#40k-lore-chat

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half gull
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even less

final spruce
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Batallion + patrol is 40 troups

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Also you kind of need your troups since they have obsec

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But they die fast

half gull
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but how much is a guards squad and a chimera

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bare bones

final spruce
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70+55 points

half gull
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man they used to be so much cheaper

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but thats still not bad

final spruce
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I mean the chimeras have never been cheaper

half gull
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no no i meant the guardsmen

final spruce
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The troups however ? That's a yike

half gull
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they were 4 a model for awhile werent they?

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back in 8th

final spruce
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But yeah, ina 200 pt game you'll need atleast a brigade and a patrol

half gull
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something silly

final spruce
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Yes 4pts per model

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Conscripts were even 3

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At the beginning of 8th

half gull
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yeah i remeber conscript blobs

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that didnt last thankfully

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not because op or anything

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but fuck moving all that

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yeah idk, not talking like

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full tourney meta

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but i still feel guard shouldnt be that bad

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they still seem like they get a lot of guns for their points

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im probably wrong though

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eradicators are some scary shit, i cant imagine russ's like that too much

final spruce
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They did

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The blast changes made everything expensive

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And bolter point cost ? Since all guards vehicle come with atleast 1, it also didn't help

half gull
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thats fair, i didnt think about the bolter change

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how much is a tank commander these days?

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didnt they just widen the gap between them and regular tanks?

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trying to get people to pick up the BS 4 guys

final spruce
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yeah they widdened it by 10 points

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Which is useless

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Since they heavily dropped the price of bullgryns

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Units that were a must pick anyway

half gull
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wow

final spruce
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So the price lowering of bullgryns just compensates the commander ones

half gull
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thats bonkers, bullgryn with slabs and the maces

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seemed really good to me

final spruce
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They are good at melee

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But still more expensive and worse than bladeguards

half gull
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its one of those units you gotta deal with though, and can soak quite a lot

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not that its a threat turn 1

final spruce
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Yeah Ogryns are just something you babysit with 1 priest and 2 astropaths and make them sit on an objective

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And then you look the other player in the eye and dare him to approach in charging range

half gull
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i get that same vibe from lich guard

final spruce
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Because ogryns outside of that are useless

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Necrons have orders that actually boost the movement speed and teleportation

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Its easy to make those lich guards come to you

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ogryn is different

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Also, the average tank commander is running around the 300 point mark

half gull
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oof

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wat

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thats not far off from my knights

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tank commanders are good, but 300 points?

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for no invul vehicle

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thats a rough cost

final spruce
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Yeah all of that on an easy to oneshot chassisawell

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Nothing 2 shots of lascannon can't solve

half gull
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more than that usually tbf

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lascannons are the freaking worst

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you will eventually get that lowball and just not take a tank out

vast frigate
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thats why mines exist

final spruce
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I actually looked a bit more

half gull
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at the cost of a Tcommander?

final spruce
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Tank commanders, if you go on a smaller route are 230 points

half gull
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like with battle cannon and bolters?

final spruce
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With demo + 1 lass + 2 hbolters

half gull
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that sounds better

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for 3 BS

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thats not a bad price

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but boy, then you get into the weirdism of 40k

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and hope it does not get shot off turn 1

final spruce
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Well they are still quite fragile for a tank

half gull
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though thats also a table setup kinda thing

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yeah

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no doubt there

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but it packs a whollop for its cost, double shooting the main gun

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but you are right, they gotta hit hard because they wont last

final spruce
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For that it needs not to move or less than half speed

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Demo is supposed to be short range but can go upto 30" with the right regiment though

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But with the abundance of cover, its not that hard to protect yourself from it

half gull
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most i have seen is with either battle cannon

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or the plasma

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or the gattling, but thats a bit rare

final spruce
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Well you haven't faced the tournament teams then

half gull
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oh no

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im not talking meta crushing tournys

final spruce
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All of em run 3 Tcom with that setup + 2 manticores with TA

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Neither do I

half gull
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i assume they are using TA for that

final spruce
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I'm just talking competitive units

half gull
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uh

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its like max damage?

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or some such nonsense

final spruce
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Yeah

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It turns the manticores into D3

half gull
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ooof

final spruce
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from1d3 to d3

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because of how abundant gravis armor is, you gotta run those

half gull
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makes sense

final spruce
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Nothing better than cucking a sm player

half gull
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gotta get that damage 3

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gotta say

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i hope when IG gets their book

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they take a hard look at baneblades

final spruce
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Please

half gull
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its so iconic

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and so awful

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its like

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a knight

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but no invul

final spruce
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Actually you know what ?

half gull
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and costs CP

final spruce
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Just force Pask inside one

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And it would work

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Yeah a BS4 knight

half gull
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yeah as someone who plays knights

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every time i see the baneblade im like

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why

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this is worse in like every way

final spruce
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Gotta bring the big guns

half gull
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it has more guns, but

final spruce
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Also, good on you to sticking to Knights with that edition

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Must not be fun

half gull
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eh, its not greaty

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but i already had lots of warglaives

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and they do alright

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but yeah

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we dont play 'the game'

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at all

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we try to stop everyone else from doing it

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which ofc

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we cant really

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but eh

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what can you do

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i just like robots

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im also kinda lucky in another way, i never went loyal 32

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so i didnt have to deal with losing that

final spruce
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You don't sound like what I'd expect of a "That Guys" which people say you have a chance of meeting 50% of the time you meet a knight player

half gull
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im not gonna lie

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if i was back in the room that added knights and riptides

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i probably would have tried to stop it

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they just dont feel like they are ever gonna be in a good spot

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we are so singular in what we field, and it requires specific tools

final spruce
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They were in 8th but mostly as a soup option

half gull
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its game warping

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yeah i didnt soup it up

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im very casual though, so

final spruce
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I call that the big boy knight way

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Good on you

half gull
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thematically, it seems like it could have been cool

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having a regiment and knights together, and painting them up

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but idk

final spruce
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Only thing I want for Ig is to be able to run hellhounds

half gull
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they blow on 4's dont they?

final spruce
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I thought being able to shoot in melee would be fantastic for them

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The hellhounds yes

half gull
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fuck thats a scary unit

final spruce
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Which makes them fun

half gull
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whats the profile on their flamer?

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isnt it like 18' and a shitload of shots

final spruce
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They are an ok unit if you run them with reinforced threads and double flamer

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That's 6 shots S6 AP 1 D1

half gull
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if we were pre 2 wound marines, that would be nasty

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hordes defs dont like seeing that

final spruce
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Yeah and its pretty tough at T7 and 11 wounds

half gull
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thats not too shabby, how much is a hell hound?

final spruce
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Can definitly charge into a group of infantry and laugh at them

half gull
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120ish or something?

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150?

final spruce
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Naked its 110

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Also I did a mistake

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Thats not 6 shots its 2d6

half gull
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tell you what, if you got CP up for overwatch

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nobody wants to charge that thing

final spruce
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I was thinking of the banewolf for a sec

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Well why would yuo

odd sparrow
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banewolf sounds like an awful fursona name

final spruce
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Its a tank that wants to charge you

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It does

half gull
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its the chemical sprayer one right?

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like acid or something

final spruce
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But its a tank that spew toxic shit at your face

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Not very attractive

odd sparrow
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we don't stan

half gull
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unless thats your kink

final spruce
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And it doesn't explose on a 4, not funny aswell

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Its a boring toxic tank

half gull
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lol

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i ONLY run things that have explosions better than a 6

odd sparrow
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,,,, i dont think death by toxic waste at high velocity is a valid kink

half gull
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no but doing that TO someone probably is

odd sparrow
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sadists really do be getting inventive

half gull
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and with that you have your crew

final spruce
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I like hellhound because its a tank meant to Cancel Drift into the nearest blob, shred it to oblivion and then explode on the heavy hiting dudes, doing a Vegeta kamikaze attack

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It just sounds amazingly fun

half gull
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i saw a battle report a while ago

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where like

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a gorkanaut exploded, which blew up a brass scorpion that was near it

final spruce
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Chain reaction

half gull
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pretty much the whole table was in range

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orks v world eaters after all

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kharn died, a bunch of other stuff died

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was nasty

odd sparrow
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F

final spruce
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Wait

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They buffed the cost of hellhounds :poggers:

half gull
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oh?

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what are they now?

final spruce
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They auto include the heavy flamer now, no need to pay extra

half gull
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nice

final spruce
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So 115 points of hot drifting energy

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Made my day

half gull
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IG dont have an auto explode strat like knights do, do they?

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god i hope they do

final spruce
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Nope, its the Admech taht has that

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It's wrath of the machine spirit

half gull
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man

final spruce
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And like 1 cp

half gull
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i hope the new IG book has one for hellhounds

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honestly

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it seems just so right

final spruce
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I feel, hellhounds drviers are already pointed as almost suicidal and with little to no regards to their own life

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Them chosing to overload the payload just to go in a bang sounds nice

half gull
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yeah

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would really make them an intresting choice

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for getting board control early

final spruce
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I mean Ork flyers already have a stratagem called "'Flying eadbutt" where the ork pilot choose to willingly crash and burn ON an unit he charges

half gull
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which is fantastic

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burna bombas are so freaking funny

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i love them

crisp heath
ancient kayak
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Not that I know off

storm jungle
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Im pretty sure if it was announced we'd know

visual pumice
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two after dark angels were revealed i'm sure but it isn't IG

storm jungle
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Yeah if we knew there already would be memes and other news of it going around

visual pumice
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dark angels was one of them

storm jungle
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Ahhh yeah this page

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curious as to what the last codex is gonna be and if its even a new race GW was teasing about

visual pumice
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i though it was dark eldar

smoky ferry
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Dark elder were confirmed as the first xenos codex

visual pumice
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i couldn't find the post that updated that roadmap

atomic pelican
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Iirc they were meant to come out january

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With dark angels

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Perhaps scooted back a bit

visual pumice
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ya dark angels is this Saturday

storm jungle
smoky ferry
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Lines up with the new hero and vs sisters mega box. Dg got pushed back a month due to covid and brexit shipping issues

storm jungle
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the last codex at the right uses the "foreign alien races" artwork

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so im curious as to what it is

final spruce
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Yeah, they use the new fungus aliens mentionned in another teaser where the eldars allied with them to fight off tyranids from the remnants of a chronomancer race

storm jungle
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here it is

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yep

rotund siren
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They are very cool

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if I remember

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the bottom left, above the very last image, are uhh

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I know this, gimme a sec

atomic pelican
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Very interested to see the new xeno codexes, seems like they are getting a bit more creative with rules from what I know abt the new Deathguard one

final spruce
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I like the - T1 aura that expands with each turn with DG

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Makes me rmember of 5th edition where rules were very fluff

atomic pelican
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Its cool and fluffy

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Yess

final spruce
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More than crunch, which made some armies broken, especially Matt Wards

atomic pelican
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More fluffy rules are big in AoS so I imagine 40k will hopefully follow suit

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We shall def see with Drukhari, considering they have alot of room for fluff stuff

verbal nest
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When xenos team up with humans, is there something I'm missing, because I always assumed an Inquisitor would come around the corner with a bolter and BLAM literally anyone related to that

final seal
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radical inquisitor

little gust
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a truce of similar goals, till that ends

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a good inquisitor does not let paranoia and superstition cloud your judgement, only fools and bigots quickly jump to conclusions, let a lone assume a xeno has beguiled the imperial citizens, inquisitor forces shall investigate and deduct the intentions of xeno filith until, it is a viable solution to enact, "purification"

smoky breach
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They're going to publish books about the two redacted founding chapters?

smoky breach
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

storm jungle
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

little gust
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a question to an assumption, thus reclaims the thought of "would it matter?"

fallow drum
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Can somebody explain to me "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt"? I keep trying to find the explanation but keep coming up with different things. I remember it was mentioned in The First Heretic but I can't find it.

mint crest
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dumb people dont question the will of those above them, making it easy to control them.

royal herald
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basically just a reiteration of "ignorance is bliss"

little gust
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Ignorance is bliss

fallow drum
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OK but I for some reason remember the word bearer's having a different take on it

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maybe I am misrembering

little gust
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Chaos is tree, that grows, no matter how much your prune and cut, the tree grows ever more

storm jungle
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so yeah its normal to misremember a few

fallow drum
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Well these Bearers are pre/during the heresy before they were taken by Chaos

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I remember because I read it in THe First Heretic befor the Book of Lorgar

little gust
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who owned the world bearer legion?

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or commanded it

storm jungle
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Lorgar Aurealian

fallow drum
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^^^

little gust
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I shudder at the thought

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Chaos

storm jungle
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Also known as Handsome Squidward

fallow drum
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LOL

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Yeah their legion is not one I am well versed with

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THat's why I was trying to remember their take on "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt"

storm jungle
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If you want more info just hit up 4chan, it explains their schtick the best

little gust
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He looks like a twin brother to Vulkan

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except hes not dark

storm jungle
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and yeah sadly the word bearers like invented half of the evil quotes chaos worshippers use a lot lol

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so it can get confusing

fallow drum
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But that quote is also used in the Imperium right?

storm jungle
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Oh yeah A LOT

little gust
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World Bearers legion, I only know was during the crusade on Kronus

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plus most of the traitor legions, were imperial

fallow drum
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I'm going through The Horus Heresy so Word Bearers are kinda spread around a lot

little gust
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didn't they attack Macrag?

fallow drum
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I think Sons of Horus did

storm jungle
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Macragge is a bit later

little gust
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Black Legion?

storm jungle
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Black Legion is also later lol

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its what Abaddon turns Horus's legion into

little gust
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Oh true

fallow drum
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I remember a Ultramarine world that defended Macrag was taken by Sons of Horus

little gust
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Abaddon the Despoiler, he lived as he commanded, a failure

fallow drum
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IDK if the Bearers attacked it afeter

storm jungle
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Word Bearers messed with the ultramarines a lot during the Heresy

fallow drum
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It was payback so it would make sense they did it

storm jungle
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Im not an expert on that front but I know they did a few stuff here and there to deter them before the Siege on Terra started

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also yep that too

fallow drum
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THat was a major embarrassment for the legion so I'd imagine the word bearers would have died to even try and get revenge

little gust
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Ironwarriors vs Imperial fists

fallow drum
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I really like the Imperial fist

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But I prefer the emperor's golden bois

storm jungle
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Everybody likes the custodes

fallow drum
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Give me a spear that doubles as a gun any day

little gust
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the custodes are the lone wolf, thunder warriors

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I think they take on a death world with limited supplies

fallow drum
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A few custos can take down a primarch

mint crest
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SIEGE

fallow drum
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I want a Space Hulk Deathwing that let's you play as the golden bois

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But instead of gene stealers it's chaos

little gust
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The space hulk might as well be empty

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also hard to convince the golden boys to even work together

fallow drum
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Yeah they are pretty lone wolf but deathwing does a good job with letting you feel pwerful. Like you really are wearing terminator armor

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get that with vermintide level world

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perfect

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but yeah it is empty

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anyways good talk guys.. TY for the help cya

little gust
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np

barren tapir
# little gust didn't they attack Macrag?

Yes, the word bearers attacked ultramar during the hours betrayal, it was called the shadow crusade and included even some world eaters... It was a way to repay the ultramarines to the destruction of monarchia

ashen zenith
rotund siren
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yeah, if you're dumb, you won't think about stuff, like going against the Emperor, or realizing you're in a grimdark setting

mint crest
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or wondering why everything is so fucking horrible and hopeless for 99.99999999999% of all life

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a quote from markus kruber perfectly fits the attitude of planetary governers concerning living conditions

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Stand up, shape up, or shut up!

fallow drum
coarse mirage
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Girlyman had felt terrible when he was fixed and saw what the imperium is now

mint crest
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rowboating girlyman

little gust
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Robuto Guiliman, Primarch of the Ultramarines, Lord Commander of the Imperium

mint crest
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yo nailoth isnt that pfp a character from a porn animator?

little gust
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Mmmmmaybe

mint crest
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good taste my friend

little gust
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I realize something
Vulkan falls in line with the old legend of John Henry

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kinda

smoky breach
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Are tau fire warriors more frail than eldar’s dire avengers?

atomic pelican
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Tabletop or lorewise?

smoky breach
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Lorewise

atomic pelican
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Lorewise probably yeah, any aspect warrior is pretty stronk

little gust
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and fast

atomic pelican
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Yee

smoky breach
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Hmmm, I see. Thanks.

atomic pelican
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In most instances if its "is the eldar stronger/more elite than [individual]" its probably yes

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Unless ur talking abt GW's needy baby boys who cant be worse than anyone at anything - space mahrens

coarse mirage
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Tau are weaker than anything

odd sparrow
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nah

atomic pelican
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Fire Casters could beat you to death with their fists pretty easily, It's just they have the IG flashlight effect

odd sparrow
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fire warriors are usually depicted as p swole, being a warrior caste and all

atomic pelican
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They aren't good comparatively in melee to everything else

little gust
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Ha, have you've seen a tau firing squad

atomic pelican
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So people think they suck

little gust
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you can't even get close enough for the mele

odd sparrow
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ye. Like, people hear tau are, on average, slightly weaker or equal to regular humans and fans default to BLUE FISH COMMIE BIG WEAK

little gust
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lets not even forget about the crisis suits

atomic pelican
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I'm pretty sure fire caste are probably on average stronger than like, your usual mook human

plucky moth
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they cute tho

atomic pelican
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Considering they are literally bred for war

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u right

coarse mirage
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They’re afraid of melee. Of course they’re weak.

odd sparrow
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I imagine fire caste as being a lil bit stronger yea

atomic pelican
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I still think a earth caster could pipe wrench someone to death

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They're THICC

coarse mirage
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Earth caste are stocky

odd sparrow
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i imagine earth caste being kinda equal, water caste being a lil weaker and air caste being basically twigs

atomic pelican
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Yeeeee

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Air Caste are so LONG

odd sparrow
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ikr

little gust
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Water caste guys

atomic pelican
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Spindally little fellas

little gust
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water caste

odd sparrow
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i'm scared i might break a bone by breathing on them

storm jungle
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Caste of Water

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🤽

little gust
atomic pelican
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Air Caste are uneasy to look at, I'm glad all their minis are hidden in their aircraft

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Also

mint crest
atomic pelican
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Good gif

plucky moth
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WATAH

atomic pelican
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OGHGN

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THAT'S CURSED.

odd sparrow
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same, they're so jarring

storm jungle
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AW GOD

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MICHAEL JORDAN LOOKIN' ASS

odd sparrow
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hoidsj

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it's DIRE

final seal
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xcom time

coarse mirage
odd sparrow
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earth caste best caste, tbh

atomic pelican
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U right

little gust
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Fire caste is best caste

atomic pelican
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I love all their whacky science shit

mint crest
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lengthy fellas

little gust
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you can't beat Crisis suits!!

coarse mirage
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Their mechs are cool but the Tau themselves are no fun

odd sparrow
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who builds the crisis suits

little gust
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true

atomic pelican
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Tau are good

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die mad

odd sparrow
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also with like. the general temperament of earth caste

little gust
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but fire cast use the suits

odd sparrow
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they're super quiet and humble and even tempered

storm jungle
atomic pelican
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U right

odd sparrow
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we stan

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plus they're stocky

mint crest
odd sparrow
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which is a strong aesthetic in all things

storm jungle
odd sparrow
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ayy tau genestealers

coarse mirage
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@storm jungle No, ork mechs are not cool but orks are

storm jungle
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👀

atomic pelican
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I love that one earth caster

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who invented the uhh

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Supremacy and the forgeworld suits

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who just

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stole stealthsuit funds basically

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for them

odd sparrow
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lol

storm jungle
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pulled an MGS1

atomic pelican
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Instead, Fio'O Ke'lshan Sho'Aun turned to the Ethereal Council's demand for improved stealth and infiltration units, appropriating resources intended for the creation of a new Stealth Suit to the R'varna project

coarse mirage
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Farsight is interesting

odd sparrow
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poor water caste trying so hard to keep the tau bureaucracy coherent

atomic pelican
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I'm gonna ball on the rebel

odd sparrow
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meanwhile the earth caste is just yea i know but have you considered the sheer fucking SIZE of the gundams i could create

atomic pelican
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YEAH

odd sparrow
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if aun'va was here he'd be on my side

little gust
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gotta remember the bad playstation game where the Tau was the main protognist in the 40k game

atomic pelican
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He would be

little gust
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fps

coarse mirage
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Fire Warrior

atomic pelican
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Fire Warrior was the only canonical depiction of a fire warrior

odd sparrow
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this is true.

atomic pelican
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As in, capable of killing a lord of change

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solo.

odd sparrow
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as well as dreadknoughts, countless SM and CSM

little gust
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I never want to play that game ever again

odd sparrow
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this is as it should be

atomic pelican
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The only reason the Imperium survives is because Shas'La'Kais has allowed them to live.

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for now.

little gust
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"its quiet"

little gust
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I can hear it, whenever I hear "Fire warrior"

atomic pelican
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You should

coarse mirage
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The only reason the Tau survive is because the Tyranid keep rescuing them. Wut

little gust
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"its quiet"

atomic pelican
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Reminder of the man's presence

odd sparrow
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the nids are a firm ally of the greater good

atomic pelican
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correct.

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Finally

final seal
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does nids really ignore tau?

mint crest
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didnt the necrons work with the tau at some point?

odd sparrow
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we put carrots on sticks and point them towards the imps

atomic pelican
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Nah Tau fighting nids have been a big deal

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It's part of the reason the Supremacy exists

storm jungle
atomic pelican
#

to kill biotitans

odd sparrow
#

at this point tau have honestly fought most factions in some capacity

atomic pelican
#

Yeeee

coarse mirage
#

The tau meeting the necrons for the first time was fun

atomic pelican
#

Except maybe eldar

#

like craftworlds

coarse mirage
#

Oh hello there friends come sit BZAP

odd sparrow
#

yea i don't think they've fought craftworlds

atomic pelican
#

I know they've met them

#

Tau have little reason to fight Craftworlds tho so

storm jungle
atomic pelican
#

Oohh

storm jungle
#

they also got herded by some Harlequins to a tyranid infested world, thousands died so a single webway gate could be kept safe DKJSDFKJS

odd sparrow
#

fucking elves

atomic pelican
#

Damned clowns

storm jungle
#

fucking elf clowns

mint crest
#

"haha vagina head"

fighting ensues

little gust
#

Harlequins are the weird ones

coarse mirage
#

Tau haven't really gotten to fight anything in a greater capcity because anyone else would destroy them. THey keep getting lucky.

odd sparrow
#

the clown elves deserve death.

atomic pelican
#

Are you ok

#

Do you need help or are you upset you're being ignored

storm jungle
#

Im so tired of this btw

coarse mirage
#

Harlecunts

little gust
#

There's their troop masters, and than the harliqueens

storm jungle
coarse mirage
#

Trazyn has some harlequins in one of his displays.

storm jungle
mint crest
#

i didnt know this as an expicit fact stated in lore but i knew he had them

#

i know that he has everything

#

even if not stated

odd sparrow
#

they're headass here like

#

inching a few planets forward every couple of generations

storm jungle
#

They actually stick to what they have and fortify their positions basically

coarse mirage
#

THe book I'm reading that involves him talks about several of his displays. One of them contains harlequins

atomic pelican
#

It's also the fact that they fight any invasion to a near stalemate, grinding down a larger force

odd sparrow
#

and yea that too

#

they're also a really hard nut to crack

#

smol but hard

atomic pelican
#

United, consolidated, and powerful

odd sparrow
#

ye

atomic pelican
#

They're basically the opposite of the Imperium because their government actually functions

storm jungle
#

They could just like be the imperium; aka spread themselves thin so they get buttsexed by every faction in existence

odd sparrow
#

you mean they actually have a coherent government

atomic pelican
#

YEAH

#

DSHUNF

odd sparrow
#

and it's not just a clusterfuck

coarse mirage
#

cough Farsight

storm jungle
#

yeah like the Imperium loses worlds daily

#

lol

atomic pelican
#

You do know that the enclaves are like

mint crest
#

the main threat to other factions with the tau is their tech and tactics. there not a lot of honour in the tactics by the imperial standards but they work very well

atomic pelican
#

silly small right

#

Like irrelevantly small to the Tau

coarse mirage
#

Because the Imperium is huge

storm jungle
#

Size doesnt matter lol

atomic pelican
#

Who won vietnam

coarse mirage
#

....

storm jungle
#

dotdotdotdot.

atomic pelican
#

Small forces can beat large ones

little gust
#

We are diverting here

odd sparrow
#

The whole thing with the tau is they're really small right now but they're advancing and expanding waaayy faster than the imps are comfortable with

coarse mirage
#

Take a look at the Tau territory and hten look at the Imperium.

atomic pelican
#

That doesn't matter

#

The Imperium doesn't really control all its territory

#

Like the tau do

plucky moth
#

the imperium is a shitshow

storm jungle
#

^

#

Yall forget they lose worlds daily as much as they conquer new ones

coarse mirage
#

Neither does the Tau with Farsight.

atomic pelican
#

???

little gust
#

Not with the Lord Commander it isnt

atomic pelican
#

Farsight isn't in tau territory

little gust
atomic pelican
#

He's past the gulf

storm jungle
coarse mirage
#

RIght, and they don't control it.

atomic pelican
#

They have never

#

Do you like

#

Know how small the enclaves are compared to the tau empire?

#

Lemme get the map

odd sparrow
#

yeah the imperium is a barely coherent collection of different planets and sectors all kinda vaguely put under the same umbrella with no real coherent governing structure keeping them together. It's also the most ridiculously inefficient bureaucracy imaginable, extremely backwards in thinking and administration, u get the vibe

atomic pelican
#

Notice

#

the tiny like

odd sparrow
#

even just organising an invasion of any given lil xenos empire is lowkey difficult for them

atomic pelican
#

4 planets

#

in the top left corner

odd sparrow
#

tbh I'm still not totally clear on how big the tau empire is meant to be

coarse mirage
#

All races are like that though

mint crest
#

the imperium has too great of a focus on the gain of their individual politicians and too little of a focus on the imperium as a whole. there is no true unity

odd sparrow
#

i get that GW wants to keep it ambigious cus like, that way they can write in indefinite numbers of new tau planets, but still

coarse mirage
#

And now the Tau are slaughtering axuliaries cus they made a new god.

atomic pelican
#

no

#

that's the 4th sphere tau

#

who have been reprimanded

#

oh my this is the aos effect

coarse mirage
#

Yeah how did that go?

atomic pelican
#

"surface level knowledge of the lore"

#

makes broad sweeping claims

odd sparrow
#

yep

storm jungle
coarse mirage
#

I'm not insulting your mother, you don't need to get so worked up.

atomic pelican
#

We hear this like every day my guy

odd sparrow
#

?????

atomic pelican
#

Lul

royal herald
#

im so confused

plucky moth
#

ok kids, play nice

odd sparrow
#

fight

plucky moth
#

it's like 5am and I can't sleep

atomic pelican
#

KILL

odd sparrow
#

we have to keep incan awake

royal herald
#

MAIM

odd sparrow
#

BURN

coarse mirage
#

Silly Tau.

little gust
#

I will use your blood as lotion

mint crest
#

RIP AND TEAR

#

RIP AND TEAR

#

RIP AND TEAR

atomic pelican
#

mad because gue'la

#

sad.

odd sparrow
#

i don't know if blood is a good moisturiser

atomic pelican
#

This man eating corpsestarch

plucky moth
#

anyway the point is elves and tau are both worthy of respect

coarse mirage
#

Deys all gud krumpin

#

Too talky dou

little gust
#

Aldari are cool

odd sparrow
#

treasure the elf

#

kroot are still by far the best race tho

#

hot take

storm jungle
#

beakie boyz are the best

coarse mirage
#

#FreeKroot

#

Was it a supplement they're getting?

atomic pelican
#

Unlikely

#

GW is trying to pretend they don't exist so far

coarse mirage
#

They were getting something

odd sparrow
#

yea tau auxiliaries never get anything ouifsdgs

#

besides like

#

that one blackstone fortress model

atomic pelican
#

Dahyak!

#

He's cool

odd sparrow
#

ye! it's a really good model

odd sparrow
#

i might include them in my tau killteam, whenever i get around to making it uwu

#

birdboys bestboys

atomic pelican
#

Yesss

coarse mirage
#

I'm so sure I talked elsewhere about the kroot getting someting new

odd sparrow
#

esp since like, u can't make a tau themed merc force without kroot

atomic pelican
#

Don't think so

#

And u right

odd sparrow
#

yeah i've heard nothing about new kroot stuff

little gust
#

you could A krrot them

atomic pelican
#

Pretty sure if Kroot were getting anything It'd be like all over any tau space

little gust
#

you know, like recruit

#

but like kroot

coarse mirage
#

Maybe it was Kroot mercenaries

#

Ah the most recent thing involving the Kroot was that the Dark Eldar screwed them over?

mint crest
#

they screw everything over

#

and they screw everything

coarse mirage
#

"As of the most recent Dark Eldar codex, the Haemonculus Covens has taken a liking to the way Kroot gastronomy reacts to evolution and had conducted a gigantic raid which, to put it lightly, utterly destroyed Pech a new one. "

storm jungle
#

Not even screwed them over

#

it was a case of "oh hey you guys got some neat genes, me wants it."

coarse mirage
#

Would you say

#

that the DE were

#

gene stealing?

storm jungle
#

DONT DO IT

#

GOD DAMN IT

storm jungle
mint crest
#

Consider: Necrons taking their pets into biotransference with them because they don't want to be separated from them.

storm jungle
#

Oh my god that reminds me

#

some people theorize that scarabs might be that exact thing lol

mint crest
#

GOOD

storm jungle
#

the necrontyr poodles have been reduced to this:

mint crest
#

PUPY

storm jungle
mint crest
#

OMG I LOVE THIS GIF

#

id get nitro just to use that

storm jungle
#

Ayyy happy to hear that

#

and trust me if you got a steady income nitro is worth it

#

👀

mint crest
#

noted

coarse mirage
#

Dogtyr

mint crest
#

yeeees!

coarse mirage
#

I just learned the Tyranids have something called Narvhal

#

And it's pretty neat

#

I'm wondering, have there been any rogue swarms?

#

I know there's been plenty of unconnected tyranids, but they are beastial. I'm wondering if there's been actual coherent swarms

jaunty zenith
#

to my knowledge there have been rogue swarms that were stranded and went into hibernation

coarse mirage
#

But none that opposed the Hive Mind?

vagrant osprey
#

Fun fact: It's mathmatically impossible to feed a hive with corpse starch if corpse starch is actually made from corpses.

coarse mirage
#

Tyranids eat anything

rotund siren
#

sure, but corpse starch doesn't have enough stuff

coarse mirage
#

But yeah if you look at it, it wouldn't be functional.

rotund siren
#

nutrients

#

that's the word

#

yeah

#

them some massive fuckers

coarse mirage
#

Just like how friggin magic isn't functional either :p

rotund siren
#

lol, true

coarse mirage
#

There was a zoanthrope that consumed the entire soul circuitry of a craftworld once though

#

Nom nom

rotund siren
#

Holy shit

#

that is seriously grimdark, considering

coarse mirage
#

Mind you the Tyranids eat their own fallen as well

#

But it would still be an energy loss, I think

rotund siren
#

yeah

#

they even acknowledge that

#

in the failed attack on Lucius

coarse mirage
rotund siren
#

where the Mechanicus managed to starve out the Tyranids

#

by having only servitors face them

coarse mirage
#

It'd help the nids if they digested armor and such too

#

I kinda don't understand why they don't.

rotund siren
#

maybe they are so old, they existed before metal

coarse mirage
#

If they suck up atmospheres, why not digest servitors?

rotund siren
#

and so they are incapable of digesting it

coarse mirage
#

They adapt to worse things

rotund siren
#

Also

#

rock is one of the most abundant materials in the universe

#

that is a good point

coarse mirage
#

I think it's more of a designed weakness, so they aren't so OP

rotund siren
#

yeah

#

hey, maybe the C'tan made them or something, eh?

#

hence not being able to eat metal

coarse mirage
#

But you see those big vore monsters that go around eating behind the swarm just chug up whatever there is. I find it hard to believe they'd spit up armor.

barren tapir
#

They can eat metals, it is just that it is a long process and it doesn't give much nutrients

rotund siren
#

OOOHHH

#

thank you for the information Truth

coarse mirage
#

But maybe there's some alloys or whatnot that are really delicious?

#

There are some absurdly strong acids in their arsenal

primal tide
#

There's that creepy story of a group stranded in a space station or whatever as it's swallowed whole, the whole station proceeds to eventually get drowned in stomach acid or whatever

barren tapir
#

A nid ship just eat a listening space station of the imperium, and its metal got eaten, although much slowly than the flesh of the poor guys inside that station

primal tide
#

Yeee

barren tapir
#

Exactly what chapin said

coarse mirage
#

Yum

primal tide
#

Fittingly, that story is metal af

coarse mirage
#

What's it called?

primal tide
#

Idr, gimme a minute

#

Got it

verbal nest
#

Can someone explain the jarring difference in Warhammer Fantasy, I've seen some media where it looks like a nice gritty medieval fantasy thing. And other media where it's like some batshit crazy fantasy stuff

#

And no I'm not confusing it with AoS

primal tide
#

🤔

atomic pelican
#

Like within the setting itself?

verbal nest
#

Yes

atomic pelican
#

It probably depends on what era of WHF ur reading from

#

It was a very old setting

coarse mirage
#

Depends on where in the Old World you look

verbal nest
#

Oh there's eras

atomic pelican
#

Era like

#

I mean the setting ran from what, like the late 80s to 2015?

coarse mirage
#

Imperial towns are your typical medieval shitholes

atomic pelican
#

Kinda like how 40k's aesthetic changed alot

verbal nest
#

Ok so can someone give me the run down on the different eras and what they be

#

Plz

coarse mirage
#

Oh uh

odd sparrow
atomic pelican
#

Yee

#

Not like set eras, just changes in art direction/story direction

odd sparrow
#

ranging from the vermintide-ish gritty side to full warcraft-ish high fantasy

coarse mirage
#

Region, race, era

barren tapir
#

It also vary a lot on which part of the world you look at

verbal nest
#

The black pyramid if the Tomb Kings

Why it look sci fi

odd sparrow
#

there are a number of sci fi elements

coarse mirage
#

It's a floating magic pyramid

barren tapir
#

^^

atomic pelican
#

Yee WHF is pretty much still high fantasy overall.

odd sparrow
#

the old ones, the creators of all sapient life on the planet, are kinda just

atomic pelican
#

It just depends on what ur looking at

verbal nest
#

Yeah but the bottom of the structure gives off big sci fi vibes

odd sparrow
#

magical space lizard aliens

atomic pelican
#

Esp like, lizardmen temples

#

YEE

odd sparrow
#

yea. How gritty or high fantasy-ish it is does depend wildly on the faction

barren tapir
#

Lizardman temple are just grounded starships

coarse mirage
#

Lizardmen stuff is sorta techy

odd sparrow
#

basically the further away u get from the empire, which is basically just medieval germany dropped into a batshit fantasy world, the weirder it gets

coarse mirage
#

Skaven build all kinds of technology, like ICBM's

verbal nest
#

Parody comet

barren tapir
#

Take in consideration that the nukes that ikit use in TWW aren't present in the lore, he tried making them, but never managed to make them

primal tide
#

Redneck engineering only gets you so far

atomic pelican
#

Its rlly funny because probably the two most out there factions (Lizardmen and Skaven) of WHF remain mostly intact in AoS

#

Since they already were pretty up there in fantasy scale

primal tide
#

And very same-same model wise too Smug

atomic pelican
#

RIP

odd sparrow
#

inb4 rat ogres

#

inb4 weapon teams

#

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

primal tide
#

Pictured: actual skaven model

rotund siren
#

awww

sinful leaf
#

Dawwwww

mint crest
#

the little rodent

cloud kindle
#

He wants to be rattling gunner when he grows up

mint crest
#

guess what noise it makes

#

RATATATATATATATATATATATAT

rotund siren
#

that's a good pun

#

nice work

mint crest
#

💜

coarse mirage
#

Interesting

open marsh
#

Yep

#

It also still has a fully functional STC

#

which explains where Cawl got some of his tech

coarse mirage
#

What is it of?

open marsh
#

A full STC database

#

Everything

#

Every piece of knowledge known by humanity during the DAoT

coarse mirage
#

That's pretty massive

open marsh
#

During the events of Death of Integrity, the Magos managed to recover a "substantial fraction" of the database. If Cawl managed to recover a similar or larger fraction of it, it would well explain how he managed to make such advanced tech

coarse mirage
#

Well he got some info from Trazyn too

#

and in another book he gathers a C'tan shard, I think

open marsh
#

Nope, he works with a C'tan shard to get access to a map of Pharos Devices, to access the Necron teleportation system

coarse mirage
#

Doesnt he bring it with him?

open marsh
#

And this is all during / after the fall of Cadia

open marsh
coarse mirage
#

So if that ship saw the end of the universe to Chaos, is that already the ending?

open marsh
#

maybe, maybe not. It may have only seen the great rift and thought that was the end

barren tapir
#

Interesting...

#

That description remind me of the Slaughtersong

gray trellis
#

What are the Tau Castes?

vast frigate
#

Fire, Water, Earth, Sky, Ethereal

final spruce
#

Air, Fire Water, Earth, long ago they all lived in harmony

#

Actually they don'tbut now they do thanks to the Ethereals

vast frigate
#

Fire is the militairy, water is diplomacy, earth is builders engineers and science, sky is pilots and space workers

#

Ethereals are the leaders

coarse mirage
#

Air, not sky

#

The Farsight Enclave has no ethereals though, 'cus Farsight is cool.

open marsh
#

Strong independent Tau who dont need no ethereal

#

What the ethereals fear most of the Farsight Enclaves is that he will prove that the Tau don't need the Ethereals

coarse mirage
#

And he's got that cool sword

thick shadow
#

Earth caste are dwarves but t'au.

Air ones are super thin and looong.

And I heard female of Water ones has a breasts and "quite attractive" feminine figure.

※I might wrong at water ones.

coarse mirage
#

Yeah fire cast all look the same

#

#NotRacist

#

Jokes aside there seems to be very little gender dysmorphia in the Tau castes

open marsh
thick shadow
#

I just heard it from there and there

#

Just like all my knowledge to lore

atomic pelican
#

Those custom shadowsun sculpts want a word

coarse mirage
#

Custom

vast frigate
#

The water caste just have more humanoid features. Softer skin than the usual leathery, some form of bigger chest and less of a weird shape to their bodies for the usual humanoid species

coarse mirage
#

You reckon orks have souls?

storm jungle
#

They do iirc

#

but its not made clear since they themselves actually believe in re-incarnation

cloud kindle
#

orks can be possessed

#

but it does NOT go the daemons way

vast frigate
#

The ork will be like; LADZ DEREZ A GORK N MORK IN ME HED

#

LES DO SOME KRUMPIN YE?

cloud kindle
#

becomes a battery for the ork at the cost of his sanity

coarse mirage
#

has anyone listened to or read Shadowbreaker?

plush mason
#

ok they come from a wrold named Maccabe -_-

rotund siren
#

Maccabian Jannisaries

plush mason
#

so ima guess they are like an older version of the deathkorps

rotund siren
#

No

#

They're a different group entirely

#

Maccabia was a salt planet

#

where this guy Drusus died in a battle

#

then supposedly came back to life

#

and so a Shrine World was set up tehre

#

there*

weak fern
#

A Shrine world

rotund siren
#

though the Maccabians are really zealous

weak fern
#

Yes

plush mason
#

well i wouldnt really call the deathkorps zealots

#

more just really tried of living with a life dept

mint crest
#

suicidal maniacs

plush mason
#

yup

#

tho the deathkorps are one of the few that have a version of the afterlife

plush mason
#

those tubs...

#

there is a reason the real world WW1 armies never used that type of gasmask

#

they both restrict airflow and make it much harder for the soldier to move his head fully

#

ofc seeing as most deathkorps guardsmen dont live past their first battle i doubt that matters much for them

prisma lark
#

and are probably super vulnerable to any kind of... well, anything, really; any stray bullet, even if it flew pretty far from your face, could puncture it

plush mason
#

the rubber maybe

#

but the mask the deathkorps use is just a guillymask

#

the mask the german army made in ww1 and became the gasmask of the war

prisma lark
#

I'm mostly talking about the (very exposed) tube

plush mason
#

oh yeah that too

#

i read that the rest of the guardsmen call them "toy soldiers"

storm jungle
#

they kind of are

#

but they are still the best the Scions have to offer regardless

plush mason
#

i mean

#

its easy to be the best with that much money

#

better gear and better training

final spruce
#

I wouldnt call em rich kids but yeah Scions are called toy soldiers by the others because they are very obedient when it comes to orders

gray trellis
# mint crest suicidal maniacs

Not that much, they are indeed zealots, because they dont suicide in vein, like shooting himself with a gun, they are in a debt to the Emperor they need to pay, and the only way to pay it is dying being usefull to the emperor to the last.

barren tapir
#

Scions aren't rich, they own nothing, all their equipment is given to them by the munitorum

#

If you want rich people then there are the scintillan fusiliers

final spruce
#

Especially when you know most of them are orphan of likely noblemen or powerful people, but theit death forced the kids to join Military Elemental school

prisma lark
#

with how much hypno-therapy and the like they probably received in the Schola Somethingum, they probably don't have much choice in the matter 😦

storm jungle
#

Oh no that was the past

#

where scions as you say were pretty much brainwashed weirdos

#

they have doubled down on that stupid crap a lot

#

theres still some hypno indoctrination but its not extreme anymore to the point that they're just faceless elite goons

prisma lark
#

of course they have... did the authors have a Commissar behind their shoulder, by any chance?

storm jungle
#

👀

barren tapir
#

Well, they are still brainwashed, but with more traditional methods... Like religious indoctrination

#

And extremely punished physical test

prisma lark
#

so they're "only" indoctrinated religious fanatics now

#

well that puts them on par with Marines and Sisters at least

barren tapir
#

Imagine a spartan... Increase their training and the frequency of the training up to 10 times at least

storm jungle
#

Yeeee they arent the ones to spout of religious nonsense

#

they'll just aim, shoot and move on

final spruce
#

The only difference is that a scion might actually try to befriend you if you both share a mission

barren tapir
#

Of course there are also some very zealous ones, but that is more dependant on the regiment

#

There are also some that receive limited genetic improvement, and some that get better tech training

coarse mirage
#

this Shadowbreaker books speaks of things I can't find in wiki entries

#

like a warp anomaly named Alrashak

#

and now a Tau Shas'O is noting that the "Val sha have come"

open marsh
coarse mirage
#

"There was something else now, something new. He squinted at it, unable to comprehend what he was seeing. Right above the ship, another shape, far larger and sleaker, was phasing into existance, melting into reality like liquid filling an invisible glass. It's finished form was eerily familiar. It was a ship and Coldwave had seen its like only once before at the battle of Cor'leeth (spelling?) where he had stood against the Ya'hei (Tyranid) as a mere fireblade officer."

#

"Such a craft had been spotted observing the conflict from afar. His commander has ordered Tau jets to intercept. The strange ship had vanished before they even got close. Now they were here at Curdiza (spelling?) just when things had reached critical mass. The Val'sha had come."

open marsh
#

Probably Eldar

coarse mirage
#

Yeah Eldar

#

Dark Eldar

#

Just gonna keep listening :p

plush mason
#

arent the wood elves also in 40k kinda?

atomic pelican
#

Exodites yee kinda

#

They dont have much fluff/or any minis anymore really

plush mason
#

:/

mint crest
#

exodites are fucking cool

#

they just wanna chill on their planets

open marsh
#

Exodites are Eldar who returned to monke

open marsh
atomic pelican
#

MONKE

mint crest
#

yeah they popped up for the soul purpose of getting fucked over by both Trazyn AND Orikan

#

poor guys

open marsh
#

Hilarious tho

coarse mirage
#

Hah this is pretty good

#

a Shas'O in the end giving the finger to both Eldar and Deathwatch

#

Wow this book details part of what happens at death

mint crest
#

local fish with a cunt on its head says no to elf and roided cultist

rotund siren
#

WOW

mint crest
#

= )

open marsh
coarse mirage
#

Shadowbreaker

#

23 minutes left on it

#

Very interesting book

#

A compelling overarching story, good bolter porn and lots of little detail reveals and cool lore tidbits

#

an Eldar farseer arrives at the end and manages to search the entire planet for other psykers. An unsanctioned psyker notes how she felt the Eldar "looking" at her.

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I can highly recommend this book

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Two huge implications for the future in it too

prisma lark
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so in the middle of that cesspool that are the Steam forums, there is a pretty interesting discussion about Bolter caliber (unfortunately, between two people who can't admit when they're wrong)

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and after looking at various sources for the last 20 minutes, I came to the conclusion that... Games Workshop has absolutely zero sense of scale even on something as "minor" as the size of a weapon lulz

barren tapir
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These kind of discussion pop up in the steam forums quite frequently

odd sparrow
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GW and scale doesn't like. yeah. In any case

prisma lark
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THQ insisting on using .998 caliber on the Bolters in their games doesn't help

odd sparrow
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which is why arguing about gw fluff like that is a silly idea uwu

prisma lark
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definitely a bad idea, yeah

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Warhammer fluff has always changed depending on the writer

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(you'll never make me say that CS Goto is canon though)

barren tapir
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I wish GW enlist a firearm expert and try to fix that mess that is all their weapon categories

prisma lark
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I'm sure any firearm expert would have an aneurysm looking at how a Bolter is supposed to work

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but I'm no expert myself

barren tapir
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For sure it would have a hard time trying not to go crazy

coarse mirage
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Fatshark noted that there's MANY variations of the standard bolter

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Some of them small enough for a man to use

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It all depends on where they're made, who is using them, from WHEN they are made and so on

prisma lark
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or just enough to wonder how a Stalker can target two different targets given it only has a single target acquisition radar

barren tapir
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There are two main category of bolters, SM and normal humans... Then there is also one pattern that stand between those two categories

prisma lark
barren tapir
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When i want to mes up my mind i try to understand how and why they did made some stuff

coarse mirage
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I have to say this, and I feel that I can use this word because I am one myself, but there are a lot of autist in the fandom that need to calm the fuck down.

barren tapir
coarse mirage
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They likely don't or they wouldn't be usable by a regular guy

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I have this Wolf Guard model in VRChat who's bolter appears smaller than other bolters. But perhaps that's some kind of Primaris type bolter?

prisma lark
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thing is, no one has been able to provide any source so far on either side of the argument, so my answer is: we don't know, and GW writers probably haven't asked themselves the question either

coarse mirage
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Honestly, some times fun is more important than "realistic". If Fatshark needs to take some artistic liberty I'm fine with it.

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Thye could both probably find sources for their own arguments

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And neither of them would be wrong

prisma lark
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I definitely agree on you on that, realism before fun would give us another Space Hulk

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a fine game, but could have been so much more

coarse mirage
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@barren tapir I know how to spot 'em. Takes one to know one!

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But it's also that people are too used to arguing on the internet and that does things to you.

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Makes you rude, inconsiderate, overly defensive.

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Nobody shows respect so none is given.

plucky moth
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I disagree OleOneEye

coarse mirage
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You, you...poopiehead!

barren tapir
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In the grim darkness of the far future... There are meme-virus

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Lucky for us it is not bad

coarse mirage
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THe word meme had a meaning other than ours before we used it

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Still does

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But I can't remember what

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Something about things that are reoccuring?

plucky moth
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But yeah realism and 40k is like steak and ketchup

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You just don’t do it

coarse mirage
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Heresy

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Well done steak with ketchup

plucky moth
coarse mirage
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Only thing I might use ketchup on anymore is a hotdog or a burger

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or for a bit of sweetness in a sauce

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I much prefer mustard

odd sparrow
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ketchup is gross

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50% all the worst parts of a tomato, 50% sugar