40k-lore-chat

[atomic pelican]

Omg

I was thinking abt the 93 game

I completely forgot

Abt the newer one

[cerulean wagon]

dlc for inquis actualy fixed a lot

[atomic pelican]

😩

[cerulean wagon]

massive 2.0 overhaul

[vagrant osprey]

Oh, that's good.

[open marsh]

I still found a way to cheese STCs from the first mission of Prophecy. near a autosave point. Allowing me to farm every STC if I am patient enough

[cerulean wagon]

fair

[final seal]

am currently playing inquisitor, it's coo

[vagrant osprey]

I played through the plotline, and it was pretty awful. The first boss was a Nurgle dreadnaut. It drops a medical injector. You use it.

This is somehow normal.

[open marsh]

Gameplay / story segregation

[final seal]

devs added new season, new season characters adds some stuff

[atomic pelican]

Dont take used heroin needles from nurglenaughts I'd say

[open marsh]

I think its a random loot drop anyway

[vagrant osprey]

Yes, that's fair. It may drop a Purity seal instead.

I was REALLY hoping that a game named Inquisitor would have a better story.

[final seal]

yuh you can reroll secondary enchants to increase loot drops and quality

i think they added void crusades as well which allows you to pick a number of lootbox for specific loot

[vagrant osprey]

The whole thing with pariahs being heretical things that must be destroyed was kinda dumb.

[open marsh]

Well...they are seen as such by many in the Imperium

Its why the Sisters of Silence were disbanded after the Emperor got throned and they lost their protector

[vagrant osprey]

And having a moral choice thing where the moral choices were extremely stupid.

"Your father was a rogue trader who CARRIED CONTRABAND!"

Yes, that would be what they do.

[open marsh]

Well legally they arent supposed to

[vagrant osprey]

They are legally empowered to do that.

It just has to stay on their ship in Imperium space.

Same with the freebooters and other xenos they recruit.

[open marsh]

When outside Imperial space, sure

When inside Imperial territory, they are beholden to the same laws as everyone else

Its lead to many tense situations between rogue traders and the inquisition

[vagrant osprey]

Err... No. The only ones who have the authority over Rogue Traders are members of the Imperial House.

The tension between the Inquisition and Rogue Traders is that they disagree on if the Inquisition is part of the Imperial House.

[open marsh]

Eerr. No. The Inquisition has authority over them like the Inquisition has authority over everyone

[vagrant osprey]

But even then the Inquisition would be enforcing Imperial fiat, not Imperial Law

[distant harness]

Rogue traders have crazy variable powers, but there's no reason to think the inquisition doesn't have authority over them to some degree still

There's only one group that the Inquisition 100% doesn't have any control over

[vagrant osprey]

Oh, no. It's really clear on that. The treaties are actually described - the Rogue Traders are, by order of the Emperor, only beholden to the Emperor and his house

[open marsh]

Rogue Traders have more leeway than most. Outside of Imperial Space, their authority c an actually rival that of an Inquisitor's.

But within Imperial Space, they are bound by the same laws

Which includes prohibited items

Its something that has gotten some Rogue Traders in trouble, when they forget that.

[distant harness]

They're often bound to even more laws, depending on the warrant

also from the rogue trader core book
"The most common method of ensuring a Rogue Trader complies with the conditions of his Warrant is to ensure there are very powerful representatives of the Imperium on hand to remind him of their obligations. This might be an Administratum prefect, but it might also be an agent of a more obscure division, perhaps even of the Inquisition."

[open marsh]

They made parts of DoW III canon. Like Gabriel's ninja termie flipouts

[distant harness]

They're basically just really important nobles when in the imperium, depending on the particular trader

[open marsh]

In game he can flip about, and on the TT he has a the "leap into the fray" special rule

[toxic marlin]

They also made Shaso Kais fully canon.. including his ridiculous capabilities.

[distant harness]

Core book also says that they're given the authority of the high lords when doing rogue trader shit, and high lords are beholden to inq and custodes if they start doing shit wrong, even if they're basically impossible to actually prosecute

[open marsh]

If a High Lord was caught smuggling prohibited xenostech. An Inquisitor would still label him a heretic and pput a bolt round through his skull

[toxic marlin]

Yes.. except for the High Lord of the Officio Assassinorum.

[open marsh]

I mean, they could try but GFL

[distant harness]

Basically how it goes with high lords lol, there's very few groups who could actually deal with smaller scale issues

Custodes are one but they don't even bother showing up to the meetings most of the time

[toxic marlin]

Except for the events leading up to the Indomitus..

as that basically required that the Captain General show up as a High Lord for once.

[open marsh]

He was probably grump that he had to to do actual work

[plush mason]

do the tyranids have a different name for themselvs?

[final seal]

ueeeekkkkkh

[plucky moth]

not a clue

[atomic pelican]

GSC usually call them the Star Gods

But for themselves no

Star gods and star children

[final seal]

remind me of that one GSC painter i like

make GSC effectively communists

but do continue the subject

[plush mason]

is that GSC on the banner who i think it is?

[atomic pelican]

Yee GSC aesthetics are Cool

Even in fluff theyre great

The head of a AdMech planetary ruler the Bladed Cog took down

[final seal]

comrade lenin

yess

[plush mason]

yes

[final seal]

hmmm GSC mechanicus?

[crisp heath]

GSC but the S stands for Stalin

[final seal]

sounds wonderfull

[crisp heath]

seize the means of gene reproduction

[final seal]

stalin' ye genes

[crisp heath]

that was such a shit joke i snorted in real life 😂

[atomic pelican]

Legit the bladed cog

They have skitarii under their rank

[final seal]

i have to know more

[atomic pelican]

Their patriarch enthralled a bunch of skitarii on the forgeworld they originated on

Including a Skitarii prime who served as their nexos

[final seal]

🧐

[marsh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/know-more-desire-to-know-more-intesifies-gif-9636468

[vagrant osprey]

The machine god says: You can't be infected by Genestealers if you have no genes to steal!

[odd sparrow]

or a mouth to kiss uwu

[cloud kindle]

Good thing im so ugly not even a genestealer would kiss me

[odd sparrow]

bet

[vagrant osprey]

Reminder: Eldar lay eggs and produce milk.

It's an open question how much Eldar custard sells for on the open market.

[cloud kindle]

I am concerned by the first part of that statement

[vagrant osprey]

Eldar use "Mammal" as an insult. Ergo they cannot be mammals.
They have been demonstrated to meet all other criteria of being mammals, except for live birth.

Therefore, they must lay eggs.

[odd sparrow]

n

that's not how that works also i curse u for this imagery

[atomic pelican]

Im p sure eldar eggs is oldhammer

[plucky moth]

mammals can lay eggs

[odd sparrow]

ignoring the whole they're aliens they do what they want thing, hey maybe they're like livebearing fish

[plucky moth]

monotremes are a thing

[odd sparrow]

and yea platypus bois exist

[atomic pelican]

Platypus eldar

[rotund siren]

Platypus

[odd sparrow]

plus a couple others

[rotund siren]

yee

[plucky moth]

platypus and echidnas are the only ones I know of

[atomic pelican]

Knuckles

[rotund siren]

maybe Eldar do not produce milk

and have feathers instead of hair

and feed their child by chewing up the food

[atomic pelican]

Kroot are a derivative of eldar confirmed

[plucky moth]

^

[rotund siren]

gasp

[odd sparrow]

counterpoint

kroot found WHFB's world, ate elves, became eldar

[atomic pelican]

Correct

[rotund siren]

GASP

[cloud kindle]

Isnt eldar reproduction sp hecked that they need multiple inseminations to produce a viable child?

[atomic pelican]

I think thats p much it ye

Its.. maintenance required

[cloud kindle]

Sounds like too much effort

[vagrant osprey]

Eldar need multiple inseminations, yes.

[crisp heath]

at least accidents don't happen

[odd sparrow]

that is true

idk how multiple inseminations works on a biological level buuut they're aliens so

the first one gets a lil bit into the egg and then the next five are to push it further in

[crisp heath]

cats can have young via multiple inseminations too

[odd sparrow]

huh how does that work

i guess with cats it's cus they have litters? idk

[crisp heath]

yeah

they can have kittens with multiple fathers

[rotund siren]

so I guess eldar can have multiple fathers for one child, theoretically?

that would probably be a good thing, if I'm thinking correctly

since, ya know, having more varied DNA would allow for the child to be less likely to have bad traits and whatnot

I think?

I haven't studied genetics in a while

[final spruce]

For humans yes

[rotund siren]

so, maybe that's another of the reasons for multiple inseminations, besides having low fertility

[crisp heath]

Is this an Eldar?

[cloud kindle]

https://youtu.be/wPh-MK_5k_k

Yes

[marsh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-troy-mcclure-fish-selma-gif-11271802

Easy there Troy mclure

[median sundial]

Are the Eldar fucking space platypi?

[marsh grail]

Yes

And doofenshmirtz is a tech priest.

[vagrant osprey]

I'm pretty sure when humans encountered them for the first time they thought they were humans playing a prank with biomods :V

[final seal]

is that name canon

just googled that

[plush mason]

so are mortal weapons less effective aginst demons in warhammer?

[open marsh]

usually, yeah

often failing to harm them at all

[plush mason]

so when you have demons in the TT how does that factor in if at all?

[open marsh]

Doesnt really. Its more of a lore thing that rules

[plush mason]

k

[open marsh]

and it flip flops all the time

Sometimes a daemon can be banished back to the warp with a regular weapon. Other times the weapon will cut them only for them to heal instantly. Other times the weapon will simply have no effect

The lore is extremely inconsistent and its mostly for a "rule of drama", whatever fits the current plot better

[crisp heath]

There are daemonic weapons that are inherently harmful to daemons specifically

[marsh grail]

It’s dependent on how much you believe in sigmar/the emperor.

You believe hard enough you kill the demon

If you don’t no effect.

[open marsh]

Eh. even then. You can have chapters who dont believe in the Emperor's divinity cutting down daemons

[crisp heath]

It's about how much you believe the daemon is a piece of shit 😊

[rotund siren]

true

isn't there a heretic who hates daemons so much they get weakened by him?

[open marsh]

in Fantasy, there was

He was Malal's champion

[rotund siren]

so, similar could be said for 40k, who knows

[open marsh]

Again. Its all over the place and used for rule of drama

which ever fits the plot better

[rotund siren]

guess so

[final seal]

kill daemons with daemon weapons

absolutely safe

[open marsh]

The Relictors approve

[final seal]

don't have to worry about having faith and all that

just use the right tools

[crisp heath]

killing daemons with daemon weapons is radical

lololol

[open marsh]

Why'd I get a salt react?

[final seal]

it's my poor man's purity seal

[open marsh]

It's not salty. That's how the Relictors operate

Ah

[final seal]

this is the way

[open marsh]

[barren tapir]

I heard that fabious bile have that effect in WH40K...

It is also noted that flame based weapons and blades are more efficent against demons that other weapons

[rugged phoenix]

Primal intent to harm hurts demons, that's why fire and bashing them with melee are effective in lore. And why orks can lower gellar shields I'm convinced.

They are primal intent to harm weaponized.

[final spruce]

Orks / Gellar fields

[rotund siren]

I mean

Orks are the most primal things

even their "tech" is primal bullshit and psychic magic

[placid plank]

Quick question guys: what parts of DOW 3 do you guys consider canon? Personally one thing I think of as most definitely canon is the fact that Knights can be dropped from orbit, because that’s cool as hell.

[coarse mirage]

None

[storm jungle]

Honestly everything in it is pretty much kinda lore accurate?

The plot itself meanwhile is trash

But FYI the only thing you should know is that:

• Terminators dont do backflips

[placid plank]

C.S. Goto intensifies

[open marsh]

Gabriel got rules so be can do that on the tabletop

its canon

[storm jungle]

No.

[open marsh]

Gabriel is wearing the most mobile version of termie. He has much of his body cybernetically augmented, including both of his legs, and he is wielding a daemonhammer containing a shard of an Eldar god

He can jump

[storm jungle]

I dont care.

The answer is still no.

lmao

🚫

[open marsh]

Where do people get this idea that you cant move beyond a slow plod in termie?

[storm jungle]

I never said they were slow

or they couldnt jump

backflips are just stupid

[open marsh]

Well the guy who did that was a librarian who was empowering himself with the warp

Gravity manipulation is a psyker ability

[storm jungle]

Jesus the excuse pit for Gabby's backflip really is bottomless huh

[open marsh]

The dev came out and explained his reasoning

I personally dont see what the big problem is. We have see warp fuckery turn people in masses of chaos spawn. crying in agony from places were mouths should not be as entire new torsos explode from where their mouth used to be

and yet a guy in terminator armour jumped blows people's minds?

[barren tapir]

Backflipping in combat is dumb, if the dev tought that a veteran fighter would do that it is the dev that is wrong, and it doesn't matter how much the dev try to explain it

[open marsh]

its 40k. looking for reason over rule of cool is gonna give you a bad time

[barren tapir]

The thing is that it is not even cool, just dumb

[open marsh]

otherwise we wouldnt even have melee

We would all be tau

[final spruce]

I just feel like they could have just done him teleporting above his enemies

Since terminator armours have teleporters

[open marsh]

From the Index Astartes: Blood Ravens:

"Leap into the Fray"

[final spruce]

And ? You've said multiple times that tabletop doesn't represent the lore

[open marsh]

Its in the lore too

You see him do it in game

As much as people hate it (for reasons I fail to understand), its a thing from both sides

[final spruce]

Well they just explained it to you

[open marsh]

and I rebuked it.

[final spruce]

They don't like it because a terminator armour is supposed to be, as in the name tactical dreadnought, and you don't see dreadnoughts somersaulting into battle

[open marsh]

You do when your legs are augmented, you have the lightest and most mobile version of the armour, and you are wielding a hammer containing a shard of a god

[final spruce]

So by your logic, iron hands marines should be able to do that aswell ?

[open marsh]

It requires such a perfect storm of things for this to happen that gabriel is the only one in the game with that rule

[open marsh]

Do they have hammers with the shards of a god in them?

[final spruce]

They don't

[open marsh]

Then no

They cant

[barren tapir]

It is not a problem that he jump into the fray, it is that the backflip, it could have been a jump pack assisted normal jump and it would have been fine...
Also i don't get what his hammer, made with a fragment from the sword of an avatar of khaine, have to do with his dumb backflip...

[open marsh]

Well he doesnt do a backflip, he does a sommersault

As for the hammer: minor warp fuckery

[barren tapir]

It may even be the lightest pattern of terminator armour, it is still more heavy than a normal SM armour, and i don't see SM going around doing crazy backflips and complex jumps that would be fine done by eldar... They instead capitalize on the weight and mass of their armour

[open marsh]

I dont see SM wielding hammers with shards of eldar gods in them :l

[barren tapir]

Do you know that the warp fuckery doesn't apply to that hammer right? It is just very good against demons

[barren tapir]

Shard of the sword of a shard of a god

[open marsh]

Its not a normal daemonhammer. it isnt just bless and anti-chaos. It has a shard of Khaine in it

[barren tapir]

A shard of the sword of an avatar of khaine

[open marsh]

and what is the sword made of? The same thing that makes khaine himself. hence why when he manifests as his avatar, he always has his sword

[barren tapir]

If that is true then why the second time the eldars summon that avatar it came without sword?

[open marsh]

shrug

Im just telling you the writers reasoning for why Gabriel can jump in termie. And I still wonder why suddenly reasonability and realism is such a stickler here. Went its 40k. Rule of Cool wins over realism

[barren tapir]

It is just dumb as it is now, with some minor adjustments it would be fine, without having to use lame excuses like light terminator armour, or cybernetics legs or the worst of all... Warp fuckery...

[open marsh]

I see no issue with it. If it became a common occurance, yeah it might bug me too. But considering it takes alot to make it happen, including warp fuckery. I have no issue with it

Its so rare as to be pretty much unique

[barren tapir]

Also, returning on the weapon, if it is part of khaine essence, so warp based, how the crap have they managed to take a shard of it since it would have returned to the warp?
Not that there is much to discuss on this maybe, it was written by C.S. Goto that book, so that may explain why it was so disconnected by the lore

[open marsh]

Hell if i know. but it got "re-canonized" in the Index Astartes: Blood Ravens

[atomic pelican]

Remember, spinning is a good trick

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-spin-black-gif-14547778

[open marsh]

Ugh! How can he jump! He is an old man! Its not realistic! Old people cant jump like that! salt salt salt

[atomic pelican]

r uok

[final seal]

gabriel do what gabriel wants

[coarse mirage]

Gabriel doesn’t simply jump

He vaults

He does a fucking flip

It’s dumb.

Might as well make baneblades bounce

At some point you need to stop and adhere to some level of logic and reason or you could just as well throw it all out

[open marsh]

🙄

Yall act like he is just some rando in termie

[barren tapir]

Prepare yourself medic, this is round two

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-popcorn-nodding-eating-snacks-gif-16646651

[open marsh]

I already know your view. You dislike the more "unrealistic" aspects of 40k and the Imperium.

Like....you hate massive church robots

:l

[barren tapir]

It wasn't for me, it was because it looked like Sauce wanted to explain his POV

[barren tapir]

Ehy, i hate massive churches, not massive robots

[open marsh]

I was the same way. I thought it was dumb Until the dev explained his reasoning

And how Gabriel can do it due to the near perfect storm of abilities and equipment he has

[open marsh]

Its 40k. Imperator Titans are both.

[barren tapir]

Would you like to have a massive robot with church or a massive robot without church and maybe a smaller one? Because the materials of the church must come from somewhere, and they aren't infinite

[open marsh]

If I wanted massive robots without massive churches on their backs. I would go enjoy gundam, or battle tech, or (in universe) the Tau.

[barren tapir]

:C

[open marsh]

I like 40k, and the adeptus titanicus, because it has giant robots with churches on their backs

You dont really get that anywhere else

And yeah. resources to make them are hard to come by, even when you have a galaxy full of worlds that are literally being mined down to their last minerals until nothing remains of them. Hence why the Titanicus makes such as effort to preserve the ones they have and recover lost ones as their top priorities

[final seal]

[placid plank]

What the hell is going on...

Also, Medic, the Termie backflips are dumb, so shut up.

[crisp heath]

Fuck yeah i want the robot with a church!

[placid plank]

The church comes to you.

[barren tapir]

Wow, why so aggressive though?

[median sundial]

I....I think it's cool.

[crisp heath]

A robot without a church is like an outfit withoug jewelry. Sure it's viable but i don't care about it unless i have so much on my neck i can be mistaken for a catholic reliquary.

[final seal]

how else can you force heretics to attend mass

[placid plank]

Because you’ve tried to go with the calm, reasonable approach, and you’re getting nowhere, I’ve seen many a discussion that’s gone exactly like the one you’ve had with medic, and they always end the same way.

[crisp heath]

Fear is a powerful force in battle

[plucky moth]

having debates or disagreements is fine

but play nice or I'll have your kneecaps

[placid plank]

Ok.

[atomic pelican]

your toes

hand em over

[placid plank]

No.

[barren tapir]

AH! Wait a bit more and one of mine may be already on its way...

[crisp heath]

@atomic pelican why do you have to be... like that

[final seal]

you guys better not overextend or your legs will overextend

[plucky moth]

the taus

hand 'em over

[atomic pelican]

😏

[placid plank]

I don’t have any.

Tau, that is.

[atomic pelican]

Me @ my local store manager

[barren tapir]

Probably because tau don't have toes, so it is something exotic that they want

[placid plank]

Speaking of which....

[crisp heath]

Why do you want my taxidermy decorations, lord inquisitor

[barren tapir]

Ah, i see... The old wrong meme of "tau are commie"... I see... I like old history too

[plucky moth]

because I have no sense for fashion or design and must rely on others

[barren tapir]

Relatable

[crisp heath]

But we could get you new ones instead. And then pose them how you want

[plucky moth]

tru

[crisp heath]

You want them in moribund terror? In cute maid outfits? In melee with grots?

[plucky moth]

ok tbh I'm caught between the final two

both

both is good

melee maids

[crisp heath]

In maid outfits, in melee with grots. That's gonna be a lovely diorama

[plucky moth]

indeed

[cerulean wagon]

wait so

you know what

im not even

[plucky moth]

embrace it

[marsh grail]

Alright I need to see it for myself can I get a link to the back flipping terminator?

[final spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8f4_fU1yjQ

[marsh grail]

Eh I’d say they were going for a Thor like hammer slam so I’d say rule of cool applies.

[odd sparrow]

the frontflip was the excessive bit

[plucky moth]

yeah I'll agree the flip is silly lol

I like the idea of a massive hulking slam tho

[marsh grail]

Yeah I feel like throwing the hammer up in the air and having it spin a few times and then catching it and slamming down while jumping would have been better

Plus then they could lean more into the warp in the hammer at play.

[final spruce]

Now that I think of it, the issue isn't him jumping

Its Angelos, the no-fun no nonsense, guy doing a flip

I'd see Thaddeus in DoW2 do a flip because he is shown as a a reckless and pretty young space marine

[odd sparrow]

eh idk it just doesn't have the kind of weight and grit that u kinda expect from DoW. which is obvs the big issue with DoW3 in general but

it's tonally weird, the art style is just odd and not v fitting

[plucky moth]

mhm

[final spruce]

DoW lost most of its grimdark with retribution

[odd sparrow]

idc about the grimderp, from what i played of DoW2 it still felt consistent with the vibe we got in DoW1

[storm jungle]

DoW2 is pretty dark all things considered

I aint even a fan of it and just speak from all the campaigns ive played and it does the job well, the issue with retribution is all the campaigns there are like copy pasted

otherwise it has its morbid moments

[cerulean wagon]

ye just dont play retribution

retribution was bad

[coarse mirage]

A terminator armor doing a flip is gonna destroy the armor. There's simply a point at which something becomes too much and my ability to suspend my disbelief stops. A universe needs to have rules. If one of those rules is "no rules", that means I can just shut off my brain and enjoy it. But that's not really the case for Warhammer 40k terminator armor. It has rules, there are things it does and does not do.

[open marsh]

🙄

[coarse mirage]

What?

[plucky moth]

that's fair

[open marsh]

Y'all act like every terminator in the Imperium is suddenly showing up the cirque du soleil

[coarse mirage]

Where did I even imply that?

That's not even remotely what this is about.

[cerulean wagon]

y'all act like cadian armour being common is bad

[coarse mirage]

It's all about this one instance of it, this one time.

[cerulean wagon]

[open marsh]

Instead of a guy who happens to have a perfect storm of things going for him

[coarse mirage]

Do you understand what I was saying? Do you get my point?

[cerulean wagon]

na nuclear just wants to be salty

[open marsh]

I get it. I just think it's wrong in this regard. Because it doesn't account for things that allow a person to "break" the rules. Or that there are no combinations of instances within the rules that allow such events

[coarse mirage]

Has it ever happened before?

Could you cite me a single other example of it?

[cerulean wagon]

it has not happened before

and there is no reason given for it happening

there is no special rule in place

[open marsh]

A Blood Raven librarian Termie empowered himself with the warp and cut a backflip

[coarse mirage]

Oh fuck off

[cerulean wagon]

hes not a librarian

[coarse mirage]

Indeed

[open marsh]

He has a Eldar God empowered hammer. So he still gets to pull some minor warp fuckery

[cerulean wagon]

nope

[coarse mirage]

No he doesn't.

He's incapable.

[cerulean wagon]

[coarse mirage]

You're either a librarian or you're not.

[open marsh]

Lore and gameplay says your wrong. No matter how much you dislike it

[barren tapir]

Uuuuuhhh i managed to get to see round 3 it seems

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-popcorn-nodding-eating-snacks-gif-16646651

[coarse mirage]

I feel like I could tell you the sun is hot and you would still find a way to construe it into me being wrong.

[cerulean wagon]

i mean ye

hes angry cadian armour exists

[coarse mirage]

This is some absurd contrarian bullshit you're pulling.

[cerulean wagon]

"hur hur the enemy regiment don't look unique"

[coarse mirage]

Well, I'm gonna skip continuing it as I'm not a fan of headbutting brick walls. Ta!

[open marsh]

Eh I'm more angry that it seems that writers assume that's all that exists. And that Cadians are the only regiments in existence

[cerulean wagon]

no that just seems to be you assuming

since they arent cadians

[open marsh]

Like having Cadians in Ultramar during the events of the Calgar comic. Forgetting that the Ultramar Auxilia is a thing that exists

And that Ultramar is clear on the other side of the fecking galaxy from Cadia

[open marsh]

May as well be.

The difference between these Guardsmen and Cadians: they have a different name

Anytime Guardsmen seem involved these days it's either Cadians. Or another Regiment that are Cadian clones with no actual difference from Cadians besides a name

When there are SO MANY ways Guardsmen can look

[storm jungle]

I thought it was just for marketing purposes

people are already complaining theres women

can you imagine if they didnt even go with cadian-esque armor

the salt would be immense

and no that doesnt include you, i just mean the screechers

[barren tapir]

So many witch hunters

[placid plank]

.......wat.

[open marsh]

Oh no! A games has a wamenz in it?! Riots

[storm jungle]

Just... dont go to the steam forums

theres people literally saying people the female population needs to stay in the backlines and produce kids

[coarse mirage]

Yeah we had a larf at the steam forums a while back

[storm jungle]

like what the fuck

[open marsh]

Do go to the steam forums and learn that my salt is atleast somewhat reasonable in comparison

[coarse mirage]

THere were some really, really inane complaints.

It's even more fun now that I've just finished a book that had a female church leader

[plucky moth]

tbf to the steam forums they're actually collectively less intelligent than an ogryn

[coarse mirage]

I dislike political correctness quite a lot, but the complaints on the Steam forums were really awful.

[storm jungle]

Yeah political correctness is bad when its like genderbending some well known character out of nowhere to appeal to the masses or something

[open marsh]

And for my complaints. Some cosmetics that allow you to play as other, visually distinct, regiments would allieve them

[coarse mirage]

On that note, I'm curious to know whether the bald soldier is a man or a woman...

[storm jungle]

Its a woman lmao

[coarse mirage]

They're a bit androgynous.

[open marsh]

Pretty sure that's a woman. And she isn't bald. She has a buzzcut

[coarse mirage]

So I was right!

I called it in a guys analysis video

I figured their hips were a bit too wide for a guy

and how the belt sat higher up on said hips

[storm jungle]

yeah shes really behind the scenes most of the time or in the background

maybe minus the 4 group shot when they get off the valkyrie

[open marsh]

Which is a shame. I wanted to see that power sword up close

[odd sparrow]

i mean, it's really obviously a woman

idk how ppl can't immediately clock this

[plucky moth]

well it depends on timezone

[open marsh]

Tho it's a cool detail she isn't isn't using a Imperial Guard power sword (which are Munitorium pattern). She is using a Inquisitonal Ingelldina Pattern power sword

[open marsh]

Depends on how fragile their masculinity is

[odd sparrow]

i'm not even questioning their masculinity at this point

[cerulean wagon]

its a woman, she does a grunt of confirmation to an order in the end of the trailer

[odd sparrow]

i'm questioning their eyesight

her proportions and her face are just?? duh

[open marsh]

I'm questioning something else

[storm jungle]

Im questioning when we'll get news or not before we all die from the plague

[dull flame]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/06/Various_Xenos.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120901182819 Anyone know what the robotic xenos spider thing is at the bottom in the middle?

[odd sparrow]

probs just a random alien thing, that's super old art and a number of the depicted aliens did eventually turn into other stuff afaik

[dull flame]

The only thing that looks familiar to me is the Ambull in the middle box on the left side of the image

[odd sparrow]

got a zoat, the lil hooded guy is the original incarnation of skaven-hrud, this boi probs inspired the big bug boys from necromunda i'm blanking on the name of

ye ambulls

! heck the other one too didn't spot that

But yea, there's a lot of art with random xenos that are never elaborated on or anything

[dull flame]

Poor Imperium having to deal with all that crap on top of all the major xenos factions running around

[smoky ferry]

Think there was a white dwarf article years ago that dealt with enslavers and some of the other alien "lifeforms"

you might find an awnser there

[dull flame]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/3/35/Rak'Gol_Abomination.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130328184359 Rak'Gol don't look like a fun time either.

[coarse mirage]

Xenology is a great book for that

I think you can still find Xenology for purchase

[storm jungle]

No need chief

its expensive as fuck

i got a PDF of it tho if anyone wants it

[distant harness]

Purchase lol

[dull flame]

No. winkwink

[open marsh]

I remember someone on reddit listed them all once

[odd sparrow]

! that could be helpful if u don't mind

tbh there are a few kinda cool weird lowkey xenos they've depicted, most of them are just meh to me tho

just kinda falls into the vast pool of random hostile kinda primitive probs scavenger alien races with one (1) weird gimmick

[storm jungle]

Yeah the xenology book is really good

im curious for the new one

[odd sparrow]

when's that coming out? i've heard about it but

[open marsh]

The Tarellians are interesting because they are just the survivors of the Imperium's Exterminatus campaign

Their home systems destroyed or colonized by humanity

[dull flame]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/6e/Ransacking_the_dig_by_columbussage.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130328220750

[odd sparrow]

i do forever kinda hope they do a xenos merc faction. or like, make auxiliaries an actual thing again

the tau were meant to fulfill that kinda niche buuut they got turned into a gundam factory so yeah

[storm jungle]

Idk either, like they're advertising it but its been dropped off the map for now.

Im gonna insta buy it so i should be aware of these things lol

[open marsh]

Yeah the Tarellians would be perf for that

[dull flame]

Wasn't their homeworld eaten by a Tyranid Hive Fleet?

[odd sparrow]

yeah! you could have diff races fulfilling different niches, there's a bunch of interesting aesthetics u could explore there. Maybe not as a whole faction, without real common aesthetics it could just look like a dogs dinner of random models, but cmon give me my auxiliaries back

[open marsh]

No. It was wiped by the Imperium

[dull flame]

Lizardmen in spess though. 😄

[odd sparrow]

it would be nice seeing like, the perspective of xenos that got their empires yeeted and colonized by humans

given the imperium's colonisation efforts don't seem to be that elaborated on in much stuff

[open marsh]

Yeah
That's the Tarellians

[odd sparrow]

maybe it hits too close to home idk, it would be cool to explore different ways in which the imperium is awful

beyond just oppressing their own ppl

yee

[final spruce]

I mean they already exterminate everything that isn't human or close to it

[dull flame]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/95/43/2b95433ce9b581ebe4cc395465c6fac3.jpg Space Skaven when though?

[final spruce]

Dunno how far you wanna go after that

[open marsh]

When people get salty that the Imperiu lm hasn't wiped the Tau I get a little confused because, out of so many the Imperium has wiped over 10,000 years, a few are bound to get lucky and survive

[odd sparrow]

i mean yea but like, i haven't seen a whole lot of material written about the aftermath of that. Like, the specifics, the generational trauma and bitterness the survivors would be vibing with after that

[dull flame]

I suppose we can argue that Tyranids are the Skaven of 40k.

[open marsh]

You have to ask why hasn't the Imperium wiped out the Eldar exodites?

[open marsh]

No that's the Stryxies

[odd sparrow]

given the Imperium is basically just an amalgamation of all the absolute worst regimes ever then yeah idk

[smoky ferry]

most xenos probably wouldn't have generations left alive to mourn

[storm jungle]

Too many worlds

Too costly

[odd sparrow]

imperialism is weirdly not that thoroughly explored

[storm jungle]

And not really worth it generally

[dull flame]

Rogue Trader has so many cool xenos races I never heard about til now

[final spruce]

The kronus expanse bestiary is pretty neat

[dull flame]

These guys, the Rak'Gol, Sand Tigers and so on

[open marsh]

Wehhwehh it's the Imperium. The exodites are a bunch of backwater weaklings. The Imperium should just delete them. Remove Eldar from game. Weeehhhh

[dull flame]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/89/A_Sand_Tiger.png/revision/latest?cb=20150225200434 Get the multilaser

[odd sparrow]

what level of dune r u on
idk maybe 5 or 6 my dude

[dull flame]

The spice

The things from Astartes were supposed to be Yu'Vath, correct? https://external-preview.redd.it/CYmCtnc-45RYBEwvyOyP1tN0WxT7IUB7LyNKVkSU5tc.jpg?auto=webp&s=d591b3b1ecc65d654f2dfafc6a44b9885b530c6c

[open marsh]

No

[storm jungle]

[open marsh]

The author has said it's a homebrew thing he made specifically for the series

[dull flame]

Ohh okay.

[open marsh]

Hehehehehehehehe

[vagrant osprey]

GW decided not to introduce the Skaven to 40k because they realized it'd just be the Imperium.

[storm jungle]

kek

jokes aside though skaven in 40k would be insane

[vagrant osprey]

The thing from Astartes was supposed to be an original creation with no existing mention in lore.

[distant harness]

Exodites don't do shit and are all over the place, and trying to wipe them out just pisses off craftworlds. Even then the imperium does kill them sometimes

[open marsh]

Dilara knows I was just joking.

[distant harness]

I know you were, but it's a silly comparison to tau lol

[vagrant osprey]

I'm not sure Skaven AREN'T in the 40k universe. 40k hive cities explicitly have "rat men" in their sumps.

[open marsh]

Not really. Tau are just as much in place in 40k as the Eldar

[distant harness]

It's silly because exodites aren't an expanding empire, they're just hippy elves that pop up all over the place

I don't mind Tau being there but I do wish they'd just moved them further out in the galaxy

[dull flame]

I wanna see more of them. Hopefully he'll go back to that story someday

[odd sparrow]

40k skaven could be really fun tabletop wise tbh

Given all the ridiculous nonsense they had in fantasy

[open marsh]

#40sKaven

[limpid hedge]

It would be really fun

[open marsh]

like, WHF could totally bullshit that a bunch of skaven actually detonated a bomb full of warp dust that cast them into 40k

Know what would be fun? Van Saar gangers vs Tau. The Dark Age of Technology vs Tau tech

in small scale

[storm jungle]

I'd say skaven would have needed to be around as long as the orks to be a legit faction that would survive to today's times

[open marsh]

Introduce them into a smaller skirmish game

Then have them do what Skaven do and suddenly explode in numbers

Vermintide 40k

Vermintide vs Tyranid invasion

[smoky ferry]

you could probably use them in necromunda as conversions if there is a good mutant faction, though the one with the bomb rats could make a good sub too

[open marsh]

Sneaking in some Skaven into Darktide would be an awesome way to add a reference to their previous games...and sneak Skaven into 40k like sneeki cheeki beekis

❤️

[odd sparrow]

u can kitbash 40k skaven very easily

genestealer cults and especially admech have good arms, weapons and lil trinkets, can stick them onto stormvermin

[open marsh]

Someone tell FS to include sneeki Skaven references into Darktide

Like in te deepest depths of the hive you find small Skaven trinkets or what looks like could have been a nest of them

[odd sparrow]

put a skaven triangle somewhere

ez

[open marsh]

ye

Tho I imagine all the salt that would flow from the "Nu uh!" crowd

The "You dont actuall see a Skaven in the game! They arent canon!"

[odd sparrow]

warpstone transcends universality

yes-yes

[open marsh]

"Guys. There is a Skaven triangle....in the game...like right there. Only Skaven do that. Its a Skaven thing....."

[plush mason]

what?

i didnt see a skaven rune

[odd sparrow]

skaven belong in runes, not clogging up the hive

[cerulean wagon]

honestly

skaven would just work as furry orks

[open marsh]

....and? :3

[cerulean wagon]

that doesnt realy bring anything unique

their tech operates and looks pretty much the same

[limpid hedge]

Furry Orks sounds fun

[distant harness]

no skaven also means slightly less overused memes

[cerulean wagon]

do i need to go and get the skaven memes

[odd sparrow]

no.

[distant harness]

dude word-word lmao

[open marsh]

DO IT, YOU COWARD

[plush mason]

so if the ordo mallius kills any that fight aginst chaos how and why did they let cadia exist?

tbh i have always seen that as a waste

[open marsh]

One of the few exceptions to their rule

Because exterminatusing cadia would have just let chaos run rampant

[plush mason]

still killing men that have foguht chaos before and beatten it is stupid

its a waste of a resource

"lives are the emperor's currency. spend them well."

[atomic pelican]

Expecting sane, reasonable, men out of a organization called the Inquisition is a stretch

[crisp heath]

Different writers

[atomic pelican]

That too

[plush mason]

yes if only the inquisition was like the 3rd and not the first

[crisp heath]

Some writers not as logical minded as others

tho logic and 40k tend to mix like oil and water

[plush mason]

true

[final seal]

just need abit of soap to bind the oil

[crisp heath]

Aka eliminated trash writers, give more credence to ones that are competent

Or at least more control over the narrative

[plush mason]

or maybe form an offical canon for all writers to follow

[crisp heath]

Similar to how they get rid of CEO Kirby and replaced him with with a much more competent Kevin

Tho yeah, an official guideline and ruleset for lore would be good too

[plush mason]

thats the whole reason canons exist lol

[atomic pelican]

Alot would have to change for that

Considering contradictions are pretty common

Even amongst factions fluff and their own codices.

[plush mason]

correct

[atomic pelican]

One would imagine a requirement for writimg a codex or a book for a factiom would at minimum match that codex or the such

But its wild, so w/e

[final seal]

i think even the canon police couldnt resist the temptations of profits

[serene eagle]

The only way I accept this lore is that they filter through people who have fought chaos, those that can be saved get recruited as inquisition assets, those that can't get euthanised for obvious reasons

[plush mason]

afaik thats not what they do

they just off the whole regiment

[serene eagle]

That's bad writing lmao

That honestly sounds like old grimderp lore from when it was satire

[plush mason]

i mean i can see them doing that tho

ordo mallius is the most extream of the ordos

ofc they only deal in demonic threats

its ordo hereticus that deals with the other forces of chaos

[plush mason]

so is the entire months of shame saga non canon?

which iirc was all about how ordo mallius exicutes all the guardsmen that fight demons alongside them

which compleatly pissed off the space wolves that where also helping them

[celest dome]

It is canon
But do note that not all Inquisitor will react the same way

[open marsh]

And it was more the Grey Knights urging the Inquisitor's decision to cover up their own existence

[celest dome]

Inquisitor don't have much direct oversight from their Ordo they are left to their own device as long as they don't betray them

[open marsh]

And what amounts to "treason" is ill defined

[celest dome]

Radical|Puritan are always at strife

And even then Radical|Puritan isn't really a easy scale
It's centre point is mostly going to be you, and then it will divide the rest

[open marsh]

And you can go too far in either direction and cause more damage than you fix

[crisp heath]

Radical Puritan scale is kind of like the left wing right wing line. It sort of works for a giving a gist of it but it’s one dimensional and oversimplified.

[open marsh]

Yes but no

The more puritan you get, the more 1 dimensional the scale becomes

While radicals are far more varied

[celest dome]

Some Puritan don't allow/trust SM and any Abhuman (very extreme Puritan)

But some Radical will allow the use of Deamonhost but not Xenos, or only Tau/Eldar while other will accept Necron/Orks/DEldar

[crisp heath]

I don’t think they’re that one dimensional tho

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Puritan

They vary on their puritan beliefs

Tho radicals do seem shotgun out like open bore birdshot at 50 meters

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Radical

[celest dome]

But they aren't really that different in the stuff they use, as allowing the use of Xenos/Chaos stuff put you at strife with the other Puritan

[crisp heath]

Equipment likely is more uniform, but its the way they use it and how they further their belief groups and the Imperium (or hinder) that matters more.

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors are made to be one dimensional

unless they're a special character that is

[crisp heath]

I’m referring to the Puritians and Radicals as a whole, not per Inquisitor

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats still the same

[plush mason]

what does it matter if guardsmen know that the grey knights exist?

[crisp heath]

Not exactly? Whatevs

I mean Inquisition

[plush mason]

i mean a grey knight is basicly just another space marine

[crisp heath]

Eh... yes and very much no

[plush mason]

on the outside yes

[storm jungle]

Its some stupid shit about secrecy

[plush mason]

all they have to do is say "these are space marines that specialize in fighting demonspawn"

[storm jungle]

^

i dont think anyone likes that stupid thing of them wiping out survivors

[plush mason]

its wastefull and pointless

[open marsh]

Helps keeps their secrets out of the hands of the enemies of man

[crisp heath]

Honestly they’re better off as a massive propaganda tool in my mind

[plush mason]

^

like all the other space marines

[storm jungle]

What enemies?

like

information still spreads

you cant really stamp it out

[plush mason]

a coverstory/propaganda campaine would do that even better

[crisp heath]

I’m pretty sure any high level Chaos dudes are aware of who they are. Chaos God are very much aware who they are.

[plush mason]

yeah even most space marine chapters know who they are

just call them the chamber millitant of the ordo mallius and be done with it

[celest dome]

Or just give the regular SM paintjob and call it done

[plush mason]

define regular

[celest dome]

SM from normal legion (Imperial Fist, Blood Angel and such)

[plush mason]

jsut make up a backstory about them being a chaptor of space marines

bro

[crisp heath]

Shhh you’re being logical in 40k

[plush mason]

there is a million different paintjobs for space marines now

[crisp heath]

Rule of cool dictates being as obvious as possible

[plush mason]

and bright ass grey armor that is more of a mirror than anything is hella obvious

[crisp heath]

Unless you’re sneaky cool, which in that case go Raven Guard and Tanith 1st n Only

Orks do it, and they’re the biggest faction in the galaxy in terms of sheer numbers and power

[plush mason]

tbh it seems to me that the writers of the inquisition/grey knights didnt know anything about how such orginizations work

[crisp heath]

Oi I tink dis is deh cewl stuf, n I tink it wok, der for et woks

[plush mason]

power is debateable

[crisp heath]

Well total power, they’re just so warlike and violent that they can’t consolidate that power unless Gork and Mork willed that the galaxy’s biggest WAAAAAGGGHHHHHH take place

[celest dome]

Orks aren't really federalised, most Waaagh are against other orks

[crisp heath]

Just bring back the Beast, but now he’s Big Beast

[restive turtle]

Mah boi Ghazghkull be taken the Beast role

[crisp heath]

Punished Ghazghkull

[crisp heath]

honestly even the ordo malleus itself is very secretive and it's a straight up death sentence for any humans outside of the service of the inquisition to witness daemons or learn of their existence. not the warp, not the ruinous powers, but daemons themselves

and marines get mindwiped if they see the grey knights

because they're too valuable a resource to be killed

[open marsh]

Except for Dark Angels. They and the GK are cool. Because the GKs know the Dark Angels know how to keep their mouths shut tight

[plush mason]

after seeing the mistake of an abomination that is the lion's wrath i no longer care about any of it

[open marsh]

Azrael's combi-bolter?

[plush mason]

yes

[open marsh]

Its appearance has been changed since

[plush mason]

to what?

[barren tapir]

To something not as atrocious

[plush mason]

oh thank fuck

[plush mason]

that is infinately better

[rotund siren]

now it looks cool

[barren tapir]

Wait... Is that a hole in the magazine??

[open marsh]

Its a viewport to see how much ammo you have remaining

[barren tapir]

Lol, advanced tech my ass

[barren tapir]

It is legit a hole

[plush mason]

dnt bolters have holographic ammo counters on them?

[barren tapir]

I know that viewport are a thing, but it should be something advanced FFS

[open marsh]

Older models didnt.

[plush mason]

ah

[open marsh]

Remember. Its Imperial Tech.

Its level of advancement is all over the place

[barren tapir]

Eeeehh, kinda make sense

[plush mason]

like the warlock said in DOW2 eldar campaign

human communication technology is little removed from shouting

what was his name?

Velderon?

[barren tapir]

We have lost much in the age of strife... Now we rely on the mind of people to send messages... That is one of the most grimdark things IMO

[rotund siren]

haha

yeah

even voxes are barely usefeul

[plush mason]

like he said

little removed from shouting

[barren tapir]

I wouldn't be surprised if common vox stuff is around WW2 tech level wise

While more well made stuff is around our current time level

[plush mason]

most video games have it sound like it

[rotund siren]

that is what it seems like

maybe it was for old WW1 reenactors or something

[plush mason]

eh

the packs are more ww2 radiomen

ww1 didnt have radio like that actual now that i think of it

[barren tapir]

Oh, yeah, i miswrote

[open marsh]

I know some worlds have satellite communications

[rotund siren]

wow

that's good for them

[open marsh]

In the Imperium. There are some worlds who have a similar level of tech to what we have now

[barren tapir]

The majority afaik

[open marsh]

Yeah, Civilized Worlds

[barren tapir]

Exactly, they are the most numerous class

And while the class of a planet is based on the population mostly they tend to have a level of tech similar to our in RL

[open marsh]

Not many stories are set in them. because noone comes to 40k to hear a story about Bob the Accounting Manager's presentation on the last quarterly updates

[barren tapir]

They are extremely varied... And by going with that we could even have some democratic world...

[barren tapir]

Like we don't have many stories where the IG, or even the PDF, managed to kick the asses of the enemies... They don't make good stories... Unless you are Elysia, then you manage to get a bit of spotlight

[open marsh]

I think the only time I can think of that we have seen a civilized world was in Eisenhorn's book. He had a manor on one.

one of the*

I cant remember which one

[barren tapir]

Gudrun

[open marsh]

It was the planet where he went on that train ride

yeah. The planet sounded like it was pretty much: western europe, the planet

[barren tapir]

Old england

[open marsh]

Gave me Switzerland vibes

Especially that train. And it getting stuck in the snow

Also mentions of ski resorts I think

[crisp heath]

switzerland and italy is what i gleaned from it, especially since i recall the description of the houses being built from stone/with stone on the facades and the town as small and quite quaint

[open marsh]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

proportionally more people live in hive worlds

but that's cause hive worlds mostly have higher populations than like, 10 civilised worlds all put together

[open marsh]

Yeah

[serene eagle]

Except for Commodus Voke. That man is a national treasure.

[hallow apex]

Man got into a mental match with a daemonhost, the absolute unit

[plush mason]

so he could survive about a half a second aginst malcador

thats imperssive

[hallow apex]

Malcador immobilized Primarchs.

There’s little contest.

[plush mason]

ofc

most others wouldnt last even a millisecond

malcador could fart and delete half the room outa existence

[crisp heath]

malcador was a fucking beast and still choose to look like an old man in a bathrobe. a lesson in humility

[cloud kindle]

Man put horus in his place

10/10

[crisp heath]

psychically bitchslapped horus

like a boss

[cloud kindle]

Shame cause we were about to get a name of one of the lost primarchs

[crisp heath]

we weren't. we'll never get them and that's the state of things

intentionally

[cloud kindle]

Ino

[crisp heath]

just as we'll never learn exactly what happened in the DAoT

[cloud kindle]

But i was lime >:O

[serene eagle]

100% best part of eisemhorn was when Eisenhorn describes Voke's overt and aggressive strategies as him establishing who was the 'Alpha male' inquisitor

Funniest shit i ever read in a 40k book

The virgin Gregor vs The Chad Voke

[crisp heath]

voke was one ANGERY old man when he got fired up

[plush mason]

ok Chad must mean something different now a days

when i was growing up it was a flat out insult

a chad was a beta pretending to be an alpha

[serene eagle]

Your culture must have a pretty niche definition bc the rest if the world Chad=dumb alpha male football player stereotype

[open marsh]

Usually someone from a wealthy family who thought that his family's money meant he wouldnt get his ass beat for bowing up at someone he shouldnt have

[plush mason]

we called them jocks

[rotund siren]

nah, there's a difference

jocks are stupid male football players

[serene eagle]

Chad is more broad than that but its still an extention/evolution of thr jock meme

[plush mason]

all i know is back inthe early 2000s you didnt want to be called a chad

[serene eagle]

'Your culture' no offense fyi, just saying that ive talked to people from a lot of countries

Though of course its a recent internet meme

[plush mason]

yeah

[serene eagle]

Sounds about right though, chad isn't exactly an endearing name

[plush mason]

they use it like it is now

and it confuses the fuck outa me lol

[serene eagle]

The original meme was that Virgin and Chad are opposite extremes of masculinity, both bad and immature but in different ways

Modern day its 50/50 if chad is good or chad is just a different extreme

[plush mason]

the virgin part of that is the most chad mindset one can have

[serene eagle]

The memes are funnier that way

[plush mason]

the whole virgin=weak is compleat bullshit

laughs in knights templar

[serene eagle]

They did plenty of uhhhhhg 'pillaging'but it doesn't count if they a heretic

[crisp heath]

oh knights fucked. knights fucked a lot.

they just didn't own up to it...

[serene eagle]

This

[crisp heath]

look, if she can't prove it's yours it's not yours

[plush mason]

the knights templar took vows of chasity

[serene eagle]

Codes of 'Virginity' are common across cultures of all knighthoods, though in reality it was just a ban on relationships, not molesting enemy noncombatants

[crisp heath]

vows of chastity doesn't mean actual celibacy was kept, but they were forbidden, formally, from having relations with women. same as priests, and we know how prudent those are with it

[serene eagle]

Medieval soldiers were exceptionally rapey, the idea of a modern army that Doesnt deliberately harm noncombatants is a very recent one

[crisp heath]

it was mainly an economical matter elevated into an aesthetic of religious importance

[plush mason]

i mean these where monastic vows

[crisp heath]

predominantly to prevent knights from passing amassed wealth to children

same as with priests

[plush mason]

templars where also sworn to povorty

[serene eagle]

Bro the templars were literally the richest chapter

Irk

Irl

[plush mason]

yes but they could not have any of that wealth on their person

[crisp heath]

again, the oaths were not always analogous with what really happened

[plush mason]

ofc

[vagrant osprey]

Unrelated: The number 1 cause of death for Ordo Hereticus is Ordo Hereticus

[serene eagle]

Having wealth on your person is a bad idea...but also soldiers carried all their wealth...in the form of armor.

[plush mason]

monastic vows are almost impossable to keep outside of a monistary

[crisp heath]

and on occasion jewelry

that was done for example amongst landsknechts, they wore chains to keep their wealth on their person

[serene eagle]

When they retired they usually sold all their armor to their buddies

[crisp heath]

though the entire armaments of a knight, from sword through maille to horse, was very expensive

in the context of the day

[plush mason]

landsknechts where mercs tho

you cant comparie them to monastic knights

[crisp heath]

still soldiers however

well, the comparison is rather impossible by the 200 years difference between the two

[plush mason]

a monastic knight was more than a soldier tho

[plucky moth]

yeah Mercs work for whoever pays them while monastic knights work for their order

but like

it's all corrupt anyway

the former are just more straightforward about it

[plush mason]

most knights where not monastic tho

they where secular

[crisp heath]

a knight order is basically a number of elite soldiers serving for life or for a long period of time, financed by themselves and the requirements are higher to join

[plucky moth]

well "secular" is a strong word

all knights were highly religious

just many of them weren't tied to a holy order

[crisp heath]

because it was standard for the time

[plucky moth]

and rather to their own land

[plush mason]

back then secular meant not controled by the church itself

[vagrant osprey]

Incorrect. They had typical religiosity

[crisp heath]

however, even the church was an institution concerned with money and land

[plush mason]

ofc

[vagrant osprey]

Also, knights were basically the medieval gangs.

[plush mason]

correct

[crisp heath]

depends on how you define gangs

[storm jungle]

Probably looking rich and beating people up?

Enemy and peasant alike?

[vagrant osprey]

And taking stuff from people

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/you-picked-the-wrong-motherfucking-house-chill-its-me-carl-havent-i-been-here-before-actual-threat-gif-15481386

[odd sparrow]

feudalism = protection rackets tldr

[serene eagle]

I mean, knights could get in trouble for pillaging their own territory without permission

[storm jungle]

literally this

[vagrant osprey]

And getting into gang wars. Mostly over revenge for insults

[storm jungle]

just with less italian accents

eyyyy

[plush mason]

the first knights where just normal soldier

[serene eagle]

Pretty much sums up all pre- nation states

[crisp heath]

feudalism was like
some fella was like ok you have to fight for me, and levy men to fight for me, and then you don't pay tax

and the other fella was like fuck yes, and went to his ppl like
you will pay taxes for me and then i'll protect your lands from that fucker over there who'd pillage them

[serene eagle]

Just noticed your name lol.

Ah yes, why didn't eisenhorn just bazooka chery

[plush mason]

techicly all forms of government are just protection rackets

[storm jungle]

Yeah because nobody would work for free

[odd sparrow]

inb4 anarchy gang

[storm jungle]

i know i wouldnt

[serene eagle]

Just really complicated and mostly consensual

[storm jungle]

Gimme my cash grandma

[crisp heath]

wym just noticed lol

[crisp heath]

lets goooo no taxes

[storm jungle]

Game of Thrones earlier seasons show off knights really well btw. Jamie is a prime example

lol

[odd sparrow]

if all knights are as handsome as jaime i'm absolutely on board for a return to feudalism

[serene eagle]

How does an anarchic society stop a massive tide of rabid alt Righters or commies?

[odd sparrow]

maybe minus the incest if possible

[storm jungle]

[odd sparrow]

nO

we are like

so not doing an anarchy debate

[crisp heath]

if there is no government to stop you from owning guns, who will?

i want a fucking howitzer

and a gold-painted Tiger I

[odd sparrow]

i'm unsure of how i'd feel about faust having long range artillery

[serene eagle]

DON'T YOU MEAN

[crisp heath]

gonna go to the bovington tank museum and just take it

[rotund siren]

The same way one would deal with 40-50 wild hogs

[cloud kindle]

My favourite knight

[storm jungle]

Too tall

get it outta here

[serene eagle]

OUR HOWITZER KOMRADE

[cloud kindle]

What

Im a size king

[storm jungle]

[cloud kindle]

[rotund siren]

sheesh

[crisp heath]

i already have the tank crew pants anyway

[serene eagle]

Lol good luck repairing the transmission without 146 pioneers

[crisp heath]

just need the tank

[rotund siren]

true

[crisp heath]

all my friends are engineers

i literally know like 20 engineers irl

[rotund siren]

you know what that means

get them together and force them to build a tank

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/6NTfCbfvwM8?t=1

[odd sparrow]

they're guild approved

[storm jungle]

oh nvm

[rotund siren]

hahaaha

but you're right

[odd sparrow]

instant bardin

™️

[serene eagle]

20 engineers is not enough

[rotund siren]

tanks are more gun +

[crisp heath]

well all those engineers know other engineers

[serene eagle]

Do you actually understand how fucked the tiger is to support?

[crisp heath]

and i know all kinds of engineers. mechanical, electrical

yes

[plucky moth]

the problem with anarchy debates is everyone speaks out of order

[odd sparrow]

incan i will cut you

[rotund siren]

HA

HA

HA

[storm jungle]

[rotund siren]

HILARIOUS

SO FUNNY

[crisp heath]

still love it even if hills of 15m elevation kill it, just like they kill me, and that's why it's my spirit AFV

[storm jungle]

SHOOT HIM

[serene eagle]

I vote we elect a supreme anarchist to arbitrate discussion

[odd sparrow]

once i get my bow i can and will take a raft to australia

[serene eagle]

I vote myself

[odd sparrow]

ima repeat the path of his ancestors before ending their lineage

[rotund siren]

No voting, sorry

[plucky moth]

lmao

[storm jungle]

And we arent giving you our nukes

[crisp heath]

the only thing you're allowed to vote for is what kind of pizza we're having

[serene eagle]

Ok

How many Divisions u got??

[odd sparrow]

hm

[rotund siren]

what do you mean, they are already all of our nukes?

[odd sparrow]

no mozzarella under any circumstances

it's bad

[crisp heath]

heretic

[rotund siren]

what divisions? you mean groups of people? 1

[crisp heath]

i'm getting the pyre

[odd sparrow]

try it bitch

[crisp heath]

mozzarella is a must on pizza

[odd sparrow]

i forget

what's mozzarella again

[rotund siren]

Ratty

[final spruce]

Lmao

[serene eagle]

Legit how tf do you prevent another Stalin situation

[rotund siren]

how can you be against the unknown?

[plucky moth]

Ratty wtf

[final spruce]

Yep, to the pyre you go

[odd sparrow]

is it the weird white cheese or is that another one

[rotund siren]

no leaders, mang

[final spruce]

No that's feta

[plucky moth]

Feta is amazing btw

[odd sparrow]

u dont put feta on pizza fool

[serene eagle]

A lot of anarchists just think 'oh no this time it won't happen

[odd sparrow]

i mean like

the other weird white cheese

[final spruce]

You do

[odd sparrow]

that goes on pizza

[final spruce]

Mozza

[crisp heath]

this white stuff

[final spruce]

You can put anything on a pizza

[odd sparrow]

yea that white stuff

[atomic pelican]

pizza

pasta

put it in abox

deliver it to my house

[final spruce]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[plucky moth]

you can put feta and camembert on pizza just fine

[odd sparrow]

i'll put ur corpse on pizza

[crisp heath]

just throw anyone who tries to seize power out of the window

[serene eagle]

How do you organise the society so that china doesn't Vore you?

[atomic pelican]

and put it on my cock my cock my cock my COO

[odd sparrow]

,, wha

[atomic pelican]

It's a

[storm jungle]

[atomic pelican]

lemme find it

[plucky moth]

I am

so lost

[final spruce]

Boy

[rotund siren]

just don't be near China, duh

[odd sparrow]

there is no excuse.