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question is, killing youself would empower which chaos god?
depends how you die
ah i see so if it's in the battlefield it all goes to khorne
uhhh
and if you get sucked by a wormhole is tzeentch
depends again
most battlefields yes
buuut if another god has claimed domain over that area
then they have rights to your soul
i.e. if you die to deathguard
i was more like thinking in the domain of taking your own life in order to not empower the other chaos gods through your actions
Chaos undivided/Chaos
Not all souls go to a Chaos God/God but some just go to the warp where they either get eaten by some demon when found or mutate and become Warp creature
chaos god of scab
Yeeee its a matter of "who gets who first"
meanwhile Imperials basically see Warp as Hell
and Big E's domain as heaven
everytime you peel, it grows strong
Less as Hell and more as Tartarus, they are part of the same plane but there are good and bad places
ngl literally anything is probably pretty similar to heaven compared to the warp
^
Its their belief that makes it look like its their version of Hell
so beats me
miss me with that "ripped apart by furies or eternally tormented" shit
Mutate me into a fluffy furry girl with thigh gap
reminds me of AVGN's episode on super pitfall
LOL
oh my god thats exactly what it is
that actually happens LITERALLY in the lore too
But who is the best servant of the Emp and why is it Saint Sabat
Weird way to spell Celestine
So the upper area of thighs doesn't be chafed
if saint sabat is so great why are they dead?
jurgen is one of the few reasons Ciaphas Cain is still alive
that and his chainsword
The question is: Closer to wolf? or Feline? or Lizard?
๐
Dumb space wolves player
๐บ ๐ฑ ๐ฆ
'ight, might mix 'em all somehow
OK, yer gonna walk in, a squid will scream at ye, IF YOU GET A BONER, we're killin ye.
Mazy is toad but not Todd Howard
but it JUST WORKS
Skyrim is still being re-released in 40k
Yes, in a Khorne way
Yes
Accurate
I stole that sob emote, how does that make you feel
but instead of vaults the nukes start right away


the worst part of skyrim re-releases is no enderal re-release
Enderal better than Skyrim.
100% true
And still no improvement on animations, bugs, etc. and most importantly, the engine is same.
Bit of a shame some parts are unfinished but it's crazy good
but painful to play for some people because not on SE
I never finish Enderal, but gooooooood i love this game
Its like
Morrowind
In better
For me
I've finished it, been holding off finishing second run with the secret end though
because I am a completionist
And ?
also the steam library is so vast
Wish Microsoft improve and fix the Bethesda
I Wish too
honestly I've put so many hours into their games that it feels weird to be super harsh on them for me
like they're crazy flawed, but can't really be too negative when I've probably put 1k hours in skyrim alone, counting mods
I just want Daggerfall and Arena with new textures....
Morrowind too....
And
Redguard !
PLEASE
Their games are like a rimbo
Who remember about Redguard
you could try daggerfall unity in the mean time
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaagh !
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BGM : Dawn of War III - WAAAGH Tower theme
i think this one is already in 40k memes
Nids vs Orks is bad for everybody else.
Consider the danger of Nids with the WAAAGH
Or Orks wielding weapons made of nidstuff
It's that the ork are a renewable source of biomass that may swell the Tyranid swarm massively
@dull flame That guy at the bottom left going "You're probably wondering how I got into this mess"
Orks also get bigger the more they fight. So if the Orks win they're gonna be hyoog
Whoever wins, the Imperium loses.
Yeah
Either got jacked up orks or super fed tyranids
With lots of Ork DNA to play with
That guy in the bottom left was isekai'd into the 40k universe
I remember reading about the nids having a "secret project" on some planet
Where they were building a massive structure for some reason
Luring biomass to that system, rather than roaming and hunting.
But it didn't specify what that thing might be
Hive Fleet Clever Girl
That one hive fleet that prefers daemons and Chaos as targets is also interesting
Instead of eating the planets they set up shop on them and are building something fun.
Hive fleet kronos
Then there's Hive Fleet Hydra that's going around eating other tyranid fleets
I think part of the Tyranids big weakness is how predictable they can be. Their approach isn't sneaky.
confused Lictor noises
So sneaky that people forget about them
Do any of you have any Tau book recommendations?
listening to War of Secrets
I wonder if the Ethereals might end up being tossed out
nah. but gamewise thats the point of the Farsight Enclaves
in this Secret War book there's some dissidents
and in another book, Shadowbreaker, they are specifically kidnapping Tau with a "rebellious gene" for reasons.
aka Tau that don't respond well or at all to the Ethereal manipulation
I doubt they'd remove them all, but could be interesting if some dissidents leave the main branch of tau and bring that wormhole (or whatever it's called) tech to the Farsight enclaves. Farsight enclaves would fit really well as a small faction to get some special written rule focus, without needing new models for 99% of the force
Because in Secret War, that whole wormhole deal is described as being the fault of the Ethereals that pushed for it without consideration
There are mentions in the codex of Tau turning rebel. Usually just means they flee to the Farsight Enclaves
Listening to a Tau warsuit soloing Dark Angels
in an XV95 Ghostkeel
correction, Angels of Absolution
Its because its Shash'O Kais.
The literally biggest solo badass the Tau have, period.
Just remembered how cool some suits are
How I would love another game like Dawn of War with all the different races
it is a shame that they messed up DoW3 so badly. There was so much potential, with how many new/updated factions and models there are
esp since they were including lords of war
i wanna use my stormsurges to nuke space fascists ;-;
They took what could've been! Stolen, from right under our noses!
space facists? Are you sure you're in the right Discord?
You saying the Imperium aren't space fascists?
the main thing the imperium is incoherent
however you'd be blind to not identify the various tropes they pull from imperial powers and fascistic elements
the political system of the imperium is theocratic military shitstorm
^
I see a lot of real world parallels in it
Again, as we all know.
"The most bloody regime imaginable."
at least they support equality tho lol
lol
which is hilarious and great
Everyone is equally worthy to die
important to note: fascism is less about the structuring of a system per se and more that it's all an avenue for power
What non-democratic political system isn't?
Well even democracy turns out to be like that...
communism and democracy, in theory, are not that
you can die on the front whether you're 6 or 60, male, female, straight, gay, ugly, hot, or anything. lasguns are one size fits all.
fascism, in theory, is that
Just dont call the tau communist please at least, its like one of the worst memes in the fandom along with the fish thing.

Yeah Tau are something else
tau are not communist they literally have a caste system they bred themselves into lol
That whole getting together and being friends is more of a parody of communism
Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's all kinds of things
they do have some aspects of cold war era USSR, i think, however their establishment is definitely not it
tbh im pretty sure their "lol communist" thing comes from people thinking
"Hmm, Tau look eastern, China is in the east, China is communist. So must be the Tau owo"
Elements of many things
the whole let's hold hands, paint shit in nice colors and spread our nice atheistic ideology of a greater good
and blocky but not fash-military-blocky school of brutalist design
Tau themselves are practically a theocracy, but believing in the Greater Good instead of a proper god
I just htink people look a bit too hard at it.
Commie hooves tho 
NO
Clippety cloppety your planet is now Greater Good property
-loads bolter with xenocidal intent-
lmao
but yeah 40k just mish mashes a bunch of shit together and grimdarkens it all to hell
But people like their labels.
it can be interesting to read into it tho
mind you it's the equivalent of us debating why the curtain was blue in a story and what it represents when the author meanwhile was like "curtain blue, yes"
The Space Wolves wolfishly wolfed their way into the den of the enemy to eat them like wolves
Us: fellas what political system does the imperium have?
GW: SPACE MARINES PRIMARIS PRAIMARIS ASODSDAGJNOIGNEAIKRHGNEIK
WOW THIS AUTHOR IS FURRY
okay but what if i have extensive reasoning for the color schemes of my designs
then it'll show in your stories ๐
Tbh thats not that true
Most accurate response by GW to any question right now
people hate the wolf thing because of the stupid overuse of the word lol
but nah you see its "FENRISIAN SOUNDS WEIRD IN GOTHIC OK"
always beware the people who wear black in historical fiction and shit, they are either religious or rich or both
It was a joke
wow. what about purple
very rich, royal
possibly freaky
purple are deviants
purple? well if you can see 'em then they ain't an ork
Slaanesh is purple
true
i use a lot of black, white and red but beware austere black white combinations
royalty especially are a freakshow
Nah, incest is wincest in the court of the king
We sure like to go from one subject to another :p
Dontcha know that?
We just express whatever comes to mind. We're a very openminded discord
The Egyptians would know about this
yeah
Not all Royalty have an history of Incest
Not all but its been a recurrent problem throughout the History even so far as the 17th century
Legionnaire: man can't wait to serve my country, win glory, get rich and establish myself as a legend and hero for my- oh fuck Caligula is the emperor
I mean, at one point, every royal in Europe was related to one another
that's how I'd like to keep it if I can :^)
That point is more akin to nobles marrying between their social class
I mean, people once thought marrying your cousin was good, so
It should be able to stay this way as long as there isn't too much people joining
I could talk more about marrying your cousins but I think it'd get a bit too spicy.
ww1 was basically a massive quarrel between cousins
What are you, an Alabaman?
Oh I didn't mean spicy as in sexy, but as in too charged.
As someone who is from a country with nobility, American Christmas Film about the love btw a Prince an a commoner are so dumb
It's about the taboo
Doing the impossible, breakin the social barriers, doing the no-no
Funny enough that would be an amazing way to keep the people compliant and bring new blood into noble families
Unless it leads to civil unrest and nobility issues, which is what would realistically happen
What Taboo ? I've met the current head of state of my country
they are. the highest level of like... opportunity you can get there is an affair between a royal and low nobility or some townsfolk eg actress/actor, musician etc. the difference in experience is just too vast and royal marriages were premeditated and arranged
breaking the barriers by marrying a sugar mommy CEO
The taboo of nobility marrying a commoner, which in ye olden days was not alright.
That's one way of doing it
Dude I'd be a house husband any time.
I guess that is one way to eat the rich
Affairs were common but marriage ? Inconceivable
affairs were inevitable when your marriage was based on land gains
She's got... HUGE tracks of land!
lmao
marriage was just another form of a political treaty
But faaather
nice reference
I'm full of them!
and on the occasion that a marriage was made with some other sentiments in mind as well the consequences were not always happy
Looking at you Henry
Haha
magical
Speaking of kings, tomorrow is perhaps an announcement from CA on what's next
eg elizabeth of austria was not meant to become empress - her older sister was - but franz joseph fell in love with her, accordingly, and was just like. no i'm marrying this one. and he did but she didn't have the education in duties and decorum so the court did not like her and she did a lot of her own shit contrary to her mother in law etc. travelling and shit.
This last video showed what's without a doubt a Kislev reference
Good for her
Fantasy Russians on bears!
I think
Yeah, i shared the video on offtopic
not really good for her
gonna start calling myself Lachlan of Australia to get into fancy parties
she did it because she was unhappy as empress
ah, I see
I want to be hype, but I also don't want to hear "Epic exclussive" after I'm all hyped up.
hopefully won't be the case
that would be sad
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The history and origins of the Imperial Guard regiments. Covering the Tallarn Desert Raiders, Mordian Iron Guard, Catachan Jungle Fighters, Attilan Rough Riders and the Valhallan Ice Warriors.
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Sssshhhh....dont tell anyone that other regiments with unique look exists. GW just wants there to be only Cadians and knock off Cadians
;-;

oh and Catachan too
He's a great channel for lore
but other than that, just ignore therest
The video is 45 minutes
Notable regiments.
No Krieg
Krieg meme are starting to feel really stale
what's sad about Cadians being the only ones that get attention is that like
Cadians are actually fucking awesome and seeing them be done to death is sad
true
I have a comic where there's Cadians and those Tsarist Russian ones are fighting Tau
That's the thing though. Krieg aren't memes. They're one of the best regiments around and GW needs to give them more respect!
it's like the Krieg memes, awesome regiment but they got completely rekt by memes and lore dumbing them down to meme status
they are not
the best regiment are not one that basically just throw mens at problems
There's a regiment that doesnt?
regiments used to actually have tactics 
Krieg have men in abundant supply. Why not throw men at the problem?
part of the Krieg quirk is that they have no personal identity and are fine with just dying
About to get vaporized by that necron? Toss your plasma gun so someone else can pick it up and use it. That's the Krieg way
That's why they are a meme.
aka an extremely short summary
All sense and reason is gone just for the joke that they don't care. Instead of making them grim and fatalistic as they should be.
Considering a plasma gun is probably their best chance at killing a necron over a lasgun I'd say it makes sense that the dude about to be atomized should toss it. Why let it get vaporized along with you? :3
Hurdur imma die for da emprah
they should be grim trench warfare experts, not like...elite cannon fodder
that sucks
that super sucks
like, they literally are equipped with weapons made in a planet with a fake sun in its core!
they are made in vast numbers in technoheretical vitawombs and fight to right ancient wrongs!
If Krieg are good at one thing it's building trenches and shelling a hive til there's no life signs left. Then shelling it some more.
Do they get their weapon from Forge World Lathe ?
there's a difference between noble/strategic sacrifice and just total reckless abandon bordering on depressingly stupid
Lucius has a fake sun ? Didn't know that
exactly
in its core. the techpriests there use it to make stuff
at least, I think so. am I having the name wrong?
"The Hive World of Derondis withheld its annual tithes and regiments of Krieg's Death Korps were deployed to act as the honour guard of the Departmento Munitorum investigation team. After the Imperial officials were hanged by the rebellious populace, the Krieg troops redeployed into the towering mountains that overlooked the primary hive city. Several artillery and siege companies began to bombard the city spires and the inhabitants were mercilessly gunned down as they tried to break out from the besieged city. After ten standard years of relentless shelling, the hive was reduced to naught but rubble and dust, two solar years after all signs of life from the hive had already ceased and five solar years after the hive had plaintively issued its unconditional surrender."
There are some pretty neat planets
I like the one in Tau space that's just an orb of water
like when you look at WW1, you have the battles where men are just straight thrown away in absolutely stunning levels of stupidity from commanders
then you have the battles where heroic soldiers against all odds, sacrifice everything to hold the line or save their fellow soldiers
Krieg should be the latter
but I guess it's more grimdark to be the former
Oh god i forgot that stupid event
what a waste of artillery like jesus christ
its not even logical as "sending a message" in the galaxy of all places, nobody is gonna hear about it
Points to the Siege of Vraks and the Battle of Fort A-453
So?
it's cartoonish at this point
Those are even worse examples
lmao
Those are the ones where Krieg literally got memed to death and the stupidity around them began to take hold
Vrak could have been returned to the Imperium
I love that 4 day long bombardment on Vraks. Firing all, what...70,000 artillery cannons. Constantly?
To the point that the barrels broke iirc
They planned for that and had spare barrels. It was the only time a cannon would be allowed to not be firing, when the barrels were being swapped
haha, shelling! so funny haha!
Don't call me Shelley
MUH WW1
Vraks was useless by the end of the conflict. There was too much chaos taint and all the ammo on the planet was used up
surely you can't be serious
I never got that point
Yes but no
theres literally worlds with better production value than that piece of mud
What's your vector Victor?
Well the planet was useless. But the war was not. Imagine if the enemies of man had been able to just raid those armories and take the weapons across the galaxy
Vrak was useful for it's Orbital Cannon, not for the ammo lying on the ground
Oh I know. The war was intended to keep the heretics from having all that ammo. But once the war was over the traitors used up all the ammo in defending it so they had no use for the world anymore. Besides the Krieg engineers leveled the citadel they fought so hard to take anyway. ๐
that is... pretty stupid
Thats par for the course for the Imperium, and the Death Korps
I'd say it's not stupid considering all the unexploded munitions left behind as well. Don't forget Nurgle warbands were there and they used all kinds of nasty chemical weapons.
TP3
Also taken from Vraks armories
I think the only weapons that made it off world were some Valdor Tank Hunters. That the Steel Brethren took as payment for getting the rest of Vrak's VTH's up and running
I mean the whole "The heretics used up all of the ammunition" bit
That's real dumb, because if the war was supposed to get the ammo, then technically the Krieg failed, and if the war was to stop the heretics, then they definitely could've done it far faster than how they did do it
so either way, it was basically a waste of time and life, and utterly grimderp nonsense

The best part is
the administratum even considered the entire thing a lost cause lmao
and just ordered them to pull out
Naturally that got the reaction of "WE CANT LET THE HERETICS WIN REEEE"
There was no way to do it faster. The only real objective was the citadel and to get to it they had to go through 3 lines of heavily fortified positions.
And that was before the Chaos Space Marines showed up
But if the planet ended up being useless without the ammo... then why not just attack them from above, or use actual tactics like stealth or something?
call in the navy or whoever
It seems that many people think that the death korps are an old regiment... They aren't an old regiment, they are among the most recent established regiments in timeline of the setting
Void shields. Can't bomb it from space.
how convenient
Well it was an imperial armoury world until the guy in charge of it went traitor. Naturally it'd have defenses from being bombed from orbit
void shield are not 100% fiable and can still get shredded
Void shields can be overloaded, just keep firing
"By the time word reached the Imperium of the rebellion on Vraks, it was already too late. Millions of Traitors and Heretics were now dug into meticulously planned, constructed, and reinforced defences, with massive orbital lasers protecting the world's Citadel from orbital bombardment and assault. It fell on the Imperial Guardsmen of the Death Korps of Krieg, united under the umbrella of the Imperium's 88th Siege Army, to dislodge the traitorous forces of Cardinal Xaphan in what would become a grinding war of attrition that would consume millions of lives across 17 standard years of battle."
I forgot about the orbital lasers. :3
how'd they get on the planet then?
other side of the planet
Krieg? They landed on the far side
And built rail all the way to the outskirts of the citadel
only a handful of Hive
Thanks for speaking my mind
the entire reason this attack fails is because "this book/plot needs to exist."
who wrote the siege of Vrak ?
Imperial Armour. It's a Forge World thing
We could say that for every battle in 40k though
Pretty much but Vraks is just... weird
some make sense, like Cadia
half of the "tactics" in it feel dull in general and could be written better
There actually is a lore reason why most of their tactics sucks in that battle
For a good while it was the planetary governor I believe on one of the nearby planets directing them who was super incompetent, I think after him they got some other incompetent leaders as well. Some of the Kriegers did show good strategic planning when they were allowed to.
Lord Commander Zuehlke
They also had to rush cause the Administratum was giving them a time limit before they pulled away all the supplies and resources needed.
Which they had to keep extending cause shit kept going wrong for the attackers. ๐
The Alpha Legion helped with that
What did they do this time
Showed up to the space port and caused all kinds of issues so the Dark Angels had to come and give 'em a slapping around
Every time resources were about to be pulled from Vraks, enough that the Imperium would abandoned the planet, they started doing shit to get the Imperium interested again
Wait, intentionally?
Not explicitly stated...but implied when you look at the wider picture of the siege
Typical closet loyalists. Wanted to make sure the planet was taken back for the emperor
Classic Alpha Legion, you will never understand if they are helping or damaging the imperium
I am not sure they themselves know
too many levels of ironic hereticism
What really sold it for me, is on the back half of the siege, the Alpha Legion told some Chaos Marines (who wouldnt be very good at defending the planet) where the Vraks leadership was
Basically making sure that the entire defense of Vraks finally collapsed
Maybe they were taking bets on whom they could ruin it the most for
Maybe they just really hate Iron Warriors
What those CSM did with the info about the vrask leadership?
The Iron Warriors didnt have much part in the siege. They just fixed some tanks. Got beaten at their own game by the Death Korps, then ran away
the iron warriors didn't get along too well with anyone did they?
Right when Abaddon is about to win. The Alpha Legion are gonna turn on them and reveal they were loyal the whole time. Just had to pretend to be traitors to set up the long con.
They went and killed the ledership and turned the Cardanal into a Chaos Spawn for the lulz)
Lulz
lmao
And those were the guys who had maintained the siege for 17 years.
oh
Good ol Alpha Legion
ooooh
Who had twice almost beaten the Imperium's forces off the planet
lmao
Alpha Legion be trolling
And the Alpha Legion finally found a way to kill them off without looking like they are the ones who did it
was vrak a heretical planet?
First were just renegade, then went full chaos
Pretty much
Cause they're Chaos Space Marines. They don't need to take orders from anyone. Especially rando mortals. ๐
Chaos itself is randumb. ๐
You can either ascend to daemon prince or be turned into a chaos spawn. Chaos does what it wants.
Also that leadership make look bad the CSM, how a mere mortal can do what CSM cannot manage to do?
I mean, 17 years...
Good ol Vraks though. Wholesale slaughter. 17 years of death in bulk.
i can imagine some CSM being arrogant and just pissy
And they were simple humans who knew their planets
Soon it shall be the darktide hive
Yes. I await the day I can go purge some heretics in the hive.
I love vraks
The tactics were a little retarded tho
And if they would have just exterminatus the planet right away they wouldn have lost 17 years plus a lot of guardsmen
Where is this art coming from?
I've had it saved for a while. ๐
https://www.deviantart.com/vookasheen It'd be from this artist though
The problem with the Alpha Legion is that they know that if the galaxy ever became peaceful then GW would kill it off and it would be the end of everything.
That's pretty chaotic loyalism.
A note on the Alpha Legion: you cant consider them 1 force. Some are loyal, some are not
even the alpha legion doesn't know what the deal with the alpha legion is
they call themselves legion probably precisely because they don't work as one
The call themselves "cells" and "harrows"
bonk
alpha legion has honestly gone a bit too far with it imo
like mystery is cool but when there's a faction that all you can say about them is "they're sneaky and sometimes do stuff for some reason" I dunno how much you can care about them lol
It's like trying to write Cthulhu and the old gods. Their ways are unfathomable, extra dimensional, impossible to understand.
Inhuman
Wait until you go and read the plot summary of the new Alpharius novel lol
It does nothing but confirm like all the memes people have been making around them
I'm curious about the new Nurgle novel
heard it's pretty sick

of course it does
Tbh if you are morbidly curious just google anything about "Alpharius Head of the Hydra spoilers"
Stuff like how... ahem, ||ALPHARIUS WAS THE FIRST FOUND PRIMARCH BECAUSE IDK||
god what a bizarre twist that is
same with only a few people knowing, including valdor for some reason?
Definitely just gonna avoid reading it and steal opinions from the 40klore sub instead
TBH, Alpharius and Omegon are probably both still alive.
Which would be a hell of a twist, if it wasn't for the fact that nobody takes things at face value when it comes to the Alpha legion.
Alpharius is dead, Omegon even commented on it
Yeah. Alpharius is dead. Dead dead. Confirmed in universe and out
Blue Primarch (who killed Omegon) did say it didn't feel like killing one of his brother (meaning Omegon may be alive)
Or is he? dun dun dUuuuun
Also "twist"
Calling it now
a hydra has 3 heads
they're gonna reveal some stupid plot twist
of a 3rd brother
wiw
Malcador is the third
wow
metal gear style lol
Metal Gear ?!
Psycho mantis?
LIQUID
SNAKE!
suh-naaaaaaaaaaake!
Brotherrrrr
I'd believe Alpharius died if he wasn't confirmed to have died like 7 different times
Although maybe he did die.
It's possible he just slots himself into a new Alpha Legionnaire every time, like a working version of the black rage
or horcrux
The term is "phylactery" if you're not trying to be edgy :V
Which one?
I mean, ALL words are made up, but horcrux was made up super recently. Either because JK Rowling wanted a word she could trademark, or because she didn't know a word for that already existed. Maybe both, who knows?
In lore he was reported as KIA multiple times. But that time against Dorn, we see him die. Omegon feels him die, and the author is like "Bruh...he dead AF"
well here's the thing. you can have one phylactery but you can make multiple pacts so that the soul is tehnically owned by multiple gods. effectively sharing your soul
polywarlockry
Yes. And then he died for real again when fighting RB
Omegon feels him die more than once, and the author says he's dead AF more than once.
Dorn decapitates him
HA! YOU THINK THIS IS MY REAL HEAD?
Roboute? That didnt actually happen. In the same story that "report" appears in, the lore states that even the Ultramarines agree its bunk, and it turns out the guy who "discovered" the report was an Alpha Legion agent within the Inquisition
Didn't RB mention it later, though? Like, on his way to explore the Circatrix Maladictum?
Not that Im aware of
He does mention it, but he also say he can't really remember how it went
Need a source, cause I dont remember that. Or if I do, its on the extreme edges of my memory
I'm trying to find it but I may be wrong (Most likely wrong)
Yay can't find it, must be wrong/fan made
I think the only mention of it is in the book Sons of the Hydra. A traitor AL believes "Alpharius" was killed on Eskandor. While a loyalist one knows that it's a lie and that Omegon is still alive and is trying to find him
And unlike the traitor. The loyalist one knows it's Omegon. Indicating he has the actual intel
I think I heard something about an entity known as the
Voice of the Emperor. From what I gather itโs some mysterious person or thing that just shows up from time to time and instigates wars and shit, am I right?
Why does it make so much sense that the one doing this would be a Rouge Dark Angel?
Because the Dark Angeles are second best at everything, including having questionable loyalties.
Is this about the dark angels being traitors again?
I can't think of a better explanation for why people transitioned the topic from Alpha Legion to Dark Angels.
I asked about the 'Voice of the Emperor' and Blank said it's hinted that it's the fallen, I then made a remark on how thay makes sense oddly.
What is with the Fallen anyway? They're lumped in with Chaos in the GW store but I dunno, they look too clean to be Chaos.
AFAIK they're just traitor Dark Angels that didn't fall to chaos, but rebelled on their own.
They are a mix bag of traitors and renegades.
Basically, they were a group of Dark Angels legion who were under the command of the Legion's Second in Command: Luther.
Luther pretty much got played like a fiddle by Chaos and sought to make Caliban independent of the Imperium. This lead to a massive battle when the rest of the legion returned to the planet. Loyalist vs Traitor.
The battle ended when a massive warp rift opened up, shattering the planet, and sending the traitors through time and space across the galaxy
So in essence, some guy got tricked by actual Chaos marines and then led a civil war on Caliban into a warp storm literally flung 'em across the galaxy. And since the Dark Angels are kinda paranoid they now scour everywhere so they can find all of their former brothers before they tumble the Imperium from the shadows Alpha Legion style.
Some of them still fight chaos, some fully give themself to it
Luther wasnt tricked by Chaos Marines. Luther was tricked by Chaos itself
And the Dark Angels seek to hunt them down, where ever they appear for both pride and practical reasons. Pride in that they dont want the rest of the Imperium to know the shame that so many of their number turned traitor.
Practical in that they know that Imperial forces like the Inquisition are pretty grimderp and will likely mistake the Fallen for the current Dark Angels. So if they find out, then the Inquisition will likely go full "Kill them all, the Emperor will know his own"
Nice hint to the ragged knight... Also the warp storm is hinted to be created by the DA of the future, in a extremely complex time loop paradox
Well it wasnt hinted. That was confirmed in Unforgiven. And its more complicated that than
Yeah
Eh, i like to be a bit more cautious, and not spoil anything
Summary of that:
||Caliban has a warp entity hiding deep beneath its surface. The Orouboros. Since before the Imperium found it. It was part of a triumverate of Chaos entities.
The Ouroboros
The Tuchulcha
The PlagueHeart
In late M41, The Fallen and the Death Guard conspired to bring these together and use the resulting warp disturbence to open a rift into the past. To bring the Fallen together into M41 as a unified legion||
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They just wont die
The Fallen are explicitly loyalists.
They are the Astartes the Emperor picked for his First Legion.
When Lion got it he decided he didn't trust the Emperor's people and left all of them to rot on Caliban while he went out with his own Astartes.
Then he came back and opened fire on them, and they mistook(?) it as being traitors attacking Caliban because word of Terra being attacked by traitors had just come through. The order was given for none of the Emperor's chosen Astartes to survive.
After the battle, the Lion decided to let Terra burn.
That's why people call the Dark Angels loyalists - because they kill people for being too closely aligned to the Emperor and leave him to die when he calls for their aid.
We found the heretic.
The Lion's loyalty to the Emperor was absolute. It's been repeatedly confirmed that The Fallen are, in fact, traitors.
Yeah. "The Fallen are the real loyalists!" was said by Astelan. The same "loyalist" who was working with the Death Guard to form a new chaos legion called the "Death Angels"
Because, ya know, the Death Guard are oh so loyal
id say there are traitors and loyalists in the fallen
and the dark angels just really need to come forth and admit the truth so they stop killing all witnesses
Mostly traitors. Or former traitors who realized their treason too late
If you read the 40k Series by Dark Horse comics (Will of Iron, Revelations, Fallen). You see to see the perspective of a Fallen first hand. He is no loyalist.
So would a mechanicus facility have the aquila on it?
I'm designing a roll20 map for a 40k game and the players are having the misfortune of meeting a magos
and I want to make it look good
Mostly have the Cog Mechanicus
There can be an occasional eagle or aquila. But is fairly uncommon
thank you!
I'll put them off in the corners of the room, the magos is a traitor after all
oh sweet!
I dont remember seeing an eagle anywhere
Only time Ive seen an eagle or aquila was on an ark mechanicus
a very unique looking one at that
alright then, I think I'll just have one in front of the entrance like a big metal doormat
If the Magos is a traitor, why would he have an aquila?
Not openly a traitor yet, I'm just building his office
Just having mechanicus emblems would serve well enough
yeah fair enough
@vagrant osprey you convinced me
Yes, Azmodai, the people who needed to repent were over here...
This just say "well, yeah, we will get probably the IG up to date as models"... There is no reason to get cadians as something different from baseline trooper, and while yeah, they were well trained they weren't the only forstress world, nor the one that give amazing training to their regiments... If we go by the thing "they learn to shoot before learning to read" it is the same for catachans... Also very well trained IG regiments are the elysian one... IDK, probably it is just me, i don't like wold lord rho too
What id like to see on the model side for the guard is interchangeable base models and upgrade kits
Like, steel legion and dkok, cadia, mordian, valhallans etc, but base models
With heavy weapons squads and infantry boxes etc and then upgrade kits to make specific regiments
Indeed
Like uh Base bodies: steel legion. , dkok upgrade kit; infantry. Gives you the dkok helmets and lasguns for 10 man plus 2 sergeant item setups
Mordian iron guard base kit, vostroyan upgrade kit with laslocks and fuzzy hats, 2 sergeant items etc
wait so is Dorn really dead ? or does he , you know S T O M P S T O M P
He used to be dead with his skeleton being used as a relic by the IF
but it was changed to just a hand
So he is currently in Limbo
My primarch is not dead, for shame on you heretic ill be informing the most nearest inquisitor to your position await for extermination please and thank you
The only true death Primarch are Hawk Boi, Bat boi and Identity crisis boi Nยฐ1
Corax isn't confirmed dead
I didn't put Crow Boi in my list
Sanguinius didnt completely die. He is still rocking around in the warp. Has been able to manifest more now that the great rift opened
though I didn't even knew he was suspected dead
Isn't that a meme or is he a ghost ?
Ghost. He appeared to both Dante and Mephiston to give them some peptalks
But is it their own delusion (Blood Angel being as crazy as ever) ?
Nope
Otherwise, when he appeared to Dante, it would have just been the Sanguinor. Since Dante believed that the Sanguinor was Sanguinius. But the Sanginor stepped aside and revealed the true Sanguinius to Dante
Sanguinor: Look again B
Basically. to summarize the scene it was like:
Sanguinor: appears
Dante: "Father, you finally came home!"
Sanguinor: "Uhh...I aint your daddy. He is." points behind him
Sanguinis: "Sup, kiddo?"
Dante: "!!!!!"
Mixed with: JUST LET ME FUCKING DIE
โYou came,โ he said. His throat was dry, his lips numb. The beautiful voice that had inspired millions was a harsh whisper. โYou came after all.โ
The Sanguinor kept its silence, but stood back and flung an arm wide to indicate a greater presence behind it. Danteโs breath caught in his chest. Once again, he saw the face of Sanguinius, but this was no metal representation. The face was of flesh, the wings that spread either side of his body were white feathers,
not cold sculpture. His body was as real as his sorrow. He shone like a desert sun in the full glory of noon, a bringer of light dangerous in its incandescent power.
โMy son,โ Sanguinius said. โMy greatest son.โ```
Oh... Then who is hawk boy?
Sanguinus
Apparently that's not actually Sanguinius but the BELIEF of the people of who he is
since Sanguinius is worshipped as the best son
That's the Sanguinor who is empowered like that.
That seems more like a warp echo
Could be
Though since the primarchs are pretty warpy themselves
Possibility is there
Maybe like a fragment of his soul
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we're expecting one legendary lord per chaos daemons faction, so i assume it'll just be skarbrand for khorne
yall, what do people who privately own large void-capable ships do with them. it seems, despite the fact that there would have to be a major crew, like it would feel quite empty
if you don't have like a family there
or a large number of buddies
what do inquisitors or rogue traders do with them
Usually conduct buiness such as shipping or transport for others. Even privately owned ships have large crews to operate them and serve in their defense.
It depends what kind of Rogue trader you are, some go do their discovery task, some do trades, some even do piracy etc
and for the inquisition
the next chapter i write will be on a ship like that so if you don't have like, a private army
what do you do with a ship
Well the Inquisition depends which branch your inquisitor is part off
But I'm not too knowledgeable about inquisitors so my answers would be short or not accurate
malleus
besides having like, his library, interrogation facility, and lockbox for daemonic weapons and heretical tomes
and probably a lot of tech-adepts and cogitators for parsing and sorting data
It depends what size category your ship is
Rogue trader has a lot of things about ships
Is it a smaller scouting vessel, or a large war one etc
Well you definitely won't be doing Exterminatus with a light cruiser but you'd be well enough to travel around without being noticed too much
So maybe more as a mobile base of operation I'd say
You can have a lot of things in your light cruiser, you could have trophy room, cafรฉ room, medical rooms etc
It all depends what your inquisitor likes and values
what if you're boring, like to exercise, mindrape prisoners, lock heretical objects away, argue with daemonic swords, and not waste money
Well a reliquary sounds like a must have with hidden rooms
Torture chamber aswell
Especially if he is the kind of Malleus to create daemonhosts
not yet...
But keep in mind all i'm mentionning is things that RT gives you to customize your own ship
opens hidden door in the library, revealing a near museum of ancient weapons and armour. All lovingly restored and ready for use.
^ My dream room
he just has a daemonic sabre that hates his guts
Definitely something I'd put in a room with a heavy amount of explosive inside that I could detach from my ship
wielding the sabre goes like:
"corpse-cock-sucker"
"glorified spike dildo"
"hypocritical, perverted sadist"
"impotent choleric toothpick"
Lovely
What kind and playful banter between friends :)
I've saw people do that with their house, could be easily done if you manage your dream of owning a bunker
Bunkers here cost in the millions
Realistically. I will never in my life be able to afford one
damn
also, do you have any records of daemonic weapons that usually have a set form taking the form of a different weapon?
like something that's usually a sword being found also as an axe
I'm stuck on not wanting to give him an implausible arsenal but. This is 40k and its sooo extra.
Sounds perfectly reasonable
So the dreadaxe-sabre, a boltpistol or some shit like that, probably a regular power sword
Well daemon weapons are made by multiple means
Could just be one heretek that was too avant garde and it could be a feasible explanation
Yep
And the sabre is salty bc other dreadaxes think being a sabre is a pussy ass move
I know freebootas that'd kill for a nice sabre
I know freebootas that'd kill for a cool coffee mug
They'd do alot of things for cool stuff
Ordo malleus. Move aside the daemons come first
and they'd kill just for a laff
That's orks for you
And we wouldnโt love them any other way
https://www.ign.com/articles/warhammer-40k-darktide-bolter-indomitus-details
^ TL;DR screw lore if it makes for good gameplay
Ye nothing in DT confirmed so far directly conflicts with lore
I'd say it's moreso "It can fit with some stretch" rather than "fuck it"
I mean, he mentions lore fuckery twice
what lore fuckery hath been committed
Well he mentions the weapons, and having to squint a bit, if you really want to get nitty gritty, even the Godwin-De'az bolter wouldn't be avalible to conscripted prisoners and most lore allowing guard to even weild bolters was retconned, but my assumption by his quote is we would likely be able to use some obscure weapons, he also mentions later, that to paraphrase gameplay > lore adherance. Which they sorta proved with the addition of Shade / Bret knight to a lesser degree in V2
I'm p sure there are human-made bolters which commissars wield
no reason a guardsman couldn't wield it
There are
Arbites, Sororitas, Imperial Guard, Hive Gangers, etc use them.
Arbites actually use a different botler type, same for guard, I would have to check the name tho, there are 2 smaller bolter varieties
the De'az and the uhhhh...
Godwyn-Diaz
forgot the name, regardless, most of those weapon options were removed from tabletop
no the De'za is the one I know, there is another
There will probably be some reason or another that we will be able to use bolters.
Itโs kinda the iconic 40k weapon
Inquisitional requisition. At the Inquisitorial agent level of Imperial society, bolters are a dime a dozen
^ true, and inquisitional stormtroopers used to be able to use them, but not anymore
now its all Hellguns
yeah. You can get away with a lot of shit when papa inquisitor is around
unless they changed stuff up again, in the few years i've been on hiatus from tabletop
I hate they made Hellguns and Hotshot Lasguns the same thing.
Hellguns: basically LMG lasguns.
Hotshot Lasguns: DMR lasguns.
instead they just made them the same thing now :l
Either way
If we get bolters, I feel like that opens the floodgates
to we should be able to play has nearly anything sans Astartes
although it would be hillarious to just have 1 of your 4 players be fucking YUGE
just 3 guardsmen and 1 of these
lmao
I wouldnโt think we would get to play as an astartes
oh 0 chance
Yeah
and im glad thats the case
Yeah
You mean 2 guardsmen, a priestess, and a YUGE OGRYN?
now... Battle Sister I think is viable
should just be a career path for the priest girl
ez money
I mean
they are just normal humans
and if we get bolters anyway
who cares
Ye
Again, from a lore perspective, shade existing in V2, is like me playing as a tyranid in Darktide
so
1 sister of battle please.
ogryn will be more than
more fun than astartes sorry had a stroke
ngl having a sister of battle in darktide would be great
sister of battle and ogryn buddy
Shades are a specific group of seperatist dark elves hailing from a specific city, in Naggaroth that basically inbreed in the backwoods and hate everyone else
also Khaine worship is very different in wood elf vs dark elf standards
Khaine is the god of battle, war, honor, courage, to most elves, where as Dark Elves embrace his more vile attributes of murder, and wanton bloodshed. Also Dark Elves are mega racist.
tbh tyranid in darktide would be like, playing a khornite norscan in VT
Shade is like, vampire saltzpyre levels of stretch
although vamp saltz is kinda...he'd not take well to GK being in the game
or all the fire from sienna
I mean an entire bretonian province is a bunch of vampires
also some prior elector counts
annnnd a bunch of nobles in the Empire
they are just sneakyfucks
I mean yeah and they don't take well to burning or grail knights either ๐
For me Saltz gonna be a Warrior Priest of Sigmar
but yeah Shade is defo a mad lore stretch, as is handmaiden tbh
Kerri, maybe Wardancer or Amazon
but it seems careers are to be interpreted more as alternate timelines
than actual character progressions
Yeah. You canโt really jump from a hunter to a grail knight
yeah
which is wild that they didnt give sienna a different magic lore
cause 3x fire is boring as shit
tbf humans switching lores of magic probably wouldn't get GW approval
And there the problem of a lot more work and a lot of staffs in theory
well actually scratch that, alternate timeline Sienna I guess would work
but then you lose over 90% of her arsenal
and a fuckload of dialogue
you'd also have to change Sienna's base design a lot
like just her character model
Maybe for Sienna, Metal mage, i remember she have a dialogue for......Balthazar Gelt, maybe
way tooo much to do for what will be like a $10 dlc
yeah I mean
What a wizard of forest magic canโt have her head on fire???
not for her 4th career I mean why didnt they do it off the bat
like instead of pyro and unchained
they should of done 3x schools
unless she wants to get 3rd degree burns
battle wizard obv being the primary
yeah but I guess that means still providing 3 different staff sets
FS probs couldn't figure out a reasonable method to deal with that logistically
They could have done a unique staff for each lore of magic
And then have some general ones
yeah
Like how only the slayer can use the 2 axes
I feel they also had her set in official lore as a fire wizard as well and a lot of her personality is based on that
Including her evolving back story
And She became a High Mage of Fire because she 1v1 a Elven Wizzard and she win and Kerri get mad
there's still quite a few fire spells we've not touched yet
Yes...
hehehehehehhehe
Remember of some miss click with Fire Mage in Total War Warhammer
Yes
Yes
With Kislev
But Ogre Kingdoms not base ๐ฆ
visual representation after like 30 years
Ogre Kingdoms probably dlc
Since they had a 8e book, CA did say they were gonna do every army with a 8e book
Yeah. Same with chaos dwarfs
Most certainly unless they go back on the including all races
Wait
Some speculation as it could be Chaos dwarfs but I feel itโs more likely Ogre
They will add both
Iirc Ogres did fight with Kislev alot in fluff
Ogre can be played in Kislev and Cathay, cuz Ogres kindoms are betwen them
So the Ogre DLC will be the first
Beastmen are going to be the pre order bonus
Ye
Chaos dwarfs are also between them
Oh
Beastmen are in game tho
Never know that
Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos Dwarves are both likely to happen
They need a re work. They needed one more that the wood elves did
Yep
Imo Beastmen should've been the other half of the Twisted/Twilight
Rather than skaven
Yep
don't get me wrong, playing as them is fun as hell but...
Yeah
Dwarfs have also not been updated in almost as long as beastmen
Last dwarf one I donโt count as it added the forge thing
Broodhorror + molecular instability ๐ฅฒ
Tacked on the side of the empire updated
Do the Dwarf have almost same tech than Skaven ? Like Gatling ? Jezzail ?
Not really
Yeah the dwarf forge was basically just the TK mortuary cult scrapped back into the dwarfs
so it's boring still
There engineer guilds donโt like new tec
xD
Dwarf tech is held back by their traditionalism, It's a p big part of their conflicts in fluff
The ratties are the only one with mini guns
They are Mars cult
Dwarfs need Shield bearers mounts
And I would like to see Grudge stones but I doubt that will appear due to it making your lord not able to move
There just that ability in game atm
Shard Dragon
Someone mentioned guards not having access to boltguns while being a tabletop guy
Whomever you are, dude you forgot that sergeants can switch their laspistol + chainsword combo for a boltgun
its a much smaller version tho
It's one of the human patterns yes
Instead of being .75 its .60
Which is still an impressive caliber
Humans have smaller versions of power mauls and power swords too. Still power weapons
And it seems Darktide did that since we have powerhammer
Literally human sized thunder hammers
Is it one chapter specific weapon or are all Astartes chapters equipped with power hammers ?
they all have a version iirc
The Corvus hammer is literally a power bec-de-corbin lmao
thunderhammers are a little different
Thunderhammers are just power hammers on steroids
Probably named after the Ravenwing
Have you been hurting yourself with the Steam forums?
i go there to laugh from time to time
oof
When I quickly scrolled
Are they gone?
I saw in general like 20 minutes ago
Some times people just drop in and leave
I can ping him so he is still in the server
I hate imperial. WE MUST FORCE THE METRICS!
please sob guy said something in ever chat
and was wrong on almost everything
tried to say it wasnt a plague ogryn cause they had never seen a plague ogryn in their wopping 2 years of TT experience
I mean he said Tabletop guards dont have boltguns
Squad sergeants that are chosen of the spot have access to boltguns
yup
lasgun with banana mag? hmmm๐ค
seems might be an old model to fit mag in old pouches for autogun mags
ye they exist
ripper pistol?
And las-ingram-10 too.
i was thinking the one sly marbo uses
Or las/bolt uzi
Bolt Glock and Las Glock too.
Tiny bolts
Still would better than that only kicked once by explosion.
๐
@cerulean wagon Skelly!
Explain what ripperguns are to me and what makes them so wanted by everyone?
[curious ogryn noises]
imagine right
if you had a fully automatic 20mm cannon
but instead of bullets its giant buckshot shotgun shells
and the weapon also doubles up as a melee weapon
it essentially shreds people in it's projectile path. or more like rips them?
i mean the naming convention is not that consistent. you got bolters that bolt people? or are the bullets considered bolts too?
they're actually just guns that are pretty good, but were named by australians
nothing to do with actually ripping things
I only know an australian saying "ripper" from mk11 so i cant say much
Kano Is my most favorite character of all
wait ur telling me the sawbar from borderlands doesn't actually saws bars but actually is a combo between to machinguns s.a.w. and b.a.r.? man you ruined my fun
now you too can be an absolute ripper
Let 'em rip
autoguns are still in use just the lasgun is being standardised on
but as with all 40k things standardisation isnt complete
Looks like one of yhe common type of Englander
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They should've done the emperors sword
its just a shame that the blade profile is impractical and the spear itself is ridiculously heavy.
it was never meant for us mortal men
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