is that a new thing?
#40k-lore-chat
thin horizon
verbal nest
Ace is just a fancy way for saying asexuals
odd sparrow
asexual u dummy ye
odd sparrow
nah that's valid
thin horizon
everyone is valid mate
atomic pelican
it's okay, lgbtmarines say as long as you try, you are codex approved
verbal nest
Except pedos
Pedos ain't valid
thin horizon
thats not an orientation, Grim
atomic pelican
u right
thin horizon
so youre correct
verbal nest
Tell that to twitter
primal tide
Ew
atomic pelican
Most ppl on twitter don't believe that fuhnduhng
They just recently started banning 'MAP' shit
odd sparrow
nobody believes that, it's a strawman
thin horizon
Pog champ in here
verbal nest
I feel like I'd mess with the vibe if I started doing the chaos shit at the end of my sentences too
primal tide
Hes just being a fuhnduhng
atomic pelican
correct.
thin horizon
Anyone else remember the time noise marines played a concert during the middle of a giant blood orgy?
storm jungle
almost half of twitter and tumblr thinks the entire problem of our species derive from men
thin horizon
i do
primal tide
almost half of twitter and tumblr thinks the entire problem of our species deriv...
And the other half, the same but from women lol
storm jungle
lmao pretty much
atomic pelican
reddit moment
storm jungle
how can a man like a woman?
primal tide
They deserve each other
storm jungle
DISGUSTING
thin horizon
DIS-GUST-TANG
verbal nest
It was fuckin one o yas
thin horizon
what is?
odd sparrow
stuff that isn't relating to 40k lore actually heck
verbal nest
The emperor when he realises living beings require love and support
https://c.tenor.com/eVjGbC5txMUAAAAM/neil-degrasse-tyson.gif
primal tide
We are living through the super prequel to 40k, we're making the lore as we speak
odd sparrow
brb gonna go find big E
thin horizon
can we just hurry and jump to the Techno Barbarians? That sounds fun
odd sparrow
nah that's ages away
thin horizon
or so you think, the records of 40k suck
storm jungle
dangit
odd sparrow
like at least 25K, probably quite a bit later
unless there were technofucker barbarians pre age of strife
storm jungle
The Age of Terra is NOW! It is the age you, lovely readers all, are currently living in so you too technically are part of the history of the Warhammer 40,000 universe and part of the reason why the galaxy eventually goes down into its deep grimdarkness. Google, Facebook, and all the rest are doing their part to bring us to the next stage, the Dark Age of Technology.
odd sparrow
oh it literally objectively is tbh
it's just mad max, complete with the leather
until the leather gets replaced by gold in 30k
thin horizon
Leather Marines? I could see it
odd sparrow
u mean the emperors children
thin horizon
"yes"
odd sparrow
that's how the emperors children recruits new battle brothers
emphasis on the brothers bit
odd sparrow
god bless
Any fantasy universe that isn't willing to write in [suddenly gay] characters is actually just cowardly
storm jungle
Thats kinda the thing though
40k is afraid of it obviously lol
i remember reading a really recent interview for a sororitas novel and the author says she cant make the sororitas LGBT because "they're nuns"
when they obviously arent
and more like templars
its bad corporate excuses mostly
atomic pelican
40k fears the chud community part that it has fostered
or bad writing
either/and/or
or rather, GW does, or did
Things seem to be changing
odd sparrow
yeah i feel it happens a lot with super big universes. like, smaller niche-ish fantasy universes can afford to write in more colourful stuff without getting so many dumbass fans writing to them
primal tide
They'll change if the money points that way
storm jungle
Yeah absolutely ratty
its the same reason nobody says "fuck"
and says stupid insults like "feth"
odd sparrow
ye p
storm jungle
because british lol
odd sparrow
cmon we have so many colourful curses though????
i feel my culture isn't being properly represented
storm jungle
Its funny because they actually say "bitch"
storm jungle
but not "c*nt" 👀
odd sparrow
fuck shit etc are pushing it
i swear cunt is like. of all the swears it varies the most per region
here it's like, moderately severe, in america it's v severe and in australia it's practically a compliment
i have to check someone's nationality before interpreting their statement
storm jungle
I gotta say though
"cunt" might be the greatest swear word ever imo
the most culturally verified and solid one too lol
odd sparrow
idk fuck is still the most versatile
storm jungle
true but you get what i mean azumgi
odd sparrow
nods
storm jungle
nods
final spruce
It depends where you say it
In Australia and England ? Its an everyday word
Just don't say it in America
It's like fanny
atomic pelican
yeah i feel it happens a lot with super big universes. like, smaller niche-ish f...
Idk If It's every large universe. I think this is mainly a problem with 40k specifically. AoS doesn't have this problem sdfuhndfhn
Probably because 40k's "Protagonist" is a fascist state which genocides different people
final spruce
By Angron's balls
odd sparrow
possible. Like, to me all the super weird and interesting fantasy universes were kinda lowkey at the time
stuff like old school elder scrolls
atomic pelican
Oh in the 80s/90s? Yee for sure
odd sparrow
they could get away with all kinds of nonsense then cus they were appealing to a pretty niche market of mostly non-moronic adults. 40k now is a huge brand that wants to appeal to as many groups as possible
atomic pelican
Idk, 40k has been Like That since for as long as I can remember
storm jungle
^
odd sparrow
same
odd sparrow
fun™️
atomic pelican
I've read that in the early rogue trader days It was moreso a actual satire, but that doesn't really sell well
primal tide
💸
storm jungle
its not like GoT books where people are really blunt and use realistic rough-talk
odd sparrow
ye
primal tide
The show still sanitized a bunch of shit
storm jungle
nah i mean the books
primal tide
I know
atomic pelican
Reject bad GoT writing
storm jungle
whoops sorry
atomic pelican
Embrace Chad Tolkien
storm jungle
nooOOO
odd sparrow
silence
tolkien and GoT not comparable
That said, in spite of that Tolkien is still peak
storm jungle
Yeah like tolkien is unfortunately incomparable
atomic pelican
Idk, I think there are valid critiques of Tolkien. LoTr isn't perfect usdhfnduhnf
storm jungle
even in interviews he mumbles and talks a lot since you can tell he cant fit in his ideas into words half the time
also to be fair at least tolkien had his regrets lol
primal tide
Relatable
storm jungle
and isnt a fraud like the Witcher writer
"owo michael moorcock who? Geralt is totally my original OC"
odd sparrow
Tolkien had a super dry writing style. Some people like it and some people don't
personally i don't really have the attention span for it
thouugh like, the shorter stories-ish in the Silmarillion are fine for me. There's a lot of information crammed into very little text with that stuff, with LOTR it's the opposite
primal tide
Loved the hobbit as a kid but struggled to get thru lotr at the time
odd sparrow
ye mood
primal tide
Which tracks, he wrote hob as a story for his kids, and lotr once they were older
odd sparrow
especially bad for me cus i knew all the story beats anyways, i've watched the films more than i can count
storm jungle
to quote a youtuber i like on the lotr movies
"I know Tolkien is rolling in his grave. But this is fucking awesome."
odd sparrow
but yeah. Like, Tolkien kinda innovated the entire fantasy field, comparing him to a much much later writer kinda working off many of the same concepts and ideas is never gonna fully be fair
that's not to say non-tolkien fantasy is somehow lesser in comparison, it's different stuff and i enjoy it more most of the time tbh just cus of different writing styles, but yeah
atomic pelican
Oh I was just meming, but GoT bad anyways 😏
primal tide
Upvote farming, eh?
primal tide
Enjoy
This isnt 100% the right channel, but has there been any word/details about darktide since the reveal came out?
loud forge
Only what people have deciphered from the trailer video they released.
atomic pelican
I think Hedge said "soon" in terms of info?
primal tide
I remember VT2 was like 6 months from announcement to release
cerulean wagon
im expecting a full year on this one chief
loud forge
same
primal tide
Oh yeah, that wouldn't be surprising
old haven
vagrant osprey
Wild theory: The Grey Knights were made by the Alpha Legion as part of an 8D chess gambit they probably forgot about less than a century later.
atomic pelican
Just as Planned(tm)
rotund siren
Just according to keikaku
verbal nest
Galaxy wide checkers
Is it possible to turn to chaos and still have your personality?
mint hill
Chaos mostly just finds your worst traits and makes them more dominant.
crisp heath
I dont think a nurgle dude can go back
And I dont think a khornate dude can turn back too
mint hill
Khorne yes, Nurgle no, As Nurgles rot, specifically turns anyone who dies from it, into a plaugebearer.
crisp heath
Even if you turn back you'll be a filthy shite chaos soawn
Khorne's can?
I thought they get afflicted with an uncontrollable bloodlust
verbal nest
I don't see cheech boy being mentioned here
storm jungle
Titsnitch reeee
verbal nest
Is it true cheech is the most powerful just coz he's basically Illusion 100
verbal nest
Apparently he can just think his enemies away
crisp heath
Tzeentch can throw away his worshippers
mint hill
They used to try and steal eachothers champions, also, if you gain the favor of all you're pretty much just undivided plus
crisp heath
Only a dumbass would worship tzeentch tbh
Probably 80% of his dudes become chaos spawn
mint hill
Not really, Intelegence is a requirement.
crisp heath
It's basically a suicide trap
verbal nest
Ok so, is it possible to worship a Chaos god without being turned into a walking corpse
Just like, you get powers or something
mint hill
There's only 3 fates for a worshipper of chaos, Spawndom, Death or Deamon Prince.
verbal nest
Spawndom sounds like kinky frog sex
mint hill
Nah, Slaanesh is the bigger deathtrap than Khorne
crisp heath
Well then khorne is your best choice tbh
verbal nest
I mean if you go Slaanesh, you'll become the big tiddy goth gf you always wanted
crisp heath
Yeah I guess the best god to worship is khorne
mint hill
Undivided is your best bet.
rotund siren
but with your him you'll just die in combat or in a murder-murder-murder-suicide
because all blood is good blood
verbal nest
Can't the chaos gods just fuck with stuff themselves or is a 2 way connection required
mint hill
The Chaos gods exist in a place with no time.
verbal nest
And no lore sense
mint hill
Not really, the eye of terror is full of dead planets and they love those.
crisp heath
Planets dying is funny to them
Since they dont need it
Same thing happened to fantasy
Slaanesh went to horny jail after end times
storm jungle
Ok so, is it possible to worship a Chaos god without being turned into a walking...
Im late but no, mutations will pop up sooner or later
crisp heath
And got replaced by a chad
storm jungle
Also I still love how in fantasy Slaanesh was like
mint hill
End times was good lore, Until they went too far
crisp heath
^^^
lol
Include the horned rat
Since he did alot of work
To finish up what archaon started
storm jungle
He had some good plot armor 👌
mint hill
Archeon was a terrible chaos champion
mint hill
No, they aren't.
crisp heath
They are half-unlimited
mint hill
they kill 80-95% of their forces to kill 20% of yours
crisp heath
True
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
And then some 80% comes back up
storm jungle
Literally 90% of their population is slaves that can die from a single punch from how sickly they are
mint hill
Yeah, what makes them deadly is their experements, which they can never re-create
Because they are so successful, they kill everyone and everything around it, including the inventor.
crisp heath
The others are either fucking greater daemons, Literal rats blessed by the horned rat himself, Or moulder unholy beasts
mint hill
Skyre is the 'most powerful' followed by Moulder.
cerulean wagon
remember how that one skaven assassinated the dwarf high king with no issues at all despite the high kings throne being super defnce ladden
mint hill
They tollerate Pestilince because they already fought like, 2 or 3 civil wars with them.
cerulean wagon
literaly died off screen thats how smooth it was
crisp heath
@cerulean wagon sniktch is a fucking legend
mint hill
Not really.
crisp heath
His blades are fucking crazy
mint hill
There's a sweet piece of lore out there of one of the origional 13 council members who's a giant combat beast
Sleeps like 90% of the time, then wakes up and eats stuff, then goes back to sleep.
crisp heath
Oh you mean sneek?
astral hornet
Would they stand in 40k though?
mint hill
Nah, they just forged pure warpstone into a sword and gave it to a patsy to go fight nagash
crisp heath
Now imagine how fucking upgraded it would be
mint hill
Yes, Skaven would stand in 40k as they are like Orks, but more insidious. They'd be like, Ork Genestealers.
crisp heath
They would make a death star of sorts
astral hornet
@mint hill that sounds horrifying
mint hill
Moving from planet to planet via imperial ships, and take over the underhives.
astral hornet
Ork problems on a planet is basically Exterminatus
storm jungle
🍄 🍄 🍄 🍄 🍄
astral hornet
you're saying Ratmen would be... worse?
mint hill
It's really their tech that makes skaven dangerous as they are natural cowards and will only attack a solitary person in great numbers, or if they are basically on deaths doorstep.
crisp heath
They made automatic guns, Nukes, Energy weapons, Cyborgs
storm jungle
yeah its important to remember 70% of the time their tech malfunctions
cerulean wagon
skaven arent in 40k cause theres no mcguffinite
astral hornet
hahahaha
cerulean wagon
i mean warpstone
mint hill
I mean, they'd literally just use pure warp energy.
cerulean wagon
its their excuse for all their bullshit
astral hornet
They're cunning as hell
storm jungle
skaven arent in 40k cause theres no mcguffinite
god this
I fucking hate warpstone sometimes
mint hill
Warpstone is solified magic.
storm jungle
its presented as this "make-all-" device when the lore on it is as barren as a desert
crisp heath
Warpstone deathstar
Remember when skaven tried to crash a fucking moon in the world
Just to get more warpstone
mint hill
It was a rocket they launched into the moon to shatter it.
storm jungle
*crack
astral hornet
I'm really unfamiliar with Fantasy lore but, are there other planets? Or are all the races on the same world?
astral hornet
I've heard a weird theory too
That it's set in 40k somewhere that hasn't been found yet
mint hill
There are other planets. But fantasy takes place on 'the Old World'
cerulean wagon
new lore there are multiple planes of existence, like dnd
storm jungle
storm jungle
That it's set in 40k somewhere that hasn't been found yet
also that was something GW was hinting at for memes
then they realised how it was kinda silly
and just made fantasy its seperate universe
BUT obviously the chaos gods still exist
because evil
mint hill
The lizardmen were created by the 'old ones' and Ork spores came with the Old ones spaceships/webway/whatever to get them into the lore/world.
I mean, the chaos gods have never, and always existed 😛
astral hornet
The only Chaos god that sticks out for me is Slaanesh
Because it's so fucked up how it came to be
The Eldar murder fucking it into existence 😂
mint hill
Well, it was more seeking the most depraved sensations, not just murder fucking.
storm jungle
^
Its mostly said as a joke but yeah they did do murder-fucking
but it was also a big share of other sick shit
mint hill
that aside, new noise marines when, right.
mint hill
Yeah, but who bought the classic guitar noise marine when it was re-done in plastic?
I know I did...
astral hornet
Well, it was more seeking the most depraved sensations, not just murder fucking.
Fair enough, I've only ever heard it as that and it cracks me up
cerulean wagon
people call it that in the same way the lasgun gets called a flashlight
its just a wide spread meme nobody realy knows the actual stuff about at this point
astral hornet
Lasguns are actually quite powerful if you hit the exact same spot with it multiple times
lel
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
even forgetting that the lasgun has power settings
mint hill
Lasguns are more or less the same as an automatic weapon, like a stub gun, it's just easier to maintain, repair, and replace the parts to, which is why it's more commonly used than projectile weapons.
mint hill
I've played enough games of 40k with plasma guns to know how that works.
cerulean wagon
on max power a lasgun can punch through certain parts of SM power armour
namely the joints and eyes
mint hill
and the abdominal cabeling I believe as well.
but they only get like, a few shots before it drains the battery, it's why they don't do it.
Well, Don't do it often and survive.
cerulean wagon
ye
iirc standard cadian lasgun battery lasts for 60
on full thats cut down to 15
mint hill
A tank.
Yes, EMP's Exist but I think only the Tau really use that tech as the Admech would throw a hissyfit for damaging machine spirits.
cerulean wagon
emps exist yes
mint hill
And I think Certain eldar do as well, as Haywire is EMP
cerulean wagon
@verbal nest depends what you call efficient
usualy headshots
as with anything
bolt, las, plasma
mint hill
Well...
cerulean wagon
doesnt matter
mint hill
Cassius is missing half his head, and a few other marines...
verbal nest
Are the Astartes in the Astartes videos unpowered to what the lore says they are like
mint hill
Generally anti tank weaponry is the way to go.
I'd say it's pretty accurate to what they are supposed to be like.
cerulean wagon
they are overpowered
mint hill
They are fighting bog standard humans.
cerulean wagon
they take autocannon fire and it bounces off
verbal nest
Also, we see at least 10 Astartes in the first episode, but at the end of the series there's like 4 of em getting sucked by chaos ball
cerulean wagon
they also take multi las fire, which cuts through actual tanks
mint hill
The guy who gets hit with the multi las also has rows of human meatsheilds weakening the beam
verbal nest
Ok
Why don't they make Astartes sized titans
mint hill
Because Astartes are humans.
cerulean wagon
because they did and they dont like to talk about it @verbal nest
men of iron are terrifying
verbal nest
Ok but
That's expensive
cerulean wagon
yes
verbal nest
Remove the AI
Make the Astartes titans controlled remotely
cerulean wagon
we got servitors for that
verbal nest
Can servitors remotely control things
mint hill
The men of Iron isn't really talked about a lot in 40k lore, most of it is snippets here and there.
No.
there's very -very- limited non hands on tech that gets used.
As the imperium fears a machine uprising again.
cerulean wagon
???
mint hill
Not really. It caused the collapse of the human steller empire that took thousands of years to remake.
Basically from the end of the dark age of technology to the 41st milenium is the rebuilding of the war with the men of iron.
the Horus Heresy was maybe like, 50% less bad than that.
As they lost a -lot- of technology which cannot be remade, such as, black hole guns.
verbal nest
Black hole gun is my favourite song
mint hill
But yeah, dark age tech makes Elder stuff look weaksauce.
cerulean wagon
sabers cant block bolter explosions
mint hill
I mean, lightsabers would probably cut through them pretty good.
But, Astertes don't fight fair so, they'd be lobbing grenades, and Jedi wear no armor.
cerulean wagon
except the bit where you know
they explode
so you cut it
and now your face is shrapnel
mint hill
They could just, use the force to push them aside.
But really, Jedi vs A space marine is like picking the highest level dude, to go fight a basic footsoldier.
The astarties being the basic foot soldier.
cerulean wagon
They could just, use the force to push them aside.
and this statement is why the argument is dumb
cause SW has no defined rules for the force, it can just be used as an excuse to ix anything
astral hornet
I think they'd get rekt personally
mint hill
Depends on the range I'd say.
Outside of Melee range marine would likely win.
Inside, the Jedi would.
Mostly due to the lightsaber being an OP melee weapon.
cerulean wagon
except the part where power swords would stop the light saber
or any power weapon
since it works on a similar function
astral hornet
But lets say, the jedi cut off an arm, what is stopping Hypothetical Astartes other arm
mint hill
The continual swing of the lightsaber cutting through the rest of him.
cerulean wagon
what your saying rivia
is he would mountain him after losing an arm
just pop his eyes like grapes
astral hornet
Yeah 🙂
mint hill
Also, I don't know the properties of a lightsaber, if it actually has a 'solid mass' or not.
I just know it has a containment field for the blade, I'm not a huge star wars buff.
astral hornet
I'm super biased though as the grim dark future is much better than a galaxy far far away
astral hornet
I'm on his Patreon 😄
cerulean wagon
it doesnt have mass sez
astral hornet
He fucking deserves it
cerulean wagon
its pure plasma
astral hornet
It would make sense considering he gets ganked by orks
Man that scene is sooooo cool 😄
I haven't seen any animation capture 40k so perfectly
mint hill
I kind of want to watch the marine just ripping through a hundred gaunts in Glorious Melee.
storm jungle
I love how it shows them being overwhelmed too
mint hill
Before getting ganked by a Tyranid warrior.
storm jungle
especially that one marine on his back with a ripped leg
cerulean wagon
ye the eldar and nid teasers are my fav so far
mint hill
Whoever did the black templar Grimaldus video was a good one too. I can't remember the name off the top of my head.
storm jungle
I just like how its gonna be different
its a nice contrast since the first astartes was them just steamrolling humans with almost no issue
meanwhile 3 BOYZ FOIGHTIN'
storm jungle
👀
storm jungle
Ah good times
astral hornet
Man this game is what got me into 40k
I'd sit for hours just making armies, good times indeed
astral hornet
yeahn
storm jungle
But I stick to Dark Crusade since it has a open campaign
astral hornet
I liked Soulstorm for adding Sororitas and Dark Eldar but that campaign was just Dark Crusade
mint hill
I would have respended earlier, but I can't not watch that video.
Yeah, Winter assault was pretty good.
astral hornet
Just the end when Necrons turn up
And you have to fuck them up with the Titan atm cannon
mint hill
My friend would never use the librarian in multiplayer because he felt so betrayed by the in game storyline in the first dawn of war.
astral hornet
YES !!!!!!!!!!!
astral hornet
There is only Dawn of War
storm jungle
Yeah i dont like DoW2 but 1 and 2 should be held in the same regard, they're both good games for their own right
3 can go and die tho
astral hornet
I've always been a big C&C fan so I could never get into the play style of DOW 2
but yeah 3 can go die more
DoW 2 is more like tabletop right?
storm jungle
Yeah small squads against legions of enemies.
astral hornet
I completely ignored it when I heard of the gameplay shift
I might try it now I'm older
cerulean wagon
2 is a good like
tactical real time rpg
for the campaign
ignore the skirmish mode tho
storm jungle
@astral hornet If you cant just give thunder psyker a shot
It was made this year too, its great
lots of memes
astral hornet
"Astartes Pattern Pepper Grinder" 😂 Subscribed
storm jungle
sdfklldfksj
Yeah thunderpsyker is great lmao
also you arent there yet but theres even a tremors meme lol
astral hornet
I might play this game ya know 😄 I've been smashing Xcom recently thinking it would be cool if there was a 40k mod for it
Guess I'll play DoW 2 haha
verbal nest
Consoom
primal tide
+1 for dow2 campaign being rad as hell
Avitus with devastator squad being my favorite bro
astral hornet
I'm in a clusterfuck off an XCOM playthrough atm, once I'm done torturing myself with that I'll play DOW 2
crisp heath
storm jungle
Hmm yes i can use some of balder's commentary
astral hornet
I think I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like his voice
Good content though
astral hornet
Are there any living saints that aren't Adeptus Sororitas?
cerulean wagon
yes, male saints
storm jungle
Yeee!
cunning lantern
verbal nest
Ok so
Why can't people communicate with the emperor if only his physical body is dead
kind dove
Supposedly certain folks have, but they leave it vague. Roboute is one off the top of my head
verbal nest
Here's an idea: what if the emperor communicated with Roboute how to fix the imperium (well I say fix but it's not like the emperor can either do anything about it or make a better one)
Was the emperor a xenophobe too? Idk if he was shitting on the eldar and tau back then too
mint hill
So, re-conquor the imperium and burn down all religious shrines?
verbal nest
If that's what Roboute thinks is a good idea
Idk how much he hates the emperor or anything
mint hill
That's what the Emperor did.
verbal nest
Yeah but surely Roboute knows that the emperor was a piece of shit too
mint hill
He thought religion held back humanity and actively sought to destroy it.
cerulean wagon
He does but he also know why the emporer did some of the shit he did
like hiding the webway project and chaos
storm jungle
And by this point Big E is almost just done
a book from year back literally has him saying "I can't go on"
especially since his body and astral form is stuck between the materium
verbal nest
Is he kerillian
GODS, I CANT GO ON
crisp heath
Khorne
storm jungle
🌽
mint hill
He's basically just sitting on a power outlet.
storm jungle
^
cerulean wagon
on the subject of rowboat and the emp
verbal nest
Rowboat jelly man
storm jungle
We know sweetie
mint hill
Khorne never wins.
crisp heath
Khorne win
mint hill
Khorne plays for the draw.
final spruce
I mean, Matt Ward is gone, no need to shit in Gulliman
crisp heath
I think He still Has faith in humanity. Otherwise He could have given Up a Long Time ago, shutting down warptravel and letting them Fall Back in dark Times.
But that Just what i think, Not based on lore
storm jungle
Yeah he still kind of cares
final spruce
His chapter ? Yes because they are a bitch on tabletop
cerulean wagon
@verbal nest that song covers it pretty well, honestly a realy nice go at gullimans perspective on the whole mess
verbal nest
Ok so
Apparently Roboute thinks it isn't actually M42 just coz no information is saved efficiently, so how far off could he be
final spruce
But Roboute himself is the man
storm jungle
Ok so
Apparently Roboute thinks it isn't actually M42 just coz no information is...
Honestly not much
its just drama for the sake of drama
verbal nest
Warhammer be like
storm jungle
and to show how fucked the imperium is since the Rift opened
verbal nest
Rift?
cerulean wagon
man the rift is such a cool idea
crisp heath
Honestly tbh the emperor doesn't care anymore
cerulean wagon
a shame GW fixed it already
mint hill
All time is based off of the 'standard Terran Time' Until that sun explodes they'll use a singular point of time.
final spruce
I like Gulliman sometimes does jokes bit his space marines dont get it
cerulean wagon
crisp heath
He basically sent all his troopers and soldiers to fight the little rebellion that was left
cerulean wagon
that black spot? thats the great rift
literaly splits teh galaxy in half
massive warp storm
final spruce
Like when he compares his mobility inside his regen armor to a battlebarge and his sons look at him skeptical
verbal nest
So is the centre a supermassive black hole or
storm jungle
Basically
imagine a black hole
but its filled with demons
and things that want to rip you apart
final spruce
Yeah the Eye of Terror, black hole that leads to the warp, had massive fissure
verbal nest
So are black holes in 40k just warp rifts or something
verbal nest
Oh ok
storm jungle
Its basically a giant scar that leads to the Immaterium aka the Warp where all the fuckboi demons are
verbal nest
So has the black hole that's supposed to be at the centre of the galaxy gone or
final spruce
Also Skelly
verbal nest
Wait so how is it split
Just go up or down
Space is 3d
final spruce
They dont have access to the light of the Astronomicon
verbal nest
Astronomy@storm jungle
final spruce
And psykers cannot even soulbound to big e anymore
verbal nest
Astrology is stars in space looking like funny shiy
crisp heath
Astronomy for the galactic empire is actually supreme
Tell me one unconquered planet
storm jungle
Im not sure how that even matters to the topic at hand
verbal nest
Are chaos psykers just mega powerful then
mint hill
Earth.
crisp heath
Psykers are poo
storm jungle
@verbal nest Yes but also more explodey
mint hill
It's always been in human hands.
cerulean wagon
its a rent in warp space, which is needed to travel long distances @verbal nest. the best way to imagine it is the galaxy is a doughnut, and someone just bit half the doughnut off
crisp heath
Or turn into tentacles
verbal nest
<@!287610766041939978> Yes but also more explodey
Unchained be like
cerulean wagon
like
crisp heath
Depends on what god
cerulean wagon
hang on lemme just
verbal nest
What about Daemons n shit
storm jungle
Its just that they are also unstable af
crisp heath
Daemons are op
storm jungle
unless you're a chad like Ahriman
crisp heath
Yeah they are temporary powerful
final spruce
Well yeah, because they usually dont have the tech the Imperium use to stabilize a bit the psyker and without the training
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
Chaos psykers always turn into a tentacle
primal tide
Wait so how is it split
Just go up or down
Space is 3d
The milky way is relatively flat, on a galactic scale
cerulean wagon
@verbal nest if you gimme like 5 mins I'll draw something in paint to explain, and then throw a block of text if you want more details
verbal nest
Well yeah, because they usually dont have the tech the Imperium use to stabilize...
The irony
storm jungle
You're a psyker harry
verbal nest
FNDNDNFHD I'm a what
storm jungle
A SOIKAH
verbal nest
WAAAAAAGGGH
final spruce
Irony you say ?
storm jungle
"YUZ A WEIRDBOI"
verbal nest
Oui
final spruce
Why ?
verbal nest
OIM A WOT
I say irony coz psykers in the imperium are still basically hot potatos
If the potato was a millennium out of date
final spruce
Yeah they are, but atleast they got failsafes
final spruce
Last one being a bolter to the head from a commissar
verbal nest
What's the other failsafes apart from a swift bolt shot
storm jungle
Yeah mostly for sanctioned psykers that are out in the field
final spruce
Having brain implants to reduce the shock of the warp
verbal nest
Can a servitor be a psyker
cerulean wagon
rough sketch of how the rift is blocking shit @verbal nest. It's like a wall of warp turbulence that stops the light of the astronomicon guiding navigators (the people that fly ships through the warp)
mint hill
Yes and no.
A psyker could be made into a servitor, but a servitor is lobotomized and more or less dead.
final spruce
Warp is all about emotion power, Servitors are emotionless for the most part
cerulean wagon
yes
final spruce
But yeah Grim, only the best or the safest psykers actually get out of the black ships
cerulean wagon
Basically to fly a ship you have navigators, people who have a 3rd eye who can look into the warp without dying. They rely on astronomicon beacons (basically light houses in the warp) to find their way through warp space
final spruce
They travel using Nether portal technology if you ever played Minecraft
storm jungle
AKA they go through hell
verbal nest
Interdictors in star wars basically create a "gravity well" (not really) in hyperspace (which is an alternate dimension) to stop ships in hyperspace and pull them into real space
cerulean wagon
This rift contains so much turbulence and unstable energy its impossible for said light to pass through, and to travel it blindly could drop you anywhere at all
barren tapir
That is why WH40K pretty much win aganist all other universe... Metal as f boyzzz
cerulean wagon
the sheer amount of energy also disrupts gellar fields, which are the only things stopping demons boarding your vessel
cerulean wagon
idk, SW giving GW a run for their money there
barren tapir
the sheer amount of energy also disrupts gellar fields, which are the only thing...
That is why the forst crossing where done with SoS on board
verbal nest
I'm on about how shit can just be overwritten in Warhammer if a writer or GW likes to
storm jungle
Yeah but also remember
warp travel rarely fails
it just has the CHANCE to fuck up
cerulean wagon
and oh boi
verbal nest
Everything has a chance to fuck up
cerulean wagon
does it fuck up
final spruce
All Guardsman party flashbacks
cerulean wagon
Actualy if story time
barren tapir
it just has the CHANCE to fuck up
But those chance get quite high when you go through a warpstorm
storm jungle
like for example in a really recent book the gellar fields went down for 1 SECOND when they were crossing the rift, and the entire fucking ship got clustered by demons
cerulean wagon
I used to be part of a rogue trader campaign and i have a fun warp travel story
final spruce
Having a PC Navigator is great
barren tapir
Was my message so bad that it need a cross?
final spruce
They arent the strongest but they are useful for space faring
cerulean wagon
We were doing a warp jump and our navigator decided "na that roll wasn't good enough, I'm going to reroll that success" and immediatly critically failed his warp navigation check
This lead to a jump that was going to take 3 weeks taking 3 months
The first sign something was wrong is we found one of the tech priests merging with the deck
thick shadow
When the emotions and imaginations gets a "shape"
kind dove
Yeah in one of the Cain novels the Gellar field failed for a second and a huge demon invaded the bridge and wrecked the command deck
cerulean wagon
I ended up quarantining the entirety of engineering
then closing our navigators quators as a demon manifest in there
had to go in and try and fight it
barren tapir
I ended up quarantining the entirety of engineering
Gellarpox infection, i call it
kind dove
Causing the entire ship with the Valhalla 597th regiment crashing into the planet
barren tapir
then closing our navigators quators as a demon manifest in there
This is also bad, navigators are primary target for demons
cerulean wagon
emporer class ship sized demonic flesh lump is on a collision course with our ship
I ended up ejecting the entirety of the population of engineering into the warp (around 1000 people) and we narrowly avoided the demon
re-emerge from the warp
we have like no engineering crew left
gellar field is frazzled
barren tapir
I ended up ejecting the entirety of the population of engineering into the warp ...
NGL, this is a true WH40K solution
cerulean wagon
i didnt have much choice
there was so muhc blood the entire engineering bay was flooded
like 2 floors of our ship
storm jungle
That time of the month huh
barren tapir
That is what many people don't understand about WH40K, it is not that people is sadistic or evil, it is just that what they do is the best solution in that moment
storm jungle
also sadistic RNG
barren tapir
That time of the month huh
ROFL
trim talon
Normally that solution is violence
storm jungle
I HAD TO
cerulean wagon
my character was depressed for the rest of the campaign
thick shadow
Imagine what if all the species that linked to warp never felt and/or think the "bad"
cerulean wagon
ended up dying holding a tervigon off
so my team could Evac from a cortex bomb we had planted on a sunken hive ship
barren tapir
ended up dying holding a tervigon off
True man end 07
cerulean wagon
and yes as dilara mentioned earlier event horizon is a great showing of fucky warp shit
also have this updated map
primal tide
YUP
storm jungle
I still love how the entire 40k fandom agrees that event horizon is a 40k movie
also eyyy nice going skelly
primal tide
I think the director said something about it being a direct inspiration or sth
storm jungle
Yeah halfly or so
barren tapir
Nice map
vernal belfry
Well now I know what I'm watching tonight
cerulean wagon
the worst bit of that campaign i mentioned btw
is i was playing the budy of a depressed war vet
trying to earn him a better life in the rogue trader fleet
cerulean wagon
i love it so much lol
vernal belfry
Pretty much what eldars think whenever they come accros chaos
storm jungle
Yeeee like the webway is actually more mind-fucky than murderous
It has its hazards but its A LOT more smoother compared to warp travel
cerulean wagon
unless you tread the untravelled paths
thick shadow
Can't we just open the door?
cerulean wagon
then the web way destabilizes and falls into the warp
vernal belfry
Yeeee like the webway is actually more mind-fucky than murderous
What else would you expect from knife ears anyway ?
storm jungle
Smh
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
Dilara did i tell you about the real neat rogue trader adventure that i found about a craftworld that tried to stay in the webway forever?
storm jungle
You havent!
cerulean wagon
aight hold up gotta grab it
vernal belfry
Isn't that pretty much what dark eldars do ?
cerulean wagon
DE live in a pocket dimention connected to the webway
storm jungle
their use of it is actually really limited but they use it sparingly
cerulean wagon
except they dont anymore
cause that pocket dimension got overun by demons in the fall of biel tan
thick shadow
No "warp" Just make the door that contacts each spot!
vernal belfry
Oh that changed ? I really need to get up to date on my lore
storm jungle
Wait really?
cerulean wagon
yes
storm jungle
I thought vect plugged that shit up
cerulean wagon
cormmaraunt is gone
storm jungle
or is the city temporarily in chaos for now
WHAT
WHEN
VECT WOULD NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN
cerulean wagon
when the avatar of death spawned in the middle of the city
vernal belfry
Want some chaos with a side of chaos ? Or just plain chaos ?
cerulean wagon
and fucked everything up
it was part of the eldar changes to make the new faction
that is eldar and dark eldar as one faction under the death god
ynead?
storm jungle
No I swear the city is just in turmoil from what I remember
It wouldnt make sense otherwise considering dark eldar are already getting a new codex
And Vect as a ""dark muse"" is trying to gain control back with his loyalists against the ynnead sided kabals
but its been awhile, id have remembered if commorragh was gone, that would be a HUGE deal
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
and it was full demon breach
like
they made sure to say it was full "this is fucked"
thick shadow
Wait, that door opened?
storm jungle
Khaine's Gate
the best part is
Vect put most of the kabals he didnt like there as a promotion
since hes a twat lol
thick shadow
Khaine's Gate
Yes, that one
cerulean wagon
ye khaines gate opened
may have retconned it already like they did with new tau lore tho
so
🤷
thick shadow
I'm falling behind again!
cerulean wagon
this was gathering storm stuff
so like, late last year
when they did the banshees in plastic
anyway back onto what i was gonna say
first of all
heres the cover art
storm jungle
👀
thick shadow
looks like someone gets an eldar gf
storm jungle
~~looks like someone gets an eldar gf~~
that book actually has a "Can love boom on the battlefield" joke
cerulean wagon
So the adventure is based around this craftworld thats been lost for like
thick shadow
Anyway, I want to exterminatus it
cerulean wagon
a millenium
cause it used to exist purely in the webway
but to stay there it had to take the paths untravelled
it then fell into the warp with a single person managing to escape
a farseer
because it turned out the path they took went to the Rifts of Hecaton
so that was fun for them
verbal nest
"heck a tonne"
cerulean wagon
nobody has seen it since, and then the adventure starts with the farseer trying to get you to investigate the craftworld as it re-emerges from the warp
the campaign then consists of traversing a dead craftworld that is full of demons and other corruption
and then finding out why it is the farseer wants you to go there in the first place
i honestly love it cause it explore just
eldar stuff
not plans, not combat things
just what they leave behind
storm jungle
I should get a pdf of this
I do like elves
👀
also craftworlds barely get explored in lore to begin with, aside from "uwu we like gardening"
cerulean wagon
hang on heres an exert
BONESINGER’S GARDENS
Smaller and less common than the formerly lush Gardens
of Introspection, it was here that the long dead Bonesingers
of Lu’Nasad congregated with their fellows to commune,
make art, and further explore the secrets of their craft.
A combination sculpture park and outdoor workshop,
the Bonesinger’s Gardens were once home to a myriad of
Wraithbone statues both graceful and contemplative. They
also possessed numerous small singing areas given over to
other, related arts where Bonesingers could congregate to
improve themselves and their path.
Now, however, the Bonesinger’s Gardens on Lu’Nasad are
grim and oppressive places indeed. Their statues have been
torn down or defaced, and black, thorny Wraithbone vines
engulf those still standing. The graceful arches and spires of
the workspaces are collapsed, and the ground is littered with
broken Wraithbone and shattered Spirit Stones. Worst of all,
dozens of the deadly Eldar automata known as Wraithguard
stalk the once well-tended paths and rubble-strewn fi elds.
Driven by the maddened souls of ancient Eldar heroes, these
silent sentinels attack anything they encounter, including
one another, and the bones of their victims and the shattered
husks of dead Wraithguard can still be found tangled together
in low lying areas of the Gardens.
cerulean wagon
its a very dark campaign ngl
but im glad it gives a before and after
makes it feel like they actualy considered eldar living for once
its 4 pages dedicated to just small details like that
no stat blocks
just
"this is what was once here and how it is now"
Its part 3 of the warpstorm trilogy, plan to run it one day
storm jungle
👀
vagrant osprey
~~that book actually has a "Can love boom on the battlefield" joke~~
IIRC, that's actually a reference to the fanfic "Love Can Bloom" about a Vindicare who falls in love with Farseer Taldeer". There have been several references to it in canon.
vagrant osprey
and then CS Goto responded to finding out about it by having the Blood Ravens in his DOW adaptation break character to murderfuck Taldeer to death because he 's an awful toad who hates fans almost as much as he hates fun
primal tide
Hes telling the fans to
CS Goto horny jail
is joke
vagrant osprey
The fic wasn't even sexual. Surprisingly.
vast frigate
''surprisingly''
many fics arent sexual
its just often the bad ones that involve sex
vagrant osprey
It was posted on 4chan
vagrant osprey
Counterpoint: 4chan was never good.
vast frigate
Counterpoint: 50/50
4chan is neutral
Anything is allowed to be discussed there
Which is good and bad
vagrant osprey
Anyway, Goto was the one who wrote creepy pseudosexual guro torture porn of Taldeer being murderfucked by Blood Ravens. He's the one who belongs in horny jail.
And regular jail.
And Superjail
vast frigate
Yeah
thats kinda weird
then again IT IS 40k
Theres the Daemonculaba
theres the entire slaaneshi skinner gangs
Theres the assassin who killed Curze and was tortured and healed up for months on end till she finally cracked
vagrant osprey
Ehhhhh... Most 40k stuff tries hard to be edgy and weird, but never really gets too deep into the details.
vast frigate
''too'' define
all books that have that level of detail are either tagged or warned for on the websites
Its not something youd want to read about if youre unaware of it, or you could not care
vagrant osprey
Fair.
vagrant osprey
Yeah.
vast frigate
who go to planets just to turn other races into piles of screaming and agonized pain and torment cause they wanted to see who could do it best
and then they have fucking coffee over how to make it even worse afterwards
vagrant osprey
Yep
Ah, point of clarification: CS Goto wrote about Eldar being Slaanesh worshippers.
As-in all the Eldar.
vast frigate
Dumb man
vagrant osprey
Dumb, creepy man.
vast frigate
im all for some alien booty but the eldar dont worship slaanesh at all my duder
also i love how GW de-canonizes things
<theres no canon in warhammer but, there is a broad section you can confirm and disprove>
they just never respond or mention stuff from there anymore and write over it somewhere in the future
vagrant osprey
Everything is canon, but not necessarily true.
Oh, no. They've explicitly decanonized things before.
Like Draco.
vast frigate
yeah true
but they dont do it very often
The issue is that we get 90% from the imperium, and the imperium doesnt have the best record keeping strength
vagrant osprey
The Imperium scores negative points for recordkeeping.
Because they explicitly falsify records.
vast frigate
tho...
anything gotten from: a rogue trader, custodian, cawl or the grandmaster of the greyknights <whoever it is at the time of reading> can be assumed to be truthfully spoken
vagrant osprey
... Or somebody from the Alpha Legion.
Because if you KNOW they're Alpha Legion, then they have no reason to lie.
vast frigate
But thats the alpha legion
vagrant osprey
Because it's all a mind game anyway.
vast frigate
just accept what they say and step out of their way
otherwise theyll plan a whole convoluded scheme to nuke your watermelons
and in doing so, force you to surrender your left pinky toe to tzeentch, which will cause you to fall to nurgle and eventually become one of their servitors
vagrant osprey
The best and worst thing about the Alpha Legion is that a subsector under the total control of the Alpha Legion will appear, no matter how hard you look, to be an ordinary area of loyalist space.
vast frigate
Yep
no wait
the best thing is that they stole the best chameleo tech in the universe
and use it to dick around
vast frigate
Gene🅱️eed
vagrant osprey
The Alpha Legion is the only faction who actually understands geneseed.
This explains where the Grey Knights came from. :V
vast frigate
yeee
suddenly grey knights? nah fam
all alpha legion
Theyre all Omegon defending the emperor from the loyalists who want to make him a god
vagrant osprey
Nah, the Grey Knights are JUST the Grey Knights.
Because the Grey Knights exist to be crazy and kill demons.
BUT since chaos exists in a 'long now', any demon that is permanently killed "never existed" from that point forward
vast frigate
Theyre also there for the End Protocol
The grandmaster is the only person with the key to the emperors personal instructions]
Not even the custodes can get in
vagrant osprey
So daemons see the Grey Knights as being utterly incompetent.