Its more Pri and Arch isnt it
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
open marsh
High Gothic isnt directly latin. Its pseudolatin
open marsh
Yes
plush mason
pseudolatin means fake latin in latin lol
open marsh
Thats exactly how high gothic works. Its literally some cool latin-y words (with occasional actual latin)
plush mason
like riekspieal is what you call pseudogerman
open marsh
Fun fact:
Subcommander Torchstar, of the Farsight Enclaves, has fire tattoos
She is such a pyromanic
‘I have gathered you here because I trust you,’ said Commander Farsight from
the command throne in their midst. ‘I trust your vision, I trust you to fight, and more, I trust you to speak freely.’```Impossible, how could a person named Torchstar be a pyromaniac?
open marsh
Its the pilot. He is basically a Tau version of a dreadnought
open marsh
Just realized, this guy's helmet looks almost like a Thunder Warrior helmet. Nice little easter egg.
I know he isnt a Thunder Warrior. But his armour was made to resemble Thunder Warrior armour
final spruce
I don't think it has a link to thunder warriors, more like the historical one
open marsh
Porpole
open marsh
I don't think it has a link to thunder warriors, more like the historical one
Not a link, just an easter egg in design
final spruce
I wouldn't call that an easter egg just because the TW helmet looks like a medieval helmet
final spruce
Well yes because clearly this is a thunder warrior easter egg
open marsh
Whatever dude
storm jungle
I dunno dude
that thing looks like a missile disguised as a helmet to me
👀
also jesus christ 40k loves knot-tops
open marsh
Aw yiss
final spruce
I mean knot tops were associated with helmets for warriors, no wonder GW loves them
In the Grimderp future there is only war after all
eternal ledge
So I know that Tyrranids work microscopically as well as macroscopically to devour worlds. In theory (this is an idea I have for a Wrath and Glory game) could a Genestealer cult release like a microscopic Tyrranid contagion (virus, bacterial, super small nids) to start devouring a planets populus and sow chaos before a hive fleets arrival?
final spruce
That's whats great with 40k you can invent anything
I mean, it sounds like its possible
But that's something that would be quarantined
vagrant osprey
TBH, that'd probably get Nurgle involved.
final spruce
Not really ?
vagrant osprey
Microscopic nids are mindless, so they don't have the protection of the hivemind
final spruce
Because if its tyranids you can expect like little parasites
vagrant osprey
The only protection they get is from the shadow in the warp cast by the hivemind, which only occurs when the fleet is there. Genestealers aren't psychically strong enough for it.
The micronids would fall to chaos, is the problem.
final spruce
Genestealers and Lictors etc have their own link since they are meant to act independantly
Why would they fall to chaos ?
primal tide
Yeah, the patriarch is wholly separate
Do we have any examples of a chaos genestealer patriarch or sth?
final spruce
We have examples of GSC attacking CSM but not Chaos genestealers
atomic pelican
Iirc there was one example of purestrains being sucked into the warp and being transmuted by nurgle
barren tapir
There is that GSC that worship nurgle
final spruce
Actually , now that I think of it, I see now why a parasite like tyranid like the Thaw wouldn't work or atleast alone
Its mindless so its easier to contain and it would indicate to people that know about xenos that it would be an herald to a tyranid invasion
vagrant osprey
Yep
Also, a GSC is like a mini-hivemind. It can protect itself, but only itself. It doesn't cast a shadow in the warp, so it can't protect non-members.
final spruce
However I'd see it work well during an invasion, would make things harder to protect and it would condemn people trying to bunker
vagrant osprey
Possibly, but it's not a common tactic for nids. They fight with themselves to determine who is the strongest, with only the most lethal configurations being kept. Since nids are extremely resistant to microbes, they're unlikely to actually see much use.
This does result in plotholes, since the elimination of the idea of nids having slave species by rolling them up into being different bioforms of nic means that genestealers are now an oddball that makes no sense.
primal tide
I think it still makes sense
vagrant osprey
How, exactly, is a genestealer going to infiltrate another Tyranid hivemind? :V
primal tide
I wouldn't expect it to
final spruce
Why would they do that ?
vagrant osprey
They can't infest nids. Explicitly.
primal tide
Does that happen?
final spruce
Nono, what I meant is that Genestalers's role in the Tyranid army makes sense
vagrant osprey
Nids value bioforms by how effective they are against nids.
knotty cove
Er.
vagrant osprey
That's the lore change that makes things problematic.
final spruce
Really I thought the nids evolved against what they fought
knotty cove
This hive mind recognizes that genestealers make it a lot easier to get to their prey.
vagrant osprey
Nids fight themselves to refine themselves.
And genestealers appeared long before the hive fleets.
knotty cove
Hive fleets do fight one another, this is true, but that is so that the hive fleets can absorb one anothers' traits.
Yes.
Tyranids may have been around since about M30.
barren tapir
There is a hive fleet that munch the others, but it is to get their mutation in the greater nids fleet
knotty cove
^
primal tide
So how does the narvhal reach it's most effective configuration then, given its main use is not at all combat related?
barren tapir
Otherwise nids tend to avoid themself
final spruce
Because it means sharing the food
knotty cove
Zher, the hive fleets aren't controlled by instinct.
barren tapir
Not if they are connected to the hive mind
knotty cove
I do not believe there ever has nor ever will be a hive fleet that's severed.
final spruce
I know, that's why the Hivemind would not make the fleets meet
barren tapir
It is also true that the nids evolve by what they fight, not by fighting themself
final spruce
Because they are most useful dispersed to absorb the maximum of ressources
barren tapir
Right... Tanna Sir?
final spruce
I never heard the infighting one before today
I knew about the absorb thing but not the infighting
knotty cove
It isn't really infighting. It's "I want these two traits to be in the same hive fleet. Fight."
barren tapir
I never heard the infighting one before today
It was a late fleet, which its duty to get all the useful mutation developed by all the hive fleets in a single gene pool
knotty cove
Are you talking about Kronos?
final spruce
By infighting I mean the tyranids of the same fleet fighting themselves
knotty cove
Er.
final spruce
You know like fighting INSIDE
barren tapir
It is what Pseudo said
final spruce
Yeah
barren tapir
Or at least what he said could be interpreted as that
final spruce
I mean he litteraly said tyranids evolve by fighting other tyranids
knotty cove
Possibly, but it's not a common tactic for nids. They fight with themselves to d...
Are you talking about the points around this message?
knotty cove
I mean he litteraly said tyranids evolve by fighting other tyranids
They evolve by fighting everything.
barren tapir
Nids value bioforms by how effective they are *against nids*.
Also by this
knotty cove
Also by this
Yeah. Hive fleet don't fight themselves, and that's just... what?
(me saying what is in response to what you quoted, not your message)
barren tapir
That is exactly what i and Commissar Moth were saying
barren tapir
Yup... Anyone want some Tanna?
knotty cove
I'm too busy overrunning a fortress world for biomass.
final spruce
Tanna ?
knotty cove
Later?
barren tapir
Tanna ?
Valhallan tea
Jurgen always have a cup of it for CIA-CIA-CIAPAS CAIN HEEERO OF THE IMPERIUM!
final spruce
Sounds better than recaf
storm jungle
🐛
barren tapir
I would say that its name is strictly connected to that yes
Also it seems to have a quite strong taste, i bet even quite bitter
primal tide
For a limited time this fall make sure to get your herbed gourd recaff latte at adeptus astarbuckes
Maybe it's grape tea
finite roost
only water
crisp heath
Or an Aldi?
primal tide
Rogue Trader Joe's
potent swift
Everything's whole foods when your Tyranids
primal tide
It's just page after page of directions for making rations
Just mushrooms
No biggie
potent swift
I always enjoyed it when Gaunt's Ghosts veered into logistics every once in a while, like in Traitor General where they show how Chaos drains oceans and uses fast growing xenocorn that devastates the environment to actually feed and water everyone.
primal tide
Potatos are filled with the light of the emporer, they are anathema to a chaos diet
potent swift
If you can't construct a bulwark out of interwoven french fries with mashed potato cement, are you really trying?
primal tide
Load bearing poutine
dull flame
"With a grim finality, Inquisitor Kryptman ordered that a galactic cordon be established. His plan was that a band of worlds should be evacuated across the path of Leviathan’s main advance, with many of them razed to the ground in order to deny the hive fleet any further raw materials for its ships. This would slow its advance long enough for Battlefleets Solar and Tempestus to muster. Any worlds already under invasion within the bounds of this cordon were to undergo Exterminatus just at the point when the Tyranids descended to feed upon the doomed populace. Kryptman theorised that, using this method, the swarms would expend great resource to claim a world, only to have every living thing upon it reduced to ash by barrages of cyclonic torpedoes and virus bombs. With one stark and callous decision, Kryptman had condemned billions of souls to extermination. To this day, it remains the single largest act of genocide ever inflicted upon the Imperium by its own forces since the Horus Heresy."
Put too many planets in the deep fryer.
primal tide
World eaters stomachs are growling
vagrant osprey
I always enjoyed it when Gaunt's Ghosts veered into logistics every once in a wh...
See, the Imperium is better because it pumps the oceans full of toxic sludge that causes everybody exposed to mutate horribly and die, and it uses ordinary terran corn. So the planets are more polluted and terrible, but it's ok because no xenos crops are involved!
storm jungle
so what you're telling me is High Lord Alex Jones was telling the truth with chaos poisoning our water supplies?
vagrant osprey
No, chaos STEALS our water supplies. The Imperium poisons them
storm jungle
DAMN IT
potent swift
I mean, Chaos steals water by basically having a daemon suck it into the warp and then spit it out somewhere else so that water's probably extra funky when all is said and done.
rotund siren
THE IMPERIUM IS TURNING THE FROGS GAY?
vagrant osprey
No, that's Slaanesh
primal tide
Slaanesh is kissing the frogs and turning them into princes
rotund siren
oh that is nice
storm jungle
THE IMPERIUM IS TURNING THE FROGS GAY?
IS THAT HOW THE OLD ONES DIED
vagrant osprey
And it's mostly the Catachan barking toad, so everybody's ok with sorta looking the other way and pretending not to notice.
potent swift
IS THAT HOW THE OLD ONES DIED
Mazdamundi x Kroak OTP
storm jungle
NooooOOOO
primal tide
Slannesh
placid timber
I actually once used the lizard daddy artwork of lizardmen named characters to get a friend into WHFB lore
rotund siren
that is quite the tale. I'm impressed, but also not really surprised
prime tide
rotund siren
there's definitely no way, no how, that you're fantastic pfp has been turned gay by The Chemical™️?
it's so impossible, uhuh?
crisp heath
Is There any known Technologie that whould allow to travel to another Galaxie?
Looks Like the spacebugs are able to do it, but i never read abbout Something Like this from one of the Other factions
open marsh
Some rogue traders have tried it, none have returned
crisp heath
With normal warpdrives?
open marsh
i guess
But as far as we know, there is no tech in the galaxy that would allow us to travel outside of the galaxy
crisp heath
Hm ok. Ty
quiet mirage
Can you block a light saber with a powersword
plush mason
well a lightsaber is pure protostar plasma in a elctromagnetic field so maybe?
if the blades toutch the lightsaber will cut it right in half
open marsh
Can you block a light saber with a powersword
Yes
Power swords are swords covered in essentially a force field. There were even DAoT power swords that had no physical blade. And there are plasma-based lightsabers in 40k as well
odd sparrow
Ask the author of whatever 40k SW crossover ff you wanna read
crisp heath
I whould say that depends on the Kind of Energie weapon. There once that have a Solid Core May Break. But Others Like eisenhorns Powersword use pure Energie sooo....
open marsh
But yeah, 40k has lightsabers
Sollex-Aegis Energy Blade
The weapon is an product of information obtained from the Aegis Data Fragments and utilising the properties of the Sollex focusing crystals, this is one of the rarest type of weapons in the Imperium, a blade of coherent high-energy plasma which materialises from the armored hilt as a blazing, roaring column of blue-white fire.
And from what we know of power swords in genera, it would be able to hold up against a lightsaber
odd sparrow
Hella apparently weaker weapons in SW can cross with a lightsaber, even non powered ones, so it would make sense
fallen dove
if i remember vibro blades could deflect lightsabers and those are common weapons. Beskar of mandolorians deflected lightsabers as well and there were hundreds of thousands at their peak
crisp heath
In General i dont Like the Idea of Energie weapons. There is Always the questions of how to Power Something Like this with a devive small enough to fit inside a swordhandle. And Most of the time there is No good answer to that. It Just works.
distant harness
scifi that refuses to just be "it just works" sometimes is boring tbh
open marsh
I mean, 40k uses the "it just works" thing. Its a sword with a forcefield over the blade. How is it powered? How does it make the field field? Feth if I know. Its just awesome. Now lets go kill stuff
Take chainswords. some sources mention they are fueled by promethum (aka gas powered), where is the fuel tank? Where are its pistons? Where is its engine?
Who cares? Its a chainsaw sword, RIP & TEAR
crisp heath
probably miniaturized inside the blade and hilt
plush mason
if i remember vibro blades could deflect lightsabers and those are common weapon...
only the most expisive vibroblades can do that
crisp heath
you have power armour and shit. a mini chainsaw engine is not so fucking unfeasible
plush mason
only made with the hardist metels and the most advanced crafting
and even then most of them will not hold up long
open marsh
you have power armour and shit. a mini chainsaw engine is not so fucking unfeasi...
Yeah, but one that has enough fuel to do what chainswords do, for as long as they do. Needs a fuel tank
crisp heath
It could use Energie sucked Out of the Warp or Some stuff Like that. 🤷♂️ whatever doesnt realy matter
open marsh
you have power armour and shit. a mini chainsaw engine is not so fucking unfeasi...
Atleast most power armour models have visible, external power packs
plush mason
Yeah, but one that has enough fuel to do what chainswords do, for as long as the...
its pros in the big ass guard/handle and or pommle
odd sparrow
I mean, just say it's an extremely efficient fuel source or whatever. There are harder things to justify in the setting
plush mason
same with the power swords generator
odd sparrow
Smthn smthn daot technology
plush mason
Smthn smthn daot technology
exactly
open marsh
same with the power swords generator
Thats kinda explained. In Eisenhorn. He mentions the power cell of the sword is in the handle. Like a lightsabers XD
odd sparrow
Given that as far as GW is concerned there's basically no upper limit for DaoT stuff. So it's the ultimate technobabble excuse
plush mason
@open marsh also chainswords do have very small exust ducts
open marsh
Given that as far as GW is concerned there's basically no upper limit for DaoT s...
Which is why I found that, as far as we have seen, power armour tech was inferior in the DAoT. Normally DAoT = best stuff you can get. But anytime we see DAoT power armour, its objectively worse than Astartes armour
crisp heath
Another question. U think the "old Imperium" (pre-heresy) whould have Been strong enough to realy damage the tyranids? At the Moment i feel Like they are a way to big force for any Other faction to handle them. Even If they Put down the usual fighting and Work together its Not much they can do
plush mason
at the back of the guard
open marsh
Another question. U think the "old Imperium" (pre-heresy) whould have Been stron...
Yeah, they would
plush mason
the great crusade era imperium had millions of space marines
open marsh
<@!237268583149731840> also chainswords do have very small exust ducts
I also kind of figure that it depends on the pattern. I would expect some of them have electric motors
odd sparrow
With how the nids are written we kinda have zero idea how many hive fleets there actually are
Which is obvs by design, it's the [vague cosmic unknowable threat], but it means that it's kinda impossible to know how they size up to everyone else
crisp heath
the great crusade era had like 100-150k marines per legion
they would've dickslapped the nids probably
primal tide
Some rogue traders have tried it, none have returned
i like to imagine its because they ended up in some noblebright galaxy and just dont wanna come back
open marsh
Probably got nommed by nids
distant harness
nids are written pretty much completely into a corner that way, can't really flesh them out as a threat past "another hive fleet arrived" without breaking the galaxy or making them irrelevant
storm jungle
Yeah the tyranids are never gonna arrive in full force until the universe itself stops making money and GW scraps it
primal tide
theyre already weird in-universe because theyre supposed to be wildly different from one encounter to the next and constantly evolving but this only happens at the rate they get new models vs the amount of time that passes in canon
storm jungle
OH YEAH THIS TOO
primal tide
😛
storm jungle
Like realistically speaking in-universe as chapin says they should literally have like 1000+ bioforms for literally every situation imaginable.
But they got like what, 34 special units or so lol
And whenever they are about to get "new biomass" someone foils their plans hooray
primal tide
rejoice battlebrother, we blueballsed the nids again and staved off another tyranid codex release
primal tide
yeah
40k end times theyll unlock the nids power limiter and drop a codex and model line with 100 new models as they consume the whole galaxy and actually flex their shit
until then they will be an ever changing army that doesnt change
storm jungle
I was avoiding bringing up the end times again but yeah thats literally gonna be the only time the nids arrive in full force lol
primal tide
i wouldnt even be mad lol
storm jungle
me neither
primal tide
gw has shown it gets better the second time around anyway
primal tide
astartes butter sauce
open marsh
40k end times theyll unlock the nids power limiter and drop a codex and model li...
Well according to most sources, 40k has already been through the End Times. It culminated in the fall of Cadia. It was known as the "Time of Ending"
primal tide
im not sure those sources know what the word end means
odd sparrow
Lol yep
storm jungle
lol yeah
open marsh
primal tide
"Time of Ending was followed by the Age of the Dark Imperium"
thonk
open marsh
Look on the plus side. It didnt turn into 40k's AoS (early lore)
storm jungle
For now
primal tide
eh, early lore always precedes developed lore
open marsh
Plus, if you thonk about it, the galaxy had already been through the end times: Old Night
storm jungle
Yeah but the Times didnt End!
open marsh
They have. The last psychic awakening book ends with a magos reporting that the squats have returned
Plus they are in necromunda
primal tide
not good enough
also i was joking lol
more dwarves is always better tho
still, if its not a new continuity its not actually end times
open marsh
It was an end times, just not the same way it happened in fantasy. 40k as we know it changed hard. Its why oldhammer fans were so upset
Guilliman's return, the Primaris happened, etc
primal tide
that being said, now that theyve already some time period the time of ending, they need to name the actual end times "The Time of Ending, We Swear This Time"
atomic pelican
https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-care-about-them-bricky-dont-care-whatever-dont-mind-them-gif-17818512
atomic pelican
In the far far future when 40k is a dying series
primal tide
"wait its all end times?"
"always has been"
atomic pelican
and they actually have to revive it in some way
odd sparrow
yep pretty much
storm jungle
Im gonna pray i love that long to see it
atomic pelican
AA
odd sparrow
pain
primal tide
odd sparrow
monopoly.jpeg
storm jungle
NOOOOOOO
primal tide
"lets reboot this without the racism" says the mouse
and so it was
happyhammer 40k
atomic pelican
The Mouse Commands, and we Obey
odd sparrow
Vulkan becomes the new emperor
crisp heath
I hope i dont live to see that
primal tide
Vulkan becomes the new emperor
im 100% cool with this
odd sparrow
hey who doesn't want to witness slow motion trainwrecks
crisp heath
If i do ill just draw my own warhammer
open marsh
Personally. i find 40k's "Time of Ending" fascinating. Its like the whole "Omg the end times! Everything is going to die and get reset and whatever" but then the galaxy manages to hit the brakes and just barely dodge it.
Its a refreshing change of pace for things. Instead of the apocolypse that was telegraphed for decades, the galaxy managed to NOPE at the last moment
crisp heath
I feel like wh40k actually needs to up the ante with the grimness of its depictions
odd sparrow
hell no
crisp heath
Not grimderp
odd sparrow
not with the writer's idea of- yeah that
crisp heath
But actually being like. In depth and gritty and putting emphasis on that.
Thats why i really dont like some new models like the sm buggy
primal tide
i still like the idea of one side of the cicatrix continuing to get grimmer while the other side gets a bit more comfy
crisp heath
It's so stupid
odd sparrow
yeah a lot of the new primaris stuff does kinda look weirdly like. clean and wacky and not gothic
they have rectified that a little with some of the models but still
atomic pelican
I do love that lil primaris tank's like, space marine head that pops out the top
it's so funny
primal tide
imagine if the far side of the galaxy stops getting new primaris armor so they have to make their own and it comes out even more gothic looking tho
id like to see that
crisp heath
When imperium is best as industrial+totalitarian gothic/baroque/neoclassical
storm jungle
One of the greatest reasons i hate the primaris vehicles
crisp heath
If you nerd out over buildings and clothes like me u know what i mean
storm jungle
its all because "lol Cawl tech"
when anti-grav stuff for example was really rare and in like 1-2 marine vehicles
crisp heath
Primaris buggy looks like boring generic scifi
crisp heath
At least give it like. Shoe box panzer aesthetics
open marsh
yeah a lot of the new primaris stuff does kinda look weirdly like. clean and wac...
To be fair, alot of Horus Heresy stuff was the same way. Primaris armour is pretty much MkIV 2.0
atomic pelican
Spesh Mahren cart racers
odd sparrow
yea but at least HH has the excuse of being all like, bright human future that never was ish vibes
crisp heath
I should try to redesign some stuff
odd sparrow
i get they're kinda doing the whole imperium kinda getting its shit together vibe with primaris but idk
crisp heath
After exams tho.
odd sparrow
man i love SoB stuff
odd sparrow
absolutely
storm jungle
crisp heath
I like the blood angels for their aesthetic contributions too
open marsh
Spesh Mahren cart racers
Got the release of primaris bikes was cringe inducing if you have even a basic understanding of vehicles:
"Low riding, all terrain"
those two things do not go together
odd sparrow
to be fair that's been an issue forever
crisp heath
Yeah
odd sparrow
marine bikes make zero sense
b u t i guess they are kinda distinct aesthetically so i get why they kept it
crisp heath
They're way too chonky
open marsh
The genestealers have the best bikes
odd sparrow
I like that they're chonky, it's a good design
open marsh
atomic pelican
Correct
storm jungle
YEEEE
atomic pelican
Genestealers have the best vehicles.
storm jungle
JEAN-BOYZ RISE UP
odd sparrow
that notably wouldn't function on anything that isn't flat ass tarmac
hell yea
I love the GSC vehicles in general
atomic pelican
I love the rockgrinders
open marsh
I just realized
crisp heath
Those are some right proper dirtbikes
atomic pelican
industrial revolution aesthetic go brrr
open marsh
That one genestealer has the ogryn's shotgun
odd sparrow
they look like. actually practical and reasonable. cus they're meant to be basic ass worker's equipment
atomic pelican
yesss
open marsh
odd sparrow
it's kinda just the ubiquitous grenade launcher-ish design
atomic pelican
Also the jackal alphus 👀
storm jungle
Also the jackal alphus 👀
odd sparrow
sTOP
storm jungle
👀
storm jungle
open marsh
it's kinda just the ubiquitous grenade launcher-ish design
Yeah but its a shotgun. Jackels dont have grenade launcher rules
crisp heath
Gsc have such well made models. I am just so turned off by themand nids as a faction tho
odd sparrow
I do have a friend who's super into nids and cults. Nids def aren't my thing but GSC kinda appeal to me
crisp heath
My best buddy plays nids
odd sparrow
the whole practical death to the oppressors vibe is really nice
atomic pelican
Yuss
crisp heath
My second best buddy plays tau
crisp heath
I really dislike both lol
atomic pelican
Yeah GSC have more personality than nids
odd sparrow
You have offended the blueberry cadre
crisp heath
Idc
odd sparrow
I miss my sept...
crisp heath
Helmets.
storm jungle
PLASMA
odd sparrow
plasma is v hot
crisp heath
No space wolves here. We wear those things.
odd sparrow
helmets dont like being that hot
odd sparrow
deathwatch are def my fav space marine kits
i love the weird letter pauldrons and stuff
It's a fantastic aesthetic
placid timber
I decided to make my space marine army DW since i count decide on one specific chapter
odd sparrow
plus looks pretty fun to paint tbh
crisp heath
i love the forgeworld BA but they are expensive
placid timber
Super easy to make look good btw
placid timber
Base coat black and drybrush with dawnstone
odd sparrow
yea it looks just like a real easy drybrushing job
placid timber
Dry brush the left arm with leadbelcher or whatever silver you want
primal tide
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f35fb770-7717-41ec-a9d...
oh boy i step out for two seconds and what do i miss? 🍑
storm jungle
👀
atomic pelican
Thicc GSC discussion
primal tide
you guys are lame
odd sparrow
Correct but besides the point
crisp heath
I do the silver arm as darker silver, drybrush lighter silver, nuln oil and then the other sepia wash
Rust looks
primal tide
that is fuckin
crisp heath
open marsh
Hmmm....If we are inqusitorial acolytes. We could get access to xenos weapons
Tau weapon DLC in the future?
crisp heath
This mf is ANGERY
open marsh
he angy
crisp heath
And COVERED IN BLOOD
open marsh
needs bath
open marsh
stimky
crisp heath
They hosed him down in front of the command tent but he ran away midway to kill more xenos
primal tide
after hissing
crisp heath
And shouting "blood for sanguinius"
open marsh
Deathwatch chapter serfs. Hmmm
ashen zenith
is the whole "the empire could wipe out the tau if they wanted but they are so insignificant they dont" thing still correct in modern fluff?
odd sparrow
Less cus they're so insignificant and more they're not significant enough to justify pumping resources into a drawn out war when there are other more existential threats nearby, especially given that the Tau have been able to battle previous invasions to a standstill
but yeah if the imperium was able to somehow levy a lot of its resources onto the tau, which is can't for a number of reasons, the tau empire is uhh
it varies per source but less than a thousand-ish planets, some stuff goes as low as a few dozen, meanwhile the imperium is most of the galaxy
distant harness
to be fair the major invasions they fought to a standstill were super super dumb
like they won the orbital battle and then just did nothing with that
they had titans getting attacked by airships despite the imperium having a decent airforce, and there being space marine pilots clearly available
odd sparrow
I don't hold my breath for the like, battle centric 40k stuff for that reason
distant harness
Ya, the smaller fights can be cool but 40k suffers in big battles that aren't just "shoot dudes"
or defending forts I guess, lots of factions are dumb enough or stubborn enough that just ends up being "shoot dudes from a wall" anyway
odd sparrow
ye. Like, the planetary-ish scale stuff usually comes off as weird, shallow and nonsensical
distant harness
absolutely, like how were the manta ships even able to launch when the imperium has orbital superiority? who splits their forces into three groups with no support for no real reason?
just makes all the involved factions look bad
ashen zenith
well i imagine most writers dont have a lot of uh
tactical knowledge to properly think out that kinnda stuff and just rush it
atomic pelican
Cool Gun go Shoot
scenic bolt
with how fast and lose the inquisition plays with exterminatus on imperial worlds, one'd have to wonder why the imperium just doesnt make exterminatus an opening move against their enemies
atomic pelican
Probs bexause enemy worlds often would have some kind of orbital protection. Plus I dont think exterminatud is rlly that common
distant harness
I agree they don't have a lot of knowledge, but there's still a limit to that lol
and yeah exterminatus is a lot bigger deal than it's usually made out to be
scenic bolt
it'd be a stale setting where the only real strategy is bumrush planet crackers at each other
distant harness
Conclaves can punish each other, and there's a whole ordo dedicated to tracking use of exterminatus
would not be surprised if conclaves generally made people explain why they just wiped out a whole planet
ashen zenith
i imagine for exterminatus you need to be able to comfortably have many ships orbiting a planet
scenic bolt
havent found any numbers on how many worlds kryptman gutted
ashen zenith
so probably not ideal if they are shooting back
scenic bolt
I guess I was thinking more along the line of cyclonic torpedoes rather than just parking a fleet above a world and glassing it the old fashion way
ashen zenith
maybe they just consider taking over a planet and its resources a more important objective than just killing the enemies
primal tide
ye. Like, the planetary-ish scale stuff usually comes off as weird, shallow and ...
I'm late to the party (as usual) but I think it's just cuz 40k by and large doesn't care a lot about void warfare; it's all a pretext for dude shoot dude and dude stab dude. Even tho the logic falls apart pretty easily imo, almost all 40k battles revolve around fights on the ground, and everything else is secondary to that
It makes sense when the lore is seen as just window dressing for a tabletop game, but on its own its derpy
odd sparrow
bolter porn tl;dr
primal tide
I guess I'm probably just stating the obvious here tho 😅
odd sparrow
tbh the fluff surrounding battlefleet gothic is shockingly perceptive with that stuff. Like, with void combat occurring over astronomical distances, as it really should lol
i remember the uh one of phil kelly's farsight things being pretty good for that too, p sure he was just pulling everything frm BFG but still. Apparently 40k space combat is more convincing than anything planetside
primal tide
Haha well, yeah at the end of the day it's true that it's up to the author, some will be more motivated to make more sense of it
Not surprised bfg does it right, seems everything about that game is quality
Wish I was more into that kind of game
😩
odd sparrow
i've never played it tabletop, it does look highkey complicated from the stuff i've seen
primal tide
Yeah, same
I think out of all of the tabletop stuff killteam would probably be my speed
Something not too complicated or with too many things going on at once
And where I won't feel like I'm making no progress if I take a few weeks of on and off painting a single model lol
ashen zenith
is there a tabletop wh40k game you can play without having to invest 100s of dollars?
odd sparrow
That's killteam. tl;dr small scale 40k with like a dozen-ish infantry models, or less depending on army
plus if you ever do go into proper 40k from that, it uses the same models so
primal tide
Yeah, you pretty much build a small squad of dudes instead of having to have an army
I know you said 40k but also there's a version for age of sigmar but the name escapes me
Warcry
That's it
final spruce
Well Warcry has its own warbands but they have released rules for normal armies to partake in
summer niche
it'd be a stale setting where the only real strategy is bumrush planet crackers ...
Amusingly battletech started out like that and then evolved into mechwarriors and warfare rules because too many civilians died and too many planets left as irritated wastelands
distant harness
Warcry does have its own warbands, but aren't a few just standard models, or really close to them?
Dunno why you'd use standard models when there's such cool ones available though
final spruce
A warband in Warcry is around 10-12 characters with their own asthetics, their own rules etc
crisp heath
If you play a high cost per model killteam you can do with like 5 minis
celest dome
Can't you have like 3 Custodes or something like that ?
open marsh
royal dagger
dat hair cut tho
finite roost
i like to imagine space marine primaris as GEN Z
crisp heath
lmao
finite roost
like imagine
crisp heath
Im not saying youre wrong
finite roost
this old space marine who fought a thausand battles
and primaris is like
ok boomer
open marsh
dat sword tho
This guy knows what's up
rotund siren
yeeeeeaaaaaaaaah!
finite roost
death korps of krieg should have power shovels instead of normal ones
that is the lore now
open marsh
See. The problem with that is: expensive. Kriegers arent worth the cost
open marsh
That's more of a point against because shovel memes are stale
odd sparrow
didn't say i was counterpointing ur argument
odd sparrow
krieg deserved better
primal tide
The planet turned traitor for a while right?
Maybe they deserve being on the receiving end of shitty memes
Big brain
odd sparrow
Yea. it's like, krieg is prosperous, krieg betrays imperium, krieg gets blasted over the course of a couple of centuries until it's a worldwide somme, the planet is then placed under the imperial tithe and teaches its soldiers to be ashamed of their traitorous heritage and die in battle for big e to redeem themselves
also cloning happens at some point
rotund siren
I mean, it's kinda heretical, but only because it's technoheresy
rotund siren
right, but then they wouldn't have hid it from the Ad Mech
last sentinel
Well the ad mech is so big a sect or part of it could have assisted and I wouldn’t de surprised if they knew but turned a blind eye to to krieg being super effective
barren tapir
In the old lore it was stated that krieg got special permission and the tech by the Ad. Mech. to keep up with the numbers... But last piece of lore seems to have retconnected that
last sentinel
I’d say for the sake of krieg that it is still partially true
My real question is is what forgeworld makes all of the krieg equipment because most of it is specializes versions of standard imperial guard stuff
barren tapir
I saw many bits of lore that show how now the Ad. Mech. isn't the only one with tech or that know how to handle it, so it is not impossible that krieg don't have any support from the Ad. Mech.
barren tapir
My real question is is what forgeworld makes all of the krieg equipment because ...
Lucius
rotund siren
could be archaeotech, like the big missiles that were used to push the heretics back way over at the beginning of Krieg's super long war
open marsh
I saw many bits of lore that show how now the Ad. Mech. isn't the only one with ...
Yeah. From what we know, Krieg produces all of its own weapons.
Also as for groups other than admech, there are the Terrawatt clans of Terra (also referred to as artisan barons), House Van Saar of Necromunda, and the Dyzanique
distant harness
A few groups have their own sort of independent ad mech teams too, I'm fairly sure
distant harness
Grey knights have their own forge world I think?
knotty cove
grey knights get shit from mars iirc
distant harness
Nah from Deimos, but they produce some of their weirder stuff themselves
storm jungle
Yeah all custodes stuff is terran made iirc
even their auramite and such, aka just gold but latin
distant harness
Yeah custodes have their own internal tech people, and a bunch of gear that I don't think is really even made at all anymore
Assassins are similar I think?
storm jungle
Yeah assassins are more or so that
like their gear can be produced in some places but obviously its SOLELY made for them in this case
with custodes even the gems on their armor is like seriously intricate stuff
final spruce
Well the thing is that assassins are supposed to be a hidden organisation so getting supplies isn't easy
open marsh
house van saar makes some fucking sick lasguns
Apparently House Escher makes better ones
final spruce
I also saw Custodes armors almost being custom made for its wearer but I am doubting on that one
knotty cove
I like the Van Saar ones better, just for the aesthetic
final spruce
I'd need comfirmation
knotty cove
I mean
If you're gonna be a warrior who lives for tens of thousands of years guarding the only thing keeping humanity together
I'd fucking hope they have armor tailor made for them
distant harness
Custodes stuff is custom made
storm jungle
I'd need comfirmation
Custodian Armour is still fashioned with rare auramite alloy such as that used for the armour the Emperor Himself wore in battle, rather than the standard ceramite used in all other forms of Imperial Power Armour. Each suit is unique to the Custodian who wears it, as it is customised to its user, a suit of master-crafted battle-plate in the Custodes' traditional golden colour, each a work of art in its own right and highly individualised after the fact by its user. Custodian Armour is also fitted with arrays of proximity sensors and Refraction Field generators to further enhance its formidable defences.
knotty cove
Apparently House Escher makes better ones
The Escher ones have a nice aesthetic, I think I'll draw those next
distant harness
Their armor has personal shit written all over it I'm fairly sure
knotty cove
I just finished drawing a Van Saar one a few minutes ago
distant harness
Their different names and accomplishments
storm jungle
Their armor has personal shit written all over it I'm fairly sure
Yeeee!
knotty cove
Some have no room left on their armor, so it's on their skin iirc
distant harness
man you'd think they would just invest in some paper
open marsh
Also on House Van Saar, they are an example of the power of a single functional STC
knotty cove
They've got a whole-ass STC?
open marsh
They have easy access to plasma guns and other high tech weapons. Hardlight shields. Hover boards
distant harness
I think all the custodes stuff that can still be manufactured is pretty much custom made for them actually?
open marsh
and they give them to gangers
distant harness
Bar vehicles maybe
knotty cove
when tf the admech gonna poke that shit
open marsh
I think all the custodes stuff that can still be manufactured is pretty much cus...
Correct
knotty cove
ball
open marsh
i dont know what the hell it is
House Van Saar's house.
storm jungle
I know but like
distant harness
It's me :)
knotty cove
hello, ball
storm jungle
deep undergrouuuuund
open marsh
STC
distant harness
man I don't have any good ball related emotes so I take it back
distant harness
I lied, the ball isn't me
odd sparrow
cute
open marsh
Fluffi ones have lil chub faces
odd sparrow
yea! one sec
they're so cute??
i wanna hug them
not too hard tho they're quite fragile
also this isn't 40k so i'm gonna shoop
open marsh
No hurt spider fren >:c
storm jungle
eternal ledge
Lookit dem big pupper eyes
The 1/3rd of the Luna Wolves and Blood Angles on Murder would disagree
open marsh
odd sparrow
Spiders are friends not food
open marsh
Im with House Van Saar. Spiders are awesome and fren
eternal ledge
I've played enough Earth Defense Force games to never trust anything with more than 4 legs
open marsh
open marsh
plush mason
EDF=earth defence force?
eternal ledge
Yep
reef hedge
THE EATHER DEFENCE FORCE DESECENDS
eternal ledge
dull flame
EDF! EDF!
open marsh
Spiders are fren, they not xenos. They spider
reef hedge
space spiders xenos tho
open marsh
@odd sparrow Help. They bulli spider frens ; n ;
odd sparrow
they are cowards
eternal ledge
anyone wanna check @open marsh for head ridges?
open marsh
I was replying to Anubis
reef hedge
ahh soz brother
storm jungle
^
potent swift
You cannot escape the spiders. They were here at the beginning and will be here long after the stars go out.
tall fjord
to be fair that'd be kind of interesting
you just have an inquisition experiment on this one planet, tyranids show up
only to get eaten by all the spiders
"we originally had the techpriests making these things so we could use the silk to make new types of body armor, but, this is a way cooler use of them"
"what would happen if these things spread throughout the imperium?"
"that will never happen"
"we've been reinforced by the space marines to clear the rest of the nids out"
"excellent w-WHICH CHAPTER?!"
next week it's all "i didn't know that there were so many spiders in this subsector"
"they were a gift"
primal tide
the tyranids are arriving in our galaxy because theyre running from spiders
open marsh
@odd sparrow
open marsh
New planet: "Haha! We have deadly insects so that you could never survive here!"
Humanity: ".......release the SPIDERS!!!!"
tall fjord
New Planet: We're going to be even WORSE than the last one!
Catachans: Sweet, a vacation planet
New Planet: What the fuck is WRONG with you people?
open marsh
Beside dying of radiation poisoning, it would be pretty cool to be a Van Saar ganger
just hanging out with a giant cyborg spider pet
tall fjord
that tick-tick-tickety of your geiger counter is where the delicious TINGLING comes from
besides, hair isn't that big of a deal anyways
look at the ogryn
he's having an amazing time and you know how much hair he has? NONE!
open marsh
Necromunda has some crazy lore
Like there is a whole gang of Van Saars who may either be clones of a failed Archeotek or even duplicates of the same archeotek drawn from different timelines
tall fjord
you know it occurs to me that theres nothing stopping the ogryn from wearing a wig, i can just imagine him 'acquiring' hair from various sources
after a firefight he just vanishes for abit and then comes back looking like john lennon
"what the fu-"
"don't question it"
"but-"
"you don't wanna know"
tall fjord
when you upload multiples at a time it goes based upon which one finishes uploading first, which is usually the one with the smallest file size
in cases like these you gotta do them one by one individually
tall fjord
you gotta wait for the first one to finish first
open marsh
Still annoying
Also. life even as a worker in House Van Saar is also apparently pretty chill
open marsh
open marsh
They are survivors of the DAoT humanity stuck in 40k
Able to easily produce what the rest of the Imperium considers archeotech
open marsh
The Mechanicus tried
The Van Saar killed them. Covered it up as an accident. And gave the mechanicus a bunch of "archeotech" to shut them up and leave them alone
The awesome part of being survivors of DAoT with a still functional STC is that you can just make "archeotech"
It seems most of it was created by the Men of Stone
Nope
Men of Stone were both the designers and builders. Eventually making the Men of Iron to help them build
Nope
Its not really understood what the Men of Gold were. All we know is that they were more philosophical and able bodied that the Men of Stone.
Probably perpetuals
Oh you edited you message and said that
Anyway what makes me excited about learning that House Van Saar are survivors of the DAoT is that they could be Men of Stone themselves.
Like there is one Van Saar Archeotek who uploaded their consciousness into a computer system
I doubt that. From what we have seen
The Men of Stone were more like the proto-Mechanicus
Kron, a shipman from the short story "Ancient Histories" is heavily implied to be a Man of Stone. Essentially he is an A.I. who lives in cybernetics he puts on others and then hijacks their body
Basically Men of Stone are somewhere between a human, a servitor, and an STC system
primal tide
I've always liked the idea that the 'stone' in men of stone is silicon
Ie they are very cybernetically enhanced or partially computer brained
open marsh
Cool thing about Kron. He managed to make life saving bionics for another shipman. Including a bionic eye with perfect vision, out of scraps he found around the ship. And made them/installed them in the shipman in a mere 5 hours
Also when a mechanicus luminin tried to kill him, he killed it in return and salvaged its electoos and installed them into himself
I think it shows the power of the Men of Stone
able to make technological wonders, beyond the most skilled of Mechanicus artifacers, out of scraps laying around
Read Ancient Histories
Other possible Men of Stone are the Olemic Quietude
Eh. Maybe
distant harness
I doubt it tbh, they're kind of their own offshoot
atomic pelican
Yee Interex were cool. Used drones and werent mega xenophobic
I kinda wish there was a non-imperial human faction that still existed
open marsh
I kinda wish there was a non-imperial human faction that still existed
Thing is, as soon as one is discovered, the Imperium immediately sets off to conquer them. The only one I can think of, in M41, is the Severan Dominate. A rebellous system of worlds that are basically is Ultramar tried to succeed
tall fjord
a non-imperial human faction would only be interesting if there was something unique about them compared to the other factions anyways, and most of what you could do with them that might be interesting is already being done with the tau
atomic pelican
Pretty much
tall fjord
of course, they COULD just expand on the whole concept of the humans which ARE tau loyalists, since they exist in the lore but get next to no actual screentime
atomic pelican
Yee gue'vesa dont rlly get alot of attention
Which is odd since theyre one of the more common auxillaries fluffwise
In terms of civilians at least
tall fjord
in the lore, there actually ARE also still non-imperial human holdouts as well even in the current time, it's just that they, like gue'vesa get next to no screentime (to be fair, as medic stated, they tend not to last long the second literally ANYONE finds them)
atomic pelican
Yee its neat. The first human worlds the Tau converted were actually technically non-imperial human worlds
Like, they were officially imperial. But had been forgotten for so long their culture had pretty much divided
tall fjord
to be fair, alot more worlds would be more willing to join the tau and defect from the imperium if it weren't for some of the more PRESSING threats
chaos for example, most of the tau can't help you a whole lot with them
open marsh
Yeh
Which is something that some Van Saar can do
He is still Cawl, just parts of those he has merged with exist in his subconcious, but he is such an egotistical and willful bastard that they are trapped within his mind
finite roost
I got a serious lore question
Cuz i don't actualy know
Is being gay heresy in the imperium?
atomic pelican
no
atomic pelican
Yeah most like, real world bigotries arent present in the Imperium. They talk abt stories like that thru analogue
odd sparrow
Yeah they don't really touch upon normal non-40k-specific bigotry much
atomic pelican
FETH
storm jungle
no joke lol
odd sparrow
racial bigotry is a thing but lord help u if ur a mutant
storm jungle
GREENSKIN
odd sparrow
i'm not gonna ask what FETH means
atomic pelican
Yeah like most fictions, 40k explores topics like that thru analogy
storm jungle
i'm not gonna ask what FETH means
40k's PG13 equilavent of a "fuck"
its so stupid
say it outloud right now, like... jesus christ
odd sparrow
oh god i remember that now
star wars does the same thing and i kinda die a little inside every time
finite roost
Dead inside is my normal state so it does not bother me
odd sparrow
lmao yeah but no
storm jungle
i refuse to believe "fuck" wouldnt survive to the M41
odd sparrow
gotta make up our own weird fuck equivalent instead
fuck is forbidden
i guess it's immersion breaking?? idk
finite roost
i refuse to believe "fuck" wouldnt survive to the M41
At least middle finger still exists
atomic pelican
Emperor said no cussing in his atheist turbofascism
odd sparrow
Plus hey like, all language stuff is kinda ambiguous anyways
finite roost
Maybe in gothic there is no "fuck"
odd sparrow
i interpret it as being all they're probs speaking some weird low gothic bastardisation of a bastardisation of a bastardisation of a local sector wide language of a- etc, but we're correcting it to english cus duh
odd sparrow
Yea. Like, low gothic is just a blanket term for all the weird nonsense humans across the imperium speak, high gothic is a aristocratic mostly centralised language so that imperial authorities know what tf eachother is saying
Though obvs not something touched on a whole lot cus it's always gonna be weird to cover that kind of thing with everything in english for the purposes of the book. Cus yeah
storm jungle
No like
its touched on
but guess what
its from some 20 year old rogue trader novel or whatever lol
atomic pelican
oh yeah?
odd sparrow
the capacity of which varies from novel that come out two months ago to no longer even available on ebay.
atomic pelican
What are the exact dimensions of shadowsun's hoofs?
odd sparrow
stOP
atomic pelican
DHSHD
odd sparrow
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atomic pelican
AAA
God but yesh
40k lore professors beating ppl over the head with a excerpt from 15 yrs ago from a magazine snippet
odd sparrow
SAME
atomic pelican
Only published in the DRC
odd sparrow
it's glorious
atomic pelican
Honestly its hard to be upset with ppl who only know lore from memes since lore beyond codexes is mostly costy
Or obscure
Or both
odd sparrow
my novel from 2014 says THIS
YEAH WELL MY SHORT STORY FROM 1999 SAYS THIS
[dude in the corner about to hit them with his blurb excerpt from 1988]
atomic pelican
YEP
odd sparrow
yea 40k lore is an incoherent scattered mess
storm jungle
Unlikely. the Codexes (EG Codex Armageddon, Codex Eye of Terror) didn't get retconned, just the world campaign results.
So things like Tyrok Fields (Codex Eye of Terror, Volscani regiment on parade turns around and bayonet charges the cadian high command on the reviewing stands) are still referenced.
Which is how Creed got to be in charge instead of the usual Lord General Governor of Cadia.
odd sparrow
Which is why I avoid being like, snooty about it at all costs
storm jungle
shit like this basically
atomic pelican
Yeee
odd sparrow
40k is a setting not a coherent story. Like, you put other coherent stories into the setting, you don't expect it all to fit perfectly together
that is dumb and u are dumb
atomic pelican
Yeah I dont think 40k could ever reallt be a coherent story
Sheer size and well
Its a wargame
odd sparrow
Yea p
storm jungle
I remember some dude getting triggered over me joking about Custodes x Sisters of Silence
atomic pelican
Was it That Person
storm jungle
so i made this in response lol
atomic pelican
Was it Her dilara
atomic pelican
RHDHD ayt
storm jungle
also where did he get this fact from?
Uhhhh
oh yeah
another old horus heresy book
atomic pelican
Should show him those "bros being bros" blurbs
Those blurbs make being a space marine not seem so bad
Like hey, imperium sucks but
Gettimg a back rub from a bronze god of a dude
storm jungle
As long as we get reincarnated as marines bro
atomic pelican
its not gay bro we are just being chapter brothers.
atomic pelican
NICE
storm jungle
finite roost
What
atomic pelican
This changes deathwing greatly
finite roost
This changes deathwing greatly
BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE
finite roost
Well
visual pumice
Ram Hulk
storm jungle
Anyone watched the intro cinematic of space hulk?
finite roost
odd sparrow
oh dark angels are absolutely gay
storm jungle
👀
odd sparrow
canonically
visual pumice
many peni
finite roost
Technicly yes
odd sparrow
disagree and die by my blade
royal dagger
finite roost
Dark angels are like the gay knights
storm jungle
in SPESS
storm jungle
NOOoooOoo
atomic pelican
Any depiction of warrior men orders without some homoeroticism is wrong
odd sparrow
^
atomic pelican
Also its the genestealers
finite roost
atomic pelican
Inherent eroticism of genestealers
atomic pelican
Kiss
odd sparrow
and NO not including cultists
finite roost
Probably phermones
odd sparrow
this is the wrong kind of kiss
finite roost
The french one
atomic pelican
A super one
odd sparrow
plus i imagine their tongue gets very invasive bth
atomic pelican
Thats the POINT
odd sparrow
BOUNDARIES
storm jungle
WELCOME TO THE C**[redacted]**M ZONE
ONLY C**[redacted]**M
odd sparrow
THEY DON'T RESPECT THEM
odd sparrow
WELCOME TO THE C**[redacted]**M ZONE
ONLY C**[redacted]**M
i heard that in my head.
also i hate you
finite roost
Welcome to the CUM ZONE Canada USA and Mexico
storm jungle
NICE
odd sparrow
s
royal dagger
Cum zones
atomic pelican
Giving birth to my gorgeous 1st generation son and caring for him as he tears apart gangers
Aww hes purple~
RHSBD
finite roost
finite roost
Yes
odd sparrow
same with furries and skaven
finite roost
That is the problem
visual pumice
finite roost
Space wolfes, come back here damm furries
visual pumice
rat is the only way
odd sparrow
i'm so glad that meme omits the bulge from the stormvermin
atomic pelican
Sad
odd sparrow
i'm not calling you Hoof.
finite roost
"Soft fur, perfect to pat" VULCAN INTESIFIES
odd sparrow
sounds kinky
atomic pelican
Actually I will rebrand
odd sparrow
in all the wrong ways, burn in hell sinner
atomic pelican
Just for you <3
odd sparrow
I am sure this rebrand will be less cursed.
finite roost
I hope it will be
atomic pelican
Are you happy now
finite roost
I dunno what do i should think about this
finite roost
I dunno what do i should think about this
enlish 100
storm jungle
atomic pelican
AHH
finite roost
Dabbing tau
storm jungle
@atomic pelican just for you ❤️