i feel that
#40k-lore-chat
plush mason
plush mason
bt for me its the even more smoothbrain people that believe what they see in movies is real lol
rotund siren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plush mason
which seems to be like half of america rn
primal tide
Or that actors should get hate for things their characters did
plush mason
yup
rotund siren
oh don't get me started
crisp heath
ppl who actually push for media censorship :)
here's your shovel, here's mine. yours is for digging the grave, mine's for putting you in it.
plush mason
yessss
crisp heath
crisp heath
i don't recall seeing it no
plush mason
its was during that whole "kreig isnt WW1 german army base" BS
crisp heath
however, this makes me want to see krieg officers with pickelhauben
plush mason
i mean they use the stalhelm
crisp heath
like this but with gas mask and two-headed aquila topper
plush mason
like this but with gas mask and two-headed aquila topper
the generals wear pickelhauben iirc
crisp heath
looks more like stahlhelm with dragoon crest
plush mason
yeah it does
crisp heath
austrian dragoon helmet
a nicer one
but yes
eagle crest could be made with some spare bits
HMMMM
crisp heath
the "fringe" is different on the krieg officer, more reminiscent of the stahlhelm. the stahlhelm looks more like an open-faced, early sallet, whereas the pickelhauben and their derivatives look more like burgonets, having a slightly different peak in the front and a tail/back section that's more receded, possibly lobstered, covering the ears less
crisp heath
lobster cosplay
open marsh
Posted both Incase someone tried to say the Krieg engineers used wwi german armour. That armour style was popular on all sides
crisp heath
if it ain't broke don't fix it
open marsh
I like to make sure that I'm using a high pressure automatic nail gun to put the nails in the coffin of the "Krieg are Nazis!" Crowd
celest dome
put the nails in the coffin
Wait it's in the coffin that you're supposed to put the nail ?
crisp heath
it all comes together to make me absolutely insufferable when talking about anything military wear related, especially if german or austrian
open marsh
I'm a military tech nerd who just really hates people who try and associate everything remotely german with Nazis
final spruce
Assuming people care
crisp heath
well they will once i'm beating them over the head with a steel-toed boot
final spruce
People will just see the Kriegs think vaguely of WW2 germans and yell Nazi
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
everything can be solved with sufficient amounts of violence, darling
storm jungle
final spruce
You say that like'd be able to apply said violence
I'm sorry but it makes you sound edgy
open marsh
People will just see the Kriegs think vaguely of WW2 germans and yell Nazi
See that's what gets me. They aren't remotely WWII german. All their style comes from WWI and even then only their helmets are german. The most of their uniform is french and british
final spruce
Well Medic its like people calling anything animal humanoid related furry
People just generalize
crisp heath
not yours, you're nice dilara
storm jungle
yesss im safe
final spruce
Me that's been in lockdown since February 2020
open marsh
Well Medic its like people calling anything animal humanoid related furry
Or associate all furries with the ones even we think are weird and want nothing to do with
crisp heath
usually i filter it by being violent in eg bunker maintenance works or violently pedalling on my bike
final spruce
I mean you're the one here with a weird pfp and posting furry art Medic
crisp heath
or actually fighting in larp and fencing
rotund siren
*Me that's been in lockdown since February 2020*
same
final spruce
I haven't been able to do HEMA for a while, it scuks
BUT I'm int he wrong chat anyway
storm jungle
usually i filter it by being violent in eg bunker maintenance works or violently...
Bike pedalling is way more relaxing than it should be
open marsh
I mean you're the one here with a weird pfp and posting furry art Medic
I'm not sure if you are memeing right now or not
final spruce
I'm not
open marsh
Then you are just being an asshole. got it
crisp heath
those fucking blackberry plants on the bunker grounds witnessed real wrath
crisp heath
Bike pedalling is way more relaxing than it should be
there's nothing relaxing about it, you just have to force yourself to go faster than -- that loser ass family trip group stretching for 10 meters, that fat fuck in stupid bike shorts, that kid with the annoying hat that keeps swerving, that dumbass that's taking up half the path, etc etc -- until you realise you're 20km away from your house and you have to get back before dark because you have 1. no lights, 2. no money to pay a ticket if you get caught without lights after dark, so you furiously pedal back and then you're so exhausted you think it was relaxing.
i will do it every week in summer nonetheless
storm jungle
Oh.
._.
final spruce
You make me remember that woman that served with the World Eaters when they were loyalists
final spruce
Yes that one !
open marsh
Lotara was a traitor too
storm jungle
Expecting males in their fifties from Britain to do stuff like that correctly
also OOF
didnt want to say it but yes
crisp heath
why her lol
final spruce
Well Britain was known in Europe to be quite behind when it came to social politics like women's right or equality between people of color
Because that woman was as angry as Marines with Butcher's Nails
And you sound like someone with a lot of pent up anger
storm jungle
Also shooting a world eater in the face
and telling them to get in line
AND living ontop of it
crisp heath
i'd say i'm closer to blood angels. 50% anger 50% art and melancholy
but i keep my depressive outbursts private
final spruce
I mean we all needs people to hear those out
Maybe ask someone close to you or a total stranger for those
open marsh
@crisp heath Prussian flammenwerfer helmet
crisp heath
ik that one, love it
open marsh
Is this not some of the most 40k shit you have seen?
plush mason
seeing as the guy that would wear this would be shooting a wall of flame as he walked to you ima say yes
tho i doubt the WW1 flamethrowers where very effective
hell a WW2 era one only have a 60 yard range and only had enough fuel for less than 60 seconds of flame
final spruce
Yeah but the point isn't for it be an effective weapon
Its to break the enemy's morale
And 60 yard sounds good enough when what you're doing is trench cleaning
plush mason
i doubt WW1 era ones had that range and fire time
weakers pumps and smaller tanks on the ones i have seen
crisp heath
but it still would be terrifying as fuck to the ppl who've never seen that shit before
final spruce
The article i read said they were mostly about 18 meters of range
Which , in a trench, sounds like good enough
rotund siren
Is this not some of the most 40k shit you have seen?
just make it stained glass
open marsh
Wouldnt be able to see. But it is very much like something the Solar Auxilia would have worn
rotund siren
who needs to see when you can SPREAD FIRE UPON YOUR ENEMIES!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAH! FOR THE EMPRAH!!!
simple elbow
I may have asked this before, but Ogryn or Ork Boy? Who ya got???
open marsh
I'm still not unconvinced that Ogryns are Orkz who believe they are human
odd sparrow
https://youtu.be/midRQ0zkWJI?t=246 sharing just cus this particular bit is so hilarious to me. tau vs vostroyan rough riders and it sums up that matchup so well lol
but they are atop beasts of burden?? not armoured personnel carriers, not hover vehicles, not even open topped vans???? but ANIMALS?????
[EXTREME BLUEBERRY CONFUSION]
arctic crane
Flamethrowers would be very effective for clearing out dugouts. You would roast anyone within view, set fire to all the wooden supports, and suffocate anyone inside as the fire burnt up all the oxygen.
I rather doubt they were used like they are in 40k though
odd sparrow
i mean, the point of captured dugouts is you can use them afterwards i would've thought
sorry sir we can't use those quarters for our men, they're currently on fire and collapsing
arctic crane
Dugouts would be very difficult to attack, with curved tunnels they could prevent grenades from being effective and allow for even men with bolt-action rifles to hold for a fair amount of time. It would probably be more effort then they were worth to try to capture them intact if the defenders didn't surrender.
Especially in a pitched battle, it might also be an unreasonable risk to allow a dugout to remain behind your soldiers. If they can breakout and effectively surround your troops in the trench later.
vagrant osprey
40k doesn't model asphyxiation in any way.
Technically speaking, nobody in the tabletop game breathes.
Since the lore is written from the basis of the tabletop, they kinda forget that oxygen is a thing there, too
Remember, Space Hulks are open to space, and they aren't large enough to hold an atmosphere.
(If they were large enough, they would start compacting and the deck plating couldn't prevent the center of mass from being "down")
finite roost
can someone please explain me this?
wait
there's more
are primarchs gonna have a meeting on my discord server
please help
storm jungle
As Dorn once said; the best offense is a good defense.
visual pumice
a DARK tide?
storm jungle
WHAT IS THIS
open summit
Oh look, the loyalist Primarchs are actually getting their shit together.
open summit
Not all of them. I think we're missing The Lion.
finite roost
he was the first
open summit
Ah, well, he should know that Cypher showed up in the server.
Honestly I was expecting the lazy lord of the 1st to still be asleep.
open summit
I guess now we're just waiting for Emps himself.
dim wagon
they just talking about eldar tiddies
finite roost
fair enough
final spruce
Taurox Prime waifu ? That's a very specific choice
open marsh
Johny Asasyn. A missing Primarch
dim wagon
perhaps
storm jungle
🙌
final spruce
He is back !
final spruce
Still Eldar titties I presume
dim wagon
yeeesss
dim wagon
ok we kicked him
finite roost
banned from the server?
dim wagon
he kept talking about some slaanesh deamon booty
finite roost
good
crisp heath
"so they put him on a giant golden chair where he will continue keeping daemons away from earth and shine his immense psychic might across the galaxy like a fuckhuge satnav signal emitter"
me trying to explain the emperor to a buddy who knows nothing about 40k
finite roost
yes
vagrant osprey
I think I saw that guy defending Arch on facebook.
He kept saying "leave the buts for Slaanesh"
finite roost
arch did nothing wrong
finite roost
shit you figured out my reference
ok so
Arch did not know about holocaust
ok maybe that is too much
crisp heath
space marines are fucking huge, do you think they have dedicated back scratching serfs? i'm pretty sure they can't reach there on their own
or a back scratching rack
plucky moth
ok maybe that is too much
yes that is too much
storm jungle
space marines are fucking huge, do you think they have dedicated back scratching...
You know whos more qualified for the job?
beep boop
plucky moth
Servo skull waifu
storm jungle
☝️
crisp heath
back scratcher skull cmere
vagrant osprey
Just imagine an Astartes falling to chaos because they can't get somebody to scratch their back
vagrant osprey
Go for Slaanesh. You'll never be itchy enough
green sedge
Tzneetch, you only itch in abstract nonphysical locations.
Khorne, you itch but the only thing that scratches it is putting an axe into other people.
Wait isn't that just normal World Eaters?
green sedge
In the grim darkness of the 42nd millennium, you are itchy.
prisma lark
well now I'm itchy, thank you very much...
green sedge
I think that was the only possible outcome from this.
green sedge
:|
plucky moth
crisp heath
fuck you
well you know what? your tongue isn't sitting in your mouth comfortably
and you're blinking manually from now on
green sedge
This is getting dangerous. Soon people will be aware of the fact that the muscles in their hands are asymmetrically developed and they'll be trying to lick their own elbows.
vagrant osprey
I've been aware of my hands having asymmetric muscle development.
crisp heath
my hands are just fine
both fully capable of performing emperor's children type activities
and by that i mean applying makeup, styling hair and making jewelry if there's a pervert in here
green sedge
siiiighs I always do a better job applying nail polish to one of my hands than the other.
crisp heath
wouldn't know about that
to be fair i even style my hair quite rarely
hairband and hipster bun if i need to do some shit with it out of my face
barren tapir
Are you guys trying to reset yourself to factory's settings??
plucky moth
crisp heath
that could be useful
final spruce
No I wish to return to the DNA soup
barren tapir
Also, Inquisitor Eisenfaust, is this you?
crisp heath
no it means fighting vehicle
crisp heath
okay
storm jungle
ashen zenith
Servo skull waifu
Look I'm not trying to be unnecessarily vulgar but, I'm sure theres atleast 1 rich guy in the imperium that made a servo skull out of his wife and equipped it with a fslight
rotund siren
ah, a classic Welsh village
crisp heath
there's this meme
but i'll send it in off topic because we're squatting in the wrong channel
green sedge
Weird erotic servitors come up sort of obliquely in Gaunt's Ghosts at least once.
crisp heath
Look I'm not trying to be unnecessarily vulgar but, I'm sure theres atleast 1 ri...
in the mouth?
ashen zenith
My mind did not wander that far
potent swift
Was it Necropolis? I do recall a nobleman who had a weird thing for having tons of servitors
plush mason
Was it Necropolis? I do recall a nobleman who had a weird thing for having tons ...
a necropolis is a "city of the dead"
its latin
necro=dead and polis=city
storm jungle
plush mason
they are massive tomb comblexes
potent swift
It's also the title of the 3rd Gaunt's Ghost book
plush mason
where 10s of thousands are buried
plush mason
yes
crisp heath
i mean there are literal tomb worlds
primal tide
A tomb is where people get buried
rotund siren
where 10s of thousands are buried
oh yeah the crypt worlds
or grave worlds
Would be really funny if a tomb world was under one
barren tapir
Cemetery worlds
rotund siren
"The dead have come back to life! By the Emperor, what do we do!"
Oh right yes
that's the right word
we said all of them except the right one
barren tapir
There should be one where the DKoK fought some necrons
rotund siren
huh, alright
crisp heath
i would love to see a tomb world - converted into a cemetery world by unknowing imperials - as the place of some brutal siege
you dig a trench. by the throne, you're fortifying your position with tombstones and skeletons.
rotund siren
waddya know
dull flame
plush mason
maybe
serene eagle
probably not aye tho, someone has to keep the grimdark going
but I do like the idea of gulliman and Cawl making everything shiny and new
open marsh
you think we'll get Primaris Guard?
That's just Scions
eternal ledge
In regards to someone asking earlier if Ork meat could be used as rations
viral vessel
What I'd give to see some Primaris Tempestus Scions.
ashen zenith
I imagine not with the ig in general since its so big
And any human improvement in armour wouldnt make that much of a difference against orks and tyranids I imagine
open marsh
I mean there are gene enhancements that normies can get
Some even rival the Astartes process
distant harness
not really normies but ye, assassins have some impressive shit
not gonna out-astartes anyone, but they're insanely well tweaked for whatever it is they do
open marsh
There is the process that enhanced Luther and Kor Phaeron.
The process used to enhance Hector Rex.
The process used to enhance that body guard I forget his name
distant harness
wasn't rex's supposed to be pretty similar to the astartes one?
ashen zenith
@primal tide wondering about what you said about event horizon, was human ftl before the dark age of technology also through the warp?
open marsh
wasn't rex's supposed to be pretty similar to the astartes one?
Similar but not the same
crisp heath
They Had huge archeships that traveled for generations Till they reached there Destination. Most of them where deconstructed on arrival to fuel the new settlement with Ressources
Thats also the reason why there are so many different human cultures, they all gone there own path since contact and travel to Other collonies was realy unlikly Till Impossible
Warpdrives was Developer arround the 18th millenium
ashen zenith
So they didnt have ftl travel??
crisp heath
Not at the beginning. Later there was warpdrives but Just for short jumps.
Even later the Navigators appeared allowing for longer more precise jumps
open marsh
So they didnt have ftl travel??
And even when they did have warp travel, they didn't have geller fields at first. Necessitating the creation of the Men of Stone and Stone Ships
crisp heath
But the Warp was way calmer These days which Made it easier in General to travel it
finite roost
What happens if you use a vortex grenade in the warp?
Like, there are 3 options
1:send them to material world
2:nothing
3:send them to SUPER WARP
crisp heath
I whould say nr.1
.....When the grenade is activated, it creates a tiny rift between realspace and the Warp, a rift that becomes a vortex in the very fabric of space-time........
cloud kindle
super warp
prisma lark
the question is probably how it creates that rift in the first place, and what this method does in the actual Warp
ashen lake
probably 2
rule of cool says something weird should probably happen
the idea of it send you back to real space is fun though. I could see that being used as some way to survive an impossible situation in a novel or something.
they'd have to write in some good reason for the character to end up on somewhere habitable though and not just floating in space since the odds are like 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% that they would
crisp heath
Pretty sure popping a vortex does a hell of a whole lot more than make a portal
It's more like devastatingly violent decompression into the warp
You won't get alive on the other side
More like mashed potatoes
ashen lake
PO TA TOES!?
crisp heath
Vortex weapons are amongst the most destructive explosives that you can deploy
The Nova Cannon can fire vortex as well
vagrant osprey
Also: Note that using a vortex grenade on a daemon does not kill the daemon.
It's a quick way to get it out of the materium, though
vagrant osprey
Conversely, using a Vortex grenade on a C'Tan shard just fails.
open marsh
Only way to kill a daemon in the materium is to kill it with an anathema. Or something charged by the Emperor
vagrant osprey
Or by the killing intent of another warp thing.
Daemons can kill each other in the materium just fine, if it's ever relevant.
open marsh
You can kill them in the warp tho. Khan did that
open marsh
Khan is just a baddass badass who does what the hell he wants and noone can stop him
median sundial
Th
shrewd rain
Warpstone here man-things, yes yes?
storm jungle
Mcguffin Plot Device is here yes
rotund siren
snort the warpstone yes yes
cloud kindle
good rats get head pats
rotund siren
yes man-thing, pat-pat the rat
gray trellis
Question: How many types of "worlds" are there?
For example: i know what a Hive-world is, is a world with a high density of population/cities
final spruce
Rogue Trader Big E
odd sparrow
i do kinda prefer the not an actual throne interpretation of the golden throne tbh
crisp heath
i'd say 'vaguely chairlike structure'
i mean
a toilet could be interpreted as a sort of chairlike structure
that's why we call it the porcelain throne
the real golden throne
odd sparrow
so that's the real reason for big e's torment
crisp heath
he's sitting on a giant toilet and he's horribly constipated
crisp heath
the astronomicon is just him mentally focusing on pushing
storm jungle
final spruce
Atleast we know where Warpstorms come from then
storm jungle
weird stuff drengbarazi
odd sparrow
i do like the uh
one sec
weirdly crappy quality but this one
it's the centre of the imperium, gotta have some extreme sense of scale
storm jungle
Oh speaking of that
this is what the Imperial Palace looks like placed over Nepal/Asia if i remember right
its great lol
storm jungle
I just hope they have trams
final spruce
In 30 minutes, tramway in direction to : the kitchen
ashen zenith
for the sense of scale the best representation is the one with the thousands/millions of flags and the 2 huge "titans" guarding each side
storm jungle
Any standart throughout history or future ones deemed worthy being placed in the hall
also yeee rogue trader was awesome
odd sparrow
tbh I don't understand how they wanna like, do terra? Cus i've always interpreted it as being like
a couple of ridiculously massive structures/areas like the imperial palace and stuff
but then other things depict as like. an actual hive world? with people living on it that aren't priests or smthn
storm jungle
Yeah thats the general gist of it
the planet is mostly dead with some outer hive cities
ashen zenith
goofy custodes
storm jungle
the most massive one being around the palace
odd sparrow
idk given it's the centre of the imperium i'd imagine they'd have long sinced banished the vast majority of the peasants
ye that makes some sense
storm jungle
Yeeee i suggest some reading, like its explained but not much is given since the planet is so barren
final spruce
Hey I recognize that !
odd sparrow
I love the body horror in the rogue trader stuff tbh
final spruce
Who the fucked added an aquila to a necron tomb world
odd sparrow
where's that picture of like, high lord of terra looking ppl who barely even look human
storm jungle
1 sec
odd sparrow
with animal skulls and shit, it's glorious
odd sparrow
Who the fucked added an aquila to a necron tomb world
hey this is a human pyramid not a necron one
it doesn't shoot lasers
storm jungle
I had to draw these guys in microsoft paint once from scratch for a meme it was fucking painful
odd sparrow
i do like all the like, depictions of super high ranking imperials that doesn't just go BIG POWER ARMOUR
who could've guessed you could apply gothic architecture to clothing
odd sparrow
wait that's a cannon??
final spruce
That what gives away he is from the Ig idiot
final spruce
He even wears artillery !
odd sparrow
the true leader of the IG
ashen zenith
Who the fucked added an aquila to a necron tomb world
the hommonculus that first made the golden throne was feeling inspired that day
final spruce
I got a bullet with your face on it
odd sparrow
scared chaplain noises
final spruce
And will deliver it via a portable shoulder mounted Basilisk
crisp heath
who could've guessed you could apply gothic architecture to clothing
don't call me out on fashion
final spruce
How ridiculous does that sound ?
storm jungle
How ridiculous does that sound ?
40K ridiculous thats how
final spruce
I know thats why its so glorious
crisp heath
i want a shoulder mounted gun on a massive platinum harness
odd sparrow
that sounds illegal
final spruce
It sounds cool af
crisp heath
i will pew pew you
odd sparrow
a fair point
final spruce
Pretty loyalist of you
crisp heath
i wear a skull on my winter cap and 20 crosses on my neck i thought i was making myself obvious
ashen zenith
you could take one of those samsung sentry guns and attach it to your shoulder if you dont mind the weight
final spruce
Sentry going up !
atomic pelican
Engineer Gaming
crisp heath
i was thinking about making a mechanism for larp
where you have a gun mounted on the shoulder or so
and a trigger in hand via cable or extension mechanism
storm jungle
With enough money everything is possible
ashen zenith
if you have an arduino it shouldnt be too difficult
except for the whole shoulder mounting
crisp heath
you could sling it under the shoulder too
the shoulder mounting could be done via some form of harness
this was for a costume which is supposed to have wings and claws so as to make firing easier when you can't use the trigger
serene eagle
What's the current imperium/eldar relations like?
cloud kindle
Depends on the factions
open summit
What's the current imperium/eldar relations like?
Fairly decent terms with the Ynnari, eh with the Craftworlders, and definitely against the Dark Eldar (in public, in secret some inquisitors are smuggling Dark Eldar onto Terra to see if they can fix the Golden Throne).
open marsh
@atomic pelican
It was an epic tale that had built up around her, but as Trishala sat alone in her cabin recovering from her wounds, she could only wonder how such a story had come to be. Certainly she’d struck out for the cathedral after leaving Kashibai in the catacombs. It had been her intention to join her Sisters in a last stand against the cultists. She could remember passing through the Mourning Door and advancing through the crypts.``` Trishala could feel the pulse of the ship’s engines as it started away from Lubentina. She didn’t have a viewport to watch as the planet receded into the distance, but she could sense the increasing gulf just the same. The connection she shared with the God-Emperor had been bound into her duty as defender of Vadok Singh’s relics. As she drew away from the place where she’d failed in that duty, she could feel a hideous sense of isolation and loneliness wailing through her brain. She’d lost that sense of community, of belonging. Even with the rest of her Battle Sisters fallen in combat, while she was on Lubentina she hadn’t felt alone. They were with her, as close to her as her own thoughts.```Pog
open marsh
The feeling of isolation swelled inside her mind. Trishala rested against the desk, dropping down on the metal stool. She bowed her head in prayer, seeking the comfort of communing with the God-Emperor. Since escaping with the Shroud, she had prayed incessantly, repenting her failures and asking for the strength that seemed unequal to the trials ahead.``` In the midst of war, she’d unexpectedly found enlightenment. Trishala had been blessed to carry that gift within her.
That one day she might bring others the glory of ascension.```
The hilarious part is
She'd probably be found out in like a day at best and just shot in the head or something unless shes fast.
open marsh
Not necessarily. Remember that the whole force of an Astartes chapter's serfs got infected and started a GSC
storm jungle
Dangit
crisp heath
must've thought it's good having four arms to scrub armor with
final spruce
It's most likely her child that would have 4 arms thought
crisp heath
I mean the serfs
final spruce
Children aswell, which may be impossible if their implants make them like the fully fledged SM
open marsh
must've thought it's good having four arms to scrub armor with
The actual GSCs remained hidden deep within the fortress-monestary
While they would lure in and infect any new serfs who came in
Hard to catch any genetic anomalies when the infected are the ones running the tests
barren tapir
So, SoB are just useful to defence, since even on the attack they are subpar compared to the IG
final spruce
Not really
Especially with Sisters willingly charging the enemy and using devastating short range weapons like Melta and flamers
barren tapir
That can be done by the IG too
final spruce
Also them not refusing a fight in melee thanks to repentias, penitent engines and arco flagellants
final spruce
Indeed but by their fath, their better armor and weaponry, a charging by sisters will usually end up better than an IG one
barren tapir
After all, they may have a chainsword and laspistol, but nothing prevent them from using lasguns too
final spruce
Ogryns don't have the coordination and decision making and adaptability of a human sadly
barren tapir
Indeed but by their fath, their better armor and weaponry, a charging by sisters...
True, it is only their equipment that let them be good... But IG don't need to charge in plain sight...
final spruce
Also keep in mind that using Sisters to defend anything less than a divine relic or artefact will have a huge impact on morale
They don't I agree, I'm just saying SoB have more aggressive tactics compared to the more calculated guardsmen
crisp heath
rules don't matter, play what you like looking at and painting
final spruce
That rely on specialized regiments and a solid command structure
barren tapir
I know, i like that they are used for that too... So more people can be used to defend useful sites
final spruce
We're not talking rules
We're talking about difference of roles between IG and Sororitas
atomic pelican
Very simple
barren tapir
It is true that IG command structure is more a dice roll than a stable thing
atomic pelican
One dies so space marines can be cool and the other donates blood so the space marines can be cool
primal tide
Lmao
final spruce
Well it can be, if you end up with a glory-seeking officer that do not care about losses, well you're in for a ride
barren tapir
Like, two regiments, raised from the same world may have a very different style of leadership, while at least in the sororitas there is quite a standard
final spruce
Funnily enough, Guardsmen tend to be more disciplined options in certain situations, especially when you are beginning to lose officers
With Sororitas known to blindly charge into a useless death, seeking to become a martyr
barren tapir
I cry for all that equipment being lost... Damn, that hit hard
final spruce
Actually, different Sororitas orders have different philosophies
Speaking about the regiment difference you mentionned
barren tapir
I know, but that is like saying that IG has different philosophies with catachans and cadians ans elysians etc, but the problem is that two cadians regiments may have two very different style of leadership, while the sororistas one don't change much inside the orders
final spruce
True, all SoB are linked by their Order's vows creates less culture difference compared to IG regiments
plucky moth
that's what makes IG so charming
final spruce
I mean, most sisters go through the Schola Progenium where you learn to discard your previous life and take the role you are given
atomic pelican
Schola Fatsharkium
final spruce
I feel like coding does that to you
Hard to have a "culture" where what you do from birth is study and train in the ways of warfare
Or a personality at all
primal tide
Schola Programmium
median sundial
Has anyone ever acknowledge how ridiculous the setting is? Not authors or internet users, the characters inside the world.
vast frigate
probably some chaos marines
celest dome
Maybe Malcador, he sound like he could see the whole picture
cloud kindle
That one weirdboy that knows he is a plastic miniature
distant harness
True, it is only their equipment that let them be good... But IG don't need to c...
SoB are significantly better trained also, they're more equivalent to scions but with better armour and leadership
better in general than them tbh, considering the whole miracles thing
vagrant osprey
Malcador knows, that one weirdboy, and Tzneech
final spruce
Well they are trained alongside the scions and commissar during their youth
vagrant osprey
That's why Tzneetch spends most of his time dead.
distant harness
Ya exactly, they come out of a pretty similar process to a good amount of elite groups
Guard are a step up from random pdf soldiers, but they're not really close to sisters in setting
vagrant osprey
Oh, and The Deceiver. IIRC he knows, and is out to fuck shit up so the setting never becomes stagnant since a stagnant setting would get cancelled.
vagrant osprey
SoB are significantly better trained also, they're more equivalent to scions but...
SoB are somewhere between the Scions and Astartes.
distant harness
I'd agree with that yeah, scions were just the closest IG equivalent I could think of
final spruce
Scions are pretty damn good
distant harness
Sisters get real strong the further up their command chain you go, even ignoring celestine
final spruce
I daresay more efficient than SoB
storm jungle
I gotta agree with this one
final spruce
Well scions dont have the power of god and anime at their side
storm jungle
Scions are way too tactical, Sororitas are more shock and awe
vagrant osprey
SoB get powered armor, and some get powers.
distant harness
I wouldn't say so, scions are used more sparingly but sisters are definitely better combatants 1v1, as well as being able to do shit with faith
storm jungle
Yeah but they cant exactly pray when they get their faces melted by a hellgun volley
distant harness
If you've got to cleanse a hive or something you'd 100% use sisters over scions
final spruce
Scions in general get more training than SoB and can hold more roles than soB
distant harness
Hey I mean one literally prays the gauss away in the 9th trailer
vagrant osprey
If I need to cleanse a hive I'm going virus bomb.
final spruce
Because scion are infiltration and shock troops units
distant harness
How do scions get more training?
final spruce
Simple, less pray time more spray time
distant harness
Sisters basically exclusively train and pray, they're insane
final spruce
Well scions just train
distant harness
I don't think we've ever seen a scions schedule mentioned have we?
vagrant osprey
It is literally impossible to cleanse a hive with any number of troops you could reasonably field.
final spruce
So good you say 1 number and they mount a whole operation
storm jungle
Theres actually this one old scion book
where they kill some nutcase sororitas
thats the only example iirc
distant harness
I can't think of many that focus on them really at all tbh, they almost always just seem to be background stuff from what I've seen
storm jungle
Yeee basically
distant harness
Sisters aren't crazy popular either, but there's enough books about them to say
final spruce
Scions do appear sparringly in books
Like them being used to do the space drop to destroy a bases anti air from orbit just using their armor, a grav chute and heat proof skin on their armor
storm jungle
yeah they're basically SAS arent they?
cloud kindle
Its 40k
distant harness
At least they're not just going "yeah send in a titan alone, what could go wrong"
vagrant osprey
That's not how you destroy anti-air in 40k
cloud kindle
It aint gotta make sense
distant harness
the imperium is learning
final spruce
They literaly infiltrated it from orbit and desactivated the power source
Which allowed the ships to come in and the SM to use their drop pods
distant harness
Imagine not just having a teleporter that does whatever you want
LaughingCustodes.png
final spruce
Because their targeting system was so good it could spot a sm power armor from orbit
vagrant osprey
But not the reentry heat of a troop squad.
I guess it's too bad that macrocannons can't shoot ground targets from orbit ¯_(ツ)_/¯
final spruce
Not with the heat absorbing skin they used
final spruce
Either way scions are trained to be as good if not better compared to SoB
They are however way more disciplined and can perform more tasks
Depending of the Tempestus office they may even get special training like Lambdan Lions learning Techno Lingua and more technology related skills
storm jungle
True but dont let SoB fans hear you say that
final spruce
Idgaf Ill protect the new boys, its so unusal IG gets new toys Ill defend them
Hey, funny part, Scions are actually encouraged to form friendship and relationships with their squad mates
final spruce
Like you end up with a scene where a scion is gushing how heis going to propose to that girl in his squad
And the SM looks at him weird because he doesnt get whats Love and horny
vagrant osprey
So the SM wasn't a Salamander, Space wolf, or Blood Angel :V
final spruce
I believe its the Eye of Medusa but i may be wrong
storm jungle
I'll take a look
storm jungle
but also yeah i love scions like that, their old lore was ultra-grimdank and had them being constantly brainwashed lol
vagrant osprey
Yep.
final spruce
I saw the excerp and it made me smile
odd sparrow
wholesome scions ftw
distant harness
40k in general seems to have moved away from a bit of that stuff, which is nice
storm jungle
distant harness
Sisters novels focus a lot on the bond they tend to have with their squad as well, instead of just having them be parodies of religious fanatics that have no real personality
final spruce
There is a reason regiments in iG tend to be separated by sex
odd sparrow
yea it's always nice to see that stuff
like, oh shit, it turns out that even in a shitty universe full of shitty things there are still decent people who have personalities and relationships and are actual characters
who knew
distant harness
mark of faith was so good with it, they were all fanatics obviously but it was cool to see how that interacted with them just being people, and dealing with insane shit that was going on
odd sparrow
character motivations? where we're going we don't need character motivations, we have 'for the emperor lmao'
distant harness
So much more compelling than "generic angry marine man #4462"
final spruce
Its a motivation alright
distant harness
I mean I like that stuff too, wouldn't be a sob novel without it
I just prefer characters to be people
which is a controversial take I know
atomic pelican
Yess
distant harness
oh really? I hadn't heard
distant harness
only warhammer news stuff I've seen is those hedonite models taunting me and my empty wallet
storm jungle
Oh yeah this book stuff was a few months old news
and they didnt really advertise it much; for reasons
atomic pelican
Probably timed to matchup with the drukhari/SoB boxset?
distant harness
wouldn't be a GW announcement without factions getting neglected for the glory of a primaris lieutenant/captain
storm jungle
okay noob question
i know primaris are marketed a lot
but does GW actually reveal primaris lieutenants constantly next to other faction releases lol
distant harness
It's pretty uncommon for there to be a big event without a marine announcement from what I've seen
the lieutenant thing is just a meme because they've made a bunch of them
atomic pelican
Yeah whenever a faction gets something, you usually have to pay the space marine tax
Its why most boxsets have a space marine half
distant harness
captains and sergeants get thrown into the lieutenant box too
storm jungle
atomic pelican
GW will model every mook from the HH books before giving a xeno more than 1 new HQ model on avg
atomic pelican
Oh man, maybe. Im unsure
storm jungle
Let me check
final spruce
Someone mentionning SoB getting pushed
Meanwhile even before Covid GW always struggled to keep the SoB stock available
Because so many people buy them
Nobody remembers when they relaunched the army and it was sold out in 2 minutes ?
distant harness
Just for main codex models alone there's 6 primaris lieutenant/captains, there's been a few that are limited I think as well
also tbh it's hard to say what sold out means, they might have just not produced many
atomic pelican
Jesus what a overbeaten horse
distant harness
At least he has cool hair I guess
final spruce
Wdym ? With his yee yee ass haircut
distant harness
HH is like 50+ I think
atomic pelican
Atleast hes not that one guy. Uriel? I think his name was
storm jungle
Wdym ? With his yee yee ass haircut
Chapter Master Lamar has the right idea
distant harness
also new book coming that's SoB, custodes and guard
final spruce
I just want Titus
distant harness
which is maybe cool, dunno the authors that well outside kyme
final spruce
Could have gave us the lieutenant lady atleast
atomic pelican
I just had a horrible fear
distant harness
a non-primaris lieutenant? what do you mean?
atomic pelican
They do a HH prequel style seriee for that new WHF thing set in the age of 3 emperors
And it sucks
And whf oldies hate it, aos fans hate it
Ive been hit by this portent
final spruce
Yeah I dont think re releasing Whf was a good financial move
distant harness
ngl I half expect that whole release to flop
atomic pelican
Yeah
distant harness
so many of the WHF fans that talk about it don't play or buy models
atomic pelican
Yeeeep
Mostly ppl brought in by video games who dont actually do the hobbyist stuff
distant harness
and there's already people crying about ice weapons, even though they've been in the setting since like 2007 or earlier
storm jungle
GW literally doesnt even care about it
atomic pelican
Or theyre oldies who are gonna hate the new stuff of the prequel setting
storm jungle
its been a fucking year since they made any news after kislev
we got like what now most recently, a stupid map?
atomic pelican
They did say it was gonna be like 3-5 years
By that point TWW and VT hype will be dead
And the series will return to its grave
atomic pelican
Maybe not TWW
distant harness
depends when TW3 comes out I guess
atomic pelican
TWW is like still super hype bcuz its so good
storm jungle
the tabletop thing will probably still die tho
atomic pelican
Yee
distant harness
but I really doubt there'll be much cross over
atomic pelican
I just mean the games ability to carry the series rlly
distant harness
they're super different markets, if people wanted to be playing tabletop they already would be
storm jungle
Yeah im pretty sure we all are more hyped for TWW3 than Whfb lol
final spruce
TWW and VT are still going strong and offer actual good content
storm jungle
Mmmmm ogres...
final spruce
And not yee yee ass minis
storm jungle
ogors
distant harness
I'm excited for some of the new models, but I'm not gonna play it
atomic pelican
Yeah I hope the empire state faction minis can be used in CoS
Their line rlly needs a update
distant harness
yeah definitely, some of the models are fine but there's a really big gap in quality
like look at the nomad prince or sisters of the thorn models compared to handgunners or helstorm
crisp heath
yo do you think machine spirits get pissed if you weld and hang shit on your armor
odd sparrow
idk if the machine spirit is a bastard they'd probs be into that
crisp heath
engrave me harder daddy?
crisp heath
hmmm that's good to know
it's still about the black crusade character basically i was wondering how it comes about that a traitor modifies his armor, and how the machine spirit would react to it
don't think i've read much about the machine spirits of power armor in general
how do you even ask a machine spirit for consent lol
cloud kindle
you say this
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gray trellis
I got you fam
@storm jungle Thanks fam
crisp heath
what about the machine spirits of those nearly broken, chipped, rusting chaos armors that have half fused with the wearer
what's up with those
storm jungle
<@!166943308231344128> Thanks fam
No worries
distant harness
are machine spirits in lower tech things like that even real?
open marsh
No
ashen zenith
Do you guys think the imperium could theoretically beat the peak age of technology human empire?
atomic pelican
Probably not
DaoT humanity was pretty op
They surpassed the Tau and were bigger, and the Tau atm manages to routinely hand the imperium its ass pretty okay considering their size
So Daot humanity would probably bean the imperium
Like, almost no contest I imagine
Their tech being like, mega strong
ashen zenith
Was daot humanity stronger than pre slanesh eldar?
atomic pelican
Ohh boy, I'm actually not sure.
@storm jungle You! Elf Wench!
Lore comes For You
ashen zenith
Must've been a pretty different time for 2 hyper advanced civilizations to share the universe without trying to annihilate eachother
atomic pelican
I feel like maybe the Eldar would've still been a bit stronger?
Just from being around longer + having webway gates as reliable transport
storm jungle
Alright so that and the first question above...
storm jungle
Do you guys think the imperium could theoretically beat the peak age of technolo...
The short answer for the Imperium vs Human Federation/Empire is no
The Dark Age humanity literally had any stupidly OP weapon you can think of since they were in their clean futuristic star trek phase.
Its one of the reasons why anything found from that era from terraforming tools to literal coats of paint are regarded with infamous status
the Dark Age of Technology as a whole is an era of mcguffin tools humanity could pull out of their ass to make their tasks easier.
Now for the matter with the Eldar if i remember correctly the human federations and the eldar had "peace treaties" of sorts and never bothered to irk one and other.
The Eldar at this phase were in the high life and were certainly OP but their decadence had gotten absolutely horrendous so they'd pretty much become pointy eared sloths that didnt wanna do anything.
They didnt even conquer worlds anymore and chose to let spirit-drones/robots do the job instead while they hanged back and did whatever.
atomic pelican
The Vibe Machines
storm jungle
to quote Stellaris when it comes to the Eldar and DAoT humie relationship:
"Let us state this plainly. We demand a buffer between us and the rest of the galaxy. You are not that buffer. Your allies are not that buffer. Cold, dead space is that buffer, and if it is not, we will make it so."
and humanity hasnt changed much since then, observe:
atomic pelican
Classique
storm jungle
gray trellis
@storm jungle wow, i didnt knew feudal worlds existed
ashen zenith
o i c
storm jungle
ashen zenith
tfw the other hyper advanced civilization in the galaxy starts declining and ur getting ready to take over their territory but suddenly carls head starts shaking violently and he starts speaking tongues
storm jungle
Pretty much what happened!
ashen zenith
@gray trellis https://imgur.com/gallery/tCOHn
cool little comic that takes place in feudal world
if ur interested
storm jungle
Attila what kind of planet it is? Feudal?
Also yep! And has lots of horses
GW isnt subtle
gray trellis
the concept of that kind of Nomad soldiers is cool tho
gray trellis
<@!293549048479088641> https://imgur.com/gallery/tCOHn
oh yea...the black templars dont care about whats in their path
On another topic:
i want to believe the II or XI Legion looked like this
crisp heath
Aaaaawesome comic
storm jungle
Closest we got to Marine spartans is the Minotaurs iirc
ashen zenith
i imagine orks get a green hardon when they invade a feudal planet and fight 100% in melee against humans
or alteast mostly
gray trellis
Closest we got to Marine spartans is the Minotaurs iirc
Yea
Also, i discovered the Arbiters...i love their helmet, is like Robocop, but with more police brutality
ashen zenith
its more judge dredd
viral vessel
^
Pretty much inspired by it. Living embodiment of the law with the authority to judge and execute.
open marsh
i want to believe the II or XI Legion looked like this
Minotaurs?
They be loyalist Iron Warrior successors
foggy laurel
I was reading another series of books recently
And they had these bunch of Demi-God like people
kinda like the Primarchs
And it put an idea in my head
Cuz in that series their Demigods, none came back from whatever they were doing right at all
Like they were all mad in some way or the other
What if the Primarchs were also like that? Yeah Guilliman made sense, he was basically on Pause for 10k years
So he was okay and basically himself
But like imagine all the other Primarchs, that were stuck in the Warp, or with the Dark Eldar
I think if they do come back, it would be really really interesting if they came back broken or mad. They may not be lost to Chaos, but they're not the same anymore at all
dense glen
Vulkan is currently hugging his way around the Imperium
Leman Russ is still alive, as is Corax and Jag.
Just busy doing other things
foggy laurel
Yeah but I doubt they'll be like completely sane haha
dense glen
Who knows. For them, they could have only been in the Warp a few days, whilst millennia has passed
storm jungle
Yep it fluctuates as the plot demands
foggy laurel
Lmao
tall fjord
"the emperor charged leman russ with a sacred duty above all others and sent him into the warp"
"what duty was that?"
"to 'bring back firefly' he said"
".......what does that mean?"
"i have no idea"
barren tapir
Seeing people thinking that SoB are superior in training to the IG is always funny, and quite wrong... Luckly there was Commissar Moth defending the IG...
final spruce
Technically the SoB have better training than your average Guardsman when it comes to shooting accurately and stabbing better
barren tapir
The Age of Tech human federation would crush the imperium of the 41 millennium without problem, it may had a harsher time with the 30K millennium imperium
barren tapir
Technically the SoB have better training than your average Guardsman when it com...
It vary widely from regiment to regiment, and from planet to planet
final spruce
But its more like they get more practise
Nah, SoB get special force training from childhood, the kind that even before fall Cadia doesn't barely get because of how many people there are to train
barren tapir
Like, cadians were know to be great shooters, while people from a feudal world would hardly use a lasgun
barren tapir
Nah, SoB get special force training from childhood, the kind that even before fa...
Cadians were trained in warfare before they even learned how to write
final spruce
Read what i wrote above
barren tapir
And while the schola prigenium teach martial things, it also teach the imperial creed, taking away time from martial training... I know it is a stratch, but catachan is an example of what IG could be, and a catachan, by simply surviving, would be better trained by a SoB
barren tapir
Read what i wrote above
I did, my point still stand
final spruce
Its not like the Imperial Creed is mandatory everywhere
barren tapir
SoB are more focused on their role, as you said earlier, but for training they are similar to scions, but we also know that some regiments are near the scions training, like the terrax guard, which is similar to an entire regiment of commissars
barren tapir
Its not like the Imperial Creed is mandatory everywhere
For schola progenium run by the ecclesiarchy, which are the majority, yes
final spruce
The Schola is definitly not run by the Ecclesiarchy
barren tapir
Cadian kasrkin had their training facilities only for them, and each tempestus scions regiment had theirs too, schola progenenium is also one source of recruits for both scions and SoB
final spruce
It's part of the Ministorum
barren tapir
Ministrorum and ecclesiarchy are the same thing, and while the schola is part of the administratum IIRC, or maybe the munitorum, it is run by the ecclesiarchy
final spruce
I'm just saying the Schola is literally the equivalent of officer school, which means people in there will receive better training than most, especially since there are fewer students which usually means better training
Which is why they can get deeper into training and do different training branches depending of your personnality
Or talents
barren tapir
Well, that is not the schola progenium
Cadia had its own officer's school, the schola progeium are accademies that train orphans of important people that died
final spruce
YeTheir job isn't to train in their future jobs yes, but they discover which ones are better fitted for each role
barren tapir
Any world with a bit of martial tradition would have their own military school
final spruce
But like I said,there is a difference between standard miltiary school and an officer one
barren tapir
Schola progenium give a basic training, which may or may be not better than most of imperial worlds
final spruce
Especially when the "officer" school is going to train special units
barren tapir
Each world would have its own officer's school, if such world has a military tradition, since the officers of the regiments are from that world too
final spruce
The Lexicanum page you linked literally says the Progena are traiend so they can join the most rigorous parts of the Imperium
barren tapir
A progena can even become a scribe
barren tapir
The Lexicanum page you linked literally says the Progena are traiend so they can...
Rigorous dedication to the imperium
Progena are often earmarked for roles that call for the most rigorous dedication to the Imperium
final spruce
Exactly, and apart from the Imperial navy, most roles shown there are elite ones
And even so an Imperial navy officer is still someone that needs to be highly competent in his field
barren tapir
Never said that they weren't trained to a good standard, i said that saying that it is always better than what IG could have is wrong
As many regiments have scions equivalent in them, like the grenadiers from krieg
In fact, what make a female progena being sent to the SoB isn't being a great fighter, but being extremely zealous
The order of the SoB will handle the necessary training, which isn't as varied as the IG
final spruce
I know about the sister part and the last part was essentially what I said yesterday
barren tapir
I mean, SoB are amazing defenders when you tell them to defend a church, but aren't really good at infiltration
final spruce
While guardsmen being are more trained in the discipline category
barren tapir
I acknowledge you defending the IG yesterday, and i said so
And all this discussion happened just because i'm growing tired of people thinking that the IG is incompetent and that anyone else is better than it
knotty cove
im sorry i cant hear you over space marines stealing our glory
final spruce
Stop that
barren tapir
What? The emperor's spears or defending the IG?
final spruce
Stop mocking the IG
barren tapir
I'm not mocking it
knotty cove
i think zher's talking to me
atomic pelican
I am
knotty cove
o no
barren tapir
Ah, on that Commissar Moth can count on my support
final spruce
💢
knotty cove
death
final spruce
knotty cove
also hey im trayzn
rotund siren
Support the commissar! DEATH OR GLORY! FOR THE EMPRAH!!!!!
knotty cove
ye
atomic pelican
"Space Skeletons"
rotund siren
oof, burns from the moth
plucky moth
gray trellis
Minotaurs?
oh wow, i didnt knew they had shields and spears
open marsh
oh wow, i didnt knew they had shields and spears
Rules wise. only Moloc gets the spear/shield combo, I think
gray trellis
damn
open marsh
That spear is a pre-Unification Wars archeotech too
Possibly a prototype Guardian Spear, the weapon the Guardian Spears were modeled after, or just a really old knock off
open marsh
Cyberpunk 2077
final spruce
Nice hairdo
barren tapir
The Orlocks got new blood
Not impressed it seems
Interesting
All those are from:
odd sparrow
Ooh I quite like those actually
They stronk but also refreshingly proportioned. Plus I adore the universal unimpressed expression
gray trellis
Pretty much inspired by it. Living embodiment of the law with the authority to j...
yea, and i like how they got represented in the TTS series: Grand Provost Marshal: "I think we should not only outlaw laxatives, we should also get a new shipment of prune cakes"
barren tapir
They stronk but also refreshingly proportioned. Plus I adore the universal unimp...
They are also all females... And not escher... Which is quite amazing
atomic pelican
I do be liking necromunda models
gray trellis
and in the "day of boy": If someone walks funny or looks at the arbito or eats burg wrong, or says "life could be improvesd" they just scream: "ATTENTION CITIZEN...DIE" and the entire block is explode"
atomic pelican
Esp Orlocks
gray trellis
its more judge dredd
u right
thick shadow
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/3AQdgmbHd5QkgujB....
Is that a "Muscled Woman"?!
thick shadow
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/di9MkoWKFOgrQ4G9....
I SIMP
thick shadow
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/4DVtkQUy4JKMcauN....
I SIMP
So, GW just has something with the sisters... bastards...
barren tapir
Yes they are buff women... And it is not even too much heretic to simp for them as they are human... I think it can be called a win-win situation
final spruce
Good
barren tapir
But more than that, it is a good thing because GW seems to be going forward a balanced representation of both men and women when they aren't necessarily compelled to do so, like with escher being only women... No, we now have mixed gender factions where we can see both genders equally represented...
final spruce
Stop saying that or you'll make me believe the time they rework the Infantry box we'll get female heads
thick shadow
And I SURPRISED that GW now can sculpt a woman/women!
final spruce
I mean sisters are a thing
Also the first edition had women sculpts but they were more like slaves etc
prisma lark
I just hope we never seen female Goliaths lol