She came across a Fallen Chaos Space Marine once, mistook him for a true Dark Angel, and had a vendetta ever since
#40k-lore-chat
crisp heath
Dark angels can be v reasonable marines
They get bad rep from memes and shitty writers
And i love my knight boys
First mini i ever painted was a dark angel
crisp heath
For reasons of "fuck the stale memes" and campaign meta stuff, the inquisitor in the story I'm working on has good relations with them
distant harness
don't the GK keep bound daemons too though? 🤔
open marsh
For reasons of "fuck the stale memes" and campaign meta stuff, the inquisitor in...
So did this Inquisitor. Its what the daemons are counting. Road to Hell and all that
crisp heath
Because the campaign organizer I'm writing the planet lore & story for plays them
open marsh
don't the GK keep bound daemons too though? 🤔
Yeah, but the GK here knew something was off. Never fully trusting the Inquisitor. He sensed something was off. And having learned she got her info from a daemon, obviously realized she had become their pawn and lured them all into a trap
distant harness
Was she off though, or just a radical doing radical stuff?
open marsh
Radical doing Radical stuff
distant harness
Just seems a bit weird he'd kill her for doing stuff they do too, without having read the comic
crisp heath
So they come to the system after a call of "yo bro i found your relics in a planetary noble's ass, come get them and bail us out of a chaos incursion while you're here."
distant harness
like they aren't figuring out true names by googling it lol
open marsh
Just seems a bit weird he'd kill her for doing stuff they do too, without having...
Why she shot her becomes obvious a page or two later. An actual Fallen detonated essentially a warp drive. Causing a massive warp storm and dragging them all into the warp.
She has been used as a pawn by Chaos and lured them all into a fatal trap. And the GK obviously realized that
distant harness
Ah, makes a bit more sense then, just weird wording I guess
limpid hedge
The GK are all very powerful sikers and if one should start to stray or be manipulated the others would realize
That’s the difference
open marsh
Its why being a radical is so dangerous. The comic goes far to show that dealing with daemons is so dangerous. As far as the Inquisitor was aware, she was doing the Emperor's work and had no idea the daemon's grander plan, or that she was doing just as he wanted her too. Basically, she had become the worst kind of heretic, without ever even realizing it
You dont have to willinging worship chaos to become an agent of their wishes and will
crisp heath
Degrees of utilitarian radicalism & control
open marsh
Degrees of utilitarian radicalism & control
This Inquisitor thought she had total control. That she was the master of the daemonhost
crisp heath
Yeah ik
open marsh
She couldnt comprehend that the daemon's plan had been set in motion centuries before and that she was merely the final piece on his side of the board
crisp heath
Basically, if it's sentient don't use it
distant harness
or be important enough they can't shoot you for it
limpid hedge
Now you see
crisp heath
It can still fuck you over tho
open marsh
or be important enough they can't shoot you for it
That GK would have shot her no matter how "important" she was
distant harness
Just need to be more important then
crisp heath
And the slippery scale for judging whether you can contain it or not is a lot more difficult.
distant harness
GK don't tend to shoot other GK, and shooting custodes would be a bad idea I imagine
open marsh
massive spoiler for the end of the comic: ||The daemon appears to rescue her, after dragging everyone into the warp||
distant harness
both immediately and long term
open marsh
GK don't tend to shoot other GK, and shooting custodes would be a bad idea I ima...
A custodes would have never been so stupid as to consort with daemons
distant harness
a custodes had a giant daemon sword shoved in him and got told to fuck off forever in the hh
crisp heath
Ideally, keep a "pure" disciple or buddy that will shoot you if you become more radical than need be
distant harness
they've got dark cells full of all sorts of shit, a bunch worse than daemons no doubt
though probs right they wouldn't be dumb enough to trust daemons
crisp heath
Never trust daemons, even if you've bound them, seems so obvious and yet
open marsh
gestures at Eisenhorn
crisp heath
I really do like the idea of raising a disciple in whom you instill strong moral codes and the knowledge that one day they will have to terminate you when you start slipping
limpid hedge
Never trust daemons, even if you've bound them, seems so obvious and yet
Yeah. Get two daemons and you can cross check them
open marsh
The Eisenhorn books also give a good perspective of someone being manipulated and tainted by Chaos, without truly realizing it. Sure he managed to stop a Chaos plot. But the damage he did to stop it likely did far more damage to the Imperium
distant harness
can't go wrong
crisp heath
Obvs yes your failsafe can be corrupted too. But the statistical likelihood it will happen to both of you is lower
open marsh
In trying to stop Quixos, he resurrected Glaw who sought out a chaos artefact. In trying to stop Glaw, he murdered (or caused to be murdered) several high ranked Inquisitors as well as his own best friend (then used that friend as a daemonhost).
limpid hedge
Yeah. Ideally you want more than 2. So that way you can figure out which ones bullshitting. When it come to daemons the more the marrier
distant harness
iirc requiem infernal has a pretty cool take on chaos corruption too?
crisp heath
But then again finding 2 competent interrogators is hard too.
You can't just judge them by their resume.
crisp heath
In trying to stop Quixos, he resurrected Glaw who sought out a chaos artefact. I...
Whom did he get killed beside fischig and osma
open marsh
Whom did he get killed beside fischig and osma
Id have to bust out my books and look through it again. But I remember there being atleast 2 Inquisitors killed in that scuffle
crisp heath
And osma deserved it he was a dick and a raging fuckhead
open marsh
And osma deserved it he was a dick and a raging fuckhead
But he was right
crisp heath
Doesn't matter, his method was still a danger to the imperium too
distant harness
And osma deserved it he was a dick and a raging fuckhead
in malleus? I am absolutely shocked
limpid hedge
Interrogate all of them your self. Then when they all end up trying to manipulating you for their plans they will mess each other
distant harness
Put two daemons in each interrogator so they're unable to properly betray you
crisp heath
That's a waste of interrogators
We're trying to breed new inquisitors not create daemonhost kindergarten
final seal
limpid hedge
Have them cross check with each other rather than having multiple daemons assigned to one. Less likely chance of them going insane
distant harness
The only thing wrong with daemonhosts is that they don't put enough daemons in them
You think you could get two daemons to both agree on a weird host shape? They'll just bicker and stay normal instead of turning into this sort of shit
crisp heath
What's if its a slaaneshi and tzeenchian daemon and they start ouroboros-style fellating themselves by changing the body. You wouldn't get shit done.
open marsh
Staunch puritans can cause just as much damage as insane radicals
Thats what chaos wishes you believe. If you look at the most helpful Inquisitors. Ones who dont cause as much, if not more, damage than they fix. They are Puritans. Such as Hector Rex, or Greyfax
open marsh
I'm not talking about reasonable puritans
Is there an example of a puritan who caused more damage than they fixed?
crisp heath
I'm talking about monodominants and such that would shoot up psykers headed to be sacrificed to rhe golden throne then take a gold plated shit on the floor
Can't think of names atm but every time i see an obstructive one it's like that
open marsh
Puritan Inquisitors tend to only be obstructive to radical ones
odd sparrow
puritanism is surely not harmful
actually no im not gonna turn this into an irl thing
yall are spared for now
limpid hedge
Their only your guidance and communication systems. How important can they be???
final seal
how to system-lock someone, kill both astropath and navigators
crisp heath
Plus monodominants drop the most exterminatuses
plush mason
Their only your guidance and communication systems. How important can they be???
fameus last words
crisp heath
And most exterminatuses are in hindsight deemed unneeded.
restive turtle
Has an Inquisitor ever killed an Astropath and Navigator simply because they were Psykers?
limpid hedge
Probably
final seal
unless theyre sanctioned
restive turtle
Well, if they have those titles I assume they are Sanctioned.
limpid hedge
Still probably
cloud kindle
Dank angels killed one
restive turtle
You said it
cloud kindle
Cause fallen reasons
limpid hedge
Dank angels killed one
Ah yes. The infamous Dank Angels 😆😉
crisp heath
Yes, even sanctioned ones
final seal
if they stop serving their purpose then perhaps
limpid hedge
Even if they haven’t. We are taking about inquisitors
crisp heath
Gideon Lorr - Inquisitor Lorr has an uncompromising and simple directive towards any who display psychic abilities: death. Across the Segmentum Pacificus, he has overseen the execution of countless psykers, including Sanctioned Astropaths and even Navigators in his quest to eradicate any who even remotely utilise the power of the Warp.
Wiki so not sure how accurate
restive turtle
How does he even come from A to B
final seal
cant be helped if they started accusing heresy most of the time
final seal
Gideon Lorr - Inquisitor Lorr has an uncompromising and simple directive towards...
how he space travel lol
crisp heath
No idea
final seal
his astropath and navigator mustve been wearing brownpants all the time
crisp heath
Prolly
cloud kindle
Wouldn't that be tech heresy then?
final seal
could be radical in terms of using outside tech
and still puritan in anti-psyker ways
limpid hedge
Probably a tou ship with some servitors wired into the ships systems
odd sparrow
i mean, i understand that u can technically travel through the warp without a navigator right? it's just
rawdogging the warp
cloud kindle
Highly not recommend
final seal
oh and webwayy
limpid hedge
Like driving down the highway at 100 while blindfolded in the middle of night
odd sparrow
tau ships are uh. i understand the exact fluff on how they travel is wildly inconsistent
but general vibe is it's way slower
so using that kind of technology would be wildly fucky if u wanna travel between more than like a few planets in a human lifetime
cloud kindle
Also lacking gellar fields
final seal
"Narvhal - The Narvhal is a unique Tyranid bio-ship that allows Tyranid Hive Fleets to traverse interstellar space by warping space-time between the origin and destination star systems without the need for entering the chaotic multidimensional space of the Warp."
cloud kindle
Which became an issue once the last fleet got consumed by the warp
odd sparrow
how do we make the tau more grimdark?
i have good idea. we make them exactly like the imperium uwu
muh xenos
cloud kindle
Rip auxiliaries
odd sparrow
GW cannot be trusted to not grimderp the tau
i assume full responsibility for the writing and dissemination of tau fluff
it is mine.
limpid hedge
I some how doubt that he would use a tyranid ship.
final seal
imagine Gideon sits in a foetal position in a nid ship goop
limpid hedge
Mainly due to the fact that it would eat him
cloud kindle
Make the tau suffer a chaos invasion
Would be entertaining
And farsight can save the day
final seal
"psykers is kil" in his head
cloud kindle
Ezy
odd sparrow
to be fair they already had the death guard stuff
cloud kindle
Stopped by the greater good god yeh
odd sparrow
wait is that what happened
odd sparrow
the only thing they've done with the tau'va-ish entity atm is with the 4th sphere expansion
cloud kindle
But im sus if they dealt with the deathguard
odd sparrow
they left it ambiguous, don't think they've picked that storyline up yet
final seal
Mainly due to the fact that it would eat him
i thought it would be funny how he could ascertain control of a nid ship
odd sparrow
hey if anyone has sufficient pretty blue dakka to laser death guard away
is blueberries
cloud kindle
Unless the deathguard succeeded in sending some hidden gifts of nurgle
restive turtle
I really want to see Tau getting corrupted and their machines getting tainted.
limpid hedge
i thought it would be funny how he could ascertain control of a nid ship
It would be funny watching him get slowly digested because of the fact that he doesn’t like psykers
atomic pelican
Yee most of the deathguard got killed at the protectiom fight for the startide with some making it thru
I think
Any lore relating to the most recent stuff is so fresh
cloud kindle
They only need one to make it through
atomic pelican
Hopefully we get a tau/deathguard boxset tho
final seal
It would be funny watching him get slowly digested because of the fact that he d...
he may become like starcraft Zerg Queen
cloud kindle
Would be some proper horror
limpid hedge
he may become like starcraft Zerg Queen
Nah. He isn’t a hot chick so there would be no problem with brutality killing him
cloud kindle
Suddenly tau are infected with the plague of unbelief
Panic ensues
Farsight saves the day and gets a lot more credibility
Potential civil war
final seal
uh oh melee range
restive turtle
Then we would get 2 Tau factions at each side of the Galaxy.
cloud kindle
Grabbed by tyhus
restive turtle
Think about it
cloud kindle
Bad way to go
atomic pelican
Pls. There is unlikely to be a civil war unless GW rlly forces it
odd sparrow
every time someone demands a tau civil war storyline a part of my soul disappears
cloud kindle
Tyhpus
restive turtle
every time someone demands a tau civil war storyline a part of my soul disappear...
Woz wrong with Blue boys shooting each other up
atomic pelican
Because the main tau empire would crush farsight
restive turtle
With Farsight and the Etherals its bound to happen
cloud kindle
I call that an absolute win
atomic pelican
And neither side wants to fight
odd sparrow
yeah what hoof said
They haven't really been building up to a civil war. Farsight isn't rebelling against the empire and he doesn't want to
restive turtle
Why would it be unlikely for a large chunk to side with Farsight, when they discover the Ethereals pulled a Halo Prophet on them
atomic pelican
Farsight doesnt want to cause a rebellion
He literally tries to avoid this outright
odd sparrow
yea. tbh any storyline would more probably be rebels appear, tau and farsight have to figure out how to deal with them cus neither of them want a rebellion
cloud kindle
Make the ethereals corrupted by chaos
atomic pelican
The FSE are moreso separatists than rebels
cloud kindle
Ezy
limpid hedge
It would be interesting to see a tau corrupted by khorne. Imagine a scrony blue fish guy screaming as he ran at you only be cut down by a lasgun
cloud kindle
Yeeeeeeee
atomic pelican
Ethereals are resistant to chaos
odd sparrow
ethereals have already been butchered
atomic pelican
Moreso than even regular tau
odd sparrow
also obligatory tau aren't fish
final seal
can tau still be corrupted by warp things htough since they lack warp presence
cloud kindle
Butcher them some more
odd sparrow
blue anger
atomic pelican
Ye they can be
cloud kindle
With dawnbreaker
atomic pelican
Its just harder
restive turtle
can tau still be corrupted by warp things htough since they lack warp presence
They can
odd sparrow
ye. Think of them like WHFB dwarfs
restive turtle
Wait have I always been red
odd sparrow
it's technically possible but very, very difficult
final seal
it's like trying to corrupt a tree?
atomic pelican
Everyones red
cloud kindle
So
final seal
or a mineral rock
restive turtle
They haven't been fully exposed to a proper Chaos mass corruption yet tho
cloud kindle
That means we are super fast
odd sparrow
one book had a tzeentch daemon possess a tau but it wasn't like, the tau's sentience seems to have been pushed out
so idk if it really counts
atomic pelican
They have been
Tau have been thru the warp without gellar fields and came out fine
While their auxillaries went ape
odd sparrow
and yea. Like, the whole tau haven't fought 90% of the factions thing is v much outdated, since so much more has been written about them
restive turtle
We don't know what happened inside the Warp tho, but they got messed up mentally real good
final seal
tau FTL still involves immaterium?
final seal
i thought its parallel to imperium drives
cloud kindle
That could be the first step to chaos corruption
odd sparrow
they're def going into the tau being super ridiculously warp resistant angle, and the whole tau turning into xenophobic imperium wannabees for some fucking reason thing is like. ew the auxiliaries are warp present
clearly we must purge them
atomic pelican
Tbh ratty thats just the 4th sphere so far
cloud kindle
Tau learning how to purge
atomic pelican
And they were reprimanded by the main empire
cloud kindle
Im proud
odd sparrow
ye and i hope it stays that way
atomic pelican
I think it will
limpid hedge
The warp could have just randomly decided not to affect them.
restive turtle
Now we just need them to melee
odd sparrow
i loathe the 4th sphere stuff just for how unoriginal it is
odd sparrow
ye p
atomic pelican
But it seems to be being treated like a one off fuckup
odd sparrow
ye
cloud kindle
Wait for chaos cults to start from the 4th
atomic pelican
Since when shadowsun and gang showed up they went "wtf is wrong with you people"
And had surestrike gulagd
final seal
farsight needs to spread their influence that's what
restive turtle
What are the odds the technological advanced-hard to corrupt-super young and evolved super quick- Tau are an Eldar Craftworld weapon no one knows about.
odd sparrow
seems like GW is unable to grimdark the tau up in any way that doesn't involve them becoming the imperium 2.0 or the ethereals being disney villains
atomic pelican
Yeee
odd sparrow
like. cmon there are so many ways to approach the tau being awful
atomic pelican
The imperialism aspect is what was interesting to me
final seal
farsight seems like bloodthirsty for a start
odd sparrow
u could advance on their utopian ideals being shitty and delusional, their collectivism shafting the minorities of planets, the martyrdom complex thing, them being coercive and deceitful af to the planets they wanna conquer, that kind of vibe
restive turtle
^
odd sparrow
there's a lot to do there besides xenos reeeee
atomic pelican
Reee
odd sparrow
and it saddens me
restive turtle
I think there has been a bit of it
atomic pelican
GW writing very smallbrain anyways so just write ur own
odd sparrow
there's been a lil but most of it that i've read has been just. ethereal bad.
final seal
ideals make the plot thicccc
restive turtle
I think there is like 1 short story of some human rebellings
odd sparrow
I def will get around to some ff tbh
limpid hedge
Have there ai turn on them and then they realize that they can’t rely on it any more and so they have to try and rebuild there society
restive turtle
Ah yes the AI
cloud kindle
Men of iron 2.0
limpid hedge
Give them a little character
atomic pelican
Ah yes because "ai bad" hasnt already been done
odd sparrow
not even remotely.
restive turtle
I would love to see the Tau themselves being resistant but their AI starting to fuck up
atomic pelican
Nah
odd sparrow
leave my precious drones alone
cloud kindle
Chaos corrupted ai
odd sparrow
they are cute and innocent
atomic pelican
Drones and tauai too big for their identity as a tabletop faction
limpid hedge
I would love to see the Tau themselves being resistant but their AI starting to ...
That would be funny.
cloud kindle
Slaanesh gonna get all up in your drones
restive turtle
Evil a n g e r y Khorne Drones
final seal
then in the far future you see blue heads attached to a shield drone like a servitor
cloud kindle
Lol
odd sparrow
hey maybe they could just refuse to update the drone models for over a decade until they're so outdated that ppl are glad when they get phased out
:poggers:
cloud kindle
I want my slaneesh drone
odd sparrow
hugs my vespid teddy as i cry
atomic pelican
Except auxillaries
restive turtle
The Vespids also got yeeted when they reached through the Warp by the Tau
odd sparrow
I want my slaneesh drone
i def saw some smut of that
odd sparrow
ye
final seal
*we must take imperium as an example, attach their own kind into machines"
restive turtle
Have the 4'th sphere turn decently powerful and then gets corrupted
atomic pelican
Nah
cloud kindle
Ye
atomic pelican
The shitters responsible for the 4th sphere already got arreated
Lul
Arrested/reprimanded/etc
cloud kindle
Thats never stopped chaos before though
limpid hedge
A transport ai corrupted by khorne. 😂 no guns or anything. All it can do is angrily try and crash into you
restive turtle
A transport ai corrupted by khorne. 😂 no guns or anything. All it can do is ang...
Yes
cloud kindle
It just screams at you as it does it
odd sparrow
i maintain that my idea is far the best. have them replicate the startide nexus wormhole technology several times over, tau exclaves now appear all around the galaxy throughout imperial space
limpid hedge
It just screams at you as it does it
Yup
atomic pelican
Thatd b nice
restive turtle
I want that as a Hero Unit for Chaos
odd sparrow
now u can write them into stories that aren't in that very specific tiny part of space in the southeast
congrats tau deserve to be an actual faction now
atomic pelican
Also removes the damocles firewall sandbag
final seal
now i want a vespid
odd sparrow
yee
final seal
they look rad
cloud kindle
Damocles crusade 2.0 lead by girlyman
odd sparrow
crab people
crab people
cloud kindle
For no reason
odd sparrow
nah girlyman is busy doing paperwork
restive turtle
We all know that the Tau will be the doom of the Imperium and their only hope is the Ultramarines.
cloud kindle
Wake up the lion and get him to do it
odd sparrow
would u like some lightly fried primarch fillets
we can turn our pulse rifles down to low heat for it
atomic pelican
I think they want the imperium to fail another crusade ratty
We can add another to your L collection
odd sparrow
🧠
cloud kindle
I doubt the tau could take out a primarch like that
odd sparrow
i am remotely surprised that guilliman is the only loyalist primarch still tbh, it's been a few years
restive turtle
Well, we technically had another
restive turtle
And probably Vulkan
restive turtle
Given that he is Vulkan
cloud kindle
Wasn't a white scars party recently heading into the webway to look for the khan?
odd sparrow
if GW hasn't explicitly killed them, they're alive
atomic pelican
P much
The primarchs are excuses to shit out marine releases whenever neccesary and without warning
cloud kindle
I think girlyman needs some vulkan hugs
Though knowing his luck it will be the lion waking up and blaming him for thr state of the imperium
cloud kindle
Good
atomic pelican
Primaris lieutenant#560
odd sparrow
euihtg
restive turtle
I think girlyman needs some vulkan hugs
He needs Vulkan Hugs but he is gonna get the Lion
cloud kindle
There is nothing but primaris
final seal
they day space marines outnumber the guard will be the day it stops
limpid hedge
Girlyman needs to let his boys in blue know that the codex was a guide not the bible
atomic pelican
They already do if you count amount of minis
final seal
THEN ITS TIME TO STOP
odd sparrow
nop
cloud kindle
We must go deeper
odd sparrow
marines bring in many moneys
final seal
oh wait no stop button
restive turtle
Change the entire Guard to wear power armor
cloud kindle
There is only one button
And it says primaris
I can't link it cause im at work
Someone do it for me pls
final seal
the lore that says space marines are super rare is ~~probably ~~a lie
odd sparrow
they are supposed to be rare on a galactic scale obvs
but like
we're talking releases here and there are so many
cloud kindle
Compared to the guard yes
limpid hedge
What do you mean there super rare? I can walk into any GW store...
odd sparrow
give guard another decade and one of their basic kits might get updated
eldar still won't be updated.
final seal
i got mixed up in the marketing universe to the grimdark universe
cloud kindle
Eldar will get updated when they bring back the squats
limpid hedge
They need to do more stuff for specialized regiments
final seal
Primaris guard when
guardsman but with long legs
odd sparrow
squats are already back tho
odd sparrow
just don't have an actual 40k list
limpid hedge
I want to see Kreig but affordable
cloud kindle
I thought the lore just updated that the homeworlds got nommed
odd sparrow
they got two necromunda models
cloud kindle
Gasp
odd sparrow
I want to see Kreig but affordable
nah keep it obtrusively expensive
i don't wanna be seeing krieg fanboys in my actual games
cloud kindle
Primaris krieg
limpid hedge
Shovels!!!
atomic pelican
That'll be the day we run exclusively triptides
cloud kindle
Can dig a trench in 3 minutes
final seal
the squats that matter
cloud kindle
Goes into the book
limpid hedge
i don't wanna be seeing krieg fanboys in my actual games
I wouldn’t being Kreig. I like my orks.
odd sparrow
i approve
final seal
I love DRG but dwarves without beards is such a grudge
i cant unsee that anymore after playing
cloud kindle
I will just be baneblades
limpid hedge
i cant unsee that anymore after playing
Yes
limpid hedge
I have a knight that I don’t play
cloud kindle
Imperator when
limpid hedge
The size of a small child
cloud kindle
Deploys squads from its feet
limpid hedge
Can’t even play it in apocalypse
cloud kindle
Unless thats old lore
odd sparrow
they're probs gonna eventually do an imperator for uh
what'sitcalled
the titan game
cloud kindle
Titanica
odd sparrow
ye that
cloud kindle
I want the warmaster
odd sparrow
they're currently at the warmaster which is like, 40k knight size i'm p sure
cloud kindle
But i cant paint for shit QQ
final seal
epic scale
cloud kindle
Sif not actual 40k size
limpid hedge
As I said. The size of a small child
final seal
final seal
safely transport your titan
limpid hedge
How many void generators do you want? Yes
cloud kindle
make sure you put a seatbelt on it
final seal
well taking care of a small child requires patience
limpid hedge
well taking care of a small child requires patience
And a shit load of glue
cloud kindle
Glue the child to the floor
limpid hedge
Glue the child to the floor
You mean a black base
cloud kindle
That works too
limpid hedge
Do the Titans models even have bases?
cloud kindle
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
distant harness
What's if its a slaaneshi and tzeenchian daemon and they start ouroboros-style f...
clearly you just need to add another daemon
limpid hedge
The more the marrier
cloud kindle
No thats heresy
limpid hedge
You can never have too many daemons
cloud kindle
Unless your orkz
distant harness
If the warp can't be controlled because the gods are constantly fighting, why would it be different for a random daemonhost?
limpid hedge
No
cloud kindle
Then they are just batteries
limpid hedge
Unless your orkz
No. That just means more things to squish
limpid hedge
Weird boys are funny in general
cloud kindle
Whoops now its a psykic battery
limpid hedge
A weird boy is probably less dangerous possessed that it is if it isn’t
final seal
are gorkamorka also a chaos god?
limpid hedge
A daemon would have some measure of control over the warp energies coursing through the boy. A weird boy won’t or have any desire to
limpid hedge
are gorkamorka also a chaos god?
Kinda sorta
cloud kindle
Kind of are
But arent interest in the chaos gods game
And rather just fight each other
limpid hedge
Yeah
open marsh
They arent Chaos. They are gods of the warp, sure, but they are not Chaos
limpid hedge
I’ve heard that that’s one of the reasons the warp is so unstable. That if one of them actually won the warp would quite down
cloud kindle
Prob try to fight the other gods
limpid hedge
Khorne vs Gork
cloud kindle
Smashing tzeentchs maze sounds fun
limpid hedge
I would like to see Tzeench and Mork fighting
final seal
ah yes Warp gods
limpid hedge
That would be funny
final seal
outkunnin' each otha
limpid hedge
outkunnin' each otha
Mork the cleverest
limpid hedge
Nurgle trying to corrupt Orks
final seal
because of all the tooth decay
final seal
🤔
limpid hedge
I mean some like looting and some like speed but he/she can’t really use that either
final seal
win a fight but no loot to be found, having fast car but no gas
limpid hedge
Do you seriously think
final seal
i might get slaanesh wrong but that'd be my guess
limpid hedge
That the orks need gas?
final seal
fair point
limpid hedge
And they will take literally any piece of metal as loot
Slaanesh got nothing on them
cloud kindle
Idk one of the first tests in the garden of slaanesh is greed
limpid hedge
I guess. Maybe slaanesh could make a particularly sexy piece of metal for the orks to fight over or something
final seal
perhaps make their shiny weapons work like bog standard crud
limpid hedge
Make them louder maybe?
open marsh
I guess. Maybe slaanesh could make a particularly sexy piece of metal for the or...
You can make Orkz fight over a pointy stick
cloud kindle
At least i got my pointy stikk
open marsh
At least i got my pointy stikk
The true victory of the DoW3 campaign
limpid hedge
You can make Orkz fight over a pointy stick
Fair. They would just start fighting cause they want to and forget about the stikk
final seal
OI ME SHOINY DAKKA SOUNDZ LIKE DROPPIN' A BUKKIT O' BOLTZ
cloud kindle
That and matcha wants to get with big e
final seal
and the orkz dont feel quite as fighty any more and abandoned their battle
slaneesh had their fight mojo mooted
cloud kindle
final seal
BARBOG GIT BEKAME NIHILISTIKK
final seal
WE'Z FOIGHT, BUT TO WOT END?
limpid hedge
DA BOSS SED GO OVA THR BUT THE BOYS AN I BEEN AVEN A WONDA WHY THE BOSS DONT JUST DO IT IM SELF
limpid hedge
WE’Z AV WIET’Z AND ITS DA JOB OF DA BOSS TO UP’OLD EM WIET’Z
WE’Z AV THE WIET TO KNO WAT WE’Z GET’N AR SELVES IN TA
open marsh
I gotta say, the Marneus Calgar comic is brutal as fuck
open marsh
Then you will love this
Kids getting eaten by wolves, eaten by Ambulls, kids murdering other kids. kids getting their heads shot off. Kids freezing to death. Kids falling into trench barbed wire traps, etc
open marsh
Oh I forgot. Kids getting beaten to death by combat servitors made of the corpses of other kids who failed
cloud kindle
trials to join the ultramarines i take it
open marsh
Mostly
The kids murdering other kids was dealing with some Khornite shit
Also adults murdering kids
kids bleeding out in the arms of their friend
cloud kindle
pretty harsh
cloud kindle
bleeding out in the arms of their friend
open marsh
their friend is holding them, begging them not to die, as they die
crisp heath
Oh ok
cloud kindle
is it set before or after girlyman returns
verbal nest
What's the equivalent of a grail knight in 40k
Just wondering what dlc careers we're gonna see
bronze canyon
Doubtful that they'd made copies of what they have in Vermintide
But idk what the equivalent of a Grail Knight is 😂
coarse mirage
It's quite difficult to guess
Do we even know if it'll have a career system like that?
bronze canyon
We'll probs have the same career system, 4/5 characters with different classes
final spruce
What's the equivalent of a grail knight in 40k
Equivalent as in power or the process he underwent ?
verbal nest
Either or @final spruce
final spruce
In power ? I'd say an assassin since they are normal humans but that are modified.
In process ? The only that resembles it is the Space wolves making you drink the Canix Helix as a beer to develop your space marine organs
verbal nest
What's the canix helix
storm jungle
What's the canix helix
The geneseed of Leman Russ
basically what they inject into the people that are gonna be space wolves. If your will is weak you get turned into a werewolf
storm jungle
It was called Gene-sperm in the past
verbal nest
mfw no female primarch
You know how orks have that funny thing of making shit that doesn't work....work
Can psykers of other races do that too
storm jungle
Not really
Orks can do a lot of that shit since all of them are technically strong in their psychic presence
its why things get even more ridiculous the bigger their group gets
verbal nest
And their only limit is being smoothbrains, right?
storm jungle
Yep!
verbal nest
You know, imagine if they didn't have careers in Darktide, but each character just has a shitload of build depth
final spruce
That's what we've been saying for a while now
atomic pelican
Ye thats preferable to most ppl here I think
Since careers were kind of a crutch due to the U5 limitation
barren tapir
Grail knights in WH40K? Some people compared them to SM... Since they are "super" humans...
About the drinking from a grail the BA do something very similar, but instead of a elven goddess bath water they use blood
celest dome
Maybe Saint ? Like Gille Le Breton would be at the same lvl as Saint Sabat but other GK would be normal Saint/Martyr
verbal nest
Are they the same in terms of power?
I assumed grail knights are basically the "Spartans" (Halo) of their thing
storm jungle
It depends
closest to Grail Knights might be just any Battle sister
Both of them are pretty mortal but can still summon faith powers that hruts chaos creatures and other enemy factions through enough pray and well... faith
ashen zenith
was the ai turning against humans in the dark age of tech do to chaos?
storm jungle
Its not said in detail but chaos is said to be one of the factors, not the sole reason.
Some machines just hated humies
barren tapir
In the old lore yes, now i don't think so
It was more your classic cybernetic revolt after getting self awareness
plush mason
iirc one of the reasons was the AI felt used
they had built everything the humans had
storm jungle
Yeah it was the classic skynet thing
plush mason
and still where looked down apone
ashen zenith
also honestly im kinnda disappointed at how they look https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/d/de/UR025.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181109222157
storm jungle
also honestly im kinnda disappointed at how they look https://static.wikia.nocoo...
Thats just one of them though
restive turtle
As far as I know from someone reading 40k, the reason for their betrayal is still uncertain.
storm jungle
and a special character to boot
we arent exactly said what all the men of iron looked like
restive turtle
Some think it was because they felt used, some think they got Chaos corrupted, some think they saw humanity was the fuel for Chaos and tried to kill it off.
ashen zenith
yea but i was expecting daot robots to be kinnda like, vanilla futuristic design with smooth curves and stuff
storm jungle
Considering hes undercover it kinda makes sense he'd look more gothic
ashen zenith
oh maybe thats why ye
plush mason
i wonder what the men of stone looked like
restive turtle
And men of Gold
storm jungle
The men of gold were either gene enhanced humans, or just a class of human that was of particular skill in inventing and science. Possibly they were just regular humanity before the widespread use of ai for scientific development, the 'gold' signifying that these humans had the drive and creativity to reach out into space.
They built the 'stone men' which are, most likely, machines built to assist humanity with its colonization of the stars. They were most likely a class of automaton built for labour, of which i presume the STC constructors were apart of.
The men of iron were the machines built by machines, built in the latter years when humanity was un involved in the creation and matainance of its technology. Specifically the men of iron included machines built for war.
AKA we really dont know enough to say aside from theories
restive turtle
But those were written by Goto iirc so I am not sure how legit they are
plush mason
i thought the men of stone where AI controled cyborgs
ashen zenith
But those were written by Goto iirc so I am not sure how legit they are
please dont tell me this is true
storm jungle
The Men of Stone were a class of artificially created beings created during the Dark Age of Technology in roughly M21.[1]
Nah
Goto wrote none of it
these 3 castes of Men get only mentioned in two or three articles in lore
One of them is by Andy chambers the others had LOTS of other writers, Goto was among them but the story he wrote in the antalogy was unrelated
restive turtle
Ah yes was sure it only showed me the name Goto last time I read the Lexi
storm jungle
Yeee
ashen zenith
i think they would look kinnda like warframes, perfectly optimized for battle and stuff, instead of being bulky boys
with less ass of course
storm jungle
Dark Age of Technology humanity pretty much looked like your cliche star-trek sci-fi civilization so probably yep
ashen zenith
and tbh the men of gold sound a lot like the orokin
normal humans but ascended by their knowledge of tech until they accidentally cause their own demise
placid plank
Just like to say this, but if I ever get my hands on a UR-025 model you can bet your ass that I’m painting it gunmetal gray, painting the eye slot yellow, giving him a cigar, and also cutting a rectangular hole on his bottom.
marsh grail
I just say something about the ordo hydra almost creating a 5th chaos god when they tried to enslave humanity. What would it have been the god of?
placid plank
Personal headcanon is that he’s the one who kicked off the whole MoI rebellion.
placid plank
I just say something about the ordo hydra almost creating a 5th chaos god when t...
The god of Sewer Goblins maybe?
ashen zenith
i really like this excerpt, think it would fit the feeling felt during the war against the men of iron:
"We sat strapped in, safeties off, waiting for the punch. Waiting for death. Through my filthy porthole I saw stars among the outlines of the other Splinter ships queuing for the Solar Rail. It would soon grip us with an incomprehensible power and cast us through the void into the mouth of our enemy.
I watched the ships one-by-one bending and gone. Each crammed with zero-tech soldiers sucking stale air, white knuckling their percussion rifles. Each filled with a desperation that comes from extinction. Our ship would be the last to cross the gap. Our ship had special cargo"
marsh grail
are ogryns dumber or as smart as warhammer fantasy ogres?
storm jungle
are ogryns dumber or as smart as warhammer fantasy ogres?
They basically got the brain of a kid
odd sparrow
ppl obvs meme a lot about how dumb ogryns are, esp GW lol, but yeah basically just picture them as having the brain of a 5 year old-ish
or maybe closer to a toddler
ogres are at least able to like. form a cohesive society with traditions and the means to survive in the not-himalayas
marsh grail
Ah so ogryns are the same?
final spruce
They are bit more primitive
marsh grail
If we go based on just the facts listed on the wiki and assume they are not exaggerated they can barely count to three or remember their name. Which that I’m having a hard time placing because even a dog which operates on 50% instincts and 30% training can remember it’s name.
We can also assume overtime the lizard portion of the brain got much bigger in an ogryn so they should be in a similar place to dogs
But since they can’t count I’d say four years old or less mentally
storm jungle
Yeeee like ratty said the wiki and the fandom in general make them sound like they cant do anything
again just think of them like kids with varying intelligence
rotund siren
but very good at being killy
coarse mirage
Ogres aren't stupid per say, they just don't bother with thinking too much.
Kinda like orcs
median sundial
Kinda like orcs
Enough to make them fight along the Greenskins just for the hell of it from time to time.
marsh grail
It’s possible they could be comparable to someone who’s autistic. Calling them dumb would be an overstatement it’s just they are hyper focused on fighting.
toxic marlin
It’s possible they could be comparable to someone who’s autistic. Calling them d...
Eh, problem with that, is that most people who are autistic aren't really dumb, just that they tend to focus on one thing and are really knowledgeable about it. And I don't remember reading or hearing about any ogryn like that.
rotund siren
Well, I certainly can't count past 3, what about you Ratty?
toxic marlin
But hey, if we want full lizard brain, the Scalies. Dang reptilian abhumans living in hive city sewers. (Pls lets not go down this road of arguments.)
rotund siren
ah, literally lizard brain
odd sparrow
yea i'm actually just a total moron in every way u know
basically a toddler mentally
rotund siren
mhmm
odd sparrow
the widespread use of autistic as an insult has had no ramifications on people's perception of the condition whatsoever :D
i wanna end a life
rotund siren
People sure are something
toxic marlin
I want to avoid arguments like this.. already had to deal with this enough back in highschool..
coarse mirage
Would say that the overuse of autistic as an insult is...retarded?
Thank you thank you
odd sparrow
normalised slurs™️
fallen dove
tbh my brother is mentally handicapped and the word retarded bothers him not
coarse mirage
It's less insulting than when people think I'm so kind of genius. "Oh wow you've got Asbergers wow you must be so talented and smart".
barren tapir
Ehy! No R word in this server!
barren tapir
It's less insulting than when people think I'm so kind of genius. "Oh wow you've...
For sure more smart than them that say asberger instead of asperger
coarse mirage
I never learned to spell it
rotund siren
Jared? 19?
coarse mirage
I'm multilingual. Don't hate.
rotund siren
words are dumb anyways
barren tapir
Never hate for multilingual oopsies... What language you have?
rotund siren
don't worry about it
coarse mirage
Swedish, English, learning Japanese (no I'm not watching anime to learn Japanese).
I understand German fairly well too.
Never had to use it though
barren tapir
Ah, yes, you are swedish like FS
coarse mirage
So when I speak the word, Asperger and Asberger sounds almost identical. That said, it's no longer called that.
They call it Autism Spectrum nowadays.
Since that's what it is.
crisp heath
It's less insulting than when people think I'm so kind of genius. "Oh wow you've...
uhm but i AM talented and smart. i also trip on the pavement and doing basic paperwork causes me panic, but that's beside the point.
barren tapir
Autism Spectrum is the wide... Spectrum... Asperger is still used as term, but it tend to indicate a specific part of the spectrum
coarse mirage
uhm but i AM talented and smart. i also trip on the pavement and doing basic pap...
It's all about normies trying to feel less awkward around people with any kind of diagnosis or disability.
rotund siren
I mean, I certainly consider myself to be at least a bit above the average, but I doubt that's thanks to the autism
coarse mirage
Just confidence then? :p
rotund siren
Any normies that do say that, though, are undoubtedly dumber than the person they are the person they're talking to
crisp heath
idk man but ppl assuming by default that autism is even a disability annoys me more
coarse mirage
It's very individual.
crisp heath
yeah
odd sparrow
autism is a stupid broad term
like, idk there's an argument it shouldn't rightfully even be a term. it's barely even descriptive lol
they're autistic tells me nothing
atomic pelican
It means you have strings I believe
crisp heath
it's just an umbrella term yeah
but that would require mental health & development to be better understood in general
peak hamlet
My brother is partially autistic and its realy just that hes not very good at interacting with people and forgets stuff slightly faster than average people but also thinks faster
crisp heath
i have asperger's, i know more about historical garb and armor than a person should need to
toxic marlin
Lots of random factoids and jargon in my head, along with a weird understanding of bureaucracy, though I blame my job for that last one.
wonder if we will ever see a return to the Koronus Expanse and the Calixis Sector in the lore.
marsh grail
Well I didn’t mean autistic in a bad way. It just to me seemed like a fitting comparison. Ogryns are not dumb their brain is just optimized for combat and survival and leaves little room for everything else. I personally have ADHD.
plucky moth
I wouldn't describe Ogryns as such tho
final spruce
I mean ogryns tend to be actually peaceful
Its just that they enjoy hiting stuff
But actually won't go around searching for a fight
marsh grail
The term gentle giant comes to mind.
copper heart
Ogryns look like they share around 3 collective braincells and no more
marsh grail
Hmm I wonder how ogryns would do in a gene stealer cult.
copper heart
Too dumb to join a cult
final spruce
Well the issue is that ogryns may actually be resilient to the genestealer's hypnose because of their small brain capacity + they are stronger than genestealer when it comes to raw strenght, making the genestealer kiss pretty hard to land
- Ogryns don't really have societies
Nothing for the GSC to infiltrate
marsh grail
But orks can become “infested?” By gene stealers so why not ogryns?
atomic pelican
It's not so much that ogryns can't be infested, but rather, what's the point
More risk for less reward
Aberrants already fill the niche ogryns would have
There probably are infected ogryns tho, just that they aren't like, a special target or smthing like that
copper heart
It's not so much that ogryns can't be infested, but rather, what's the point
What about in the earlier stages of a GSC? Then again im no expert on genestealers
atomic pelican
Early stages of a GSC are centered mostly around quiet infiltration, not big fighty ops
So ogryns even have less place there
+In the early stages you have the original purestrains still around, which can peel terminators like a can, so you're covered for melee-brutey types
The Massive revolutions you see in GSC stuff come after like, decades, centuries, long ass times of planning and setting up in the planet
It'd be funny to see like, a infected Commissar just tricking his pre-infection ogryns into the service of the cult
Oh I bet you could actually do that on tabletop too I think, if I remember how the Brood Brothers rule works right
vagrant osprey
In the early stages you usually have ONE purestrain
atomic pelican
Nah, you can have multiple. It's just that one becomes the patriarch
vagrant osprey
The Patriarch tends to eat the others.
atomic pelican
The eldest most often iirc
Oh sorry it's actually the first one who infects a lifeform
final spruce
Also I never said ogryns were immune
vagrant osprey
Sometimes you don't even have a purestrain at the start; you have a carrier
final spruce
I just said maybe because they are so small brained they may not get the mindcontrol hypnosis genestealers have
atomic pelican
Yee that's possible Zher, tho remember that not every cultist is inherently controlled directly
Hell there are non-nid DNA cultists who just got convinced of joining via other means
final spruce
Plus I have a big argument there
atomic pelican
So ogryns just being like, lied to/manipulated into one is very possible
final spruce
Ogryns live on primitive worlds
Food and water is scarce
they have to fight everyday for survival
vagrant osprey
It's easiest to just have a genestealer kiss one and use psychic orders from then on.
atomic pelican
Oggy the Ogryn but his Commissar now has a forehead crest
vagrant osprey
High gravity worlds, heretech research trying to create knock-off Astartes...
Ogryns are basically everywhere
Basically anywhere you have a lot of mutagenic sources and/or unethical experimentation
Personally, I always just assumed they were a very human-like xeno species.
final spruce
While some ogryns are vat grown, you cannot just make them like that
You don't find them on every planet you go
storm jungle
Im late but just compare them to kids like i do
Kids are stupid in an understandable way
theres nothing really saying an ogryn cant further learn
at least as far as i know
atomic pelican
I accept the headcanon that genestealer cults will never harm a ogryn, being as innocent as they are, and will go out of their way to just allow them to help protect the four armed emperor
Who can offer more hugs.
vagrant osprey
Oh, they'll harm ogryn.
storm jungle
Genestealers have their own weird ogryn equilavents too
atomic pelican
FHDFDNH
final spruce
Aberrants vs Ogryns
atomic pelican
Except the most good ones
final spruce
atomic pelican
The majority of aberrants stay in the lab as testing lads or dig
The rest go and fight
AND YES
Diggy diggy hole aberrant
final spruce
Two big boys
vagrant osprey
IIRC, Ogryns top out at below average intelligence, and there's a different classification for Ogryn-like humans that have average intelligence or above.
Can't remember it though
odd sparrow
mood
head empty no thought
for as much as i do mantain that the monty python intermission music is the one true head empty soundtrack
final spruce
The most copyrighted video in the world
atomic pelican
Everyday I discover new lore that make sme lose my mind laughing
Today it is: The Pauper Princes having a intense hatred for ratlings and going out of their way to tear them apart when spotted in IG regiments
final spruce
Ah yes, their greatest Magus decided to do the "Get down president" to tank the shot of a ratling sniper aimed at the patriarch, correct ?
atomic pelican
YEP
And now they hate ratlings forever
Hundreds of them tore the little assassin guy apart
poor lad
final spruce
If he died he was a good enough ratling anyway
Those guys have a self preservation sense that's really good
storm jungle
one ratling in Cadia Stands jumps off a building to suicide when a chaos sorceror gets to his position and tries to kill him
||he notices he hasnt met the ground yet and the sorceror actually teleported him back to kill him lol||
atomic pelican
final spruce
Amazing
cloud kindle
Pure spite that move lol
final spruce
Very Tzeentchy
coarse mirage
Do something just to be a dick, pure Tzeentch
cerulean wagon
||he notices he hasnt met the ground yet and the sorceror actually teleported hi...
na it was worse then that, ||the CM caught him before he hit the bottom by the scruff of his neck after a 7 story fall and it somehow didnt break his neck despite being in power armour combined with that fall speed||
storm jungle
final spruce
storm jungle
and then people try and tell me fall of cadia was a good send off
Wait
i need an explanation
was it crap?
🍿
cerulean wagon
i read the first.... 150 pages? before giving up on it
its very self masturbatory
Its very "look how big and bad these SM are, and how they kill all these people with no effort"
theres like, no valiant defence lasting ages with resistance on the streets
its just immediate fall to guerrilla warfare
like wtf, this is cadia, a fortress world
storm jungle
YEAH
like dude
it literally says
even the goddamn kitchen and restaurants are concrete and made to be bunkers if an invasion happens
cerulean wagon
ye no ignore that
lets follow this plucky group of rebels for a chapter, as they valiantly try to conduct ambushes in empty towns
storm jungle
thats why I like Cadia Stands more stil
its a lot more chaotic in a sense
also lots of great Creed moments and showing him be a relatable chad
coarse mirage
What happens if we put Creed and Yarrick on the same planet?
marsh grail
IIRC, Ogryns top out at below average intelligence, and there's a different clas...
Ok let’s get back to basics. How does the actual tabletop game handle ogryn intelligence? How is it different for a guardsmen and what is a unit in any faction that is one step dumber than an ogryn and how is that represented?
final spruce
By Ogryns not being able to receive orders
marsh grail
Oh that’s not that bad it just means they are disorganized, impulsive and have bad memory. They could actually be decently intelligent and still be all of the above. I guess GW really does just meme them.
How are bone heads represented?
final spruce
Like all sergeants, an additional attack + 1 more leadership
open marsh
Oh that’s not that bad it just means they are disorganized, impulsive and have b...
In lore, a Ogryn is considered a genius and got a commendation medal for simply knowing that his job was to do as he was told
marsh grail
Yes I read about him
So I suppose most of them fall under the meme that I don’t know who I am or why I’m here all I know is that I must kill.
open marsh
Tho some ogryns show surprising problem solving kills
Like once, a commissar was wounded and told an Ogryn to go across the street to a disabled chimera apc to get a medkit. The ogryn didnt wanna go in it (because ogryns hate confined spaces).
So instead he dragged the chimera back across the street to the commissar so he could crawl in there and get the medkit instead
final spruce
Dragging chimera is something ogryns are known for
Like Dedog dragging one alongside an entire battlefield because it was out I believe, with the officers inside
open marsh
Like I said, they have surprisingly good problem solving skills
marsh grail
Tho some ogryns show surprising problem solving kills
Pun intended?
open marsh
no.. but Im not editing it
marsh grail
But yeah this is some serious why think outside the box when you can just pick it up and carry it?
Further proof that ogryns are the best.
If only we could just get rid of the smell.
open marsh
to be fair, that is thinking outside the box. for a normal person
toxic marlin
and you have the bodyguards, they understand protect with life quite well.
open marsh
The chimera is disabled. Most people would think to call in reinforcement for another chimera or try to get it running, etc.
Ogryn: just drag the thing
marsh grail
Why think with your head when you can think with your muscles.
final spruce
I mean to you i'd be like taking a big box
marsh grail
and you have the bodyguards, they understand protect with life quite well.
The feeling when you protect with your life but you can’t die.
final spruce
It doesn't inconvenience you as much so you do it
Because it seems like the easier solution you got
toxic marlin
The feeling when you protect with your life but you can’t die.
Find it to be even more so true with the Chaos Ogryn of the Servants of the Abyss, giant metal symbol spiked through ya that just keeps ya going.
vagrant osprey
The tabletop's not the lore, though.
Unless Bolters really ARE limited to, like, 50 meters :V
final spruce
TT isn't crunchy like it used to
toxic marlin
I know, just referencing that as I don't remember the exact lore of the chaos ogryn, apart from that the chaos sigil it has sticking out of it's torso apparently keeps it alive through things normal ogryn can't handle.
vagrant osprey
Wait, nope, just did the math. A bolter's range tops out at 24", which at 28mm scale would be 36.576 meters.
final spruce
Chaos Ogryns are usually ogryns in traitor regiments that get pumped with combat drugs or are puppeteered into being berserk beasts
toxic marlin
The old ones from Renegades and Heretics yes
the one from the Grendish 82nd and Servants of the Abyss is quite a bit different.
vagrant osprey
Anyway, point is that the tabletop is lore noncompliant :V
atomic pelican
lore is hardly compliant with itself
open marsh
Question: where does the idea that Terminators cant run come from?
marsh grail
Wait, nope, just did the math. A bolter's range tops out at 24", which at 28mm s...
Oof. That’s the same range of a shotgun.
vagrant osprey
The lore is contradictory, but ALL the lore agrees the tabletop is a non-compliant abstraction.
marsh grail
Question: where does the idea that Terminators cant run come from?
The assumption that armor automatically makes you slow
vagrant osprey
Which is silly, since powered exoskeletons can help you run faster.
Also, Terminators can run just fine. They just have problems turning.
Which makes sense, because they're the power-loader from aliens
They're construction exoskeletons.
open marsh
Like I do know that termie armour is slower than Power Armour. it was a weakness they discovered in testing (a normal marine could run circles around a termie). And its reflected in the rules with a 5" movement instyead of 6", but even in the rules, termies can still CHARGE
But I dont gets where the "termies cant run" comes from. Running slower =/= cant run at all
vagrant osprey
Terminator armor dates back to the DAoT. It's a hazardous environment suit.
open marsh
Terminator armor dates back to the DAoT. It's a hazardous environment suit.
Valve theme plays
"Welcome to the H.E.V., Mark IV, protective system. For use in hazardous environment conditions."
vagrant osprey
I guess it's because the old lore was cribbing more notes from the original inspiration, where terminator armor was, again, the powerloader from Aliens
But in "We heard you like power armor, so we put power armor on your power armor" meme format
marsh grail
Get the power crowbar.
open marsh
Get the power crowbar.
Ferrus Manus had a Power Pipe Wrench
marsh grail
It’s all gurren lagaans fault.
open marsh
So we have Opposing Forces' Shepard atleast
open marsh
I guess it's because the old lore was cribbing more notes from the original insp...
Even in old lore, I havent seen anything that says Terminators cant run
vagrant osprey
I don't recall the original Space Hulk game having a run option.
atomic pelican
I dont think I've seen anyone say terms couldnt run
vagrant osprey
Like, the boardgame from the 80s
marsh grail
Then blame space hulk death wing.
open marsh
I dont think I've seen anyone say terms couldnt run
Arch and Leutin09 mentioned it in their vidoes on termie armour
vagrant osprey
Wait, no, maybe people were saying it because they played Space Hu- Yeah, that.
open marsh
kek
vagrant osprey
Arch is literally the worst.
atomic pelican
esp arch
open marsh
Oh that's ur issue
It was also when Space Hulk: Deathwing was released, the forums and discord were raging that termies could run
marsh grail
I literally got so frustrated with space hulk death wing I just uninstalled it on like the third mission.
vagrant osprey
Luetin isn't literal garbage that is also on fire, but his lore videos leave a lot to be desired.
limpid hedge
I could be wrong though
open marsh
I literally got so frustrated with space hulk death wing I just uninstalled it o...
...why?
atomic pelican
It's fun with friends, like many things
marsh grail
 it wasn’t fun?
open marsh
It's fun with friends, like many things
Ah. Explains why some people dont have fun with it
marsh grail
Oh well I was doing the campaign
atomic pelican
😩
vagrant osprey
Space Hulk Deathwing isn't fun, even with friends
open marsh
vagrant osprey
I have played some terrible games, and Deathwing was just boring
atomic pelican
Idk It's fun to scream "BROTHER OPEN THIS DOOR" and variants with goobers
marsh grail
It’s like playing snipper clips with someone that just wants to cut you to death.
marsh grail
I have played some terrible games, and Deathwing was just *boring*
That too
open marsh
Idk It's fun to scream "BROTHER OPEN THIS DOOR" and variants with goobers
The most annoying thing is with Brother Dipshit breaks down the door that you just locked to prevent the xenos from attacking your back
atomic pelican
YEAH
vagrant osprey
I was also annoyed that the genestealer cultists took 5 headshots from a heavy bolter to die. Everything is EXTREME bulletsponge in it.
atomic pelican
My friends have like terminal "forget to close/lock door" disease in like
every game
So It's esp bad
open marsh
I was also annoyed that the genestealer cultists took 5 headshots from a heavy b...
Gameplay balance. If it was balanced like it in the board game, then you;d go down in 1 hit no matter what
vagrant osprey
Blessed paperceramite is useless against them, and you're not allowed to pick up a door and use them as a shield.
You basically do.
open marsh
You basically do.
Yeah if you play on the hardest difficulty and dont take the perks that up your health, armour, and remove crit damage
vagrant osprey
You don't have perks when you start.
open marsh
Also rock out without an apoth and chaplin on your team. Or if you did, you didnt prioritize protecting them
atomic pelican
The funniest part is that purestrains on TT are literally awful ran with GSC
But in DW theyre turbo deadly
Which is lore accurate but
Funny
open marsh
You don't have perks when you start.
So you just jumped into the hardest difficulty, without any perks or upgrades, and you blamed the game
vagrant osprey
I wasn't playing on the hardest difficulty
I was expecting a tactical game. Instead I got endless hordes
Progress was slow, because I needed to grind down the flood of sponges before moving on.
open marsh
I was expecting a tactical game. Instead I got endless hordes
So you hate it because its not the game you built up in your head?
If you want a "tactical" game like that, play Space Hulk Tactics
vagrant osprey
I hate it because dumping an entire stormbolter mag into genestealer 1 of 50 and waiting for a break in the storm before walking 10 more feet isn't fun.
atomic pelican
They should make a reverse space hulk game
vagrant osprey
It was a farming simulator.
atomic pelican
Tactical ambush setting
distant harness
There are games like that but they don't really work great in first person imo
vagrant osprey
Isn't that just Arkham Asylum?
open marsh
They should make a reverse space hulk game
Well in Space Hulk tactics, you can play as the genestealers
open marsh
It came out in 2018
vagrant osprey
At least we can all agree that Inquisitor is terrible in basically every way, right? :V