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thick shadow
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A dilemma of mon'keigh

sweet jacinth
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question is, killing youself would empower which chaos god?

cerulean wagon
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depends how you die

sweet jacinth
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ah i see so if it's in the battlefield it all goes to khorne

cerulean wagon
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uhhh

sweet jacinth
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and if you get sucked by a wormhole is tzeentch

cerulean wagon
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depends again

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most battlefields yes

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buuut if another god has claimed domain over that area

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then they have rights to your soul

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i.e. if you die to deathguard

sweet jacinth
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i was more like thinking in the domain of taking your own life in order to not empower the other chaos gods through your actions

celest dome
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Chaos undivided/Chaos
Not all souls go to a Chaos God/God but some just go to the warp where they either get eaten by some demon when found or mutate and become Warp creature

final seal
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chaos god of scab

storm jungle
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Yeeee its a matter of "who gets who first"

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meanwhile Imperials basically see Warp as Hell

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and Big E's domain as heaven

final seal
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everytime you peel, it grows strong

celest dome
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Less as Hell and more as Tartarus, they are part of the same plane but there are good and bad places

distant harness
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ngl literally anything is probably pretty similar to heaven compared to the warp

storm jungle
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^

storm jungle
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so beats me

distant harness
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miss me with that "ripped apart by furies or eternally tormented" shit

thick shadow
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Mutate me into a fluffy furry girl with thigh gap

sweet jacinth
storm jungle
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LOL

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oh my god thats exactly what it is

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that actually happens LITERALLY in the lore too

celest dome
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But who is the best servant of the Emp and why is it Saint Sabat

storm jungle
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Weird way to spell Celestine

thick shadow
cerulean wagon
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not even repping my main man jurgen

distant harness
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if saint sabat is so great why are they dead?

sweet jacinth
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jurgen is one of the few reasons Ciaphas Cain is still alive

cerulean wagon
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that and his chainsword

thick shadow
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The question is: Closer to wolf? or Feline? or Lizard?

storm jungle
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None

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burn em all

thick shadow
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๐Ÿ˜”

distant harness
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Dumb space wolves player

storm jungle
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PURGE ๐Ÿบ ๐Ÿฑ ๐ŸฆŽ

weak fern
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Dont burn Mazdamundi please

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I need his book

thick shadow
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'ight, might mix 'em all somehow

sweet jacinth
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OK, yer gonna walk in, a squid will scream at ye, IF YOU GET A BONER, we're killin ye.

thick shadow
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Mazy is toad but not Todd Howard

weak fern
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x)

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Fuck Todd Howard

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Its juuuuuuuuuust wooork its just work

sweet jacinth
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but it JUST WORKS

storm jungle
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Skyrim is still being re-released in 40k

thick shadow
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Yes, in a Khorne way

weak fern
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You mean

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Fallout 76 ?

storm jungle
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Yes

weak fern
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Accurate

distant harness
storm jungle
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Proud

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ye donkey

sweet jacinth
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but instead of vaults the nukes start right away

storm jungle
distant harness
weak fern
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Not nuke

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But exterminatus

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XD

distant harness
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the worst part of skyrim re-releases is no enderal re-release

weak fern
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Enderal better than Skyrim.

distant harness
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100% true

thick shadow
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And still no improvement on animations, bugs, etc. and most importantly, the engine is same.

distant harness
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Bit of a shame some parts are unfinished but it's crazy good

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but painful to play for some people because not on SE

weak fern
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I never finish Enderal, but gooooooood i love this game

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Its like

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Morrowind

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In better

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For me

distant harness
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I've finished it, been holding off finishing second run with the secret end though

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because I am a completionist

weak fern
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And ?

distant harness
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there's so much shit to do lol

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and I know if I finish it I won't reload

sweet jacinth
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also the steam library is so vast

thick shadow
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Wish Microsoft improve and fix the Bethesda

weak fern
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I Wish too

distant harness
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honestly I've put so many hours into their games that it feels weird to be super harsh on them for me

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like they're crazy flawed, but can't really be too negative when I've probably put 1k hours in skyrim alone, counting mods

weak fern
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I just want Daggerfall and Arena with new textures....

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Morrowind too....

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And

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Redguard !

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PLEASE

thick shadow
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Their games are like a rimbo

weak fern
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Who remember about Redguard

sweet jacinth
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you could try daggerfall unity in the mean time

sweet jacinth
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i think this one is already in 40k memes

mint crest
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thats a fuckin awesome animation

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i love how hes using huge maces as drumsticks

vagrant osprey
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Nids vs Orks is bad for everybody else.

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Consider the danger of Nids with the WAAAGH

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Or Orks wielding weapons made of nidstuff

barren tapir
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Then let me show you the octarius war:

dull flame
coarse mirage
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It's that the ork are a renewable source of biomass that may swell the Tyranid swarm massively

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@dull flame That guy at the bottom left going "You're probably wondering how I got into this mess"

dull flame
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Orks also get bigger the more they fight. So if the Orks win they're gonna be hyoog

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Whoever wins, the Imperium loses.

coarse mirage
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Yeah

dull flame
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Either got jacked up orks or super fed tyranids

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With lots of Ork DNA to play with

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That guy in the bottom left was isekai'd into the 40k universe

coarse mirage
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I remember reading about the nids having a "secret project" on some planet

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Where they were building a massive structure for some reason

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Luring biomass to that system, rather than roaming and hunting.

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But it didn't specify what that thing might be

dull flame
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Hive Fleet Tiamet

coarse mirage
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Hive Fleet Clever Girl

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That one hive fleet that prefers daemons and Chaos as targets is also interesting

dull flame
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Instead of eating the planets they set up shop on them and are building something fun.

dull flame
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Then there's Hive Fleet Hydra that's going around eating other tyranid fleets

coarse mirage
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I think part of the Tyranids big weakness is how predictable they can be. Their approach isn't sneaky.

open marsh
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confused Lictor noises

barren tapir
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So sneaky that people forget about them

coarse mirage
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Do any of you have any Tau book recommendations?

open marsh
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War of Secrets

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In Harmony Restored

coarse mirage
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listening to War of Secrets

coarse mirage
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I wonder if the Ethereals might end up being tossed out

open marsh
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nah. but gamewise thats the point of the Farsight Enclaves

coarse mirage
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in this Secret War book there's some dissidents

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and in another book, Shadowbreaker, they are specifically kidnapping Tau with a "rebellious gene" for reasons.

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aka Tau that don't respond well or at all to the Ethereal manipulation

smoky ferry
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I doubt they'd remove them all, but could be interesting if some dissidents leave the main branch of tau and bring that wormhole (or whatever it's called) tech to the Farsight enclaves. Farsight enclaves would fit really well as a small faction to get some special written rule focus, without needing new models for 99% of the force

coarse mirage
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Because in Secret War, that whole wormhole deal is described as being the fault of the Ethereals that pushed for it without consideration

open marsh
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There are mentions in the codex of Tau turning rebel. Usually just means they flee to the Farsight Enclaves

coarse mirage
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Listening to a Tau warsuit soloing Dark Angels

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in an XV95 Ghostkeel

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correction, Angels of Absolution

open marsh
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Its because its Shash'O Kais.

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The literally biggest solo badass the Tau have, period.

coarse mirage
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How I would love another game like Dawn of War with all the different races

odd sparrow
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it is a shame that they messed up DoW3 so badly. There was so much potential, with how many new/updated factions and models there are

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esp since they were including lords of war

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i wanna use my stormsurges to nuke space fascists ;-;

rotund siren
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They took what could've been! Stolen, from right under our noses!

coarse mirage
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space facists? Are you sure you're in the right Discord?

rotund siren
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You saying the Imperium aren't space fascists?

coarse mirage
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They're a lot of things

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As are the Tau

plucky moth
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the main thing the imperium is incoherent

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however you'd be blind to not identify the various tropes they pull from imperial powers and fascistic elements

crisp heath
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the political system of the imperium is theocratic military shitstorm

storm jungle
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^

coarse mirage
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I see a lot of real world parallels in it

storm jungle
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Again, as we all know.

"The most bloody regime imaginable."

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at least they support equality tho lol

rotund siren
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lol

storm jungle
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which is hilarious and great

coarse mirage
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Everyones equally worthless

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Very commie

rotund siren
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Everyone is equally worthy to die

plucky moth
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important to note: fascism is less about the structuring of a system per se and more that it's all an avenue for power

coarse mirage
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What non-democratic political system isn't?

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Well even democracy turns out to be like that...

plucky moth
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communism and democracy, in theory, are not that

crisp heath
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you can die on the front whether you're 6 or 60, male, female, straight, gay, ugly, hot, or anything. lasguns are one size fits all.

plucky moth
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fascism, in theory, is that

storm jungle
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Just dont call the tau communist please at least, its like one of the worst memes in the fandom along with the fish thing.

coarse mirage
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Yeah Tau are something else

crisp heath
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tau are not communist they literally have a caste system they bred themselves into lol

coarse mirage
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That whole getting together and being friends is more of a parody of communism

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Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's all kinds of things

crisp heath
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they do have some aspects of cold war era USSR, i think, however their establishment is definitely not it

storm jungle
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tbh im pretty sure their "lol communist" thing comes from people thinking

"Hmm, Tau look eastern, China is in the east, China is communist. So must be the Tau owo"

coarse mirage
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Elements of many things

crisp heath
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the whole let's hold hands, paint shit in nice colors and spread our nice atheistic ideology of a greater good

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and blocky but not fash-military-blocky school of brutalist design

rotund siren
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Tau themselves are practically a theocracy, but believing in the Greater Good instead of a proper god

coarse mirage
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I just htink people look a bit too hard at it.

plucky moth
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Commie hooves tho zoomeyes

rotund siren
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NO

coarse mirage
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Clippety cloppety your planet is now Greater Good property

crisp heath
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-loads bolter with xenocidal intent-

plucky moth
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lmao

plucky moth
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but yeah 40k just mish mashes a bunch of shit together and grimdarkens it all to hell

coarse mirage
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But people like their labels.

plucky moth
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it can be interesting to read into it tho

crisp heath
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well they can go to a store

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there is a lot of labels to read there

plucky moth
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mind you it's the equivalent of us debating why the curtain was blue in a story and what it represents when the author meanwhile was like "curtain blue, yes"

coarse mirage
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The Space Wolves wolfishly wolfed their way into the den of the enemy to eat them like wolves

plucky moth
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Us: fellas what political system does the imperium have?
GW: SPACE MARINES PRIMARIS PRAIMARIS ASODSDAGJNOIGNEAIKRHGNEIK

coarse mirage
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WOW THIS AUTHOR IS FURRY

crisp heath
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okay but what if i have extensive reasoning for the color schemes of my designs

plucky moth
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then it'll show in your stories ๐Ÿ˜›

storm jungle
open marsh
storm jungle
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people hate the wolf thing because of the stupid overuse of the word lol

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but nah you see its "FENRISIAN SOUNDS WEIRD IN GOTHIC OK"

crisp heath
coarse mirage
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It was a joke

crisp heath
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very rich, royal

plucky moth
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royalty, probably

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aye

crisp heath
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possibly freaky

coarse mirage
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purple are deviants

rotund siren
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cool

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wait wat

plucky moth
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purple? well if you can see 'em then they ain't an ork

rotund siren
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why freaky_

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urgh

plucky moth
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rich people are freaky

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simple as

coarse mirage
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Slaanesh is purple

storm jungle
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jokes aside they really can be

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hedonism bro

rotund siren
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true

crisp heath
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i use a lot of black, white and red but beware austere black white combinations

plucky moth
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royalty especially are a freakshow

rotund siren
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Nah, incest is wincest in the court of the king

coarse mirage
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We sure like to go from one subject to another :p

rotund siren
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Dontcha know that?

coarse mirage
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We just express whatever comes to mind. We're a very openminded discord

final spruce
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The Egyptians would know about this

rotund siren
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yeah

celest dome
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Not all Royalty have an history of Incest

final spruce
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Not all but its been a recurrent problem throughout the History even so far as the 17th century

plucky moth
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Legionnaire: man can't wait to serve my country, win glory, get rich and establish myself as a legend and hero for my- oh fuck Caligula is the emperor

rotund siren
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I mean, at one point, every royal in Europe was related to one another

plucky moth
final spruce
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That point is more akin to nobles marrying between their social class

rotund siren
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I mean, people once thought marrying your cousin was good, so

final spruce
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It should be able to stay this way as long as there isn't too much people joining

coarse mirage
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I could talk more about marrying your cousins but I think it'd get a bit too spicy.

crisp heath
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ww1 was basically a massive quarrel between cousins

coarse mirage
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Oh I didn't mean spicy as in sexy, but as in too charged.

rotund siren
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OHHHH

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good

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thanks for clearing that up

celest dome
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As someone who is from a country with nobility, American Christmas Film about the love btw a Prince an a commoner are so dumb

coarse mirage
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It's about the taboo

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Doing the impossible, breakin the social barriers, doing the no-no

barren tapir
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Funny enough that would be an amazing way to keep the people compliant and bring new blood into noble families

final spruce
celest dome
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What Taboo ? I've met the current head of state of my country

crisp heath
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they are. the highest level of like... opportunity you can get there is an affair between a royal and low nobility or some townsfolk eg actress/actor, musician etc. the difference in experience is just too vast and royal marriages were premeditated and arranged

plucky moth
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breaking the barriers by marrying a sugar mommy CEO

coarse mirage
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The taboo of nobility marrying a commoner, which in ye olden days was not alright.

final spruce
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That's one way of doing it

coarse mirage
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Dude I'd be a house husband any time.

rotund siren
final spruce
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Affairs were common but marriage ? Inconceivable

crisp heath
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affairs were inevitable when your marriage was based on land gains

coarse mirage
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She's got... HUGE tracks of land!

rotund siren
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lmao

crisp heath
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marriage was just another form of a political treaty

coarse mirage
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But faaather

rotund siren
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nice reference

coarse mirage
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I'm full of them!

crisp heath
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and on the occasion that a marriage was made with some other sentiments in mind as well the consequences were not always happy

coarse mirage
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Looking at you Henry

coarse mirage
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Haha

rotund siren
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magical

coarse mirage
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Speaking of kings, tomorrow is perhaps an announcement from CA on what's next

crisp heath
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eg elizabeth of austria was not meant to become empress - her older sister was - but franz joseph fell in love with her, accordingly, and was just like. no i'm marrying this one. and he did but she didn't have the education in duties and decorum so the court did not like her and she did a lot of her own shit contrary to her mother in law etc. travelling and shit.

coarse mirage
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This last video showed what's without a doubt a Kislev reference

coarse mirage
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Fantasy Russians on bears!

rotund siren
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I think

barren tapir
crisp heath
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not really good for her

rotund siren
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oh

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well

plucky moth
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gonna start calling myself Lachlan of Australia to get into fancy parties

crisp heath
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she did it because she was unhappy as empress

rotund siren
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ah, I see

coarse mirage
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I want to be hype, but I also don't want to hear "Epic exclussive" after I'm all hyped up.

plucky moth
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hopefully won't be the case

rotund siren
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that would be sad

coarse mirage
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Would be worse than the Chaos pre-purchase race

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They learned from that though

coarse mirage
open marsh
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Sssshhhh....dont tell anyone that other regiments with unique look exists. GW just wants there to be only Cadians and knock off Cadians

rotund siren
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;-;

storm jungle
celest dome
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oh and Catachan too

coarse mirage
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He's a great channel for lore

celest dome
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but other than that, just ignore therest

coarse mirage
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The video is 45 minutes

dull flame
coarse mirage
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Take your spade and dig a hole for yourself

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And stay there

celest dome
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Krieg meme are starting to feel really stale

plucky moth
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what's sad about Cadians being the only ones that get attention is that like

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Cadians are actually fucking awesome and seeing them be done to death is sad

rotund siren
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true

coarse mirage
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I have a comic where there's Cadians and those Tsarist Russian ones are fighting Tau

dull flame
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That's the thing though. Krieg aren't memes. They're one of the best regiments around and GW needs to give them more respect!

plucky moth
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it's like the Krieg memes, awesome regiment but they got completely rekt by memes and lore dumbing them down to meme status

celest dome
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they are not

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the best regiment are not one that basically just throw mens at problems

coarse mirage
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There's a regiment that doesnt?

plucky moth
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regiments used to actually have tactics PepeHands

dull flame
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Krieg have men in abundant supply. Why not throw men at the problem?

coarse mirage
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part of the Krieg quirk is that they have no personal identity and are fine with just dying

dull flame
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About to get vaporized by that necron? Toss your plasma gun so someone else can pick it up and use it. That's the Krieg way

coarse mirage
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That's why they are a meme.

open marsh
coarse mirage
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All sense and reason is gone just for the joke that they don't care. Instead of making them grim and fatalistic as they should be.

dull flame
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Considering a plasma gun is probably their best chance at killing a necron over a lasgun I'd say it makes sense that the dude about to be atomized should toss it. Why let it get vaporized along with you? :3

rotund siren
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Hurdur imma die for da emprah

plucky moth
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they should be grim trench warfare experts, not like...elite cannon fodder

rotund siren
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that sucks

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that super sucks

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like, they literally are equipped with weapons made in a planet with a fake sun in its core!

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they are made in vast numbers in technoheretical vitawombs and fight to right ancient wrongs!

dull flame
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If Krieg are good at one thing it's building trenches and shelling a hive til there's no life signs left. Then shelling it some more.

celest dome
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Do they get their weapon from Forge World Lathe ?

rotund siren
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Lucius

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at least, the good weapons

plucky moth
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there's a difference between noble/strategic sacrifice and just total reckless abandon bordering on depressingly stupid

celest dome
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Lucius has a fake sun ? Didn't know that

rotund siren
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at least, I think so. am I having the name wrong?

dull flame
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"The Hive World of Derondis withheld its annual tithes and regiments of Krieg's Death Korps were deployed to act as the honour guard of the Departmento Munitorum investigation team. After the Imperial officials were hanged by the rebellious populace, the Krieg troops redeployed into the towering mountains that overlooked the primary hive city. Several artillery and siege companies began to bombard the city spires and the inhabitants were mercilessly gunned down as they tried to break out from the besieged city. After ten standard years of relentless shelling, the hive was reduced to naught but rubble and dust, two solar years after all signs of life from the hive had already ceased and five solar years after the hive had plaintively issued its unconditional surrender."

coarse mirage
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There are some pretty neat planets

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I like the one in Tau space that's just an orb of water

plucky moth
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like when you look at WW1, you have the battles where men are just straight thrown away in absolutely stunning levels of stupidity from commanders

then you have the battles where heroic soldiers against all odds, sacrifice everything to hold the line or save their fellow soldiers

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Krieg should be the latter

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but I guess it's more grimdark to be the former

storm jungle
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Oh god i forgot that stupid event

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what a waste of artillery like jesus christ

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its not even logical as "sending a message" in the galaxy of all places, nobody is gonna hear about it

dull flame
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Points to the Siege of Vraks and the Battle of Fort A-453

storm jungle
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So?

plucky moth
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it's cartoonish at this point

storm jungle
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Those are even worse examples

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lmao

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Those are the ones where Krieg literally got memed to death and the stupidity around them began to take hold

celest dome
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Vrak could have been returned to the Imperium

storm jungle
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But instead they got Frak'd

open marsh
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I love that 4 day long bombardment on Vraks. Firing all, what...70,000 artillery cannons. Constantly?

storm jungle
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To the point that the barrels broke iirc

open marsh
rotund siren
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haha, shelling! so funny haha!

coarse mirage
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Don't call me Shelley

storm jungle
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MUH WW1

dull flame
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Vraks was useless by the end of the conflict. There was too much chaos taint and all the ammo on the planet was used up

rotund siren
storm jungle
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I never got that point

storm jungle
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theres literally worlds with better production value than that piece of mud

coarse mirage
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What's your vector Victor?

open marsh
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Well the planet was useless. But the war was not. Imagine if the enemies of man had been able to just raid those armories and take the weapons across the galaxy

celest dome
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Vrak was useful for it's Orbital Cannon, not for the ammo lying on the ground

coarse mirage
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So you're telling me that this planet

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got totally vraked up?

dull flame
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Oh I know. The war was intended to keep the heretics from having all that ammo. But once the war was over the traitors used up all the ammo in defending it so they had no use for the world anymore. Besides the Krieg engineers leveled the citadel they fought so hard to take anyway. ๐Ÿ˜›

rotund siren
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that is... pretty stupid

open marsh
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Thats par for the course for the Imperium, and the Death Korps

dull flame
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I'd say it's not stupid considering all the unexploded munitions left behind as well. Don't forget Nurgle warbands were there and they used all kinds of nasty chemical weapons.

open marsh
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TP3

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Also taken from Vraks armories

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I think the only weapons that made it off world were some Valdor Tank Hunters. That the Steel Brethren took as payment for getting the rest of Vrak's VTH's up and running

rotund siren
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That's real dumb, because if the war was supposed to get the ammo, then technically the Krieg failed, and if the war was to stop the heretics, then they definitely could've done it far faster than how they did do it

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so either way, it was basically a waste of time and life, and utterly grimderp nonsense

plucky moth
storm jungle
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The best part is

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the administratum even considered the entire thing a lost cause lmao

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and just ordered them to pull out

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Naturally that got the reaction of "WE CANT LET THE HERETICS WIN REEEE"

dull flame
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There was no way to do it faster. The only real objective was the citadel and to get to it they had to go through 3 lines of heavily fortified positions.

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And that was before the Chaos Space Marines showed up

rotund siren
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But if the planet ended up being useless without the ammo... then why not just attack them from above, or use actual tactics like stealth or something?

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call in the navy or whoever

barren tapir
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It seems that many people think that the death korps are an old regiment... They aren't an old regiment, they are among the most recent established regiments in timeline of the setting

dull flame
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Void shields. Can't bomb it from space.

rotund siren
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how convenient

dull flame
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Well it was an imperial armoury world until the guy in charge of it went traitor. Naturally it'd have defenses from being bombed from orbit

celest dome
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void shield are not 100% fiable and can still get shredded

barren tapir
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Void shields can be overloaded, just keep firing

dull flame
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"By the time word reached the Imperium of the rebellion on Vraks, it was already too late. Millions of Traitors and Heretics were now dug into meticulously planned, constructed, and reinforced defences, with massive orbital lasers protecting the world's Citadel from orbital bombardment and assault. It fell on the Imperial Guardsmen of the Death Korps of Krieg, united under the umbrella of the Imperium's 88th Siege Army, to dislodge the traitorous forces of Cardinal Xaphan in what would become a grinding war of attrition that would consume millions of lives across 17 standard years of battle."

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I forgot about the orbital lasers. :3

rotund siren
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how'd they get on the planet then?

celest dome
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other side of the planet

dull flame
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Krieg? They landed on the far side

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And built rail all the way to the outskirts of the citadel

celest dome
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only a handful of Hive

storm jungle
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the entire reason this attack fails is because "this book/plot needs to exist."

celest dome
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who wrote the siege of Vrak ?

dull flame
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Imperial Armour. It's a Forge World thing

dull flame
storm jungle
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Pretty much but Vraks is just... weird

celest dome
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some make sense, like Cadia

storm jungle
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half of the "tactics" in it feel dull in general and could be written better

restive turtle
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There actually is a lore reason why most of their tactics sucks in that battle

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For a good while it was the planetary governor I believe on one of the nearby planets directing them who was super incompetent, I think after him they got some other incompetent leaders as well. Some of the Kriegers did show good strategic planning when they were allowed to.

dull flame
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They also had to rush cause the Administratum was giving them a time limit before they pulled away all the supplies and resources needed.

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Which they had to keep extending cause shit kept going wrong for the attackers. ๐Ÿ˜›

open marsh
restive turtle
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What did they do this time

dull flame
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Showed up to the space port and caused all kinds of issues so the Dark Angels had to come and give 'em a slapping around

open marsh
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Every time resources were about to be pulled from Vraks, enough that the Imperium would abandoned the planet, they started doing shit to get the Imperium interested again

restive turtle
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Wait, intentionally?

open marsh
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Not explicitly stated...but implied when you look at the wider picture of the siege

dull flame
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Typical closet loyalists. Wanted to make sure the planet was taken back for the emperor

barren tapir
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Classic Alpha Legion, you will never understand if they are helping or damaging the imperium

restive turtle
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I am not sure they themselves know

summer niche
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too many levels of ironic hereticism

open marsh
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What really sold it for me, is on the back half of the siege, the Alpha Legion told some Chaos Marines (who wouldnt be very good at defending the planet) where the Vraks leadership was

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Basically making sure that the entire defense of Vraks finally collapsed

restive turtle
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Maybe they were taking bets on whom they could ruin it the most for

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Maybe they just really hate Iron Warriors

barren tapir
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What those CSM did with the info about the vrask leadership?

open marsh
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The Iron Warriors didnt have much part in the siege. They just fixed some tanks. Got beaten at their own game by the Death Korps, then ran away

summer niche
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the iron warriors didn't get along too well with anyone did they?

dull flame
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Right when Abaddon is about to win. The Alpha Legion are gonna turn on them and reveal they were loyal the whole time. Just had to pretend to be traitors to set up the long con.

open marsh
barren tapir
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Lulz

summer niche
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lmao

open marsh
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And those were the guys who had maintained the siege for 17 years.

restive turtle
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oh

dull flame
restive turtle
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ooooh

open marsh
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Who had twice almost beaten the Imperium's forces off the planet

summer niche
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lmao

restive turtle
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Alpha Legion be trolling

open marsh
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And the Alpha Legion finally found a way to kill them off without looking like they are the ones who did it

summer niche
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was vrak a heretical planet?

open marsh
summer niche
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why would the CSM kill the leadership there then?

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just for luls?

open marsh
dull flame
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Cause they're Chaos Space Marines. They don't need to take orders from anyone. Especially rando mortals. ๐Ÿ˜›

summer niche
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i suppose

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just feels a bit randumb

dull flame
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Chaos itself is randumb. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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You can either ascend to daemon prince or be turned into a chaos spawn. Chaos does what it wants.

barren tapir
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Also that leadership make look bad the CSM, how a mere mortal can do what CSM cannot manage to do?

summer niche
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Ahh

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they were too good

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now that makes more sense

barren tapir
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I mean, 17 years...

dull flame
summer niche
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i can imagine some CSM being arrogant and just pissy

barren tapir
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And they were simple humans who knew their planets

dull flame
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Vraks is the costco of human suffering.

summer niche
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Soon it shall be the darktide hive

dull flame
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Yes. I await the day I can go purge some heretics in the hive.

peak hamlet
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I love vraks

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The tactics were a little retarded tho

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And if they would have just exterminatus the planet right away they wouldn have lost 17 years plus a lot of guardsmen

dull flame
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Chaos Ogryn trying to hold a breaching drill back with his hands. RIP hands.

placid plank
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Where is this art coming from?

dull flame
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I've had it saved for a while. ๐Ÿ˜›

vagrant osprey
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The problem with the Alpha Legion is that they know that if the galaxy ever became peaceful then GW would kill it off and it would be the end of everything.

rotund siren
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Aha, of course

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Ingenius

vagrant osprey
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That's pretty chaotic loyalism.

open marsh
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A note on the Alpha Legion: you cant consider them 1 force. Some are loyal, some are not

crisp heath
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even the alpha legion doesn't know what the deal with the alpha legion is

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they call themselves legion probably precisely because they don't work as one

cunning lantern
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Also, it sounds cooler than a warband

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Or chapter

open marsh
coarse mirage
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Or are they?

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HMMM

open marsh
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bonk

distant harness
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alpha legion has honestly gone a bit too far with it imo

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like mystery is cool but when there's a faction that all you can say about them is "they're sneaky and sometimes do stuff for some reason" I dunno how much you can care about them lol

coarse mirage
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because nobody can write them

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They're extremely duplicious, plots within plots

coarse mirage
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It's like trying to write Cthulhu and the old gods. Their ways are unfathomable, extra dimensional, impossible to understand.

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Inhuman

storm jungle
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It does nothing but confirm like all the memes people have been making around them

final spruce
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I'm curious about the new Nurgle novel

plucky moth
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heard it's pretty sick

storm jungle
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Tbh if you are morbidly curious just google anything about "Alpharius Head of the Hydra spoilers"

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Stuff like how... ahem, ||ALPHARIUS WAS THE FIRST FOUND PRIMARCH BECAUSE IDK||

distant harness
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god what a bizarre twist that is

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same with only a few people knowing, including valdor for some reason?

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Definitely just gonna avoid reading it and steal opinions from the 40klore sub instead

vagrant osprey
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TBH, Alpharius and Omegon are probably both still alive.

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Which would be a hell of a twist, if it wasn't for the fact that nobody takes things at face value when it comes to the Alpha legion.

celest dome
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Alpharius is dead, Omegon even commented on it

open marsh
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Yeah. Alpharius is dead. Dead dead. Confirmed in universe and out

celest dome
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Blue Primarch (who killed Omegon) did say it didn't feel like killing one of his brother (meaning Omegon may be alive)

rotund siren
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Or is he? dun dun dUuuuun

final spruce
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Also "twist"

storm jungle
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Calling it now

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a hydra has 3 heads

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they're gonna reveal some stupid plot twist

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of a 3rd brother

rotund siren
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wiw

celest dome
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Malcador is the third

rotund siren
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wow

storm jungle
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metal gear style lol

final spruce
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Metal Gear ?!

sweet jacinth
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Psycho mantis?

final spruce
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LIQUID

sweet jacinth
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SNAKE!

final seal
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suh-naaaaaaaaaaake!

open marsh
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Brotherrrrr

vagrant osprey
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I'd believe Alpharius died if he wasn't confirmed to have died like 7 different times

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Although maybe he did die.

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It's possible he just slots himself into a new Alpha Legionnaire every time, like a working version of the black rage

final seal
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or horcrux

vagrant osprey
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The term is "phylactery" if you're not trying to be edgy :V

plush mason
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that word

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it must be compleatly made up

vagrant osprey
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Which one?

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I mean, ALL words are made up, but horcrux was made up super recently. Either because JK Rowling wanted a word she could trademark, or because she didn't know a word for that already existed. Maybe both, who knows?

crisp heath
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afaik you can only have 1 phylactery

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and the whole soul goes into it

open marsh
sweet jacinth
crisp heath
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polywarlockry

vagrant osprey
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Yes. And then he died for real again when fighting RB

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Omegon feels him die more than once, and the author says he's dead AF more than once.

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Dorn decapitates him

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HA! YOU THINK THIS IS MY REAL HEAD?

open marsh
vagrant osprey
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Didn't RB mention it later, though? Like, on his way to explore the Circatrix Maladictum?

open marsh
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Not that Im aware of

celest dome
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He does mention it, but he also say he can't really remember how it went

open marsh
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Need a source, cause I dont remember that. Or if I do, its on the extreme edges of my memory

celest dome
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I'm trying to find it but I may be wrong (Most likely wrong)

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Yay can't find it, must be wrong/fan made

open marsh
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I think the only mention of it is in the book Sons of the Hydra. A traitor AL believes "Alpharius" was killed on Eskandor. While a loyalist one knows that it's a lie and that Omegon is still alive and is trying to find him

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And unlike the traitor. The loyalist one knows it's Omegon. Indicating he has the actual intel

median sundial
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I think I heard something about an entity known as the
Voice of the Emperor. From what I gather itโ€™s some mysterious person or thing that just shows up from time to time and instigates wars and shit, am I right?

barren tapir
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Yes, kinda

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It was hinted to be a fallen, and maybe even cypher

median sundial
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Why does it make so much sense that the one doing this would be a Rouge Dark Angel?

vagrant osprey
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Because the Dark Angeles are second best at everything, including having questionable loyalties.

storm jungle
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Is this about the dark angels being traitors again?

vagrant osprey
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I can't think of a better explanation for why people transitioned the topic from Alpha Legion to Dark Angels.

median sundial
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I asked about the 'Voice of the Emperor' and Blank said it's hinted that it's the fallen, I then made a remark on how thay makes sense oddly.

open marsh
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It was likely Cypher

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Given his ability to escape from capture

median sundial
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What is with the Fallen anyway? They're lumped in with Chaos in the GW store but I dunno, they look too clean to be Chaos.

open summit
open marsh
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Basically, they were a group of Dark Angels legion who were under the command of the Legion's Second in Command: Luther.

Luther pretty much got played like a fiddle by Chaos and sought to make Caliban independent of the Imperium. This lead to a massive battle when the rest of the legion returned to the planet. Loyalist vs Traitor.

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The battle ended when a massive warp rift opened up, shattering the planet, and sending the traitors through time and space across the galaxy

median sundial
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So in essence, some guy got tricked by actual Chaos marines and then led a civil war on Caliban into a warp storm literally flung 'em across the galaxy. And since the Dark Angels are kinda paranoid they now scour everywhere so they can find all of their former brothers before they tumble the Imperium from the shadows Alpha Legion style.

barren tapir
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Some of them still fight chaos, some fully give themself to it

open marsh
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And the Dark Angels seek to hunt them down, where ever they appear for both pride and practical reasons. Pride in that they dont want the rest of the Imperium to know the shame that so many of their number turned traitor.

Practical in that they know that Imperial forces like the Inquisition are pretty grimderp and will likely mistake the Fallen for the current Dark Angels. So if they find out, then the Inquisition will likely go full "Kill them all, the Emperor will know his own"

barren tapir
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Nice hint to the ragged knight... Also the warp storm is hinted to be created by the DA of the future, in a extremely complex time loop paradox

open marsh
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Well it wasnt hinted. That was confirmed in Unforgiven. And its more complicated that than

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Yeah

barren tapir
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Eh, i like to be a bit more cautious, and not spoil anything

open marsh
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Summary of that:
||Caliban has a warp entity hiding deep beneath its surface. The Orouboros. Since before the Imperium found it. It was part of a triumverate of Chaos entities.
The Ouroboros
The Tuchulcha
The PlagueHeart

In late M41, The Fallen and the Death Guard conspired to bring these together and use the resulting warp disturbence to open a rift into the past. To bring the Fallen together into M41 as a unified legion||

open marsh
open marsh
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They just wont die

final spruce
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I have a hard time believing it but if its happens...

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Oh boy

vagrant osprey
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The Fallen are explicitly loyalists.
They are the Astartes the Emperor picked for his First Legion.
When Lion got it he decided he didn't trust the Emperor's people and left all of them to rot on Caliban while he went out with his own Astartes.
Then he came back and opened fire on them, and they mistook(?) it as being traitors attacking Caliban because word of Terra being attacked by traitors had just come through. The order was given for none of the Emperor's chosen Astartes to survive.
After the battle, the Lion decided to let Terra burn.

That's why people call the Dark Angels loyalists - because they kill people for being too closely aligned to the Emperor and leave him to die when he calls for their aid.

open summit
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The Lion's loyalty to the Emperor was absolute. It's been repeatedly confirmed that The Fallen are, in fact, traitors.

open marsh
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Yeah. "The Fallen are the real loyalists!" was said by Astelan. The same "loyalist" who was working with the Death Guard to form a new chaos legion called the "Death Angels"

open marsh
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Because, ya know, the Death Guard are oh so loyal

cloud kindle
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id say there are traitors and loyalists in the fallen

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and the dark angels just really need to come forth and admit the truth so they stop killing all witnesses

open marsh
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Mostly traitors. Or former traitors who realized their treason too late

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If you read the 40k Series by Dark Horse comics (Will of Iron, Revelations, Fallen). You see to see the perspective of a Fallen first hand. He is no loyalist.

proper helm
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So would a mechanicus facility have the aquila on it?

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I'm designing a roll20 map for a 40k game and the players are having the misfortune of meeting a magos

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and I want to make it look good

open marsh
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Mostly have the Cog Mechanicus

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There can be an occasional eagle or aquila. But is fairly uncommon

proper helm
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thank you!

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I'll put them off in the corners of the room, the magos is a traitor after all

open marsh
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If you play 40k: Space marine, you get to explore a Manufactorum in detail

proper helm
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oh sweet!

open marsh
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I dont remember seeing an eagle anywhere

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Only time Ive seen an eagle or aquila was on an ark mechanicus

proper helm
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a very unique looking one at that

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alright then, I think I'll just have one in front of the entrance like a big metal doormat

open marsh
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If the Magos is a traitor, why would he have an aquila?

proper helm
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Not openly a traitor yet, I'm just building his office

cloud kindle
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the ship wont function without it

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very proud ship

open marsh
proper helm
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yeah fair enough

glass cairn
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@vagrant osprey you convinced me

open summit
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Yes, Azmodai, the people who needed to repent were over here...

barren tapir
# open marsh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHUxjj_BNGM

This just say "well, yeah, we will get probably the IG up to date as models"... There is no reason to get cadians as something different from baseline trooper, and while yeah, they were well trained they weren't the only forstress world, nor the one that give amazing training to their regiments... If we go by the thing "they learn to shoot before learning to read" it is the same for catachans... Also very well trained IG regiments are the elysian one... IDK, probably it is just me, i don't like wold lord rho too

vast frigate
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What id like to see on the model side for the guard is interchangeable base models and upgrade kits

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Like, steel legion and dkok, cadia, mordian, valhallans etc, but base models

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With heavy weapons squads and infantry boxes etc and then upgrade kits to make specific regiments

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Indeed

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Like uh Base bodies: steel legion. , dkok upgrade kit; infantry. Gives you the dkok helmets and lasguns for 10 man plus 2 sergeant item setups

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Mordian iron guard base kit, vostroyan upgrade kit with laslocks and fuzzy hats, 2 sergeant items etc

sterile heron
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wait so is Dorn really dead ? or does he , you know S T O M P S T O M P

final spruce
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He used to be dead with his skeleton being used as a relic by the IF

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but it was changed to just a hand

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So he is currently in Limbo

sterile heron
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My primarch is not dead, for shame on you heretic ill be informing the most nearest inquisitor to your position await for extermination please and thank you

celest dome
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The only true death Primarch are Hawk Boi, Bat boi and Identity crisis boi Nยฐ1

barren tapir
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Corax isn't confirmed dead

celest dome
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I didn't put Crow Boi in my list

open marsh
celest dome
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though I didn't even knew he was suspected dead

celest dome
open marsh
celest dome
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But is it their own delusion (Blood Angel being as crazy as ever) ?

open marsh
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Nope

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Otherwise, when he appeared to Dante, it would have just been the Sanguinor. Since Dante believed that the Sanguinor was Sanguinius. But the Sanginor stepped aside and revealed the true Sanguinius to Dante

celest dome
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Sanguinor: Look again B

open marsh
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Basically. to summarize the scene it was like:

Sanguinor: appears

Dante: "Father, you finally came home!"

Sanguinor: "Uhh...I aint your daddy. He is." points behind him

Sanguinis: "Sup, kiddo?"

Dante: "!!!!!"

storm jungle
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Mixed with: JUST LET ME FUCKING DIE

open marsh
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โ€˜You came,โ€™ he said. His throat was dry, his lips numb. The beautiful voice that had inspired millions was a harsh whisper. โ€˜You came after all.โ€™

The Sanguinor kept its silence, but stood back and flung an arm wide to indicate a greater presence behind it. Danteโ€™s breath caught in his chest. Once again, he saw the face of Sanguinius, but this was no metal representation. The face was of flesh, the wings that spread either side of his body were white feathers,
not cold sculpture. His body was as real as his sorrow. He shone like a desert sun in the full glory of noon, a bringer of light dangerous in its incandescent power.

โ€˜My son,โ€™ Sanguinius said. โ€˜My greatest son.โ€™```
barren tapir
celest dome
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Sanguinus

coarse mirage
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since Sanguinius is worshipped as the best son

open marsh
cloud kindle
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It could be

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We knows theres a part of him trapped on the vengeful spirit

open marsh
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That seems more like a warp echo

cloud kindle
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Could be

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Though since the primarchs are pretty warpy themselves

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Possibility is there

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Maybe like a fragment of his soul

coarse mirage
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cloud kindle
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Would pet

odd sparrow
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we're expecting one legendary lord per chaos daemons faction, so i assume it'll just be skarbrand for khorne

crisp heath
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yall, what do people who privately own large void-capable ships do with them. it seems, despite the fact that there would have to be a major crew, like it would feel quite empty

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if you don't have like a family there

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or a large number of buddies

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what do inquisitors or rogue traders do with them

open marsh
final spruce
crisp heath
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and for the inquisition

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the next chapter i write will be on a ship like that so if you don't have like, a private army

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what do you do with a ship

final spruce
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Well the Inquisition depends which branch your inquisitor is part off

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But I'm not too knowledgeable about inquisitors so my answers would be short or not accurate

crisp heath
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malleus

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besides having like, his library, interrogation facility, and lockbox for daemonic weapons and heretical tomes

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and probably a lot of tech-adepts and cogitators for parsing and sorting data

final spruce
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It depends what size category your ship is

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Rogue trader has a lot of things about ships

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Is it a smaller scouting vessel, or a large war one etc

crisp heath
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light cruiser

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dauntless class light cruiser

final spruce
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Well you definitely won't be doing Exterminatus with a light cruiser but you'd be well enough to travel around without being noticed too much

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So maybe more as a mobile base of operation I'd say

crisp heath
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yeah

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not every inquisitor has access to an exterminatus anyway

final spruce
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You can have a lot of things in your light cruiser, you could have trophy room, cafรฉ room, medical rooms etc

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It all depends what your inquisitor likes and values

crisp heath
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what if you're boring, like to exercise, mindrape prisoners, lock heretical objects away, argue with daemonic swords, and not waste money

final spruce
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Well a reliquary sounds like a must have with hidden rooms

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Torture chamber aswell

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Especially if he is the kind of Malleus to create daemonhosts

crisp heath
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not yet...

final spruce
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But keep in mind all i'm mentionning is things that RT gives you to customize your own ship

open marsh
crisp heath
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he just has a daemonic sabre that hates his guts

final spruce
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Definitely something I'd put in a room with a heavy amount of explosive inside that I could detach from my ship

crisp heath
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wielding the sabre goes like:
"corpse-cock-sucker"
"glorified spike dildo"
"hypocritical, perverted sadist"
"impotent choleric toothpick"

final spruce
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Lovely

rotund siren
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What kind and playful banter between friends :)

final spruce
open marsh
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Bunkers here cost in the millions

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Realistically. I will never in my life be able to afford one

rotund siren
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damn

crisp heath
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also, do you have any records of daemonic weapons that usually have a set form taking the form of a different weapon?

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like something that's usually a sword being found also as an axe

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I'm stuck on not wanting to give him an implausible arsenal but. This is 40k and its sooo extra.

final spruce
crisp heath
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So the dreadaxe-sabre, a boltpistol or some shit like that, probably a regular power sword

final spruce
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Well daemon weapons are made by multiple means

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Could just be one heretek that was too avant garde and it could be a feasible explanation

crisp heath
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Yep

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And the sabre is salty bc other dreadaxes think being a sabre is a pussy ass move

final spruce
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I know freebootas that'd kill for a nice sabre

open marsh
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I know freebootas that'd kill for a cool coffee mug

final spruce
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They'd do alot of things for cool stuff

crisp heath
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Ordo malleus. Move aside the daemons come first

open marsh
final spruce
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That's orks for you

limpid hedge
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And we wouldnโ€™t love them any other way

narrow spear
odd sparrow
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Wat

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What lore did they screw exactly

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Ur sentiment is correct btw but

atomic pelican
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Ye nothing in DT confirmed so far directly conflicts with lore

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I'd say it's moreso "It can fit with some stretch" rather than "fuck it"

narrow spear
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I mean, he mentions lore fuckery twice

cloud kindle
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what lore fuckery hath been committed

narrow spear
#

Well he mentions the weapons, and having to squint a bit, if you really want to get nitty gritty, even the Godwin-De'az bolter wouldn't be avalible to conscripted prisoners and most lore allowing guard to even weild bolters was retconned, but my assumption by his quote is we would likely be able to use some obscure weapons, he also mentions later, that to paraphrase gameplay > lore adherance. Which they sorta proved with the addition of Shade / Bret knight to a lesser degree in V2

atomic pelican
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I'm p sure there are human-made bolters which commissars wield

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no reason a guardsman couldn't wield it

narrow spear
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Arbites actually use a different botler type, same for guard, I would have to check the name tho, there are 2 smaller bolter varieties

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the De'az and the uhhhh...

open marsh
narrow spear
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forgot the name, regardless, most of those weapon options were removed from tabletop

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no the De'za is the one I know, there is another

limpid hedge
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There will probably be some reason or another that we will be able to use bolters.

odd sparrow
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Cus daddy inquisitor says we can

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Ez

limpid hedge
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Itโ€™s kinda the iconic 40k weapon

open marsh
narrow spear
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^ true, and inquisitional stormtroopers used to be able to use them, but not anymore

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now its all Hellguns

limpid hedge
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yeah. You can get away with a lot of shit when papa inquisitor is around

narrow spear
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unless they changed stuff up again, in the few years i've been on hiatus from tabletop

open marsh
# narrow spear now its all Hellguns

I hate they made Hellguns and Hotshot Lasguns the same thing.

Hellguns: basically LMG lasguns.

Hotshot Lasguns: DMR lasguns.

instead they just made them the same thing now :l

narrow spear
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yeah feelsbadman

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remember when Hellguns were assault 2?

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pewpewpewpewpew

open marsh
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Nope. I dont play the tabletop. Im a lore guy

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๐Ÿ˜„

narrow spear
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Either way

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If we get bolters, I feel like that opens the floodgates

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to we should be able to play has nearly anything sans Astartes

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although it would be hillarious to just have 1 of your 4 players be fucking YUGE

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just 3 guardsmen and 1 of these

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lmao

limpid hedge
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I wouldnโ€™t think we would get to play as an astartes

narrow spear
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oh 0 chance

limpid hedge
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Yeah

narrow spear
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and im glad thats the case

limpid hedge
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Yeah

open marsh
narrow spear
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now... Battle Sister I think is viable

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should just be a career path for the priest girl

narrow spear
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ez money

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I mean

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they are just normal humans

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and if we get bolters anyway

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who cares

limpid hedge
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Ye

narrow spear
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Again, from a lore perspective, shade existing in V2, is like me playing as a tyranid in Darktide

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so

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1 sister of battle please.

cloud kindle
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ogryn will be more than

atomic pelican
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It's not that big of a stretch

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There are wood elves who worship Khaine

cloud kindle
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more fun than astartes sorry had a stroke

narrow spear
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Ok...

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so

cloud kindle
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ngl having a sister of battle in darktide would be great

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sister of battle and ogryn buddy

narrow spear
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Shades are a specific group of seperatist dark elves hailing from a specific city, in Naggaroth that basically inbreed in the backwoods and hate everyone else

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also Khaine worship is very different in wood elf vs dark elf standards

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Khaine is the god of battle, war, honor, courage, to most elves, where as Dark Elves embrace his more vile attributes of murder, and wanton bloodshed. Also Dark Elves are mega racist.

plucky moth
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tbh tyranid in darktide would be like, playing a khornite norscan in VT

atomic pelican
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Yeee

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That

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It's not that big of a stretch

plucky moth
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Shade is like, vampire saltzpyre levels of stretch

narrow spear
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^

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thats fair

plucky moth
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although vamp saltz is kinda...he'd not take well to GK being in the game

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or all the fire from sienna

narrow spear
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I mean an entire bretonian province is a bunch of vampires

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also some prior elector counts

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annnnd a bunch of nobles in the Empire

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they are just sneakyfucks

plucky moth
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I mean yeah and they don't take well to burning or grail knights either ๐Ÿ˜›

weak fern
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For me Saltz gonna be a Warrior Priest of Sigmar

narrow spear
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truuuuuue

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I bet on WP yeah

plucky moth
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but yeah Shade is defo a mad lore stretch, as is handmaiden tbh

weak fern
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Kerri, maybe Wardancer or Amazon

plucky moth
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but it seems careers are to be interpreted more as alternate timelines

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than actual character progressions

limpid hedge
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Yeah. You canโ€™t really jump from a hunter to a grail knight

narrow spear
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yeah

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which is wild that they didnt give sienna a different magic lore

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cause 3x fire is boring as shit

weak fern
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Plot twist Saltz became a Agent of Malal

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XD

plucky moth
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tbf humans switching lores of magic probably wouldn't get GW approval

ancient kayak
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And there the problem of a lot more work and a lot of staffs in theory

plucky moth
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well actually scratch that, alternate timeline Sienna I guess would work

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but then you lose over 90% of her arsenal

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and a fuckload of dialogue

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you'd also have to change Sienna's base design a lot

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like just her character model

weak fern
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Maybe for Sienna, Metal mage, i remember she have a dialogue for......Balthazar Gelt, maybe

plucky moth
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way tooo much to do for what will be like a $10 dlc

narrow spear
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yeah I mean

limpid hedge
narrow spear
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not for her 4th career I mean why didnt they do it off the bat

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like instead of pyro and unchained

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they should of done 3x schools

plucky moth
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unless she wants to get 3rd degree burns

narrow spear
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battle wizard obv being the primary

plucky moth
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yeah but I guess that means still providing 3 different staff sets

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FS probs couldn't figure out a reasonable method to deal with that logistically

limpid hedge
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They could have done a unique staff for each lore of magic

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And then have some general ones

narrow spear
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yeah

limpid hedge
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Like how only the slayer can use the 2 axes

ancient kayak
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I feel they also had her set in official lore as a fire wizard as well and a lot of her personality is based on that

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Including her evolving back story

weak fern
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And She became a High Mage of Fire because she 1v1 a Elven Wizzard and she win and Kerri get mad

plucky moth
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there's still quite a few fire spells we've not touched yet

weak fern
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Yes...

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hehehehehehhehe

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Remember of some miss click with Fire Mage in Total War Warhammer

narrow spear
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Cathay is in total war 3

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which is fucking

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wild

weak fern
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Yes

limpid hedge
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Yes

weak fern
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With Kislev

narrow spear
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yeah well no one cares about them

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but Cathay

ancient kayak
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But Ogre Kingdoms not base ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

narrow spear
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visual representation after like 30 years

atomic pelican
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Ogre Kingdoms probably dlc

weak fern
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Kisleeeeeeeeeeeeeeev

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AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanh

atomic pelican
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Since they had a 8e book, CA did say they were gonna do every army with a 8e book

limpid hedge
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Yeah. Same with chaos dwarfs

narrow spear
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race pack is preorder bonus

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its gonna be ogre kingdoms

ancient kayak
weak fern
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Wait

ancient kayak
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Some speculation as it could be Chaos dwarfs but I feel itโ€™s more likely Ogre

weak fern
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They will add both

atomic pelican
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Iirc Ogres did fight with Kislev alot in fluff

weak fern
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Ogre can be played in Kislev and Cathay, cuz Ogres kindoms are betwen them

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So the Ogre DLC will be the first

limpid hedge
weak fern
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XD

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Better wait 20 years for Beastmen yes

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XD

limpid hedge
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Ye

ancient kayak
weak fern
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Oh

narrow spear
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Beastmen are in game tho

weak fern
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Never know that

plucky moth
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Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos Dwarves are both likely to happen

limpid hedge
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They need a re work. They needed one more that the wood elves did

atomic pelican
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Imo Beastmen should've been the other half of the Twisted/Twilight

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Rather than skaven

plucky moth
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We already have

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so much skaven

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lmao

atomic pelican
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Yep

plucky moth
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don't get me wrong, playing as them is fun as hell but...

limpid hedge
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Yeah

ancient kayak
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Dwarfs have also not been updated in almost as long as beastmen

weak fern
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Skyre

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With Atomic bomb

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XD

ancient kayak
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Last dwarf one I donโ€™t count as it added the forge thing

limpid hedge
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Broodhorror + molecular instability ๐Ÿฅฒ

ancient kayak
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Tacked on the side of the empire updated

weak fern
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Do the Dwarf have almost same tech than Skaven ? Like Gatling ? Jezzail ?

ancient kayak
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Not really

atomic pelican
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Yeah the dwarf forge was basically just the TK mortuary cult scrapped back into the dwarfs

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so it's boring still

ancient kayak
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There engineer guilds donโ€™t like new tec

weak fern
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xD

atomic pelican
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Dwarf tech is held back by their traditionalism, It's a p big part of their conflicts in fluff

limpid hedge
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The ratties are the only one with mini guns

weak fern
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They are Mars cult

ancient kayak
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Dwarfs need Shield bearers mounts

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And I would like to see Grudge stones but I doubt that will appear due to it making your lord not able to move

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There just that ability in game atm

celest dome
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Shard Dragon

final spruce
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Someone mentioned guards not having access to boltguns while being a tabletop guy

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Whomever you are, dude you forgot that sergeants can switch their laspistol + chainsword combo for a boltgun

plush mason
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its a much smaller version tho

final spruce
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It's one of the human patterns yes

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Instead of being .75 its .60

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Which is still an impressive caliber

open marsh
final spruce
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And it seems Darktide did that since we have powerhammer

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Literally human sized thunder hammers

open marsh
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Astartes have power hammers too

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Like the Dark Angels Corvus Hammers

final spruce
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Is it one chapter specific weapon or are all Astartes chapters equipped with power hammers ?

plush mason
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they all have a version iirc

final spruce
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The Corvus hammer is literally a power bec-de-corbin lmao

plush mason
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thunderhammers are a little different

open marsh
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Thunderhammers are just power hammers on steroids

final spruce
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No wonder they are used by the Ravenwing

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The names fit too much

open marsh
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Probably named after the Ravenwing

coarse mirage
plush mason
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i go there to laugh from time to time

final spruce
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No no it was said by the Please SoB guy

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In this very chat

plush mason
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oof

final spruce
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When I quickly scrolled

coarse mirage
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Are they gone?

final spruce
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I saw in general like 20 minutes ago

coarse mirage
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Some times people just drop in and leave

final spruce
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I can ping him so he is still in the server

thick shadow
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I hate imperial. WE MUST FORCE THE METRICS!

final spruce
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I agree

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Just use meters dummy

cerulean wagon
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and was wrong on almost everything

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tried to say it wasnt a plague ogryn cause they had never seen a plague ogryn in their wopping 2 years of TT experience

final spruce
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I mean he said Tabletop guards dont have boltguns

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Squad sergeants that are chosen of the spot have access to boltguns

cerulean wagon
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yup

final seal
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seems might be an old model to fit mag in old pouches for autogun mags

cerulean wagon
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ye they exist

thick shadow
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It just old tradition thingy. Probably.

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I want bolt-ingram-10

final seal
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ripper pistol?

thick shadow
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And las-ingram-10 too.

final seal
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i was thinking the one sly marbo uses

thick shadow
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Or las/bolt uzi

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Bolt Glock and Las Glock too.

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Tiny bolts

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Still would better than that only kicked once by explosion.

final seal
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i think autoweapons are phased out in the current revision, cant find any

thick shadow
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๐Ÿ˜”

storm jungle
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@cerulean wagon Skelly!

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Explain what ripperguns are to me and what makes them so wanted by everyone?

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[curious ogryn noises]

cerulean wagon
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imagine right

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if you had a fully automatic 20mm cannon

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but instead of bullets its giant buckshot shotgun shells

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and the weapon also doubles up as a melee weapon

storm jungle
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okay that does sound pretty good

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i only know them from DoW so i was curious

sweet jacinth
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it essentially shreds people in it's projectile path. or more like rips them?

storm jungle
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ah, a ripper gun then if you will

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now it all makes sense!

sweet jacinth
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i mean the naming convention is not that consistent. you got bolters that bolt people? or are the bullets considered bolts too?

distant harness
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they're actually just guns that are pretty good, but were named by australians

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nothing to do with actually ripping things

storm jungle
sweet jacinth
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wait ur telling me the sawbar from borderlands doesn't actually saws bars but actually is a combo between to machinguns s.a.w. and b.a.r.? man you ruined my fun

distant harness
atomic pelican
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Let 'em rip

cerulean wagon
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but as with all 40k things standardisation isnt complete

thick shadow
eternal ledge
mint crest
coarse mirage
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They should've done the emperors sword

mint crest
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its just a shame that the blade profile is impractical and the spear itself is ridiculously heavy.

cloud kindle
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it was never meant for us mortal men

open marsh
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^

storm jungle
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best point yeah

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but i think Jiggly means used by regular people, but i guess if it was made for normal use it wouldnt be as cool without being primarch-sized