but thats whats also great about 40k, its all grey no real bad or good guy or at least by our standards. In that universe they have known pretty much "only waaaar" so their mindset is just always war. Like Arkham Land having an argument with other ppl about what a monkeys tail was really used for, pointing out one had this stupid idea that monkeys could hang from tree with it. Arkham was like its clearly a lashing attacking tool why would they hang from tree !?
#40k-lore-chat
dim loom
storm jungle
I kinda dont like the "no bad guy good guy" thing
since almost 90% of the universe is filled with literally evil people.
rotund siren
true
storm jungle
However yeah theres a lot of morally grey characters that are written really well
crisp heath
i mean, being an astartes? you mean, you wanna be denied human rights, comfort, love, affection and freedom since preteen years, to be brainwashed, subject to brutal drills and modifications, with a very high chance of death, only to spend the rest of your life in celibate devotion and war, constantly training, practising and inuring your mind against the cold and horrors of your reality until you're horrifically killed?
rotund siren
^
storm jungle
At least Space Wolves get beer
rotund siren
lmao
storm jungle
🍻
crisp heath
and fleas
dim loom
by 40k universe average joe thats great, to serve the emperor whooo sign me up. Dont think they know about the details and survival rate.
crisp heath
the 16yros that signed up to serve in ww1 didn't either
rotund siren
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt
crisp heath
just, the chances of you having a horrific life in wh40k are astronomically higher than here
because 30% of the imperium aren't safe, cushy civilized world, high hives, and paradise worlds
90% of the imperium are shitholes even by the standards of the already pretty dystopian 21st century
dim loom
just hope you are born on maybe in ultramar or to a rich family otherwise its gonna be pooop
crisp heath
paradise world i'm telling you
storm jungle
Or just get to guard a cemetery world
rotund siren
The only good thing to be in 40k, is to be an ork
crisp heath
maybe being stupid would be fun idk i've never tried it
i just overthink and hate it
storm jungle
Hey
stupid and kunnin'
especially funnier since orks apparently believe in reincarnation too
crisp heath
nah
rotund siren
hmm....
crisp heath
i lived in berkshire
some of my classmates almost sounded like orks sometimes
small orks
grotz
storm jungle
DAKKA
plush mason
DA ORKZ ARE DA BESTEST IN DA UNEEVERSE
the best punching bags maybe 😛
kind dove
Forget Orks, ascend to Krorks
dim loom
filthy xenos mushrooms
rotund siren
Krorks were too powerful, so they got nerfed with stupidity
storm jungle
the best punching bags maybe 😛
Of course thats why they're all over the galaxy and basically impossible to get rid off lol
plush mason
ork hunting is quite the pleasure tho
storm jungle
Tbh its hard to admit it
but orks are probably gonna be the only winner in 40k at this point
plush mason
um no
storm jungle
actually no they already won
plush mason
the nids
crisp heath
orks are winning, every single moment they are winning
plush mason
lets face facts
storm jungle
^
storm jungle
These are the only facts!
also the worst part of nids is they cant do jackshit
because plot
rotund siren
Orks v Nids, an endless battle
plush mason
the nids are even more endless than the orks
rotund siren
the only problem is, orks can be alive pretty much anywhere, and they can just zoom around wherever
plush mason
they have the galaxy surrounded
storm jungle
And you can go up and down too lol
plush mason
exactly
rotund siren
they'd have to literally fill it up to track down everything
storm jungle
yoink
rotund siren
which would be insane
plush mason
the nids have eatten most of it more than likely
plucky moth
Orks also power scale up pretty much at will
storm jungle
Nah, nids cant do anything like i said due to plot.
Realistically speaking if they went with them adapting to everything the nids would have like 10000+ bioforms right now ready for any sort of battlefield tactic
however they got like what, 23 units or so
since this is a tabletop game
and whenever they are about to get new genetic data, oh no a faction stops them
rinse and repeat
rotund siren
Honestly, I feel like nids shouldn't even be able to exist
crisp heath
i don't like bugs
plucky moth
I don't like bugs either
rotund siren
Chaos already wants to destroy everything; Orks already wanna destroy everything;
storm jungle
Yeah sadly, they're a cool faction but GW has written themselves into a corner. They're never gonna arrive in full force since 40k needs to exist.
rotund siren
Dark Eldar wanna take everything
kind dove
Nids need a vacuum nosed unit to suck up Orc spores if they ever want to truly beat the Orcs. Cuz even if you kill all the orcs they release spores and then poof they’re back in force on your planet in 5 years
rotund siren
Imperium wants everything
there's just so much
and then you have nids, the vacuums of the universe, just coming outta nowhere because reasons
plush mason
IF they kill off 40k like they did fantasy the nids will be the best way to do it
kind dove
Dyson-gaunts
storm jungle
Nids need a vacuum nosed unit to suck up Orc spores if they ever want to truly b...
Funny since in Octarius nids and ork spores actually microscopically fight each other too.
its great
rotund siren
wow
plucky moth
micro-dakka
storm jungle
DFSKDFSKJFDS
kind dove
Lol amoeba GLORIOUS MELEE
plucky moth
when the mitochondria has a fucking bolter
storm jungle
mighty Squiggoths battled thunderously with huge Tyranid Bio-Titans; even on a microscopic level Tyranid Phage Cells consumed the aggressively spreading Orkoid Spores. Orrok was encumbered by total war on every scale.
plush mason
wow
rotund siren
lol that is hilarious
storm jungle
I hate it since i was just picturing normal bacterial absorption, now thanks to you guys im just seeing tiny ork spores with stick arms and guns shouting
"WAAAAAGH"
🍄
plush mason
a friend of mine once said the orks are a race made for khorne and yet he can never own them lol
storm jungle
lmao yeah they address this in the new ork book
the chaos gods hate them since they got nothing they can offer to the orks
plush mason
yes deamonkilla
storm jungle
No not that
that lad is oooold
Im talking about Brutal Kunnin, it also shows demons addressing orks and being like "you guys are fucking jerks"
plush mason
oh the whole "not actualy connected to the warp" thing
storm jungle
Yep that one, like they are connected but Gork and Mork basically protects them from outside influences
even if an ork shows chaos mutations he gets killed for being "un-orky"
storm jungle
im not sure, we cant be certain until it gets brought up again somewhere
plush mason
well untill then that origin story is still canon
crisp heath
On a note of redundant threats, I think Necrons are even worse on that subject
plush mason
bro they are the epitamy of redundant
crisp heath
Like, they defeated the Eldar in their prime, the Krorks which had advanced tech and make the 40k orks look like groots and The Old Ones which were the undisputed masters of the warp and the galaxy at the time... how can the Imperium fight that? 😂
storm jungle
Because they're in shambles from in-fighting and cant get their shit together?
plush mason
^
storm jungle
I thought that was the entire point of the Necrons as awhole incase they ever united.
its one of the reasons why i love them having personalities
plush mason
yeah once the silent king wakes up all bets are off on that
crisp heath
Yeah, but still, the Silent King is back in the game, isn't he uniting the Necron race once again?
plush mason
it will take time
storm jungle
basically imagine your president trying to unite your neighboring foreign countries
its a hectic nightmare
plush mason
many of the necro lords are waking up insane
storm jungle
Yeee or just getting dementia
plush mason
yes
storm jungle
because they're old grumpy grandpas
crisp heath
many of the necro lords are waking up insane
The destroyer virus, right? Or something like that?
I've never read the lore behind it
plush mason
thats one thing
visual pumice
flayed virus aswell
plush mason
some are just crazy as hell formbeing asleep for so long
some have awakend not even knowing millions of years have past iirc
visual pumice
mechanicus is pretty good for showing that stuff off about them
plush mason
actual idk what this destoryer virus is
well yeah
i know what the flayer virus does to them
crisp heath
The flayer virus is so 40k and grimdark, I love it
plush mason
yeah
visual pumice
it's a virus now
crisp heath
One of my favourite things about the Necrons, it's also cool that Necron players are getting new Flayed Ones models
visual pumice
yeah
plush mason
new flayed ones?
barren tapir
Flayer virus make necrons want their flesh back, but since they cannot will take the flesh of others, destroyer virus make necrons go on their machine development
visual pumice
something about it spreading through some of the tombs or something in the lore now
storm jungle
Damn it GW
visual pumice
overlords are using the detroyers as attack dogs now pretty much
plush mason
oof
barren tapir
It was a bit explained when GW showed off the new models for necrons
storm jungle
which were really thicc
visual pumice
they have these cryptek things that increases the psychosis of them
storm jungle
plush mason
wtf are these like spider looking warforms?
storm jungle
as a person with a Rachnera avatar i can understand the love of big-rears
👀
also they are pretty much destroyers too
visual pumice
storm jungle
but with legs lol
storm jungle
plucky moth
this is now necron waifu time
plush mason
sounds like heresy to me
plucky moth
bone rattling intensifies
storm jungle
But yeah destroyer virus it is i guess
visual pumice
it kinda annoyed me a little, but whatever
storm jungle
Yeah its fine, just eh
plush mason
tbh i doubt the necrons would have awakened at all if the abmechs hadnt started poking around their tombs
crisp heath
burn me for it
Please report to the nearest commissar for re-education, Imperial citizen. 
visual pumice
tbh i doubt the necrons would have awakened at all if the abmechs hadnt started ...
that's it. they weren't supposed to wake up till the silent king came back
barren tapir
If someone is still interested in the necron destroyers here is the official lore about them:
storm jungle
However, considering that Destroyer Cults have emerged on seemingly every Tomb World, it appears to be a common flaw – and disturbingly so. Worse still, its touch is spreading faster through Necron society than ever before, and some who never previously showed any signs are now succumbing to the affliction.
Most interesting....
crisp heath
Wonder if they'll ever write how the Tyranids are getting some form of a virus such as this that they can't adapt to, just to nerf them a bit
final spruce
So the Crons are facing 2 diofferent "diseases"
crisp heath
So they're no longer such a galaxy-ending threat
plush mason
Wonder if they'll ever write how the Tyranids are getting some form of a virus s...
that would require an almost compleat rewrite of the nids
plucky moth
tbf if I'd been asleep for millennia the morning wood would be...
plush mason
it would be easier to have the virus be as abaptable as the nids
so their queens have to spend a lot of time just fighting the virus in the nids dna
final spruce
It's not even wood anymore It's as hard as steel at that point
half gull
hard as blackstone
plush mason
and now yall see why they have gone insane 😛
crisp heath
and now yall see why they have gone insane 😛
Indeed 😂
plush mason
those sons of bitchs havent gotten off in millions of years lol
crisp heath
Forget about NNN, the Necrons had NNM, No Nut Millenia
plush mason
far longer than that
a millenia is 1000 years
idk if there is even a name for the 100s of millions of years the necron have slept
barren tapir
Wonder if they'll ever write how the Tyranids are getting some form of a virus s...
The inquisition is working on something like that, tau too managed to do something similar... It may work for some time on a hive fleet, but on the long term is just a race to which can change faster
plucky moth
idk if there is even a name for the 100s of millions of years the necron have sl...
a power nap
plush mason
to end all power naps
plucky moth
the most powerful nap
odd sparrow
cosmic nap
crisp heath
idk if there is even a name for the 100s of millions of years the necron have sl...
That's just a regular Sunday to me
plush mason
the unlimited power nap
rotund siren
The Nap
primal tide
My ideal sunday
potent swift
So the Crons are facing 2 diofferent "diseases"
Technically 3 if you include the Severed, who are basically oldcrons.
broken kayak
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/70/Rachnerabetterimage.png/...
each days we are moving further away from the emperor's laws👀... to finally rejoin with the one God Slaanesh
atomic pelican
Wonder if they'll ever write how the Tyranids are getting some form of a virus s...
The Tau once developed a virus which killed a tendril of Gorgon I thonk it was.
I know rlly late but shdebd
I was SLEEP
Iirc It was a earth caste within the FSE
atomic pelican
I think some other factions have virus bombed nids before too? Im unsure
barren tapir
Imperium
The problem with nids is that they adapt very fast, so unless you can infect all nids at the same time they will develop a resistance to it
primal tide
Plus you run the risk of giving them ideas
The first half of how the virus bomb works is a tyranids wet dream
median sundial
What's the purpose of a Chaplin? I know they're superiors, but are they kinda the equivalent of a bishop making sure the soldiers on the battlefield are on the holy track or is there something I'm missing?
half gull
it depends on the chapter, but unless i am mistaken the original founding of chaplains was from the 'no psykers in the legions' thing by the emperor
now its variable on what chapter you are talking about
though i might be wrong
frank garden
I do believe Chaplins were mostly used by the Word bearers back in the day.
Later on they they were added to the other legions as a way to keep an eye on the souls of the marines, make sure they upheld their vows and didn't stray from the Emperors light.
half gull
yeah i was rereading a thing about them, apparently malchedor took inspiration from the word bearers chaplains to have other legions do the same, to observe and essentially be HR for the legions
making sure everyone is following the rules
median sundial
So I was right.
half gull
black templars are probably the closest to the original intent chaplains at this point
other chapters probably less so
kind dove
It’s essentially psychic Internal Affairs/Sgt at arms in military terms. Keep an eye on the troops for heresy, and actively combat psychic threats to the unit
half gull
or in the case of some like lemartes, being a shepard for a bunch of death company
kind dove
Can you just put the Canis Helix right into me face and throw me out into the wilderness now? ALLFATHER WILLING!
gleaming arch
final spruce
Where da powerfist ?
gleaming arch
Here’s from what I personally gathered from this pic to in game we got the priest, orgryn, guardsmen and a sniper of sorts. Pay close detail to the weapons
final spruce
No powerfist in sight
vast frigate
Id class them more in weapon types
gleaming arch
Sadly no powerfist I can confirm but a hammer for the priest and power sword for the Sargent are confirmed in the end of the gameplay video
vast frigate
Heavy, Specialist, Sniper, Standard
final spruce
Then who the fuck said power fist in cover
gleaming arch
Well we got the specialist and a Sargent in the gameplay at the same time
Idk someone else
I was on ripper gun topic
gleaming arch
True and it looks more pump action then the gun
half gull
im guessing that is that break action launcher we saw in the video
final spruce
But ripper gun is a basic weapon for ogryns so I think it would be in
half gull
maybe not though
gleaming arch
Wrong
The break action is modeled to look like a thumper GL then what we saw plus the barrel isn’t that long especially for the orgryn
celest dome
Here’s from what I personally gathered from this pic to in game we got the pries...
The writing is a bit in the way but you can find the picture in #735946970706739210
Also holding a Sniper like that would be very unorthodox, it may be the shaft of a Hammer or a Psyker Staffs
half gull
yeah someone took a much higher res shot, it looks like a handle not a barrel
final spruce
Alto, the insigna on the shoulder looks like a target
celest dome
Or a light
gleaming arch
I was thinking of the hotshot snipers rifles the guard uses.
Wait wrong name lol
Gimme a sec
celest dome
Longlas ?
final spruce
The average long las
Can also be like this
The second one is a bit closer to the cover pic
gleaming arch
We shall find out when the devs give us more juicy info but from what I’ve seen they got there hands tied
rotund siren
Then who the fuck said power fist in cover
do you mean Charonite Claws?
That was a theory because of the backpack thing that the Ogryn is wearing in the art
final spruce
No someone said power fists were on the cover
final spruce
Which, is a lie
rotund siren
yes
plush mason
might be a thunderhammer
its an inqusitorial model of ether a powerhammer or a thunderhammer
rotund siren
it's most likely a powerhammer, mostly because it's one of the weapons already confirmed by the PC Gamer magazine
you can find the image in the pinned messages of the #theorycrafting channel
plush mason
what exact is the diffrence between a thunderhammer and a powerhammer?
rotund siren
Thunder Hammers are used by Astartes
and possibly Inquisitors
because they are too massive for humans
unless perhaps the priest is using a small version, if such a thing exists
rotund siren
kind of?
a power hammer has a power field around it, like with a power sword
A Thunder Hammer is the opposite
plush mason
and iirc the inqusision has access to all armorments in the imperium
plush mason
even the outlawed ones
rotund siren
maybe we'll see some laslocks and shotlas guns then
plush mason
maybe
btw in TTS magnus has kitten kill the high lords of terra
but it turns out those where not the real high lords but rather xenos
didnt something like that actual happen in the lore?
serene eagle
Tts is very good but its off the rails fanfiction
plush mason
i know
serene eagle
Kk
plush mason
but i think i heared a race of xenos did do that or tried to
serene eagle
@plush mason 'The Inquisition Has stuff' excuse doesn't make sense
plush mason
?
serene eagle
The inquisition doesn't share resources much, they are a bunch of solo agents with goons working for each inquisitor
The resources of each inquisitor varies wildly
plush mason
i just meent they can demand any and all things/bodies they need
serene eagle
They can't, actually
That depends on the inquisitors clout, respect, favors
They can boss around planetary governors
But if they say to astartes 'give me your armory' the astartes will just say no
plush mason
ngl the more i learn about the inquisiton the less i like it
serene eagle
Its almost as if they are a loose collective of phsychopaths with too much power
plush mason
exactly
serene eagle
I jest, the inquisition is cool
plush mason
do they even have a true chain of command?
serene eagle
But the first thing you have to understand about 40k is that the imperium is based on the Byzantine Empire
Aka the beurocracy is fucked and noone works together properly
plush mason
thats most if not all great empires
serene eagle
They do have a chain of command
inquisitors goons>inquisitors>veteran inquisitors>Lord inquisitors
An inquisitor is prob around 100 years old
Veterans 200
Lords old as fuck
All of them use rejuvat treatments or cybernetics to stay fit and combat capable
plush mason
is there any one leader?
serene eagle
Uhhhh
plush mason
or do the 3 ordos each have its own
plush mason
btw adsl dialup is what i imagine tech lingus sounds like lol
serene eagle
Inquisitors also vary wildly in how they go about things
hollow fossil
what are you guys talking about?
digital badger
late grotto
Btw any more details or notable PDF? I guess they are much more varied then IG since IG is more standardized?
Correct me if im wrong
odd sparrow
Yeah PDFs are extremely variable. Like, the PDF on a fortress world or any other planet with a strong military culture can be up to IG standards or even superior, orrrr they can be absolutely laughable
late grotto
So there can be medieval age era pdf and cavemen tribes? 😂
late grotto
Cooool 😂
late grotto
Im looking at Ultramar Auxilla , dude they look bad ass
storm jungle
Yeeeah they got some really cool SFM screenshot stoo
Not-canon of course since GW is lazy but who cares, its OOF.
odd sparrow
ave true to macragge?
atomic pelican
Profligates like you belong on a cross
atomic pelican
DHSBS
storm jungle
ESPECIALLY WITH THE BULL FLAG IN THE LAST ONE
atomic pelican
Setting a conga line of landmines for vulpes and his fursuit
storm jungle
DFLKKLDS
Now to imagine kaisar's lines said by guilliman
"What makes you think I won't kill you now that you surrendered your weapons?"
...
"Relax Im just fuckin' with ya."
atomic pelican
DHSH
odd sparrow
it's literally identical???? except like, cleaner and blue
storm jungle
IKR
dense glen
"Et tu, Fulgrim?" Rowboat Gorillaman whilst getting stabbed by Fulgrim
celest dome
23 senator, 23 stab iirc
rotund siren
I mean, more like 50 senators
barren tapir
Not all of them stabbed Caesar
barren tapir
23
barren tapir
The Heretic Cactus is right
crisp heath
remember, it's more time and effort effective to have 5 people stab the same individual 4 times than to have 20 stab them once. you also have to wash fewer knives.
and why is that? because 20 people can't fit around one person so easily, they will shuffle around, potentially fight for a chance to get close
whereas 5 can easily fit around, stab, pull the knife out and repeat
celest dome
Didn't he die on the 1st hit or someething too ?
celest dome
But he knew his own worth
meager wadi
tbh, I think Caesar just thought pacing was disabled in that area
rotund siren
Why do CSM have their armor fuse with their bodies?
primal tide
Because chaos just be what it do
rotund siren
That's boring as hell
celest dome
Also Demon are not material, for them Flesh and Armour is the same-ish so they just fuse it to keep their marine stronger
rotund siren
huh
wack
I guess that means that if a marine in Terminator Armor got turned, they'd be real tough
storm jungle
I guess that means that if a marine in Terminator Armor got turned, they'd be re...
Oh boy
Meet the Obliterators, lol
cunning lantern
I actually liked old obliterator "skin" better
primal tide
I fucking love that sculpt
cunning lantern
The new ones is too clean
cunning lantern
The pose is awesome but skin is not
rotund siren
grosser
storm jungle
rotund siren
so that's intimidating
cunning lantern
here is the other
rotund siren
thank you
cunning lantern
rotund siren
wow, very bloodthirsty of them
storm jungle
Yeee if you want more details you can click on the actual virus thread, it has stages and everything lol
but too long to read: they become dakka itself
storm jungle
Aye the narrative is scary but the models usually end up looking goofy most of the time lol
rotund siren
mm
chrome skiff
what are the chances that one of the bosses in the game is a chaos marine?
or is it too op for the squad
rotund siren
funny that you ask that, since a conversation about that just happened in #theorycrafting
maybe check to see if they have any speculation there?
ashen zenith
hey guys have a small question, could someone explain to me why the sisters of battle dont seem to like the space marines much?
barren tapir
Superiority complex by the SoB
ashen zenith
weird, i would expect them to like them for being kinnda genetically linked to the emperor himself
final spruce
That's not something everybody knows
And SoB don't really matter with the finest things since, you know, weaponized zealots
barren tapir
You should also remember that SM attacked SoB when they were defending vandire
barren tapir
And SoB don't really matter with the finest things since, you know, weaponized z...
This, also SoB see only themself as the rightful followers of the emperor, but as said by Zherlum is more just fanaticism
storm jungle
God thats so funny
imagine saying that to a person that can literally make your spine bend 360 rotation with a slap
storm jungle
Canonesses?
Eh kind of? Like they're OP but its because they got lots of good equipment, relics.
barren tapir
Not really, they are still humans in power armor, they are hardened, but like the veterans of IG
storm jungle
They arent genetically modified
kind dove
Before they were the SoBs they were named wives/Daughters of the emporer when Vandire co-opted them into a military force
storm jungle
Not really, they are still humans in power armor, they are hardened, but like th...
Yeeee, this
buoyant crypt
I cant remember exactly the names, i read a lore segment about an SoB with a special sword that liek randomly shows up places
storm jungle
oh Mark of Faith
kind dove
So they think themselves as close to the emporer as SMS
barren tapir
So they think themselves as close to the emporer as SMS
Yes, closer than SM
They have a superiority complex, and dislike also that many SM chapters don't worship Big E as a god
barren tapir
Before they were the SoBs they were named wives/Daughters of the emporer when Va...
They were named brides of the emperor yes, but they go back to Daughters of the emperor after killing him
buoyant crypt
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Saint_Celestine this is the one i was reading about
just seems kinda OP
kind dove
Totally not a warp entity
buoyant crypt
Her?
barren tapir
That is a living saint, it is not a normal SoB
It is like comparing SM to primarchs
barren tapir
But cannot be considered a SoB anymore
final spruce
Saint Celestine is a girl being chosen to fuse with the initial Celestine i believe ?
kind dove
Celestine is most definitely Not a warp entity- The Ecclesiarchy
barren tapir
That is sabbat
final spruce
And, its not always a SoB that is chosen
barren tapir
And BTW, everyone know that SoS are the real BAE
primal tide
Amen brothers
buoyant crypt
her lore is literally just "went to back water planet into ancient crypt, next day she came out with ancient armor and cool sword and now shes a saint"
final spruce
They took the Custodes boys and got them out of their depression, true saints
buoyant crypt
other then all the fighting before that ob
primal tide
her lore is literally just "went to back water planet into ancient crypt, next d...
Didn't she have to die a few times first
buoyant crypt
yes many times
barren tapir
I would too stop guarding the palace if some of them come and ask me to follow
buoyant crypt
is the living saint transition always unique to each person
plucky moth
dunno, mine didn't do much for me
rotund siren
lmao
barren tapir
dunno, mine didn't do much for me
That is because you aren't one, you are superior to them
rotund siren
There's one guy who only died once
plucky moth
rotund siren
and then went on a supercrusade
buoyant crypt
it was incan
barren tapir
like does everyone have to die a few dozen times
Most probably yes
rotund siren
over by the Spinward Front I think
?
Drosen or whatever?
The saint that the metal mask wearing folks believe in
barren tapir
Drusus, but he simply died IIRC
rotund siren
I thought he died and came back?
buoyant crypt
noone saw that
ashen zenith
They have a superiority complex, and dislike also that many SM chapters don't wo...
i was also wondering about this, arent sm supposed to be warrior monks? also why do they use purity seals if they dont worship him as a god? or do only some chapters use them
rotund siren
"Though supposdly slain, Drusus was seemingly resurrected as a Living Saint, leading many to believe that held the Emperor's favor."
barren tapir
crisp heath
bc the sm accept that the emperor is massively powerful so they pray to him
barren tapir
He was probably killed, but we all know how those things work
crisp heath
but they are literally forbidden from worshipping him as a god
barren tapir
i was also wondering about this, arent sm supposed to be warrior monks? also why...
Purity seals were used even during the great crusade, it has nothing to do with religion, is more something that say that you are a very good guy
crisp heath
it's a good boy sticker
buoyant crypt
someone said metal mask and all i can think of is Gelt LOL
rotund siren
haha
storm jungle
SUPREME
barren tapir
Also some SM chapters worship big E as a god, but all the first founding one don't
storm jungle
buoyant crypt
crisp heath
god if i had a mask like gelt's i would handle corona so well
it offers total anonymity and is spiky what more can a man want
buoyant crypt
and its pure gold
ashen zenith
Purity seals were used even during the great crusade, it has nothing to do with ...
would that also mean that scenes like this one (https://youtu.be/2bko5GgK5v8?t=23) where the sm seems to bless his gun with incense is kinnda dumb and wrong?
oh damn the timestamp didnt work
barren tapir
That is related to Machine spirits
ashen zenith
ah
barren tapir
Which are on another level, we discussed them in general
ashen zenith
so they do believe in the machine spirit?
barren tapir
They go with what work, they may not question if the machine spirit is real or not, only that their bolters shoot, and if the way to achieve that is to spread incense on it they will do it
ashen zenith
alright i c, thanks for the info
barren tapir
Also that change from chapter to chapter, but most of the time SM are more spiritual than religious
primal tide
Could be a techmarine doing it, which makes a little more sense
buoyant crypt
Unrelated I feel bad for Isha
primal tide
Daddy nurgle keeps her busy
rotund siren
Never say that again, please.
celest dome
Even on my standard I find that sickening
buoyant crypt
i mean
celest dome
Nurgle is the worst of them all
rotund siren
Even on my standard I find that sickening
heh, nice pun
primal tide
Happy to be of service guys
buoyant crypt
so do you guys think thats her permanent residence
buoyant crypt
i mean yeah but im saying do you think lore wise shes never going to move again
shes the last one of those gods alive right?
celest dome
If I would write for GW i would make a way to make her free
But knowing GW and the fact that they want to keep a Status Quo
primal tide
It would be lame if they free her
celest dome
shes the last one of those gods alive right?
No there is a new one
Ynnari or something of the sort
primal tide
+cegorach
buoyant crypt
why would it be lame
she literally jsut sits there and gets infected by shit over and over
thats lame
primal tide
Nuhuh
celest dome
She also give cure/hope to the mortal
primal tide
They make a good couple
buoyant crypt
if she like got corrupted and actually sided with him that would be even cooler then just being a lab rat
primal tide
Nah, corrupting her would remove the tension in their relationship
celest dome
I want for her to turn Mortarion in a Life Guard and have pretty Butterfly wing (Ariel is that you ?) flee the Warp but create a 3rd faction that is at war with both the IoM and Chaos
buoyant crypt
i mean, even them having a "relationship" outside of being a lab rat would make it make more sense
seriously
celest dome
Stockholm syndrome ?
buoyant crypt
.>
primal tide
Hehe
primal tide
Angron is incapable of appreciating the finer things in life
Like using your massive cauldron to cook up something nice for your significant other
crisp heath
Are you talking about nurgle broth
Where they throw a living person into a cauldr and mix it with other stuff to make soup
celest dome
As someone who has seen toxic relationship destroy people, I want Isha to be freed and to stab Nurgle in his pus ridden face with a Great Power Sword
primal tide
You just don't understand their love
buoyant crypt
shes just a pet that he tosses plague on
celest dome
A lab rat
crisp heath
^
buoyant crypt
well she can talk
probably calls him ugly rather often
hmmm what do you think they talk about
maybe shes gets bored and helps him make plagues
if she helps make them she can cure them faster
dont heresy me
HATERS
celest dome
She canonically try to help mortal defeat the plage that nurgle make
crisp heath
BOOOOOOO
buoyant crypt
i mean yeah
crisp heath
I mean, He ain't sum God leik Gork n Mork.
buoyant crypt
i guess she already knows how to cureeverything
celest dome
3 heretic, of 3 diff faction, arguing on what the relationship of isha and Nurgle
crisp heath
Datz as powerfol of a god az you'z can get.
buoyant crypt
Its true
mayeb gork and mork go free isha because someone bets them that they cant
i think thats the new canon
someone email GW
crisp heath
Dat Soundz outrageous even for sum humie git!
atomic pelican
Wholesome
median sundial
Do you think there was a time where the last-gen Astartes mumbled at the new fangled Primaris marines? Did Dreadnoughts moan at this new breed or where they impressed that the Adeptus Mechanicus managed to make a full auto Plasma gun after 10,000 years.
thick shadow
Tag: Ugly_Bastard
celest dome
What ever you say, you can't say that it's a healthy relationship
primal tide
Just cuz it's nurgle doesn't mean he can't have a healthy relationship
rotund siren
Nurgle is literally the antithesis of Healthy
celest dome
Yeah but it doesn't change that it is an unhealthy relationship
storm jungle
technically chapin they're right
nurgle is a diseaseful lad, but the relationship itself can be nice for the most part
primal tide
'just because you are badguy, doesn't mean you are... bad guy'
rotund siren
Zangief?
primal tide
Haha yee
storm jungle
A true chad example
celest dome
for an elf lover you do seem to like them suffering
storm jungle
bold of you to assume shes suffering
probably just MILDLY annoyed
suffering would be if Papa Nurgle let Slaanesh have a go at Isha lol
primal tide
ugh HUSBAND you forgot to put your ladle in the dishwasher again!
storm jungle
DFSKFKJDS
celest dome
Nah that would be fast death in place of slow death
primal tide
suffering would be if Papa Nurgle let Slaanesh have a go at Isha lol
You have my attention
storm jungle
You have my attention
👀
but yeah jokes aside Nurgle ""saved"" Isha according to canon from eternal [redacted] so good on the lad
primal tide
Wait wut
kind dove
I like that Isha keeps sneaking things into the Nurgle plague that can allow cures to happen
Yeah she was gonna get ate like the rest of the Pantheon
kind dove
Slaanesh was gonna NOM her too
primal tide
I never realized that but yeah I guess that's obvious haha
celest dome
Slaanesh was trying to eat all the Eldar gods, Khaine was saved by Khorne and Isha by Nurgle
I don't think Tzeentch did anything
kind dove
Khaine got busted to little shards. Only Cegorach escaped
The entire rest of the Pantheon? Kaput.
primal tide
Cegorach and tzeench sitting back watching tv together
storm jungle
Yep
the eldar pantheon are just there for show
they arent even that detailed like with Fantasy
rotund siren
RIP
kind dove
Though supposedly were badass in their prime.
primal tide
Eldar: hey can I copy your homework for the pantheon?
Chaos: yeah just change it a little
kind dove
They had to divorce themselves from the Eldar for some reason I can’t remember, and two of them kept messing things up, and it severely weakened them before Slaanesh pooped into existence
They predated the true Chaos Gods
When the warp was semi-stable
Most of the Chaos Gods spawned relatively recently compared to say... the Old Ones or the birth of the Eldar
storm jungle
I think the lore always hinted at the Boyz aka Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle being slowly birthed thanks to sentient species from the dawn of time?
Luetin keeps spewing stuff about this and im always unsure on it
vast frigate
They did
the lore points more towards khorne tzeentch and nurgle being slow buildups
but nothing tangible untill kinda after the eldar fell
kind dove
Khorne was human Middle Ages birthed, Nurgle has been around the longest (since he is decay), and tzeentch who knows?, and Slaanesh was pretty recent in lore
vast frigate
Thats actually the larger mistake people made
primal tide
I think the khorne thing is old lore
vast frigate
Khorne has been birthed first
BUT, not during human medieval times
he was manifested about around after the war in heaven due to the absolute carnage it wrought
kind dove
Shit I think that’s older lore then (showing my age)
vast frigate
ahs fine dw
warhammer is convoluted and a jumble of fuckery on purpose
allows them to change whenever they want
storm jungle
yeah this is the thing
kind dove
Nurgle is supposedly the oldest right? Since he is technically “change”? And has been around since things could wither and die?
storm jungle
Actually no...?
I keep remember people debunking that
like i said this is what makes it really confusing
But it could be true for all I know
primal tide
Tzeench is change, nurgle is finality
celest dome
GW said a lot of different thing
primal tide
Tzeench is hope for the future, nurgle is making peace with the end
kind dove
I meant more of the change of states of matter
celest dome
Nurgle is sometime the circle of Life, other death/decay of the universe
primal tide
Tzeench is learning, nurgle is decay
Nurgle can be the circle of life, but not in the sense of change as much as things taking their one given path
storm jungle
Nah nah
like the thing is
chaos gods are just evil
GW tried to balance them out but the "good aspects" are long forgotten
primal tide
the 'good aspects' are just chaos propaganda
storm jungle
Yeeee exactly
this isnt Moorcock's Multiverse where the Chaos Gods were actually kept in check by the Gods of Law
primal tide
I do like the idea of khorne being honorable and stuff, but it doesn't jive with basically anything else he's about
buoyant crypt
i mean
velvet yarrow
so killing a chaos god is a net positive
celest dome
There used to be a few "Law" Chaos God in Fantasy
kind dove
But I thought each had a “good” aspect
primal tide
Gw tried that
storm jungle
They did like i said
but GW tries to poorly explain it and it just falls on his face since all they do is sick shit
kind dove
My chaos lore is old hahaha
buoyant crypt
"good" as in not necessarily evil
like warriors of khrone fighting with honor and shit liek that
kind dove
Tzeench encouraging learning, thirst for knowledge
velvet yarrow
i mean its kinda hard to find a consistent good part of something like slaanesh given there origin
buoyant crypt
idk
kind dove
Nurgle being death/decay but also creation of life
buoyant crypt
self expression?
storm jungle
Like in Moorcock's universe the Gods of Law and Chaos are in a constant struggle, because their entire principle is Too much Law is really bad, but Too much Chaos is also really bad. Hence why they are both in an eternal war against one and another with mortal champions.
buoyant crypt
social freedom?
storm jungle
buoyant crypt
something along those lines
storm jungle
Notice the chaos star and the upward arrow
celest dome
research of perfection
kind dove
And slaanesh is the quest for perfection
storm jungle
something GW both stole
velvet yarrow
murder fucked into existence
primal tide
How you gonna reconcile honorable fighting with senseless killing and bloodletting innocents to get hyped for battle
crisp heath
nurgle is more like... familiality and contentment and shit like that
nurgle is being a neckbeard but being happy with your neckbeard life
storm jungle
but yeah all ill ask is dont try to justfy the shit chaos gods, they're just evil in the end lol
primal tide
Not happy, just numb
crisp heath
content
half gull
chaos god doing chaos things
primal tide
Still too positive an emotion lol
celest dome
Nuffle is the only "good" Chaos God
crisp heath
tzeench is doing cocaine in your ceo office before you decide to fuck that and become an astronaut because, change of plans.
storm jungle
considering the entire concept is borrowed from Moorcock, GW really didnt handle it well lol
velvet yarrow
they still are spawned from and given power by mortals in the materium right?
storm jungle
ANY sentient being yeah
to destroy them you'd have to kill any mortal being in the galaxy
crisp heath
well, anything with a soul
kind dove
That’s why chaos won’t ever completely win
crisp heath
necrons are sentient but bargained their souls away
kind dove
Can’t kill the food source
atomic pelican
Im p sure u could just flood the warp with Good Vibes and shift it back to the spirit realm
storm jungle
necrons are sentient but bargained their souls away
Tell that to Lucius YEET
primal tide
#bugvictory
atomic pelican
But thats impossinle
storm jungle
that loser spawned out of a necron lord smh
crisp heath
Im p sure u could just flood the warp with Good Vibes and shift it back to the s...
you can't flood shit with good vibes while i'm here.
kind dove
Listen, breed blanks and place them every 4 feet hahaha
atomic pelican
Iirc if the 40k universe miraculously didnt suck then chaos would start to get fuckt
Since theyd have little Bad Vibes to power up on
storm jungle
Yeee this is another thing
they feed on every negative aspect of humanity
not the good parts
Its why they're OP af
velvet yarrow
exterminatus every planet
storm jungle
buoyant crypt
the necrons have the right idea
kind dove
No life in the Galaxy = true defeat of Chaos
primal tide
I mean, thats what that secret society told alpharius and omegon would happen if they sided with horus
Oops
buoyant crypt
but what about the tyranids
half gull
there was also this really neat theory, that chaos might be the best weapon to fight the tyranids
that was a very intresting one
buoyant crypt
wouldnt the entire universe just get eaten
storm jungle
nope
atomic pelican
Tyrannids cant win bcuz gwplot
crisp heath
you can't get rid of the bad vibes even in an ideal society
atomic pelican
Despite them probs beinf the most lilely victors
storm jungle
gotta milk this series to the very end
buoyant crypt
well i mean, if all of humanity just pooped itself
atomic pelican
Unless the Tau develop some mega tyrannid virus based on that FSE one
crisp heath
chaos will be there, and the presence of chaos by its activities increases the number of instances where bad vibes occur
velvet yarrow
so they didn't make them skaven 2?
primal tide
It's already a tyranid victory because they're coming from multiple other galaxies
kind dove
Tyranids throw a shadow in the warp, but is it because they are “displacing” it?
half gull
its noise
crisp heath
also, if intelligent life evolves again
kind dove
Do they have a presence? Can they be corrupted?
crisp heath
pop you get chaos again
buoyant crypt
tyranids are so interesting but its kinda lame that the eventual end of thigns is just gonna be them eating everything right
primal tide
Tyranids throw a shadow in the warp, but is it because they are “displacing” it?
It's cuz even chaos thinks bugs are gross
storm jungle
^
but nah
its never concrete
nids can easily be popped
they just need to find a stupid bullshit STC
lol
crisp heath
even chaos went eww when it saw nids
atomic pelican
Chaos only exists bcuz 40k has Way more bad vibes then usual. Ex) war in heaven causing them to exist
kind dove
Cuz if nids eat everything chaos withers and dies
storm jungle
They need to go to Lumineth and chill
atomic pelican
U right
storm jungle
use some of the crack the elves use
atomic pelican
Yess
crisp heath
idk man i think chaos would still be there because there are always bad vibes
buoyant crypt
40k is just kinda balancing nids and chaos isnt it
half gull
is it though?
storm jungle
YE
primal tide
Lmao
kind dove
But nids don’t have bad vibes, only the hive mind
primal tide
Okay, that's bingo
storm jungle
They actually do
half gull
that implies it gets better with time
storm jungle
Nids can hate
half gull
zing
atomic pelican
Nids are just vibing
buoyant crypt
i mean everything is a reaction to chaos or nids at the source most of the time isnt it
atomic pelican
Neutrally
storm jungle
hence the attack at Baal
atomic pelican
O shit
crisp heath
you can live on a paradise world and sip a coconut for breakfast every day and still be depressed
velvet yarrow
wait what are the emotions that gork and mork are over?
atomic pelican
Mushroom
buoyant crypt
just orks
crisp heath
ork emotions
primal tide
Krump
atomic pelican
ORKZORKZORKZORKZ
crisp heath
krump and waagh
primal tide
Shoot
atomic pelican
LETS GO BOYZ
buoyant crypt
they react to krump and waagh
primal tide
Stomp
buoyant crypt
thats it
crisp heath
and dakka
primal tide
Teef
crisp heath
dakka is also an emotion
storm jungle
YEAH WE FORGOT THE ORKS
buoyant crypt
when are gork and mork gonna attack terra
kind dove
Deny ork, become Krork
crisp heath
the orks have already won
storm jungle
Even when the last human is extinc, da orks are gonna be partying hard
crisp heath
they're having fun and that's what matters
buoyant crypt
but the orks are just gonna be butting head with the tyranids for all of eternity
atomic pelican
Who was that one warboss who led a ass mchuge waagh through the warp via a hulk
half gull
the orks are gonna win lets be honest
crisp heath
the richest sexiest rogue trader probably isn't having as much fun
atomic pelican
Was that thrakka
velvet yarrow
right other than korne do any other chaos god really care about them
storm jungle
Who was that one warboss who led a ass mchuge waagh through the warp via a hulk
Tuska Daemonkilla
atomic pelican
Ahh
half gull
krumpin is wot dey do best
atomic pelican
Love that guy
storm jungle
right other than korne do any other chaos god really care about them
also yeah
and the fact that they cant corrupt them lol
since they dont give a zog
primal tide
Tuska is having his anime training montage
buoyant crypt
i feel like slaneesh should like the orks
atomic pelican
DUWHDHW
half gull
im not gonna lie
kind dove
Ork players are the coolest on table top
atomic pelican
U right
velvet yarrow
orks are asexual why would slaanesh care?
half gull
i really like in media when they portray orks as the terrifying beasts they are
and dont just meme the whole time
primal tide
Greentide is coming in like 6 years dont worry
Don't give me hope
half gull
like, when you really think about them they are terrifying
buoyant crypt
i deff wouldnt want to fight orks tbh
kind dove
We had a discussion recently about their untapped potential
crisp heath
slaanesh is not just about sex
buoyant crypt
too single minded
crisp heath
slaanesh is about hedonism and excess
yes, you are def empowering slaanesh if you eat a family pack of anything.
velvet yarrow
true
kind dove
Orks only evolve to “a good fight”. Nothing in 40K is scary enough to tap their true potential
buoyant crypt
i feel like the whole waaagh phenomenon is right up slaanesh's alley
crisp heath
but it's more instinct than enjoyment?
kind dove
And Cryptmann might’ve created Uber-orks by driving a hive fleet into a Waggggh
buoyant crypt
but they are loving it lmao
crisp heath
i guess orks don't experience ambition/joy the same way as humans and eldar
crisp heath
they're not as emotionally multifaceted as to experience indulgence/hedonism
kind dove
Simple power structure
buoyant crypt
thats actually sad as fuck
crisp heath
not really
buoyant crypt
deff
storm jungle
its fun af
crisp heath
they're just more animalistic
half gull
the difference is
buoyant crypt
yeah you keep saying that but you know animals o things for fun right
half gull
its not indulgence, its below that threshold for an ork, clearly
kind dove
They are just a big, sentient mushroom
storm jungle
yeah you keep saying that but you know animals o things for fun right
DONT PUT THAT IMAGE IN MY HEAD
half gull
they have not even begun to fight
storm jungle
🍄
kind dove
Technically they are a mushroom
half gull
i mean, animals do fight for fun
crisp heath
yes, but not under the fun/duty dichotomy as humans do
half gull
you ever see puppies or kittens playfight?
crisp heath
like an animal won't indulge in play at the cost of hunting and then feel guilty over it
storm jungle
kind dove
I like that their hair is actually a squig
atomic pelican
half gull
orks are just the best, they can do it all
buoyant crypt
idk, waagh is basically the climax of a orks life right
half gull
starts playing the 'everything you can do, i can do better song' being sung by an ork
storm jungle
idk, waagh is basically the climax of a orks life right
Nah
Waaaghs are like
field trips
velvet yarrow
ok but why are there 2 ork gods do they do different things or are there just 2 super orks?
storm jungle
ok but why are there 2 ork gods do they do different things or are there just 2 ...
One is cunningly brutal
the other is brutally cunning
velvet yarrow
i see
buoyant crypt
hmmm
atomic pelican
Big finkin
storm jungle
one will hit you in the head with a stick
half gull
AoS actually made them one thing didnt they
buoyant crypt
what would an ork strie to do if not participate in a waagh
storm jungle
DSFKJDFKJSDFKJS
buoyant crypt
strive*
atomic pelican
AoS made them one for a bit and then they split again iirx
velvet yarrow
is that actually it?
atomic pelican
Gorkamorka
half gull
i heard a rumor they were planning something similar for 40k recently
storm jungle
is that actually it?
also yes it is
buoyant crypt
but thatll literally cause a waagh
half gull
but scrapped it
velvet yarrow
thank you gw very cool
buoyant crypt
woah woah
crisp heath
everything in an ork's life always revolves right back towards waaagh
crisp heath
i would, but only if i was sitting on top of a baneblade
crisp heath
tank cooler
primal tide
I'd paint myself purple
storm jungle
books are cooler
crisp heath
better for big dick metaphor
storm jungle
DSFKDKJS