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Batallion + patrol is 40 troups
Also you kind of need your troups since they have obsec
But they die fast
70+55 points
I mean the chimeras have never been cheaper
no no i meant the guardsmen
The troups however ? That's a yike
But yeah, ina 200 pt game you'll need atleast a brigade and a patrol
something silly
yeah i remeber conscript blobs
that didnt last thankfully
not because op or anything
but fuck moving all that
yeah idk, not talking like
full tourney meta
but i still feel guard shouldnt be that bad
they still seem like they get a lot of guns for their points
im probably wrong though
eradicators are some scary shit, i cant imagine russ's like that too much
They did
The blast changes made everything expensive
And bolter point cost ? Since all guards vehicle come with atleast 1, it also didn't help
thats fair, i didnt think about the bolter change
how much is a tank commander these days?
didnt they just widen the gap between them and regular tanks?
trying to get people to pick up the BS 4 guys
yeah they widdened it by 10 points
Which is useless
Since they heavily dropped the price of bullgryns
Units that were a must pick anyway
wow
So the price lowering of bullgryns just compensates the commander ones
its one of those units you gotta deal with though, and can soak quite a lot
not that its a threat turn 1
Yeah Ogryns are just something you babysit with 1 priest and 2 astropaths and make them sit on an objective
And then you look the other player in the eye and dare him to approach in charging range
i get that same vibe from lich guard
Because ogryns outside of that are useless
Necrons have orders that actually boost the movement speed and teleportation
Its easy to make those lich guards come to you
ogryn is different
Also, the average tank commander is running around the 300 point mark
oof
wat
thats not far off from my knights
tank commanders are good, but 300 points?
for no invul vehicle
thats a rough cost
Yeah all of that on an easy to oneshot chassisawell
Nothing 2 shots of lascannon can't solve
more than that usually tbf
lascannons are the freaking worst
you will eventually get that lowball and just not take a tank out
thats why mines exist
I actually looked a bit more
at the cost of a Tcommander?
Tank commanders, if you go on a smaller route are 230 points
like with battle cannon and bolters?
With demo + 1 lass + 2 hbolters
that sounds better
for 3 BS
thats not a bad price
but boy, then you get into the weirdism of 40k
and hope it does not get shot off turn 1
Well they are still quite fragile for a tank
though thats also a table setup kinda thing
yeah
no doubt there
but it packs a whollop for its cost, double shooting the main gun
but you are right, they gotta hit hard because they wont last
For that it needs not to move or less than half speed
Demo is supposed to be short range but can go upto 30" with the right regiment though
But with the abundance of cover, its not that hard to protect yourself from it
most i have seen is with either battle cannon
or the plasma
or the gattling, but thats a bit rare
Well you haven't faced the tournament teams then
i assume they are using TA for that
I'm just talking competitive units
ooof
makes sense
Nothing better than cucking a sm player
gotta get that damage 3
gotta say
i hope when IG gets their book
they take a hard look at baneblades
Please
Actually you know what ?
and costs CP
yeah as someone who plays knights
every time i see the baneblade im like
why
this is worse in like every way
Gotta bring the big guns
it has more guns, but
eh, its not greaty
but i already had lots of warglaives
and they do alright
but yeah
we dont play 'the game'
at all
we try to stop everyone else from doing it
which ofc
we cant really
but eh
what can you do
i just like robots
im also kinda lucky in another way, i never went loyal 32
so i didnt have to deal with losing that
You don't sound like what I'd expect of a "That Guys" which people say you have a chance of meeting 50% of the time you meet a knight player
im not gonna lie
if i was back in the room that added knights and riptides
i probably would have tried to stop it
they just dont feel like they are ever gonna be in a good spot
we are so singular in what we field, and it requires specific tools
They were in 8th but mostly as a soup option
thematically, it seems like it could have been cool
having a regiment and knights together, and painting them up
but idk
Only thing I want for Ig is to be able to run hellhounds
they blow on 4's dont they?
I thought being able to shoot in melee would be fantastic for them
The hellhounds yes
fuck thats a scary unit
Which makes them fun
They are an ok unit if you run them with reinforced threads and double flamer
That's 6 shots S6 AP 1 D1
Yeah and its pretty tough at T7 and 11 wounds
thats not too shabby, how much is a hell hound?
Can definitly charge into a group of infantry and laugh at them
banewolf sounds like an awful fursona name
we don't stan
unless thats your kink
,,,, i dont think death by toxic waste at high velocity is a valid kink
no but doing that TO someone probably is
sadists really do be getting inventive
and with that you have your crew
I like hellhound because its a tank meant to Cancel Drift into the nearest blob, shred it to oblivion and then explode on the heavy hiting dudes, doing a Vegeta kamikaze attack
It just sounds amazingly fun
i saw a battle report a while ago
where like
a gorkanaut exploded, which blew up a brass scorpion that was near it
Gas gas gas I'm gonna step on the gas
Chain reaction
pretty much the whole table was in range
orks v world eaters after all
kharn died, a bunch of other stuff died
was nasty
F
They auto include the heavy flamer now, no need to pay extra
nice
man
And like 1 cp
I feel, hellhounds drviers are already pointed as almost suicidal and with little to no regards to their own life
Them chosing to overload the payload just to go in a bang sounds nice
I mean Ork flyers already have a stratagem called "'Flying eadbutt" where the ork pilot choose to willingly crash and burn ON an unit he charges
Has the new IG codex been announced?
Not that I know off
Im pretty sure if it was announced we'd know
two after dark angels were revealed i'm sure but it isn't IG
Yeah if we knew there already would be memes and other news of it going around
Ahhh yeah this page
curious as to what the last codex is gonna be and if its even a new race GW was teasing about
i though it was dark eldar
Dark elder were confirmed as the first xenos codex
i couldn't find the post that updated that roadmap
Iirc they were meant to come out january
With dark angels
Perhaps scooted back a bit
ya dark angels is this Saturday
Lines up with the new hero and vs sisters mega box. Dg got pushed back a month due to covid and brexit shipping issues
the last codex at the right uses the "foreign alien races" artwork
so im curious as to what it is
Yeah, they use the new fungus aliens mentionned in another teaser where the eldars allied with them to fight off tyranids from the remnants of a chronomancer race
They are very cool
if I remember
the bottom left, above the very last image, are uhh
I know this, gimme a sec
Very interested to see the new xeno codexes, seems like they are getting a bit more creative with rules from what I know abt the new Deathguard one
I like the - T1 aura that expands with each turn with DG
Makes me rmember of 5th edition where rules were very fluff
More than crunch, which made some armies broken, especially Matt Wards
More fluffy rules are big in AoS so I imagine 40k will hopefully follow suit
We shall def see with Drukhari, considering they have alot of room for fluff stuff
When xenos team up with humans, is there something I'm missing, because I always assumed an Inquisitor would come around the corner with a bolter and BLAM literally anyone related to that
radical inquisitor
a truce of similar goals, till that ends
a good inquisitor does not let paranoia and superstition cloud your judgement, only fools and bigots quickly jump to conclusions, let a lone assume a xeno has beguiled the imperial citizens, inquisitor forces shall investigate and deduct the intentions of xeno filith until, it is a viable solution to enact, "purification"
They're going to publish books about the two redacted founding chapters?
No? Why would they?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Can somebody explain to me "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt"? I keep trying to find the explanation but keep coming up with different things. I remember it was mentioned in The First Heretic but I can't find it.
dumb people dont question the will of those above them, making it easy to control them.
basically just a reiteration of "ignorance is bliss"
Ignorance is bliss
OK but I for some reason remember the word bearer's having a different take on it
maybe I am misrembering
Chaos is tree, that grows, no matter how much your prune and cut, the tree grows ever more
Word Bearers have lots of biblical chaos lines
so yeah its normal to misremember a few
Well these Bearers are pre/during the heresy before they were taken by Chaos
I remember because I read it in THe First Heretic befor the Book of Lorgar
Lorgar Aurealian
^^^
LOL
Yeah their legion is not one I am well versed with
THat's why I was trying to remember their take on "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt"
If you want more info just hit up 4chan, it explains their schtick the best
and yeah sadly the word bearers like invented half of the evil quotes chaos worshippers use a lot lol
so it can get confusing
But that quote is also used in the Imperium right?
Oh yeah A LOT
World Bearers legion, I only know was during the crusade on Kronus
plus most of the traitor legions, were imperial
Here, might be more of help
I'm going through The Horus Heresy so Word Bearers are kinda spread around a lot
didn't they attack Macrag?
I think Sons of Horus did
Macragge is a bit later
Black Legion?
Oh true
I remember a Ultramarine world that defended Macrag was taken by Sons of Horus
Abaddon the Despoiler, he lived as he commanded, a failure
IDK if the Bearers attacked it afeter
Word Bearers messed with the ultramarines a lot during the Heresy
It was payback so it would make sense they did it
Im not an expert on that front but I know they did a few stuff here and there to deter them before the Siege on Terra started
also yep that too
THat was a major embarrassment for the legion so I'd imagine the word bearers would have died to even try and get revenge
Ironwarriors vs Imperial fists
Everybody likes the custodes
Give me a spear that doubles as a gun any day
the custodes are the lone wolf, thunder warriors

I think they take on a death world with limited supplies
A few custos can take down a primarch
SIEGE
I want a Space Hulk Deathwing that let's you play as the golden bois
But instead of gene stealers it's chaos
The space hulk might as well be empty
also hard to convince the golden boys to even work together
Yeah they are pretty lone wolf but deathwing does a good job with letting you feel pwerful. Like you really are wearing terminator armor
get that with vermintide level world
perfect
but yeah it is empty
anyways good talk guys.. TY for the help cya
np
Yes, the word bearers attacked ultramar during the hours betrayal, it was called the shadow crusade and included even some world eaters... It was a way to repay the ultramarines to the destruction of monarchia
maybe the same as "ignorance is bliss"?
yeah, if you're dumb, you won't think about stuff, like going against the Emperor, or realizing you're in a grimdark setting
or wondering why everything is so fucking horrible and hopeless for 99.99999999999% of all life
a quote from markus kruber perfectly fits the attitude of planetary governers concerning living conditions
Stand up, shape up, or shut up!
Nah if you read further down I meant how the Word Bearers pre-heresy took it
Girlyman had felt terrible when he was fixed and saw what the imperium is now
rowboating girlyman
Robuto Guiliman, Primarch of the Ultramarines, Lord Commander of the Imperium
yo nailoth isnt that pfp a character from a porn animator?
Mmmmmaybe
good taste my friend
Are tau fire warriors more frail than eldar’s dire avengers?
Tabletop or lorewise?
Lorewise
Lorewise probably yeah, any aspect warrior is pretty stronk
and fast
Yee
Hmmm, I see. Thanks.
In most instances if its "is the eldar stronger/more elite than [individual]" its probably yes
Unless ur talking abt GW's needy baby boys who cant be worse than anyone at anything - space mahrens
Tau are weaker than anything
nah
Fire Casters could beat you to death with their fists pretty easily, It's just they have the IG flashlight effect
fire warriors are usually depicted as p swole, being a warrior caste and all
They aren't good comparatively in melee to everything else
Ha, have you've seen a tau firing squad
So people think they suck
you can't even get close enough for the mele
ye. Like, people hear tau are, on average, slightly weaker or equal to regular humans and fans default to BLUE FISH COMMIE BIG WEAK
lets not even forget about the crisis suits
I'm pretty sure fire caste are probably on average stronger than like, your usual mook human
they cute tho
They’re afraid of melee. Of course they’re weak.
I imagine fire caste as being a lil bit stronger yea
Earth caste are stocky
i imagine earth caste being kinda equal, water caste being a lil weaker and air caste being basically twigs
ikr
Water caste guys
Spindally little fellas
water caste
i'm scared i might break a bone by breathing on them
Air Caste are uneasy to look at, I'm glad all their minis are hidden in their aircraft
Also
Good gif
WATAH
same, they're so jarring
xcom time
earth caste best caste, tbh
U right
Fire caste is best caste
I love all their whacky science shit
lengthy fellas
you can't beat Crisis suits!!
Their mechs are cool but the Tau themselves are no fun
who builds the crisis suits
true
also with like. the general temperament of earth caste
but fire cast use the suits
they're super quiet and humble and even tempered
You can literally say that about any faction lol
U right
earth man beefy
which is a strong aesthetic in all things
looks like regular tau to me chief
ayy tau genestealers
@storm jungle No, ork mechs are not cool but orks are
👀
I love that one earth caster
who invented the uhh
Supremacy and the forgeworld suits
who just
stole stealthsuit funds basically
for them
lol
pulled an MGS1
Instead, Fio'O Ke'lshan Sho'Aun turned to the Ethereal Council's demand for improved stealth and infiltration units, appropriating resources intended for the creation of a new Stealth Suit to the R'varna project
Farsight is interesting
poor water caste trying so hard to keep the tau bureaucracy coherent
I'm gonna ball on the rebel
meanwhile the earth caste is just yea i know but have you considered the sheer fucking SIZE of the gundams i could create
YEAH
if aun'va was here he'd be on my side
gotta remember the bad playstation game where the Tau was the main protognist in the 40k game
He would be
fps
Fire Warrior
Fire Warrior was the only canonical depiction of a fire warrior
this is true.
as well as dreadknoughts, countless SM and CSM
I never want to play that game ever again
this is as it should be
The only reason the Imperium survives is because Shas'La'Kais has allowed them to live.
for now.
"its quiet"
I can hear it, whenever I hear "Fire warrior"
You should
The only reason the Tau survive is because the Tyranid keep rescuing them. 
"its quiet"
Reminder of the man's presence
the nids are a firm ally of the greater good
does nids really ignore tau?
didnt the necrons work with the tau at some point?
we put carrots on sticks and point them towards the imps
Nah Tau fighting nids have been a big deal
It's part of the reason the Supremacy exists
that was the blood angels
to kill biotitans
at this point tau have honestly fought most factions in some capacity
Yeeee
The tau meeting the necrons for the first time was fun
Oh hello there friends come sit BZAP
yea i don't think they've fought craftworlds
They have actually but its really small in capacity
Oohh
they also got herded by some Harlequins to a tyranid infested world, thousands died so a single webway gate could be kept safe DKJSDFKJS
fucking elves
Damned clowns
fucking elf clowns
"haha vagina head"
fighting ensues
Harlequins are the weird ones
Tau haven't really gotten to fight anything in a greater capcity because anyone else would destroy them. THey keep getting lucky.
the clown elves deserve death.
Im so tired of this btw
Harlecunts
There's their troop masters, and than the harliqueens

Trazyn has some harlequins in one of his displays.
He has literally everything
i didnt know this as an expicit fact stated in lore but i knew he had them
i know that he has everything
even if not stated
nah that's not really how they're written. Like, it's less them being lucky and more that no other faction wants to, or can, spare the resources required to yeet one of the lowest priority targets in the galaxy
they're headass here like
inching a few planets forward every couple of generations
They actually stick to what they have and fortify their positions basically
THe book I'm reading that involves him talks about several of his displays. One of them contains harlequins
It's also the fact that they fight any invasion to a near stalemate, grinding down a larger force
United, consolidated, and powerful
ye
They're basically the opposite of the Imperium because their government actually functions
They could just like be the imperium; aka spread themselves thin so they get buttsexed by every faction in existence
you mean they actually have a coherent government
and it's not just a clusterfuck
cough Farsight
You do know that the enclaves are like
the main threat to other factions with the tau is their tech and tactics. there not a lot of honour in the tactics by the imperial standards but they work very well
Because the Imperium is huge
Size doesnt matter lol
Who won vietnam
....
dotdotdotdot.
Small forces can beat large ones
We are diverting here
The whole thing with the tau is they're really small right now but they're advancing and expanding waaayy faster than the imps are comfortable with
Take a look at the Tau territory and hten look at the Imperium.
That doesn't matter
The Imperium doesn't really control all its territory
Like the tau do
the imperium is a shitshow
Neither does the Tau with Farsight.
???
Not with the Lord Commander it isnt
Farsight isn't in tau territory

He's past the gulf

RIght, and they don't control it.
They have never
Do you like
Know how small the enclaves are compared to the tau empire?
Lemme get the map
yeah the imperium is a barely coherent collection of different planets and sectors all kinda vaguely put under the same umbrella with no real coherent governing structure keeping them together. It's also the most ridiculously inefficient bureaucracy imaginable, extremely backwards in thinking and administration, u get the vibe
even just organising an invasion of any given lil xenos empire is lowkey difficult for them
tbh I'm still not totally clear on how big the tau empire is meant to be
All races are like that though
the imperium has too great of a focus on the gain of their individual politicians and too little of a focus on the imperium as a whole. there is no true unity
i get that GW wants to keep it ambigious cus like, that way they can write in indefinite numbers of new tau planets, but still
And now the Tau are slaughtering axuliaries cus they made a new god.
no
that's the 4th sphere tau
who have been reprimanded
oh my this is the aos effect
Yeah how did that go?
yep

I'm not insulting your mother, you don't need to get so worked up.
We hear this like every day my guy
?????
Lul
im so confused
ok kids, play nice
fight
it's like 5am and I can't sleep
KILL
we have to keep incan awake
MAIM
BURN
Silly Tau.
I will use your blood as lotion
i don't know if blood is a good moisturiser
This man eating corpsestarch
anyway the point is elves and tau are both worthy of respect
Aldari are cool
beakie boyz are the best
They were getting something
yea tau auxiliaries never get anything ouifsdgs
besides like
that one blackstone fortress model
ye! it's a really good model
i might include them in my tau killteam, whenever i get around to making it uwu
birdboys bestboys
Yesss
I'm so sure I talked elsewhere about the kroot getting someting new
esp since like, u can't make a tau themed merc force without kroot
yeah i've heard nothing about new kroot stuff
you could A krrot them
Pretty sure if Kroot were getting anything It'd be like all over any tau space
Maybe it was Kroot mercenaries
Ah the most recent thing involving the Kroot was that the Dark Eldar screwed them over?
"As of the most recent Dark Eldar codex, the Haemonculus Covens has taken a liking to the way Kroot gastronomy reacts to evolution and had conducted a gigantic raid which, to put it lightly, utterly destroyed Pech a new one. "
Not even screwed them over
it was a case of "oh hey you guys got some neat genes, me wants it."

Consider: Necrons taking their pets into biotransference with them because they don't want to be separated from them.
Oh my god that reminds me
some people theorize that scarabs might be that exact thing lol
GOOD
PUPY

Ayyy happy to hear that
and trust me if you got a steady income nitro is worth it
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noted
Dogtyr
yeeees!
I just learned the Tyranids have something called Narvhal
And it's pretty neat
I'm wondering, have there been any rogue swarms?
I know there's been plenty of unconnected tyranids, but they are beastial. I'm wondering if there's been actual coherent swarms
to my knowledge there have been rogue swarms that were stranded and went into hibernation
But none that opposed the Hive Mind?
Fun fact: It's mathmatically impossible to feed a hive with corpse starch if corpse starch is actually made from corpses.
Tyranids eat anything
sure, but corpse starch doesn't have enough stuff
But yeah if you look at it, it wouldn't be functional.
Just like how friggin magic isn't functional either :p
lol, true
There was a zoanthrope that consumed the entire soul circuitry of a craftworld once though
Nom nom
Mind you the Tyranids eat their own fallen as well
But it would still be an energy loss, I think
where the Mechanicus managed to starve out the Tyranids
by having only servitors face them
It'd help the nids if they digested armor and such too
I kinda don't understand why they don't.
maybe they are so old, they existed before metal
If they suck up atmospheres, why not digest servitors?
and so they are incapable of digesting it
They adapt to worse things
Also
rock is one of the most abundant materials in the universe
that is a good point
I think it's more of a designed weakness, so they aren't so OP
yeah
hey, maybe the C'tan made them or something, eh?
hence not being able to eat metal
But you see those big vore monsters that go around eating behind the swarm just chug up whatever there is. I find it hard to believe they'd spit up armor.
They can eat metals, it is just that it is a long process and it doesn't give much nutrients
But maybe there's some alloys or whatnot that are really delicious?
There are some absurdly strong acids in their arsenal
There's that creepy story of a group stranded in a space station or whatever as it's swallowed whole, the whole station proceeds to eventually get drowned in stomach acid or whatever
A nid ship just eat a listening space station of the imperium, and its metal got eaten, although much slowly than the flesh of the poor guys inside that station
Yeee
Exactly what chapin said
Yum
Fittingly, that story is metal af
What's it called?
Can someone explain the jarring difference in Warhammer Fantasy, I've seen some media where it looks like a nice gritty medieval fantasy thing. And other media where it's like some batshit crazy fantasy stuff
And no I'm not confusing it with AoS
🤔
Like within the setting itself?
Yes
Depends on where in the Old World you look
Oh there's eras
Imperial towns are your typical medieval shitholes
Kinda like how 40k's aesthetic changed alot
Oh uh
a lot of the time the aesthetic of it just varies by the artist or game or whatever ur viewing
ranging from the vermintide-ish gritty side to full warcraft-ish high fantasy
Region, race, era
It also vary a lot on which part of the world you look at
The black pyramid if the Tomb Kings
Why it look sci fi
there are a number of sci fi elements
It's a floating magic pyramid
^^
Yee WHF is pretty much still high fantasy overall.
the old ones, the creators of all sapient life on the planet, are kinda just
It just depends on what ur looking at
Yeah but the bottom of the structure gives off big sci fi vibes
magical space lizard aliens
yea. How gritty or high fantasy-ish it is does depend wildly on the faction
Lizardman temple are just grounded starships
Lizardmen stuff is sorta techy
basically the further away u get from the empire, which is basically just medieval germany dropped into a batshit fantasy world, the weirder it gets
Skaven build all kinds of technology, like ICBM's
Parody comet
Take in consideration that the nukes that ikit use in TWW aren't present in the lore, he tried making them, but never managed to make them
Redneck engineering only gets you so far
Its rlly funny because probably the two most out there factions (Lizardmen and Skaven) of WHF remain mostly intact in AoS
Since they already were pretty up there in fantasy scale
And very same-same model wise too 
RIP
awww
Dawwwww
the little rodent
He wants to be rattling gunner when he grows up
💜
Yep
It also still has a fully functional STC
which explains where Cawl got some of his tech
What is it of?
A full STC database
Everything
Every piece of knowledge known by humanity during the DAoT
That's pretty massive
During the events of Death of Integrity, the Magos managed to recover a "substantial fraction" of the database. If Cawl managed to recover a similar or larger fraction of it, it would well explain how he managed to make such advanced tech
Well he got some info from Trazyn too
and in another book he gathers a C'tan shard, I think
Nope, he works with a C'tan shard to get access to a map of Pharos Devices, to access the Necron teleportation system
Doesnt he bring it with him?
And this is all during / after the fall of Cadia
No, because it was too powerful and wanted to kill him. So he lured it into a wormhole and cast it to some far flung corner of the galaxy
So if that ship saw the end of the universe to Chaos, is that already the ending?
maybe, maybe not. It may have only seen the great rift and thought that was the end
What are the Tau Castes?
Fire, Water, Earth, Sky, Ethereal
Air, Fire Water, Earth, long ago they all lived in harmony
Actually they don'tbut now they do thanks to the Ethereals
Fire is the militairy, water is diplomacy, earth is builders engineers and science, sky is pilots and space workers
Ethereals are the leaders
Strong independent Tau who dont need no ethereal
What the ethereals fear most of the Farsight Enclaves is that he will prove that the Tau don't need the Ethereals
And he's got that cool sword
Earth caste are dwarves but t'au.
Air ones are super thin and looong.
And I heard female of Water ones has a breasts and "quite attractive" feminine figure.
※I might wrong at water ones.
Yeah fire cast all look the same
#NotRacist
Jokes aside there seems to be very little gender dysmorphia in the Tau castes
Gonna need source on that last one
Those custom shadowsun sculpts want a word
Custom
The water caste just have more humanoid features. Softer skin than the usual leathery, some form of bigger chest and less of a weird shape to their bodies for the usual humanoid species
You reckon orks have souls?
They do iirc
but its not made clear since they themselves actually believe in re-incarnation
becomes a battery for the ork at the cost of his sanity
has anyone listened to or read Shadowbreaker?
Maccabian Jannisaries
so ima guess they are like an older version of the deathkorps
No
They're a different group entirely
Maccabia was a salt planet
where this guy Drusus died in a battle
then supposedly came back to life
and so a Shrine World was set up tehre
there*
A Shrine world
though the Maccabians are really zealous
Yes
well i wouldnt really call the deathkorps zealots
more just really tried of living with a life dept
suicidal maniacs
those tubs...
there is a reason the real world WW1 armies never used that type of gasmask
they both restrict airflow and make it much harder for the soldier to move his head fully
ofc seeing as most deathkorps guardsmen dont live past their first battle i doubt that matters much for them
and are probably super vulnerable to any kind of... well, anything, really; any stray bullet, even if it flew pretty far from your face, could puncture it
the rubber maybe
but the mask the deathkorps use is just a guillymask
the mask the german army made in ww1 and became the gasmask of the war
I'm mostly talking about the (very exposed) tube
oh yeah that too
arent this guys literaly just really rich kids in like the best armor money can buy?
i read that the rest of the guardsmen call them "toy soldiers"
i mean
its easy to be the best with that much money
better gear and better training
I wouldnt call em rich kids but yeah Scions are called toy soldiers by the others because they are very obedient when it comes to orders
Not that much, they are indeed zealots, because they dont suicide in vein, like shooting himself with a gun, they are in a debt to the Emperor they need to pay, and the only way to pay it is dying being usefull to the emperor to the last.
Scions aren't rich, they own nothing, all their equipment is given to them by the munitorum
If you want rich people then there are the scintillan fusiliers
Especially when you know most of them are orphan of likely noblemen or powerful people, but theit death forced the kids to join Military Elemental school
with how much hypno-therapy and the like they probably received in the Schola Somethingum, they probably don't have much choice in the matter 😦
Oh no that was the past
where scions as you say were pretty much brainwashed weirdos
they have doubled down on that stupid crap a lot
theres still some hypno indoctrination but its not extreme anymore to the point that they're just faceless elite goons
of course they have... did the authors have a Commissar behind their shoulder, by any chance?
👀
Well, they are still brainwashed, but with more traditional methods... Like religious indoctrination
And extremely punished physical test
so they're "only" indoctrinated religious fanatics now
well that puts them on par with Marines and Sisters at least
Imagine a spartan... Increase their training and the frequency of the training up to 10 times at least
Yeeee they arent the ones to spout of religious nonsense
they'll just aim, shoot and move on
The only difference is that a scion might actually try to befriend you if you both share a mission
Of course there are also some very zealous ones, but that is more dependant on the regiment
There are also some that receive limited genetic improvement, and some that get better tech training
this Shadowbreaker books speaks of things I can't find in wiki entries
like a warp anomaly named Alrashak
and now a Tau Shas'O is noting that the "Val sha have come"
Its almost like the wikis are incomplete and may contain inaccurate information

"There was something else now, something new. He squinted at it, unable to comprehend what he was seeing. Right above the ship, another shape, far larger and sleaker, was phasing into existance, melting into reality like liquid filling an invisible glass. It's finished form was eerily familiar. It was a ship and Coldwave had seen its like only once before at the battle of Cor'leeth (spelling?) where he had stood against the Ya'hei (Tyranid) as a mere fireblade officer."
"Such a craft had been spotted observing the conflict from afar. His commander has ordered Tau jets to intercept. The strange ship had vanished before they even got close. Now they were here at Curdiza (spelling?) just when things had reached critical mass. The Val'sha had come."
Probably Eldar
arent the wood elves also in 40k kinda?
:/
Exodites are Eldar who returned to monke
They popped up in the Infinite and the Divine
MONKE
yeah they popped up for the soul purpose of getting fucked over by both Trazyn AND Orikan
poor guys
Hilarious tho
Hah this is pretty good
a Shas'O in the end giving the finger to both Eldar and Deathwatch
Wow this book details part of what happens at death
local fish with a cunt on its head says no to elf and roided cultist
WOW
= )
What book is that
Shadowbreaker
23 minutes left on it
Very interesting book
A compelling overarching story, good bolter porn and lots of little detail reveals and cool lore tidbits
an Eldar farseer arrives at the end and manages to search the entire planet for other psykers. An unsanctioned psyker notes how she felt the Eldar "looking" at her.
I can highly recommend this book
Two huge implications for the future in it too
so in the middle of that cesspool that are the Steam forums, there is a pretty interesting discussion about Bolter caliber (unfortunately, between two people who can't admit when they're wrong)
and after looking at various sources for the last 20 minutes, I came to the conclusion that... Games Workshop has absolutely zero sense of scale even on something as "minor" as the size of a weapon lulz
These kind of discussion pop up in the steam forums quite frequently
Especially about weapons
GW and scale doesn't like. yeah. In any case
THQ insisting on using .998 caliber on the Bolters in their games doesn't help
which is why arguing about gw fluff like that is a silly idea uwu
definitely a bad idea, yeah
Warhammer fluff has always changed depending on the writer
(you'll never make me say that CS Goto is canon though)
I wish GW enlist a firearm expert and try to fix that mess that is all their weapon categories
I'm sure any firearm expert would have an aneurysm looking at how a Bolter is supposed to work
but I'm no expert myself
For sure it would have a hard time trying not to go crazy
Fatshark noted that there's MANY variations of the standard bolter
Some of them small enough for a man to use
It all depends on where they're made, who is using them, from WHEN they are made and so on
or just enough to wonder how a Stalker can target two different targets given it only has a single target acquisition radar
There are two main category of bolters, SM and normal humans... Then there is also one pattern that stand between those two categories
the discussion started on whether those smaller bolters used the same caliber as their "big brothers"
When i want to mes up my mind i try to understand how and why they did made some stuff
I have to say this, and I feel that I can use this word because I am one myself, but there are a lot of autist in the fandom that need to calm the fuck down.
The simple answer is no... If you wanna go and tell them the truth
They likely don't or they wouldn't be usable by a regular guy
I have this Wolf Guard model in VRChat who's bolter appears smaller than other bolters. But perhaps that's some kind of Primaris type bolter?
thing is, no one has been able to provide any source so far on either side of the argument, so my answer is: we don't know, and GW writers probably haven't asked themselves the question either
Honestly, some times fun is more important than "realistic". If Fatshark needs to take some artistic liberty I'm fine with it.
Thye could both probably find sources for their own arguments
And neither of them would be wrong
You are the 4th to say this
I definitely agree on you on that, realism before fun would give us another Space Hulk
a fine game, but could have been so much more
@barren tapir I know how to spot 'em. Takes one to know one!
But it's also that people are too used to arguing on the internet and that does things to you.
Makes you rude, inconsiderate, overly defensive.
Nobody shows respect so none is given.
I disagree 
In the grim darkness of the far future... There are meme-virus
Lucky for us it is not bad
THe word meme had a meaning other than ours before we used it
Still does
But I can't remember what
Something about things that are reoccuring?

