Having a check and apparently the origin is in Old World
#40k-lore-chat
open marsh
9th
The sons of malice have been around since like late 3rd edition, but they got their own story, with Malice himself making an appearance, in 5th edition
Then they showed up in the BFGA II game, and then in Cadia Stands novel
coarse mirage
I'd love to see them get something new
distant harness
I never got this complaint, astartes don't go insane like that and how is it any different to chaos warriors being a direct stand in for chaos marines anyway? The whole "they're forcing 40k into fantasy" stuff has just never made sense to me.
There's a crazy huge amount of mortals that aren't in any playable faction, too, they show up in basically every book.
atomic pelican
Yeppp
distant harness
It's weird how many aos complaints are like that imo
atomic pelican
It's mostly the people who get upsetti about it having like
barely a surface level understanding of it
distant harness
Exactly yeah, so many of the "issues" that get brought up are just so easily solved by looking into the setting at all
which is weird, because it does do plenty of dumb shit as well, and there are some big poorly handled parts about the setting overall imo
atomic pelican
U right
distant harness
but they barely ever get talked about, it's just wrong things or 5 year old sigmarine memes
crisp heath
As someone who played empire in the original fantasy battle, I was sad to see it end, but kind of excited that I can now take a mix of units alongside them ie dwarfs and elves, plus we're getting old world in a few years so that'll be decent I'm sure
I haven't tried AOS yet thouvh
I will do at some point
atomic pelican
I hope it comes with updated City of Sigmar models, they still use the old Empire ones
Also if U still got them old Empire models, City of Sigmar is like
amazing right now
tabletop wise
distant harness
Yeah I'd definitely like some updates to CoS, but I get why they haven't too, they do have a decent amount of units
atomic pelican
Yee!
distant harness
while some other factions very much do not lol
crisp heath
Yeah all I've got to do is finish the general on the Griffin and they're ready to roll
atomic pelican
They just need a refresh later on, when everything else is caught up
crisp heath
It's been half made for 6 years lol
distant harness
Lumineth had like what, 12 actual units?
atomic pelican
Well, good time to be back I suppose
And yeee
Lumineth had like 14 units but they just came out last year
and now they adding more
distant harness
Yeah that's what I mean, they're still adding new shit so I get why some older stuff hasn't been updated
6 years isn't really that long a period of time for a big project like aos imo, a lot goes into making models
atomic pelican
Yeee!
distant harness
Could be quicker no doubt, but I get it, this year can't have helped either lol
crisp heath
For sure! I've still got my greatswords, handgunners, halberdiers and cannon too. So I've got a good start. Only question though. They've gone from square to round bases?
crisp heath
I'll have a look at doing that soon then
atomic pelican
You can also find all the rules for AoS on Wahapedia now
New datasheets for all ur units and such
rose sand
making ssquares into circles
Unless you really wanna play at gw tournaments you should keep them as is
then you can play old world if you want when it releases and aos
rose sand
it isn't?
atomic pelican
No
It's like
a prequel of aprequel
It's set in a different time of WHF
Age of 3 emperors
rose sand
which is the year 2,000
atomic pelican
So It's like 30k
rose sand
the year 2,000 is basically when all the units in 3000 existed
atomic pelican
Oh yeee, just don't be expecting it to have the same support as a entire game
rose sand
the empire didn't invent anything new by then
atomic pelican
Which people seem to think i sgonna happen
rose sand
its also The exact year Mordheim happens
atomic pelican
Seeing Magnus the Pious is gonna b cool tho
dull flame
No Karl Franz. Rip.
Can't summon the elector counts
Or Thorgrim Grudgebearer
Or he's not high king yet, at least.
dull flame
dull flame
Todbringer looks like he wants to be at home
Or fighting Khazrak instead of Skarsnik
crisp heath
It's set during the war of the three emperors? Isn't around the same time Vlad tried to become vamp emperor by steamrolling them all one by one?
dull flame
Once the game is done. CA should just make lord packs adding missing characters in. No order. Just bundling a bunch of random lords in a pack to fill out the options.
That said. Valkia the Bloody better damn well show up in TWW:3
ancient kayak
depends how much they decide to update Chaos i guess which seems to be the case
crisp heath
I've still got loads to do on TWW2.. about 2/3 through my campaigns as DE and empire respectively. ARCHEONS invasion though. Damn he really just steamrolls everyone for a few turns.
dull flame
What's your chaos difficulty set to?
crisp heath
we'll probably get a new vlad model
Aren't they using the old character models as heroes in AOS? Looked that way on the website store.
weak fern
Ordertide
atomic pelican
Yeee some of them
dull flame
Apparently on legendary chaos invasion difficulty it's just nutty. Like 12 stacks spawn in both naggarond and the chaos wastes
atomic pelican
But it seems they're abou tto get aged out
Like
Vlad's old model is now jst titled "vampire lord"
crisp heath
What's your chaos difficulty set to?
I honestly can't remember. But he showed up with several 20 stacks.
ancient kayak
yh it even showes old square bases on some but they arrive with round
atomic pelican
Same for Isabella
crisp heath
And Mannfred
atomic pelican
But we getting some new vampires soon
crisp heath
Yesss the new ones look dope
I like how they all kinda represent the different families too
crisp heath
Truth. Wayyy back you used to be able to field state troops if you were playing Von Carstein family. Im talking roughly 15 years ago though. They played like loyalists.
ancient kayak
https://www.angelfire.com/wizard/warhammer6thedition/voncarsteins.gif what about our old vamps
crisp heath
Memories ☝
ancient kayak
one of the most generic vamps
coarse mirage
I've started listening to the The Beast series of lore with the first book being I Am Slaughter. Little did I suspect that it was a name Dan Abnett had given to a Space Marine.
There's another one called Chokehold
It's like a child naming wrestlers
dull flame
I have that series but I haven't gotten around to reading it. I hear it's ehhh
coarse mirage
I wanted the lore, it sounded interesting on the premise
I'm listening to 40k audiobooks on Audible
Apocalypse was interesting for the lore it revealed, I can recommend that one. Good reader voice too.
dull flame
100% will recommend Devastation of Baal, the Siege of Terra books and the Eisenhorn audiobooks
coarse mirage
Saga of the Beast was an audio drama, very well made with great voice actors, but the story wasn't very compelling.
dull flame
Oh and Helsreach. 1000% helsreach
coarse mirage
I think I've read the Baal book, where the angels and all their successors get eaten almost to a man
dull flame
Yeah. Hive Fleet Leviathan shows up on Baal
coarse mirage
I've almost finished Shadowbreaker (3 hours left of it) and it's been really good
dull flame
"To the Space Marines flocking to the world, the fortifications were the least of the Arx Angelicum’s qualities. Baal was a spiritual home to every transhuman in the fleet. No matter how far they had strayed from the grace of their forefather, and some had strayed far indeed, the Arx Angelicum was a reminder of Sanguinius’ actuality: that the Great Angel was no myth, that he had once been, that he had walked and fought and died for the dream of the Imperium. Sanguinius himself had built that fortress and he had dwelt there. At the sight of it those Chapters who had forgotten something of their heritage felt their love for Sanguinius shine anew, while those who still held their lord in their hearts were smitten with near-religious awe.
Relations between Sanguinius’ sons remained close. Their curse was their bond. Hundreds of those present had been to Baal on pilgrimage or missions of amity. However, thousands of the warriors had not, and on many ships of many colours, hardened warriors wept to see the world of their gene-father for the first time" - The Devastation of Baal by Guy Haley
coarse mirage
The author knows how to make twists and writes in a way where you keep getting new cool stuff happening and told to you
Yeah I remember when uh...I forget his name, the Blood Angel who's died like 3 times, doesn't get to die this time either.
dull flame
Poor Dante. He's not allowed to die yet
dull flame
I haven't read a bad Guy Haley book yet. So that's saying something. xD
coarse mirage
also listening to The Infinite and the Divine, about Trazyn and Orikan (spelling) fucking each other over for 10,000 years.
dull flame
Guy Haley, Dan Abnett, ADB and Sandy Mitchell can throw books at me all day
dull flame
I'm not sure if I have that one actually. Gotta check
coarse mirage
The other wolves hate his guts because he's such an annoyance
dull flame
Nope. Don't have that one surprisingly considering I have a ton of 40k books
coarse mirage
It's from 2018, so fairly new
dull flame
Actually the one Guy Haley book I don't really have much love for is Titandeath
dull flame
I'm always down for a good bolter porn book though. Just violence from beginning til end. I do like the mystery books too. Eisenhorn is real good for that
Haven't started the Ravenor series yet though. Hear they're just as good
coarse mirage
I'm wondering, a basic pattern Baneblade, is it the equal of any of the smaller knights or titans?
coarse mirage
is the smallest titan a warhound?
dull flame
Yep yep
coarse mirage
Would the equal of a Baneblade from the Tau be one of the largest warsuits?
Or a bunch of their floaty tanks I suppose
dull flame
coarse mirage
KNights are awesome
weak fern
Yes
dull flame
No knights there. All titans. :3
coarse mirage
The two largest look like knights though
dull flame
Warlord Titans. ❤️
coarse mirage
It's the shoulders and helmet
I think I have an old comic book that involved a story about a warlord titan
dull flame
coarse mirage
Some of the knights, if I recall, can be as large or larger than a warhound
Oh boy
HOW DO YOU EVEN TRANSPORT THAT
coarse mirage
Aw
open marsh
coarse mirage
Have you seen that youtube video of comparison on sci fi space ships?
open marsh
Yeh
open marsh
Thats from the novel "Burdens of Loyality"
(with an additional audio drama, The Binary Succession. One of my favs)
distant harness
titans are exactly as large as the author demands
open marsh
titans are exactly as large as the author demands
They have been given more standardized sizes in recent lore
dull flame
Numbers in 40k are whatever the writer wants it to be. An engagement can have 1000 men or 100 million men depending on the writer. 😛
coarse mirage
dull flame
Though in Krieg's case it's usually 100 million men
distant harness
Any sort of consistent size doesn't even make sense tbh
coarse mirage
Yes, I am triggered.
dull flame
Actually that's a krieg commissar.
Officers usually wear a helmet where the commissars will wear the hat
open marsh
The artist has promise, but he needs work
coarse mirage
Were there any crusade era tanks bigger than baneblade?
open marsh
Nope
coarse mirage
Learned that the Shadowsword version of a Baneblade is purely for titan killing
distant harness
Mastodons and ordinatus are larger I'm fairly sure, though the latter isn't a standard vehicle
capitol imperialis is way bigger by a huge amount too but I dunno when they were first made
distant harness
Ordinatus are fucking huge though, to the point I dunno if you can even compare them to other land vehicles in teh setting
coarse mirage
Ordinatus, big gun on treads
open marsh
I love how Ordinatus Armageddon showed God-Breaker that there is ALWAYS a bigger fish
coarse mirage
"Ordinatus Gehenna - equipped with an Apocalypse Cannon, capable of destroying mountains and punching a hole through the planet's crust to release magma. It was fought over during the 13th Black Crusade by the forces of Chaos and the Imperium.[2]"
Sweet
distant harness
They're ridiculous lol, the armageddon one medic mentioned has a fucking nova cannon on it
they're just the "fuck you in particular" tool for the mechanicus
open marsh
For those unaware. God-Breaker was a Ork MegaGargant that dwarfed even an Imperator Titan in size and firepower.
Ordinatus Armageddon one shot it with it's main gun, a short barrelled Nova Cannon
coarse mirage
I remember seeing a good parody of the Meet the Engineer video but it was a tech priest, "And if that don't work, use more gun"
dull flame
"Ordinatus Hervara - resembles the Ordinatus Mars. Believed to have been sent to Hervara for refit after the Great Crusade, it was forgotten until it was seized by Big Mek Noshdakka and the Astra Militarum launched a mission to recover the weapon." How the AdMech forgets they have an Ordinatus laying around long enough for it to get looted by orks I dunno.
distant harness
I mean do you want to be the guy in charge of fixing something like that?
dull flame
AdMech would love it I bet
coarse mirage
distant harness
ya until you make a mistake and get turned into a cooling unit as punishment
open marsh
"Ordinatus Hervara - resembles the Ordinatus Mars. Believed to have been sent to...
Ordinatus Armageddon was stored in an forgotten vault on Armageddon, until the Black Templars bust in there and hijacked it
dull flame
Yeah that's weird too. Such powerful weapons are just kinda forgotten about
The AdMech were pissed the Black Templars jacked it though. xD
open marsh
The usual Mechanicius MINE MINE MINE
They would rather it be lost than ANYONE, even an allie, have it
coarse mirage
@open marsh https://youtu.be/2TvN5lCVkRk
open marsh
Yes I have seen that....many many times
dull flame
"Before they can be sent to war, Ordinatus must be ritually blessed by the Lord of the Centurio Ordinatus. Failure to do so is considered tech blasphemy of the highest order. Due to the fact that each Ordinatus is a priceless relic of the Mechanicus, they are only activated and employed under the most dire of circumstances. Even a conflict on the same scale as the Third War for Armageddon was not considered motivation enough to even consider fielding one without performing the proper rituals."
So. If the Admech deployed an Ordinatus against the tyranids. Would they evolve new bioforms to combat it?
Ordinatus sized tyranids when?
cloud kindle
I want to know if the militarum was successful in recovering it
distant harness
I'm sure they'd try, but some ordinatus don't really have counters, they'd be better just rushing it with other shit than trying to make huge impossible lifeforms that'll still just get blown up by a nova cannon or whatever the thing has on it
cloud kindle
might have snuck onto it
though stealth guardsman against orks not sure it would be in the guardsman favour
dense glen
Also, the Ordinatus are new. This is the AdMech going we need to invent something because we dont have the plans to STC our way out of it.
That's why the Admech a) are terrifying, b) terrified by them and c) tend to forget they exist because they want to
prisma lark
Yeah that's weird too. Such powerful weapons are just kinda forgotten about
that's just kinda... the Imperium in a nutshell, actually
distant harness
ad mech are kind of weird with what they view as heresy tbh, like ordinatus are fine, but modifying other things is not allowed
but then you have darkfire cannons, which are basically just "well you can't prove this is stolen from aliens"
celest dome
Like cicatrice [sicatrice] but with the appropriate ending
rotund siren
Sick trix, bro
coarse mirage
trix are for kids
knotty cove
big brain conclusion about the SoB mech
her legs are just amputated
that's why it works
coarse mirage
I want the Imperial Navy to have shanties in space
mint crest
what do we do with a drunken guardsman instead of what do we do with a drunken sailor
rotund siren
voidman*
mint crest
that could work too
vagrant osprey
There's no point to the song. That's just their normal routine.
Why do to them when they're drunk what they normally do sober?
Ordinatus are also extremely stupid ideas.
There's diminishing returns on weapon platforms.
serene eagle
What is the historical inspiration for the main Guard regiments in lore?
odd sparrow
they're usually extremely obvious
open marsh
Cadia: Starship Troopers
Krieg: WWI
Catachan: 1980s American action movies
Etc
dull flame
Praetorians: British soldiers in the zulu war.
Valhallans: Soviet Infantry with mass casualties
celest dome
Vahalan: Communist Russia
Vostroya: Tsarist Russia
Preatorian are simply British Expeditionary Corp, they were also present in India and in the Dutch Indies
open marsh
Vostroyans are Russian Cossacks
storm jungle
Russia gets like 3 regiments for 40k goddamn
celest dome
Tanith: Scottish Commando
Tallarn: Arabs war/Lawrence of Arabia
open marsh
Attialan Rough Riders are Chinese Huns
barren tapir
Mordians are Prussians
I read some people linking them to the USMC
celest dome
Mordians are Prussians
Really ? they don't really have the same uniform
barren tapir
It look more similar to the marine one to me
open marsh
Armageddon Steel Legion are Soviet troops, generally modeled after tankers
barren tapir
There is even an italian inspired regiment... Sadly the tau conquered their planet and now we don't know what is their fate
celest dome
Oh god lets avoid the Armageddon, less we start a new debate about their origin
barren tapir
Or what inspired their look
open marsh
There is even an italian inspired regiment... Sadly the tau conquered their plan...
They were italian. What did you expect
barren tapir
They were italian. What did you expect
I don't get the pun... I guess i read too much about italians during WW2 to get it
celest dome
Dieperan something something, after the Italian Arditi
barren tapir
Alpini, mountain infantry of the italian army
barren tapir
Dieperan something something, after the Italian Arditi
Diepran moutain men... Their name given to them by the emperor himself
One of their troopers headshooted a CSM in one engagement
Their image isn't that bad too
open marsh
It's in the same vein as crapping on france for WWII
Italy was the first major axis power to surrender. Two years before the other two
barren tapir
Now i'm wondering if there is a regiment inspired by swiss army
barren tapir
It's in the same vein as crapping on france for WWII
Italy was the first major ...
Ah, so it was the meme that italians couldn't fight... I get it now
celest dome
More like there isn't a war where Italy switched side /s
open marsh
If people wanna know why 40k is so awesome and wacky, they need to read the Only War rpg book.
Vostroyans vs Severan Dominate. Basically Russian Cossacks vs Ancient Rome IN SPACE
barren tapir
In fact, i'm wondering if there are any other regiment that is focused on mountain warfare
Severan dominate also fight against tallarn
dull flame
Maccabian Janissaries need more love in the lore.
barren tapir
They are just cheap SoB and unisex
celest dome
I don't find them interesting, their armour look a bit like SM and they have the same personality
open marsh
They are just cheap SoB and unisex
This
barren tapir
Harakoni should get a bit more love IMO
open marsh
I don't find them interesting, their armour look a bit like SM and they have the...
Uh. what? Most SM arent lunatic religious fanatics. Nor are they suicide bombers
celest dome
Some Chapter are quite fanatical religious
open marsh
Harakoni should get a bit more love IMO
To be fair, Harakoni are just better Elysians
barren tapir
Wow, heavy words about the elysians...
barren tapir
I am fine saying they are similar but different, there is no superior one between the two
open marsh
Elysians are better
They are just Harakoni with less armour
Elysians are French paratroopers, Harakoni are American paratroopers
storm jungle
Maccabian Janissaries need more love in the lore.
also im late but i hate that as a turk that they're even called janissaries lol
they dont even have a turkic-eastern design
its another case of GW finding the word cool and snatching it without good context
rotund siren
yeah
open marsh
barren tapir
Well, TBH it isn't really a GW only fault... That word is really misused these days
storm jungle
Yeeeeah that too
barren tapir
I think they did go with that because of the link many people do between an organized copr with religion
open marsh
GW, give us sock hat Janissaries plz
dull flame
Also for the italian/mountain warfare regiment I'm purty sure it was these guys: The Dieprian Mountain Men https://1d4chan.org/images/0/0d/DieprianMountainMen_Art.png
open marsh
Aw yis
rotund siren
Is that a grappling gun?
dull flame
Aye. They were specialized in mountain/alpine warfare
barren tapir
Yes, their uniform there is really similar to that used by italians, but in the WW1 mostly
open marsh
Here is how Maccabian Janissaries should look
mint crest
for any of you wondering, the bardiche is the polearm with the huge blade that the guy in the front is holding. they could be anywhere from the size to the size of a halberd to the size of a dane axe
mint crest
YES
YES
YES
OR CHAIN BARDICHE
OOOOH FUCK YEEEEEAH THAT WOULD BE SO COOOOL!
GIMME A COMMISAR WHO HAS A POWER BARDICHE AND DOES HILARIOUS DAMAGE WITH IT
rotund siren
that would be amazing
half gull
whenever i hear bardiche
i just think of my diablo 2
and how they take up so much damn space
mint crest
should have a line of bardiche users just in front of the gunline to rip up anything that makes the mistake of trying to get into close combat
they're no space marines but they'll hold off a horde pretty well
or even better
the gun line also has the bardiche!
you wanna rush my gun line so they stop shooting you? ok well unfortunately for you they also have huge polearms to cleave you apart
odd sparrow
if ur gonna have stand to prop your gun on then why not also make it a polearm
mint crest
EXACTLY
and then when you make that load of enemies fall back you can just pick up your rifle and keep shooting!
crisp heath
Sweet dolmans too
vagrant osprey
Ordinatus Armageddeon *really* came in handy in dealing with God-Breaker
Soooo... A city-sized tank was extremely useful against... A city sized tank. They could have just sent in a platoon of Tempestus with a nuke and blown the thing up. Or rigged a nuclear anti-tank mine.
mint crest
but... big tanks!
vagrant osprey
Those have been a thing since 960M2.
vagrant osprey
Or, if you believe 0M0 was the start of time according to judeochristianity, which is possible given the lore, since 720m5
crisp heath
BIG TANKS
mint crest
BIG TANKS
crisp heath
BIG TANKS AND EVEN BIGGER TANKS
crisp heath
the baneblade wasn't big enough
mint crest
probably off shagging a necron
rotund siren
Death Stars are just planet-sized tanks
crisp heath
no they aren't
rotund siren
or moon-sized
crisp heath
they don't have treads
mint crest
not tank
crisp heath
NO TREADS, NO TANK
rotund siren
ah, of course, how could I have forgotten that crucial fact
mint crest
WHAT ARE THE REPULSORS THEN?!
THEY LOOK LIKE TANK BUT FLOAT
death star is just orb with dent!
vagrant osprey
Oh, there's plenty of reason to have big tanks, but diminishing returns sets in.
crisp heath
ALSO NOT TANKS. THE REPULSORS PUT MECHANIZED REGIMENTS TO SHAME AND MAKE ME CRY.
TANKS NEED TREADS. HOW ELSE ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO CRUSH ENEMY INFANTRY?
vagrant osprey
You say that, but Titans are popular.
mint crest
lets put legs on tanks
open marsh
Soooo... A city-sized tank was extremely useful against... A city sized tank. Th...
Go tell them that, see how their other defensive plans worked out
mint crest
also, the repulsor tanks move faster so you can just ram into enemies
final spruce
Nah repulsors are used to run away faster
vagrant osprey
40k is a series about everybody making the worst possible decision at every step.
final spruce
Tank without treads is for cowards
mint crest
its called a tactical retreat
green sedge
Not always the worst. Alpha Legion goes with second-worst.
sinful leaf
There's a few people who make good decisions. Like ciaphas cain.
But by and large, yes, they make decisions that are at best only good in the short term and terrible decisions overall.
vagrant osprey
Isn't Ciaphas Cain a massive coward who lucks into success while trying to save his own ass?
mint crest
oh and Cawl!
green sedge
Cain got into the Commissariat looking for an easy life. His entire books are framed around him highlighting his own bad choices.
mint crest
and Roboute!
knotty cove
aye mate good luck getting that nuke to its destination
open marsh
Plus 40k isnt about what practical, its about whats awesome.
green sedge
Cawl's mistake was thinking he was as cool as Arkan Land.
vagrant osprey
Ah, yes! Lets talk about the EXTREME TECH HERETIC who sacraligiously made BETTER Astartes using traitor geneseed.
knotty cove
Isn't Ciaphas Cain a massive coward who lucks into success while trying to save ...
He's got massive impostor syndrome, yeah.
cloud kindle
ciaphas cain is the hero of the imperium
knotty cove
Ah, yes! Lets talk about the EXTREME TECH HERETIC who sacraligiously made BETTER...
Yes.
He's a heretek.
mint crest
he made space marines MORE FUCKING POWERFUL
knotty cove
He's outright admitted being a heretek to a Space Marine before.
cloud kindle
hes a loyalist heretek
knotty cove
Mhm.
mint crest
^^^
knotty cove
Heretek and heretic aren't mutually inclusive.
open marsh
He's outright admitted being a heretek to a Space Marine before.
"Just because its heresy, doesnt mean it isnt true." - Cawl
vagrant osprey
Cawl pawned RG off on an AI and assumed he would be too dumb to notice.
green sedge
That seriously sounds like it would be abominable in the sight of the Omnissiah's faithful. sign of cog
knotty cove
Cawl pawned RG off on an AI and assumed he would be too dumb to notice.
Yes.
mint crest
"i love the imperium and want whats best for it but these rules are fucking stupid"
knotty cove
Or he knew that RG would notice and wouldn't really be able to do much about it.
cloud kindle
and cawl is eyeing the fabricator general position
final spruce
Nah, Cawl is just a boomer so extreme he still believes he is in 30k when people weren't stupid
knotty cove
and cawl is eyeing the fabricator general position
One of him is, ye.
Won't happen, though.
open marsh
"i love the imperium and want whats best for it but these rules are fucking stup...
Thats Cawl in a nutshell. He still holds to Mechanicum principles, he finds the modern Mechanicus to be fucking stupid (they are)
cloud kindle
would cause another civil war
open marsh
and cawl is eyeing the fabricator general position
No he isnt
vagrant osprey
Ah, yes. Sewing the seeds of Mars having another civil war when it could have no outcome besides the end of the Mechanicus.
open marsh
One of his personalities is.
The Cawl Inferior said he wants it, and Cawl noted that it is a lie.
mint crest
in usual 40k fashion i think cawl is gonna get murdered before the good he does can fully come to fruition.
knotty cove
The Cawl Inferior said he wants it, and Cawl noted that it is a lie.
I thought Cawl noted that he would have to pull in whatever personality/the Inferior that said that.
vagrant osprey
I'm pretty sure Cawl isn't even alive anymore.
green sedge
Ok but for real he has to have been doing some limited production with traitor geneseed to get the results he's had, right? Can't just be me.
knotty cove
He's not dead.
mint crest
no he is VERY alive
knotty cove
Ok but for real he has to have been doing some limited production with traitor g...
He is, yes. I think that's confirmed.
open marsh
I thought Cawl noted that he would have to pull in whatever personality/the Infe...
Nope. He mentioned that he never wanted the FG position, and when told the Inferior kept claiming he did he was like "Interesting....I'll have to fix that..."
knotty cove
Nope. He mentioned that he never wanted the FG position, and when told the Infer...
Ah, alright.
vagrant osprey
Let me clarify: "Alive" in any way the Imperium would recognize.
final spruce
Sothere are a few books going to be released , I wonder if they will make the plot advance
green sedge
It's hinted and winked at but I don't think it's entirely been seen.
knotty cove
I knew he said something about fixing it, but I thought it was in reference to an errant personality.
knotty cove
Let me clarify: "Alive" in any way the Imperium would recognize.
He's alive in the same way many techpriests are alive.
vagrant osprey
I'm pretty damn certain he figured out a form of biotransference.
mint crest
oooh right. yeah he can barely be called human other than most of his head
knotty cove
No.
vagrant osprey
I'm pretty sure that's not even his original head.
final spruce
Oh
knotty cove
He's still human, just absurdly augmented with xenotech and the like.
final spruce
Nurgle book !
open marsh
He is, yes. I think that's confirmed.
It is confirmed yes. And practically confirmed that he went against Guilliman's orders and has made entire chapters of traitor geneseed primaris (Sons of the Phoenix and the Covenant of Fire being the two prime examples)
mint crest
he did talk to old Trazyn on Cadia i think
mint crest
"wheezing cool thanks bro mechanical whirring"
knotty cove
cadia blows up
open marsh
He installed some necron tech into himself to be able to interface with other necron tech and control it
cloud kindle
to be fair cadia blowing up was more cause abbadon is a sore loser
open marsh
The most up to date lore on Cawl is in the novel Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work
mint crest
noooo you cant incorporate Xenos tech into your body nooooooo
haha necrons go sorrowful wailing of trillions
open marsh
Eh he basically uses the tech to hack into Necron data systems, steal their intel, and control scarabs.
vagrant osprey
Then he worked with the Eldar to use Xenotech to bring back RG
And pointedly DID NOT offer to use this to help the Emperor.
mint crest
did he refuse to?
cloud kindle
doubt the custodes would allow him anywhere near the palace
mint crest
damnit kitten let me into the palace i need to get my screwdriver!
open marsh
And pointedly DID NOT offer to use this to help the Emperor.
puts emperor in life saving armour, emperor rises, and terra fucking explodes because of the talisman of 7 hammers
cloud kindle
wait where did the other 2 hammers come from
open marsh
sorry, typo
cloud kindle
kek
open marsh
Plus he is in contact with Big E, they chat in The Great Work
knotty cove
9 hamMERS
open marsh
if the emperor wanted him to come fix him, he would just tell him to
knotty cove
Why is it 7, though?
mint crest
ham
cloud kindle
what they chat about
mint crest
the wife and kids
open marsh
what they chat about
Emperor basically telling Cawl that he can do what the fuck he wants and fuck anyone who tells him otherwise
mint crest
they dont talk about the tyranids tho........ we dont talk about them....... not in the imperium.......
cloud kindle
big e is prob like you are the only cogfucker thats actually doing something for the imperium
go nuts
mint crest
yup
barren tapir
Good, that is a little bit of hope for both the imperium and the mechanicus to put their head out of their asses and try to improve things instead of just going with the flow down the road
final spruce
Even when what it results in is bland primaris ?
barren tapir
Yes, because i don't care about them
mint crest
the necrons also found hope in the return of Szarekh. the orkz have Ghazghull. its all building. the eldar get nothing because they deserve nothing
barren tapir
They have their god of the dead
cloud kindle
and the nids are just eating things
mint crest
nomnomnomnom
the nids come up with a new thing every now and then so they can eat things better. but other than that they don't do much
knotty cove
the nids come up with a new thing every now and then so they can eat things bett...
just waiting for news on tiamat atm
open marsh
the necrons also found hope in the return of Szarekh. the orkz have Ghazghull. i...
You. You I like
mint crest
a wise choice
mint crest
shut up wutelgi
open marsh
Eldar need love too
"love"...very weird way to spell "an axe to the face"
mint crest
actually no because the fantasy elves have redeeming qualities
open marsh
actually no because the fantasy elves have redeeming qualities
I hate them too
storm jungle
stop being salty you two
barren tapir
"love"...very weird way to spell "an axe to the face"
Why? You didn't call your axe "love"?
storm jungle
mint crest
of all the races to believe they have a place in the galaxy, the Eldar have the weakest claim
atomic pelican
Mon'keigh rage
open marsh
We need this in 40k
storm jungle
of all the races to believe they have a place in the galaxy, the Eldar have the ...
Yeah thats because uhhh
oh i dunno
barren tapir
of all the races to believe they have a place in the galaxy, the Eldar have the ...
Like pretty much anyone else TBH
mint crest
THEY MURDERFUCKED AN ENTIRE CHAOS GOD INTO EXISTENCE
rotund siren
So, that's the Drukhari
open marsh
So, that's the Drukhari
The Drukhari didnt exist until after the fall
mint crest
all the eldar were like the drukhari before the fall though
rotund siren
Ok, but they are the result of the hedonism
cloud kindle
we still need to kink shame the shit out of commoragh with cyclonic torpedos
rotund siren
those who turned their back on it are okay-ish
open marsh
Its why Fulgrim calls one he captured during the heresy a "new breed" of eldar
storm jungle
The Drukhari didnt exist until after the fall
also remember
vect literally copyright the term "Dark Eldar"
in-lore no less
open marsh
Yup
Craftworlders were just those who could afford to sail from the disaster on their magic space yachts, and the Exodites are hippies who returned to monkey
open marsh
Like Exodites are the only semi-cool Eldar. Because:
mint crest
ok fine the exodites get a pass...
atomic pelican
Its not their fault that the writers hate them
atomic pelican
Eldar codex be like "lol we suck in our own books"
mint crest
only because massive reptiles and druids and stuff!
mint crest
the exodites have the right idea tbh. just go and chill with some dinosaurs.
open marsh
the exodites have the right idea tbh. just go and chill with some dinosaurs.
Basically
storm jungle
Eldar suck in general
You dont have to hate them just because one of them broke up with you
mint crest
OOOOO
barren tapir
OOOOOOOOO
storm jungle
ORIGINAL JOKE REEEEE
atomic pelican
Get em
open marsh
You dont have to hate them just because one of them broke up with you
Cant hear you over the screams of dying knife eared xenos
atomic pelican
Mad because corpsestarch and no luxury elf commune
mint crest
LEMME GET KITTEN ON THE VOX CHANNEL SO YOU CAN WHIME ABOUT YOUR XENOS WIVES BREAKING UP WITH YOU
open marsh
Yeah but elves dying is an overdone joke too
I just dislike elves in general. No matter the setting. They find a way to piss me off
barren tapir
And hammers... Are you sure they aren't disguised dwarfs??
mint crest
heh
mint crest
also uh. elf twinks 👀
barren tapir
No really, lumineth are just dwarfs... They like mountains, like dwarfs, they have beer, like dwarfs, they have hammers, like dwarfs
atomic pelican
Thats just the alarith
open marsh
I think its the elves always being this "oh so graceful and longer living, and just superior...yet always seem to be a dying race with their heads so far up their asses that they cant bring themselves to actually fix the problems because that would involve somehow "lowering" themselves"
cloud kindle
look im angry cause they shaved off the ambassadors beard
mint crest
gimme some really brutish elves... but still twinks
open marsh
gimme some really brutish elves... but still twinks
Exodites
barren tapir
Such disrespect cannot go unpunished
mint crest
oh right
anyway i also like necrons a lot so i am obligated to have a level of hatred towards eldar
open marsh
Me: "What makes you oh so superior, besides the usual bullshit?"
Craftworlders: "...."
Dark Eldar: "...."
Exodites: "I ride a dinosaur with a lascannon strapped to it, into battle"
Me: "Okay. Good point"
odd sparrow
Exodites are the only valid eldar.
mint crest
YES
atomic pelican
Ah lets go look at their model selection
odd sparrow
too soON
mint crest
o h w a i t
atomic pelican
Oh right
odd sparrow
the model selection is seraphon and craftworlds.
barren tapir
You mean the graveyard right?
storm jungle
🎵 AND IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYEEEES🎵
odd sparrow
get creative fuckboy
mint crest
THERE IS NONE BITCH
atomic pelican
Drukhari are the best looking eldar rn in terms of minis
open marsh
Im a lore guy, not models. So lack of models means nothing to me
atomic pelican
Mostly since craftworlds are super outdated
odd sparrow
tbh if i made exodites i could absolutely not resist making them space wood elves
i wanna use wild rider helmets
atomic pelican
Welf gamers unite
storm jungle
cloud kindle
lol
mint crest
ouch
storm jungle
[insert Hurt by Johnny Cash here]
mint crest
=c
plucky moth
gimme some really brutish elves... but still twinks
me irl
open marsh
10/10 would salvage that armour and return it to its craftworld.
half gull
worst part for me
i just want new versions of that same model, i dont even want them to try and make it a new fancy model or anything
just give me good modern plastic molds
obtuse vault
just give me good modern plastic molds
lol i can speak on this, knowing about plastic molds
i doubt that gw wants to sink 100k into a new plastic mold for models that liek 5% of the player base will buy
now, do i think they should do that anyway?
yes
i do
alas i cannot control the decision making at JAMES WORKSHAP
half gull
oh i didnt say i assume they would
i just got that hope
no way they are gonna load craftworlders up when hardly anyone plays them
especially if the rumor of 40k AoS was actually true and they were planning on having the eldar all become one faction
who knows what their plans for them are at this point
odd sparrow
for my next trick, i will categorically refuse to support this line of products for upwards of a decade and promptly use its waning popularity as reasoning to refuse to support it for even longer
remember kids, if you can't be bothered to support your existing lines you can always make new ones and pretend the kits from 1999 don't exist
obtuse vault
lmao AND lol
half gull
its a rough world
obtuse vault
time to 3d print my own!
half gull
if you are not part of the popular tribe you dont get fun new toys
odd sparrow
and yea tbh i'd honestly welcome them just biting the bullet and reworking eldar entirely
half gull
supposedly that was their plan they scrapped
odd sparrow
yee, with gathering storm and stuff
obtuse vault
i mean it would be nice to have the asuryani not have like
half gull
primaris made it in but the rest i guess are shelved
obtuse vault
the most pathetic written lore ive ever witnessed
hmm what shall we write for the craftworlds today?
how about another complete failure and the deaths of thousands with no purpose or recompense?
sounds good!
ah yes
a compelling faction indeed
half gull
thats the warhammer lore for you
obtuse vault
yet again my good chaps i do say
half gull
things gotta die, but things cant change
odd sparrow
eldar are not allowed to have victories, be likeable, have unique interesting gimmicks or get new kits
obtuse vault
CORRECT!
half gull
unique gimmicks?
obtuse vault
brilliant james, simply BRILLIANT
final spruce
eldar are not allowed to have victories, be likeable, have unique interesting gi...
They do but only in AoS
odd sparrow
i have a friend who constantly complains about eldar balancing on tabletop
like. pls leave the eldar mains alone
final spruce
Nah
odd sparrow
they're wearing all black in mourning for their faction support
final spruce
Harlequins are horrible to fight
odd sparrow
and yea elves in AoS are getting a l l the shit
oh yeah the clowns are an exception
they need attention asap
final spruce
And Eldars in 8th were aggravating to fight aswell
odd sparrow
but like, she means craftworlds
final spruce
Not in 9th anymore thankfully
odd sparrow
I loathe the clowns
atomic pelican
I'm pretty sure harlequins are still really strong, no?
o ur talking about craftworlds
half gull
oh i dont hate eldar in general, they do need love for sure
final spruce
Yeah the clowns are still scary af
odd sparrow
i honestly don't see much attractive with eldar? like, aesthetically or thematically
atomic pelican
Craftworlds had the same thing Tau did
really good in n8th
awful in 9th
RIP
I like their vehicles
If we are talking craftworlds
final spruce
Yeha that -3 to hit ? Unplayable literally
Even ANTI AIR weapons that get bonuses to hit wouldn't hit on more than a 5+
I'm talking marine anti-air
half gull
i think clowns are in a better spot than craftworlds are
final spruce
Craftworlds are currently bottom tier
half gull
but its honestly bad both ways
odd sparrow
i haven't played/looked into main 40k in a g es so i'm mostly going off hearsay
final spruce
I mean I've played my few shares I can talk abit
half gull
craftworlds just dont have a lot of good picks right now
like wave serpents
and farseers
final spruce
Most of the eldar comp I've seen relied on their heavy weapons that automatically wound you etc
half gull
i think some people are running lots of their warwalkers
odd sparrow
~oh god warwalkers~
final spruce
Yeah they spam walkers with big gun
odd sparrow
they look?? so goddamn?? not even in a good way???
half gull
any chicken models make me giggle
like the admech ones, or sentinels
they are all silly
odd sparrow
they're the pug of walkers. a sentinel is a healthy terrier and warwalkers are pugs who can barely breathe
that's their energy
half gull
LOL
final spruce
They look like smoothbrain sentinels ngl
odd sparrow
the admech ones?? at least look cool???
final spruce
Chicken !
odd sparrow
the admech walkers are cool chickens
obtuse vault
I know i walked off from this but im going to continue speaking on it
obtuse vault
craftworlds could be cool. they could be aesthetically amazing
odd sparrow
Aren't they the ones that like. we forgot how to turn them on so we just keep them on and walk them around in circles indefinitely until we need them
final spruce
I know i walked off from this but im going to continue speaking on it
About what ?
half gull
right now they just have a hard time wounding anything
final spruce
Aren't they the ones that like. *we forgot how to turn them on so we just keep t...
Spot on
obtuse vault
if only their designs werent all from the fucking early 90's and never touched since
final spruce
But its more like because they don't have anyone with the knowledge to really maintain it
odd sparrow
there's so much you can do with eldar. So much of what they're doing with the elves in AoS, with psychic powers, the poses, the unique futuristic designs
obtuse vault
they dont have to fucking be lame and pathetic and just dumpster fires of grimdark left overs
odd sparrow
all the vague magical shit
half gull
probably the unpopular opinion
odd sparrow
there's so much
obtuse vault
EXACTLY
half gull
i hope if they do new models
obtuse vault
nope
half gull
they make the wraithbone look cool
tbh i liked the freaky look DoW3 tried for wraithbone
half gull
it was very textured
obtuse vault
the only thing eldar models have going for them is the defined cheeks
on the firedragons
atomic pelican
😫
odd sparrow
oh like in the trailer?
half gull
yeah
odd sparrow
that's,, a very good idea actually
half gull
would be fun to paint
atomic pelican
Ur welcome
odd sparrow
like. actually looking like bone, rather than just a vague smooth substance
half gull
then when you have an eldar pop off a helmet
give their smooth features a real drastic difference to their gear
could really contrast it
half gull
yeee
odd sparrow
guess i'll just run AoS elves and cry into my legolas bodypillow.
obtuse vault
JFHGFJHFJF
half gull
aspect warriors are such classics, i hope they give them some love
odd sparrow
idk i never liked most of their designs personally
obtuse vault
guess i'll just run AoS elves and cry into my legolas bodypillow.
pls dont tell me u think legolas is a top
odd sparrow
like. the only things that are super attractive to me are some of the vehicles and the like farseers and stuff, with the long robes
okay hear me out
half gull
its a shame really, i know a few people that have dropped craftworlds as their main army
its a dying breed
obtuse vault
oh no
odd sparrow
legolas is, canonically, a service top
i don't see him bottoming but he's also not a dom
half gull
lore and game play being entertwined i guess
obtuse vault
this is so painful to read @atomic pelican get in here look at this
obtuse vault
what have i done
potent swift
could really contrast it
Time to kitbash an eldar army by frankentsteining Ossiarch and Lumineth together
odd sparrow
you say right as if you've had this debate before
obtuse vault
Time to kitbash an eldar army by frankentsteining Ossiarch and Lumineth together
EXCELLENT IDEA
atomic pelican
hot topic
odd sparrow
don't get be wrong i understand legolas thirsting but
half gull
i mean thats just what i would assume right off
odd sparrow
idk maybe he's vers
odd sparrow
i just don't see him not topping at all
obtuse vault
making fun of people who think hes a top
atomic pelican
this is the simple truth.
odd sparrow
then how do they reproduce??
obtuse vault
it amuses me to contemplate
atomic pelican
what do you mean
obtuse vault
then how do they reproduce??
silly child trying to understand the elven ways
its their secret
dont look too deeply into it
final spruce
Can someone explain ratty the flower and the bees ?
odd sparrow
moth i will destroy you
final spruce
final spruce
Please child just run along
obtuse vault
ah but yes. my aos elf army. i will have all four elements soon enough. finally my atla army will be complete
all i need is the master of all four elementari
final spruce
I've started to read a bit of the lore about Daughters of Khaine
I didn't know Morathi was from Fantasy
half gull
yeah
final spruce
Not touching the shitfest that was fantasy
obtuse vault
oh well good point
half gull
fantasy is about the most niche you can get
odd sparrow
hey you take that back
obtuse vault
fantasy was my intro to the series and let me tell you i am glad for that
odd sparrow
fantasy was inaccessible af but it wasn't a shitfest
final spruce
Nor Total war because that's not my style of game and I don't care for fantasy
odd sparrow
despite,,,, the dragon models
final spruce
It was for me, because of the club I was in
potent swift
Fantasy had it's ups and downs
obtuse vault
tbh i prefer fantasy head over heels im only here bc of @atomic pelican
atomic pelican
teehee
odd sparrow
as u should be
final spruce
So the genestealers managed to infiltrate the aeldari
obtuse vault
imagine if 40k had been my introduction to elves
odd sparrow
tbh i'm semi-meh about most of fantasy excepting welves
atomic pelican
It happened once
odd sparrow
i'm a slut for welves
obtuse vault
<loud wretching sounds>
odd sparrow
but beyond that idk
atomic pelican
In that uh, craftworld which I forget the name of
obtuse vault
In that uh, craftworld which I forget the name of
dont you dare bring that up
odd sparrow
I won't.
obtuse vault
thank you
half gull
i think they also had a GSC on a craftworld didnt they?
final spruce
Weird, you'd think with all the psyker thing with eldar going on those would be known quite quickly
half gull
or is that the same thing
atomic pelican
Yee
obtuse vault
that horrid piece of writing
atomic pelican
A craftworld once gave into a GSC to avoid being eaten by slaanesh or smthing like that
final spruce
Unless eldars aren't as big brained as their helmet makes you think they are
atomic pelican
Idk I just vibe with the aberrants
potent swift
Man, that had to be the longest con any GSC had to ever do
obtuse vault
oh speaking of
odd sparrow
wasn't it like. some nid getting all suped up or whatever and yeeting an entire fucking craftworld or smthn
obtuse vault
who here would be willing to RATE MY ELDAR
odd sparrow
i might've blocked the memory as a trauma response
obtuse vault
i drew one the other day
odd sparrow
!
obtuse vault
working on the lining now
odd sparrow
gib elf
potent swift
wasn't it like. some nid getting all suped up or whatever and yeeting an entire ...
That was the Doom of Malantai, mega zoanthrope ate the Infinity Circuit somehow
final spruce
la creatura
half gull
tease
atomic pelican
Please GW
half gull
ok
final spruce
Why you dissing one of the only Tyranid characters ?
half gull
serious talk
atomic pelican
gimme my book written from a GSC' perspective
atomic pelican
bloodbowl models for every xeno race
half gull
but one xenos faction has to be scrapped
atomic pelican
none for imperium
obtuse vault
join me in hobbies to see the elf
potent swift
Say what you will but the Doom is the only Tyranid character to not lose a fight to a Space Marine
final spruce
but one xenos faction has to be scrapped
Simple, fuse all eldars factions in one, that's would be like scrapping 2 factions
potent swift
Isn't that what the Ynarri are supposed to be?
atomic pelican
I would probably scrap tyrannids just because GSCs are actually interesting storywise and most nid models look poopy
as much as I like nids
"bugs from outerspace" isn't exactly novel
half gull
im gonna be honest
final spruce
Yeah but Aeldari and Drukhari and harlqeuins are stills eparated entities
final spruce
I mean tau are already not that relevant in the setting since they were deliberatly kept small
half gull
yeah
final spruce
Just give them the squat treatment
half gull
it would defs have not been as popular
atomic pelican
necron update
vast frigate
Just give them the squat treatment
Yeah just dont
cloud kindle
i agree with the squat treatment
half gull
but i liked the earlier idea of a covenant of different aliens
more than mecha's and stuff
but no way that would have sold as well
vast frigate
The idea for the tau was the eastern market appeal
half gull
hell i bet kroot wont be getting any new models anytime soon, and most folks wouldnt notice
vast frigate
together with the aesthetic
vast frigate
hell i bet kroot wont be getting any new models anytime soon, and most folks wou...
sadly true
its so goddamn bad
atomic pelican
tho I have grown to not care really, the new mech models look rlly good too
As cool as Kroot are in fluff
vast frigate
i painted up a converted model with a kroot skull instead of a kroot head
nobody saw the difference
final spruce
together with the aesthetic
You mean the market GW is banned from because the skull is banned in china ?
vast frigate
Eastern as in Japan
half gull
tau are another faction that hopefully their codex really brings them up
half gull
only works in one phase, and is not even that great at it really
potent swift
I wasn't aware 40k was at all popular in Asia
final spruce
Doesn't seem to work then
vast frigate
Theres a reason theyre tyring their best in japan with Heroes
atomic pelican
P much the litmus for "are you good" is "Do you have a 9e codex"
half gull
well to be fair
final spruce
Orks and Admech would have a word with you
atomic pelican
damn u right
half gull
i wouldnt count sisters
their codex really felt like it had 9th in mind
i got confidence it will be good once they all come out though
obtuse vault
WOAH THERE FRIENDS
half gull
but damn,
obtuse vault
no need to make two bad bitches fight
half gull
and knights
half gull
knights are just not up to just how the game is played in general
final spruce
Daemons are top tier and I don't believe they have a new codex right ?
final spruce
Especially Slaneesh
half gull
the slanesshi ones can turn one charge like any board
final spruce
Goddamn the God of Horny is crushing the competition
half gull
far as i have seen most armies can throw some good punches, but its demons, DG, marines
then you got like some orks and harlies running around doing alright for themselves
and guard
guard might actually be really good now with the change to bring it down
final spruce
Nope
half gull
they wont bleed points so badly
final spruce
Still trash, changes to bring it down don't change how bad they are doing with the powercreep
half gull
i havent seen them doing that bad compared to most other mid teir ish armies
final spruce
The issue isn't as much as guards giving too much points as the top tier factions not giving any in the first place
Well the IG before the bring it down changes was the worst horde army
half gull
you dont need to run IG as horde couldnt you run like
final spruce
So if you buff the horde armies, well all of them will get better
half gull
multi tank commanders and some bas
and just a few squads in chimeras
for board control
half gull
couldnt you just run like, battallion + patrol or something
final spruce
And since you want more slot you're likely to run 2 detachments which means 80 boys
half gull
bare bones squads are only 9 arent they?