#40k-lore-chat

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vast frigate
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The emperor knew every custodian personally

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didnt care much for them beyond the logic that they were his perfect marines, but harder to produce

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But he knew them all

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nah fuck that give the emperors last orders to the fancy silver nerds

vagrant osprey
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There's the custodes, and then there's the companions

vast frigate
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Oh that oils the abs

vagrant osprey
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The Companions he tweaked personally. They went with him everywhere, and he actually joked around with them.

vast frigate
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geab

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Yeah*

vagrant osprey
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The regular custodes he knew, but he dgaf

vast frigate
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also remember that just because GW shows it now doesnt mean normal marines dont have character

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they have a rigorous life of training yes, but they also have hobbies etcetera

vagrant osprey
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The companions have been acting on the Emperor's orders the entire time. The eyes of the Emperor and the like

vast frigate
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which is hilarious cause im imagening a marine practicing music

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well the eyes of the emperor have been broadened in meaning

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Theyre custodes whom retired

vagrant osprey
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Oh, they have hobbies and stuff. Well, some chapters do.

vast frigate
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most marines have personal interests they pursue in their free hour of daily relaxation

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''relaxation''

vagrant osprey
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Yes. They're people who retired from being an ageless immortal warrior for being "too old"

vast frigate
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well sort of?

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they do it themselves

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''fuck jimmy i spotted your blade 0.001 second later than i did years ago. Guess im gonna retire''

vagrant osprey
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Or being too injured to serve. Via crippling combat injuries sustained in the imperial palace.

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Or, rather, in "the imperial palace". Which they officially never leave.

vast frigate
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i mean, they ''never leave''

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taking to mars for groceries?

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idk what a mars is, this is the imperial palace on a dusty red part of earth clearly

storm jungle
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Im here to say 4chan isnt neutral lol, you'd be surprised how many backward minded people infest that shit-site

odd sparrow
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Oh yeah 4chan is v shitpost alt righty. It's a lot more tolerable on the non crappy boards but still

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V explicitly not neutral

storm jungle
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Absolutely, theres nice people but 90% is filled with assholes

odd sparrow
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Ppl can never be trusted with anonymity tbh

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Just ever

storm jungle
vernal belfry
odd sparrow
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Ok nick

thick shadow
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-elodian is evil

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The canceler of many

buoyant crypt
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i can be trusted

last rune
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guys, T'au sterilize humans who join them?

atomic pelican
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no

last rune
atomic pelican
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FHNFUHN

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For a better explanation, it was in a non-canon DoW ending

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But doesn't appear elsewhere + other Gue'Vesa stuff implies that they are free to procreate and stuff

dark scarab
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but why procreate if it only means more tau supporters

atomic pelican
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Living life where your only food isn't ground up corpses

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FNFHN

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Or other imperial garbo

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I have this theory that Imperials are so xenophobic because basically every xeno civilian life is better than their's in almost every function

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Except for like, tyrannids and stuff but those are just funny bugs

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sdfhndfnh

dark scarab
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i thinki it was because 90% of aliens tried to kill/convert to chaos/eat humans at first contact

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besides there's plenty of xenos species that live in imperial space

atomic pelican
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Yee the ones that just got untouched I think/deemed not worthy of hunting or w/e

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The minor ones

dark scarab
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they jsut get told to not make any trouble if they dont want to get genocided

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not even that

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they're literally left alone because they're not considered a threat

atomic pelican
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Yee

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Better hope that your planet doesn't have a resource on it tho

dark scarab
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or what

cerulean wagon
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if it does they can still like

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like jokaroes

dark scarab
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you're gonna be able to export it to rogue traders?

atomic pelican
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god I love jokaeros

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funny monke

cerulean wagon
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who live in imperial space fine

rotund siren
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funny tinker mone

cerulean wagon
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and get to be well sought after for their goods

rotund siren
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make high tech

atomic pelican
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hehehe monke go engineer

dark scarab
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you forget there is an entire job position about trading with aliens

cerulean wagon
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its a bit more then that, but yes

rotund siren
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Mechanicus: You can't just make new technology!
Jokaero: Hehe, laser ring go BZZZZT!

atomic pelican
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ZZZT

cerulean wagon
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remember the imperium tried diplomacy with tyranids once

rotund siren
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lmao what

cerulean wagon
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Nids used to have a subserviant race called zoats

atomic pelican
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Oh wow

dark scarab
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they got eaten

cerulean wagon
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they were used as envoys

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they got eaten after attempting a rebellion

atomic pelican
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Old WHF zoats transferred or something different just same name?

cerulean wagon
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pmuch the same but a different roal

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role#

atomic pelican
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Ik that GW tried to transfer a bunch of WHF species into 40k and then just killed them

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ahh ayt ye

dark scarab
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transferred then squatted

cerulean wagon
rotund siren
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F

atomic pelican
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Oh that's acool model

cerulean wagon
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their new model

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from blackstone fortres iirc

atomic pelican
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Niceo

primal tide
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I'm glad that gw has finally answered the question "where would a centaur's beer belly be?"

atomic pelican
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Now they just need to answer the jeans question

primal tide
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Haha

atomic pelican
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6 pages of debate in 40klore about how a zoat wears pants

primal tide
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On his head, duh

atomic pelican
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sdfsdf

primal tide
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You gotta be pants on head if you're gonna work for tyranids

last rune
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the emperor was not xenophobic?

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sorry

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wasn't the emperor xenophobic

odd sparrow
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Big E was v much always both human and biological supremacist. AI bad, aliens bad, humanity dominant at all costs

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he was also wildly autocratic and stuff

atomic pelican
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big e was a lil bitch

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I'd fist fight him

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and win.

odd sparrow
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the big thing is he wasn't religious in the slightest tho. Like, all his fuckery was due to believing that there was legitimately no other path for humanity's survival, not the whole THIS SCRIPTURE SAYS THE XENOS MUST BE PURGED UWU~ that happened after his not-death

last rune
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sorry for the syntax errors, i speak portuguese and i`m drunk

atomic pelican
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It's ok king

odd sparrow
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^

last rune
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lol

primal tide
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We are all drunk portuguese on this blessed day of days

last rune
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I'm not portugueses indeed

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Brazilian KEKW

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*portuguese

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better be a drunk portuguese than a brazilian

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but i`m not

dark scarab
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don't worry

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the portugese have to deal with the fact people know more about brazil than they do about portugal

atomic pelican
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I've got a portugese friend, I refer to Portugal as "Spain 2" to get a rise

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It's funny

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sdfhundfhn

dark scarab
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i refer to mine as a discount brazilian

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he agrees

vagrant osprey
# atomic pelican For a better explanation, it was in a non-canon DoW ending

It's not even that. It was a proposal to temporarily administer birth control until the food aid had arrived, and they had finished their census and medical treatment of the civilians.
Even in the over-the-top DoW endings that are supposed to be absurd and silly grimdark, the Tau's 'dark secret' was... that they had a somewhat unpalatable but completely sensible proposal to start stabilizing the area. Tau are just kinda boring like that.

atomic pelican
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Yee u right, It's just NC anyways so w/e

serene eagle
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the Big E is actually not a good guy

last rune
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well , their race dont have freewill just etheral this is a little bad but, well... Imperium population too

serene eagle
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unlike Gulliman (yes the Smurfs have warmed to me recently)

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it will be really interesting to see what happens if Big E every was actually revivable

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Gulliman has to be aware that E will take humanity on another wild crusade

atomic pelican
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Ethereal mind control isn't canon, or at least isn't confirmed

serene eagle
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Etherial mind control is 100% canon but it's more subtle than that

atomic pelican
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uhh

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no

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fudhnfuhdn

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It's mentioned vaguely in xenology which is a imperial propaganda piece essentially

last rune
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not mindcontrol but pheromone control

atomic pelican
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that too

serene eagle
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Etherials as a species are expert diplomats and leaders, and also have a subtle pheromone ability that influences others (but its not the main reason they can mind control you)

atomic pelican
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That's not confirmed homie

serene eagle
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Etherials Mind control you by convincing you you are wrong

atomic pelican
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that's.. persuasion?

serene eagle
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its like the Liu Bei effect

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they are so persuasive that it becomes sinister in its own way

last rune
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they are more "persuasive"

serene eagle
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or the Big Boss effect, or whatever you want to call it

atomic pelican
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It's moreso that the Tau'Va is just a better way of living to the people they assimilate (Imperial citizens)

serene eagle
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on a surface level these are Heroic individuals that inspire great sacrifice

atomic pelican
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You don't really have to be super persuasive when you just offer a better life.

last rune
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but this didnt work in humans just T'au race right?

serene eagle
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but like holy shit are they able to convince anyone to lay down their life for htem

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and they do, frquently

atomic pelican
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uh

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there's like one example I can think of that

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Which is Aun'Va's "kys"

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FNDFND

serene eagle
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I mean your name is literally "Tau Fanboy" effectively so not sure why I'm discusssing it with you

atomic pelican
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homie

serene eagle
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lets move to a metanarrative level

atomic pelican
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you get your lore from 1d4chan

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megabrain

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Fellas be like "I do not read the Tau Books but I know all about them" omegalul

serene eagle
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Nah, Books.

GW has been working for a while to make the Tau more interesting than Goody Two Shoes

atomic pelican
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Okay, broken sword?

serene eagle
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if the Etherials are so perfect, what's up with Farsight?

atomic pelican
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Voices of experience?

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Farsight is a military junta wherein the fire caste has taken up a place of nobility usdhnfudhnf

serene eagle
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Farsight isn't a dictator type, there's a reason he did what he did

atomic pelican
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He and his friends literally live like nobility in the FSE

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He's not evil, for sure of course

serene eagle
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its like the dawning realisation that the Big E is actually a lot more scary than we first thought

atomic pelican
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Do you know WHY Farsight didn't trust the ethereals?

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Because Puretide died and told him, was one of the reasons at least.

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We don't really know Puretide's reasoning,b ut presumably some experience he had

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That and being tried for fidgeting with his own equipment

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Sorry for not giving in to the Grimdank circlejerk tho my guy

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FHJNDFJDN

serene eagle
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yeah so I dislike GRIMDERP 40k lore

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Old 40k lore be like

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"The Imperial Guard could have won if not for their human wave incompetence, therefore GRIMDARK"

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New Lore be like: "The Imperial Guard were what we think of as the peak of modern professionalism, they did everything right, but failed anyway, therefore GRIMDARK"

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the second is both more believeable and realistic

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On a metanarrative level, I like the idea that the Tau and the Imperium have to grow and re-examine some of their core autocratic principles

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EG the idea that having Big E leading the charge...might not actually be a good idea, as seen through Gullimans struggle

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or the idea that the Etherials influence should maybe checked, due to their raw overwhelming influence over society

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rather than saying ETHERIALS BAD

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more like Hmm its pretty worrying that this is going on

last rune
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well, they are better than Lords of Terra at least

odd sparrow
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Yeah the whole grimdark-ifying of the tau has been really ham fisted

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I wish they'd lean more into the social engineering aspects of the tau. Like, how they slowly acclimate human populations to tau rule, how the ethereals are fallible despite the rest of the empire believing them inherently all-wise

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other stuff beyond just AUN VA SAYS KYS and THEY BE KILLING OTHER ALIEN RACES CUS GRIMDARK MEANS XENOPHOBIC ALWAYS

thin horizon
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I mean

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i get it

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its almost realistic tbh, not even grimdark

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"We have the IDEAL SOCIETY, DONT ASK"

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like really dude, are you sure?

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it was really over due

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i actually like the idea of tau civil war

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gives them far more depth

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I hope it actually happens

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and doesnt get forgotten, like clone Fulgrim

odd sparrow
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the tau are meant to be idealistic collectivists in the extreme. Like, their character as a faction is totally at odds with the Imperium, it's just boring to me that GW apparently only wants to develop them to be closer to the human factions

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If u mean with farsight then idk that would probs require some bad writing and/or retconning to happen

thin horizon
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I mean..... yea, but then again, there has been rumors of intelligent design behind the ethereal since the tau were a thing, it would make sense for them to be somewhat like the other societies, yea?

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and i dont think so on farsight

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it wouldnt need bad writing

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it would just require an appropriate crisis

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for him to go "Ok, Ethereals, youve risked our people by obscuring the truth, big daddy Vampire Lord is gonna step in here."

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a Tau Cadia, so to say

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I actually think a Farsight/Imperial teamup would be within reason

odd sparrow
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It probs wouldn't be in character for farsight to rip the tau empire apart to kick the ethereals out. Any conflict is kinda always gonna be on the lowkey

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oh gosh no, not fighting against the main tau empire

thin horizon
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I mean if it were falling apart anyways, i think he'd be well within character to pull some gambit to try and save the tau

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im talking BIG issues, mainly chaos in nature

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where its like "Ok, our people are going to go extinct or be dragged into the warp now, time to do it"

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i think he would, dude. Hes a vampire lord with all the knowledge of countless tau heros, and a mad amount of philosophy

odd sparrow
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You can defo tell GW doesn't really know how to further develop the tau or where to take them in the long term. I partially do blame it on how they decided to make them a tiny empire sandwiched between multiple others with no real presence outside of their tiny lil bubble, there's not so many potential avenues for how to write stories with them

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i do still kinda suspect they're gonna develop the startide nexus stuff so they can like, actually have the tau be a thing outside of a tiny area in the galactic south east, but still

thin horizon
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I almost think they might be the first step towards the Imperials getting help against chaos.

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"Farsight, you seeing this shit?"

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"Yea dude"

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"Ok, truce, for now?"

odd sparrow
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GW doesn't like to write factions getting entirely boned or having that much success. Like, they always like to maintain the status quo, most of the conflicts they write tend to be stalemates that don't overall amount to that much

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gotta make it an equal back and forth so u can rep both of the factions on display

last rune
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chaos isnt even the real treat, tyranid and orks were worst than chaos

thin horizon
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I mean for Throne's sake, the Imperials team with eldar plenty, and theres even a story of Imperials teaming up with ORKS against tyranids

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Chaos should be tbh

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youre talking a fuckin antiverse of hell

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but Abbadon is just incompitent

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and GW cant be bothered to make it a threat

odd sparrow
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They did push chaos p hard before but now the focus is mainly on necrons

thin horizon
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i mean....

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necrons arent even BAD guys

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in fact, theyve ALSO teamed with imperials

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against chaos AND tyranids, no less

last rune
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necrons even care about chaos?

thin horizon
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YES

odd sparrow
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yea cus chaos and nids both wanna bone the galaxy they think is theirs. u know, get off my fucking lawn applies to everything that isn't a necron

last rune
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why? they even hav souls to be corrupted

thin horizon
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The necrons made the black pylons on Cadia

last rune
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they did it to fck warp i think no?

thin horizon
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to keep the warp from spreading

last rune
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warp travel

thin horizon
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the pylons were inhibitors

last rune
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not just warp but warp travel too

thin horizon
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which is why cadia HAD TO FALL

last rune
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tyranid hivemind

thin horizon
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i dont think it had to do with tyranids, cause they were built WELL BEFORE the tyranids were even a problem

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like war in heaven days

last rune
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i know

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but works with tyranid hive mind too

thin horizon
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thats convienient

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still, i think necrons are gonna be salty, but theyre gonna come together under the silent king, and theyve really got little choice but to work with people, even if they fuck them over eventually

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for now, they really arent a main threat

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well, not an existensial one, like tyranids or chaos

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and orks.... well, they are just orks

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honestly theres a bunch of threads yet to be filled out

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Lorgar coming out of meditation, clone Fulgrim, the Tyranids developing anti chaos weaponry, and so on.

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Vulkan, Russ, The Khan

last rune
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tyranids are the worst treat to any faction even chaos

thin horizon
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Honestly, theres my hypothesis. The dream team thats gonna form will be The Khan and Aun'shi teaming up to escape the Dark Eldar city.

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bet.

atomic pelican
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ohh yes

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Aun'Shi is a chad of an ethereal

thin horizon
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hes like one of the few that actually seems to care

last rune
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*threat

thin horizon
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i like him quite a bit

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one of the reasons i actually sympathize with the main tau as well as farsight

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i dont think the ethereals are actually evil

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just complacent and a bit cocky

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and farsight realized it cost lives, but if there are ethereals like Aun'Shi, theres still hope

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and im saying it now, Khan/Aun'shi team up

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its gonna happen

last rune
thin horizon
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?

last rune
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@thin horizon complacnet, cocky...

gray trellis
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Quick question: The Death Korps of Krieg lasgun is semiautomatic or automatic or both?

last rune
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@thin horizon and everyone suck emperor huge dick. So why they hate etherials?

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@thin horizon im drunk just ignore it kekw

thin horizon
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Well, hes a literal god, JCMAL

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also Beter, semi

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they shoot hotter, but less

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not quite hotshots

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they are called Lucius pattern, i believe

vagrant osprey
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Remember: Ordo Xenos isn't just for purging Xenos. It's also the closest the Imperium has to a Diplomatic corps.

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An Ordo Xenos Inquisitor could absolutely negotiate an Imperium x Tau team-up.

final spruce
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Big chance this might be considered an extremist move and his peers would heavily shun the decision

crisp heath
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Honestly I'd rather have a chaos cult uprising than be a mindless cattle that's only purpose is to make more younglings for the GSC

final spruce
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It does sound like the lesser of the two evils

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Unless you're chosen for a daemonculuba

crisp heath
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nah daemonculaba isn't really common i think

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Just a chaos uprising which does it's magic

final spruce
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It isn't yeah, it was a specific thing that almost destroyed itself

crisp heath
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yup

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Chaos uprisings are very deadly

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depending on the worship\cult

celest dome
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I love the Agri world that had a major Chaos Cult (that was then destroyed)... The Eightfold cult or something like that

crisp heath
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Corpse grinders?

barren tapir
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Why the discussion about tau being good or bad always pop up here?? I mean, it is always interesting to read different arguments that prove they are bad or that they are good, but it is quite tedius after a bit

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Maybe it is like the thing about IG that everyone think is weak or incompetent or like the thing about every citizen in the imperium is living a hellish life...

storm jungle
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Because the Tau hold a weird moral ground compared to other factions since they were suppose to be nobledark until GW fizzled the lore in its entirety from the complaining masses of the fandom

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Its a natural argument compared to stuff like "uwu the imperium are the good guys"

final spruce
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Who the fuck ever said that

barren tapir
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Someone new to the setting probably, and that saw only blue smurfs killing evil bugs

final spruce
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Exactly

storm jungle
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God not again

barren tapir
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I mean, the discussion between atomic gandhi and aun'va loyalist was really nice, but it seems that both sides didn't want to recognize that tau may be both good and bad, like all new empires that start to explore the galaxy

final spruce
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Tau aren't bad people

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They really believe in their Greater Good

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But in a world where they face constant threat of getting wiped out, well somestimes strenght must be used

barren tapir
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Yet they aren't good either, since they are like "accept the greater good or die"

final spruce
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And their superior, the Ethereals are a noble caste that is not very nice

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I mean, they are willing to use Water Castes and engage into diplomacy

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The imperium does use diplomacy but only for humans or if you look like an acceptable abhuman

barren tapir
barren tapir
final spruce
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I mean I believe they wouldn't send their diplomats to anybody

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It's not like the Imperium breed xenophobia

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They do sometimes cooperate with xenos but it usually ends with the former allies fighting each other

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Altough I've seen more Eldar/Human cooperation than anticipated

barren tapir
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Yeah, sad interex noises (Whoops wrong rex, it was the diasporex)

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Also there are know tau that are xenophobic too

final spruce
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I mean, history has proven that enough endoctrination can lead to a lot, It wouldn't be far fetched to make people fear aliens when we humans managed to do genocides and witch hunts just because those humans had a different religion/language/skin color.

barren tapir
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We should also remember that mankind had endured the age of strife, where immaginable horrors preyed upon humans, and those very bad encounters simply made it worse for diplomatic relations

final spruce
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Well, when your diplomatic realtions with aliens are a coinflip away from having your face eaten, people don't just take the risk

thin horizon
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Tell that to the commander who teamed up with fackin ORKS, mate

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the orks did betray him in the end, but not a second before the tyranids were gone. Theres even a really touching scene of a nob saving a family.

thick shadow
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Orks has purest hearts

thin horizon
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I mean, the Ork commander was actually sad about it too

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it broke my heart

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‘Well, I betrayed you, of course. The charge, with the tanks. It was… you know… a trick. We held back and… we got you.’ There was an awkward silence, and the xenos grumbled, before continuing. ‘You didn’t think…?’
‘No,’ said Nestor, trying to hide the lie. ‘I had… planned the same.’
‘It was an excellont campaign, still.’
‘It was an excellent campaign, yes, Taktikus.’

celest dome
# crisp heath Corpse grinders?

Their most famous (still alive) can be taken as a Merc for the Corpse Grinder Cult but his name is "Eightfold Harvest Lord" and he may not be from Necromunda (Not sure)

thin horizon
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honestly id like the GSC a lot more if they actually werent complete idiots

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like they take this awesome people's hero face to em, and THEN, they all die to the tyranids if they win anyways

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like wow

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even chaos cultists have a better chance, thats pathetic

barren tapir
thin horizon
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what? thats...... like the total opposite of tyranid MO

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the tyranids eat EVERYTHING, even their own forces when a world is done

barren tapir
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And yet...

thin horizon
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i guess

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considering the tyranids adapted to fight chaos, i suppose anything is possible

mint hill
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It's likely because they hive mind could use them to weaken future worlds from the inside, greater biomass in the future for a small loss now.

thin horizon
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I mean, isnt that why genestealers are adapted to flee from the approach of a hivefleet?

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specifically for that purpose?

barren tapir
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I'm trying to find that GSO i mentioned

mint hill
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Genestealers have like their own sub hive mind, so long as they stay out of synapse range they don't get overwritten.

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they also board imperial transports because the hive fleet travels at sub light speed, and the imperium uses warp travel. it's how they can out pace the hive.

thin horizon
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well yes

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thats why im saying, why would they need GSC to survive the planet

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when they gave GS already

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well, I still appreciate the tyranids anyhow

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a real force of nature threat is a good idea

crisp heath
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I'm p sure they dont get eaten

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Since they are a direct force from the tyranids

final spruce
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The problem with ndis is that they can't have named heroes if you'd follow the fluff

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They could manage that with genestealers with a special DNA strand maybe ?

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Since they already have that with specialized units

thin horizon
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What about old one eye?

mint hill
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it's more the fact that genestealers reproduce via genestealer cult, you need one, for the other.

crisp heath
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^

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Everything they infect is a genestealer

final spruce
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I mean... that with the Malentai stuff

crisp heath
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If you're infected, You're a genestealer broodbrother now

mint hill
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bringing an established cult with them, cuts like, 100-399 years off of what the cults do.

crisp heath
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I'd rather get butchered by a chaos uprising than a GSC uprising

mint hill
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Eh, GSC is probably the cleaner death

crisp heath
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Nah

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You become a cattle

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You either just spread the infection further

final spruce
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GSC have no reason to kill you

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They either infect you or mindcontrol you

crisp heath
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If they are found

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They'll go bat shit crazy

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And I'm pretty sure once the tyranids arrive to the uprising it will be a slaughter

mint hill
#

they generally uprise before the nids get there for months or years

barren tapir
mint hill
#

it's not like it's done in one day

barren tapir
#

And here it is the GSC that didn't get eaten by nids

crisp heath
#

Genestealers dont get eaten

#

They are agents

mint hill
#

they get eaten

crisp heath
#

I think only the useless broodbrother get eaten

#

Yeah but the important ones are taken

mint hill
#

If they eat carnifexes and bio titans, they'll eat genestealers

crisp heath
#

The ones that plan stuff

barren tapir
#

Normally all GSC get eaten

crisp heath
#

The majority are just mindless cattle

#

Primuses, Magnuses, And the patriarch are most likely taken back

barren tapir
#

There is one orlock gang and one escher gang that have been infected by GS... Damn them

crisp heath
#

Really?

barren tapir
#

There are also more for sure, i just found out those two now...

crisp heath
#

But god damn every cult is doomed if there is a GSC in the same planet

mint hill
#

not really

#

That's what the deathwatch and inquisition is for.

crisp heath
#

They dont want to find a GSC believe me....

mint hill
#

They, literally do.

crisp heath
#

You know what happens if they found the GSC abit late?

mint hill
#

Exterminatus

crisp heath
#

Well yes but what do you think the already massive cult will do?

mint hill
#

If they find it early, then they can purge the cult, and actually keep the planetary resources which the imperium greedily eats

crisp heath
#

Yeah early

mint hill
#

Have space marine chapters visit them.

crisp heath
#

But those xeno bastards hide well

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And send cultists to infiltrate society

mint hill
#

there's lots of good stories about marines going to the underhive and clearing out genes stealer cults

crisp heath
#

True

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But that happens if they found them early

#

It they found them later, Its already too late

#

Everyone will get killed pretty sure

storm jungle
#

Nah the thing is you need to stop them before they send the psychic signal

crisp heath
#

The worst thing about GSC is about how they can infiltrate the government, Politics, Ans religious authority

barren tapir
#

GSO aren't impossible to destroy, and yes, they can mount global rebellion, but that is not a incredible stuff to deal for the imperium

crisp heath
#

No need for signal, If you got the signal you're fu##@

#

Yeah but their biggest wep is the beacon

barren tapir
#

The problem is that the imperium is simplistic in their approach, they go there kille everyone and then get out since there are a lot of things that need to be fixed at the same time

crisp heath
#

There would be too much chaos done by GSC

#

Military infiltrated.

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Uprising started.

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Beacon initiated.

#

And fleet approaching

barren tapir
#

You think that those things aren't common in the imperium?? Or that the imperium don't deal with similar staff on a daily basis?

crisp heath
#

They do

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Ofc

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But I'd be sure a planet is already doomed if the cult has executed all its objectives successfully

barren tapir
#

And it is not that they send a signal and a hive fleet go there... Nids follow psychic energies, if the cult become strong and numerous enough it may start to send psychic signals, but there mus also be a fleet that follow that signal

crisp heath
#

Yeah they do some weird shi$

#

I'm not sure an already infiltrated planet would withstand a tyranid invasion

#

It's weird how tyranids have strong psyker powers

barren tapir
#

It is not weird nor complicated... And a world can indeed withstand a nid invasion while having to deal with GSC...
Also Terra has some GSO on it

crisp heath
#

Yeah depends on the planet

#

And the level of GSC

barren tapir
#

If i may ask, are you new to the setting?

crisp heath
#

Yeah I entered it abit back

#

In 2018

#

I dived into WHF lore first

#

Now I'm trying to dive into 40k lore

#

But it's a tad more complex than I expected

atomic pelican
#

Those who get their lore from grimdank tldr

primal tide
#

or just have an axe to grind because they dont like the tau

atomic pelican
#

Basically

primal tide
#

couple of those round here 👀

barren tapir
#

Well, for what i know it is true that ethereals have a soothing effect on tau, that can overwrite chaos influence

atomic pelican
#

Theres a couple in every 40k comm

primal tide
#

yup

atomic pelican
#

I mean yes, because they are spiritual leaders?

#

Dhwbdh

mint hill
#

I thought Chaos doesn't affect Tau because they have no 'warp echo' or 'soul'

atomic pelican
#

Like, the Pope has a calming effect on devout catholics Im sure

#

They dont but uh, lore inconsistent

#

Esp with 4th sphere

barren tapir
atomic pelican
#

Yeee

mint hill
#

They aren't like the pariah's who are anti-chaos or whatever their official sanction is.

#

I thought had zero warp presence, which is why they don't get possessed/have psykers.

atomic pelican
#

Originally yes and still yes sort of

#

Its weird

barren tapir
atomic pelican
#

Uhhh

#

I mean

#

This is a world where belief literallt does thst

primal tide
#

Laughs in Saint celestine

atomic pelican
#

YEAH

#

DHSBSH

barren tapir
#

Saint celestine has more warp in herself than a psyker

#

You think that her influence is not warp based?

primal tide
#

I think it's partially warp based

atomic pelican
#

It seems to reason that if chaos can influence Tau, the Tau'Va can act as some form of group protection in belief

#

Yess

barren tapir
#

It is clearly stated that when the pylons on cadia started pushing back the wapr her "hope" effect also vanished

storm jungle
#

But it is clear that the tau still suck according to our experts guys

#

because they exist

barren tapir
barren tapir
atomic pelican
#

Their presence being a symbol of Tau'Va and bolsteiring it for nearby Tau

storm jungle
#

not you Blank

barren tapir
#

I also corrected my POV on who the encountered before the great rift, i was lacking in that part especially as it turned out

#

No offense taken Dilara, i just admitted that some of the stuff that i knew was wrong

storm jungle
#

Eyyy np man we all make mistakes

#

40k lore is dumb so its a given

mint hill
#

Depends on who was writing the lore.

#

There's some really good stuff, like the enslavers.

#

And then there's Marneus Calgar punching an avatar in the chest to show how much a man he is.

barren tapir
#

It is more me ignoring stuff since not interested... And it is funny that the tau were one of the ignored one since for a time i considered making them my fav faction because ranged focused

atomic pelican
#

It doesnt rlly help that most 40k lore is paywalled otherwise ur getting a telephone version of it

#

And theres more content than some religious doctrines

vagrant osprey
#

AND lots of it is directly contradicted!

steel marlin
#

I wonder how Darktide's story is gonna go. It'll be interesting.

thin horizon
#

I have a feeling i know how itll go

#

"I HATE MY LIFE, IM A LEPER! CANT SOMEONE HELP ME?!"

#

"I got you bro."

#

"Who?!"

#

then plaguebearers happen

#

the end

rotund siren
#

jump cut Inquisitor sends group down, group finds poxwalkers

#

Kill all poxwalkers, the end

plucky moth
#

freezeframe I bet you're wondering how I ended up here

thin horizon
#

i also wonder though

#

like legitimately, it could just be one dude complaining about his lot

#

or it could be some huge conspiracy

#

or a long story, that eventually just starts falling off the rails like the Gaunts Ghost's series

#

I hope it hasa a good story

#

either way, i got dibs on playing the Ogryn

#

theys my favorite

#

wish they were better on tabletop

#

honestly i wish abhumans got more love in general

rotund siren
#

You'll have to fight @wraith socket for #1 Ogryn Fan

plucky moth
#

Ogryn Waifus when?

gray trellis
thin horizon
#

Look man, all im saying is, I feel like Ogryn Waifu would be strong enough to save me if i screwed up and got in trouble, am I wrong?

#

The day I try to read a recipe for homemade stew and accidentally summon a bloodletter into the kitchen, I feel like she'd be there to crush it to death

rotund siren
#

But wouldn't she then crush you for summoning it?

thin horizon
#

nah, she probably wouldnt be smart enough to understand what it even was

#

bonus, that

gray trellis
#

ok hold up, Ogryn Waifu? what did i miss?

thin horizon
#

Ogryns are loyal as hell

#

oh, Incan just made a joke

gray trellis
#

cause they got low IQ

thin horizon
#

so i ran with it

#

blessed is the mind too small for doubt, friend

gray trellis
#

affirmative

thin horizon
#

the reason i love ogryns is because i read a story in an anthology where this ogryn had bonded with a guardsman, and just carried around a gun (autocannon, i think) for his "brother" to shoot like a turret

#

also Nork is pretty cool

rotund siren
#

RIP Bob

thin horizon
#

if i were gonna live in the 40k universe, i would wanna be an ogryn

#

was his name bob?

#

i dont think so, was it?

rotund siren
#

idk, but there was the ogryn story Bob & Gav

thin horizon
#

oh, that was TG I think

#

nah the one i was talking about was in an actual book

rotund siren
#

ohhh, I getcha

gray trellis
#

i would like to be a space marine cause they got a little more survivability...but yea, i would like an ogryn friend

thin horizon
#

i mean.... ogryns are bigger than space marines even. They wear tank treads for armor

gray trellis
#

but i wouldnt like to have the IQ of a 4 year old

#

i even would like to be a squat

thin horizon
#

but you wouldnt have the capability to comprehend how awful life is

#

thats a real blessing

#

i suffer from debilitating bouts of existential dread IRL mate, an ogryn doesnt, ever.

#

and his situation is worse than mine by far

odd sparrow
#

ogryns don't have anxiety disorders pls nerf

thin horizon
#

I mean, thats a true bonus

rotund siren
#

can't have anxiety if you can't think of what would be scary

thin horizon
#

i mean when you can crush a daemons skull with one fist (im talking like bloodletter or tzangor size, not bloodthirster, of course), i doubt much is scary

#

an ogryn could probably bench a taurox

steel marlin
#

Lol glorious input y'all. I always spelt Ogryn as Ogrem. I need to stop doing that. Lol

#

Okay now I sleep, for now. Lol

rotund siren
#

bye

thin horizon
#

so i decided to make a custom knight house

#

based on part of my lineage

#

that being the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

#

Im gonna have the knight Preceptor as my warlord and Hetman, and the armigers will be my Winged Hussars

#

very exciting

cunning lantern
#

I would believe that being an ork would be the most reasonable as there is constant fighting and nothing is better in life for an ork than to fight (and go fast)

barren tapir
#

Ogryin suffer from claustrophobia, they too have anxiety problems... But it is true that it is not because a a bloodthirster just murdered half his platoon with a simple swing... Ogryn are also capable to simply overturn chimeras, so doing the same with a taurox is possible

final spruce
#

Taurox are lighter than Chimeras so you'd expect them to

#

Dedog was able to drag a chimera on multiple kilometers

thick shadow
#

Ogryns are pure

verbal nest
#

Are the thunder warriors loyal to anyone? I'm kinda confused how they exist if there's so few of them scattered around the galaxy

#

Also, do they still even exist in 41k if they were made so long ago

storm jungle
#

They arent even scattered per se

#

So okay in short story

celest dome
#

Thunder Warrior were loyal to the emperor and the Imperium
Basically precursor Space Marine that were culled

#

Because they were unstable

storm jungle
#

The Thunder Warriors will call them TW for now werent made for the long goal and as said above they are basically proto astartes

#

they had really gross mutations and were extremely violent

#

their entire goal was to conquer terra before Big E put them down for their own good

celest dome
#

Their basic objective was to conquer Terra (and maybe the Sol system)

#

There were a few survivor

storm jungle
#

By the end of the Unification Big E was already underway making astartes

#

aka the First Legion whos actual objective was to be SPACE marines and conquer the sol system

#

as for the survivors theres a really rare case of them being like 2-3 in number, with one of them actually understanding why Big E did what he did

thick shadow
#

They are chonkier than Astartes, too

verbal nest
#

Were they loyal to the emperor tho?

celest dome
#

Yeah, was quite sad story, they know they can still be usefull for the Emperor but that their state were to dangerou

#

Yea Loyal

storm jungle
#

they were loyal in the case of like an attack dog though

#

Im not kidding when i say he literally unleashed the TW on technobarbarians across the earth

celest dome
#

More Loyal than normal Space Marine afaic

verbal nest
#

Huh, I always thought the main reason he wanted them dead is coz they were less loyal

celest dome
#

They knew the Emp, and were following him because they liked him

storm jungle
#

Nope, it was actually a mercykill in the long run

verbal nest
#

Ok so do they still exist?

storm jungle
#

Largely no

celest dome
#

Yes/No

storm jungle
#

like i said

mint hill
#

No

storm jungle
#

theres only like 2-3 survivors

mint hill
#

They are not like custodes or marines where they can live unless killed in battle.

thick shadow
#

One of them become a head of criminal organization in terra, if I know rightly

storm jungle
#

This one yeah

thick shadow
#

Yes

celest dome
#

Custodes and SM can still die from old age iirc

thick shadow
#

And TW had a really short life term compared to Astartes.

mint hill
#

There's no real way to tell as the oldest living marine is still Dante, the rest have all died.

storm jungle
#

^

mint hill
#

Excluding chaos marines

#

As warp fuckery is involved

storm jungle
#

He IS showing signs of age but is still going strong

verbal nest
#

Is there a branch of guardsmen that most reflect modern humans?

storm jungle
#

Guardsmen

#

not much else

#

maybe whiteshields or conscripts?

mint hill
#

Yeah, they are called Feral world

celest dome
#

Elysian are based on the SAS

verbal nest
#

Yeah but like, there's the valhallans that are basically the Russians lol

storm jungle
#

Do you mean reflect us as in regular humans?

celest dome
#

Harakoni is based on US Drop troop

verbal nest
thick shadow
#

TW's life term was like... 50 years, I guess?

cerulean wagon
#

@verbal nest literaly any human

thick shadow
#

Stronger thsn Astartes tho.

verbal nest
#

Elysians sound cool if they're based off the SAS, I love the SAS

thick shadow
#

Bigger too

storm jungle
#

the guardsmen are memed but most of them are really human

#

They make jokes, comments, jabs etc

cerulean wagon
#

grumble about the shitty living and food

celest dome
#

And 90% casuallity rate is mostly a joke

cerulean wagon
#

that too

verbal nest
#

One Luetin video said that generally being a human in 40k just have a better mental resilience than us modern humans

mint hill
#

except when it's not.

storm jungle
mint hill
#

That mortality rate in guard is pretty high

cerulean wagon
#

Depends on the front sezerix

storm jungle
#

^

#

The I.G arent idiots that charge into gunlines to die

#

unless they got a really stupid commissar

mint hill
#

However, a basic guardsman is actually a pretty beastly guy.

cerulean wagon
#

Most fronts see normal casualty rates of like

#

i wanna say ww2?

storm jungle
#

Yeah pretty much

cerulean wagon
#

so higher than moden but like, not rediculously high

mint hill
#

Which front, the eastern front, or the western front?

cerulean wagon
#

Western

mint hill
#

Ah.

cerulean wagon
#

Only in rare cases does it get worse, its just that most lore is about those rare cases

#

because the mega box sets are about mega battles

crisp heath
#

Is nemeroth chaos undivided?

storm jungle
#

Yah

crisp heath
#

He looked like a slaaneshi marine to me

storm jungle
#

He doesnt though

cerulean wagon
#

An example of a shitty front to be on is uhhhh

thick shadow
#

And was a sorcerer

cerulean wagon
#

19 hours

storm jungle
#

hes wearing a big ass terminator armor purely of metal

crisp heath
#

the blue colour gives up abit

cerulean wagon
#

in which catachans get deployed to a bombed out ice world

#

with incorrect gear

thick shadow
#

He is famous to having an ahegao face

storm jungle
#

With "uwu you get to be a veteran 10 hours in"

#

Im just happy so many people say thats wrong to the newcomers most of the time

cerulean wagon
#

or anything about vraks

#

vraks can get shuved

storm jungle
#

100%

mint hill
#

Ah that guy

rotund siren
#

why are his arms so long?

mint hill
#

Lightning claws

rotund siren
#

ohhhh

mint hill
#

And terminator armor is an exoskeleton

rotund siren
#

ok, thanks

thick shadow
#

That infused with him

#

It has a hole in middle of the palm

verbal nest
#

Do the IG have aerial vehicles?

cerulean wagon
#

Uh

thick shadow
#

For... spewing warp power, idk

cerulean wagon
#

technically no but yes?

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
#

@verbal nest Basically all air vehicles are naval property, but are assigned to IG regiments

thick shadow
#

Imperial navy

rotund siren
#

^

cerulean wagon
#

so yes they have air assets, no they arent IG tho

verbal nest
#

I guess strafe bombings don't exist in 40k!

#

?

storm jungle
#

It does

#

thats what the thunderbolt is for lol

#

and MARAUDER BOMBERS

#

KING OF THE SKIES

cerulean wagon
#

MARAUDER BOMBER

#

fucking

#

beat me to it

storm jungle
#

HEHEHE

thick shadow
#

Robot Gorilla separated them after the heresy

rotund siren
#

to prevent accumulation of power or something like that

storm jungle
#

Yeah back in the day the Imperial Army aka what it was called back then was single force

#

they were like the 60's space soldiers you see in sci-fi movies

thick shadow
#

And made the space book

cerulean wagon
rotund siren
verbal nest
#

SAS gang wya

#

IG looks so badass sometimes ngl

thick shadow
#

with losing every battle?

verbal nest
#

Watch your filthy mouth

thick shadow
#

It's true tho

cerulean wagon
#

its not and i'll fight you

storm jungle
#

^

cerulean wagon
rotund siren
#

tell that to Armageddon

storm jungle
#

I hope Meelee is memeing

verbal nest
#

Wut bro there's an IG detachment sent to your location rn, finna fite fuckboi

storm jungle
thick shadow
#

Elysians "falling" after all

cerulean wagon
#

we better get a valk hot extract for one of the missions

rotund siren
#

we get it, sharks are smooth

cerulean wagon
#

Can we also just

#

apperciate the sky crane valk

#

which can carry baneblades

storm jungle
#

we can ❤️

thick shadow
#

Actually, shark skins are rasp

rotund siren
#

what, no way dude

#

sharks are smooth all the way around

#

I know a marine biologist, he confirms

thick shadow
#

Bloody hell, which marine smarty is right?

rotund siren
#

obviously the one that confirms that shark skin is smooth in every direction

thick shadow
#

I think it's different in every damn documentary

#

BBC, Discovery, National Geographic

#

Hmm

cerulean wagon
#

also the fury interceptor

thick shadow
#

furry

#

And Meru is daemon

#

A succubus

#

Daemonette

#

Heresy?

rotund siren
#

How do you know that?

thick shadow
#

I know many

rotund siren
#

so you agree? you're a heretic too?

thick shadow
#

Uhm...

#

Let me open the portal first

rotund siren
cerulean wagon
#

@verbal nest basically imperial airpower is varied and does all the roles modern air power does, however unless the world has its own local atmospheric model you have to hope the guard have a Naval detachment in support

crisp heath
#

What's the most success a chaos lord has ever gotten

thick shadow
#

Just like in Vietnam

#

WHERE IS AIR SUPPORT!!

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
#

or horus making it to terra

thick shadow
#

Cadia...

#

Stands...

#

And if the Fantasy is counts. Archaon the Everchosen.

#

The rumour says he was a femboy when he was a young

#

GIVE ME THE ANSWER, SJAANESH!!

storm jungle
thick shadow
#

If it's a true. I will go back to that time, and never let him become a bulky high testosterone'd man

#

I'm trying to save the world!

#

Siblings... response

vagrant osprey
final spruce
#

Takes a long ass time to wear out an Astartes though

celest dome
#

Don't their body start to fail ? Like they sometime leave the palace

final spruce
#

Nah, Custodes are eternal guards

vagrant osprey
#

Custodes do not suffer age-related infirmity.

barren tapir
#

Damn, i was late to the party, but i will say this anyway:
Thunder warriors were the first experiments of Big E, they were made to conquer terra and for that they needed to be really strong and durable, which they were, that was accomplished by genetic modifications like everyone know, (i don't remember if i read this somewhere or if it was the result of my thinking on it) but they weren't midified when young, they were normal huamans modified, that had some side effects, one of them was that they were following the emperor because they wanted, not because of psyco indoctrination or genetic imposed loyalty... And a genetic degradation over time that would kill the in th elong term

#

They were considered unreliable by custodes, but they were blindly loyal to the emperor

vagrant osprey
#

The custodes executed most of the TWs

#

One of the first tasks of the Astartes was to hunt down and kill their replacements.

final spruce
#

I mean, Thunder warriors were made from techno barbarians for the majority of them, and they were known to have psychotic moments

#

Although some SM chapters now suffer that issue aswell

vagrant osprey
#

Incidentally, having the Astartes kill people who outlived their usefulness directly caused the traitor legions to become traitors in the first place.

storm jungle
final spruce
#

What ?

storm jungle
#

It was the First Legion aka the ones that would go out to become the Dark Angels.

#

So you're half right

#

But that was basically a training exercise for them.

vagrant osprey
#

The first legion did most of the TW hunting, but most were involved at some point.

final spruce
#

The only legion that we know that killed other Astartes was Russ that was sent by Big E to kill the 2 data expunged

vagrant osprey
#

The fact that the Emperor destroys tools when he no longer needs them was common knowledge.

storm jungle
#

Thats not the deal with the thunder warriors though

#

Like i said before

vagrant osprey
#

In fact, it's one of the explicitly stated reasons for the legions turning traitor.

storm jungle
#

He put them down literally, since they were all suffering from mutations.

slim spindle
#

wwwwwwwwww

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

They were tools sure but he evne says he tried his best but their genetic makeup was basically fucked

final spruce
#

The Emperor tried to hide the death of the TW as much as possible

storm jungle
#

Yeah its why he glorified them instead

final spruce
#

Since it feared it might have painted him in a bad light enough for people not to trust him

vagrant osprey
#

He hid it from the public, but not the Astartes.

barren tapir
#

BTW it was the custodes who killed most of the thunder warriors, the first legion killed a rebellion in which there were some thnder warriors

final spruce
#

The Astartes were barely prototypes

#

At that time

storm jungle
#

I remember Valdor Birth of the Imperium very clearly

#

It was pretty much the entirety of the 1st legion that did the job

#

meanwhile Valdor was in the background as the only custode going into the fray to kill their main leader

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

But hey i might be wrong with fluff outside of that

cerulean wagon
#

blank is right

vagrant osprey
#

Look, the point is that in the HH books Astartes - both those who would choose to be loyalists and traitors - talk about how the Great Crusade will eventually end, and mention the TW when discussing what that would mean for them and their Brothers.

#

This happens repeatedly

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

Considering they're the parody of the roman legions im not surprised

barren tapir
#

Mount ararat

storm jungle
#

aka getting a nice villa and some good wheatfields to attend

#

which would be nice...

vagrant osprey
#

Even the loyalist Astartes concede that the Emperor would kill them all, but decide their sacrifice would be worth it.

barren tapir
cerulean wagon
#

IG get to settle and claim land if they survive their tenure

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
storm jungle
#

Also true

#

uwu

cerulean wagon
#

when do we get a comfy IG romance book

#

about living on a settled pleasure world

vagrant osprey
barren tapir
storm jungle
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Eh again i really dont want to pander to "Big E is evil" again.

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Its just bad writing and restrictions.

vagrant osprey
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This isn't evil, this is just incompetence.

storm jungle
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Again

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bad writing and restrictions lol

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and its hard to write a really good omnipotent character

cerulean wagon
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especially when so many writers have covered it

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and poorly

barren tapir
vagrant osprey
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Big E doesn't understand the thinking of things that are human or human-adjacent.

storm jungle
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He does though

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he just sees the bigger picture

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also its the same as how he could clearly pull a random old technology out of his ass and save Angron's nails but the Heresy needs to happen and Big E needs to be a shit dad.

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so its a lot of forced threads half the time

barren tapir
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He understand most of the human being, it is just that he is/was tired of all the shits he saw in more than 30K years

storm jungle
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Which is really well put

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Almost any sane human in his position would be the same.

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And as the classic saying goes, if you want peace you must prepare for war.

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Its sad but true

barren tapir
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Oh, and about TW, there is one still living in 41-2K... At least it is hinted that he still live... Arik Taranis

vagrant osprey
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There's a surprising number of them still alive.

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Mostly because time gets fucky in the Warp, and since (almost?) all the ones who survived the purges fled via warp travel there could potentially be even a few thousand showing up over the remainder of the time left in the universe.

mint hill
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I mean, there's 'loyalist' fallen legion guys popping out of the warp every so often who just get blown away.

thin horizon
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Lost Legion, you mean?

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The Fallen are entirely different

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and arent to be discussed.

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EVER

storm jungle
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EDGY AF

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and solely exist so Dark Angels get to call them "Fallen Angels" and be cool

thin horizon
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OH SHIT, YOU RIGHT XD

storm jungle
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YEEEE

vagrant osprey
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The Fallen are legit loyalists, though.

thin horizon
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....

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no

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Alpha Legion, yes

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Fallen, no

mint hill
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fallen legion I meant by, like, loyalist world eaters or something coming out of the warp

thin horizon
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youre talkin about the Legion of the Damned

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the Fallen are a traitor group of Dark Angels

rotund siren
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btw, Legion of the Damned are awesome

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10/10 legion

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always trying their hardest

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goodest skull-boys

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might drive some people mad, but that's ok

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I do wonder how they, like, exist?

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ya know?

barren tapir
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In gatherig storm they helped the imperial fist in the phalanx during warp travel, and then helped on cadia...

rotund siren
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they just teleport places, right?

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but how? or why?

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I guess that's part of the mystery

barren tapir
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Warp... They materialize like demons

rotund siren
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are they Malice-y, or just "Divine hammers of the Emperor's Might because REASONS"?

barren tapir
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They have been called "emperor's demons" by some guys in the community, and those guys called the living saints "greater demons of the emperor" all because they behave really similar to chaos demons... A quote from an eldar clearly call them demons, even if they appear as the stalwart defender of mankind or something similar

rotund siren
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Huh

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That does make sense, to be fair

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I mean, if the chaos gods get power from faith, so would the Emperor

barren tapir
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Oh, i just discovered that they also helped in the terran crusade, and then on baal, armagedon and a lot of other places in the imperium nihilus it seems

rotund siren
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badass

thin horizon
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i mean best guess of the Inquisition is either Firehawks, or genuinely Emperor equivalent of Daemons

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which is sick

barren tapir
thin horizon
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i hope its the second

barren tapir
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This is the eldar

thin horizon
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gee, the Eldar are WRONG, again?

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shocking, i tell you

barren tapir
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Probably both possibility are correct

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I mean, they used a star fort (IIRC) that was very similar to the raptorus rex, the fortress monastery of the fire hawks chapter

rotund siren
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hmmmmm

cerulean wagon
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spikey

crisp heath
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Look like afflicted

rotund siren
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Afflicted?

crisp heath
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Sorry

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Meant plague bearers

rotund siren
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ah

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yeah

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just wondering about them spikes

storm jungle
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oh no thats the nurgle horn

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its basically one of his aesthetics

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aka a single one sticking out of your head

rotund siren
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huh

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wack

crisp heath
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Some of them have weird one way horns

storm jungle
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thats pretty much what i said so lol

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cancer

crisp heath
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Yeah they look really similar to plague bearers

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absolute c a n c e r

primal tide
broken kayak
odd sparrow
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hey we can only see three there

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and tbh idk if the one on the right isn't the pilot

barren tapir
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Pilots don't get to use power weapons

cerulean wagon
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actualy they do depending on their background

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atm tho im thinking arbite or just a melee guardsman

barren tapir
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Oh, interesting...

cerulean wagon
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Ye, usualy naval officers on some ships will have swords

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the whole idea of a naval man at arms thing

barren tapir
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Well, officers aren't pilots

cerulean wagon
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some are

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when you have a ship with hundreds of fighters and thousands of staff

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someone has to organize them

barren tapir
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A valk pilot isn't a high rank officer that can take a power sword from the armoury

cerulean wagon
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Your assuming this is just some standard pilot tho, inquisitors picked the convicts they have fore a reason

odd sparrow
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If we're still going off the banner art (which disappeared on the server cus not enough boosts lol) then there should rightfully only be one guardsmen character, assuming the cloaked figure to the right isn't also a guardsman and also assuming that the characters will even work the same way as Vermintide

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at least as it pertains to playable characters

cerulean wagon
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ratty that only works under the assumption there is only 4 characters

odd sparrow
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The assumption would be five

barren tapir
odd sparrow
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but yeah we don't know yet, we'll probs know by the 10th

cerulean wagon
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hopefully

atomic pelican
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Gameplay video that's just renderings of the environment

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tfw

cerulean wagon
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personally i think we'll see 6+ playables since they have mentioned how expanding a roster post launch is near impossible

barren tapir
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Yeah, it would be around 11:30 PM london time

cerulean wagon
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Give themselves a bit more flex

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I'm not expecting stupid amounts ofc just 1 or 2 up from vt

odd sparrow
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We'll have to see. Personally I do hope the system they implement will make adding new characters/career-equivalents more convenient, that's something they've only recently started dabbling with in vermintide pretty late into its life cycle and it's seemingly been super successful

storm jungle
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Yeeee

odd sparrow
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obvs outside of a class system Vermintide was never made to allow for new actual characters. It's the U5, you can't add any more to that with how the story and dialogue/whatever is set up

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And idk if they're gonna go with the same class system we have now. But yeah we don't know at this point

cerulean wagon
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They settled on carreers in 2 cause like you said its the U5

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theres a preset dynamic that became hard to mix things into

odd sparrow
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Yeah

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if they want they could (or, most probably, already have if they have taken this direction) set it up to allow for new characters. Would be very easy to justify too if we're meant to be expendable inquisitional guinea pigs

cerulean wagon
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yup

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especially with bardin engineer dlc adding dialogue that is set out as if he is a new person they are trying to learn about

open summit
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I fully expect the Imperial Guard character "careers" to be based on existing regiments, like Catachan or the Death Korps (most likely the latter, self-sacrificial complex and all that).

atomic pelican
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I feel It'd be a waste if we didn't at the least get other Imperial rep outside of IG

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I'm still onboard for a xeno in a ranger or smthing, but just having varieties of Imperial would be cool too

cerulean wagon
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i recon regiments will be aesthetic stuff instead of classes @open summit

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cosmetics and the like

odd sparrow
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They could totally just implement different regiments as skins for any guardsmen-ish character yeah

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which would be a new thing for FS, previously skins have just been reskins

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excepting hats

cerulean wagon
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cause otherwise you lock specialisations to a regiment

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and thats kinda eh

odd sparrow
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I'm honestly not expecting a career system. Like, it's v possible and it has worked pretty well for VT2 but idk

cerulean wagon
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id prefer vt 1 style

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personaly

atomic pelican
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I'm expecting one just for the fact that the game is advertised as "VT2 but 40k flavor"

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I'm thinking alot of things will be samey

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Which isn't bad to me imo

odd sparrow
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yeah agreed

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More vermintide? with chainswords? sign me up

atomic pelican
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Also careers add the chance for variations on a character's fluff which I love

open summit
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I'm willing to argue that different regiments could change up your equipment and abilities somewhat. For instance Iron Guard gets bonuses when using Lasweapons, but can't carry grenades.

Otherwise you could have an Inquisitor with a few different careers, like Ordo Malleus and Ordo Hereticus, and a Mechanicus adept with different careers, like a Skitarii ranger or Tech Priest.

odd sparrow
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But i'm also very chill if it goes in a slightly different direction

atomic pelican
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Esp with the more out there possibilities for dlc

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Samee

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Regiments could be a talent thing for the IG character

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Like, different talents representing slight variations and such

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that and skins

open summit
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Skins are probably what we're going to see, though.

atomic pelican
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Yeee

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I hope we have some sort of AdMech rep

open summit
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I will absolutely admit that cosmetic skins are the most likely way we're getting IG regiments

cerulean wagon
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imo itd be skins because if they did do a guardsmen with different classes

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weapon specialist, brawler and seargent make sense imo, which you could assign to specific regiment but id rather just take the perks and choose a regimental cosmetic

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otherwise ull have people complaining kreig isnt the melee class

atomic pelican
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god, I can imagine that now

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shovel meme on repeat x50

cerulean wagon
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thats all this server has been since day one aun

atomic pelican
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Not all of us, some of us.. we resist it..

cerulean wagon
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we havent even figured out hoe stabdard kit works and its been "i want shovel, i want xenos, i want astartes"

atomic pelican
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That but on one of those "live, laugh, love" things and you've got a real seller

cerulean wagon
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lol

open summit
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NGL, I'd consider the Catachan Jungle Fighters the "brawlers," not the Death Korps. Shovel be damned.

cerulean wagon
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yup

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you would be right

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that wont stop people

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80% of people persieve 40k as the memes of 40k

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which is why we had people complaining the trailer wasnt lore friendly because a guardsman had a plasmagun

atomic pelican
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lasguns are actually capable of shooting and hurting things?!?!?!

cerulean wagon