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#40k-lore-chat
atomic pelican
barren tapir
It is what happen when a cardinal decide that he know what the emperor's will is instead of... Well, pretty much anyone else
atomic pelican
yess see that's neat
verbal nest
Can someone explain to me that boomer who was second in command to the Emperor?
Apparently the most powerful psyker apart from Empy
Like, that dude seemed kinda cool
thick shadow
That dude is became a dust long ago
Name's... uh...
What was his bloody name...
Malcador!
odd sparrow
We stan malcador
rotund siren
didn't he fuck up somehow, though?
I remember people saying about how he should or shouldn't have done something
odd sparrow
iirc he was real fucky in how he treated the primarchs, same as big E himself
rotund siren
mmm, rough for those kids
odd sparrow
hey to be fair by the time they met him most of them weren't kids
i say most cus a few are absolutely manchildren
rotund siren
I mean that's almost inevitable
odd sparrow
Big E needed a self help book on parenting
rotund siren
being unstoppable superhumans could make anyone's expand to fill the galaxy
he really did
maybe even 2
odd sparrow
he had some 50,000 years ish to figure out how to be a good dad and he instead learned that he just really, really likes gold
atomic pelican
Malcador drank respect women juice and tried to tell big E to have girlmarines. But the E, afraid of cooties, denied it. Iirc
barren tapir
True, Malcador the Hero tried to persuade the emperor to make half the primarchs as female
thick shadow
A TRUE HERO
barren tapir
It is a Hero by emperor decree
odd sparrow
this would be giving you a really nice figure rn if you still had the ability to process hormones
or, for that matter, if u had a figure that wasn't skeleton
see this is what you get for making all the primarchs men you chauvinistic fuckboy
thick shadow
Force femming the emperor on his throne for justice
That, T H A T is the way!
odd sparrow
the emperor goes by she/her pronouns now spread the word
atomic pelican
queen
odd sparrow
nods
though shopping for cute dresses that are the right size is hard when you're both like 12 feet tall and also a skeleton
verbal nest
Fem Horus
storm jungle
But yeah Malcador is a chad
force choked horus and everything
almost busted his eyes out
vagrant osprey
Malcador was legit.
If Emps had made the call to have Malcador abandon Terra to the warpstorms and rule the Imperium in his stead, then the Imperium would be fine right now
rotund siren
;-;
barren tapir
If Emps had made the call to have Malcador abandon Terra to the warpstorms and r...
What?
barren tapir
So, Malcador abandon terra to the warpstorms and rule the imperium?
atomic pelican
From what Im hearing it sounds like Malcador was more competent than E
storm jungle
He was imo
also fuck terra
its a shithole anyway
Just settle on anywhere else in the solar system
barren tapir
Malcador the Hero was also behind the name Emperor for the emperor
final spruce
Wasn't Malcador mentionend as the "Mom" of the group ?
vagrant osprey
Yes.
Malcador was the only person Emps would sometimes listen to when he told Emps he was being a shithead.
gray trellis
Question: How do Necrons replenish there forces?
final spruce
In the old lore, they used Pariahs, humanoids dipped into Necrodermis
Current lore, I believe they don't, they just work with what they have.
gray trellis
oh wow
final spruce
Necrons right now are a finite number, but not all of them are awake, and a good bunch of them are still sleeping in some dimensions pouches.
celest dome
huh I though it was the other way around, like Pariah being a new thing and not old lore
final spruce
Pariah do not seem to exist int he current lore
verbal nest
Aren't necrons really powerful tho
storm jungle
They are
But what would you do if you were given all the advanced tech in the world, forced to sleep, and during that sleep some assholes raided your tomb and messed up half your forces
Also its important to remember that while necrons can be "killed" physically, their bodies can still be recalled and repaired, even when the body is completely destroyed the consciousness of the necron can be saved and placed inside another body. Its why the most sure way of krumping them is to strike the core of their army aka the tomb world they get out from.
verbal nest
They're basically Apple Cloud users
odd sparrow
Yea that p much sums it up. Plus i don't think it's ever been confirmed like, how many sleeping necron tomb worlds there actually are
so functionally it might as well be infinite for GW's purposes
final spruce
I mean, necrons were a dominating race back then so you'd suppsoe they'd have billions of those
vagrant osprey
Necrons are also really hard to permanently kill.
barren tapir
There are a lot of tomb worlds, some of them were destroyed by the eldar before the necron awakening, other get lost to the warp and some others simply malfunctioned and didn't restart
vagrant osprey
You can 'kill' them, but if somebody pours more living metal on them then they get right back up.
barren tapir
They are made of living metal
vagrant osprey
And living metal is NOT something that can't be made.
barren tapir
That is why you cannot put down a necron for good, you have to destroy the nexus
Pariah were also old lore, and were human that had the pariah gene transformed into an anti-psyker necron weapon
Which in old lore were the ones that put that gene in mankind in the first place
final spruce
I recently dug a little deeper in Arbites lore, reading Dark heresy 2 and the Lexicanum
I forgot how scary their weapons are
storm jungle
Isnt it basically just shotguns, riotshields and any blunt melee weapon?
also doggos
final spruce
They use Executionere rounds in those bad boys aka auto aiming shotgun pellets
They also have cyber mastiffs boltguns, powermauls etc
rotund siren
oh yeah and bolt revolvers
final spruce
They also wear the far more impressive carapace armor
I wish they did like on Tabletop SIM and create an arbites army
vagrant osprey
I'm pretty sure you can't even field the Solar Auxilia as an army.
odd sparrow
i mean, tabletop sim allows u to use whatever models from whatever source right
storm jungle
Who gives a shit about tabletop
Solar Auxilia looks cool af
just buy em on forgeworld before they're gone forever!
final spruce
The wallet would care
odd sparrow
I have sold my apartment so I can get a solar auxilia army
i am also looking at getting a death korps army. I have considered prostitution
rotund siren
hmmmmmm
rotund siren
have you considered selling your kidney?
final spruce
Why not selling the kidnapped people to the chinese mafia ? You'd sell the whole body for a woping 16k $
odd sparrow
bold of you to assume i haven't already done that for my skaven army
rotund siren
ah, I getcha
yeah sure, kidnapping is definitely the way to go
obviously
damn, we're all getting put on a list aren't we
dark scarab
i already am on every list probably
final spruce
Hey, we get to have our own club
rotund siren
incredible!
meager sparrow
oh man, a grapplehawk would be a sick weapon for Darktide.
I remember good times in the Rogue Trader RPG when my Ghostface Killah expy character had one
verbal nest
Imagine if the missions were instead slightly open world hub areas we could go back and forth like deep rock galactic
We have the tech
vagrant osprey
Yes.
But I'm not sure ObeseMegalodon has the staff to make enough content for that to be fleshed out
And I'd 100% take smaller handcrafted levels over endless procedurally generated prefabs
thick shadow
Or maps that keep changing like some roguelikes does?
I would glad by that, as long as we DO NOT have to find something hidden, again"
vagrant osprey
Procedural generation is great for background details like trees, rivers, and other self-similar things.
If you apply it to functional items like levels or buildings then you end up with suburbia.
thick shadow
Is that means a pre-made?
vagrant osprey
Sort of!
It's a bit hard to explain, but it's basically "randomly generated with rules"
The first example of PG content creation for games was back in AD&D, where there were tables of rooms and the DM would roll dice to decide what room was connected to where.
dark scarab
i hope the hub is less empty than taal's horn keep at least
thick shadow
When they will give us the damn roofs...
vagrant osprey
TBH, it'd be REALLY nice if we could spend crafting supplies on building stuff in Taal's Horn keep.
I've got so much tier 1-4 materials.
I need something to spend it on so I no longer have 999+ of them.
thin horizon
so is this chat where i can ask a question regarding table top and lore, or?
thin horizon
its like 50/50
and the the warhammer 40k reddit seems to be just for shitty reposts of jokes and professional painters shilling their work so its tough getting input
final spruce
Depends what you're looking for
I'm not saying we're better but we're definitly smaller
thin horizon
eh
so basically, im a huge fanboy of Gaunt's Ghosts, and I like the idea of running a Blood Pact army
so, since FW and GW dont care at all about the non-primaris factions, and traitor guard got DELETED as an option, would there be issues running it as imperial guard?
final spruce
Blood Pact ? I don't know what it is
thin horizon
and would it be a problem for team events if my "loyalist" IG army had chaos all over it
oh
they are a khornate traitor guard made to the standard and based of the Imperial Guard
final spruce
You could definitly run IG with that look and say they are renegates
thin horizon
they focus on the martial prowess aspect rather than being berserkers
and yea, im just worried about proxying and how confusing it might be for team events
if i ever do play one
cause its a bit of a commitment
i dont want to have two of the same army just for asthetics, you know?
final spruce
I mean you can paint however you want
But keep in mind that, if you wanna participate in tournaments, you can say goodbye to any homebrew that isn't part of the Astra Militarum codex
thin horizon
I mean i dont want to use homebrew
id just be using the PA doctrines
and some custom model bits
which GW has said is allowed as long as its custom and not commercial
and WYSIWYG
final spruce
Only if you plan to participate in the big GW endorsed ones
Smaller ones don't really care
Also, you gotta keep in mind the 90% Games workshop plastic rule
thin horizon
id prolly only be changing the head tbh, to have the proper iron face masks
there might be a little more to get one of their vehicles, the Stalk Tank, but the majority I think I could make out of a sentinel and some extra bits
barren tapir
The blood pact was like what would happen if IG go renegade... Their tactics were just copied by the IG IIRC, they were made up mostly by ex guards too IIRC... As lore stand it would make the more sense to use them as IG, but that doesn't mean that they will be permitted in tournaments as Zherlum already said
They were quite interesting as enemies... They show that being a khrone follower doesn't mean you will be screaming and butchering anything that move
thin horizon
yea, Im not sure why they wouldnt be allowed in tournies if I only changed the heads about, as I believe it would fall under the allowance of using custom bits that I designed
barren tapir
thin horizon
but i figured id ask
and yea they are super cool
thats why i wanna run em haha
i just worry that someone might baulk that my IG rules army is covered in chaos stars
cause people are giant babies
storm jungle
Dont let anyone stop you El Smokio
thin horizon
yea why would i let other players stop me ,when GW can just keep cutting all my favorite army options in favor of more primaris, stopping me that way
final spruce
That's what worries me, especially when you play an army as expensive as IG
vast frigate
I stopped playing in gw stores cause of the die hard Geedubs mentality tbh
"Oh hey what is the buildup of that color?"
Its a 3 color wetblend of thousand sons blue, unnamed non gw paint nr1 and nr2
"Oh but im sure gw products will make it look even better!"
odd sparrow
It's probs from employees? Like, they're paid to sell GW products so
final spruce
Makes sense, sometimes , if its named sales, they get a % of it
verbal nest
My experience at a GW store was awful mainly coz
- i was 14
- I didn't know a thing about Warhammer apart from very very surface knowledge that was mostly wrong
- I was always sweating coz I was nervous and had nothing to do apart from stare at the models for 30 minutes before leaving
I did eventually buy something from there, and all my paints dried out 3 years later
Because I didn't know you needed to really clamp that bitch down in order to make em not dry up
That being said, I probably had better social skills and personal hygiene than the other nerds there
odd sparrow
tbh most of the wargaming ppl i've known have been older and pretty put together
i've thankfully not had to deal with the whole shower allergic nerdy type
celest dome
What is the power level of a Imperial/Living Saint ? Could a low power one be a possible career for Dartide ?
storm jungle
Honestly its never specified
Especially since "Faith Powers" are in a really wacky place right now and arent even specified as to what they are.
barren tapir
What is the power level of a Imperial/Living Saint ? Could a low power one be a ...
The lowest power level of a living saint would me mostly a SoB... Other than that maybe a priest... Since most power of imperial saint is more charisma than real psychic power or something similar
storm jungle
It really is just psychic power tbh
its just that the writers apparently dont want to admit it so lol
cerulean wagon
the lowest power of a living saint is just being someone who is recognised for their work, with maybe some divination on the side
i think it was saint catherine that died setting up a colonie after getting visions from the emporer as an example
but if you mean an actual living saint then doubt we'll see em cause wew
weird faith powers
what if you could just pray the entire pox plague away?
cerulean wagon
thats what i mean lol
sorry shouldnt have worded it as a question
was rhetorical
storm jungle
Pfft no worries
Its kind of why faith powers are really deus ex machina’ish for me personally
cerulean wagon
i didnt mind it when it was smallt things, similair to machine spirit style
but the more they expand on it the more rediculous it gets
verbal nest
Could the orks basically use their psyker powers to be mega OP
Like one day a bunch of em agree to "we wantz to be big spashemareen armour"
Also are orks also susceptible to chaos fuckery if they mess with psyker powers too much
storm jungle
Their psyker powers are already mega OP though
especially with their gestalt herd mentality
verbal nest
Yeah but they don't use em enough
storm jungle
Yeah thats kinda the point
aka how they cant work together properly until a bigga ork bashes them together
verbal nest
So what if they just did think up something really devastating
Like what if they wished that terra was done diddly blown up
storm jungle
Nope.
verbal nest
Dang
storm jungle
Their psychic powers are pretty overblown by the community but theres some really funny theories out there
like how they think Big E is the humie big boss so their thought on him being so badass helps in him staying alive etc
obviously not even confirmed but its funny to think about
storm jungle
yeeee
also on the matter of chaos
orks are susceptible to it but its really hard for them to get a held by demons and such, especially when Gork and Mork is their patron
if an ork got mutated by chaos the other orks would also beat the shit out of him, same with genestealer infested orks
storm jungle
Gods
verbal nest
Chaos?
verbal nest
Do they know that orks are OP psykers?
storm jungle
Yep, hence why ork psykers can randomly explode from drawing too much warp juice
verbal nest
Get this
A forgeworld
But it's all enslaved Ork psykers
Using their powers to create weapons
storm jungle
Again that doesnt work
storm jungle
the imperium wouldnt really use ork weapons since the moment you're out of their vicinity they're just junk guns
and gathering so many weirdboyz in one place is a catastrophic idea lol
verbal nest
Oh wait so, all Ork tech is actually just useless unless they're using it?
verbal nest
So that massive barge ship in the first level of space marine
Is that just running on brain fuel
final spruce
Yes
verbal nest
final spruce
There is even a lore bit when orks are in space
They jsut had a big fight with another ship and the mekboys are fixing the hull
And suddenly one ork says to his boss "Wait if the hull is half gone and we are all exposed to space, how are we still alive ? " And suddenly all the boyz realise they shouldn't be able to live that and they die
storm jungle
Ork physics are wacky af
final spruce
Such is the power of orks, they can defy physics
barren tapir
As long they don't think and only go with the feel they are stronger than everything eldar , humans and even demons can be... The moment they start to think how thing go all that power disperse... IIRC in the only war rulebook it is stated in a report of a guard that is teaching how to stop ork veichle is that you need to hit the driver since even if you hit the engine the truck will still keep going, and to don't follow the tubes, since they may end nowhere, eve if the smoke is going out of them... And techpriest have found out that ork shoota are most of the time impossibile to be used because there is no connection to the barrel from the magazine...
vast frigate
The thing about humans the the emperor is that at this point, Yes he is being kept alive by his human worshippers
due to the sheer ammount
his powers have grown titanically over the years but he cant really use them atm
yknow coz of all the half-dead stuff
verbal nest
Do Ork psyker powers exist in the tabletop
odd sparrow
though obvs there's nothing that represents the whole accidentally-willing-the-impossible thing. beyond like, just how their technology is by nature
unsure if there were ever actually rules for the paint thing
vast frigate
yeah power of the waaagh isnt there
vagrant osprey
Some Ork tech works when it's away from the Orks. Others works for awhile and then stops working. Some only works when Orks are around.
It's possible that Ork tech actually does work, but is too alien for the Imperium to understand.
Considering that Orks can directly tap the Warp for power, it's extremely unlikely that the Imperium would be able to understand how Ork tech worked in the first place.
Kinda like how a medieval blacksmith would look at a computerized CNC router and insist it was a nonsensical mass of parts that could never work, and when they brought it home and it failed to function without a power grid they would nod and congratulate themselves that they correctly determined it only worked because of belief.
thin horizon
I have a feeling they will forget
I WANT them to bring an Emperor's Children civil war out of it
but I have a feeling it was nothing but a cocktease
primal tide
they pretty much raiders-of-the-lost-ark'd him in trayzn's collection
so im guessing nothing
until its crystal skull time
celest dome
I want to see Rylanor reappear as a Living Angel/Legion of the Damned
primal tide
'the ancient re-awaits'
celest dome
Seeing Rylanor punching Fulgrim must be so awesome, it turned a Chaos Sorceror into a Loyalist
frigid mesa
i really want to see a loyalist fulgrim vs chaos fulgrim, mano a mano fight
loyalist almost defeated, close to been killed by snake boy
but then
the emperor talks to him, give him the push to keep fighting
he then kick snake boy ass and banished him to the warp once more
the sons of the phoenix see in loyalist fulgrim as his father
now they seek all of the 3rd legion scum to kick their asses in the name of the emperor
vagrant osprey
The least realistic part of that is the Emperor deciding to give one of his sons any kind of moral support.
primal tide
now they seek all of the 3rd legion scum to kick their asses in the name of the ...
i support this if only to help erode the most annoying part of the dark angels' identity
vagrant osprey
The closest he EVER came was saying Vulkan was the most human of his sons.
And he was kind of a dick about it.
primal tide
he gave horus a figurine of saggitarius lol
sorry, its a ring with saggitarius on it
crisp heath
@cunning lantern even khorne's best and favourite champion wasn't honourable, He was a scumbag that betrayed alot for the sake of killing literally everything
final spruce
Its in the name, Kharn the Betrayer
crisp heath
Yup
Khorne was never honourable
There isn't even respect to the one that is duelling
If you would go on and murder entire families and children you would be praised by khorne
There is no such thing as honour for khorne
It's just don't be a coward
Many people are mistaken about khorne
Some say he hates killing the weakc
cerulean wagon
he doesnt hate it, he just cares for it less
blood shed is bloodshed, it all feeds him
just only the strongest trophies are worth collecting after
storm jungle
@crisp heath That was the truth back in the day though
like WAY WAY back in the Slaves to Darkness, like i said above all of that has been retconned for grimderp
rotund siren
so it wouldn't necessarily be that he doesn't like killing the weak, but more that he prefers killing the strong?
cerulean wagon
yes
any blood letting empowers khorne
its why khorne followers who arent good with combat will go more for ritualistic stuff
rotund siren
ahhhh, I see
cerulean wagon
even during the Horus heresy series the khornate legions slaughtered everything they came across
Men, women, children. It didn't matter as long as blood was shed
crisp heath
No
He just doesn't want you to be a coward
He wants you to murder EVERYTHING
If you murder the weak and run away from others you are WEAK
cerulean wagon
the "strength" side of it is more in the taking of trophies iirc, which is something similair to predator if you will
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
It's more about willpower
cerulean wagon
prove yourself as a worthy opponent and i'll take your skull kinda deal
cerulean wagon
A lot of people say there is honor in it, there isnt
its just the duels consist of bloodshed
so if there happens to be a particularly good duelist who starts to fall
challenging people to direct 1 on 1 combat may be the way he handles his offerings to the blood god
crisp heath
Yup
Think of it like this
Would you want to eat a crappy fast food meal?
Or rather a gourmet food
cerulean wagon
(ngl id choose the fast food)
storm jungle
Yeah like i said the chaos gods having good aspects is ooooold Slaves of Darkness fluff
Its why i roll my eyes when people say "chaos is a force of nature" lol
cunning lantern
I don't care that it is old. I like it more.
crisp heath
It's doesn't really make sense too either
Sigmar is from the warp
Aka a chaos god if you call him that
But he's not like the others
storm jungle
It was pretty much GW trying to make the Chaos Gods have Law aspects since they pretty much copied it entirely from Michael Moorcock
where the Lords of Chaos actually are kept in check by the Gods of Law vice versa
crisp heath
Yeah but chaos law sounds complete opposed
storm jungle
while in Warhammer they get to run rampant
Nah its more complex than that
But to simply put it; if theres too much law its bad - if theres too much chaos thats also bad
hence why they are in an eternal struggle with mortal champions
But thats just the short version of it
in warhammer it really is just "haha evil"
cerulean wagon
^
storm jungle
Warhammer on the other hand just borrowed the chaos star, made 4 morally dubious gods and called it a day
cerulean wagon
mhm
its one of the few bits of warhammer im not a huge fan of
i try and treat them more like sins
storm jungle
Yeah GW is big on plagiarism, especially when half of their stuff is from Dune lol
but eh, what can you do. No idea is original most of the time
cerulean wagon
tbh i find a lot of the forward progress in lore is like this cause it sells better aswell
subtlety requires brain power most people arent willing to put towards things
even more so if you are expecting people to pick up on said subtleties
barren tapir
I was looking around, reading some militarum tempestus lore, and i found something interesting...
This could be a nice career for one of the char:
And i also found info that corrected me on my take of "the tau never faced CSM before the death guard attacked the startide nexus"... As stated here they had to fight the purge CSM in 998.m41
And to anyone who like to use Imp with tau there are these boys
atomic pelican
Yeee Tau/Imperial truces have happened before
I believe against a Hivefleet together they fought
kind dove
Yeah in Caiphas Cain novels. They joined forces to save an Mechanicus Forge World
barren tapir
I believe against a Hivefleet together they fought
Yep, it is decribed in the kel shan page i posted, hive fleet gorgon, but other than that tau and Imp have also allied aganist necrons IIRC, but the thing about the deltic dragons is that they are used when some actions is planned before, not when it is forced by a common foe
barren tapir
Ah. a man (moth maybe is more appropriate?) of culture i see... A good choice indeed
final spruce
The only ones that are friends with the Mechanicus
barren tapir
Having your base on the moon of a mighty forge world like mezoa has indeed its advantages
final spruce
On the tabletop, I love them
Being able to fire plasma without saving is just too good
vagrant osprey
That's their advantage?
Oh, the ability to reroll a 1. That is good.
That's a really nice warlord ability for plasma, yeah
final spruce
Oh no
They give -1 AP to plasma making a total of - AP which renders power armor useless and force custodes to use their invul, they have a warlord trait to rerool ones which means they can ubercharge as much as they want and staying near their warlord gives them a 5+ invul (best invul of IG) and a +1 to shoot, which gives them an accuracy of above 90%
verbal nest
Seeing as the imperium is so thinly spread out n shit, and I've been told that they constantly lose communication with whole solar systems forever or for a very long time. Is it possible that a civilisation on a planet basically got sent back to the stone ages, and basically lived life as we did on earth hundreds of years ago
And the god they worship has been lost and forgotten to it's true purpose and uhhh what if that's like a cool reference to irl religion n shit like that
final spruce
That's the Ogryn's thing man
vagrant osprey
That's extremely common, actually.
This is partially because of all the rampant tithe fraud.
Have you ever noticed the discrepancy between the population numbers for hive cities versus the described population density and size of hive cities?
final spruce
Even in 40k, tax frauds are a thing
vagrant osprey
I can mathmatically prove that the Imperium is rife with tax fraud.
final spruce
You don't need to
vagrant osprey
And it makes sense it is, since planets that just stop paying their tithe tend to be caught... after literally hundreds of years, at best.
verbal nest
Question, is there even a currency in the Imperium
If an Inquisitor wanted to requestion a big thing from another branch of the imperium
Do they just pay them in fame
Exposure
storm jungle
Of course theres currency
final spruce
Well there are Golden thrones, that are a currency used on terra that serve as a basis for the economy, but alot of planets have their own currencies
storm jungle
its like one of the necessities of any civilization lol
final spruce
But the big exchanges, mainly tithes are not made with money, but more raw materials
verbal nest
its like one of the necessities of any civilization lol
Yeah but like, you can see my confusion when it comes to the imperium
final spruce
Like weapons, armors, minerals, serfs and soldiers
storm jungle
Thats kinda the thing
its so vast that every society of humans have their own culture like zher said
verbal nest
Ok yeah resource trading makes more sense
Is there any branch of the imperium that don't need to pay for anything just coz they're cool
Primarchs? Custodes (I've been told they're useless)
final spruce
The Inquisition
verbal nest
Inquistors being greedy fucks all the time smh
final spruce
Primarchs ? Only one loyalist is confirmed and he is the one managing taxes
And Custodes are a special force, they do'nt pay any taxes
verbal nest
They're certainly special lol
final spruce
Now I have a mental image of Custodes having an argument with a tax collector because he can't hide all of the gold he is wearing
The Custodes's main role is to guard the Throne of the Emepror and TErra from the enemy
As such they don't move much outside of Terra
Gulliman managed to wake them up and send them on small missions
verbal nest
Is it true that if you touch any part space marines equipment, you get blammed
final spruce
Possibily, if you mean relics, 100% but else, well, you need to people to maintain those
final spruce
Blood ravens
storm jungle
would you go up to a U.S Marine and randomly touch their backpack
verbal nest
Apparently it's a big no no if you touch a space marine bolter as a guardsman
But idk I get told a lot of random shit
final spruce
I would be surprised if the space marine even let you be this close of him
That would mean not experiencing transhuman dread
verbal nest
Transhuman wat
final spruce
Aka balls of titanium
verbal nest
Guardsmen are scared of space marines?
storm jungle
Every human is
they're basically monsters in combat from most material that shows them off
final spruce
Transhuman dread. Aximand had heard iterators talk of the condition. He’d heard descriptions of it from regular Army officers too. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing: taller and broader than a man could ever be, armoured like a demigod. The singularity of purpose was self-evident. An Adeptus Astartes was designed to fight and kill anything that didn’t annihilate it first. If you saw an Adeptus Astartes, you knew you were in trouble. The appearance alone cowed you with fear.
But to see one move. Apparently that was the real thing. Nothing human-shaped should be so fast, so lithe, so powerful, especially not anything in excess of two metres tall and carrying more armour than four normal men could lift. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing, but the moving fact of one was quite another. The psychologists called it transhuman dread. It froze a man, stuck him to the ground, caused his mind to lock up, made him lose control of bladder and bowel. Something huge and warlike gave pause: something huge and warlike and moving with the speed of a striking snake, that was when you knew that gods moved amongst men, and that there existed a scale of strength and speed beyond anything mortal, and that you were about to die and, if you were really lucking, there might be just enough time to piss yourself first.
- Age of Darkness
verbal nest
What about guardsmen that are always working alongside space marines (like that red aquila guards that train alongside them)
final spruce
They get used to it
But I think touching a space marine is a tabboo, unless he considers you highly
I'm being speculative here however
verbal nest
What if the space marine gets stuck on some wire and needs help
Wheeze
storm jungle
They just help him up
verbal nest
Guardsman I am pinned here
final spruce
Then thats some fucking good wire
final spruce
If a space marine can't break a wire, what are the chances a guarsdman can
verbal nest
If a space marine dies in battle surrounded by guardsman
What happens
final spruce
Big morale loss
verbal nest
Maybe big morale gain?
final spruce
And you better have disciplined troops or a commissar near
final spruce
Why would they gain morale from seeing a space marine die ?
verbal nest
Coz idk they got angry or some shut
final spruce
Space marines are supposed to be the finest of the Imperium
If you're an ally of the space marine and you see it die, you realise what you're facing WILL kill you, especially if it can kill a space marine
storm jungle
Unless you got a smart commissar that can give a fall back order after that point too lol
final spruce
You end up with grimderp
verbal nest
everyone gangsta until the guardsman shout DWARRRRRRDAWWWWRRRRIIII
storm jungle
god damn squats i miss em
verbal nest
Ok here's a dumb idea
final spruce
I have good news then
verbal nest
Space marine dwarf
final spruce
Squads exist in Necromunda
final spruce
There is an account of a short space marine that is so god damn thicc his techmarine asks him to stop working out because he is tired of reajusting his power armor
An Imperial Fist I believe
verbal nest
Did the techmarine get blammed
final spruce
It's a techmarine
A space marine that is also a high person in the Monissiah's priesthood
verbal nest
Idk how powerful any of the toaster boys are
final spruce
They are pretty powerful, but tis their logistical help for the Imperium that makes them have so much "influence"
storm jungle
Yeah and it depends on the techpriest too
some have ridiculous amount of weapons mounted on them
others are just
"guy with mask and red robes"
final spruce
Wdym, this one is tame
final spruce
He doesn't even have the mechandendrites
storm jungle
final spruce
HERESY
verbal nest
Doctor octopus
final spruce
Nice
verbal nest
Ok so do the really hardcore toaster boys still worship the golden vegetable
final spruce
They pray to their own god the Omnissiah
verbal nest
What do they think about emperor tho
final spruce
And they consider the Omnissiah to be a part of the Emperor
verbal nest
Oh that's heresy
final spruce
So indirectly they do
verbal nest
Wait I'm confused
final spruce
That's ehresy indeed, but they are vital for the Imperium so we elt them
verbal nest
They think the omnissiah is just cyber-emperor or something
final spruce
No no, they think the Omnissiah, the Machine God, is just one aspect of the Emperor
storm jungle
^
verbal nest
Oh ok
storm jungle
And as you say grim
its slightly heresy
but they arent really gonna call them out on it
lol
whos gonna fix their shit
final spruce
And ofc there is a high chance what they are praying is actually a C'tan shard of the Void ragon but SHHHHHHHHHHH
Its our little secret
Which, if its true would be amazing
Just because the Mechanicus and the Necrons are opposites and I find it a great dynamic
storm jungle
I think its one of those things where when its revealed everyone in the fandom is gonna be
"Oh wow! Anyway."
as if its a big reveal nobody knew about lol
final spruce
It just makes so much sense
vagrant osprey
Is it true that if you touch any part space marines equipment, you get blammed
Ok, so, every chapter does things differently. Some chapters would blam you for looking at them, many (Probably most) would blam you for touching them. Otherwise it depends on context, but...
Space Wolves... They tend to vary. They're basically space vikings, they may take it as an invitation to a friendly brawl, or wanting a roll in the sack.
Salamanders are known to be huggers. They're also known to lend their weapons to a guardsman when it made tactical sense to do so. Beyond that, when not under threat they may or may not remove the ammo from their weapon and let you hold it, or show you how it works.
vagrant osprey
Yes.
verbal nest
What kind of weapon could they lend to a Guardsman
Salamanders sound pretty cool tho
vagrant osprey
Plasma, laser, various kinds of launcher...
vagrant osprey
As far as the AdMech... Yeah, they're worshipping the Void Dragon. UR-025 even called them out on it - he said he met the machine god, and knows the Emperor is not him.
Yeah, Salamanders are pretty cool. They're one of the handful of Astartes that values humanity over the Imperium
The Lamenters are almost as kind, but they're a tragedy.
primal tide
I love that the missile launcher's barrel is only a bit bigger than the heavy bolter's
vagrant osprey
The Blood Angels are reasonably nice, but will sometimes go into a bloodthirsty rage and start slaughtering people.
It's not their fault, but it IS a problem when they're... Basically doing literally anything.
Anyway, the Salamanders valuing humanity over the Imperium is why they're always at risk of being eliminated by the Imperium for being 'renegade'.
verbal nest
Who was the primarch of the salamanders, and why is he dead/chaos
vagrant osprey
Nope.
So, the Primarch of the Salamanders is Vulkan.
Nobody is sure where he is.
He was last seen repeatedly dying and reviving in combat as part of a one-man-defense of a planet against a WAAAAGH.
He's a perpetual.
So he kinda doesn't stay dead.
vagrant osprey
TBH, I'm pretty damn sure he never actually left.
primal tide
He's playing smash bros with the lion in his basement
verbal nest
Can anyone be a perpetual?
vagrant osprey
There's nothing more Vulkan than going to planets the Imperium has forsaken and fighting against the inevitable just so that somebody defended them when the end came.
cerulean wagon
that or bombing the civilian populace from orbit
vagrant osprey
He left 9 artifacts somewhere in the galaxy, and said it was a test and he would return when the Salamanders had proven that they were worthy of his leadership.
cerulean wagon
he liked doing that aswell
vagrant osprey
He was complicated.
The entire point of the Salamander's 3rd company is exterminating innocent people who have been contaminated, and they explicitly do it because they admit its necessary but those people deserve somebody to remember and mourn them.
verbal nest
They sound less cool
vagrant osprey
Yeah.
But all Chapters are required to have "kill everybody" company.
And the Salamanders are one of the only ones that screens theirs for psychological problems, and removes them if they start to become indifferent to human lives or suffering.
storm jungle
Can anyone be a perpetual?
Pretty much any human yeah.
But its bullshit RNG basically as far as we know lol
Its quite interesting and can be explained really briefly in lexi
crisp heath
barren tapir
SM bolter round casing is actually used by guardsman as a good omen trinket, it is used as reminder of what awaits the enemies of mankind, so it boost morale...
Vulkan was last seen battling one of the Beast during the waro of the Beast on Ulanor, now called Armaggeddon, he with that Beast dropped into a generator and were consumed by waaaaagghhh energies
The shock that a human may have seeing a SM vay on how much idolized are SM in that culture, since most cultures hold SM as the will manifest of the emperor most of humans drop on their knee in awe when they see one, but taking as example Cadians, they work with them so often, and face the chaotic version maybe even more often that they are quite chill when one they see one of them... And it is also quite rare in the imperium to see a SM, since they go where normal people don't really want to be in general
verbal nest
Read a pretty good line in Horus Rising
"We are mighty because we are right, Garviel. We are not right because we are mighty. Vile the hour when that reversal becomes our credo"
thin horizon
Reminds me of the emperor
talking to the preacher of the last church
and the preacher goes "what makes you so different from the terrible people you are ranting about"
and the emperor just goes "I know im right."
like DAMN
verbal nest
Sinderman was saying this to Loken after he wonders if the civilisation he helped wipe out was actually the good thing
storm jungle
@thin horizon god i love the last church
its a shame their argument is so childish thanks to the writer at times
thin horizon
i mean honestly, i thought it was pretty good. Like the emperor comes off as snobbish and holier than thou, but if you read enough lore, you know he has every right to be
but its nice to get the prospective of the preacher
storm jungle
Oh yeah im not saying its bad
its just that his take on atheism is a bit bad since you can tell the writer couldnt get it across
thin horizon
i think my favorite short story is "the board is set"
yea, fair
it really is
like when he talks about religious genocides
verbal nest
When does Loken die?
storm jungle
Yeaaah you get what i mean
thin horizon
like mate, how many people died for not religious, but just political reasons?
it far outstrips religion
same for ethnic reasons
theres a lot more to worry about if thats your angle
storm jungle
Pretty much, i get that the emperor is suppose to look dictatorial with his view but as you say it comes across really childish
Its a bit like Senator Armstrong
thin horizon
yea, i think the author wasa just going for the total self assuredness youd expect
storm jungle
his speech makes a lot of sense at first
storm jungle
then you realise hes talking about genocide
verbal nest
Emperor is really just a man child
He doesn't like women and walks around letting everyone know he owns the joint.
thin horizon
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
storm jungle
I WONT BECAUSE I LIKE ARMSTRONG TOO
storm jungle
Emperor is really just a man child
He doesn't like women and walks around lettin...
also Sisters of Silence disagrees
thin horizon
unironically armstrong is the ultimate libertarian canidate
storm jungle
Yeah like as i was saying armstrong at first really gets you with his speech
and you think maybe hes right
then he just drops all pretense and you go "oh fuck"
thin horizon
i mean, at least armstrong was totally honest
yea he drops the pretense
and you go oh fuck
HES TOTALLY RIGHT
storm jungle
Yeeee, meanwhile Big E
"lol no religion bad"
armstrong should have been the emperor damn it
thin horizon
i need to commission that
storm jungle
the horus heresy would be over in a heartbeat,
sanguinius gets wounded
Armstrong Big E:
"FUCK THIS WAR, I JUST WANT YOU DEAD."
thin horizon
Emperor Armstrong batista bombing horus on top of an imperial titan
storm jungle
kdfjsdfkljs
final spruce
When the Emperor gets hit by Horus
horus : Why won't you die !
Armstrong : NANOMACHINES SON
thin horizon
"Atheism, son!"
storm jungle
SDFKLJKLJDFS
final spruce
THEY HARDEN IN RESPONSE TO PHYSICAL TRAUMA
thin horizon
man Revengence was a goddamn amazing game
storm jungle
100%
verbal nest
Horus, dealing the killing blow on golden boi
storm jungle
accurate footage
atomic pelican
Your memes end here, Jack
storm jungle
These comments lmao
thin horizon
The Emperor ending Horus's memes by ripping his existence from time and space
storm jungle
Its amazing how great Armstrong matches with the Emperor, "WE'RE MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMLETTES HERE MALCADOR, CANT FRET OVER EVERY EGG!"
storm jungle
god thats good lol
verbal nest
Also I was watching a video about space marine training and apparently primaris are like, better than normal space marines?
thin horizon
yes
verbal nest
Do they currently exist in 41k? I heard they were replacing the thunder warriors
storm jungle
Oh god no dude
storm jungle
thunder warriors are 30K stuff
verbal nest
Oh ok
storm jungle
^
storm jungle
Yeah the thunder boys are the first marines
thin horizon
they..... died in an UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENT
verbal nest
I think the whole thunder warriors story is pretty cool
thin horizon
all of them
verbal nest
How exactly did Emperor make the primarchs?
thin horizon
He went into the basement with a woman and a few guys and put shit into tubes
storm jungle
^
thin horizon
then, if i read it right, the woman said "MY BABIES" and helped cast them into the warp
im not sure why
verbal nest
Wut
thin horizon
but i guess thats future divorce court
verbal nest
War
storm jungle
but also @verbal nest
The Primarchs were created in a secret underground laboratory on Terra[14a] under the tightest security. According to Ingethel the Ascended, the Primarchs were created by the Emperor with the aid of forbidden sciences and arcane lore derived from the Warp.[14a] Eldrad Ulthran also states that the Emperor utilized dark powers to construct the Primarchs.[19] It is speculated the Primarchs were imbued with energies and knowledge that the Emperor gained in a Warp Portal on Molech.[20] The genetic material of the powerful Perpetual Erda were used in the creation of the Primarch's and she viewed them as her "sons".[38a] Perturabo would later estimate his own birth to be 792.M30, perhaps giving a date for the Primarch's creation.[26]
thin horizon
yea
verbal nest
Ulthran?
GW really reusing names all the time
thin horizon
thats part of the reason Horus turned, he realized the Emperor knew the warp, and they were told NOT to go to Moloch
and he said "NUH UH"
verbal nest
Ulthnyan
thin horizon
i dont thinks its set in stone, but yea, the emperor gained the knowledge of science to make the primarchs then reneged on the deal with the warp gods by siccing the primarchs on the galaxy against Chaos
and so chaos said "yea sure" and took half
at least thats what i understand of it
storm jungle
Yeah its implied more than detailed
storm jungle
especially since its all up to change thanks to the ongoing books
also yeah smoke thats actually a theory
verbal nest
Apart from Custodes and big blue chad, who is alive from before the heresy?
storm jungle
aka he planned all along apparently that half of the primarchs were screwed
thin horizon
The Emperor lost half his kids to the Gods of Chaos in a messy 5 way divorce
storm jungle
@verbal nest Everyone
thin horizon
wrong
verbal nest
Eh wut
thin horizon
Horus is gone
celest dome
Thunder warrior were way before 30k
storm jungle
the primarchs start getting messed up when the heresy starts
thin horizon
he never existed more or less
thin horizon
Sanguinius did too
verbal nest
Ok but, I mean who's still around and never actually left during the transition of 30k to 40k
storm jungle
OH YEHA SANGY
thin horizon
everyone left at some point
storm jungle
also no one
odd sparrow
if the primarch wasn't like, super explicitly killed then yeah they're still alive
storm jungle
yeah
thin horizon
some to the wawrp in the scouring
storm jungle
The loyalist primes just disappeared, the traitors turned to chaos princes and went off to the Eye
odd sparrow
Was it ever like, fully confirmed that Alpharius died?
storm jungle
Also yeah it was, Dorn did the deed himself
thin horizon
Corvus is in the warp terrorizing things for his redemption after the alpha legion fucked his atempted at genewrighing
odd sparrow
cus alpha legion stuff is all kinda of confusing
thin horizon
yea the writer of that book confirmed it
celest dome
Well Omegon could "feel"it
odd sparrow
nice
thin horizon
and omegon could FEEL IT
verbal nest
Y'all ever just go for a killing spree in literal hell
storm jungle
Corvus is CRAWLING IN MY SKINNN but in character form
odd sparrow
So it's Alpharius by angry dorn, Horus by mind laser, Ferrus by a twink's sword and uhhh
oh yeah sangy by angry bald man
verbal nest
Isn't sangy a bald man himself
thin horizon
no!
thin horizon
Sanguinius is super pure!
hes also a pretty nice dude overall
he treated everyone pretty damn well
storm jungle
Sangy?
odd sparrow
If ur at all familiar with norse mythology then Sangy is just copy pasted Baldr
storm jungle
BALD?
thin horizon
i dont think he even had any serious enemies
storm jungle
WHO DARES
odd sparrow
he's the lovely pretty boy that absolutely everyone loves
thin horizon
he was even good terms with horus
odd sparrow
and he's p much perfect
verbal nest
Yeah apparently the salamanders are pretty cool for the most part apparently they're kinda dickhead for fun sometimes idk man that's kinda shit
digital stone
Kurze
odd sparrow
Then he dies and everything goes to shit
storm jungle
otherwise they're bros
digital stone
Kurze hated everyone
verbal nest
Who doesn't hate elf wenches tho
thin horizon
Kurze was criminally insane
thin horizon
thats not his fault
storm jungle
Also i dont hate elf wenches
verbal nest
I COME FOR YOU, ELF WENCH
thin horizon
i feel bad for Kurze
storm jungle
stupid stuntie
odd sparrow
Yea Corvus is like, lowkey goth edgy. Curze is actually just demented
there's a difference
thin horizon
Corvus wasnt goth, though. He was like super in to having brothers. He spent hours just gushing to the emperor about his life and asking about his brothers
hes the type of bro id want
odd sparrow
u mean to imply goths cant be bros smh
storm jungle
yeah jokes aside Corvus is edgy but cool
digital stone
Yeah corax is super team player
storm jungle
Kurze is just
odd sparrow
Yeah Corvus is the chill edgyboi
odd sparrow
it is also a hammer
thin horizon
Dude his death is super sad
digital stone
The Alpha Legion are fake news
thin horizon
like Kurze WANTED to be condemned because he felt guilty
that doesnt say evil
to me
thin horizon
he was looking for damnation actively
primal tide
Lmao yeah
odd sparrow
Curze is like, highkey a victim of circumstance basically
storm jungle
what a twat
thin horizon
again, criminally insane
primal tide
That story is chilling
thin horizon
split personalities
odd sparrow
he's not fully just random evil and malicious, there are reasons for it
odd sparrow
like uhh was it him or Corvus that was born on the world with like. the main form of population control was suicide
i think it was Curze
primal tide
He excuses his need to be a sicko by saying it's justice
odd sparrow
plus with being put in control of quite possibly the most awful group of human beings in the Imperium
thin horizon
Originally yes. He was a super arbites
i mean his job was terrorism
like thats gotta nag at your soul a bit
odd sparrow
he wasn't responsible for the night lords being actually the worst iirc, he was just kinda ur these guys dads also these guys are the scum of the earth
ur job is also to be the scum of the earth
thin horizon
"You were born to commit terrorism on a galactic scale"
odd sparrow
"Have fun"
thin horizon
"also you have a split personality and the warp just sends you nudes whenever, causing massive headaches and mental trauma"
"enjoy"
odd sparrow
tl;dr another example of big E being an awful father
verbal nest
It doesn't make sense that the emperor wouldn't make his primarchs uncorruptable, I mean, aren't grey knights near uncorruptable just by being who they are
thin horizon
Not even that, he put results above his sons humanity
storm jungle
They're uncorruptable by being mary sues basically
primal tide
Grey knights aren't warp things in flesh coats tho
storm jungle
DFSJDFKLJS
thin horizon
grey knights were made with the shards of Magnus
primal tide
Straight up
storm jungle
thats also a good statement
thin horizon
specifically the good parts
verbal nest
Shards of what now
thin horizon
grey knights got all the good parts of Magnus's soul, his heroism, optimism, duty
Magnus got the rest
verbal nest
His pp?
thin horizon
which is why he is now a saturday morning cartoon villian
storm jungle
shame too
thin horizon
yea, Magnus got the biggest, most undeserved dick down of any primarch i think
verbal nest
Is the term "Magnus did nothing wrong" good here
storm jungle
Everyone did everything wrong tbh
thin horizon
he tripped and broke a support beam that caused his fathers hobby shop to collapse, so daddy told his older brother to break his neck
verbal nest
What if Sejanus had never died
storm jungle
Whos Sejanus
verbal nest
primal tide
Hastur Sejanus
odd sparrow
Who
thin horizon
Luna wolves
storm jungle
Im guessing a side character
thin horizon
a captain, i think
primal tide
He was the mournival member that loken replaced
verbal nest
Sejanus, Horus Rising, guy gets killed when he goes down to talk to some civilisation about merging with the emperor
thin horizon
yea
storm jungle
No wonder i dont remember him
verbal nest
And basically it seems to kick-start Lokens big brain
storm jungle
thin horizon
i dunno if his death really mattered that much
verbal nest
I mean
thin horizon
TBH
crisp heath
Anyone that talks up just gets squashed and forgotten
thin horizon
Horus did
crisp heath
get real
thin horizon
Horus liked him, a lot
verbal nest
Didn't it basically make Loken change his mind about things
thin horizon
he was supposedly a pretty balanced dude
verbal nest
Nobody in 40k is balanced
verbal nest
nothing in a Fatshark game is balanced
storm jungle
get a PC already
thin horizon
Man Ive had an itch to go through and revamp some of the 40k fan wikis recently
some are awful or just out of date
verbal nest
get a PC already
No
storm jungle
Yes.
odd sparrow
Only need Lexicanum tbh
thin horizon
even lex has some poor pages tho
storm jungle
Honestly though
thin horizon
like the one for woe machines
storm jungle
ill take it over the nightmare trash that is 40k wiki
thin horizon
(ive been reading the GG series)
verbal nest
Me, when Dilara shits on me for playing on console
odd sparrow
ye duh, it's a massive wiki
if you wanna fix them then i imagine they have public-ish editing vibes
crisp heath
Me, when Dilara shits on me for playing on console
storm jungle
then you got free reign
verbal nest
NORTHLANDER KNIGHT, ON YOUR TOES, MATES
thin horizon
"Right here on page 420, the Emperor says "Remember Horus, dying is gay"", therefore he is still alive in the current setting
odd sparrow
what about big e convinces you he's straight
thin horizon
Not much mate
odd sparrow
nods
storm jungle
oh yeah he'd go for all kinds
thin horizon
he didnt even have his children, they were surrogate
storm jungle
Sensei rip
thin horizon
but then again, he could just into the warp and take any slaneshi daemon he wanted
boy didnt have to be picky
odd sparrow
Hm tbh i wanna go through all the sexualities of the primarchs now
like. dorn is 100% ace
thin horizon
I mean
odd sparrow
no question in my mind
storm jungle
Dorn doesnt even know what sex is
atomic pelican
Fortifictionsexual
thin horizon
fulgrim is confirmed bi
odd sparrow
sangy is also bi/pan but he's super reserved about it
thin horizon
I imagine dorn just had his cock stuck in a brick
storm jungle
"What is this intern course you speak of."
odd sparrow
oh shit dorn is into painplay
thin horizon
"it says yes"
atomic pelican
nooo
thin horizon
also what the hell is ace