and went into mass depression lol
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
odd sparrow
Pls no
atomic pelican
Elf based depression
odd sparrow
Don't do the cogboys like that
storm jungle
but the void dragon is basically the main culptrit for machine spirits iirc
its just never outright said
placid plank
In regards to machine spirits, I personally think that it’s a blanket term for all sorts of shit ranging from actual Warp-based machine spirits, to AI and a weird mix of both (in other words: a machine that has a soul), or just some software or hardware that’s acting fucky.
open marsh
Sometimes doesnt even have software
Oh your stubgun jammed? The machine spirit is upset!
marsh grail
To the mechanicus all machines have a spirit. So essentially there are 3 types. The first is just a normal machine that might not even have a circuit board in it. The second is essentially the ai that runs smart assistants or say the bots in video games or self driving cars. It’s all a series of if then elses. The final one is true ai. It is capable of thinking on its own. Also called abominal intelligence. But being ignorant to much in the mind of an AdMech it’s much more grey. They see all machines as intelligent and capable of deciding if it wants to work or not but the main difference is if it’s because of use trying to use it and instructing it or it acting on its own.
The lady of the lake is not an elf. They may be an elf deity but they are still a god. The enchantress may be an elf but they don’t worship her.
weak fern
FOR BRETONIA AND THE LADY
final seal
FOR BRETONIA AND THE LADY
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."
-Dennis
barren tapir
^^
restive turtle
Machine spirits tends to be different from AI in the lore.
Tho there is also the "totally not AI, is totally Machine Spirits" automatons of the Mechanicus.
weak fern
Mechanicus hate the IA Deeplearning like the Tau got
But the Machine Spirit are a IA for me
marsh grail
Don’t land raiders or at least a specific model have a full blown ai capable of firing the weapons?
weak fern
yeah but is more a Program who execute order
Not a complex IA like Deeplearning who can learn, adapt and speak
restive turtle
Some Machine spirits can have minor personalities
weak fern
Regulated i thinks
restive turtle
Like Warhound titans
marsh grail
I’d say it’s more “dude we need this tanks really badly” “but it’s got an abominable intelligence” “shut your mouth it’s just a machine spirit”
restive turtle
And the Titan and the Pilot are often affected by the personality of the Machine Spirit. When they "howl" they don't always do it themselves on purpose.
weak fern
Yeah
storm jungle
The lady of the lake is *not* an elf. They may be an elf deity but they are stil...
So
an elf
weak fern
The true IA in Imperium is some Steel Men and a Automaton who are in a Blackstone Fortress if i'm good
barren tapir
Yes, there is a man of iron in the blackstone fortress
weak fern
And some Heretek Cult of Void Dragon and Red Dragon
restive turtle
There is a Man of Iron with a name working as a bounty hunter in the Black Stone Fortress.
weak fern
Maybe some Stygie VIII ?
barren tapir
Not really, stygie VIII is more into xeno tech
weak fern
I Know than Lucius use Eldar Xeno Tech and Triplex Phall get Tau and Necron Xeno Tech
restive turtle
The Archivist and UR-025
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/2b/Armed_Zoat.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20200326174456
weak fern
And maybe some Squat and at Necromunda
weak fern
I think they really just got upset for being called simps.
Yes
Better fighting for Karl Franz
barren tapir
I Know than Lucius use Eldar Xeno Tech and Triplex Phall get Tau and Necron Xeno...
I fear you may be confusing some forge worlds, stygies VIII is the forge world that seems to use eldar tech, lucius is all about its special alloy and triplex phall seems to have hidden old tech that they didn't share with anyone
weak fern
Yera
And if Mars want to cuck Triplex they say "Cuck me and Imperium never get Terminator Armor"
XD
restive turtle
Then we have Cawl flying around with all his legal tech
weak fern
I hate Cawl
barren tapir
Triplex is interesting... It has a nice colour palette and seems to be one of the less religious forge world...
weak fern
Its like, facilited Scenario...
And my AdMech are from Triplex, i like them
They are religious but for them the Machine Spirit is in all Technology
barren tapir
There is also the triplex pattern lasgun, which strong point is modularity, or versatility
weak fern
Yeah
And we got some nice Knight and Titan
And sometime you can see a Titan with a Tau weapon XD
restive turtle
wot
barren tapir
I don't have any info on that
restive turtle
Is-totally-holy-Golden age of-technology.
barren tapir
I higly doubt that triplex phall has access to tau weaponry, they are very far from them, and the world forge where some tau equipment was sent is tigrus, which is nearer to tau than triplex phall
barren tapir
Well, that is definitely an improvement from taking the flamer for everything... Which codex if i may ask?
weak fern
Triplex Phall vs Tau and tehy grab some Tau Tech
V8
Since V9 is not lauch for Codex
Execepted Space Marine if i'm right
final spruce
SM and Necrons and some SM supplements
barren tapir
Weird... I have the 7th ed, and there the neotech war sent the tau equipment to tigrus
They must have retconnected that
barren tapir
Sure, if possible
weak fern
Sorry its in French
barren tapir
It is fine
I guess the personal name of the forge world would be the same even in french
barren tapir
Interesting... In my map tigrus isn't present
weak fern
barren tapir
Ah, no i was blind, there is, i just didn't saw it
barren tapir
What? That is also new, tigrus being a vassal of triplex phall
weak fern
x)
barren tapir
I think i got what happened... Triplex phall attacked the tau colony, but sent the stuff to tigrus, while it may seems strange we should remember that all triplex phall explorator fleets have a mars contingent that make sure that triplex phall don't hoard anything from the wider mechanicus
weak fern
Like in V8, i get some Knight but they are not the same stat in AdMech Codex and Imperial Knight Codex --'
barren tapir
Well, stats can change without problem, that is what new versions do, but changing lore is quite different
weak fern
Yeah
Like i put a Ion Cannon to my Knight, i will see with the GM for see what stat i use
That what i love in Warhammer, if the GM and some another player are right yo can do anythings
median sundial
Has there ever been a story where beyond the one Bricky told where someone took advantage of Ork Logic? I.E. Making the Orks think that the air is "Experimental Anti-Ork Air" so that they believe it and die of air poisoning.
gray trellis
Continuing about that of the "Can Tau get corrupted by Chaos". They have less warp presence there for its hard for them to do it, BUT, some men of iron managed to get corrupted by Chaos, with all the pacage, getting deformed and horns and all
so, machines got more warp presence than Tau, lol
barren tapir
TBH they can be corrupted without problem, the thing is that they are not interesting to the chaos entities... But they can, and are , influenced by them when they meet them...
weak fern
Tau can be affected by Chaos
barren tapir
They aren't harder, it is simply that chaos has not enough interest in them yet
atomic pelican
Sure bro
barren tapir
👍🏻
gray trellis
We already talked about it earlier
yea
barren tapir
I remember that there was someone that was asking where he could have read of tau falling to chaos influence and going into melee... It may have been the invasion of vior'la, where they got infulenced by the rage of khorne
vagrant osprey
Tau are harder to corrupt because they have almost no presence in the warp, so there's almost no surface for chaos to act on.
Not impossible, but it takes a LOT more effort. Like trying to turn a bolt with your bare hands.
vagrant osprey
Continuing about that of the "Can Tau get corrupted by Chaos". They have less wa...
Those were the product of an STC template that had been tampered with by Chaos techpriests.
barren tapir
I disagree on the part of since they have smaller souls, or less bright, they harder to corrupt... Machines have been corrupted easily by the chaos enitities when needed, and machines have no souls too... Although it may be more precise say that those were possessed... IMO the brightness of the soul define just how much attention you got from chaos, not how much resistant you are to it
But it is still a mess of a subject, so it may be right
storm jungle
It also has to do more with how GW doesnt delve much into these plot points.
They explore an interesting concept and usually never touch it again; in this case its Tau/Chaos Corruption.
Its usually because of there being so less crumbs that people in the community can tend to overexaggerate the given fluff and create misinformation
Its a bit like the tau mindcontrol thing among other things
verbal nest
Can someone explain the meme of Roboute being into Eldar poon
atomic pelican
Thiccdar
verbal nest
They talked?
verbal nest
storm jungle
||yeeees||
But yeah, they interacted at least 2 times in lore. People as I also brought up above just overblowed it a lot.
barren tapir
They met after to do some coordinated missions too
final spruce
barren tapir
Something abut the hand of darkness and another thing related to the blackstone fortresses IIRC
vagrant osprey
Yvraine has also been traveling with RG
Like, they've spoken at least twice, but they've been traveling together and RG's life support ages relied on her for awhile.
gray trellis
lol
vagrant osprey
TBH, RG formally courting Yvraine would ultimately be good for the Imperium.
open marsh
Yvraine
She cured several Rubric Marines of the Rubric, then threw them into the void to spite Ahriman
:c
crisp heath
Anything shorter than an eldar wouldn't suffice for a primarch
For anatomical reasons
open marsh
Why are we talking horny in lore again?
weak fern
I don't know
final spruce
Because people are horny
weak fern
I'm a frustrated woman who i private myself
final spruce
I mean you're definitly not making it private rn
crisp heath
final spruce
In dah lore chat at that
cerulean wagon
do they do anything other than horny post?
final spruce
No
weak fern
weak fern
royal dagger
holyt
cerulean wagon
take it to #735951004989784104 atleast
weak fern
Yeah
cerulean wagon
so people cant continue their shit
@storm jungle
storm jungle
Dont whack me you little shit
storm jungle
royal dagger
final spruce
Enjoy it but atleast in off topic
plucky moth
ok yeah take it to offtopic
weak fern
Yeah
rotund siren
ok yeah take it to offtopic
'twas
crisp heath
That's a lot of juice
Perhaps faith
See, heresy find it's way
Only needed a little push
The snowball grows as it rolls down the mountain
Can you feel it closing in on you? Oh I sure can
cloud kindle
Beep beep im a snowplow
final seal
blessed machine spirit
marsh grail
So what is the ideal power of a psycher? Is it just good to be powerful or does that get you made into a beacon or Gellar field?
So do you want to be just powerful enough to be useful but not sacrificed? What about librarians? Do they just make a psycher a space marine hoping they survive and become a librarian or do they just happen to discover they are a psycher?
distant harness
Most extremely powerful psykers are completely insane, so no it's not just good to be powerful
Pretty much all of them are just kill on sight because they're so disconnected from normal reality, or tend to explode into daemons
You probably don't have a great life as any grade of usable psyker, but this explains it decently enough
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment
crisp heath
You need power and control
Ie ravenor
The ideal imperial psyker is one that has as much power as viable while retaining full mental abilities and total control over their skills, not more
distant harness
Ravenor wasn't that high up power wise I don't think, without his fancy gear?
odd sparrow
yea I believe the usual vibe with like, crazy powerful psykers is they're just uncontrollable liabilities to any imperial authority trying to utilise them. Power doesn't matter so much as that they're able to not explode
if they're able to have enough self discipline to not get it's for your own good'd then they're kinda invariably a valuable asset
weak fern
Maybe rhe more Psyker safe is are those who pray the Emperor and follow the Imperial Creed
crisp heath
crazy powerful psykers are fucking nuts and are a threat to the imperium
the most power a psyker can have that's controllable is beta
odd sparrow
we stan crazed psychic nukes
crisp heath
hell naw
i don't want to see the person fighting next to me explode violently or turn into a spawn
odd sparrow
s o u n d s h u n g r y
distant harness
Some alpha psykers can control it i think, they just tend to control it to light cities on fire or wander around murdering countries and shit
celest dome
i don't want to see the person fighting next to me explode violently or turn int...
Wizards in Fantasy are just as likely to explode/mutate as Psyker in 40k
crisp heath
magic is dangerous at best, and heretical at worst. cease and pick up a proper lasgun
median sundial
Wizards in Fantasy don’t exactly turn into masses of tentacles or explode into daemons, more so they just sorta get consumed by a destructive ball of their own magic. Assuming the wizard in question isn’t Chaos affiliated.
If I recall correctly, or iirc as the cool kids say.
cunning lantern
Well... there is a small change to get into tentacles
celest dome
Magic can mutate the caster if you call on it to much, there was even a table that you had to roll on and it could give some mutation [there was 2 or 3 table but to acces the higher table you had to roll a certain number on the previous table]
I'll try to find it again
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Mutation
celest dome
There was one mutation that make you develop appendage on your body [eyes, ear, mouth...]
cunning lantern
In fantasy rpg there is a d1000 table for mutations 😄
cerulean wagon
^
magic has 3 negitives
overcasting
curse of tzeentch
and the magic itself marking you
cunning lantern
And one of them is "turn into Chaos Spawn"
cerulean wagon
which is why human mages can only use 1 wind of magic at a time
cunning lantern
And one is "If this happens then you turn into Chaos Spawn"
cerulean wagon
the chaos spawn one is the best
"roll 6 extra mutations. additional rolls of chaos spawn stack"
cunning lantern
Although if you turn into CS, your character is NPC
cerulean wagon
yes
which i find funny because the other great one uhh
"your skeleton escapes your body and you are left a wreathing bag of flesh and nerves"
that is still a playable character
but you have 1 movement and contortionist
and when i say escapes your skeleton is basically powered by necromantic energy and becomes its own entity and just leaves
cerulean wagon
theres also "blood to ---"
"roll on this other table to see what your blood becomes
how about bleeding mice or butterflies?
the warhammer rpgs are just
👌
celest dome
There are also some that are beneficial, like "Aura of Normality which make you look normal to un initiated people
distant harness
*man fantasy wiki was wack*
GW products have so many wikis and only one is unwack. Even the game wikis are wack, though the VT one was okay for a bit I think
storm jungle
Yeah I think lexi is like the only one i trust
4chan too just a bit, i get that people say its unreliable but i appreciate the fact that it tells non-bullshit book fluff in the mix
odd sparrow
1d4chan is fun to read but if you do want GW fluff then yeah just go for lexicanum
it's the boring wikipedia variation
but it has good citations
storm jungle
Yeah its short and to the point
40k wiki just DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGS OOOOOOOOOOON
the slider-bar for the pages alone is more intimidating than most other things ive seen in my life
distant harness
40k wiki is just like the worst parts of lexicanum and 1d4chan combined
big dry walls of text, shit ripped directly from books, and still sections that are just fanfic
crisp heath
4chan is good for understanding the nature of the stuff
but if you want facts then yes lexicanum
i only go to the wiki if i need more info than lexicanum has
atomic pelican
Lexicanum cites most things
visual pumice
atomic pelican
AA
eternal ledge
Good god Emperor how horrifying
final seal
the short-short version
angry baboon
crisp heath
vagrant osprey
In a conversation about Drach'nyen somebody got SUPER pissed when I said daemons work on storytelling rules instead of physical ones.
weak fern
Pray the Emperor God
crude fern
cloud kindle
(Obligatory french tank joke goes here)
dense glen
Just dont let a yorkshire man in a green uniform near them
final seal
army of pain
finite roost
(really good joke coming up) Do you always surrender while playing this army?
finite roost
😎
dim totem
Hon hon hon they look très bien oui
I just noticed the little barricade (or le barricade as the French would say) is sprues, that's cool
storm jungle
🥖
vernal belfry
I just noticed the little barricade (or le barricade as the French would say) is...
La barricade *
It's a feminine word
Hon hon hon
dim totem
Sacre bleu
odd sparrow
gendering words™️
storm jungle
I hate french because of that
Im sure it has cultural reasons or whatever but im sorry, its stupid
odd sparrow
a few languages do it, by my understanding. It's weird
i understand that hebrew is really bad for that stuff. If you prefer gender neutral stuff then ✨ too fucking bad ✨ cus every other sentence is gendered in some way
send help
finite roost
Slavic languages do it too, so does german
not all, in polish we don't do that
crisp heath
Well, in my language they're feminine
finite roost
that is why it should have no gender
odd sparrow
heavily gendered languages are cursed.
finite roost
good question
crisp heath
Who knows?
storm jungle
Im gonna google it brb
crisp heath
No one has a clue
storm jungle
Basically, gender in languages is just one way of breaking up nouns into classes. In fact, according to some linguists, “grammatical gender” and “noun class” are the same thing. It's an inheritance from our distant past. Researchers believe that Proto-Indo-European had two genders: animate and inanimate.
finite roost
kinda makes sense
but not too much
i mean, maybe it is easier
in polish we don't have gendered words but our language is not exactly easy
i mean, it is realy hard
even for us
crisp heath
Wait till i tell you we have masculine animate and masculine inanimate and animals can be either depending on the speaker's relationship with them
finite roost
if i would to tell you what we have
i would have to spend a few days
and i would still have a lot more to go
but since i value my time
i won't do that
vernal belfry
I hate french because of that
That's not very nice of you 😦
vernal belfry
I know, just kiding ;p
mint palm
French grammar is a pain in the ass, i love watching english speaking people truing to figure out french prononciation or better: our numbers
vernal belfry
City names are the worst to be fair
crisp heath
still better than hungarian tho
vernal belfry
I believe so too
mint palm
Never heard of hungarian so can’t speak of it !
crisp heath
learning mandarin pronunciation was easier than trying to read hungarian town names lol
mint palm
But i love explaining that in french, 97 in prononced is the translation of: four twenty ten seven
Show us some !
weak fern
'-'
rotund siren
Never heard of hungarian so can’t speak of it !
Do you mean that you've never heard of Hungary? Or just have never physically heard the Hungarian language?
mint palm
Never heard the hungarian language !
crisp heath
i can't lol
mint palm
Wow, one town has « zerg » in it xD
rotund siren
Both of them have things that are pronounced SO DIFFERENTLY than they are spelled
and yeah, that's kinda rough, but the font makes it even harder to tell
odd sparrow
welsh is a really pretty language tbh
crisp heath
to be fair english spelling and pronunciation is a clusterfuck too
rotund siren
cwlly
mint palm
https://youtu.be/a69toGGjoO0 For French, this video sums up some hilarious things
vernal belfry
here you have a map
Now I know how fatshark find the names for Vermintide bosses
dim totem
Isn't Skavenblight located in warhammer's equivalent of France?
Near the border with Italy (Tilea)
mint palm
Isn’t Bretonnia supposed to be the equivalent of France ?
dim totem
Oui
odd sparrow
ye. take 12th century france, ramp up the chivalry and oppression of the peasantry up to caricature levels and then kinda just inject arthurian legend
there u go u have bretonnia
odd sparrow
Skavenblight is south of Bretonnia, not in it
kinda wedged inbetween not spain and not italy/greece. Though notably the TW map is crazy distorted
mint palm
I don’t know where the borders of Bretonnia stop, that’s why i was asking ! I didn’t think they stopped as far as Tilea
weak fern
Not Tilea
Estalia
Stopped by Athel Loren, Empire and Estalia
And for me Bretonia is a "Safe" Zone
dim totem
Safe?
weak fern
"""Safe"""
dim totem
SAFE?!
odd sparrow
it probs depends on the map but usually bretonnia is depicted as bordering tilea, estalia and the ratbois to their south
weak fern
More than Reikwald :x
odd sparrow
also might border the grey mountains dorfs to the east ish
thin horizon
So question, what abhumans fit what role best? My current take is :
Squats = Sappers/Armored/Artillery
Felinids = line infantry (they are just cat people, nothing special)
Verdants = Snipers (literally The End from MGS3)
Ogryn = obviously shock troops
Beastmen = conscripts or shotgun troops (bloodlust and bad discipline)
Nightsiders = Scions (black helicopters and night raids)
Ratlings = Snipers
Longshanks = Pilots
I think that's all the cool/relevant ones anyhow.
storm jungle
Im pretty sure these are what they'd be like in-lore to begin with!
final spruce
They are supposed to be extinct yes
final spruce
But there have been a few Squat minis that were released for Necromunda
final spruce
Dunno, GW hasn't said anything about them yet
odd sparrow
Squats got written out of 40k initially with the excuse that they were eaten by nids
but people like dorfs so they've been brought back. I don't think they've like, fully addressed the state of the squat race
finite roost
so they are dead but they are not dead
rotund siren
they're "dead"
odd sparrow
They're around in some capacity
i just interpret it as like, them existing as intermittent nomadic mercenaries and workers and stuff but not really being such a political power
rotund siren
that's what it seems like
final seal
too busy finding boolo cap
finite roost
with all the information here i think i got it. The squat "empire" got destyoed by nids but it is not the only place where they lived so they are alive in some capacity
odd sparrow
yea that's what makes the most sense to me. But it's whatever GW says
storm jungle
but not all?
Nah you got it right
GW didnt outright say it but they are pretty much nomads now with their core worlds being nom'd by nids
finite roost
with all the information here i think i got it. The squat "empire" got destyoed ...
i think i figured that out in this senstence
storm jungle
Yeah exactly
thin horizon
Anyways, there was a squat teaser in PA
a mechanicum ship got caught by a ship with fuckin gravity tech
And the transmission cuts off in the picture but it BLATANTLY said "that ship belongs to Squats"
But yes so my thoughts on abhuman roles arent terribly off
Good
prisma lark
let's just say that the Squats being "eaten" by the nids" was just typical GW tong-in-cheek from the time, and/or just what the imperium believed happen
final spruce
I mean we all know how the bad the End Times was
celest dome
So question, what abhumans fit what role best? My current take is :
Squats = Sa...
Squats were in separate regiment which didn't need Techpriest since they can be better at their job
Verdant aren't used on the front/IG because they can't live outside of their home world (Also Verdant is the name of their world and their real name is Troths)
Nightsiders are mentioned to being used in the Imperial Navy on boarding action
The only Abhuman that are relegated to special role (Mixed in the IG) are the Ratling (Scout/Sniper) and Ogryn (Heavy Weapon/Shock)
thin horizon
Well, the troth got rebreathers (I've decided this, just cause) and the squats homeworld got eaten (that's actual canon too), so I'm gonna use em cause they are cool
potent swift
All that talk about Taurox designs in memes reminded me of another 40K fanartist I like
barren tapir
Those are some really nice art pieces... Still gothic and with useless stuuf (like the radiator as little gothic arch, or the two big eagle) but at least reasonable
final spruce
I beleive we already have something very simlar to the bombard but its Forge World
thick shadow
AND A ROOM FOR SUSPENSION SYSYEM
final spruce
The rest however
weak fern
'-'
vast frigate
as usual, a different group understands Geedubs aesthetic better than geedubs does
prisma lark
I beleive we already have something very simlar to the bombard but its Forge Wor...
yeah the bombard is an actual forgeworld vehicle
final spruce
Because some people have done design studies etc
prisma lark
absolute unit of a gun
thick shadow
Because some people have done design studies etc
And the designers in GW didn't...?
CONCERN
vast frigate
well
they constantly switch the people who design around
its why marines suddenly have such a different look
thick shadow
and they looks... not like what Warhammer should've. Well, at least for me it does.
barren tapir
Also geedubs may feel that changing the models may irritate the fans, which is quite wrong, but what would you expect?
thick shadow
atomic pelican
GW slowly forgetting that auxillaries exist to begin with
Other than to kill them in fluff
rose sand
barren tapir
Who know, maybe they are setting the stage for their "surprise" return
atomic pelican
Goodbye gorgeous dino.. we loved you so
If they brought back the greater gnarloc I'd buy 5 of them
Tho to me it seems like GW wants to focus on battlesuits more
Which Im also okay with tbh
Battlesuits are big, flashy, and sell
potent swift
Battlesuits are pretty awesome but ever since GW put that collage of weird ass aliens together it's really made me want to see the other Xenos out there be explored
atomic pelican
Same
Tau could totally fill that covenant niche more
Bonus points if battlesuited auxillaries
barren tapir
The problem with that would be that Tau will not have any weakness, like, they develop kroot? Then you have tau with amazing ranged firepower and great melee too, i think it would be hard to balance so they will skip on developing aux for now
atomic pelican
I mean the tau are meant to be THE shoot army but they are outclassed in that
barren tapir
By who?
final spruce
Not really since more points in melee means less point in shooting so less firepower
final spruce
Just give the Taus a few melee options like how the guards have the Bullgryns
barren tapir
Not really since more points in melee means less point in shooting so less firep...
I know, that is what i think would be good, but AFAIK the tau are made for ranged focus, and it is made with mostly a tau army in mind, if you put other things that aren't ranged then it mess up the balance with stratagems and similar... Just my take on why they don't want to develop aux though
final spruce
That's why what you do in this case is just give them a few units just to give them the options
Melee crisis suits would help in that way
So on the 40 units choice, have like 3 be decent melee
And its enough
They don't need to turn into a melee army, just give them a few guys to actually protect and contest objectives
That's why I took the case of Bullgryns
They are big meaty boys with no shooting but add an astropath to give them some added protection and boom
Its 1 unit
But its enough for IG to actually contest objectives again boys like Assault intercessors, some daemons etc
atomic pelican
Yee they dont need the BEST melee or ALL melee just a option
And a auxillary psyker added on top?
Bam, tau can now participate in every phase
potent swift
Don't the Tau have giant polar bear psykers in the lore now?
atomic pelican
Yep
Theyve had em too
I mean nearly every auxillary has psykers
Including Kroot(Shamans)
Or the Nagi would also make good choices
Or just gue'vesa psykers
barren tapir
Gue'vesa psykers can be a reality because of the PA, but we all know what happen with psykers that you don't know how to train
So maybe it would be better for them to not have those
atomic pelican
I'd love Nagi miniatures tbh. Their depiction in lore is a lil mixed tho
thick shadow
The artist by the way https://www.deviantart.com/lordcarmi
final spruce
Don't the Tau have giant polar bear psykers in the lore now?
Wait what ?
storm jungle
Don't the Tau have giant polar bear psykers in the lore now?
LOL WHAT
Honestly i believe it
barren tapir
The nicassar IIRC, in old lore they were a psychic race that helped the tau with warp travel, or something like that
atomic pelican
Yeee
rotund siren
I remember them
weak fern
XD
final spruce
In awe before the size of this lad
rotund siren
Magical
storm jungle
Imagine being an imperial
and you see this shit rollin' in on your turf
bath-toy class cruisers ftw
barren tapir
If they somehow help the imperials then they will build a church for them, like with trazyn
cloud kindle
Ooo that would be cool to see the tau go through the shitstorm of having a whole bunch of untrained psykers pop up
barren tapir
Indeed it would be
final spruce
Ooo that would be cool to see the tau go through the shitstorm of having a whole...
They already have
Its was caused the daemon incursion in Tau territory
When the Cicatrix opened
barren tapir
Although i can also see the ethereals acting as a psyker crazyness limiter... After all we know that they have a calming effect on taus under the influence of khorne
final spruce
Most of the psykers that were allied to the Taus or civilians just went AAAAAAAAAAAAA and popped daemons
barren tapir
More info more info
final spruce
Taus don't have psykers because they have a very faint link with the warp
cloud kindle
Yeah i know shadowsuns auxilary ships got fucked instantly
barren tapir
I heard of the tau of the 4th sphere, but i never heard of demons spawning from tau aux
cloud kindle
Since i dont think gellar fields are a thing in the tau
final spruce
Well same case in their territory
atomic pelican
Yeee they are, re-engineered imperial tech
They just failed in 4th sphere
Didnt affect the tau
Did affect the auxillaries
barren tapir
They should, IIRC they just copied the imperial warp engine, which contain the gellar field generator too
cloud kindle
Cause tau souls are like frail embers
atomic pelican
Yee before that they used uhh
Fuckinnn
I forgot the name
But it was slow af
And it was a non-warp ftl engine
Of some sort
cloud kindle
Heresy generators
atomic pelican
Gravitic hooks maybe(?)
barren tapir
It was a similar warp engine, but unlike the true warp engine they just skimmed on the warp, they didn't go trough it
atomic pelican
Yee
cloud kindle
And necrons just say fuck time abd space with their ships i believe
barren tapir
And it was limited to short jump IIRC
final spruce
They just catapulted themselves something like that
barren tapir
I have a lot of old tau lore resurfacing in my mind now...
atomic pelican
Yeah actually, how do necrons travel far?
final spruce
Portals
atomic pelican
Damn
barren tapir
There are quite few ways necrons do
One was about warping time and space, another with portals that let them use the webway for short period of time
cloud kindle
I like the bending time and space one better
Like pfft who gives a crap about reality
final spruce
Those portals are called Dolmens
barren tapir
And that remind me of when some necrons sent nids back in time, like a lot back in time
cloud kindle
YEET
barren tapir
Oh oh, and there connected to necron tech there was a renegade techpriest that had a tool to suck stars IIRC
storm jungle
Yeah its Dolmen Gates
iirc irl its gaelic myth stuff regarding underground tomb portals
cloud kindle
Your welcome
final spruce
thick shadow
Are those... edible?
storm jungle
Oh yeah, dolma is a food FYI
final spruce
Dolma is a family of stuffed dishes found in the Balkans, South Caucasus, Central Asia and the Middle East, in which a vegetable or leaf is used as a container or wrapping for another food used as a filling. Common vegetables for stuffing are tomato, pepper, onion, zucchini, eggplant and pointed gourd.
So a spring roll from another country
storm jungle
god its a start lol
barren tapir
Well, that was already done, the scythe necron ships, but it was a croissant
primal tide
Yep
cloud kindle
All necron ships are croissants
potent swift
Does that make the Ghost Ark a taco?
thick shadow
A burnt brick like croissants
thick shadow
Does that make the Ghost Ark a taco?
A burnt brick ribcage
cloud kindle
Is that the world engine
storm jungle
Ye
thick shadow
Pizza?
barren tapir
Ferrero roche?
This
thick shadow
I never even heard about that
cloud kindle
Heard abput what
ashen zenith
would the amount of dna from the emperor in a primarch be the same amount of dna from a primarch in a normal space marine?
or genetic material
crisp heath
What food could we say it is
mozartkugeln
vagrant osprey
would the amount of dna from the emperor in a primarch be the same amount of dna...
No. The Primarchs are biologically closest to actually being the Emperor's sons.
The Astartes don't actually receive any DNA from their primarch, per se. The geneseed was originally altered based on the primarchs (Maybe; the lore contradicts itself a lot here), but the Astartes only receive ordinary genetic uplifts.
atomic pelican
Presumably depends on the actions of your Only War game!
Since they're made for a Only War section
Yeee
Don't think so
crisp heath
practically, yes. they´re augmented, not genetically enhanced
if you were to clone an astartes from his original tissues you would get a totes regular human
weak fern
Its the old Solar Auxilia
plucky moth
need that armour tbh
final seal
further reading, these guys are from 30k so probably disbanded in 40k but possibly some of their gears maybe still used or scattered around through the millenia.
marsh grail
It looks superior to guardsmen armor why isn’t it still used?
final seal
also forgeworld stuff
distant harness
shit expensive
plucky moth
yeah basically all comes down to logistics
if the imperium could actually provide all their IG with power armour and not be budget crunched by doing so (whilst also accounting for potential regiment losses), they probs would
final seal
the rate of worlds occupied and ravaged in short time, would be difficult to open such facilities to make them have to stick something that is fast and cheap
but i do want that armor too
plucky moth
yee
storm jungle
Man the Solar Auxilia are great
basically a badass mash of 60's spacemen from action movie box arts with lasers lol
odd sparrow
they're SO raypunk and i love it
distant harness
how many xpunks are there
storm jungle
how many xpunks are there
Yes
distant harness
final seal
https://45.media.tumblr.com/e024b0eac9548ecb593b5cf0be8b5f42/tumblr_nwh4ul1HZ91s...
haha yea, also reminds me of deadspace suits
vast frigate
i love solar auxilia because they work perfectly as diving suits
which is how im using them
barren tapir
if the imperium could actually provide all their IG with power armour and not be...
This is just a grimderp loop, as they imperium has the strength to produce sororitas armours, and if you start producing them and issuing to the regiments then you will have a more effective force to capture and easily defend worlds, which would give the imperium more production strength...
There is also the fact that the imperium like to have the guards with not so great equipment because if they turn traitor they are easier to defeat, but this is also a grimderp thing, as the same can be said for pretty much any fighting force (SM, sororitas, IG) but this doesn't stop them from giving SM amazing gear... It is just a convoluted way that the imperium work, it was built on wrong bases from the starts, but if it was made in a reasonable way there wouldn't be many problems that make it grimdark, and sadle even grimderp too many times
odd sparrow
i mean, power armour is a piece of expensive equipment designed to give the user enhanced resilience and strength right? it makes sense that not every military formation would have them as widespread
SM and bolter bitches are both elite and not super numerous military organisations, they're not really comparable to the IG. There are many grimderp things in 40k but this isn't one of them
so yea what rocky said
weak fern
w<
barren tapir
Well, yes, i did go with the more beautiful way, as an united imperium, but you are right to point that the imperium isn't a cohesive entity too
SM and sororitas too rely on tithes, they aren't called that, but it is what they are... SM have a world, or if they are fleet based they may have different worlds from which they get new recruits, sororitas has the schola progenium that send them all females that show an extremely zealous behaviour... The SM are the more independent one, as they can produce their own armour and stuff, the sororitas instead are more similar to the IG, as they get issued their gear by the imperium, or to be more exact, the ecclesiarchy... Which manage to do so because it take many resources from the greater imperium for themself...
That was indeed an over exaggeration by me... If we are to go more in detail it would be a bit different, with some world fully capable to outfit their regiments with top tech, and maybe even have their own navy that would defend their solar system, not only their planet...
While other planets had to be given everything by the munitorum, and the world give just the manpower
distant harness
it's also just a matter of how you use them I guess
if the average guardsmen won't be that much more efficient for the cost in better gear, why give them it?
final seal
it all boils down to bureaucracy and the massive amount of worlds, unpredictable warp travels and unexpected events that go between it, logistics is already a nightmare at that rate
distant harness
Marines and sororitas tend to basically exclusively do super important shit
Plus they're trained a heap more and are way harder to replace than a guardsman, so you're not outfitting them in gear worth more than they are
barren tapir
Marines and sororitas tend to basically exclusively do super important shit
I would disagree with the sororitas, they are used by the ministrorum to protect their territory, and to crush whoever don't agree with them... SM are indeed used for important stuff, that is what they are made for...
barren tapir
Plus they're trained a heap more and are way harder to replace than a guardsman,...
This depend from world to world, in general the guards are more extensively trained than sororitas on a wider tactics and strategies... Like a catachan is more trained that a sister for jungle warfare, and in general survival... But catachans are extraordinary, so let's take one of the less know one, indigan praefects, they are more trained than a sister against nids, or other beats in general, the strength of the guard is its diversity, the strength of the sororitas is its faith and superior gear...
Those were personal opinions BTW
barren tapir
10 years!! That is really fast thanks!
final seal
lets hope it didnt get intercepted or lost
oh oops network chain disrupted by heretics
go back in line for the request
distant harness
This depend from world to world, in general the guards are more extensively trai...
there's not really any lore supporting that guard are trained better than sororitas at all. yeah if you take 5 trillion dudes you'll have more broad experience, but on average sororitas are much more elite than basically any guard.
also defending shrine worlds or working with inquisitors is super important shit by imperial standards
being one of 50 million dudes getting thrown at orks is not
storm jungle
That hierarchy is way too generous
heres the lore accurate one i made with one of my friends:
TINY TEXT GALORE
final spruce
I think its mostly because most sisters actually go throught the Schola Progena as children so they are more prepared and trained for a military training, meanwhile , unless you came from Cadia or a war-like country, you'd begin your training as a young adult or a teen
barren tapir
there's not really any lore supporting that guard are trained better than sorori...
I might have expressed myself badly, it is not that the SoB are badly trained, they have an amazing training, but isn't as varied as the one that the guard may have, simply because the guard has a veru different role than SoB, which require a more varied training... Also the guard defend ecclersiarchy worlds too, and the same is true regarding the inquisition... The exception is the ordo hereticus, which indeed prefer the SoB over pretty much anything else
storm jungle
Yeah SoB fill one combat role
Guard are obviously more varied to any sort of warfare based on the regiment
distant harness
I guess, but I feel like that's just a given
It's a given in real life military too, when you're comparing a group that's literally millions of times larger
final spruce
Guardsmen usually get a broader training, and if the sister doesn't occupate a combat role like the Hospitaleer, well its a different training
vernal belfry
@storm jungle Shouldn't the rogue trader be apart from it entirely ?
distant harness
Guardsmen usually just get a worse training, they don't get educated about war anywhere near as much as any elite group does
storm jungle
<@!166943308231344128> Shouldn't the rogue trader be apart from it entirely ?
Considering they're tied to that hierarchy not really
barren tapir
And in the guard there are for sure people that are trained to the same extent to the SoB, but aren't the standard of the guard
distant harness
As a whole they know more about different types, but your average guard wouldn't know anywhere near as much as an average sister does
storm jungle
They still answer to imperial law technically speaking even with their privateering bill
distant harness
Ya only groups that should be separate from the hierarchy are inquisitors and custodes
final spruce
Either way, the Guards have the expertly trained Tempestus scions
vernal belfry
Which is the point anyway considering this is representing an overcomplicated bloated bureaucracy
distant harness
Both of those answer to the emperor
final spruce
Who needs sisters when you got tiny space marines
storm jungle
Which is the point anyway considering this is representing an overcomplicated bl...
Bro dont make me post the techpriest hierarchy
distant harness
Scions are definitely closer to sisters yeah, I dunno who's the better soldier there
storm jungle
the most brain-damage i got making something with my buddy i think
distant harness
I think sisters are better on tabletop but that doesn't really mean much
barren tapir
If we have to take an IG related really equivalent, for size and training standard, then there are the tempestus scions, which we can safely say that are on par with the SoB, but more probably better trained
vernal belfry
Bro dont make me post the techpriest hierarchy
distant harness
and I could be wrong
final spruce
Scions are definitely closer to sisters yeah, I dunno who's the better soldier t...
Scions get better training and in more disciplines
final spruce
Since there is no prayers etc
distant harness
That's terribly vague lol
distant harness
I don't think we have any descriptions of how scions train
storm jungle
We do
its really vague tho
its simply:
broken down
brainwashed mildly
and thats it
final spruce
We know what they specialize in but not their training
distant harness
Ya, not in the same way we do with sisters I mean
final spruce
Some people have made good quality fanfiction about the Schola buts that's all
barren tapir
I don't think we have any descriptions of how scions train
We do
distant harness
Where from?
barren tapir
Mostly the old militarum tempestus codex of the 6th ed
distant harness
Do you recall what it said?
barren tapir
Not really, i wasn't too much into them at the time... They were just the glory boys stealing the glory from the veterans for me at the time
storm jungle
iirc it was really into the mindwashing business
barren tapir
What i remember was that the progena that were sent to the SoB weren't necessarily those that showed great martial prowess, but those more zealous
storm jungle
but the later codices fixed that and made it less grimdark
distant harness
Doesn't seem to have much detail at all
Just says a bunch of what happens at the schola
which all go through
barren tapir
IIRC the test for becoming a commissar was to find your target and execute it... And the target could have been everyone, your friend from the beginning of the training, a simple adept that hadn't done anything
distant harness
once it gets to them being in the scions it just moves on
final spruce
Like the Tempestus ones are usually picked from the most disciplined and the best at martial abilities but that don't show great leadership promises or alck the intellect for strategy
The more intelligent ones get Tempestor training or become commissars
barren tapir
once it gets to them being in the scions it just moves on
That is because each regiment of the scions has different training speciality, like the orders of the SoB do
distant harness
and no that book says it's fine military skills and strong faith that pushes people towards sororitas recruitment
final seal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/568118870913581080/770452672281051156/h...
mei eyes
final spruce
Like Lambdan Lions learn how to speak some Techni-lengua and how to repair guns
distant harness
It does say the most talented after for tempestus, but that's 100% just codex speak, can almost guarantee the sob codex says the same but for the convents
they all have shit like that
barren tapir
True, but that is what we have for now... Now that i think of, maybe the 8th edition astra militarum may expand on scions, as they are included in that
And if we disregard what that codex say, then we must disregard what the SoB say too, and we are at the starting point again, but now without anything to discuss on
distant harness
Don't have to disregard what codexes say, just lines like that, because they all have lines like that
the SoB one says they're almost as fearless as space marines, but it's not backed up anywhere else
knotty cove
i mean yeah
distant harness
pretty much all their stories have them showing fear, they're just generally insane enough to get over it
knotty cove
all the information in codices is generally something you should treat as that faction's propaganda
barren tapir
Fanatic i would say, but insane is fine too i guess
knotty cove
insanely fanatic
distant harness
ya exactly, like there's some hard facts but the parts about how they're the coolest X ever I tend to just ignore, with a few exceptions
barren tapir
insanely fanatic
I consider all fanatics as insane, but a bit more over the top than normal insane people
knotty cove
they are in fact not the most badass motherfuckers in the galaxy
distant harness
harlequins or custodes or some deldar units I think codexes tend to be propaganda but also true, with some units at least
knotty cove
some of the codices are truthful, yeah
dont get me wrong, its not all bullshitting
the guard codex isnt gonna come out and say "lol cadia didnt break bro wdym"
distant harness
I mean it may, you enver know with GW
final spruce
I actually tried to read the wiki for the Schola Progenium
They have some good info
distant harness
but yeah anything that's just talking about shit that happened or stuff they wear I trust, when it's stuff they can do I tend to just think it's bs until proven otherwise lol
final spruce
If it is to be trusted
distant harness
fan wiki 
barren tapir
like, the guard
presented as the most badass motherfuckers in the galaxy
Ehy! Stop disrespecting the guard! They face pretty much all the things that other factions face, but without their superior armour and weapons... And they get the job done more times that they are given credit for
knotty cove
Ehy! Stop disrespecting the guard! They face pretty much all the things that oth...
mate, i fucking love the guard
thats just how i tend to see it
distant harness
Lexicanum at least seems to say they tend to just get split up by gender, which I'm pretty inclined to believe lol
knotty cove
the guard gets the living shit kicked out of them, but there's more guardsmen to kick than you have boots
distant harness
If you've got one faction that can only take badass women fighters and one that doesn't care, you'd 100% give the restrictive group first pick of women candidates
plus cites 9th ed rulebook for that
final spruce
They do but you do have female scions
barren tapir
IIRC the schola ahven't even a standard training programs, they have some changes from each others, but that was probably retconnected
knotty cove
the schola is fucking big
theres no standard training program
there pretty much can't be
distant harness
Yeah that's what I mean, sob only take women while scions can take both, so you'd 100% give sob first pick of women, and they'd probably take most of the relevant applicants
knotty cove
iirc you're drawing your assassins, your commissars, your scions, your sisters of battle, etc etc from it
distant harness
Because scions can just take all the dudes that don't get pulled into other roles
Yeah basically all the super elite non-transhuman groups pull from scholas
barren tapir
It is not the orders of the SoB that chose the progena, it is the schola that sent them who they believe can be good for them
knotty cove
and the schola's sending the best and the brightest to the SoB
barren tapir
And the lex page of the order of the ebon hearth seems to imply that they reject quite a few of the recruits
knotty cove
naturally, yeah
distant harness
ebon chalice?
barren tapir
The order of alicia dominica, i probably messed up the name
final spruce
I mean, that's why the scion training program has a high death rate
All the ones that weren't "worthy" die
barren tapir
ebon chalice?
Yes, that, i just messed up the name
distant harness
Ya they've got some issues lmao
also trying to see the thing in the 9th ed rulebook about scholas, but there is a very cool description of custodes in it
barren tapir
What?! Custodes in a SoB codex?
distant harness
Just cool to see more about how they're way beyond what normal people can do even just in basic sensory shit
no in rulebook
barren tapir
General rulebook?
final spruce
Most likely
distant harness
ye
final spruce
He didn't say codex
distant harness
seems to be the most current status of how scholas handle where recruits go
barren tapir
Yeah, but it could have been a campaign rulebook
barren tapir
I'm wondering what will happen to kasrkin now, they were on par of tempestus scions, but now they are kasrless to defend
final spruce
Booo
distant harness
rolled into scions probably
final spruce
Well if cadian regiments still exist, I suppose the kaskrins may
barren tapir
Maybe, but they will have no kasr to defend now...
Those custodes excerpt were nice...
knotty cove
cadian regiments are still the most numerous in the guard
restive turtle
Thought that would be Krieg
A lot of regiments look like Cadians but actually aren't.
final spruce
Krieg is one single planet
A lot of planets have cadians intructors or follow Cadia's training because its good and produces quality troups
final seal
most likely absorbed by tempestus
barren tapir
I'm still in awe on how krieg became so "loved" it is one of the youngest regiments in the lore, being active maybe for 3, if not less, millennium and yet it seems it is a very well established one
leaden herald
I have a question as to what extent Space Marines go to naming their weapons?
Is it every weapon, or just specific relics?
or does it depend on the chapter?
celest dome
Like even real soldier sometime name their soldier
restive turtle
Many Regiments copy the Cadians uniforms and such as universal, but the actual Cadians themselves, only appear on Cadia and are of some of the highest qualities in the Imperium.
open marsh
To be fair its less that other copy the cadians, it more that its just the most "standard" issue gear. Tho it does pester me that most thing showing off the IG always show that pattern. Giving people the idea that is how the IG looks, when the IG are supposed to be the most visually varied Imperial force
(and doubly pesters me when the uniforms of the Terran Imperial Army regiments got retconned to look like Cadians)
atomic pelican
Yeeah
The more I get into Imperial stuff the more I understand the frustration
Considering that while minis have a reason for being limited, not alot o freason for books/lore/etc to be
or depictions in media
open marsh
exactly
at the very least, depictions of unique looking regiments in the lore / books give rise to kitbashes of them on taable top
Like it wouldnt be too hard to kitbash the Geno 52 Chillad with some Vostroyan models
atomic pelican
Hm
open marsh
atomic pelican
Does Fenris have a special guard regiment or smthing?
open marsh
Does Fenris have a special guard regiment or smthing?
Yes
barren tapir
The mighty kaerls!
open marsh
atomic pelican
Niceo
open marsh
I went on a lore binge when I was briefly obsessed with combat serfs of various chapters
atomic pelican
I think I remembe rthat FHNFJHN
celest dome
Don't they even have 2 (3) PDF, SW Normal soldier (+Midguardian PDF)
open marsh
I think I remembe rthat FHNFJHN
hehehehe
final spruce
Good thing GW supports kitbashing so if you got another army, you can make cool stuff with IG
open marsh
Don't they even have 2 (3) PDF, SW Normal soldier (+Midguardian PDF)
Those are from a different planet tho they fell under SW protect/jurisdiction
barren tapir
Don't they even have 2 (3) PDF, SW Normal soldier (+Midguardian PDF)
Midgard regiments are PDF, kaerls are warrior serfs, there is a difference
open marsh
Yup
vagrant osprey
GW supports kitbashing as long as it's their base model and you exclusively use their paints
So no vantablack
And the Pinkest Pink is right out.
crisp heath
how will they find out if it's their paints
final spruce
They don't
plucky moth
Taste tests
final spruce
Citadel paint has never been an issue with tournament
The third party plastic or resin piece however is true
crisp heath
ik about that
final spruce
And they may even say no to you playing this model
rose sand
when gw paint touches a non gw paint it combusts
crisp heath
i don't think we even have official tournaments here tho
final spruce
Dunno depends where you are
However since we're talking about minis
It makes me remember the VT anniversary made with all the miniatures
That was cool
primal tide
Yes, I loved that
rose sand
Blade guard are good models back to the right style of the faction space knights
coarse mirage
how are tehre even enough people in the realms in AoS?
I've never gotten a sense for the scale of AoS
atomic pelican
The realms are
massive
Each realm varies in size but they're about from the size of a continent to the size of a planet
The people have either been there before, been brought over, or etc
coarse mirage
everyone seems so heavily armored and super powered too that it feels like nobody normal could stand a chance
atomic pelican
You're thin king about like
1 faction
There are mortal fighters in AoS
Cities of Sigmar come to mind
Or really pretty much any faction that isn't Stormcasts or like Ossiarchs
And people stand a chance the same way people stand a chance against spesh mahrens
Outnumbering them
atomic pelican
Hey man
they're better than space marines
Actually have personalities
Aren't raised as genocidal gene machines
+Don't hog the entire range
vagrant osprey
No, they're already adults when they're given their crossbowlter :V
atomic pelican
Yee
barren tapir
SIGMARINES!
atomic pelican
WE ARE SIGMAR'S CHOSEN!
vagrant osprey
They still have the problem of losing their identity and falling into the role of being a vessel for the enactment of violence at the expense of everything else, giving rise to eventual psychosis and causing harm to those they hold dear.
barren tapir
And they have bolter too! No, i didn't used the wrong name, what they shoot can be called bolt, so they can still be called bolters
vagrant osprey
Soooo... Yeah, still not a fan of them deciding to boil the uniqueness out of WF and mashing in 40k.
atomic pelican
I think the stormcasts by themselves sell more than anything ever did in last ed WHF
Not even counting like, every other AoS thing
barren tapir
They have better models, and they have been highly sponsored... I agree that WHF wasn't really going on for money, but it required love, not being throw in the trash
vagrant osprey
The entire point of Astartes was that they were the most effective fighting force humanity had ever known, but there weren't enough of them to make a difference
But now you'd think there's more Astartes than IG, judging by how GW handles things and how sales go.
vagrant osprey
40k.
atomic pelican
Ahh okii then
vagrant osprey
checks what channel this is
atomic pelican
I thought u were trying to say stormcasts hogged the line
Yeah but we were talking about stormcasts u goomby
vagrant osprey
Oh, no, I'm saying that Astartes hog the line everywhere they go.
atomic pelican
The sudden shift confused me
vagrant osprey
They did it to 40k, they
atomic pelican
Yee u right
vagrant osprey
're doing to to AoS
atomic pelican
They aren't tho
Like the entire last year + few months of releases have been other factions
vagrant osprey
Funny story: There are more Astartes models in the hands of people who play them than there are Astartes in 40k lore.
atomic pelican
Honestly I don't think they'll be doing it to 40k forever either
Since releases are planned like, years in advance
vagrant osprey
Not even counting people who just buy the models as collectors.
Mostly, I just really dislike that they decided to take a plotline they cut from 40k and throw it in WF.
atomic pelican
Stormcasts are literally only like marines in appearance
They really aren't alike in any other way
vagrant osprey
The thing I mentioned about psychosis? Yeah, that's literally a plot they had started setting up for Astartes in 40k before they scrapped it.
atomic pelican
Probably because power armor sells
But it was scrapped
Also you keep saying this as if Stormcasts are guaranteed to go mad
When they aren't.
barren tapir
Just don't get killed
vagrant osprey
All who die enough will go mad. In the long run, they will all die.
atomic pelican
There are stormcasts who have lived since the age of myth and aren't mad.
And no
They have to die alot to go mad
er
age of chaos*
coarse mirage
I'm listening to an audiobook called Deathwatch: Shadowbreaker and it's really good. 5 hours left of it and it's full of twists and revelations. This author is excellent.
vagrant osprey
Yes, but death is unavoidable. Eventually, they will all die too much.
atomic pelican
They can stop fighting, you know?
Stormcasts often will take up governance roles and such
Or leadership roles
vagrant osprey
A fair point, but every death makes them less effective in those roles. They have to stop early, and if a stormcast isn't fighting then they're not using the limited resource that has been allocated to them.
barren tapir
Stormcasts often will take up governance roles and such
Can they become a farmer?
atomic pelican
You know, that's actually a funny question
vagrant osprey
Yes.
atomic pelican
I'm not sure, I don't see why not, so I'd say yes
A stormcast could retire completely in theory
barren tapir
Using their old armour as scarecrow
potent swift
When was the last Stormcast release anyway? Aside from the Anniversary model, I can't recall any new models they've gotten.
vagrant osprey
They'd do a great job of replacing an ox.
atomic pelican
Oh but
I don't remember
Like, at least a year + ago
Stormcasts get good support but they don't get it all
They might've actually gotten something early 2020? I can't quite remember
coarse mirage
Is Malal coming back or am I just watching fans being wishful?
open marsh
In 40k or Fantasy
coarse mirage
40k
open marsh
He has been back since 5e in the form of Malice
Even has his own CSM warband, the Sons of Malice
coarse mirage
I thought all that was non-canon.