd sparrow
Hell no
final spruce
That's why arcane bird is cool
odd sparrow
birds are amazing
final spruce
Amazing bastards
rotund siren
Birbs are clever good characters
save for seagulls
seagulls are evil bastards
and are of Slaanesh
odd sparrow
they have very diverse personalities
plucky moth
tbh hot take but at the very least tzeentch should also be a hermaphrodite don't...
I reckon tzeentch should be beyond gender and even genitalia or any given genetic coherence
rotund siren
being terrible hedonists
final spruce
Yeah that's my take
final spruce
I reckon tzeentch should be beyond gender and even genitalia or any given geneti...
So we're on the same wave
rotund siren
"What's in your pants?" "Feathers."
odd sparrow
realistically like, yeah they're all sorta weird non gendered warp entities. In my headcanon they're not even really fully sentient
they're just weird warp byproducts of sentient life
final seal
ruffle those feathers boiii
plucky moth
like Tzeentch should just be on a level of incomprehensible that not even he knows what the fuck he is
rotund siren
ruffle those feathers boiii
SHUT
rotund siren
realistically like, yeah they're all sorta weird non gendered warp entities. In ...
like an insane AI constantly spitting out constant, contradictory simulations
rotund siren
so i did ruffle your feathers
you know it.
final spruce
Dunno I feel like Tzeentch should be the most eldritch of the Chaos Gods
plucky moth
the Warp is actually just an extreme version of what happens with like
those machine learning AI accounts on twitter that become extremely vulgar really quickly
rotund siren
lmao
final spruce
The Warp is just an extreme mirror of the Materium
rotund siren
yes
final seal
tzeentch vs creed, go
median sundial
I reckon tzeentch should be beyond gender and even genitalia or any given geneti...
I’d imagine they’d change their gender so often that it’d make Nurgle not bother with pronouns and Khorne throw his arms up in intense frustration trying to guess his gender on a hourly basis. Slaneesh’d turn it into an in joke between the 2 Chaos Gals.
final spruce
I mean some Chaos gods are in made very ot not at all associated to a gender
Like Slaneesh representing the space elf inbetween, Khrone being the stereotypical testosterone male etc
Which is fine in a sense since they are based off emotion
open marsh
Khorne: buff bloodthirsty dude:
Nurgle: Big fat jolly old man
Tzeentch: actually genderless
Slaanesh: Hermaphrodite.
median sundial
Nurgle’s a fat dude, Tzeetch’s up in the air. That’s why my head canon is that Tzeetch is a malevolent transvestite just to drive his brothers up the wall.
final spruce
i'd like to believe Tzeentch would be above that physical nonsense
plucky moth
hm
open marsh
i'd like to believe Tzeentch would be above that physical nonsense
Thats basically the reason
final spruce
That's give him his own niche
plucky moth
pretty sure tzeentch is supposed to be on a level that is beyond any given human comprehension
final spruce
He is
atomic pelican
cease
plucky moth
like to them it'd make perfect sense (or maybe not) but it would fall into a realm that goes outside human conceptions
final spruce
open marsh
final seal
teeth
final spruce
like to them it'd make perfect sense (or maybe not) but it would fall into a rea...
Def sounds like the definition of eldritch to me
plucky moth
yea he's like straight up cosmic horror
final spruce
Let's just hope its not as racist as Lovecraft portrayed it
final seal
but is that really its true form?
rotund siren
"it" fits more in the Eldritch tones, no?
plucky moth
Tzeentch might not even be aware of their true form
median sundial
like to them it'd make perfect sense (or maybe not) but it would fall into a rea...
It’s not about the humans, not with Tzeetch. Tzeetch is all about the unknowable, and using that to constantly tease the other Dark Gods’d be perfectly in line for “him”.
final seal
i think it just make whatever form out of a whim
plucky moth
like he's above and beyond anything that could be comprehended
any anything about him that is comprehensible is just as likely to be a ruse as not
he's on some like
final seal
this is tzeentch
plucky moth
Rocco's basilisk level shit
rotund siren
Kafkaesque shit there
median sundial
What’re ya saying? Tzeetch can’t mess with the other gods for his own amusement?
median sundial
Or is it that his form can be only comprehended by those on his same level of existence, therefore I am asking a question that never meant to be answered by mortal beings such as you and I.
?
plucky moth
yes
atomic pelican
I personally subscribe to the meme that Lovecraft just didn't know how to write descriptions so he put down every monster as being indescribable, and as such, tzeentch is infact actually just a pigeon
plucky moth
he might even be beyond his own understanding too
final seal
you cannot be predictable if you cannot predict yourself, i say
plucky moth
I personally subscribe to the meme that Lovecraft just didn't know how to write ...
lmao
but yea it's like
azzazoth type stuff where if he wakes up then existence just ends
best not to think about it
median sundial
Switching back to Slaneesh for a different question: When she was first born, did Slaneesh edit her form to better appease the other gods when she first talked to them or something?
final spruce
Why would it ?
final spruce
The Chaos gods hate each other no matter what happens
dusk skiff
slaanesh probably chose whatever form let them experience excess the best
final spruce
They always try to eat each other to gain dominance
median sundial
The Chaos gods hate each other no matter what happens
BUT WHAT IF MAN? sniff What if?
atomic pelican
If u want Wholesome Slaanesh💯 just look at Syll
final spruce
Sadly I believe Ifs don't have room in lore
I know you're the type of people to break conventions and molds
(And also game balance)
median sundial
OI
dusk skiff
isn't part of 40k that the lore (at least on the human side) is unreliable and has huge holes
atomic pelican
That's just part of 40k lore as a whole really
I don't think It's necessarily on purpose tho
Moreso just the series being way too big to be consistent
plucky moth
it's a good plot device to cover for the fact that the lore is actually inconsistent
atomic pelican
Yee
median sundial
Hold on I got a good summary of the lore...
plucky moth
a kind of meta joke really
final spruce
Yeah 40k is everywhere and nowhere at the same time
plucky moth
like how Deadpool is aware he's actually in a comic
dusk skiff
that summary is either going to be an unrepentant wall of text or "stuff happened, maybe" lol
atomic pelican
P much
median sundial
Here’s what I think of the lore:
final seal
yes
dusk skiff
I blame the greenskins, clearly they have believed in things that aren't true so hard that it has changed history and lore over time
rotund siren
of course
final seal
grot-infiltrated black library
rotund siren
lol
atomic pelican
Don't underestimate the lowly grot
They can outshoot even the most trained in crowds
plucky moth
really if big E had a huge brain he'd have worn green armour instead of gold and gotten the orks on his side
unlimited power
rotund siren
they can shoot trains? that is impressive
atomic pelican
rotund siren
I'm sorry, I just love slightly misinterpreting things to give them an entirely new meaning
it's quite fun
wordplay is the best
final seal
give big enough shokk attack gun they CAN shoot trains
teleports trains inside an individual
atomic pelican
TT 'fluff' is truly the best fluff
as grots in packs can outshoot your average guardsman and fire warrior
in terms of accuracy at least
rotund siren
wow
odd sparrow
poggers
fire warriors are so inaccurate tbh. i have wet dreams of 3+ BS fire warriors
but it shall never be
atomic pelican
High strength at least, for infantry choice
odd sparrow
yea that's their advantage. high strength, long range, markerlights can make up for their crappy BS
final spruce
Please no
odd sparrow
do they suck now? they're not really a thing in KT so
final spruce
Don't buff Tau BS
odd sparrow
hey i'm not saying it should be buffed
final spruce
It just will make them even more niche
atomic pelican
Yee markerlights are like, almost completely ignored
In most competitve stuff I've seen
Most people run FSE because of that
odd sparrow
i'm just saying it's so much more satisfying to have like, skitarii at 3+ or whatever
atomic pelican
The only good ML # is 1 and 5 so just getting the 1 from FSE is good
odd sparrow
huh, that's unfortunate. last i checked they were still like, essential
final spruce
Kathaphron really suffer from those
odd sparrow
yea fair
final spruce
Well atleast now you know why Guard players solely rely on the tank commanders
atomic pelican
So people run FSE and get the free 1 marketlight
final seal
killteam is awesome
atomic pelican
Doesn't help that it seems methods of applying markerlights is super spotty to begin with
final spruce
Heh its not that scary
atomic pelican
are*
final spruce
If you get killteam you get 40k
odd sparrow
well yeah obvs i know how it works but like, killteam is way more compact
final seal
killteam is somewhat a way to slowly build your army towards 40k
odd sparrow
there aren't really any super cheesy things in KT
atomic pelican
KT is greato
odd sparrow
or like, gamey or whatever you'd call them
atomic pelican
Tbh I'm p sure KT's balance team knows better than big 40k's
Which... seems to be a theme with skirmish games
final seal
killteam slowly expands towards commander expansion and elite
odd sparrow
to be fair it's def a lot easier to balance a smol skirmish game than the full ass clusterfuck that is mainstream 40k
final seal
from 100 points of troops to 200+
odd sparrow
ye
atomic pelican
Yee I'm doing that with GSC since they're so ass-fuck expensive to get a full army for
final seal
from there you can already move on to small 40k
atomic pelican
My big 40k army are Tau since they're pretty cheap comparatively
final seal
hides
odd sparrow
it seems like special weapon bois are like, super meta defining
railguns for the tau, transuranics for skitarii, etc
that kind of vibe
odd sparrow
ye
final seal
++ Kill Team List (Astra Militarum) [128pts] ++
- Configuration +
List Configuration: Matched Play: Kill Team
- Commander +
Tempestor Prime [29pts]: Display Voice of Command Orders, Power Sword, Tempestus Command Rod
. Strategist
- Leader +
Special Weapons Gunner [8pts]: Catachan, Plasma gun
. Leader
- Specialists +
Guardsman Gunner [8pts]: Catachan, Flamer
. Demolitions
Scion Gunner [13pts]: Meltagun
. Heavy
Scion Gunner [13pts]: Plasma gun
. Sniper
- Specialist Retainers +
Pious Vorne [15pts]: No Regiment
- Non-specialists +
Scion Gunner [13pts]: Meltagun
Scion Gunner [13pts]: Plasma gun
Special Weapons Gunner [8pts]: Catachan, Flamer
Special Weapons Gunner [8pts]: Catachan, Flamer
++ Total: [128pts] ++
Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)
my cheese
odd sparrow
PLASMA AND FLAMERS INTENSIFY
final seal
FLAMERS ARE MVP
atomic pelican
Yeehaw baby
atomic pelican
I've been wondering if I could do some stupid shit with like
3 iridium crisis suits in KT or if there's a limit, I haven't quite looked
I know you can run them and they have like
whacky statblocks
odd sparrow
i'm sorta meh about crisis suits personally
i wanna make a pulse blaster spam KT, purely cus shotgun tau are so fun
atomic pelican
U right
I'm thinking about doing crisis suits + breachers because I don't want to rail rifle blast my partner into not wanting to play
FHNFJHN
odd sparrow
extremely understandable
i still want maybe a few rail rifles, gotta remind the space marine players of their place
but
odd sparrow
precisely
atomic pelican
Same goes for triptide
odd sparrow
triptide for main 40k and rail rifle spam for KT
final seal
i hate drones, dont skip drones
odd sparrow
drones are really fun tbh
final seal
yes
final seal
but not for the opposite side hahah
atomic pelican
hehe dice go rattle
odd sparrow
pulse carbines go brrrr
you'll still probs miss all ur shots cus their BS is 5 but
!!! THOUGH
RECON DRONES
atomic pelican
Drone Controller friend
odd sparrow
i love them
atomic pelican
for all the buddies.
odd sparrow
my children
final seal
i hate drones because of saviour protocol
atomic pelican
I love my XV88 with his drone controller and gaggle of drones
odd sparrow
recon drone + rail rifle pathfinder
if u stay far away u get shot without cover, if u get close u get blaster'd and/or saviour protocol'd
we stan
I've not used drone controllers yet, how do they even work
atomic pelican
They just add +1 BS to drones near the suit
odd sparrow
oooh
atomic pelican
It's Pretty Good if you wanna roll with either gun drones or markerlight drones
Makes them Actually Hit Thing
odd sparrow
good stuff
final seal
the last match against 4 stealth suits + couple of drones got the best of me 
turning scions +3 bs into +5 and getting savior'd when scoring a hit
and let's not talk about its FLY shenanigans
odd sparrow
oh man yeah a full flying killteam sounds traumatic
terrain? what's that
all ur objective points are belong to us
final seal
literally that happened
charge! fix bayonets! wait a min- where'd he go...
stealth soot floats above you and rain hell with burst cannons
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
odd sparrow
i have this like. giant tower terrain thing, it's like 10 inches in total height, and it's SO haggard with flying units in KT
brb just gonna rain hell on u from all the way up here, also u can't even come up here without taking numerous turns of climbing
die mad, imp
final seal
guardsman crawling up the wall and screaming "I'M GONNA GET YOUUU" is my head canon
odd sparrow
XENOS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA as the stealth suit starts revving their burst cannon up
cloud kindle
then the comissar arrives with a dump truck and just dumps guardsmen all over
what we lack in tech and common sense we make up for in sheer fucking numbers
odd sparrow
i miss the reasonable imperium
final seal
maybe too much galactic scale warpf**kery that requires abandoning of reason
cerulean wagon
i still run reasonable imperium stuff for rpgs cause like
man
main lore imperium is a meme at this point
open marsh
i miss the reasonable imperium
Guilliman is slowly bringing it back
odd sparrow
pls
remember in the original write of the damocles crusade where the imps and tau agreed to a temporary truce in light of the fighting not being beneficial at that time
yea can u see the imps agreeing to that now
i miss that imperium
final spruce
You mean the same Imperium that made an alliance with the Ynnari ?
odd sparrow
also the necrons
yea maybe i shouldn't pretend modern day over the top imperium doesn't fuck with xenos
glass cairn
I think the whole thing about xenos is probably not exactly what the emperor envisioned in the first place - he laid down a general rule which was for the most part true (xenos really fucked us and we gotta get rid of them) but didnt oversee every application of that rule to every civilisation and because he left megaviolent supersoldiers with that general instruction they simply killed everything they came across
final spruce
I mean Big E's initial thought about Xenos was kill them if they get in our way but leave them alone if they wish no harm upon Humanity or something very similar
open marsh
It was more "Leave them alone if they arent a big threat and get around to them later"
plush mason
I mean Big E's initial thought about Xenos was kill them if they get in our way ...
tbh he was kinda right
the xenos had really fucked the galaxy over
open marsh
Remember that one, peaceful xenos species...that turns out could be ground down into a powerful rejuvinate treatment. So the Imperium harvested them to extinction?
storm jungle
in here a majority of the alien races humanity face are legitimately evil
plush mason
ofc humanity hasnt done any better
plush mason
in here a majority of the alien races humanity face are legitimately evil
humans more so than most of them
storm jungle
Not really
open marsh
in here a majority of the alien races humanity face are legitimately evil
and, conversely, humanity is evil AF towards xenos who are just trying to survive too
storm jungle
The imperium is evil but it would be a lot better than dying to assholes like this:
plush mason
still the imperium is the greater evil when compared to minor xeno races
open marsh
everyone is the bad guy
Only non-bad guys were the Interex
And they....they didnt last long
storm jungle
open marsh
Fuck Erebus
plush mason
yes
open marsh
A peaceful and cooperative alliance of humans and xenos who were teamed up to destroy chaos
Actual good guys
killed off in like 1 book
because of a single douchebag
glass cairn
lol
yeah thats about right
honestly the imperium would be a better place if Salamanders were in charge
open marsh
Its why we love 40k. You cant get that from other series
glass cairn
^
Yeah everyone is pretty horrible to everyone because its all realpolitik necessary for survival
plush mason
yup
open marsh
Humanity and the Eldar are starting to form more alliances.
plush mason
Humanity and the Eldar are starting to form more alliances.
they have done that many times before
open marsh
they have done that many times before
Yeah, but its happening more
plush mason
ofc
visual pumice
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/0/05/Slaugth1.jpg
what is that? looks fucking sick
plush mason
nothing bridges divides like a common threat
open marsh
ofc
Guilliman realizes that the biggest threat to humanity isnt the xenos, its chaos. And he is willing to atleast hold off on the usual xenocidal things if it means dealing with Chaos
storm jungle
what is that? looks fucking sick
The Slaught!
wormy boyz that make bigger wormy boyz
glass cairn
I feel like Eldar might have been able to even make a more permanant peace but
A) they are a race of arrogant dicks who see humans as animals and thus have no problem spending their lives to save their own
B) apparently (even somewhat to this day) the imperium cant always distinguish between craftworld eldar, corsairs or dark eldar which probably does not help either
open marsh
and the inquisiton hates him for it iirc
The Inquisiton would hate him no matter what because he is a threat to their power
plush mason
correct
glass cairn
Also in fairness to them they feel as if they have direct orders from the emperor that they have been carrying out for 10k years
then girlyman comes back and starts changing everything
open marsh
Except Guilliman does have direct, and more recent, orders
plush mason
I feel like Eldar might have been able to even make a more permanant peace but
A...
ok the fact the imperium cant tell a craftworld eldar from the BDMS sweet goblins called the dark eldar only proves the eldar right
visual pumice
love worm boiz
final spruce
More like they didn't have to account to anyone until he showed up and messed up the political dynamic
storm jungle
love worm boiz
THE best worm boys
open marsh
More like they didn't have to account to anyone until he showed up and messed up...
Only people who could rival their power were the Custodes, and the Custodes never left the palace.
glass cairn
I think its probably annoying for the inquisition who have been pretty strict with the rules to be overruled and given opposite instructions
final spruce
Until Gulliman told them to move their ass if I remember correctly
Or was it the SoS ?
open marsh
Until Gulliman told them to move their ass if I remember correctly
It was Guilliman putting boot to High Lord ass
storm jungle
the guy put down a coup and everything
plush mason
Or was it the SoS ?
iirc he reforged the SoS after they saved him from magnus
final spruce
I meant the Custodes getting out of the palace
glass cairn
as a side note I legitimately hope this game leads to some interest in the inquisition on tabletop and they bring back henchmen
or for the love of god at least buff acolytes
open marsh
So yeah, Guilliman rivals (if not outright overpowers) them, and he released the Custodes upon the galaxy, another force who can tell the Inquisition to shove their heads up their asses
The Inquisition is not happy
plush mason
So yeah, Guilliman rivals (if not outright overpowers) them, and he released the...
the inquisiton already had its heads up its ass
open marsh
the inquisiton already had its heads up its ass
You know what I mean >:v
plush mason
lol
final spruce
Guilliman made alot of enemies just by existing but it makes sense
open marsh
How to make enemies: change things
final spruce
He knows what was the Imperium and for him the vision of the Emperor is still fresh in his memory
plush mason
^^^^^^^^^^^
glass cairn
also the Ecclesiarchy
open marsh
And Guilliman is changing more stuff in the Imperium that has been in 10,000 years
plush mason
?
storm jungle
also the Ecclesiarchy
the Custodes actually talk about how the church will most likely be exterminated once Big E comes around
plush mason
^
storm jungle
and that they are basically useful tools
final spruce
I mean, cleaning up the High Lords table, defending the Imperium agaisnt Chaos, Defeated Magnus and almost held back Mortarion
storm jungle
its in the Gate of Bones novel, pretty recent
final spruce
I mean he got shit done
glass cairn
Emps 100% achieved/is about to achieve apotheosis (when he dies) and he has literal goddamn angels which are just his version of daemons
storm jungle
Yeee he literally needs to just get unplugged
terra can get krumped for all we care
open marsh
Yeah the Talisman is Seven Hammers will make sure that Terra goes pop if the Emperor ever dies
:l
glass cairn
also he just straight up lied (probably because he thought he could kill the chaos gods not realising they run on emotion not just worship)
plush mason
i still dont know what all actual defends terra
glass cairn
people treat the Imperial Creed as nonsense
plush mason
the custodies defend the palace
open marsh
also he just straight up lied (probably because he thought he could kill the cha...
To be fair, the Emperor's plan was working. He was making the Chaos Gods hurt. Its why they stopped their great game to turn and deal with him
glass cairn
when in reality the Imperial Truth was simply always wrong
plush mason
but what about the rest of the planet?
glass cairn
true
final spruce
but what about the rest of the planet?
Well they got guardsmen and a shitton of firepower
glass cairn
though i think that had more to do with the webway project @open marsh
that was the real threat
open marsh
No.
plush mason
Well they got guardsmen and a shitton of firepower
does terra have its only regiment?
glass cairn
Id like to make some geno soldiers for table top one day
storm jungle
does terra have its only regiment?
Terra has the enire solar system
open marsh
The webway project would have helped. But the chaos gods dont get too much power from people traveling the warp. Its why Geller fields exist
glass cairn
yeah but thats what the webway project was about
an alternative to warp travel and then seal off the warp permanently
plush mason
The webway project would have helped. But the chaos gods dont get too much power...
the webway project was going to cut humanity off from the warp entirly
glass cairn
^
open marsh
The webway would have helped the emperor's goal. But it wasnt the main thing hurting the chaos gods
plush mason
so all the souls the chaos gds feed apne would have stopped coming
open marsh
It would have the been the cherry on top
glass cairn
I think your wrong on this one surely thats the main threat
plush mason
tell that to the eldar
open marsh
We have seen that in the Necron null fields
Seen what happens to even baseline humans when exposed to nullfields?
Read this.
glass cairn
Yeah but thats nullfields isnt it
plush mason
dont they rip out souls?
glass cairn
not necessarily webway project
open marsh
Yeah but thats nullfields isnt it
Which cut off the warp
glass cairn
yeah but thats correlation not causation
like it seems from that its not being cut off from the warp that does that but the manner in which nullfields achieve that
open marsh
Have you read the last Psychic Awakening? The Mechanicus find a way to temporarily cut off the warp too
plush mason
plus the human webway would have acted as a passageway right to the emperor's chaos realm
open marsh
result: alot of people died as their souls were ripped from their bodies
open marsh
The purpose wasnt to cut off the warp. The purpose was to kill the chaos gods and calm the warp so that humanity could shape it to their own needs
Otherwise. Big E would have worked to convert all humanity to psychic blanks
glass cairn
sorry homie but you're wrong on this one
storm jungle
open marsh
"No you're wrong lol"
Cant argue with that
glass cairn
"The ultimate objective of the Webway Project was for the Emperor to completely sever humanity from the Warp in its entirety, depriving Chaos of its power. This would come as the Emperor guided the species in its evolution into a fully psychic race, assuring its ascendancy on the galactic stage." - 1: Master of Mankind (Novel) Chapter 3
plush mason
lol
glass cairn
yeah i was posting it you nong
open marsh
> "The ultimate objective of the Webway Project was for the Emperor to completel...
Getting my copy of MoM
final spruce
Wait there is an issue with that statement
You need the warp to be a psyker
You cannot cut yourself from the warp and become a psychic race
plush mason
his plan was to cut them off untill the chaos gods starved to death
storm jungle
Im pretty sure everyone agreed that was a stupid plan
plush mason
true
glass cairn
oops chapter 13
storm jungle
like, almost generally in the entire fandom
glass cairn
hey im just going off what the wikis say
i never said GW plots made sense or were consistent
plush mason
its GW...
crisp heath
but like
what are the options
psychic abilities provide clear advantages
but chaos is obviously an obstacle
open marsh
Just reread chapter 3 of master of mankind. It doesnt say any of that
final spruce
The option was to get the fuck out in the webway
plush mason
oops chapter 13
@open marsh
final spruce
But we all know how it ended
plush mason
hey im just going off what the wikis say
wikis are very hit or miss on the lore
open marsh
Reread 13. and realized that what me and Fireteam were saying were the same thing. But the Webway project was still just the cherry on top. not the main goal
Ra pointed out that the Eldar had full use of the webway and it didnt sever their connection to the warp, merely lessed their need for its use
plush mason
the main goal was killing the chaos gods
plush mason
the human webway was the main means for him to do it
open marsh
Starve the chaos gods. calm the warp. evolve humanity to a psychic race. mold the warp to our wishes
open marsh
the human webway was the main means for him to do it
It was part of the plan, not the main thing
Otherwise the Eldar wouldnt have been able to make Slaanesh
plush mason
Otherwise the Eldar wouldnt have been able to make Slaanesh
ok at that time most eldar didnt use/live in the wedway
open marsh
With the webway, humanity would need no Navigators. They would never need to rely on the unreliable warp-whispers of astropaths. Vessels would never enter the warp to be lost or torn apart by the entities that dwelt within it. But the eldar had done the same, had they not?
The Webway project was just part of the Emperor's plan
open marsh
The main part was stopping worship that could empower the chaos gods. The Webway Project was just to help cut off the need for warp travel (where the chaos gods could nom souls directly) as well as remove the need for Navigators and Astropaths (who could otherwise be used by Chaos as conduits to attack that way)
plush mason
i still want to know just wtf big e is in truth
open marsh
He is a man
storm jungle
^
open marsh
Just a very powerful one
storm jungle
That stupid "hes a Dark age of technology weapon" thing really needs to die
its so stupid
plush mason
just super gene mogged?
open marsh
Really does
storm jungle
Not really
crisp heath
the emperor is a hunk with a thing for gold and bad communication skills
storm jungle
hes a regular person, just über psyker powered
open marsh
We have multiple sources that show Big E existed as far back as the dawn of human civilization
open marsh
proto-hittite
crisp heath
but yep he's legit 100% human
plush mason
We have multiple sources that show Big E existed as far back as the dawn of huma...
wasnt that going to be retconned?
crisp heath
not genetically edited or anything
storm jungle
wasnt that going to be retconned?
Nah thats the shaman deal
which still isnt unconfirmed
open marsh
wasnt that going to be retconned?
No. It was even reinforced by the testamony of Ollanius Pius
storm jungle
Oh yeah he burned down the Tower of Babel too with the guy
storm jungle
m e t a l
plush mason
so he isnt human?
open marsh
He is human
crisp heath
he is
open marsh
He is a perpetual. and a powerful psyker
crisp heath
he's human he's just a power anomaly as a psyker
final spruce
I do'nt see what's wrong with Big E existing
Malcador wasn't a human weapon from what I remember
He was a powerhouse
plush mason
their abillity to return from death is the most unnatural thing i can think of
storm jungle
i dont see the perpetuals as human myself
They are human
just... poorly implemented
and yeah their respawn thing is just "wat"
barren tapir
It seems you are having fun over here
crisp heath
if you believe in reincarnation in any manner then they're just people who retain their identities and experiences from past lives
plush mason
and yeah their respawn thing is just "wat"
yeah its like "wtf did i not just kill you?!"
barren tapir
And someone was shittalking the imperial truth...
storm jungle
storm jungle
if you believe in reincarnation in any manner then they're just people who retai...
Yeah i think the only perp i like is Pious
plush mason
if you believe in reincarnation in any manner then they're just people who retai...
what they do is so far from true reincarnation
storm jungle
who apparnently was one of the argonauts and everything
the guy fought in the gulf war too apparently
like ooft
barren tapir
He was also in the somme iirc
crisp heath
i liked his interpretation as just a regular guardsman better tho
odd sparrow
Wasn't he also Catholic tho
storm jungle
No no
barren tapir
Yes
odd sparrow
ah yes
plush mason
Catheric™️
that poor basterd
odd sparrow
I'll avoid being racist to catholics just this once
barren tapir
Oh, and btw, the best evolution for mankind isn't becoming psykers, it is becoming blanks
plush mason
I'll avoid being racist to catholics just this once
idc about any of that the cathars where the only true christians to ever exist
crisp heath
Oh, and btw, the best evolution for mankind isn't becoming psykers, it is becomi...
Nice try C’tan, you ain’t gettin my soul
storm jungle
LOL
odd sparrow
Oh idc about no true scotsman stuff I just don't like Catholicism tbh
storm jungle
Tbh i dont like religion in any form. But i aint gonna go full reddit-atheist against anyone
barren tapir
Nice try C’tan, you ain’t gettin my soul
Never wanted it... I guess you have a long line of entities asking for that though
storm jungle
unlike some other golden dude
odd sparrow
Hey I wouldn't mind the Catholic Church on religious grounds if it like
open marsh
i liked his interpretation as just a regular guardsman better tho
There was another Ollanius. Who faced down Angron. Defending the Emperor's flag. And the remebrancer just played up his legend as having faced horus himself, while defending the Emperor.
Its such a 40k thing to me. This bullshit, overblown legend became gospel truth and a rally cry for the Imperial Guard....all based on a lie. Its so 40k grimdark
plush mason
lol
crisp heath
storm jungle
There was another Ollanius. Who faced down Angron. Defending the Emperor's flag....
That part confuses me so fucking much
WHO IS THE REAL PIOUS
odd sparrow
Stopped consistently combating women's rights and other such things uwu
crisp heath
we need religion to make decent aesthetics tho
plush mason
Stopped consistently combating women's rights and other such things uwu
amen
open marsh
WHO IS THE REAL PIOUS
Like many legends IRL. a legendary character can be put together from the tales of many individuals
barren tapir
WHO IS THE REAL PIOUS
Just a simple man... That is what make him so great
plush mason
Like many legends IRL. a legendary character can be put together from the tales ...
correct
storm jungle
Yeee its 40k's kink
crisp heath
look at how architecture has degraded without it, look at soviet brutalism in habitable architecture and tell me we don't need christianity to inspire us to slap some ornaments on it (but ideally let's stop there)
odd sparrow
Still, not even the strongest among Christians tbh. Eastern orthodoxy exists
open marsh
WHO IS THE REAL PIOUS
Ollanius Persson & Ollanius Persson
Their stories together create the legend of Ollanius Pius
crisp heath
tfw my poor protestant background ass only has suburban folk in flannel shirts
plush mason
its believed the legand of hercules is in fact a patch work of 12 different men in one legend
crisp heath
It’s ain’t much but it’s somethin i guess
crisp heath
Still, not even the strongest among Christians tbh. Eastern orthodoxy exists
central european gothic architecture
barren tapir
look at how architecture has degraded without it, look at soviet brutalism in ha...
I will take ugly homes over useless churches any day
crisp heath
i've lived in one of those ugly homes all my life sometimes it makes you want to slit your throat
open marsh
>tfw my poor protestant background ass only has suburban folk in flannel shirts
With small wooden churchs....or go full american and just have your church in an abandoned strip mall
:v
odd sparrow
Ew American churches
odd sparrow
If a church doesn't have a proper like. Tower thing idk. Then it's not a church
crisp heath
Tbh never seen a stripmall church but I’m willing to bet there are
odd sparrow
It's just not
barren tapir
i've lived in one of those ugly homes all my life sometimes it makes you want to...
You had a home at least
crisp heath
central & south is cool.
plush mason
Ew American churches
ummmm most american churches are prodistant so
odd sparrow
It also needs to be made out of stone, maaaybe wood if it's in the right shape
open marsh
Me, growing up in a Southern Baptist family: sees dinky ass church "Man how can people believe this shit?"
Me, visiting a cathedral in France: "Ohhhhh.....now I get it. This is badass..."
barren tapir
South america had amazing structures
storm jungle
meanwhile me as a turk: 🕌
odd sparrow
The architecture is the sole saving grace of Christianity
final spruce
Yeah there are Cathedrals in almost every medium town here
crisp heath
churches need stone, some arches inside, some paintings on them, an ornamental pulpit, a big tower with a bell and an ornate clock, and if they are made of wood they need to be super ornate
crisp heath
it IS.
atomic pelican
We got megachurches which are both boring to look at and mildly concerning
plush mason
churches need stone, some arches inside, some paintings on them, an ornamental p...
all of that speaks of greed and vanity
odd sparrow
I love my lil quirky churches. The type that's been standing since like 1300 but still looks super basic
barren tapir
Nice wood churches were those made in the north of europe
crisp heath
**meanwhile me as a turk:** 🕌
I never really paid attention to mosques but how ornate are they?
plush mason
the house of god is made of sin
odd sparrow
Super ornate nonsense is more of a European Catholic thing
storm jungle
I never really paid attention to mosques but how ornate are they?
Same deal as any religious building kinda?
open marsh
**meanwhile me as a turk:** 🕌
American churchs are generally pathetic. You have: small unimpressive backwater churchs, adhoc churchs set up in any old building they can find (usually after the preacher was kicked out of the last church and wants his own congregation), or "megachurches" which are just massive financial scams meant to milk the faithful for money
storm jungle
its up to where it is and how popular it is
crisp heath
Super ornate nonsense is more of a European Catholic thing
i'm violently european tho
Eh, to each their own
atomic pelican
its up to where it is and how popular it is
Theres a church near me with a rock band FHDHD
crisp heath
i eat schnitzels weekly
odd sparrow
Yea I can respect it
atomic pelican
Its awful
final spruce
You mean catholic rock ?
crisp heath
how was it
christian rock isn't making christianity cooler, it's just making rock worse
open marsh
I think this has deviated abit from lore chat and gotten too real
plush mason
christian rock isn't making christianity cooler, it's just making rock worse
took the words right outa my mouth
distant harness
American churchs are generally pathetic. You have: small unimpressive backwater ...
What do you expect when you combine americans and Pr*ts
It's like throwing up on a pile of garbage and going "wow this is really unappealing"
plush mason
tbh please remember that jesus said these grand temples are not needed to worship god.......
open marsh
tbh please remember that jesus said these grand temples are not needed to worshi...
But they help
storm jungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0sdR-UdYzg
god that game's soundtrack is so good
plush mason
But they help
no they do not
barren tapir
the Custodes actually talk about how the church will most likely be exterminated...
Could you share more about this please?
crisp heath
tfw actual Montana is ultra calm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNs4zSKK9S4 this is the kind of religious music i like
Still very pretty
storm jungle
Could you share more about this please?
One moment
crisp heath
But it’s very very tranquil
barren tapir
One moment
Thanks
distant harness
Don't think anyone thinks they're necessary, they're just a way of venerating God, and look cool also
crisp heath
Or boring depending whom is asking
atomic pelican
Montana and around that area are gorgeous. Friend told me they actually do have those megacult problems tho
crisp heath
lel
plush mason
Don't think anyone thinks they're necessary, they're just a way of venerating Go...
so they try to venerate him thru sin?
distant harness
Building cool stuff is not a sin lol
crisp heath
Megacult enough to get the Alphabet boys involved?
plush mason
yall are more crazy than i thought
barren tapir
so they try to venerate him thru sin?
Humans are very incoherent beings
atomic pelican
Megacult enough to get the Alphabet boys involved?
Sometimes. But alot of them have alot of local gov rep/are too 'mundane' to be really stopped.
open marsh
yall are more crazy than i thought
Rural areas in general have that problem.
plush mason
Building cool stuff is not a sin lol
vanity greed and pride are all sins
distant harness
I remember the 11th commandment - "Thou shalt never do anything cool, ever"
storm jungle
Thanks
Its from the newest/recent 40k book during the Indomitus Crusade alled Zhe Gate of Bones
this shaskais guy wrote a REALLY indepth summary of it
plush mason
all 3 go into building those buildings
distant harness
Building a cool church is not vanity, pride or greed
storm jungle
i suggest a read since it has really interesting parts
crisp heath
all 3 go into building those buildings
That’s what you believe
barren tapir
Its from the newest/recent 40k book during the Indomitus Crusade alled **Zhe Gat...
Thanks
crisp heath
Not what they believe
crisp heath
And that’s how it’ll be
plush mason
And that’s how it’ll be
correct
crisp heath
yes
distant harness
People don't build the churches to venerate themselves, they're clearly not greedy considering they're spending the money on a building instead of themselves, and I don't get how vanity is even relevant or what you mean by that
Wanting to look good isn't a sin
open marsh
Me, looking at dinky american church: "Eh, if this place caught fire, nothing important is lost"
Me, looking at awesome french cathedral: "....Im not even in this religion and Id defend this place with my life...."
plush mason
ofc most christians care more for the dogma than the savior
distant harness
Are you even christian?
barren tapir
ofc most christians care more for the dogma than the savior
It is something that happen with all religions
plush mason
Are you even christian?
i was
distant harness
So no
final spruce
I mean France is an old country that had a powerful religion influence, ofc it will be covered by churches
And Cathedrals
distant harness
but you're lecturing people on their beliefs anyway lol
crisp heath
So when the Emperor of Man blew up the Last Church, did he commit a hate crime by essentially blowing up a world heritage site?
plush mason
but you're lecturing people on their beliefs anyway lol
some things are hard to let go of
final spruce
Italy has even more of that aswell
distant harness
I'm sure you'll recover
plush mason
my christian upbringing was that we are right and most tell everyone else they are wrong
open marsh
One of the most telling things I have seen recently is this massive church in town....doors closed while the homeless slept outside in the freezing cold
Im like "Im pretty sure this would cause Jesus to go ham with a whip and cane or something..."
distant harness
I always thought that was a weird criticism, at least for catholic churches
like it's one of, if not the largest ngo charity provider in the world
plush mason
Im like "Im pretty sure this would cause Jesus to go ham with a whip and cane or...
oh it would
crisp heath
my christian upbringing was that we are right and most tell everyone else they a...
Ya know I feel like that, strict schooling, and/or abuse seem to be the biggest reasons for people leaving the faith
storm jungle
This chat be like
plush mason
should the second coming ever happen first thing he will do is smack the hat right off the popes head
distant harness
reminder that far cry 5 is an anti-atheist story and that the cult was right
odd sparrow
the absolute worst element of christianity is the whole like, intolerance of other faiths. Total invalidation, whole lot of well clearly they r going to hell so we must save them by conversion etc etc
crisp heath
Being in touch with faith feels less about the faith itself and whether or not more about how one had either a good or bad experience with it, at least for a lot of folk
barren tapir
Im like "Im pretty sure this would cause Jesus to go ham with a whip and cane or...
I mean, he did that quite frequently
dim totem
This lore chat is going great
crisp heath
i'd say the guilt complex is worse
distant harness
Is there any belief system that isn't like that though?
plush mason
the absolute worst element of christianity is the whole like, intolerance of oth...
my early life ina nutshell
odd sparrow
oh yeah the whole guilt and martyrdom complex stuff is also a thing
distant harness
Like if you believe something you clearly think the things that you do not believe are wrong
crisp heath
abrahamic faiths overall are just intolerant in general
odd sparrow
nobody should be having to beg forgiveness from their own god?? like, seriously
dim totem
odd sparrow
ugh
crisp heath
polytheist pagans at least had rational, understandable reasons for war
plush mason
nobody should be having to beg forgiveness from their own god?? like, seriously
agreed
crisp heath
like land gains
plush mason
polytheist pagans at least had rational, understandable reasons for war
correct
crisp heath
not whether their way of venerating the same deity is the more correct one
The way I see it, a person is a sum of their actions as should be their faith
(but also just land gains, with an excuse)
open marsh
Volkite
storm jungle
Memekite
plush mason
***Memekite***
love it
crisp heath
If their actions related to faith fail to bring forth fruit, what good is it other than to be struck down and be replaced with new seeds. Actions not words.
odd sparrow
if jesus do be wanting to come back then can he pls hurry up
he's kinda caused a whole lot of genocide
some stuff needs to be rectified
distant harness
damn
jesus out there literally forcing people to murder entire groups of people without even being alive
open marsh
Less real world religion. More volkite
distant harness
what a gamer
atomic pelican
Jesus was the first gamer after all
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
Yeah I’m on this with Nuclear
distant harness
rising up from beyond the veil
open marsh
Pew
plush mason
Less real world religion. More volkite
yes before we end up banned
crisp heath
Volkite is a heat ray right?