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#40k-lore-chat
odd sparrow
coarse mirage
A lot of it is produced in China too.
odd sparrow
oh yeah tomatoes are delicious
but ketchup is awful
this has been my ted talk
fuck ketchup
plucky moth
A good talk
rotund siren
How did y'all go from talking about bolters to talking about tomatoes and ketchup?
A metaphor
huh
plucky moth
I'm just that powerful
rotund siren
Yeah, guess so
vagrant osprey
Bolter sizes are extremely inconsistent and make no sense. It's not helped by the fact that bolters themselves only make sense if a particularly dumb fan theory is true.
Specifically: Bolter rounds are produced from STC templates, but the bolters themselves were designed by the Emperor.
The kicker charge is much too strong for a human, the gyrojet for spin stabilization doesn't make sense for something with a conventional charge, and the fact they're full of depleted deuterium (A VERY specific substance) makes literally no sense.
... unless the bolter rounds were designed to be fired from a vehicle-mounted railgun. Those need a kicker charge to keep the round from spot-welding to the rails, the gyrojet is required for spin stabilization since rails literally can't do that, and depleted deuterium would work for inertial-confinement fusion.
Basically, Bolters make sense if you assume they were intended to be tiny bullets fired out of railguns that have a nuclear explode yield of about ~20kt - and yes, I did do the math on that.
rotund siren
wow, sick
but also stupid
guess it's another instance of the rule of cool killing science
and logic
smoky breach
How dangerous would bolters be if we go with this explanation? Nvm I found the answer.
final spruce
Whatever their size, youre still facing a full auti rifle firing .60 miniature grenades if its a human sized bolter and .75 if space marine sized
celest dome
How dangerous would bolters be if we go with this explanation? Nvm I found the a...
Gyroget gun have been created in RL but aren't used because they don't really have a big advantage over regular ammo, though there are other Gyroget analog [Panzerfaust] that are reserved for tank and armoured carrier
crisp heath
i would say that it's very unrealistic to assume all bolters have a standard and set round if you consider the sheer scale of the imperium and the number of forgeworlds and factories producing this stuff. even the admech is not powerful enough to stop some discrepancies, some deviations - an stc for a slightly different bolter round is found! oh no your factory got something slightly mixed up... never mind, this bolter, almost identical to the other already existing 20 bolter patterns will have a slight change. there is an stc to refer to, it's not tech-heresy. and shit gets lost and mixed up in 10 000 years a lot...
expecting total internal consistency between the patterns of anything that isn't made in the same factory during a relatively short time period is unrealistic
even 200 years later the same forgeworld may be producing shit with a slight deviation from the original stemming possibly from something as simple as one part of the manufacturing line being replaced or a different mining world sourcing some of the metals resulting in a minor difference to the alloys used
celest dome
They also improve their stuff (secretly for the bigger change and publicly for the smaller improvement)
vagrant osprey
guess it's another instance of the rule of cool killing science
TBH? It makes total sense. Thronebutt remembers these sick-nasty weapons that could blow up capital ships back before people figured out void shields, and finds the ammo for them. He doesn't understand how the weapons worked, so he kitbashes something together. It doesn't do what it's supposed to, but it's deadly enough for his forces. He claims to have invented it all to be exactly like that, even though the STCs that keep cropping up show he was talking out his ass.
Emps fucked himself over by being extremely arrogant and prideful. His entire story arc can be defined by the word "Hubris".
vagrant osprey
Thanks!
sweet jacinth
holy crap that thing must burn your hands right off
final seal
lol yeah
open marsh
Im glad that the Lion's Wrath's appearance got retoconned. Because, like that, it wouldnt fire
Here is how it looks in a newer image
cedar terrace
plush mason
the mag looks a little small to me
coarse mirage
bulpoop
final spruce
Thats it, fuck you ! Bullpups your bolter
coarse mirage
talk about unbalanced
odd sparrow
nah ogryns reproduce by mitosis
plush mason
so they are much more mutant than i thought
ngl their lore would be both simpler and better if they where just the result of some IG genemodding program
turning normal guardsmen into big brutes
odd sparrow
i was memeing they just reproduce normally. They're functionally just bigger, dumber humans
odd sparrow
ye
plush mason
i really hope no art of them exists.....
odd sparrow
i mean, it's kinda hard to sexualize an ogryn to be fair
they have the proportions of a swole 2 year old
celest dome
There were some minis of them going around but I think they were kitbashed on the Ogre Cheerleader from Bloodbowl
crisp heath
i really hope no art of them exists.....
final spruce
Well females ogryns look very similar to normal ogryns with the females attributes being a little larger in general
plush mason
lol
final spruce
There is little sex dismorphy within the ogryn specie
plush mason
good
barren tapir
When i think of ogryn women i think of ellie from borderlands
weak fern
X)
plush mason
i dont want to know
crisp heath
hawt
prisma lark
it's not like the Ogryn from the gameplay trailer doesn't look like Brick already, so Ellie would feel right at home
crisp heath
I like larger women, so Ogryn/Ogor women sound enticing.
royal dagger
crisp heath
Plus, for the Ogors, I prefer the savage freedom Gorkamorka's Destruction espouses over the "witch hunter looking down your back" of Order and sheer evil of Death and Chaos.
Quick Google search for Female Ogryn, and I found a Pretty Ogryn and a Ratling, too!
some1 explain pls how genestealers get so huge numbers
rotund siren
sneaky brain magic
also genetic interchanging
1 genestealer -> 1 host. Host now has genestealer genes. Host has fun times with human, human now has genestealer genes.
repeat ad nauseum
infected have children
those children have genestealer genes, do the same thing as their parents
and so it goes
for 4 generations
the 4th is genestealers again, because reasons
these genestealers then spread again
rotund siren
yes
crisp heath
human do sex
rotund siren
yes
crisp heath
is human mind controlled?
rotund siren
yes
rotund siren
mhmm
rotund siren
yes
crisp heath
Sex or weird tounge injection
rotund siren
nope
crisp heath
secks
rotund siren
only genestealers, or patriarchs as you called them, can tongue
vagrant osprey
Unrelated to the weird hornyposting going on now: I want to see the BL publish a book where an Astartes is undercover in a hive city, and everybody just assumes he's a very well spoken Ogryn in carapace armor because nobody believes Astartes actually exist. There's only about 100,000 Astartes in the entire Imperium, and most planets will go thousands of years without seeing a single one.
rotund siren
next baby is 1/2 human 1/2 genestealer
after that, third generation is 3/4 human 1/4 genestealer
vagrant osprey
Solstice: And the generation after THAT is 100% genestealer.
crisp heath
baby is genestealer
rotund siren
Solstice: And the generation after THAT is 100% genestealer.
YEP
rotund siren
4 generations
vagrant osprey
Babby was geneSTOLer
vagrant osprey
Quite.
vagrant osprey
4th generation genestealers are pure genestealers
rotund siren
Alright. Genestealer -> Human. Human have baby. Baby 3/4 genestealer. Baby grow up, have kid. Kid of Baby is 1/2 genestealer. Kid of Baby grow up, have Child. Child is 1/4 genestealer. Child grow up, have full Genestealer again.
crisp heath
oh so
genestealer
half genestealer
quarter genestealer
alitlle genestealer
full genestealer
rotund siren
yeah
distant harness
Unrelated to the weird hornyposting going on now: I want to see the BL publish a...
I'm fairly sure there's something similar to that with a custodes posing as a genebulked worker, but I have a feeling it's not a full on story.
storm jungle
but is mutated
Im pretty sure we explained this to you a month ago
and you tied it to fetuses being eaten by chestbursters for some reason lol
storm jungle
I dont get what that has to do with Turkey but ok
crisp heath
🇦🇺🇧🇿
storm jungle
Okay?
storm jungle
Yes thats the link of the flag
crisp heath
what flag i this
dim totem
Is Belize a country? I thought it was a city
vagrant osprey
Belize was featured promenently in the theme song to the Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego gameshow
Early 90s public broadcasting trivia.
dim totem
Ah
storm jungle
A lot better than Wacko's world thats for sure lol
dim totem
Well all my geographical k owledge stems from playing knights of honor as a kid so yah
It's bad
plush mason
so
how does the imperium explain the fact that the imperial truth and the imperial cult are total opposites?
or has the imperial cult destroyed the imperial truth?
barren tapir
The Imperial Truth is considered heretical by the 41 millennium
barren tapir
The cult didn't really destroyed the Imperial Truth, it slowly faded away, then growing cult declared it heretical
plush mason
is now heresy
barren tapir
No no, the Imperial Truth didn't found the imperial cult
barren tapir
It was the lectitio divinatus that created what would became the imperial cult
barren tapir
But yes, it is quite ironic that something penned by the emperor is considered heretical by his religious followers
plush mason
that was lorgar's plan
he would destroy his father's work by using his own people
the imperial cult is why the imperium is dying
barren tapir
But with guillaman return we could maybe see a return of the Imperial Truth, although not in a short time nor in a very common way
plush mason
he will need to cut lorgar's cancer from it before to long
barren tapir
Lorgar deeply believed that religion was a good thing for humans
plush mason
he was wrong
crisp heath
lorgar was a bitch tho
barren tapir
Yes to both
plush mason
guillaman should do it just like TTS emperor did
barren tapir
Lorgar grew on a theocratic planet, he really believe that religion is a necessary thing for people... Sadly he didn't realized that it is not
plush mason
agreed
barren tapir
guillaman should do it just like TTS emperor did
He is more diplomatic than that
barren tapir
But we know that he protect people who kinda follow the Imperial Truth, even if they may not know about it
So, just people who use their brains
plush mason
using one's brain in the 41st millium is a fairly unhealthy thing
thats what happens when brain dead zelots rule
if the emperor ever does wake back up
trillions will die in his rage
and all of it will be just
coarse mirage
at the same time, strong believes have faith magic
plush mason
and it will be that veery faith that allows big e to kill them all
rn big e is more likely to wipe out all humanity
as it is doubtfull he will see in the humans what he once saw in them
and all his love and hope for humanity will die
and that is why guillaman is not looking to wake him up anytime soon
coarse mirage
I remember reading that Girlyman didn't recognize daddy
But that's what it'd do to you
Yet at the same time, the Emperor sends out Celestine
If the CHaos gods were a little nicer they'd have no problem with recruitment
crisp heath
faith and the imperial truth need not necessarily be an antithesis of one another, you can have faith in humanity and the emperor as a sort of avatar of its virtue, but act rationally rather than blindly reciting hymns.
storm jungle
Yet at the same time, the Emperor sends out Celestine
Yeah but thats because Celestine is a good tool
Big E cares about the big picture, not individuals
minus his golden boys
barren tapir
As it is now they are... The Imperial Truth is about removing every and all religions and superstitions that plague mankind
marsh grail
faith and the imperial truth need not necessarily be an antithesis of one anothe...
Now let’s not do anything drastic.
storm jungle
👀
plush mason
The Imperial Truth is considered heretical by the 41 millennium
wait so that meens almost all LSM chapters are heretics?
barren tapir
Yes, kinda... Many of the SM chapters didn't worship the emperor as a god, and the ecclesiarchy isn't too happy about that, but they also don't go around saying that Big E shouldn't be worshipped either, so no big deal... Also there is the fact that the SM are seen as the angels of death of the emperor, so saying they are heretics can be somewhat counterproductive... This doesn't mean that doesn't happen...
plush mason
cough space wolves cough
barren tapir
Yup, but then there are also the balck templars, which are really friendly with the ecclesiarchy
But even so they are still very much independent, and seem to respect the independence of other loyalist chapters
plush mason
really friendly is an emperor sized understatement
as they are 1 of the 2 chapters that follow the cult
and the irony that they are from the line of Dorn who was ofc the most athist of the primarchs is quite a tasty one i do say
and why Dorn didnt just smash lorgar's head in i will never know btw
coarse mirage
burning birds
coarse mirage
I've now finished The Infinite and the Divine, it was pretty good
coarse mirage
I've been thinking about the Dark Angels
open marsh
Excellent
coarse mirage
They don't seem to be that ambigous, they're definitely loyalists
The Fallen always seem to be traitors in some way or other
open marsh
Yeah. The "Dark Angels are traitors! The Fallen are loyalists!" Is a meme that came from a story where a Fallen tried to make that claim
barren tapir
Maybe not all fallen are traitors... Cypher in particular... He both blam loyalist and chaos servants without distinction... And if my info are correct he also recovered the lion helm and other relics of the chapter master for the DA
coarse mirage
Listening to a book about primaris trying to fit in with the DA's
Chaos kills Chaos all the time though
Doesn't prove anything
open marsh
Maybe not all fallen are traitors... Cypher in particular... He both blam loyali...
There is the occasional loyalist Fallen. But Cypher isn't one of them.
Example is in the novel Unforgiven, where he tried to team up with Typhus to bring the Fallen (as a legion) from Caliban's past into 40k
barren tapir
Chaos kills Chaos all the time though
Good point
barren tapir
Example is in the novel Unforgiven, where he tried to team up with Typhus to bri...
Didn't he bailed out at the last moment before that could be done though? I didn't pay much attention to SM so maybe i misunderstood stuff
open marsh
After it was obvious that the plan was fucked
barren tapir
IDK, to me it looked like that Cypher knew that the plan wouldn't have worked but that warp storm was what created the fallen, and that it was necessary to do... But this is mostly my headcanon about him
open marsh
He tried to make it happen. When another Fallen was about to confess the plan to the DA, Cypher assassinated him
plush mason
ummm doest he have the lion's sword?
and didnt he help bring papasmurf back?
i mean i know he isnt a loyalist
but i dont think he is a traitor
ofc thats kinda most fallen
who does he serve?
barren tapir
and didnt he help bring papasmurf back?
Yes, he helped free guillman when he was imprisoned by the red corsairs
plush mason
didnt he help wake him up too?
plush mason
k
barren tapir
There were also other people, like calgar that was fisting chaos people, and tigurius who was frying them, but cawl and yvraine woke up guillman
plush mason
btw someone told me cypher is the only dark angle that knows the lion is in the rock
crisp heath
What are the drukari spider things
What is their origin
And what do they do
Humonculus
plush mason
dont ask
crisp heath
Why
plush mason
those things are beond gross
barren tapir
btw someone told me cypher is the only dark angle that knows the lion is in the ...
Maybe you are confusing him with luther, which seems to know that the lion are in the rock sleeping... Or maybe both know
crisp heath
Why gross
plush mason
i dont count luther as a dark angle
crisp heath
They seem like reasonable people
plush mason
.................................
barren tapir
He is the first fallen
barren tapir
But then all fallen are dark angels
barren tapir
Eh, i don't know... What i know is that he seemed to have gone mad after fighting with the lion
plush mason
thats why the fallen exist like they do
barren tapir
And that he seems to look for redemption, but from the lion
But now he is gone
Who know where
plush mason
yeah he powers he drew apone in his battle with the lion drove him made
and then pulled the part of caliban his forces where on into the warp
cuz caliban had a massive greater demon in it
but anyway
most of the fallen still believe they where in the right
barren tapir
Who know, maybe they are indeed right, and both sides are in the right... After all it was just a huge misunderstanding
coarse mirage
Russle Jimmies
open marsh
Yes, he helped free guillman when he was imprisoned by the red corsairs
He did that in a ploy to get close to Big E
plush mason
to do what with him?
barren tapir
Who knows... But he managed to escape the custodes custody... And now they are looking for him too
Cannot wait to have a three way fight between some fallens, the custodes and the dark angels
plush mason
umm isnt their only a few 100 fallen left?
coarse mirage
with Dork Angels getting their asses destroyed
storm jungle
Humonculus
The Haemonculi?
storm jungle
Itts not that hard
plush mason
they are not exatly.....family friendly
barren tapir
We don't he is smart enough to figure out how and where to find info
barren tapir
Thank you Mistress
storm jungle
like id explain it all jokes aside but considering its Flesh he'd probably put up his meme persona and ignore half of it
so
plush mason
fair
rotund siren
I mean, I was able to explain GSC to him, after 2 tries
plush mason
just tell him about the torture engines >:)
storm jungle
I mean, I *was* able to explain GSC to him, after 2 tries
Good point...
plush mason
ofc he might b in to that stuff so maybe thats not a good idea
crisp heath
What are they
storm jungle
@crisp heath
They proclaim that the infliction of this is one of the highest arts, if not the highest, and gleefully create choruses of screams and wails of agony whilst taking delight in every aspect of the discomfort of anyone unfortunate enough to fall under their blades. Haemonculi are also known as master manipulators of flesh, able to create horrific monstrosities and regenerate Dark Eldar slain in battle, provided enough of the body remains. Because of this, dark eldar of status will often make pacts with haemonculi, promising them fresh captives for their cruel art in exchange for medical treatment, biological enhancements, and even being brought back from the dead.[1] Like most Dark Eldar groups they form into factions, known as Haemonculi Covens.
The first Haemonculi were originally the masters of the ancient Eldar Empire.
Doctor Frankenstein + Pinhead from Hellraiser but multiplied by 10x
open marsh
umm isnt their only a few 100 fallen left?
Source?
plush mason
its been t long i cant remember
open marsh
Because I'm pretty sure there are thousands
storm jungle
You mean [as many as GW wants]
plush mason
^
open marsh
There were what...close to 20,000 Fallen by the fall of Caliban
plush mason
yeah and most are still in the warp iirc
open marsh
Well they aren't in the warp. They were just scattered throughout time. (Forward wise)
plush mason
hell the alpha legion has used rumors of possible fallen angle sightings to draw off the dark angles
open marsh
And before the Fallen, that could be done with rumors of Thunder Warriors
barren tapir
Lion really sucked at his job
We should remember that the legions were F huge, and even a small portion of them would still be huge in the 41 millennium... 20000 people were nothing in the 30K era
plush mason
btw iirc the tech priests hate the orks mostly cuz there is just no logical reason anything they make should work
but it does
open marsh
?
storm jungle
They are female?
odd sparrow
hell yea witchcraft
storm jungle
😎
rotund siren
witchcraft bestcraft
plucky moth
wish it worked
odd sparrow
absolutely
plucky moth
or maybe I'm just doing it wrong 
rotund siren
aren't we all
odd sparrow
no wrong way to do witchcraft, but murder does help
plucky moth
having a hexistential crisis
rotund siren
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
odd sparrow
brb gonna check for any severe hexes i can cast on incan in retribution for these puNs
plucky moth
odd sparrow
do i need to know his like, full name for them to work or can i settle for other stuff
rotund siren
check using the hex-adecimal system
odd sparrow
can u get someone to send a request to an IP grabber and use the address for casting
it is unique
sweet jacinth
need full name for proper curse
odd sparrow
hm heck
plucky moth
proud of you solstice
sweet jacinth
oh no
odd sparrow
solstice is also being cursed
rotund siren
uwu
plush mason
brb gonna check for any severe hexes i can cast on incan in retribution for thes...
tbf all puns are bad
so you had good reason
all puns must be punished imho
plush mason
no
rotund siren
oh yes
rotund siren
if you say so
sweet jacinth
there can be such a thing as a unintended pun
truth be told we all are slaves to the occasional unintended puns. there is no escape. only the void
rotund siren
There is no loot in these darkened depths, only puns
plush mason
truth be told we all are slaves to the occasional unintended puns. there is no e...
i know this sad fact all to well
verbal nest
Can ogryns be psykers
final spruce
I don't believe the lore mentions one
verbal nest
Shame
Could really do with an ogryn psyker
Also, have orks ever teamed up with humans, and what happened after
storm jungle
Ogryn psykers could logically exist
The problem is they'd be put down since nobody would want to bother with them or even put them in blackships sailing back to Terra where normal human psykers are usually trained lol
final spruce
Also, have orks ever teamed up with humans, and what happened after
It has happened multiple times and usually ended up with Orks fighting the humies once the main threat was krumped
vagrant osprey
Depends if you want to include fanon.
final spruce
Since its the lore channel id assume no
vagrant osprey
Sometimes GW gets confused as to what's canon.
Angry Marines got a mention in lore.
And honestly, Da Emprah's Boyz being Orks pretending to be an Ultramarines successor chapter is kinda peak ork
distant harness
"usually trained"
yeah that's def what happens to them on terra
final spruce
Well those thrown into the Throne are usually the ones that cant control themselves
verbal nest
If a bunch of Orks all believed that terra was actually an Ork controlled planet
What uhh
What happens
odd sparrow
nothing, cus ork reality warp fuckery is never gonna be used to that kind of extent
it's too much of a can of worms
distant harness
it gets played up a lot too from what I know
orks sort of loosen the rules of reality, they don't completely ignore them
outside weirdboys obviously, but none of them are that powerful
rotund siren
weirdboyz go bewm, hehe
odd sparrow
yea i think it's way better when it's written as more like the orks nudging reality, not totally overwriting it. Like with how Yarrick's success could be attributed either to him, to the orks believing he's a kind of bogeyman, or a mixture of the two
royal herald
things is orks aren't self aware of their powers, we don't really know if they could change reality by collectively believing that say, orks are literally unkillable and each wielded stronger influence than the chaos gods, because they have their own sense of logic that they follow so they can't be made to collectively believe something like that
odd sparrow
that way it doesn't like, create too much of a nasty can of worms to write around
distant harness
Orks do think they're the strongest and toughest around though, pretty much universally
They clearly aren't, but they think it anyway
royal herald
I want to say they are
is there anything that can actually fight orks without like, armor and better weaponry?
distant harness
I mean you can think what you want, but a random ork boy isn't tougher than a custodes
royal herald
is there anything thats gonna fist fight orks?
distant harness
or a marine, or half the daemons out there
royal herald
ok fair enough
I was willing to discount genetically engineered humans
but considering daemons, and also tyranids, yeah they're not the strongest
distant harness
yea i think it's way better when it's written as more like the orks *nudging* re...
Ya agreed completely, small stuff like machines working more efficiently or tech that shouldn't really work being pretty reliable is cool, but not full on galaxy tier reality warping shit
vagrant osprey
Astartes can fist-fight an ork without his power armor.
odd sparrow
ye
vagrant osprey
Also, Ork reality warping is pretty clearly overstated.
distant harness
I imagine a fair amount of eldar could beat an ork in melee too
odd sparrow
the whole orks can fire shootas without any issues but if a human inspects it after the ork is dead they'll just find a box full of scrap vaguely shaped like a gun thing is a nice example
distant harness
There's some crazy skilled fighters there
odd sparrow
hey if certain sources are to be believed eldar can moderately effortlessly defeat custodes uwu
aaaAAAAA
distant harness
Never gonna bet on a random ork nob vs a succubus
distant harness
hey if certain sources are to be believed eldar can moderately effortlessly defe...
This never happened and I refuse to hear otherwise
odd sparrow
Correct.
vagrant osprey
There's basically three sets of things:
1: Stuff Orks build that actually works even when they're not there, but a means which humans don't understand. SOME shootas are this; in some BL books there are characters who steal ork guns and use them for years after they left ork proximity
2: Stuff orks build that works normally, but is powered by the WAAAAGH
3: Stuff that's pure WAAAAGH kludging stuff together.
Or just stuff that ALMOST works, but has WAAAAGH filling in the details.
verbal nest
I just wanna see a powerful psyker Ork in Inquistor garbs lmao
vagrant osprey
They'd have to have purple tattoos.
Now, stuff like a flamethrower? Orks DO use fuel. Sometimes. And a flamethrower is extremely simple mechanically.
But if the WAAAAGH is filling in the details - like the seals on the hose - then any human who tries to use it is going to die painfully.
scenic bolt
coolest ork hook was in one of the books, an ork kaptain ||was draining thousands of psychic orkz with a machine that funneled their power into an ork version of the golden throne||
cloud kindle
my favourite ork is Grizgutz who launched a waaagh but when he warp traveled he was sent back just before the waaagh started
so naturally the first thing he does is kill his past self so he can have a copy of his favourite shoota
the waaagh fell apart after that for obvious reasons
storm jungle
Thanks for reminding me that awesome piece of lore exists lol
cloud kindle
orkz is bestz
prisma lark
I liked that warboss who crashed his bike into a Titan's cockpit, while still ablaze from going through the void-shields
sweet jacinth
so naturally the first thing he does is kill his past self so he can have a copy...
multiple unique weapons explained
exotic mica
I like Tuska daemon-killa
Fucking mad-lad that he is
Now living in endless battle against khorne’s demon legions
prisma lark
wait, Wazdakka wasn't even a warboss
exotic mica
One of Khorne’s best favored, as I recall
Which is how he got the blood God’s attention to begin with.
cloud kindle
went on a rampage through the warp
exotic mica
Yep
cloud kindle
until they found said daemon price
then after they were all killed khorne was like fuck that was funny
do it again
exotic mica
And Tuska went “I’ll fuckin do it again”
I like how when that one daemon started ripping its way through his flagship he got the weirdboyz to distract it while he got his power-claw and went to work.
Okay correction they distracted the prince, not the first monstrosity with many heads. That one he took head-on and got its horns as a trophy.
vagrant osprey
I liked that warboss who crashed his bike into a Titan's cockpit, while still ab...
Reminder: Void shields don't set things on fire, they just shunt it into the warp.
prisma lark
Reminder: Void shields don't set things on fire, they just shunt it into the war...
yeah I remembered that part wrong, it's not him that was on fire, it's the skulls of the Princeps he took from the wreckage (that are still burning even now, apparently)
vagrant osprey
Yeah, it doesn't work like that, but the WAAAAGH means that since it's metal as fuck it does anyway
Orks run on rule of cool
wide vessel
orks run on "fuck you that's why" energy
plush mason
^^^
so what exactly are gelar fields?
are they kinda like the enviromental shields in star trek?
final spruce
You could consider them kind of like an anchor to reality
It creates a bubble of real space from what Lexicanum says
And since Daemons can't appear in real space
It protects the ship
plush mason
so very much like the envitomental shields
final spruce
I know nothing about Star Trek
plush mason
the enviroment shields are low power energy fields that surround the ships as it moves thru space
protecting the crew from the lethal radiation of space
they are a scientific reallity of deep space travel in fact
stelar radiation can cause cell/dna damage that will lead to cancers birthdefects in any offspring and even death
storm jungle
Also im surprised how little lore there is on gellar fields?
barren tapir
??
barren tapir
They have been developed with the warp engine, it create a bubble of reality around the ship... Of course we couldn't have any details, but that is enough IMO
wide vessel
so the movie event horizon I joke is a 40k movie of warp travel before gellar fields or humanity even knowing what the warp is
storm jungle
Oh no dude
almost 99% of the 40k community agrees its pretty much a 40k movie even if its unofficial lol
its one of the things everyone seems to universally agree on
then again it IS pretty metal
wide vessel
I tend to say off most 40k community sites as it gets toxic a lot
oh and from what wiki says the galler field is a psyker kept in a coma who's dreams produce real space
wide vessel
kinda like the 1000 psykers used to keep the emperor alive and guide astropaths, they use psykers as batteries to produce a bubble of real space from their dreams
barren tapir
I'm not so sure about that... I mean, when they were invented psykers weren't really common
wide vessel
humanity didn't use warp travel for a long while, it wasn't until after the emperor if I recall
barren tapir
Humanity used warp travel from around M15 IIRC, the start of the age of tech
Ah, M18 was the millennium in which the warp engine was invented
wide vessel
yeah I am reading it, maybe thats what captured psykers were used for before the emperor and his sanctioned ones
storm jungle
So warp-travel was used during humanity's star-trek age too?
barren tapir
Yes
storm jungle
huh, neat
plush mason
well its not the same
barren tapir
Did you tought it was an imperial thing?
plush mason
by "warp" they meen it warps real space around the ship
storm jungle
Yeah i was unsure since navigators werent a thing around that time
barren tapir
Navigators were created in M22
plush mason
pulling it up behind it and down infront of it
and just space itself moves around the ship
barren tapir
Which is the same millennium in which psykers started to appear more frequently
storm jungle
by "warp" they meen it warps real space around the ship
Oh yep i know, i just say "star-trek age" since humanity back then was your run of the mill sci-fi civilisation you see in most media
barren tapir
But i think GW will want to make things a bit more coherent in the future
storm jungle
and yeah its explainable but you can tell they didnt think of these smaller things
wide vessel
well the bigger problems is when they have the authors come up with something in the HH books it becomes cannon and a lot harder to rewrite
barren tapir
But i can see the imperium having to use comatose psykers to create a gellar field instead of machinery... It add to the grimdark
barren tapir
well the bigger problems is when they have the authors come up with something in...
GW has already retconnected stuff from the indomitus crusade too, retconnecting something from HH books is not beyond the possibilities
plush mason
just like the imperium as a whole lol
barren tapir
We also know that one ship, from M24, had a warp engine, and i hardly think that they were using a comatose psyker... Though they could still had a navigator
But in the end it is just a mess... Damn you GW!
plush mason
We also know that one ship, from M24, had a warp engine, and i hardly think that...
back in M24 they would ahve had a mechin to make the field
barren tapir
Damn you GW unless you fix that mess in a reasonable way
plush mason
in M41 they might have lost the knowledge of how to ake them
barren tapir
That is my explanation, otherwise it is just impossible
plush mason
so the next best option is the comatose psyker
barren tapir
After all in the 41 Millennium psykers just pop up like crazy
wide vessel
Well after the new rift the place were they get all the imperium sanctioned psykers kinda imploded when cadia fell
Vaults of terra, things did not go well on terra
barren tapir
Well, that is one way to say it... I a very very kind way...
rugged phoenix
and yeah its explainable but you can tell they didnt think of these smaller thin...
They did, you didnt really need a navigator back then because it was pre-birth of slaneesh. The warp was calm. You just aimed your nose in a way and a computer could plot time.
Is their explanation, you dont even need a navigator for warp jumps in 40k, you just need them for long ones, or you have to warp hop short distances, and much slower
barren tapir
IDK if the only war rulebooks can be considered canon, but i think i found another regiments vikings, or at least nord, inspired... The Gautlend
celest dome
I can't find any art of them, do you have any ?
barren tapir
No, just a quote from Hjalti
“There we were, the biggest Ork was coming straight towards us, killing
everything in its path. Though we’d have been Emperor-cursed cowards
for doing it, we were about to run. Suddenly, trooper Bjarki gave a
snarl, jumped on the beast’s back, and set himself to work, laying about
with his knife and his teeth and his bare hands. By the time he passed
out from fatigue, he’d broken half of the creature’s teeth, put some
bloody holes in its chest, ripped its arm clean off, and struck it a great
blow with the severed limb. ‘Course it’s true—I saw it all myself!”
–Trooper Hjalti of the Gautlend 81st Rifles
marsh grail
So with how expansive the galaxy is and chaos magic. Is it entirely possible that the planet Warhammer takes place on existed in the 40k universe? Even if the end times happened long long ago?
sweet jacinth
The fantasy?
sweet jacinth
the lore is like this for that. It's in a pocket dimension
it tehnically doesn't exist
open marsh
So with how expansive the galaxy is and chaos magic. Is it entirely possible tha...
They used to want to push that as part of the narrative, but they decided not to and instead its a seperate universe that is connected via the warp
sweet jacinth
but it's there non the less
barren tapir
As you would have dark eldars that aren't dark eldars
Exodite eldar that aren't exodite
marsh grail
So it exists but in an alternate dimension.
sweet jacinth
it's literally fantasy. like dragons and fairies is for us. warhammer end times is for 40k
marsh grail
So that begs the question. Had the emperor succeeded in entering the web ways would that have been enough to starve out the chaos gods or would they be able to get power from all the other worlds in alternate realities?
open marsh
Well we had entered the webway and were making a foothold in it, when suddenly: MAGNUS
sweet jacinth
man horus was wack
marsh grail
I get the sneaking suspicion that chaos is the S block to the emperor’s Tetris game.
sweet jacinth
so who's line piece?
marsh grail
Space marines? Desperately needed but always late.
sweet jacinth
perfection
barren tapir
The webway project wasn't to starve the chaos gods... That was the job of the Imperial Truth, the webway project objective was to make mankind move around the galaxy without relying on the warp, making travelling more secure and fast
celest dome
So with how expansive the galaxy is and chaos magic. Is it entirely possible tha...
Yes, then No, then Yes, and now it's No again
Firstly GW never said anything about it
then hey said that yes [Unnamed Planet] was part of the Warhammer 40k Universe/Galaxy (With even notion that Sigmar could be one of the lost Primarch)
Then they realized that it made no sense so they separated it
Then they said that the Matérium were separated but the Warp was the same (Which explain demon being present in both 40k/Fantasy/AoS)
Then they properly separated it again with AoS to be able to have a healthy IP, the similitude btw the Demon/Chaos God remain but they aren't linked to each other
marsh grail
So now we wait until it’s yes again.
coarse mirage
I don't see how the imperial truth would've achieved that
the chaos gods get their power not just from direct worship but from all kinds of things that you can't help but do
celest dome
Well yes but no
They get notably less power from Blank and species that don't have the concept of Higher being
coarse mirage
What's the source on that?
Of course blanks don't give them anything, having no souls.
But the other
celest dome
It was in Fantasy that beast though they can be corrupted by them don't really follow them
barren tapir
I don't see how the imperial truth would've achieved that
While the chaos gods get some of their powers by all things related to them, it wasn't meant to kill them, it was meant to weaken them, as their biggest chunk of power come from direct worship... Then after they were weak enough more direct approach would have been used to erase them, or at least limit them
vagrant osprey
oh and from what wiki says the galler field is a psyker kept in a coma who's dre...
Human psykers weren't known to exist before Old Night, but the DAoT was the height of human warp travel, and DAoT ships DO have geller fields.
The ONLY mention of a psyker being the source of a geller field is a Grey Knight who is explicitly more unhinged than most Grey Knights and prone to delusion talking about how he can feel the screaming of a psyker being forced to dream.
(Also, if you could reliably have a psychic dream about reality being maintained for several years in a row without incident then psykers could not be the unstable risk they are shown to be)
marsh grail
I’ve always been suspicious of the rate the imperium burns through psychers. I doubt they are that common place. Especially since they tend to be hunted down. Now granted it could simply be GW being inconsistent with numbers again.
The golden throne needs them, ships need them, the astartes librarians need them. Then there’s supposed to still be some left to randomly summon demons and other instances.
Are there any other instances of psychers being an expendable resource I missed?
celest dome
There are a lot of Psyker, it's just that they vary a lot on power level, not all Psyker can become/train to be Wyrdvane/Primaris Psyker or become Astropath/Navigator
barren tapir
It is mostly GW being inconsistent... But we also must take in consideration the population of each world... A hive world will have more psykers than a death world... It is also true that from M22 onward the number of psykers is growing
celest dome
But if you listen to the voice in your head (Demon) they can increase your power and become a gate for them
vagrant osprey
Ships need Astropaths. Navigators are different things.
So it's like ONE or TWO psykers per ship
marsh grail
Well my point is it say they maintained the golden throne or gellar field for their entire life would be one thing. But it slowly kills them don’t they? How long do they last?
vagrant osprey
Psykers do not maintain geller fields.
storm jungle
They pretty much treat them as batteries
barren tapir
How much a psyker last powering the astronomican depend on their power and body
marsh grail
Psykers do not maintain geller fields.
Oh?
storm jungle
if it dies you replace it
if it continues to not die on you, you just keep it plugged in
rotund siren
I have a question
vagrant osprey
Geller fields date back to M18.
rotund siren
How are gellar fields not considered tech heresy?
marsh grail
Why would it be?
vagrant osprey
Humanity didn't know humans could BE psykers until M25
rotund siren
because aren't they tech that interacts with the warp directly?
barren tapir
How are gellar fields not considered tech heresy?
Why should they? They are from the Age of Tech
vagrant osprey
Geller fields are 100% technology.
celest dome
The Lexi does say it use them (Comatose Psyker) but it's the first time i see such
marsh grail
Oh well that’s easy. The more essential something is the more heresy can be ignored.
vagrant osprey
Lexi is citing ONE comment made by a particularly insane Grey Knight.
barren tapir
Lex also say that psykers started appearing in great number from M22... But the gellar field with warp engine was invented in M18
marsh grail
Just look at the adeptus mechanicus and the bogus excuse that the machine god is the emperor.
celest dome
It say 2 sources
vagrant osprey
Was Old Night M22? I thought it was M25
vagrant osprey
If there's another source, I don't know what it is.
barren tapir
Was Old Night M22? I thought it was M25
No, it was near the end of the Age of Tech
vagrant osprey
Psykers started appearing when Slaanesh was born. That's the start of Old Night.
sweet jacinth
No don't mention timeline, before you know it, they will retcon something
barren tapir
Psykers started appearing when Slaanesh was born. That's the start of Old Night.
No, psykers started appearing before
vagrant osprey
The Men of Iron revolts were before Old Night
storm jungle
Psykers started appearing when Slaanesh was born. That's the start of Old Night.
Psykers started appearing earlier
vagrant osprey
Ah, my mistake.
barren tapir
Psyker were recognized in M22, but it is safe to assume that they spawned even before
celest dome
The Shaman that made the Emp were Psyker
vagrant osprey
Still, warp and geller fields predate psykers.
barren tapir
Still, warp and geller fields predate psykers.
This is true
marsh grail
So the two main ways to not be killed by the inquisition or the ecclesiarchy is to be essential or not suspicious.
barren tapir
By at least 4 Millennia
vagrant osprey
More relevantly, 40k is TERRIBLE at numbers.
barren tapir
Indeed
celest dome
Warp I would say yes but Psyker (Eldar for example) were already there during the War In Heaven
vagrant osprey
They say the population of Terra is "Up to 10 trillion", but it's literally a city planet 10 miles deep.
rotund siren
not really
vagrant osprey
No, actually. The opposite.
barren tapir
In general GW was very bad with numbers and only used the rule of cool
sweet jacinth
and we are facing overpopulation NOW
megacities it is
storm jungle
megacities it is
✊
vagrant osprey
If the planet was covered in a city 10 miles deep and the population was 10 trillion you could go your entire life without ever seeing another person.
rotund siren
wow
sweet jacinth
are we talking the land surface or water too?
vagrant osprey
There is no water.
sweet jacinth
let's say we made earth covered in city that is
vagrant osprey
More than that, if you shuffled that entire population into random spots on that planet, years would go by without any person meeting any other person
plucky moth
overpopulation isn't a problem if we just get really good at swimming
vagrant osprey
You can do the math yourself. It's basic volume calculations and traversal rates.
barren tapir
Did you know that there is a law that prohibit to build something inside 10 Km, IIRC, from the imperial palace walls?
sweet jacinth
we don't even have to get good. we have technology to live UNDA DA SEA
celest dome
We have technology to implant Gills ?
Brb
sweet jacinth
no i meant we can build under water bases
marsh grail
Well I still feel that something as strategically absolute as the golden throne would have an entire retinue of logi to constantly determine the projected remaining use of each psycher since not knowing how long your supply of psychers can maintain it is unacceptable.
vagrant osprey
Err... Hazmat, they do have that.
And if you ignore the 'official' population statistics and do the math, Necromunda alone has a population of around 10 quintillion.
marsh grail
Hang on maybe I read something wrong but I thought it was like 1000 psychers die a day.
vagrant osprey
10,000
barren tapir
I really cannot wait for a reasonable retcon of all the dumb things that GW let add on the setting in the years
vagrant osprey
40k can't be reasonable.
marsh grail
barren tapir
That is why the men of iron were destroyed
marsh grail
Yeah I don’t see GW doing something like that.
sweet jacinth
if you retcon everything then nothing is a retcon
barren tapir
They developed too much humor
weak fern
Stupid man of iron
marsh grail
A good retcon would be nice but borderline impossible to do right.
weak fern
Retcon Gurliman pls
sweet jacinth
the later you retcon it the worse it gets
but you can't just retcon something you got out of the gate
marsh grail
Done their color is now pink.
weak fern
thanks
barren tapir
but you can't just retcon something you got out of the gate
They did
barren tapir
Retcon Gurliman pls
But why?
sweet jacinth
for what cus i'm not familiar with all the retcons. too many
barren tapir
GW retconnected the indomitus crusade
vagrant osprey
They developed too much humor
40k has developed AWAY from humor, though
marsh grail
GW “You don’t think I’ll ruin the deep lore for $5? Just watch me.”
vagrant osprey
They should announce that Yvraine is pregnant with RG's kid.
vagrant osprey
The wailing and gnashing of teeth alone would be worth it.
storm jungle
final spruce
He fills a nice niche
vagrant osprey
He's fixing too many things. That's not allowed in 40k, so something has to stop him.
storm jungle
Nobody is gonna
vagrant osprey
A half-xeno kid would do it.
celest dome
They should write more about Yvraine becoming one of the Godess/Avatar of the Eldar old god
barren tapir
He's fixing too many things. That's not allowed in 40k, so something has to stop...
This is good
final spruce
He is forced the hero, a guy that currently lives in a world he hates with nobody to really support himself on, but he does what must be done antwat
vagrant osprey
Also, 40k is the story of literally nobody making good decisions.
storm jungle
He is forced the hero, a guy that currently lives in a world he hates with nobod...
This
its been made clear he hates everything about the current imperium
final spruce
The only things he "fixed" is the Imperium's imminent destruction
vagrant osprey
And he solved the dark imperium being cut off from the rest of the imperium literally as soon as it happened.
sweet jacinth
remember people, we cannot have a good ending in warhammer. it doesn't fit
final spruce
The Cicatrix is still here, the tyranids are coming and half of the Imperium is cucked from Big E's light
storm jungle
And he solved the dark imperium being cut off from the rest of the imperium lite...
That was going to happen either way
barren tapir
He is gonna fix more, but first he need to make sure everything else doesn't crumble
barren tapir
And he solved the dark imperium being cut off from the rest of the imperium lite...
That was retconnected
vagrant osprey
Like, they had a FANTASTIC setup for the Dark Imperium developing on its own and becoming something else and then they cancelled that
storm jungle
Again it doesnt matter
vagrant osprey
It's so hard to keep track of things with all these retcons.
storm jungle
even without Robot-G it would happen
barren tapir
It's so hard to keep track of things with all these retcons.
Agree
vagrant osprey
Yes, eventually
storm jungle
since GW needs to make sure the imperium needs to stand
like
realistically speaking in-universe half of their sectors would be overrun by now
considering traitor forces are spilling out of EVERYWHERE
yet they're doing fine lol
barren tapir
I mean, they first nuked Mordia, and then made sure that it was still under imperial control
vagrant osprey
Look, 40k is the story of the Imperium constantly suffering mortal wounds and then ignoring that so they can take more mortal wounds.
barren tapir
realistically speaking in-universe half of their sectors would be overrun by now
Which TBH wouldn't be so bad...
storm jungle
Yeah ikr
celest dome
The Horus Heresy should have been the Emperor dying/sleeping and the different primarch taking care of smaller Imperium and going to war with each other/chaos/xenos
With some falling to Chaos/Xenos influence
storm jungle
Has anyone seen the ending of Master of Mankind? Here, Big E sums up the setting pretty well
barren tapir
I mean, the nuked for good Cadia, but i'm pretty sure that the refugees will land on a new planet and call it new Cadia and be fine for making more regiments, the same can be done with others regiments... Or simply create new ones
: Haha no.
vagrant osprey
That was, explicitly, the emperor's plan failing.
final spruce
I mean, the nuked for good Cadia, but i'm pretty sure that the refugees will lan...
Mmmmh sounds like an opportunity for a remodelling of the IG units
rotund siren
"heck"
vagrant osprey
There are still half a dozen methods for humanity to come out on top.
storm jungle
Not really
rotund siren
only 6? rough
storm jungle
half the reason the Imperium wins is thanks to plot-armor
barren tapir
I'm gonna say that a setting were everything is gonna go awful isn't a really interesting setting... Sure, bad things happen, and may happen more frequently, but there must always be something that balance that
storm jungle
but thats just the norm
sweet jacinth
<:GW:763840266363994122> : Haha no.
worry not, if they retconned the end of end times they can retcon this too.
celest dome
Mmmmh sounds like an opportunity for a remodelling of the IG units
GW: Did someone say Cadian Space Marine Primaris Lieutenant ?
vagrant osprey
Soooo... The Eldar are making a god of "Kill Slaanesh"
barren tapir
Mmmmh sounds like an opportunity for a remodelling of the IG units
Hmmmm... I don't know if i should be scared or hopeful
storm jungle
Soooo... The Eldar are making a god of "Kill Slaanesh"
Not anymore they arent
lmao
GW banned that plan hard
vagrant osprey
They fucked that up again?
storm jungle
YEP
The last cronesword is inside slaanesh's palace
and some dio looking keeper of secrets devastated yvraine's team
AND
it was an illusion
and not its "full power"
barren tapir
They just slapped a sign with "in stasis until further notice" on that plan
marsh grail
This is why I don’t dive too deep into the lore. I stay blissfully ignorant like any good imperial citizen and look stuff up when someone mentions a word I haven’t heard before.
smoky breach
They had a cool, marketable thing which they threw into the ground?
storm jungle
also the latest Ynnari book got canned since the writer Gav Thorpe is a shitty eldar writer that cant make them anything else but a "uwu dying race" with every novel he publishes.
vagrant osprey
Ok, second method: Ally with the Farseer enclave and sanction Tau tech.
storm jungle
He said on his twitter that it was a shame but i say good riddance
vagrant osprey
Have they fired CS Goto yet?
Third method: Ally with the Void Dragon sleeping in Mars and offer to build the pylon network that has been his life's work.
Fourth method: Broadcast an offer of general amnesty to all AI willing to announce themselves and serve humanity.
sweet jacinth
Fifth method: Have everyone break the 4th wall and realize non of this is real and the timeline gets fractured with every retcon
celest dome
The Pylon were the work of the VD ?
vagrant osprey
No, that's the sixth method.
barren tapir
TBF the breaking of the 4th wall should have been the fourth method
vagrant osprey
The fifth method is to kill the Emperor and let the worship bring him back as a chaos god of the human experience.
vagrant osprey
The Pylon were the work of the VD ?
Yes. And the VD was working on them alongside the Necrons AFTER the other C'Tan were betrayed.
sweet jacinth
but how can you kill the emperor if he's already dead?
vagrant osprey
Pull his life support.
The VD was such a bro that we don't know what shattered him, but we DO know that it wasn't the Necrons. They built him a massive crypt so he could recover in peace.
sweet jacinth
imagine worshiping a corpse on a golden toilet
barren tapir
The void dragon was shattered by the necron
I mean, the silent king has one of his shard as battery for his throne
vagrant osprey
What I've read said the only took the pieces, and didn't shatter him.
celest dome
Like the VD is now just a C'tan shard, maybe the biggest one but we know it's not a Necron structure that is housing him on Mars
vagrant osprey
Ugh, more retcons? Lovely.
barren tapir
IDK, i always knew it wasn't a necron thing that was housing him on mars
celest dome
It's just the Shard/Complete C'tan that was changed
storm jungle
didnt Big E beat the shit out of the O.G dragon back in the middle east during our old historical times?
barren tapir
I didn't heard anything about him being on good terms with the necrons too
barren tapir
didnt Big E beat the shit out of the O.G dragon back in the middle east during o...
Yes
sweet jacinth
What we should do is find the Proteus Protocol and transfers the emperor in a potato. And then we plant the potato which will grow many potatoes. After which we use them for ammunition for a spud gun.
celest dome
Most C'tan hate the Necron
barren tapir
And the feel is reciprocated
celest dome
And there are some human that can communicate(?) with the VD
barren tapir
Kinda, not really communicate AFAIK
storm jungle
all we know is that its being guarded right? And that some techboyz know something is beneath mars
barren tapir
More they get influenced and may revive some of its memory but of course from its POV
barren tapir
all we know is that its being guarded right? And that *some* techboyz know somet...
It should be guarded yes...
storm jungle
The role of the Guardians of the Dragon is to keep the bounds of the Dragon maintained, they are souls chosen by the Emperor for this task and their lifespans are vastly extended.
Up to the time of the Horus Heresy Adept Semyon was the Guardian, around this time he passed the knowledge of all his antecedents and the Emperor's will onto Adept Dalia making her the new Guardian of the Dragon. [1c] She is known to have held this position for around ten thousand years
🐲
vagrant osprey
Well, according to Mechanicum the Void Dragon is actually cool with humans.
vagrant osprey
When a Tech Priest finds him he relays historical information to him and then basically turn the light out so he can sleep when the priest leaves.
Doesn't eat his soul or anything.
Of course, the Tech Priest was executed for heresy when he got back to the surface
sweet jacinth
In reality he was actually a nice hang. Chill dude.
vagrant osprey
But yeah, it looks like the plan at least was for the VD to be The Machine God
Dunno if it still is.
storm jungle
I think thats the plan for the End Times if it ever happens
it would get the mechanicus into chaos and really get them out the way for everything to explode lol
storm jungle
behaviour wise
barren tapir
The man of iron on the balckstone fortress said he met the true machine god, and that it is not what the imperial think it is
storm jungle
not my fault the word is so messed up in 40k context lol
vagrant osprey
The C'tan are basically the materium equivalent of the Ruinous powers.
storm jungle
Yes
Im aware lol
but yeah, that seems to be the plan for now unless a new novel in the future does anything with it
vagrant osprey
I think a mechanicus backed by a living and active VD would be an end-game scenario.
Because the VD would absolutely have them build a new pylon network.
barren tapir
It is not much different than what the necron did on the pariah nexus
plucky moth
it all ends when the Orks get depression causing the universe to collapse in upon itself
storm jungle
or that
vagrant osprey
And the Cadian pylon network did THIS to the eye of terror:
storm jungle
It almost closed it too before Abby fucked it up right?
vagrant osprey
Yep
vagrant osprey
Incan: Nah, it ends when the Brain Boyz come back
coarse mirage
The necron are rebuilding the pylon network
From their end
The book Apocalypse is about that
The suppression field is so strong it prevents and cuts off warp travel
It suppresses humans to the point of apathy.
Because it cuts them off from the warp, suppressing their souls.
vagrant osprey
The Void Dragon's pylon network was designed to not do that.
The VD's pylon network was designed to reinforce the barrier to prevent the veil tearing. The new one severs the warp off completely.
The most fucked up thing is that the Sisters of Battle could still use their powers.
thick shadow
F A I T H
barren tapir
I'm still waiting the rightful retcon on that crap
thick shadow
I think it reached a level of WAAAGH
celest dome
The most fucked up thing is that *the Sisters of Battle could still use their po...
Didn't Saint Celestine feel bad when it was activated ? Like the Legion of the Damned disappear but she can remain but with real difficulty
Also to note that if there is a domain in the Warp that is the domain of the "Emperor" and that the SoB are taking their power from there is could be the strongest (Even tough it doesn't have any Leader/God since Emp is still on the throne) since the wider Imperium is empowering
vagrant osprey
She felt bad because she's a Daemon Princess of the Emperor.
Maybe the Emperor is halfway between being a ruinous power and being a c'tan?
celest dome
A C'tan ? How he is no where near to the condition of a C'Tan
He is in a way similar to an Eldari God
coarse mirage
@celest dome yes it made the demons disappear, the legion of the damned and caused the psykers pain
The reason that the Cadia pylons worked like they did was basically that they DIDNT work like they should. Cus when Cawl and Trazyn “fixed” them, they started functioning as nullifiers, not limiters.
As is evident on that star map where Cadia and other planets are cutting off the eye of terror
cloud kindle
Nah he will be the chaos god of order
thick shadow
cloud kindle
He will put slaanesh into rehab
mint crest
she just tortures the therapist to death
plush mason
Maybe the Emperor is halfway between being a ruinous power and being a c'tan?
afaik the matter of "what the emperor is" is still one of the bigger debates in the lore
crisp heath
Yu'vath were basically Chaos Xenos Necromancers and Biomancers, utilizing the Warp to create Undead Constructs and Golems along with slave races, and worshipping the Chaos Gods.
cloud kindle
they created The Orbs™
restive turtle
As far as I am aware, the Emperor is basically Half immaterium or became it at least, but he is also Anathema. More so to Chaos than the C'tan and Blanks are. Which sets a lot of questions.
plush mason
that word
it means the exact polor opposite of something iirc
could the emperor be a creation of the old ones?
sweet jacinth
what, immaterium?
sweet jacinth
i always thought of the warp as the place you travel in between two wormholes openings
plush mason
no
it is a reflection of realspace
think f it more like the paralle universe in star trek
sweet jacinth
i mean it's in the name. it's the space with no matter. So technically all the matter that doesn't exist in the normal universe, exists there.
thick shadow
they created **The Orbs™**
Oh, the thing from last episode of Astartes, right?
thick shadow
Warp, also known as Immaterium is the universe that connected, or part of one universe that is where the thoughts, feelings, etc (interectual activities?) gathers.
In there, those are becomes real, materialized. And because of that place. Those things are can be real in "real" world too. At least as far as I understand.
thick shadow
What I heard is; they mind control the others. And if enough of them gathered? They using their beings-controlled to make yet another of them.
thick shadow
its pure fan fiction
Just a guess
plush mason
no the people behind Astartes confirmed this iirc
thick shadow
People just thinks those ball thingies are Yu'beth or something.
open marsh
The sphere things are a fan made xenos thingy
Made by the creator of the series
They aren't canon tho there are similar beings
Yu'Vath looked like this: more crystalline
thick shadow
Oh, yeah. Those.
atomic pelican
Orb of confusion
thick shadow
Anyways, it just fan theory thing that those balls are seems like those Yu'beth.
open marsh
There is also this: the Tuchulcha.
thick shadow
I think I heard that name from what people saying too.
open marsh
But yeah
The things in Astartes arent either of these
The creator said they are just something he made up for the series
thick shadow
Similar thing, yes. Maybe inspired, but who knows?
thick shadow
He said he inspired from those? Or...?
sweet jacinth
Can't wait to see what happens in the valley of thrones
thick shadow
if he was inspired or not, who knows
Ah, I see. Thank.
thick shadow
Can't wait to see what happens in the valley of thrones
So far, he puked.
storm jungle
as long as we see more animations from the guy ill be fine
atomic pelican
Still waiting on Lost Legion to return from the grave
storm jungle
Still waiting on Lost Legion to return from the grave
lol same
atomic pelican
Making a eldar/tau animation very brave of them
Esp one in which they bean space marines
storm jungle
it looks like he puked some beans
also its the sergeant's vomit being instantly coagulated
open marsh
He puked up blood
And we see what happens to them in the Visions that possessed psyker has. They get dusted by that giant statue
The author has said he is done with their story and is moving on to others
final seal
cant blame him for having an english breakfast before launching into a boat of heretics only to travel into ball's warp
thick shadow
Sounds not so good ending for him and his fellows.
eating Orkoids are still count s a vegetarian, 'ight?
plush mason
iirc that part was a bit of canon lore
space marine blood coaqulates at a much faster rate than normal human blood
its part of why they can lose limbs and not bleed to death
final seal
that makes perfect sense
thick shadow
If that thing's gone wrong. Their blood vessels will be stuck by their own blood, and dies by it better keep checking on those gene seed.
plush mason
afaik it only starts coaqulating once it leaves their bodies
like as soon as it start bleeding
final seal
reminds me of one video where a wine glass filled with goat blood, a snake venom was added inside and the blood instantly solidify like jello after whirling it around
thick shadow
Peeling the scab was so fun
And starts to bleed again. and do it again
A childhood thing
Stitching on the skin was a trend back then
...
What the fuck was wrong with my generation?!
plush mason
bro me and my brother did that all the time
thick shadow
Oh...
plush mason
im 26 and he is 24
thick shadow
Am become 25 in this year
plush mason
ah
final seal
i used a scissors to cut the underskin after peeling a scab
like a surgeon
was 10 i think
plush mason
ok
that was a bit far
i ripped part of my skin off with industrial super glue once
my dad was a state electrition
and i needed glue for an art project
storm jungle
plush mason
to be fair i was 9 and didnt know what super glue was
yeah boys tend to beat their bodies all to hell as they grow up
its part of why men dont live as long as women on average
celest dome
Picking Scabs is more healthy no ? Just became 22
marsh grail
Do you honestly know anyone that has ever done that
final seal
used to peel off prematurely, now i cant be arsed to pay attention to scab, it just fall off itself
plush mason
Do you honestly know anyone that has ever done that
no
but it is the healthy thing to do
sweet jacinth
Human body: Lemme just patch that up. There.
Human brain: Imperfection. Must. Remove.
plush mason
Human body: Lemme just patch that up. There.
Human brain: Imperfection. Must. Re...
no more its Human brain: ITCHY. must scratch
sweet jacinth
honestly mine don't itch as much as i just have peel them
it's a fixation at this point
plush mason
mine would always itch like hell
thick shadow
If warp was real, then what we felt from what we did when we were young is enough to give a birth to one or two of chaos gods I assume.
storm jungle
We're too little in comparison so probably not
sweet jacinth
well most likely it will all just go to either slaneesh or nurgle
picking scabs is for sure a nurgle thing
thick shadow
But it also gives you a pleasure. A desire to peel it off too...
thick shadow
Our life is full of chsos
crisp heath
yes]q
celest dome
But picking scabs make you bleed, so it's Khorne too
sweet jacinth
so basically it's the worst possible thing we can do
cerulean wagon
honestly tho
lore chat
if u wanna be disgusting atleast keep it to #735951004989784104
sweet jacinth
No but this is important cus it shows us that there i no winning against chaos cus we are freaking dumbasses
thick shadow
True