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#40k-lore-chat
atomic pelican
cerulean wagon
"but IG dont use chainswords they are too big"
atomic pelican
I think the worst part of that is like
There are boxarts with commissars wielding them
Like
Do they think commissars are 9ft tall
cerulean wagon
they dont know IG outside of the memes
atomic pelican
U right
cerulean wagon
they think commissars are just boltguns randomly firig off and killing guardsmen
open summit
they think commissars are just boltguns randomly firig off and killing guardsmen
The commissar said that's heresy; he's coming to put a bolt in your head.
thin horizon
I mean, I seem to recall reading of a commissar killing a chaos space marine with a chainsword.
They do indeed use chainswords.
atomic pelican
We r saying that Smoke fhdfhd
We were meming abt ppl not knowing IG can use more than just lasguns and such
final spruce
Commisars's base equipment is a chainsword with a laspistol
A lot of them like to switch the laspistol for the bolter
Because it tends to inspire more discipline
And is a more effective weapon
kind dove
My fave was Cain ridiculing that new commisar in one of the later books about using a Bolter instead of a laspistol, and another time saying all his propaganda photos having him wielding one despite never using one, ever.
little blade
If they have regiments as cosmetics for the guardsman class
We better get Praetorians
Best looking guard regiment!
😄
odd sparrow
this is true
consider the following: rorke's drift except it's praetorians and kroot
odd sparrow
idk writing orks in a serious light is really difficult
they're always just kinda meme-y cockney greenbois to me
visual junco
Do we know anything about like how many classes are what the classes will be
odd sparrow
#general-chat but also no, nothing. Probable there won't be a class system like we got in VT2
thin horizon
Again, Takticus the Ork
His story was pretty serious, even a bit sad
Recommend anyone to read that shit
primal tide
theres the story where the orks face completely unbeatable odds over a long period of time to the point where they dont even enjoy the fight anymore because all they can do is grit their teeth and fight back the seige
its not goofy at all, theyre brutal and feral and miserable
idr where from, i saw an exerpt on /r/40klore
prisma swallow
i felt dejavu from seeing praetorian coat of arms and kept thinking where have i already seen it
turns out it is a coat of arms of some counts of Ascalon in Palestine
cerulean wagon
@odd sparrow orks can be done seriously its just the community is memey
also rorkes drift exists in 40k and it is against orks
1 sec
cant find it now :(
cerulean wagon
👍
odd sparrow
God bless
barren tapir
Also both Cain and Gaunt kill SM with chainswords... Damn noobs thinking IG is incapable of doing stuff because memes
In truth IG is extremely competent and many threats are managed by them, or by the PDF (which vary very much from world to world)... But those stories aren't as epic as apocalyptic battles which destroys worlds so they aren't much know
barren tapir
Like, take Elysia, they are fighting constantly pirates, both humans, xenos and even some CSM, or they board space hulks to destroy them or recover some tech but nooo, they aren't as celebrated as SM who send their veterans with uber power armor because grimaderp
Look at this, the CSM is screaming because he knew he is fragged
final spruce
Imagine that, youre a fucking space marine infused by the power of the dark gods but whats going to kill you is just a human with titanium balls and a grenade
storm jungle
mint hill
Better than dying to a human with a lasgun. At least it's a krak grenade they use.
primal tide
Superhuman strength and speed, further boosted by chaos
Hes just standing there about to eat a grenade
🤨
rotund siren
a guardman with a grenade is very surprising, to be fair
primal tide
Is it though?
rotund siren
yes
barren tapir
When you expect that guard to run or be paralyzed by fear and instead he charges you i bet you will be a bit surprised
barren tapir
Also chaos doesn't improve your speed or strength
If you are plague marine your speed take a big hit, but you get to be a bullet sponge
storm jungle
Yeah this is really true
plague marines take a LONG ass time to die from the stuff they get hit by
barren tapir
All that pus and maggots are absorbing all the damage
crisp heath
All sides have downgrades
Even our great gorefather
Tzeentch has no flaws in his mutations, But if he doesn't need you anymore?
You're just a flop of tentacles
thick shadow
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/e/ed/RenegadesOfElysia.jpg
Wait, aren't the Elysians famous to use an "anti-grav jump packs"?
crisp heath
In khorne you will have to kill everyday and every hour
And slaanesh?
Well slaanesh.
Slaanesh is icky
Yuck
thick shadow
We got Tzeentchisn here
crisp heath
Why do you have to
Make me want to
Pour acid into my brain
To forget these quotes
alpine basalt
Nurgle is just happy either way he's a good sport
mint hill
Most of them use 'Grav Chutes' not actual jump packs.
crisp heath
🌽
mint hill
They are just modeled with them on all the time.
thick shadow
He IS a most supportive parental figure for sure
thick shadow
Most of them use 'Grav Chutes' not actual jump packs.
[Confuse]
alpine basalt
im just saying if anyone were to realistically pick a chaos god it would probably be nurgle everyone involved with that mess tends to be pretty content
mint hill
The Elysian drop troopers. That's the dude with the grenade feeding it to the Chaos Marine
They all bail out of valkries to the fight, might be why the chaos guy looks so surprised as it's Pokemon grass encounter with a grenade.
thick shadow
Or shocked by that he actually managed the dropping with not dying during it
mint hill
"Ah shit, it's the one guy who survives the landing and it just has to be me. Chaos Gods Why do you Forsake me!?"
mint hill
Nurgle would suck balls. You're in constant agony.
crisp heath
But why should I reduce pain and be more resilient
mint hill
just because you die of it doesn't mean you don't -feel it-
mint hill
Nah, it's basically what god best suits your own base desires.
crisp heath
- You would be stronger than your enemy most of the times.
crisp heath
It is true
storm jungle
also Khorne is literally the worst option lol
mint hill
Not really, khorne doesn't mean you go full beef cake
crisp heath
^
crisp heath
Eh
crisp heath
It depends
storm jungle
It depends
And no it doesnt
mint hill
Not really.
storm jungle
its said in the lore lol
storm jungle
Excess isnt about getting turned on
crisp heath
Pleasee
storm jungle
and slaanesh isnt about sex
crisp heath
Pleasure*
mint hill
Anything that is done in -excess- which is, more than a little, falls into Slaaneshes Territory.
storm jungle
Let me google
"an amount of something that is more than necessary, permitted, or desirable."
mint hill
Such as, enjoying killing, Food, Drink, Wine, Torture, Art.
storm jungle
^
storm jungle
Thats a goddamn excess
jesus christ lol
it will fuel khorne as much as it will fuel slaanesh
crisp heath
Suee it empowers him but it doesn't affect the dude that is killing
Opposite
The guy gets more khorne like features
mint hill
"Khorne does not care from which the blood flows, only that it flows"
mint hill
If the person kills for the enjoyment for killing.
alpine basalt
all of the chaos gods overlap all the time so its hard to designate who benefits from what
storm jungle
Yeee
crisp heath
True
mint hill
I suggest reading the 7th Ed chaos Deamon codex
It's got good lore about the chaos gods
About how Slaanesh gifted a mirror to Khorne, which he breaks, and repairs constantly because it's so beautiful, it pisses him off and smashes it. Then he regrets smashing it, re-crafts the mirror, gets pissed off again and smashes it.
thick shadow
Khorne is neverending murderous rage and wrath.
storm jungle
About how Slaanesh gifted a mirror to Khorne, which he breaks, and repairs const...
This is some cute stuff
💞 
crisp heath
NOOOO
storm jungle
Bye bye Flesh
alpine basalt
if you do enough killing in excess slaanesh technically benefits and so on
crisp heath
N O O O O O I I I I I O O OOO O O O O
barren tapir
TBF killing stuff benefit khorne, but since all his followers are so fuked up they don't feel pleasure killing stuff
crisp heath
^^
mint hill
Yeah, it basically talks about how Slaanesh has aspects in the other 3 gods and how once he/she starts powering up, the other 3 bring Slaanesh down
mint hill
They are not mindless, contrary to popular beleive.
alpine basalt
theres also the positive stuff benefiting the gods too which makes it even more complicated
barren tapir
They are just unthinking beasts
barren tapir
Only the berz of course
crisp heath
It's like adrenaline
mint hill
If they were unthinking beasts, they would not use, you know, tactics.
barren tapir
If they were unthinking beasts, they would not use, you know, tactics.
Berz don't use tactics
storm jungle
I love how Flesh is defending khorne one second saying hes the best god to worship, the next second he just agrees khorne's followers are mindless
thick shadow
Just kill, simple
alpine basalt
the nails are just blinding pain when they arent killing when they are actually killing they think fine
crisp heath
They are mindless
storm jungle
id rather be a plaguebearer thanks
barren tapir
Other khorne followers may use them
crisp heath
They are mindless
mint hill
Using a drop pod to land in the enemies position is known as a tactic.
storm jungle
They are mindless
Are they mindless?
crisp heath
Mindless as in always just kill
mint hill
If they were mindless, they would kill each other long before they ever got anywhere.
That's known as an Excess.
An excess of violence.
crisp heath
It's like a shock collar
barren tapir
Using a drop pod to land in the enemies position is known as a tactic.
Nah, the "tactic" is going into melee as fast as possible, and shooting your pod into the enemy formation is one way to accomplish
barren tapir
If they were mindless, they would kill each other long before they ever got anyw...
They do
thick shadow
Using a drop pod to land in the enemies position is known as a tactic.
Boreal. Steel Rain.
crisp heath
They have no control over killing
barren tapir
They are like orks in some way... If blood isn't spilled for long time they will kill each others
mint hill
Yeah, but saying they are mindless killing machines would mean they would literally no be able to form a cohesive force or do anything.
barren tapir
I'm talking about berz of course
barren tapir
Yeah, but saying they are mindless killing machines would mean they would litera...
They are incapable to do so indeed... The only way you can accomplish this is by pointing them to an enemy
storm jungle
Consider how braindead berserkers are its true
storm jungle
Braindead.
crisp heath
Literally like food or drink
storm jungle
cue Cain shooting one in the face
barren tapir
No no, braindead is correct
storm jungle
SDFLKJFDLSKJ
mint hill
Yeah, Bezerkers aren't mindless, they are just driven to close combat and fighting because it eases the 'teeth' of the nails.
barren tapir
Not all berz have butcher nails tough
alpine basalt
30k lore makes the nails alot easier to understand
crisp heath
Most do
alpine basalt
they think fine but ONLY while they kill
thick shadow
Think simple. Khorne = "Argh, fuck you all, DIE!! FFGZFVDB HH"
barren tapir
I'm pretty sure that not all of them have those nails, but my knowledge on them is not great i must admit
crisp heath
Most of the time even khorne cultists dont LOVE killing
It's like tzeentch worship
You'd probably go insane
In tzeentch from all the knowledge
In khorne from all the blood and gore
alpine basalt
alot of chaos worship seems to be accidental, most cultists seem to know barely anything about what they worship
thick shadow
I'm sure Flesh worship Tzeentch, not Khorne.
thick shadow
See? Tzeentch.
mint hill
Most cultists are just promised a better way of life once they overthrow the current government as 'chaos' isn't a widespread knowledge kind of thing.
Chaos just doesn't deliver the better lifestyle.
alpine basalt
oh you're alive? guess what that's a form of nurgle worship
mint hill
Not really.
crisp heath
If you're a daemon you'd be fine
A lesser daemon of jurgle
If you're a plague marine eh.
mint hill
Nurgle is -new life- and -decay-
storm jungle
No?
thick shadow
But he will likes if you willing to live than just die to ends all the things.
storm jungle
As a person that read the Deathguard codex thats not true
Plague Marines love their job
not to mention they are jolly gits
alpine basalt
plague marines are the happiest people in 40k
storm jungle
^
thick shadow
Yes
crisp heath
"Papa nurgle"
alpine basalt
nurgle just kinda takes away their pain
thick shadow
There's a reason why they call tgeir god as a "Papa Nurgle"
storm jungle
The lesser ones just suffer
No?
Thats the entire point of Nurgle
look at the screenshots earlier from Darktide
the pox walkers are literally smiling
mint hill
That's more of a rictus death smile though.
thick shadow
They no longer suffering
storm jungle
That's more of a rictus death smile though.
They're alive so idk
alpine basalt
nurgle is all about contentment and acceptance so all demons of nurgle are pretty happy
storm jungle
^
mint hill
Are they?
storm jungle
thick shadow
Yes
mint hill
Should have just released plauge zombies.
storm jungle
even in books Plague Marines pat Nurglings and stuff lol
mint hill
but you can't trademark space zombies.
alpine basalt
thats why i stand by nurgle being the best choice of worship
crisp heath
barren tapir
Nurlge relieve you from pain
crisp heath
Poggers
mint hill
So yeah, Pox walkers are dead.
alpine basalt
sure you look gross but you dont care about it youre just closer to papa nurgle
thick shadow
I bet there's no bullying between worshippers of Nurgle at least.
mint hill
They just have a conciousness as their organs etc don't work.
alpine basalt
I bet there's no bullying between worshippers of Nurgle at least.
yep theres a lot of companionship and brotherhood related to nurgle stuff
thick shadow
Wholesome...
crisp heath
Tell me one downside
alpine basalt
i think arguably slaanesh is the worst for the worshiper
crisp heath
^
thick shadow
But, since I want a perfect and hentais sometimes. Slaanesh is best for me.
alpine basalt
But, since I want a perfect ~~and hentais sometimes~~. Slaanesh is best for me.
pain is also an excess
storm jungle
Tell me one downside <:Wut:736952541471965234>
You're braindead.
also murder is boring
thick shadow
Don't tell this to Inquisitor or Arbites plz
storm jungle
At least plague marines are creative lol
mint hill
Slaanesh also kills people with guitar's so, I think your argument is invalid.
alpine basalt
thats fair
crisp heath
I meant in a way that affects them to slaanesh
They start out getting turned on by murder
Then its just
B L L OO OO O OO O O O O O DD D D D DD
monke noises
storm jungle
Waaagh has changed.
crisp heath
Pleasure and downright insanity are big diff
alpine basalt
every worship is like half worshiping slaanesh
crisp heath
^^^
crisp heath
But it only affects you if you worship him
thick shadow
I tought your pfp is an anime girl... but it wasn't... Monke
alpine basalt
nope its a monke
thick shadow
alpine basalt
but i mean hey the imperial pylons are a thing so at some point in the future we can just ignore them all
mint hill
If you worship chaos, you can get a gift of any god if you are not specifically dedicated.
thick shadow
you mean the weeds? Yeah, that things are good for chillin
mint hill
Not really.
alpine basalt
But it's kinda hard to be undivided
horus managed it
crisp heath
You gotta get their attention, it you're a cultist you wont get shit
mint hill
It's hard to -survive- being chaos undivided.
crisp heath
^
alpine basalt
just dont be Abaddon youll be fine
thick shadow
He broke the Cadia... 😔
crisp heath
You wont get a mutation unless you do something tremendous that puts a smile on the God's faces
mint hill
Actually, that's not true.
crisp heath
Woah really?
alpine basalt
abaddon needs to be usurped he so boring
mint hill
You can get a gift for no rhyme or reason,a nd it could just be the fact you have an extra toe, or no toes.
crisp heath
Oh yeah I meant like big mutation though
mint hill
If you do things that activly pleases the dark gods, eg, burning imperial saints/shrines you just get better/more useful gifts, you could also be turned into a spawn because chaos.
thick shadow
when you will make me highly feminine, but yet muscular, Slaanesh...
crisp heath
And you aren't like a champion to the ones that look you
You'd be spawned on
But if you're a champion and important to the others
They won't let the other god touch you I think
Tzeentch would probably be the rat bastard that would do this
mint hill
You need to be specifically dedicated to a god to not receive mutations from other gods, that doesn't mean your dedicated god will give you useful or benificial gifts.
crisp heath
It depends on the achievements
Kill enough you'd get better at killing
Infect others more and you'll do it better.
thick shadow
They just "change" you.
mint hill
Eh, being efficient at your job doesn't make it a chaos gift.
"I can now file seven reports a week instead of five, truely, tzeench has gifted me with arcane knowledge."
crisp heath
Pleasure yourself more and you'll find more heights to pleasure. (Sike)
thick shadow
It's just like s gamble
crisp heath
Tzeentch is very risky to worship
alpine basalt
I'm just waiting on Bel'lakor to shit on Abaddon and finally have chaos do something interesting
crisp heath
You gotta be insanely into staying on his good side
thick shadow
I'm just waiting on Bel'lakor to shit on Abaddon and finally have chaos do somet...
The first demon prince?
crisp heath
Yeah
alpine basalt
The first demon prince?
thats the one
crisp heath
He was more involved in fantasy
thick shadow
Yay
alpine basalt
but he is also a 40k character
crisp heath
True
In fantasy he was kinda the main villain
He literally lied to the 4 gods about a prophecy
Became a chaos norscan
storm jungle
Nah he was just a chaos special character
crisp heath
Fathered archaon
storm jungle
he basically became red skull from infinity war
aka having the thing he wanted so close to him
crisp heath
And made sure archaon would be the end times bringer
storm jungle
but all he can do is guard it
mint hill
I haven't heard of Belakor in any 40k stuff
alpine basalt
abaddon was supposed to be his equivalent in 40k but all abaddon has done is fail 13 crusades and lose a sword fight to a guy with a staff in robes
crisp heath
Bel'akor is probably the direct reason for the end times too lmao
alpine basalt
Bel'akor is probably the direct reason for the end times too lmao
he is
storm jungle
Where are you
crisp heath
He literally pulled a star platinum and manipulated time whenever archaon did another thing
He was basically archaon until the end times
alpine basalt
once they bring bel'lakor into 40k more we could actually see some interesting chaos stuff happening
crisp heath
^
storm jungle
He was basically archaon until the end times
Nah he was always a side character
fantasy didnt really have a main villain until archaon showed up
crisp heath
Yeah
storm jungle
or that skeletor loser Nagash
alpine basalt
nagash went out like a chump imagine not being setra the imperishable
crisp heath
In the end if bel'akor didn't lie it probably would've been dandy for awhile.
But no
He just wanted to become a 5th chosen god
storm jungle
nagash went out like a chump imagine not being setra the imperishable
Poor Settra
alpine basalt
i mean wouldnt you though
crisp heath
Eh
storm jungle
oh yeah absolutely
crisp heath
He did it before
storm jungle
just chill and have stupid mortals worship you
crisp heath
And tzeentch just shat on his face
storm jungle
its the best
crisp heath
Literally he would've probably became one
Since he was insanely strong
And had worlds
alpine basalt
Poor Settra
idk settra went out fighting all of the chaos hoards single handedly out of spite and even then he died because the planet he was fighting on fucking exploded
crisp heath
But then tzeentch saw what was coming
storm jungle
idk settra went out fighting all of the chaos hoards single handedly out of spit...
Thats what i mean
now hes just gone
crisp heath
And smacked a turd on him
mint hill
Eh, The sword that killed Nagash to be fair was pure magic. And he was ina coked out daze.
storm jungle
I hope Settra and Grimgor return one day
crisp heath
That's such a gay way to die
mint hill
Basically, imagine doing lines of warp dust and some dude with a magic moon sword came out of the shadows to gank you.
storm jungle
if that loser Sigvald can so can they
alpine basalt
now hes just gone
no now hes a minor character that got killed almost immediately in age of sigmar
storm jungle
no now hes a minor character that got killed almost immediately in age of sigmar
AND THATS STUPID
crisp heath
Wait who killed him again?
alpine basalt
which is beyond stupid
crisp heath
I forgot?@mint hill
barren tapir
It also take all the grey seers council magic to bring nagash down, even in a weakened state
mint hill
Forgot which?
storm jungle
Nagash got stabbed in his mortal form by a former king of nehekarra
mint hill
No, it was a human who killed nagash every time.
storm jungle
but it was the skaven that gave him the blade
crisp heath
Ooooh
thick shadow
The one who successfully managed to become a god is a Great Horned Rat (maybe)
storm jungle
Horned Rat sucks
crisp heath
Skaven got the best ending in end times
crisp heath
why you always have to bully my gods : (
alpine basalt
they just named him settrus made him a stormcast and went "yeah we've done enough with this character"
mint hill
It was a prince from somewhere, I can't remember who was given the warpstone blade that slew Nagash the second time(?) First time Sigmar ganked him with Garl maraz
storm jungle
they just named him settrus made him a stormcast and went "yeah we've done enoug...
That was so shitty
storm jungle
It was a prince from somewhere, I can't remember who was given the warpstone bla...
and yeah past nehekarran king
crisp heath
Balthasar Gelt also had a shite ending
alpine basalt
i mean balthasar gelt was one of the most powerful magicians ever when he died which was pretty cool
mint hill
Yeah, he was pretty great for a necromancer.
alpine basalt
i miss bel'lakor being cool :((
mint hill
Eh, like, 90% of the named chaos characters were lame.
thick shadow
Well, at least his model is cool
alpine basalt
he was with the iron warriors invading the phalanx and they just kinda forgot about him
cadia was the most recent thing hes done
thick shadow
I like his skull-ish face by the way.
alpine basalt
although i guess if bel'lakor was a major player it would be both fantasy and 40k with the same main chaos villain
storm jungle
Eh, like, 90% of the named chaos characters were lame.
All Minus Wulfrik
The Shit-talker
thick shadow
A true everchosen!
alpine basalt
probably shouldve been everchosen honestly
anyone know the most recent event in 40k timeline wise?
mint hill
A battle happened.
primal tide
Some people got turned into servitors
atomic pelican
they just named him settrus made him a stormcast and went "yeah we've done enoug...
Settrus isnt settra confirmed by nagash yo
rotund siren
now you're pulling my leg
mint hill
But honestly no idea I was reading something where they rolled the timeline back 100ish years from dark vengence.
So the timeline isn't 200 years after the great rift, but like 12
alpine basalt
Settrus isnt settra confirmed by nagash yo
hah they retconned it author said he thought it was a good sendoff for the character after the book he died came out
i thought the primaris stuff was most recent but that happened a bit ago
storm jungle
anyone know the most recent event in 40k timeline wise?
Necron-boyz made a nexus
it was some weird satanic shit
Marines came out on top
Also the galaxy is still split in half
alpine basalt
also imperial pylons are a thing at some point? i think thats recent
storm jungle
Ah no
that was Cadia: Gathering Storm stuff
same tech tho since it was necron property
alpine basalt
i know they were trying to replicate them
the necron pylons on cadia are old but i remember somewhere they were trying to replicate them or something
im probably wrong but i just remember reading that somewhere
barren tapir
i know they were trying to replicate them
A renegade inquisitor managed to do that a lot before the fall of cadia, but he got killed and his work destroyed
I think it was m36
thick shadow
Just wait 'till our Caul do some "invention" again!
alpine basalt
ah gotcha so old stuff
atomic pelican
Funny enough tho I believe the Gelt-esque char in AoS WAS confirmed to actually be gelt, also by nagash
thick shadow
Seems like Nagash knows all
storm jungle
Nice, that means when Total War age of sigmar comes out we can continue the memes
WELCOME TO HYSH GENTLEMEN
atomic pelican
Nagash is a oldie
crisp heath
Why aren't there chaos inquisitors?
mint hill
Kinda wish they just killed off old characters and not promote them to godhood.
alpine basalt
age of sigmar is so booooring
thick shadow
That a bald, bullied by Sigmar himself!
storm jungle
Why aren't there chaos inquisitors?
Thats like saying why isnt there arsonist firemen
atomic pelican
In the bane voice. for you
mint hill
Because Inquisitors work for the throne of Terra.
crisp heath
As in inquisitors turned chaos
storm jungle
There is
mint hill
They can -fall- to chaos
storm jungle
they just die lol
mint hill
but they generally get hunted down and murdidlyurdered.
alpine basalt
As in inquisitors turned chaos
probably but grey knight usually shoot people before that happens
storm jungle
Cease living
storm jungle
probably but grey knight usually shoot people before that happens
Yeeee this
Inquisitors watch each other really closely, the moment one falls they just track them down and kill em
crisp heath
Aren't inquisitors that are fallen really dangerous?
Due to the power and position and whatnot?
alpine basalt
grey knights are less of a protecting force and more of a mobile army of executioners
mint hill
Mmmm... Depends.
Generally, when they first fall, yes
Because no one knows they turned to chaos
After that brief window then their danger fallsaway as they get all their shit quickly stuffed by assassins etc
alpine basalt
yeah also imperial assassins are ridiculous so they can get taken out relatively quickly even if its on a hunch
mint hill
Basically the longer an inquisitor is left 'rogue' the less power they have as they can't use that black mastercard anymore.
storm jungle
mint hill
"The Inquisition demands this battlebarge fly's to terra to get me a sandwich"
storm jungle
Its why being a popular and rational inquisitors is usually better
unless
you're named something like
DARKHAMMER
thick shadow
Or GW just doesn't wsnts to make a character or lore of an Inquisitor that fell to chaos, so far
alpine basalt
**DARKHAMMER**
my favorite good guy
alpine basalt
inquisitors have the most extra names
thick shadow
At least it's not a Dankhammer
alpine basalt
i introduced a friend to 40k and now all he does is rant about how poorly written the big E is
alpine basalt
malcador is super chad
all he knows is what i rant about while playing dawn of war ultimate apocalypse
so mostly tyrranids and space marines with a little bit of chaos and imperial guard
alpine basalt
i keep forgetting his name but what was the first daemon to show up in the horus heressy?
samus
it was samus
primal tide
Samus is the man behind you
crisp heath
Nah I'm pretty sure its ridley
thick shadow
Aren't that one is from the quite recent Iron Hands lore?
primal tide
Samus possessed luna wolves legionary jubal
Loken had to put him down
Everyone was like what the FUCK was that
alpine basalt
yeah samus was in a mountain on a planet the luna wolves were sieging and it killed a shit ton of marines
thick shadow
guess there's more than one samus or something
alpine basalt
but horus covered it all up
primal tide
Somewhat covered it up, somewhat wrote it off because he wasn't there personally
thick shadow
What was the old Cadia's one though?
alpine basalt
i mean samus came back and fought on the battle for terra but thats the most recent hes been
he looks kindof like a red werewolf
plucky moth
damn, metroid has changed a lot huh
thick shadow
oh no, yet another wolf
alpine basalt
What was the old Cadia's one though?
he invaded the phalanx during the battle for terra so you probably mixed up the demon invasions of the phalanx
alpine basalt
tzeentch is more of a concept than a god
primal tide
That's what he wants you to think
alpine basalt
That's what he wants you to think
or is it?
primal tide
Exactly
atomic pelican
Its really funny knowing abt tzeentch and lore and then seeing tzeentch minis being just, funny blue men group
Or flying flamer critters
alpine basalt
mmmmm big bird :))
atomic pelican
funny birdy
primal tide
Caw caw I tell the future
thick shadow
Bird or Ray or Tentacle blob
crisp heath
Tzeentch is basically a lovecraftian creature
thick shadow
Pretty much
alpine basalt
he just confuses people for the lols
thick shadow
And probably confused by himself too.
plucky moth
Tzeentch is just that dude who tries thinking multiple steps ahead in a chess match and ends up in a thought loop
alpine basalt
that would actually make him absurdly powerful
just creating his own confusion loop with himself
atomic pelican
Tzeentch has schrodingers smoothbrain, both infinitely wrinkled, and perfectly frictionless at the same time
alpine basalt
if he doesnt know what his plans are how would you know what they are
alpine basalt
tzeench just out here winging it probably why all his units are birds
thick shadow
And that's why Magnus said "understand Tzeentch" to Ahriman and kicked off him from the home...
plucky moth
"The enemy can't know what we're doing if we don't even know"
thick shadow
alpine basalt
i never really thought of russ as odin tbh
believe it or not he felt more like Fenrir
thick shadow
Same
alpine basalt
Alpharius only 9 feet tall lmao
thick shadow
It's good for blend in
primal tide
How short you are grandma
All the better to stab you, my dear
alpine basalt
It's good for blend in
hes still just barely tall enough to stand out in a crowd of Astartes so its not even good for that
primal tide
What if magnus was alpharius and omegon in a trench coat all along
alpine basalt
adds up
crisp heath
Tzeentch would make you insane just by telling you barely a friction of his knowledge
kind dove
He just whispers shitty dad puns in your ear for eternity
alpine basalt
tzeentch doesn't feel as concrete as the other gods and yes i know that's the point but he feels less like a god and more like a really powerful concept
kind dove
-when you get a haircut, you cut all the hairs
crisp heath
He feels sentient
kind dove
-how do you get a squirrel. Act like a nut
crisp heath
Like literally he probably knows everything that was, That is, And that will be.
That's why his plans never end
mint hill
Tzeench is based on change, but is mostly done off of magic
mint hill
No, only Kyros knows the future and past
atomic pelican
Idk abt 40k, but in AoS/WHFB, he used to be less insane but got split into shards. Formerly the most powerful of the chaos gods. So hes def sentient
mint hill
the fateweaver dude
crisp heath
Even his sorcerers can see the future@mint hill
mint hill
Yes, but not to the same extent.
And seeing the future doesn't make it true as if you know what it is, you can change it.
And thus, ruins what the future is.
crisp heath
Tzeentch is never ending
mint hill
it's why Kiros has two heads, one see's the future, the other sees the past
crisp heath
Thus why his nemesis is nurgle
mint hill
He's also a Chaos Aquila.
crisp heath
Nurgle is rot and decay
alpine basalt
nurgle just chillin
atomic pelican
Big boys gotta rot
crisp heath
Being a succe worshipper of tzeentch would have unlimited libraries of knowledge
That would make even the most non heretical knowledgeable person go MAD just by looking at it
It's the unseen knowledge
The knowledge that could not be seen
alpine basalt
worshipping tzeentch seems like a pain he just decides he doesnt like the way you worship so he sends you into the heart of a great unclean one just because
kind dove
Khaldor Drago just reading tzeenchian books in the warp Ina big comfy recliner
crisp heath
Dilara just wants me to suffer in eternal non-khornite torment
alpine basalt
khaldor drago is an ork that painted his skin
crisp heath
Tzeentch is the best if you are looking for knowledge and wisdom
You just gotta be his best friend
primal tide
Purple
alpine basalt
i dont think thatd work with just how ork ideology is
crisp heath
Tzeentch beastmen: "Ah yes 2 dead man and 2 dead man makes many dead man"
plucky moth
Orks who know all the universe's knowledge but are too dumb to understand any of it
alpine basalt
thats just weirdboyz
kind dove
I had a theory: Orks “evolve” their tech as threats increase. If they faced a true existential threat, would they turn back into Krorks?
mint hill
Driago is shitty writing at it's finest...
alpine basalt
I had a theory: Orks “evolve” their tech as threats increase. If they faced a tr...
i think they just degraded with time
kind dove
But can they “evolve” back to that level? It seems there is no cap to their tech “evolution”
mint hill
Orks tech has been stated as getting better with the number of orks and materials they can use. So, the more metal and 'scrap' etc they get their hands on, the better their shit becomes.
alpine basalt
Driago is shitty writing at it's finest...
tis' i cato sicarius the strongestest and bestestest ultramarine every who will win every battle for the glory of the ultramarines
plucky moth
basically Dakka is a self-sustaining machine
mint hill
I thought that was Calgar.
kind dove
Orks only make weapons to the extent of their enemy though.
Like a feudal planet they won’t all of a sudden make shootas
alpine basalt
But can they “evolve” back to that level? It seems there is no cap to their tech...
orks improving just has to do with how big the waagh is if the waagh was big enough theyd surpass krorks
mint hill
Well.. It's more Orks don't use blueprints so they can't make the same thing over and over if it gets more and more complex.
kind dove
I don’t think it has anything to do with the Waaagh, more the opposition they face
plucky moth
aye isn't their whole power level essentially a massive positive feedback loop?
alpine basalt
Like a feudal planet they won’t all of a sudden make shootas
nah they have the want to make guns encoded into their dna
kind dove
^^ what Incan said
primal tide
In a feudal world they'd make crossbows
mint hill
Orks do not mine/smelt etc, they fight.
primal tide
And no go further with it unless someone shows up with a gun
kind dove
Like if the tyranid eventually wipe the Galaxy, are the orks going to start making mech suits again like when they were Krorks?
mint hill
So, it's not that they can't make guns, it's that they have no labour force to -get that shit- so they can make guns.
plucky moth
like, in theory, they could actually be like the warp incarnate if given the opportunity to get to that point
alpine basalt
the old ones put dedicated roles into the dna of orks thats why some just decide to be engineers and some want to be psykers they are likerally genetically coded to make guns
primal tide
gun
That's a weird way to spell CHOPPA
mint hill
they'll make archers
kind dove
^
plucky moth
a shoota that shoots choppas 
mint hill
and trbuchets/catapults and doom divers.
kind dove
It’s crazy to think that orks are basically uncapped potential
And 40k isn’t scary enough as is for them to get even tougher
alpine basalt
Not if they never face someone with a gun
they dont get inspired by what they see they literally are coded to make guns thats why even with how nebulous the orks are they always have similar vehicles and weapons even if two warbands have never met theyd have pretty much the same general gear
kind dove
To where they used to be
mint hill
They are capped potential though. Their potential only grows if they have slaves to do menial shit.
kind dove
Dope, they won’t make guns if they don’t find a threat worthy of a good fight that needs shootahs
primal tide
Orks only employ a similar level of technology as their current enemies, to make the most fun fight
kind dove
^Dope not understand this point
primal tide
I know
mint hill
Grots only do stuff when orks are there to kick them into doing it. It's the snotlings that raise squigs/fungus/boys/etc that makes their ecosystem and no one beats them to do it.
plucky moth
they're kinda idiot savants in terms of how they work
cerulean wagon
@plucky moth ye its a power feedback loop, thats why that inquiditor got executed for pitting orks against nids
mint hill
That inquisitor was cryptman wasn't it?
kind dove
@cerulean wagon it makes you think that never ending war will push the orks to some crazy evolutionary extreme
Yeah Cryptman
alpine basalt
i know your guys' point but a major point of ork lore is that the old ones put all the blueprints of krork weapons and vehicles into their dna so they always try to recreate the same gear to the best of their current ability
plucky moth
if 40k ever had an End Times the Orks would pop off
mint hill
He was executed for exterminatus of like, 40+ planets.
not for pitting orks against nids
kind dove
TBF he turned the hive fleet /s
primal tide
i know your guys' point but a major point of ork lore is that the old ones put a...
Yes, we know that. However, they can't access it on demand, that knowledge unlocks when they face more powerful foes
cerulean wagon
@alpine basalt except not always, you do get primitive orks (see: snakebites)
kind dove
It’s be so awesome if the threat made them back into Krorks
primal tide
40k end times
mint hill
There will never be such a threat
kind dove
Primaris Krorks
mint hill
Because the orks have to -survive- to reach that point, Orks are a meatgrinder they all die
they just keep getting replaced
alpine basalt
~~Primaris~~ Krorks
what about those orks invading khornes planet in the warp
cerulean wagon
they also need to not fight themselves
mint hill
They all die every day
alpine basalt
khorne made them immortals so they keep fighting an infinite battle
kind dove
They are stuck in a chaos loop. They all die and are resurrected day after day by Khorne. They don’t evolve cuz of warp shenanigans
mint hill
And then get resserected to fight again the next day
primal tide
There will never be such a threat
The only threat that would cause orks to go back to being krorks would be if 40k stops selling and gw needs skaven orks to stab-kill krump the planet universe
alpine basalt
40k end times is just the rest of the tyranid hive fleets arriving
mint hill
Won't happen as they'd need a leader to lead them all. And that's when the imperium just flies a 'ancient spaceship' that wa slying around and detonate it's warp drive.
kind dove
It’s crazy to think Necrons/Nids aren’t enough a threat to push the Orks to the next level
primal tide
40k end times is just the rest of the tyranid hive fleets arriving
Or all the necrons waking up, or the emp achieving full apotheosis, etc
mint hill
Like, 60-70% of imperium problems is solved by detonating warp drives on massive spaceships.
alpine basalt
Or all the necrons waking up, or the emp achieving full apotheosis, etc
those are big too but we have genuinely no idea how many tyranids there are all we know is that they seem to be surrounding us on all sides
kind dove
I need this army
primal tide
We also don't know how many necrons there are, or how powerful the emp could be if he is fully unleashed into the warp
alpine basalt
We also don't know how many necrons there are, or how powerful the emp could be ...
the anathema is technically a chaos god right?
primal tide
Ehhhhh
alpine basalt
hes in the same kindof area as them i guess
primal tide
Not really, there's a lot of similarities but right now he's still shackled to the materium
alpine basalt
not quite a chaos god but hes still there
well depending on how that works malice would probably keep him in check
primal tide
Malice is non canon
Except in age of sigmar, where he's rebranded as the great horned rat lul
kind dove
I wonder if emps doesnt let go cuz he’d get ripped to shreds in the warp
primal tide
Or if he just can't even if he wanted to
kind dove
^
alpine basalt
I wonder if emps doesnt let go cuz he’d get ripped to shreds in the warp
theres a portal in the core of terra that hes keeping closed i though?
kind dove
I think they retconned the hole in the webway under terra closed by the Custodes
alpine basalt
they mightve idk
primal tide
I believe so
atomic pelican
Malice is non canon
Sounds like something malice would say
alpine basalt
malice was kindof too strong a concept to keep cannon tbh
primal tide
Tzeench would tell malice he's not real, and this knowledge would make it both true and not true
kind dove
Malal is canon though right?
primal tide
No
alpine basalt
theyre the same
primal tide
Malal = malice
mint hill
Malal is hinted at in a story.
primal tide
They de-canoned it because gw doesn't own it
alpine basalt
malal gets stronger as the other gods get stronger its just kinda weird
primal tide
Hinted but they'll never actually make it a real thing again
mint hill
Malal was the concept of self oblivion/destruction
kind dove
Isn’t there a CSM chapter Sons of Malal/Malice?
mint hill
So basically, suicidal tendancies
primal tide
Self-opposition
alpine basalt
theres no real way to oppose the necrons so somethings gonna have to happen with that eventually
primal tide
Snooze button would do the trick
crisp heath
Malal is basically mehrunes Dagon from the elder scrolls
God of destruction
Just utter destruction
alpine basalt
no purpose he just tryna press delete
kind dove
What’s the current lore on why the necrons went to sleep after war in heaven? Cuz they were losing to the Eldar/Old gods creations (which I think is old lore) or some other reason
mint hill
There is a way to oppose the Necrons, It's called, blowing up everything.
atomic pelican
Furiously shoving necrons back into their Tempurpedic(tm) Tomb for sleepy time
primal tide
They went to sleep because everything was trashed and they wanted to fast forward out of it
alpine basalt
There is a way to oppose the Necrons, It's called, blowing up everything.
well necrons just keep self healing so that wouldnt really work great
mint hill
I don't know the new lore, the old lore was, the C'tan ate nearly all life and had to let the universe repopulate
cerulean wagon
@alpine basalt they can only self heal up to a point
mint hill
you blow up the tomb worlds and a necron warrior floating in space isn't much of a threat.
kind dove
So weird. You think with no opposition they’d just take over the Galaxy and let things grow back
primal tide
They kinda did
kind dove
Instead of hibernate
mint hill
The C'tan were eating eachother.
so they called it winter break so their food could re-grow
primal tide
Sounds like old lore
alpine basalt
it was nap time okay
primal tide
Hard to eat when you're just a shard in a pokeball 
barren tapir
They did go to sleep because they were weakened by their revolt aganist the c'tan and the old tools of the old ones (eldar in primis) were after them
kind dove
It was the Eldar, badass.
barren tapir
They weren't the only one, but they were for sure the strongest and more organized of all the new races
kind dove
Krorks too!
mint hill
Yeah, The Eldar were so powerful, they beat the C'tan (necrons), then jerked out a chaos god and defeated themselves.
barren tapir
The C'tan were shattered by the necrons
mint hill
There.
barren tapir
And they weren't really powerful, they had a great connection to the warp, which was quite effective aganist the necrons and the c'tans
For the brawn there were the krorks
The eldar were the mind
mint hill
I mean, The Eldar had phychic abilities, and could travel anywhere in the universe through the webway, as well as actually being a numerous race
kind dove
The Jokaero were the.... Jokaero
barren tapir
There is a reason why the eldar try to kill all the necrons they can while the latter are still awakening... They know that the necrons would crush them quite easily
It looks like there is someone in the imperium that doesn't look at tech as religious stuff... Good... Really good
mint hill
well yeah, the eldar are a shadow of their former power
barren tapir
well yeah, the eldar are a shadow of their former power
Like mankind, and probably orks
mint hill
Nah, Mankind still has the power, just not the technology
barren tapir
Interesting POV
mint hill
They aren't throwing black hole singularities or, making things occupy the same space twice to destroyitself but I mean, they have th enumbers
and while they don't have dark age tech, they still have -good- tech
crisp heath
Dan anyone literally explain this
primal tide
Slaanesh knows how to party baby
primal tide
Worship chaos and so some nasty shit
Get some laer-inspired organs or liquid put into your body by fabulous bill
You know, the usual chaos stuff
mint hill
No Coffee in the 41 milennium
Slaanesh is mostly about sensations and stimulation. So the black eyes/multiple eyes is meant oa bsorb more information. The tongue is based off the tongue of the seekers of Slaanesh (which int he old realm to chaos book was a common mutation) WHich was coated with a poison.
The exposed flesh is apperently 'just a slaanesh thing' because it's meme'd that Slaanesh warriors apperently need no armor.
storm jungle
What actions do they do to achieve this
Its the same rule as any chaos worship
Venerate them and you get mutations
In the case of this guy he has done some hardcore shit to reach that position.
crisp heath
So.
If you are a sadistic lad that isn't really into sexual stuff
You look like these things
?correct?
That's so god damn weird and eerie
storm jungle
It doesnt matter what you want, sexual stuff or not you're gonna get mutations.
Its pretty much inevitable
crisp heath
Well beastmen are sexual but not in a good way....
Reading their lore is very dark and disgusting.
crisp heath
True
I wanted to have a half centigore half manticore
As in manticore head and centigore body
storm jungle
Didnt pray hard enough
storm jungle
Never
they are virgins psychologically
so the idea of anything sexual to them is "new" but "weird"
last rune
even slaanesh space marines?
storm jungle
Those are chaos space marines
and they pound people to cocaine and snort them for lolz
so yeah they probably do, not like its a good thing
last rune
lol
storm jungle
kek
crisp heath
I doubt they will tbh
Since space marines are stripped from sexual thoughts and barely even pleasure
They are good at killing
storm jungle
Yeah i said that above
atomic pelican
No sex, only rock and roll noise marines
crisp heath
Noise matjnes have specified earpods that hear their targets scream
crisp heath
No sex, only rock and roll noise marines
You know it
Mostly the cultists are about the sex and drugs
storm jungle
Thats GW trying to be PG13 so i doubt it lol
atomic pelican
Most of that stuff is oldhammer iirc
storm jungle
Gore is fine.
Dont show sexuality
last rune
Daemonculaba is a pg 13?
storm jungle
Gore is fine.
Dont show sexuality
crisp heath
We always see them enjoy a good torture
storm jungle
its pretty stupid but its the truth
last rune
where you from? slaanesh country?
crisp heath
The genitalia thing is for cultists and daemons
The marines dont get that mutations I think
storm jungle
Which marines?
storm jungle
Slaanesh marines get mutations, you posted a picture yourself above
crisp heath
Yeah but I meant
Like sexual mutations
It's probably GW trying to keep the manly marine
And not delve into something weird
mint hill
It's not recorded in official GW cannon.
atomic pelican
Highly doubt, most Slaanesh stuff is more about excess(in most cases, excess in torture/pain as a emotion)
crisp heath
^^^
atomic pelican
That's why daemonettes have pinchers and stuff
crisp heath
Noise marines have literal torture senses that help them feel better
storm jungle
Yeah its GW trying to keep it PG13
atomic pelican
I'm ok with that, that's one of those subjects that kills series
crisp heath
It kinda makes sense too
atomic pelican
Like violence vs kids in games for example
mint hill
Noise marines are always so brightly colored because they have short attention spans to things that are 'bland'
storm jungle
Warhammer fantasy for example had minor references to sex and stuff, along with the r-word
crisp heath
Things that aren't at their level of experience
storm jungle
so GW has toned it down since then
storm jungle
I loved it lol
atomic pelican
Bad for the series
storm jungle
Nah it was fine
atomic pelican
Not the sexual stuff really just the rape lol
atomic pelican
that's one of those Topics that most good folks won't involve themselves in
to any regard
storm jungle
Again it fits the setting and a single book mention them like once
storm jungle
Fimir!
atomic pelican
Yess
storm jungle
FIMIR
mint hill
They were reptile cyclopses
atomic pelican
Fimir yus
mint hill
Yeah, Fimir
storm jungle
YEEE FIMIR
crisp heath
Yeah like I said
storm jungle
Poor guys lol
crisp heath
The beastiality thing is really disgusting tbh
mint hill
The didn't worship Chaos hard enough
atomic pelican
Luckily the beastmen were basically just chaos-flavored cannon fodder
mint hill
The old Forest
crisp heath
The darkest moment
storm jungle
Also Aun
mint hill
An eclipse.
storm jungle
i was reading the beastmen codex for AOS the other day
atomic pelican
yess
crisp heath
Hellpit isn't really dark
storm jungle
and it just mentions slaaneshi beastmen being nicknamed "breeders"
atomic pelican
Beasts of Chaos
storm jungle
👀
atomic pelican
they be fuckin
I don't mind sexual themes It's just bad business to have r stuff in because uh
yeah
It's one of those topics
mint hill
But there's not really a pivotal single 'darkest hour' thing.
crisp heath
Yeah true^
storm jungle
Yeeee thats the thing with fantasy back in the day
Assholes like dark elves and beastmen do horrific shit lol
atomic pelican
Old fantasy was REALLY bad
storm jungle
Oh come on
atomic pelican
Like, comically bad
mint hill
Nah
atomic pelican
ex) pygmies
mint hill
Pygmies are bad but halflings are not?
crisp heath
I remember something about malakith summoning a keeper of secrets
storm jungle
I didnt really mind the mild sexuality, it literally gets mentioned in like 1 word in most books.
atomic pelican
uh, yes.