throw china out of the window too
#40k-lore-chat
crisp heath
odd sparrow
and same incan
plush mason
wtf
crisp heath
defenestration committee
serene eagle
Unfortunately that's not exactly possible anymore
plush mason
i leave for like 5mins and the convo devoles to this?
plucky moth
I think anarchy would be fine if I'm the head of state
crisp heath
well you just need enough windows
atomic pelican
I agree
odd sparrow
being governed is actually just being dommed by the state.
crisp heath
i don't want normies in my squathouse anyway
serene eagle
How are you gonna stop a Government from converting your normies then annexing you?
plucky moth
crisp heath
no entry to normies
plush mason
so about erebus
serene eagle
well you just need enough windows
Defresntration as the main form of governing change
crisp heath
yes
if you survive it i'll drive you over with a tank and that's gonna be the only form of power enforcement i do
plush mason
who would win in a fight
serene eagle
no entry to normies
99% of the population are normies. You'll just get absorbed
plush mason
lucius or erebus?
odd sparrow
normies as a slur is very normie tbh
crisp heath
99% of the population are normies. You'll just get absorbed
there's nothing valuable to absorb here
serene eagle
if you survive it i'll drive you over with a tank and that's gonna be the only f...
No no, the only punishment is defenstration, the difference is how high.
If the person survives then GOD WILLS IT
plucky moth
anyway objectively speaking, the best system of government is actually the one where people don't debate politics in a video game discord
crisp heath
we're 99% memeing
atomic pelican
Hexagonal gamerism it is
With the glass ceiling finally gone, the most oppressed minority can rise
Gamers
crisp heath
No no, the only punishment is defenstration, the difference is how high.
If th...
hmmm, fair, but with the exception if you try to establish a government AND have a threatening mustache
if you do those 2 things at once its the treads for ya
final spruce
I wish I was a normie
plucky moth
ok Miss "what is Mozzarella"
crisp heath
why would you ever wish that
atomic pelican
ratty didn't know what mozzarella is?
plucky moth
IKR
odd sparrow
i'm pretty sure there's another cheese that goes on pizza that starts with M
crisp heath
ratty only knows that she does not like salt in her cheese
serene eagle
????? LOOK
Wait, are you a skaven main?
odd sparrow
and if i consistently mistake two things for eachother like that then i totally lose the ability to remember which one is correct
like
plush mason
i'm pretty sure there's another cheese that goes on pizza that starts with M
that is correct
final spruce
why would you ever wish that
Because normie seem happy
crisp heath
seem
odd sparrow
i keep forgetting if sunday or saturday come first in the week
odd sparrow
shut
plush mason
....monday does.
lies
odd sparrow
i mean like. which one is after the other
crisp heath
saturday
plush mason
thorsday
odd sparrow
it's saturday then sunday i'm 90% sure
plucky moth
well the week goes Sunday, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thurs, Fri, Saturday
atomic pelican
Friday night
odd sparrow
i'm slowly getting better with remembering it
final spruce
You know what they say, fake it till you own it
atomic pelican
let's dance
plucky moth
so it's saturday last
plush mason
the week is a cirucle
plucky moth
then it resets to sunday
odd sparrow
Wait, are you a skaven main?
how does that suggest i'm a skaven main
plush mason
it has no ending or beinging
plucky moth
so Saturday comes after Sunday after Saturday
odd sparrow
u have no beginning
plucky moth
crisp heath
well the week goes Sunday, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thurs, Fri, Saturday
no, mon, tue, wed, thurs, fri, sat, sun
odd sparrow
but i'll give u an ending
serene eagle
*how does that suggest i'm a skaven main*
Your name is literally Rattydew
atomic pelican
rat enthusiast
odd sparrow
yes,
odd sparrow
i prefer wood elves tho
crisp heath
sunday is the last day and during the last day you don't work
atomic pelican
I bet ur responsible for skaven always having the better half of the dlc aren't you
final spruce
I mean its in the name
crisp heath
yeah but the etymology is old
odd sparrow
hey no i maintain that woodies kinda got the better half of the last dlc
crisp heath
you start the week working and end it not working!
atomic pelican
Yee that's true tbh
Throt is really underwhelming to me
And his units are like.. hmm.. Just more Rats of varying sizes
plucky moth
Throt is good
being above kislev sucks
odd sparrow
yea. Like, there's no super cool big things that came with throt
plush mason
s who do yall think is the most pwerfull character in the 40k universe rn?
odd sparrow
idk kislev is a total pushover
crisp heath
unless you're me, then you start the week not working and end it not working.
atomic pelican
shas la kais
plucky moth
I mean as in
odd sparrow
i don't imagine they'll stay that way but
plucky moth
kislev is boring
atomic pelican
Kislev
odd sparrow
it's either kislev or u just
odd sparrow
time to get attrition'd down in norsca for several dozen turns
I def way prefer the starting position for the sisters. Like, lowkey the witchwood is one of the most defensible areas in the entire game for wood elves
plush mason
i bet kislev will be immune to chaos/winter attrition
odd sparrow
cus ur surrounded by a bunch of good heathland settlements to kinda give u a first line of defense, plus it's all mountains. and wood elves have amazing ambushes
plush mason
or atleast winter
atomic pelican
600th Beastman revival army walking into athel loren, which then dies to a single unit of eternal guard
odd sparrow
so u can just sorta camp out inbetween the mountains and ambush all the bdsm elves
fsilohbsp;i
plucky moth
poor beasties
odd sparrow
beastmen as wood elves are just. i swear they made them spawn WAY more for woodies than any other faction
but they're still just pushovers
atomic pelican
Yeah!
odd sparrow
locate cow
eliminate cow
plucky moth
"your hooves, hand them over" -Orion
odd sparrow
holuih
atomic pelican
Honestly I just always build the wall buildings in all the Athel Loren settlements so they can bean beastmen without problem
Only issue is the Oak of Ages garrison itself kinda sucking early game with no way to improve it
odd sparrow
i haven't played in actual athel loren since the dlc dropped so idk what that's like
plush mason
ngl those twins are scary
plucky moth
they kinda cute tho 
plush mason
they are one of the most OP ranged lords i have seen
odd sparrow
i love the sisters so much
no homo
Like. aesthetically and gameplay wise
plus the dialogue
plush mason
even more than the huntsmarshal
atomic pelican
I love how they make hawkriders go from kinda underwhelming to godtier
plush mason
his army is scary in the late game
plucky moth
when you realise you can just pack up, fuck off out of the jungle and invade ulthuan
odd sparrow
Naestra: harmony :) Arahan: WARFARE >:D Naestra: sister,,,,,, :/
plush mason
his huntsmen do more damage than most heavy artillery
plucky moth
and then cream morathi
odd sparrow
I've killed tyrion so many times
the only correct way to play wood elves is to declare war on every other faction.
gotta get that heathland health somehow
welcome to athel loren, u have volunteered for compost
plucky moth
aggressive negotiations
crisp heath
controversial opinion: high elves = worst elves
atomic pelican
Pre-emptively killing Tyrion for what he did to Orion
odd sparrow
hm
plucky moth
I don't think high elves are the worst elves
odd sparrow
in my current campaign tyrion headass has the sword of khaine and is at war with avelorn
sooooo
plucky moth
just all the worst elves happen to be high elves
crisp heath
everyone else goes harder with aesthetics or killiness
odd sparrow
oh yea it's all coming together
odd sparrow
well actually tyrion doesn't have it, one of his dumbass lords has it and he won't leave the phoenix gate
come out so i can take ur letter opener fuckboy
atomic pelican
Teclis and his lizard daddy protection in Lustria
odd sparrow
who doesn't want a saurus daddy
atomic pelican
Tru
plucky moth
I mean if I have to go lizard boys
crisp heath
even if dark elves are governed by a gimp with a mommy kink they make up for it by being unrepentant dicks with awesome looks
odd sparrow
'skinks'
plucky moth
I just lord kroak
odd sparrow
b
atomic pelican
bro
odd sparrow
he's a corpse incan
odd sparrow
AND IT'S A TOAD CORPSE TOO
plucky moth
wait I meant to play on campaign not
odd sparrow
Oh
atomic pelican
FJDH
odd sparrow
okay good
odd sparrow
peao;djg[pao9ejged
plucky moth
no I've already firmly decided red crested skinks
odd sparrow
i haven't properly played lizardmen yet tbh
crisp heath
lizörd
atomic pelican
Theyre kinda boring campaign wise imo
odd sparrow
though one thing is like
dull flame
Someone say lizardmen?
crisp heath
i havent even played the game i just have a hardon for dark elves
atomic pelican
High elves get boring unless Imrik because donut is so safe
odd sparrow
tehenhuein or however u spell his name
atomic pelican
Or Eltharion
odd sparrow
i LOVE hsi voice acting
plucky moth
Elf batman is fun
odd sparrow
one of his like, starting camera panning over world map things is him talking about all the invaders attacking lustria and holy shit
plucky moth
whereas Gor-rok is Champagne
odd sparrow
it's not even a real language but he's so pissed
and then u select him and just yells his name like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
i love him in particular.
atomic pelican
Im rlly excited for game 3 sincs Daemons are so cool both aesthetically and gameplay wise(atleast on tt)
plucky moth
odd sparrow
! oh yeah def
odd sparrow
it seems like we will be getting single factions for each god so i'm def gonna be curious about how they're gonna work
like
i imagine each roster will be a lil bit bare bones? like, smaller, with only one legendary lord and stuff
so i'm interested at how they're gonna handle that
you def don't need a big roster to be functional but it helps. like, wood elves were an extremely functional faction pre dlc but they have waaay more options playstyle wise now
daemons might end up being sorta binary, at least at the start. idk gonna have to see
atomic pelican
They could pull from AoS' daemon roster, since no reason those can't really fit WHF
Since those are all built as full armies
+Including the mortal worshippers/variants of that
odd sparrow
it seems like the keeper of secrets we saw in the trailer is the AoS version, so yeah it seems like they are taking AoS stuff
goat keeper of secrets not titty keeper of secrets
plush mason
i wonder if the gorequeen will be involved in someway
odd sparrow
there are def limits to it imo. Like, a lot of the end times and AoS stuff might be a lil too high fantasy, even for daemons
buuut then again
we're already getting giant khorne machine blood rhinos with chaos warriors on top so maybe i need to expect the weird
odd sparrow
inb4 the daemon beastmen units just get ported back to the regular beastmen faction
dull flame
We already have dinosaurs with sun lasers on their backs
odd sparrow
there's ur update fuckboy
plush mason
we're already getting giant khorne machine blood rhinos with chaos warriors on t...
the juggernoughts
odd sparrow
yeah idk it's not so much weird as like. aesthetics wise
AoS is very different to old school WHFB
it doesn't matter for the actual daemon models, they're daemons, but a few of them would lowkey stick out like a sore thumb
dull flame
S'why I think people who are weirded out by Kislev having bear cav and ice magic are odd
odd sparrow
daemons def would port over without issue but like, i mean specifically the mortals. even some end times models like the uhh
whatevertheywerecalled the end times khorne bois
atomic pelican
OOh yeah
odd sparrow
with flails. and like, stuff like hedonites of slaanesh-ish stuff and all that
plush mason
i hope we can pick which demon army to command
odd sparrow
very high fantasy armoured bois in super vivid colours and all
storm jungle
i hope we can pick which demon army to command
Its probably all gonna be a single army
plush mason
:c
odd sparrow
that's sorta AoS's thing and idk if they would work so well in WHFB without some modifications
storm jungle
I think AoS would work but it needs time
odd sparrow
and nah we do know that there will be six base factions on launch. So kislev, cathay and 4 monogod factions
dull flame
I hope they're not a single army. There's enough variation to give each god their own faction
odd sparrow
so they're def tackling individual armies straight out of the gate
plush mason
and nah we do know that there will be six base factions on launch. So kislev, ca...
yay
odd sparrow
and also an additional faction as a norsca-ish dlc, which is probs either ogres or chaos dorfs
so seven factions overall. gonna have to see how well they can handle that much content
plush mason
so who will lead the khorne demons?
plush mason
does the gorequeen lead armies?
odd sparrow
There will probs be some stuff in common between all the daemon factions so they won't be like, totally independent. We know furies exist
so they'll def be a harpy-ish unit common between all daemon factions
dull flame
Ka'Bandha I'm leaning towards since Skarbrand got exiled by Khorne
odd sparrow
gorequeen is the Valkyrie ripoff right?
storm jungle
yeah
odd sparrow
i've seen her discussed a lil, could def appear. plus there will def be dlc for this stuff
plush mason
gorequeen is the Valkyrie ripoff right?
yes khorne's messangeer
odd sparrow
Ka'Bandha I'm leaning towards since Skarbrand got exiled by Khorne
it could def be either, just some kind of big boy bloodthirster
def not getting both tho
cus don't need two big boy bloodthirsters
storm jungle
Demons are deffo gonna be mixed
plush mason
no
storm jungle
all the 4 armies got big strenghts and weaknesses not to mention it would be really unfair
Imagine playing nurgle, whos entire deal is tanking and being slow
you'd get riddled to death before you even got to anyone
odd sparrow
they've explicitly said there will be 6 base factions afaik, so yeah
odd sparrow
we're def getting monofactions
plush mason
the khorne and tzentch demons would spend most of their time killing etchother
odd sparrow
balancing could be an issue, but with furies they're all 100% getting some kind of mobile asset
nurgle included
dull flame
Nurgle has plague knights. Just cause they're all diseased and decayed doesn't mean they are mega slow.
odd sparrow
khorne will have no magic, slaanesh will probs be super squishy, we don't know if they'll implement the reliance on physical resistance stuff- making magical damage a hard counter to daemons
plush mason
the dark gods are more rivals than allies
odd sparrow
there's a lot of balancing concerns here
storm jungle
the dark gods are more rivals than allies
Not really
why would they even add such a feature
do you want your army to kill each other lol
open marsh
do you want your army to kill each other lol
Chaos: ....maybe?
odd sparrow
not to mention ogres, which are coming at some point. given they're like, 90% a large faction that relies on massive charge bonuses, and most basic chaff infantry has bonus vs large and charge defense vs large
buut CA has done a good job balancing their shit up to now
so
plush mason
do you want your army to kill each other lol
the chaos hordes do the same thing in 1 and 2 so
plush mason
no
odd sparrow
We're not sure how they'll do the daemons on the campaign map, but we are probs getting at least a vast expansion to the chaos wastes, or even a bit of the realm of chaos
odd sparrow
Daemons and chaosbois do infight a lot, but that's not represented yet
dull flame
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/e/e9/Festerwing_Drones.png/revision/latest?cb=20161017185810 IIRC these are End Times units but I want them as monstrous cav for Nurgle.
odd sparrow
chaos warriors are just one big faction
plush mason
You literally pick the guy as your general
they take attrition
storm jungle
all armies take attrition?
plush mason
for being next to eachother
odd sparrow
they def will represent it in game 3, if they're doing daemon monofactions they're gonna be fighting eachother as well as invading kislev and whatever, but it's not such a thing yet
dull flame
The real goal: Super Mortal Empire Bros as Khorne. Goal: Burn down Altdorf and dance on the skull of Karl Franz
plush mason
here is not it will be
you start a campaign and will see the "demons of chaos" faction
with for different lords
the simple way for them to do it is that all demons of all four gods are avalible but the different lords only have access to the demons of their god
and as you progress you unlock the ability to recruit the others
plush mason
afaik its going to be the demon arimes and non of the mortal followers
distant harness
i wouldnt be surprised if there's some cultists or mortal slaves
dull flame
That's already been debunked because we can see Skullcrushers of Khorne in the trailer
distant harness
there's not really that many daemons that you could make a whole interesting army
monogod at least
odd sparrow
the exact extent of that is sorta unknown. i really hope they don't get fucking marauders lol
dull flame
odd sparrow
i hate marauders so much and i never wanna see them
plush mason
cuz if they bring in the mortal followrs then mr. goldenboy everchosen will have to show up
distant harness
I do wonder how they'll work with the current CW faction though
odd sparrow
they'll have to rework it massively
distant harness
like if the new ones get all the cool toys why would you even play archaon
odd sparrow
probs give them access to daemon stuff if u own game 3
dull flame
Rework Chaos Warriors into Chaos Undivided
odd sparrow
no way are they just gonna leave warriors of chaos as they are
plush mason
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/c/cb/Skullcrushers_Total_Wa...
the bloodknights are not exactly mortal at this point
dull flame
Bloodknights? Wat?
odd sparrow
i mean, they are
distant harness
blood knights are vamps aren't they?
dull flame
^
plush mason
r are those doomknights i cant remmeber
dull flame
Skullcrushers of Khorne.
distant harness
Skullcrushers
dull flame
Khorne's version of Chaos Knights
distant harness
and they're definitely mortal
very corrupted mortal, but still
There are a unit of bloodletters on the same mounts, maybe you confused them?
storm jungle
i hate marauders so much and i never wanna see them
Marauders only exist so you can step on their head and to reach to the chaos warriors on the upper shelf
dull flame
Use marauders to soak up ranged damage and tie up the enemy before letting the Chaos Warriors/Chosen go in and mop up
distant harness
not true, marauders exist to slide 4m to the right in the middle of an attack animation and hit you even though you pushed
plucky moth
true
cerulean wagon
i actualy prefer marauders over chaos warriors lmao
dull flame
That's why you take Kruber's halberd and lop their head off. 🙂
cerulean wagon
only because lore wise i treat them more like a 40k chaos cult
storm jungle
i can't explain it
I got a good explanation from MandaloreGaming 1 sec
odd sparrow
they're obvs useful, they're pretty good at efficiently soaking up ranged fire with their shields and stuff, but e g h
dull flame
Also each Chaos God better have their own faction cause I wanna dunk on the birb
storm jungle
@odd sparrow https://youtu.be/WA_iXKhoujA?t=2976
He uses vermintide as an example too, its great lol
final spruce
Also did in Deathwing
odd sparrow
mandalore is a mood
plush mason
which ones are marauders again
the cheap ass tier 1 infantry
crisp heath
ah yeah
storm jungle
plucky moth
monday morning vs friday night
crisp heath
me on teams video chat vs me in class in person
plush mason
the dating app pic vs the first date 😛
crisp heath
granted, i make the same amount of noise in both, just that on video i move shit on the table and drink from a beer stein instead of rattling chains
rotund siren
can't believe I missed learning that Ratty is a thembo
forgetting weekdays, forgetting mozarella
what else?
crisp heath
Just that i think
rotund siren
I feel ya
odd sparrow
my memory is legendarily awful
crisp heath
I get angry when i have to process them afterwards
odd sparrow
no thought head empty
rotund siren
clearly
rotund siren
Only tanks boots and vampires
can't forget landschneckt
crisp heath
That too
Right now i have to draw a sergeant dragging an mg though and I'm mad bc i have to think about how jackboots bend
But this is a convo for #735951004989784104
rotund siren
of course
sharp grove
Yo remember that time when Vulkan felt bummed out so he set an Eldar child on fire so he would cheer up?
smoky breach
Uh. No.
storm jungle
The crystals needed for the weapon to fire, are taken from a mineral vein on the Mining World Cinderus XI. Created when Heretic Psykers were slaughtered and buried beneath the lava rivers on the planet, after a failed plot to kill the Planetary Governor, the crystals cause a loud crackling nosie to be emitted by the Volcano Cannon when fired. This noise, which some claim are the final screams of the the dead Psykers, has been known to drive those who fight beside the weapon insane; though the tank or Titan crews themselves have never been reported to suffer from these ill effects. As a result units of infantry escorting vehicles and Titans using the Volcano Cannon are subject to periodic purges. The Imperium sees this as an acceptable price to pay for deploying such a devastating weapon on the battlefield
rotund siren
hmm
cerulean wagon
> The crystals needed for the weapon to fire, are taken from a mineral vein on t...
i'd like to mention in any media where one is fired this has never been the case as far as i am aware
cerulean wagon
yup
barren tapir
What crap is that lol
Also, to whoever want some aos crap in TWW3... Keep that crap out of fantasy!
Luckly CA already said that no end times or aos crap is gonna get into it
cerulean wagon
noice
atomic pelican
Calm down son. Its just a model
We were talking abt daemon designs
Which one, if the trailer is to be believed, is already from AoS' hedonite release
Itd be like complaining that Nagash got this model
Instead of this grest thing
storm jungle
Calm down son. Its just a model
Its lore not a model!
would you like it if tau fired weaponized sushi at people harvested from the souls of ethereals?
no wait-
storm jungle
OOOOH
atomic pelican
And other daemons who have gotten visual updates
buoyant crypt
final spruce
I mean the bottom miniature is way easier to paint
atomic pelican
Guard models are pretty easy to paint from what I've heard
The curse is sealed
No updates for 10 years
atomic pelican
cerulean wagon
coarse mirage
Calm down son. Its just a model
smoky breach
Moldath the beardless.
mint crest
open marsh
Going to blast this while painting my crisis suits thank udilara
Make a Megas XLR theme'd sept
Jer'Sey
open marsh
I really want there to be a group of Tau who have to salvage war gear. Like, with the Farsight Enclaves (due to their more limited production ability). Or like, a sept that has alot of junkyards where old / busted tech is taken for recycling. Where there, they either salvage them for their own use, or break them down to their materials for reuse
crisp heath
https://youtu.be/-NmNWO2kAhM
That was the shit early 2000s
placid plank
Don’t forget the Pacific Rim theme!: https://youtu.be/1vU7XqToZso
verbal nest
Are there any artificially made planets in 40k? Where a faction just went and made a great big "thing"
Planets, moons, shit like that
barren tapir
Craftworlds are just that, not spherical though
cerulean wagon
The dark eldar colonised an artificial planet they found in the webway once
barren tapir
There is also lucius, which can be considered a artificial world
cloud kindle
there are those crafted worlds.
barren tapir
There are also the fortress worlds too
cloud kindle
which is considered to be from the DAOT
cerulean wagon
The nexus of shadows is the DE one i was thinking of
verbal nest
Inb4 "wooo it was humanity during their golden age wooooo"
cloud kindle
i mean thats cool too
storm jungle
cloud kindle
every glimpse we see of daot humans they were incredibly powerful
like the ark mechanicus ship sperenza
fucking firing black holes
storm jungle
Wasnt it a timetravel cannon lol
cloud kindle
kinda both wasnt it
cloud kindle
mainly cause the ships dormant AI woke up annoyed and was like fuck off eldar
verbal nest
Is that the story I like, where the AI in the ship woke up and revealed a shit tonne of hidden golden age weapons, fucked up the enemy, and then went offline again
verbal nest
That's great
storm jungle
yeah its a big "wait WHAT" moment
cloud kindle
there was much incoherent binary screeching at that moment
The flanks of the Speranza shuddered as a weapon system built into its superstructure ground upwards on heavy duty rails. A vast gun tube rose from the angled planes of the Ark Mechanicus like the great menhir of some tribal place of worship being lifted into place. Power readouts, the likes of which had rarely been seen in the Imperium since before the wars of Unity, bloomed within the weapon and a pair of circling tori described twisting arcs around the tapered end of the unveiled barrel.
Elements of the technology that had gone into their construction would have been familiar to some of the more esoteric branches of black hole research and relativistic temporal arcana, but their assembled complexity would have baffled even the Fabricator General on Mars. Pulsing streams of purple-hued anti-matter and graviton pumps combined in unknowable ways in the heart of a reactor that drew its power from the dark matter that lurked in the spaces between the stars. It was a gun designed to crack open the stately leviathans of ancient void war, a starship killer that delivered the ultimate coup de grace
Without any command authority from the bridge of the Speranza, the weapon unleashed a silent pulse that covered the distance to the Starblade at the speed of light.
storm jungle
cloud kindle
But even that wasn’t fast enough to catch a ship as nimble as one built by the bonesingers of BielTan and guided by the prescient sight of a farseer. The pulse of dark energy coalesced a hundred kilometres off the vessel’s stern and a miniature black hole exploded into life, dragging in everything within its reach with howling force. Stellar matter, light and gravity were crushed as they were drawn in and destroyed, and even the Starblade’s speed and manoeuvrability weren’t enough to save it completely as the secondary effect of the weapon’s deadly energies brushed over its solar sail. Chronoweaponry shifted its target a nanosecond into the past, by which time the subatomic reactions within every molecule had shifted microscopically and forced identical neutrons into the same quantum space.
peak hamlet
The necrons got artificial planets too iirc. One was the "world engine" and got destroyed by a bunch of space marines somehow
barren tapir
If by a bunch you mean a shit ton of SM and an entire chapter had to sacrifice itself then yes
open marsh
What about that necron world thing that could fuck with time that the Mechancius (well, the Sparenza) deleted from existence (literally)
thick shadow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK02e3U4Q9U&ab_channel=IndomitableFist
ASMR
storm jungle
that gun charge up noise is oooft
thick shadow
😌
marsh grail
Do orks play football? Seeing as how they’re based on football fans. 
coarse mirage
Are there any artificially made planets in 40k? Where a faction just went and ma...
I remember there being a “planet” made entirely out of water. An orb of water.
scenic bolt
if the nid's got to the warhammer fantasy world, could they be trained to play bloodbowl
crisp heath
genestealer bloodbowl?
limpid hedge
I remember there being a “planet” made entirely out of water. An orb of water.
I remember reading somewhere about a necron planet made out of metal with like it was hollow or something
cloud kindle
orkz love to race
hell wasnt there a space wolf book with ragnar where they disguised as orkz and got into a race and they saw some orkz fall off and get run over and they thought they were howling in pain but they were just laughing instead
or am i just really high
crisp heath
Ork vs Necron storyline that would be awesome: The Arch-Arsonist of Charadon, leader of the Ork Empire of Charadon, learns of the existence of the Necron device that detonates stars with the push of a button. Wishing to set the entirety of a warp storm on fire to show the supremacy of flame, he embarks on a Waaaugh! to detonate all the stars around the vicinity of "Gork's Grin" AKA The New big warp storm thingy. Ironically, only the Necrons are standing between an army of pyromaniac Orkoids and the fate of countless worlds bordering the Warp.
final seal
@plush mason @storm jungle @cerulean wagon
storm jungle
👀
coarse mirage
I remember reading somewhere about a necron planet made out of metal with like i...
I think the necron have a Dyson Sphere style planet, that might be what you’re thinking of.
prisma lark
I remember reading somewhere about a necron planet made out of metal with like i...
The World Engine?
celest dome
Aren't the Forge World of Lathe Hollow ?
plush mason
yes iirc
limpid hedge
The World Engine?
I don’t know. There was a Catan strolling around inside of it. It was I think “Sons of the hydra” or something like that. It was a book about the alpha legion.
I don’t know how reputable the author is though
open marsh
The World Engine wasnt in the Sons of the Hydra novel
limpid hedge
Ok
But there was a hollow metal planet in it
That’s what I was thinking of
It was made by the necrons
open marsh
been too long since Ive read that book. All I remember is the Deceiver poses as Omegon and gets the ALpha Legion to construct additional pylons
open marsh
Until the Alpha Legion catches wise, then catches you in a pokeball
barren tapir
When you out deceive the Alpha legion
Are we sure about this? Because thanks to that outwitting then we could imagine that now Alpha legion know how to make new cadian pylons... Which seems quite a great knowledge to have
celest dome
Isn't the only use of the Cadian Pylon to push back Chaos ?
If so having a faction that also freely make them is just a bonus
open marsh
Are we sure about this? Because thanks to that outwitting then we could imagine ...
Everyone died except for 1 guy who didnt help
barren tapir
Isn't the only use of the Cadian Pylon to push back Chaos ?
If so having a facti...
Blackstone can be set to push back the warp or to increase it... Necrons know how to do both
barren tapir
Everyone died except for 1 guy who didnt help
Crap...
open marsh
Legiones Astartes > Adeptus Astartes
Legiones Astartes had commissars
barren tapir
Well, that duty then fell on the chaplains anyway, it is just a change of name... Like it happened with the commissars, which were originally a position that only some regiments had
storm jungle
I like how one of the pauldrons has the thunder warriors logo
i guess it was just poor branding on the writer's part
barren tapir
I think that is the symbol for the veterans
Yup
The raptor imperialis
But it is also true that it was used by the thunder warriors
barren tapir
It was the symbol of the emperor, not really just that of the thunder warriors
open marsh
Originally, this honour badge was only used by the proto-Astartes known as the Thunder Warriors, but would later be adopted by the genetically-enhanced regiments of the Excertus Imperialis and the early Terran-born Legiones Astartes as well.
storm jungle
It was the symbol of the emperor, not really just that of the thunder warriors
Yeah also iirc the emperor's personal symbols always use thunderbolts
crisp heath
Is it just me or does the Great Crusade space marines prior to Horus Heresy or even before the Primarchs coming inspire a sense of longing?
crisp heath
Indeed, hell I’d like to hear more marine stories prior to them meeting their primarchs
final seal
THUNDER warriors
crisp heath
Or more about the reunification wars, like with sol systems, or Thunder Warriors
storm jungle
Yeah theres actually a lot of those
the real issue is you need to dig through sections of pre-heresy to books to find half of em
crisp heath
oof
storm jungle
Yep its ALWAYS flashbacks of sorts
i learned this the hard way from spending almost 2 years on r/40klore
final seal
ngl their helmets look goofy
final seal
thunderwariors
final seal
final seal
i think big E state of mind was in that phase
final seal
how come this is cooler
storm jungle
John Blanche my dude, the guy always pulls it off
its pretty eastern-asian/roman'ish
final seal
ah he's the guy who had most people go for his "pallete" style
storm jungle
Yeee exactly
final seal
groovy
storm jungle
Lethal™️
final seal
crisp heath
They do have that Byzantine Catapract vibe to them
storm jungle
Oh absolutely
the pre-heresy stuff pretty much fetishized the "Catapract" name for using it on a lot of stuff
crisp heath
Cuman? Why yes I do love my meals with a pinch of cuman! Tho it’d be more like several cuts n slashes but all the same at the end of the day.
Cumans and their arms do come from a similar geocultural area as the Byzantines by a bit so their gear does have some overlap
That one in the middle does look much more cuman in terms of helmet design tho
storm jungle
That one in the middle does look much more cuman in terms of helmet design tho
Damn thats a nice connection actually
i never knew the origin of it
summer niche
looks fantasy roman to me
plush mason
the byzantines are roman so
plush mason
i mean
the romans for most of their history used gualic style helmets so
the "classic roman soldier" was only a thing for a few hounderd years
plucky moth
guess those soldiers are just really happy to see us
plush mason
armor like that is more for standing out
which back then was highly important for commanders
barren tapir
the romans for most of their history used gualic style helmets so
Not really, they used mostly latin helmets
final seal
"waterloo helmet"
plush mason
the monifitoro was gualic iirc
plush mason
MY EYES
barren tapir
the monifitoro was gualic iirc
Celtic
summer niche
i'm surprised that embedded tbh
final seal
barren tapir
Romans used greek helmets at the start
plush mason
correct
barren tapir
same thing lol
Lol nope, there is quite a difference
plush mason
ummmm the guals where celts afaik
while they where different from bretannic celts they where still celts
barren tapir
ummmm the guals where celts afaik
Yes they were, but celts was a broad category
plush mason
yes
barren tapir
I mean, it is like with romans and latins, there were different latin people, and one of them were the romans
plush mason
and iirc the romans got their helms from the celts living at the foot of the alps
barren tapir
It depend in the period, mostly were from greek inspiration...
plush mason
which i think the romans consetered them a gualic tribe
barren tapir
The gauls influence come after julius caesar conquered them
plush mason
iirc the moniiftoro was a late republic helm
ofc roman history with the guals dates back far early than caesar
as ofc it was a gualic tribe of celts that almost wiped out the roman people before they had really started to rise
barren tapir
True, but the main roman gaul helmet that is after he conquered them
plush mason
yes
ofc thats also around the time the lorica segmentata comes into being
anyway to get back to the byzanties
their armor looks to have had a big impact on the russians
ofc the kelvin rus spent most of their time fighting the byzantines
crisp heath
a guy i know has a similar byzantine helmet
coarse mirage
Other nations have had a tuft on their helmets.
crisp heath
not in regards to the tuft, but to the shape of the helmet and the faceplate that resembles an actual human face. those are quite unique.
celest dome
Didn't Macedonia also have them [Alexander the Great]
storm jungle
So basically Big E was "inspired" and made the thunder warriors with a Totally Original Armor Design Do Not Steal pattern
interesting
open marsh
Geez its almost as if Warhammer 40k is full of historical references
crisp heath
everything in history is just rehashing/an evolution of shit that came before
open marsh
"nihil novi sub sole"
celest dome
Quite nice to learn semi useful thing here, I most certainly won't use that expression but it's nice to know of it
plush mason
So basically Big E was "inspired" and made the thunder warriors with a Totally O...
their armor draws from armor from many differant points in human history so yeah
and ofc once we humans find a design that works we will replecate the fuck outa it
limpid hedge
Didn't Macedonia also have them [Alexander the Great]
Yeah some of there cavalry had helmets like that
plush mason
so i think i have found the uglyist helmet in 40k
open marsh
?
open marsh
...I see no problems with this
Its Ultramarine Honour Guard. They have pretty much always had those helmets since they found Guilliman
plush mason
its ugly tho
it would be so much better if it wasnt so flat
when i see it my first thought is
owl
this is much better
plush mason
yeah those are badass
torn marlin
^^
plush mason
nightlord?
torn marlin
yeah
plush mason
yeah thems is some badass mofos
torn marlin
don't know about the first pic though, but looks like that theme kindof
open marsh
Eh. I had helmets that too....idk...stylized?
I guess the best way to put it is im not a fan of the Chaos legion asthetic
plush mason
for me the best space marine helmet is ofc the fenrus patter helmet 🙂
plush mason
ugh i cant find any images of the fenris pattern ones
open marsh
Do you mean the wolf head?
plush mason
yes
torn marlin
Nice :)
plush mason
i want
torn marlin
ohh, nice, havent seen that one b4
plush mason
idk if its an offical model
i know there is atleast one knight world under the space wolves command
but idk if their influence is that heavy on them
here is a jotunn
oh they are offical
the iron wolves
open marsh
i know there is atleast one knight world under the space wolves command
Which world
plush mason
i cant remember their name
all i know is it lies in the area of space the space wolves control
open marsh
As for the wolf headed knight, its not official.
plush mason
and as they are pledged to the imperium they are under the space wolves command
so after market
im not surized
as i said idk how much influence the space wolves have on the knight world's culture
rigid cloak
Question, will bolt weapons be OP in dark tides scale? Or perhaps more not useful (low ammo count vs large numbers of enemies)
atomic pelican
Nah, the bolter weapons we are getting are the human pattern ones
So they're not like the turbo op space marine ones
odd sparrow
we'll have to see how they'll want to implement bolters. The way i see them working is like, extremely high damage, small powerful AoE explosion, reasonably accurate and not super clunky, but balanced out by very low ammo count
so not a weapon you'd want to be melting hordes of zombies with, you'd just run dry too fast
plucky moth
I think they'll be like some sort of projectile weapon
plucky moth
TRU
odd sparrow
awful
cloud kindle
might see bolter turrets or fixed guns maybe
odd sparrow
no pygmies
atomic pelican
why not just people at that point
what is with your obsession with diminutive black people
can you stop being a freak
odd sparrow
perhaps,,
atomic pelican
We beseech you to stop mentioning pygmies
They dont exist anymore
Theyre also just awful.
Quite literally the worst thing to come out of WHF
Nah
Win fight isnt really good lore
But I dont care abt their lore, really. They were just a racial caricature that deserve to be forgotten
also quite literally every faction with a waterfront has defeated norscans at some point
Defense of pygmies is punishable by death
die
Stop.
Like actually stop.
You're embarassing me by being associated with prompting you to ramble about pygmies
open marsh
atomic pelican
Good post
plucky moth
sigh
atomic pelican
Did I hallucinate that entire convo or did he just get thanos'd
gone without a trace good lord
plucky moth
I yeeted him
final seal
what happ
atomic pelican
o7
plucky moth
I'd warned him before about that shit
atomic pelican
I was waiting for the day John would post too much cringe
Rip John. Obsessor of pygmies. Poster of nsfw in general
final seal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE4YI3jX5to
is that really tim bentinck
atomic pelican
Nahh thats Gianni. That channel does alot of voices
final seal
sounds authentic
open marsh
ikr?
plucky moth
annoying thing is he actually did stop for like
a while
mind you I remember some old comments I deleted ages ago which probably should've earned a ban on the spot but...whatever it's done now
final seal
atomic pelican
The only times I saw him were... Encounters. Like that one time he posted fimir titty 4 times in a 20 minute span
Those were the times
plucky moth
....yea
odd sparrow
oh fun
i did not know they posted stuff before so that sorta came out of nowhere for me
plucky moth
the weird racial thing had happened like
3 times now
and then there was also a few instances of NSFW
atomic pelican
Its like encountering the wonderbread guy in the wild
plucky moth
all in all I was extremely lenient
which is probably something I shouldn't be when it comes to that
plucky moth
indeed
crisp heath
I can see bolters being balanced out by having very violent recoil, thus you can’t continously fire it and it has to be either single tapped or burst fired
cloud kindle
the fuck did i miss
crisp heath
Someone got banned I think?
Somethin about pygmies so I take it whoever got banned was being racist and/or making racially charged statements
Tbh I can see guns being balanced out kind of like how L4D2 did it
You don’t have to neuter the guns, just make the hordes overwhelming and tough
After all these are nurgle creatures and nurgle aligned cultists we’re talking about
odd sparrow
weirdo fetishist dude
tbh I'm sooner expecting them to take the vermintide approach. Guns balanced by limited ammunition
i think i would def prefer that
make the guns extremely impactful but like, you can't just go through the whole map gunning every single lil poxwalker you see. melee when you don't need to use ranged
open marsh
Will be weird to have a lasgun with only like 30 shots
atomic pelican
I would like to see more ammo than VT. Hopefully gunplay is more fun to fit the more balanced focus
open marsh
melee will probably be more assured and serious damage
but you put yourself at greater risk of damage
leading to a primary gameplay loop of using your guns to thin the horde before mopping up with melee once they get too close
crisp heath
^
odd sparrow
well yeah obviously way more than 30 shots
kerillian is already out here with a hundred
but like. not so much ammo that you can spam ranged through an entire map with impunity
odd sparrow
not like this
atomic pelican
Ah the RE2 remake experience
open marsh
but like. not so much ammo that you can spam ranged through an entire map with i...
I think it will be less limited by your ammo and more by the number you will be facing and they spread out. meaning that they will close the distance, forcing you to swap to melee, unless your team is extremely coordinated
distant harness
It'll be both I'd guess, most pve games tend to limit ammo and also force you to use other tools sometimes
Super limited ammo in a 40k game would be weird to me, should be able to primarily just rely on ranged in at least some builds
final seal
does mirror reflact las shots?
open marsh
Yes, actually
There is a guard regiment who specifically wears mirrored armour to reflect las shots
final seal
even lascannon??!!
final seal
tru
storm jungle
this is much better
Im late but thats a pretty good mask, custodians use almost the same pattern
nightlords in comparison arent even badass, its stupid bat-wings lol
final seal
spartan-esque
open marsh
They nekkid
final seal
yeeeee
final seal
and hopefully their rough riders ride emus
storm jungle
👆
open marsh
Birbbois
final seal
dang... i see only a few regiments survived through the editions
distant harness
think of all the great new memes though
final seal
straying away from comic-bookish designs
distant harness
about how different types of rock break faster or slower than random soldiers
I'm pretty excited tbh
open marsh
Cadians or Primaris. Those are your options
thick shadow
barren tapir
Also have Japanese Samurai regiment
There is a more recent japan version of IG
Katanas IIIIINNNNNN SPAAAACCEEEEEEEEE
open marsh
also we arent cadians
Cadians with a different name
Because there is no actual difference between them and Cadians. Only real difference is the name
final spruce
Mmmh the delicious taste of salt
cerulean wagon
ah yes
just the name
surprised you dont hate the fact basicaly all sm use the same armour
and tanks
god you must hate the fact things that work are made the same
open marsh
god you must hate the fact things that work are made the same
Nope. Just that when there is a chance to have a unique regiment, everyone just makes cadians.
Its boring
its uninspired
cerulean wagon
odd sparrow
stoP
open marsh
Its like seeing someone just collect unpainted minis
cerulean wagon
they dont need to look different to be different
there are still different worlds, upbringings and techniques
hell, might not even be their gear
they are under inquis employ so give them the standard shit
open marsh
A special aspect of the Imperial Guard is supposed to be their varied appearance. Often with regiments having locally sourced arms and armour
cerulean wagon
na its got nothing to do with appearance
its gear
and gear isnt just armour
gear and doctrine is more than just a look, its a difference of outlook and application
odd sparrow
most of the alternative IG things just look weird and haggard tbh
cerulean wagon
yup
most got swapped to cadian gear cause its standard
doest affect how they function
just how well protected they are
open marsh
odd sparrow
it's inevitable that when a game company or whatever wants to present IG stuff they're gonna go for the like, most recognisable iconic vibe
open marsh
odd sparrow
at least at the start
open marsh
odd sparrow
i do have strong feelings on the armageddon ork hunter lady tbh
cerulean wagon
i do have strong feelings on the armageddon ork hunter lady tbh
ye the arts are neat
open marsh
i do have strong feelings on the armageddon ork hunter lady tbh
She actually helps prove a point that even regiments from the same planet can vary wildly in appearance.
cerulean wagon
and most of these regiments are kitbashes
open marsh
Since the Ork Hunters and the Steel Legion are both from Armageddeon
cerulean wagon
shows u how to do em in 8e book
odd sparrow
it's a silly debate. Like, whether u want more non-cadian-looking guardsmen represented in media is just a personal taste thing
and obvs canon wise it's all fluid, cus that's how 40k be
cerulean wagon
i just dislike the fact he's throwing any worlld building for DT down the drain cause they look similair
open marsh
it's a silly debate. Like, whether u want more non-cadian-looking guardsmen repr...
Its a similar thing to anytime the space marines showing up, its Ultramarines. Even when Ultramarines have 0 business being there
cerulean wagon
except its not the same cause cadian gear doesnt mean its cadians
odd sparrow
They've def done an exceptional job with the character designs imo. Like, they're obvs very recognizable as their IG roster counterparts on tabletop, even to someone who hasn't been in the hobby or played DoW in years
two guardsmen, a missionary and an ogryn. Looking at that u can tell what the game is going for, they're old and iconic designs
cerulean wagon
mhmm
odd sparrow
it would be cool to see other IG stuff represented, i'm a slut for vostroyans and praetorians in particular, but
cerulean wagon
id expect cosmetics tbh
odd sparrow
also I appreciate all the lil inquisitorial trinkets and other details
cerulean wagon
its just the stance nuclear takes is like calling blood angels ultramarines
odd sparrow
regimental cosmetics would 100% be a goldmine
open marsh
it would be cool to see other IG stuff represented, i'm a slut for vostroyans an...
Hell just throw in some other regimental appearance customizations and Im gold
cerulean wagon
they both wear SM power armour so its the same faction
odd sparrow
no way FS wouldn't make a massive profit, even if they did need to hire new guys to do the modelling
open marsh
its just the stance nuclear takes is like calling blood angels ultramarines
Hey look. Things Ive never said. Wow.
cerulean wagon
hense i said like saying it
cerulean wagon
lmao
so you can understand the comparison nuclear
you are saying they are cadians because its the same armour
all sm wear the same armour pattern so its all ultramarines right?
open marsh
As for the appearance of Space Marines. I have my own issues with that. Like forcing the primaris into every chapter, even when their appearance completely clashes with it.
Such as the Consecrators.
Before Primaris: the Consecrators used exclusively Great Crusade/Horus Heresy relics. With the newest pattern of armour they used being MkVI
odd sparrow
yea that's def an issue on tabletop. Like, on the one hand i don't mind it cus a lot of the old chapter specific units and kits were getting SUPER old and haggard, but also cmon
primaris look identical throughout every chapter
at least have there be an upgrade sprue or whatever
bunch of wolf pelts and runic jewellery for primaris wolves, etc
open marsh
at least have there be an upgrade sprue or whatever
There are some. but they are relatively minor
cerulean wagon
theres also the chapter specific starter kits they did
odd sparrow
but yeah idk. When you see the primaris space wolves on the mag uruk thraka box they did and they look so boring
idk it's odd
it's regrettable
final spruce
Combat patrol boxes come with enough conversion sprues for 2 boxes yes
cerulean wagon
everything to do with that update was garbage ye
gaz is dead and yarrick had nothing to do with it
open marsh
but yeah idk. When you see the primaris space wolves on the mag uruk thraka box ...
"Oh BuT tHaTs JuSt ThE sTaNdArD aNd CoMmOn pAtTeRn. ItS fInE."
cerulean wagon
yup
final spruce
The issue with IG minis is that they are 25 y old and since they arent great sellers, there is no isensitive from GW to develop sprues bits
open marsh
gaz is dead and yarrick had nothing to do with it
Gaz aint dead
peak hamlet
I think so too
odd sparrow
It's sorta the self fulfilling prophecy of neglected GW factions
cerulean wagon
gathering storm they did a head to head with gaz and the space wolf primaris
gaz lost
odd sparrow
it isn't updated for a while, becomes less popular, lack of sales means GW can't justify updating it, etc