Theres always a reason sadly
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
crisp heath
people hate the ultramarines for everything 2 :^)
crisp heath
I think that's the true reason
crisp heath
they're both blue
wide jewel
Same people who dislike the tau are the people who miss the point that the imperium isn't meant to be good
crisp heath
the problem is that you have people invested in the imperium now and lore that shows the imperium as potentially reasonable and good
storm jungle
yeah the marketing for that is shit
especially that new artwork that makes abaddon and robot-g look like autobots vs decepticons lol
atomic pelican
GW very bad abt romancifying the imperium while saying its satire
crisp heath
I mean aside from that, why would people want to play the imperium anymore if the tau are just straight up better than them all the time
in every way
atomic pelican
Creates/attracts Those Fans
storm jungle
Thats the thing
atomic pelican
The Imperium are cool in their own ways aesthetically and in lore
crisp heath
the setting has moved beyond being a mere satire
storm jungle
you really cant satire the imperium anymore
people are incredibly touchy about it on both sides
Best you can do is just trickle in grimdank here and there
crisp heath
orks are the only regularly humorous types at this point, and they still apparently slaughter hospitals full of wounded civilians while laughing
storm jungle
"we purged an entire planet because some chaos marines passed it idk"
oh yeah that too
final spruce
hello
storm jungle
its the moth!
atomic pelican
Idk why they feel the need to include the edge in the Orkz memes. I mean it makes sense but it feels forced
Hello
Hewo
owo
storm jungle
they're still funny af
final spruce
no uwu here only lore
crisp heath
the imperium also has alot of autonomy in certain parts and the loose grip of it's authoritarianism + it's an assortment of both incompetent and competent people running it, means some places are more nobledark than others
atomic pelican
Orkz could use children as footballs and itd still be better than most grimderp
final spruce
Because orkz are funny fungus with cockney accents
atomic pelican
Precisely
odd sparrow
uwu~
atomic pelican
Haha funny green man go WAAAGH
final spruce
The only thing they could do to make it more stereotypical is an Orkz boss that has found the way to brew mushroom tea and is on a quest to taste every tea in the world while making his brand well known
storm jungle
Orkz could use children as footballs and itd still be better than most grimderp
Lmao holy shit
i was afraid of giving an example like that but its true
atomic pelican
Unironically the orkz are STILL more ethical than half the factions
Just because they don't do it out of some twisted sadism
Just to have a scrap/fun
Pack it up boys, Ork kultur is the most well attuned culture in 40k
Dhdbdb
crisp heath
killing civilians 4 fun sounds sadistic if u ask me
atomic pelican
Rhsbrhs
storm jungle
Im joking, of course its horrible but its the same as laughing at a dude falling down the stairs
the human mind loves someone elses unfortunate comedic misery
lol
atomic pelican
The orkz do it because hitting stuff is fun. Not because it hurts them. The Drukhari do it because it hurts them
Thsbdhd
At least In my head thats how I see the difference
storm jungle
Dark eldar are basically evil anyway so lmao
wide jewel
GW tried to get around the whole idolizing the fascists, by just making ultramar an imperium that isn't shit
wide jewel
then idolizing the boys in blue
atomic pelican
Ultrasmurfs
odd sparrow
tbh whether the Imperium really is fascist is kinda a big debate in itself
an actually not one i should bring up nvm i said nothing
But yeah ultraboys always get the spotlight lol
wide jewel
it's pretty obvious that was the original intent, but they've tried to swerve away from that
atomic pelican
Uh oh stinky
storm jungle
I love how they try to stupidly make Ultramar shit in the comics now lol
"you die in your 30's"
piss off
wide jewel
it's so dumb
storm jungle
I love how everyone agreed with that statement in the community too, its stupid
atomic pelican
Oh god yeah
storm jungle
the art color eurgh
wide jewel
tbf that life expectancy was grimderp for the whole imperium not just ultramar
30s was meant to be "high"
cerulean wagon
actualy
cerulean wagon
people live stupid long in 40k
storm jungle
Theres shit places to live and people could die really young there sure, but as the redditor puts it if thats done a lot it makes the setting incredibly meh
cerulean wagon
^
atomic pelican
I always figured Imperium citizens who werent in the Underhive lived modernesque life spans
storm jungle
Yeah its why i got that reddit comment saved
cerulean wagon
yeah most people live a normal life span
storm jungle
not everything in 40k is just misery-porn
cerulean wagon
unless u have money
atomic pelican
Big Money
cerulean wagon
if u have money you can live for several hundred years
although i still hate the idea of belarius cawl being literaly over 10k years old
storm jungle
Well to be fair
he does swap bodies doesnt he?
and just adds the metal shit he gathered after
storm jungle
noOO
crisp heath
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the avg life span was mid-30s if that's meant to cover the whole imperium, with so many people living in dangerous underhives, or feral worlds, or death worlds, or working in probably toxic factories, ultramar sounds close to being a paradise world though
alot of feudal worlds too
wide jewel
I looked it up and medieval and roman life expectancy is pretty similar to that 30 number
just because of infant mortality
atomic pelican
Yeee historical life expectancy is funny
Because like, you could easily have people living up to 80 in Roman/Greek times
It's just that
infant mortality so high
wide jewel
yeah, I think the problem isn't the number it's what people take it to mean
it doesn't mean living to the age of 30 is old
atomic pelican
Yeeeah
Reminds me of the "There will be as many elves as the plot demands" plot hole from WHF suhndfhdusn
wide jewel
yeah, if you go too hard on grimdark it isn't nearly as impacting
atomic pelican
40k also fails to account for like, the absolute insane amount of rebellions and stuff that would cause
I mean, even moreso than what already plagues the Imperium
Fiction often fails to account for the fact that, most people when their lives are shitty, will just kill their leaders. They have to be placated to some degree
crisp heath
I dunno if that's necessarily true, pretty contextual
atomic pelican
Noble lords in medieval times hosted fairs and such weekly to do just that
They knew how to keep people placated
(Or monthly maybe, I forgot)
atomic pelican
Oh yeah, I just mean in most grimderp portrayals of imperial life
final spruce
Tbh, I compare the Imperium to Brazil
atomic pelican
Come To Brazil
crisp heath
very fitting considering the theocratic theme they got goin, sanguinala is stated to be a thing
final spruce
You have the slums, the middle people and the really filthy rich
atomic pelican
Yeee
I imagine the middle life to be okay, I mean It would have to be realistically
final spruce
Dunno, when I look at people living in slums they live in miserable conditions compared to first wolrd countries
They fight to eat and sleep
atomic pelican
That's true, but even most "3rd world countries" have some kind of upper classes/middle class that aren't being seen
The general rule of thumb is that
In order to maintain power, a government must be able to either provide for its people, or silence dissent
Or some mixture of the two
final spruce
Or be in the case of Brazil where organized crime is holding both the people and gov by the balls
final spruce
Aka Necromunda
atomic pelican
In that case, the organized crim serves as a surrogate sort of government
In which it likely provides for the people to some degree!
wide jewel
yeah it seems strange that the imperium can keep a grasp on it's empire when most worlds are so disconnected from the core imperium and the response times of fleets are so slow
crisp heath
they lose bits and pieces of it all the time without noticing
atomic pelican
I did a case study awhile ago in my classes about how innercity gangs often provide for their members/territory. It's... interesting
In that way they become a pseudogovernment
Necromunda actually makes a lot of sense in that way fudshnfhusn
final spruce
Gang money makes the hive turn
They give jobs to people that then sue the money to feed their families
storm jungle
Its about FAMILY
vagrant osprey
Even in DoW, the "Tau sterilizing humans thing" was in the context of a proposal to administer birth control until they could conduct a census and stabilize the area, not them going snip-happy with blades.
storm jungle
DoW though shouldnt ever be used as a comparison
its comedic and plays up the bad aspects of 40k to the max
vagrant osprey
Oh, definitely not.
storm jungle
I know because it was my intro into 40k and i was really confused lol
atomic pelican
Yee DoW endings aren't canon(Though Shas'o'Kais is playable on the TT!)
I think he also has a minor part in the 3rd sphere if I remember right, but I could be wrong abou tthat
He's like a footnote so sudhnfduhfn
vagrant osprey
But even there the Tau were responding to food shortages and loss of infrastructure, which honestly means that in the batshit crazy land of DoW the grimderp ending had the Tau considering reasonable but unpleasant plan.
storm jungle
Yep!
The tau even there are portrayed as mostly "good" before you get the faction defeat page lol
"YEAH DUDE THEY EXECUTED EVERYONE"
storm jungle
ARE YOU WeAK
also man i know
"I AINT GONNA LET YOU DIE MAGIC MAN"
"YEAH BRO IM GONNA PLANT THIS BOMB AT SITE B REAL QUICK"
atomic pelican
There's a fan theory that the Shas'la from Fire Warrior is related to O'Kais which would explain how big his balls are
storm jungle
fllkddfls
storm jungle
Makes sense
that mad lad killed chaos marines like it was going out of business
good thing he had health packs!
atomic pelican
I like to imagine he's still a shas'la afte rall that
like Longstrike
Man goes through everything yet is still 'recruit' rank
storm jungle
dfskdfskdfsljk
hes a dragonborn basically
controls and is the leader of nearly all the factions in skyrim
Guard: Who are you again
atomic pelican
IT'S QUIET
vagrant osprey
Shas'la has the biggest balls in the Tau empire, since he was perfectly willing to go into battle with critically damaged weapons.
Tau weapons are supposed to be weak but accurate. His weapons were weak and inaccurate.
final spruce
Aren't tau indoctrinated for that sort of thing ?
To the point of killing themselves when asked ?
atomic pelican
So invigored by the greater good he took on chaos warriors
vagrant osprey
People may say it's because Fire Warrior was an awful game, but we all know it's because he took the broken weapons because he figured he needed working weapons the least.
atomic pelican
They'd throw down their lives for Ethereals but I don't think there are any examples of them just saying "lol kill yourself" to any of the other castes Zher
storm jungle
Yeah its just what they'd themselves do due to propaganda
atomic pelican
Tho the idea of Aun'Va telling Farsight to kill himself is pretty funny ngl
storm jungle
but they arent dumb enough to be like an imperial japanese soldier and throw themselves under a tank with nades
vagrant osprey
Yeah, the way things have been presented the fire caste isn't any more indoctrinated than a US marine.
atomic pelican
Yee
Esp since they are known to defect now
Well not known to but
It Happens
Pretty sure the Ethereal hold trials and such for when things like that happen
Farsight almost got put on trial for repairing his suit iirc sdufhndhfn
vagrant osprey
Err... Yeah, that's because he wasn't qualified for that repair.
atomic pelican
Oh yeah, I know.
vagrant osprey
In modern day militaries you can be put on trial for attempting to repair something you're not qualified to repair.
atomic pelican
I've always imagined that the Castes are super protective of the things they do, and thus get pissy when other castes try to do it themself. Prompting the Ethereals to do something
There's no actual lore abt that It's just what I think abt it
storm jungle
Yeah thats a really human reaction
vagrant osprey
Well, we know that Tau colonies issue weaponry to people so that everybody can help if there's an attack.
So the Fire caste is ok with Water caste and Earth caste shooting at enemies.
atomic pelican
Yeee, I imagine that being the case in emergencies
atomic pelican
Otherwise I've always imagined the Castes to be a lot like MegaUnions, wherein they protect their trade so they keep their importance. Ex) If any Caste gets pissy about their status, they can just shut down the entire empire because they are the only ones who are specialized to do their task
So the Ethereals have to keep everyone happy
vagrant osprey
TBH, it mostly seems like an expert seeing somebody completely unqualified attempting to do things.
atomic pelican
Like, any of the 4 castes could basically cripple the Tau empire if they weren't happy about their case
Yeee that too
It's why Farsight was such a big deal
He had a lot of supporters in the Fire Caste
He still does, even in loyalist Tau places
crisp heath
I swear I saw it explained that way somewhere, that the castes get unhappy about others taking their duty, lemme see if I can find it
atomic pelican
Very dangerous to the integrity
If I recall, Farsight actually tried to go into hiding so he didn't cause another Mont'au
Because he didn't want the Tau empire to completely shit itself
final spruce
So
Book Excerpt Farsight : Crsis of Faith
‘That is correct, you will not,’ said the ethereal, motioning to his shas’tral bodyguards to send away the attendant drones. They did so, the hovering discs gliding soundlessly from the room before the far door irised shut. ‘You are ta’lissera bonded to your team?’
‘I have that honour, master,’ replied Wellclaim. ‘Six kai’rotaa now. We are very happy.’ ‘Take out your bonding knife.’
‘Of... of course,’ said Wellclaim, reaching around to the ceremonial dagger she kept in a sheath at the base of her spine. She unclasped the lynx-skin sheath and unfurled the satin cummerbund that bound it around her waist, holding it forth for inspection. It was a truly beautiful example of its kind. She was always proud to show it off, and doubly so to an ethereal.
‘Now. Take the bonding knife out of its sheath.’
Wordlessly, she did so. The metal blade slid from its housing with a soft hiss. Something burned behind her eyes, in her throat, in her guts, making it hard to think.
‘Now kill yourself.’
Wellclaim reversed the knife in her hands and stabbed herself in the chest as hard as she could, burying the knife up to the hilt in her own heart. Eyes wide, she gasped out a welling glut of blood, toppled over, and spasmed her last.
A delta of crimson spread out from beneath her, rivulets tracing the hexagonal mosaic tiles of the Ethereals Bringing Calm to Fio’taun.
‘Clear this up,’ said Aun’Va to his shas’tral guards, ‘and find the other one.’
atomic pelican
YES HE LITERALLY DID
Oh my god
That's fucking hilarious
I mean It's awful but
crisp heath
leaning into that samoorai vibe
vagrant osprey
Took me a bit to find this, but have some amateur home construction.
atomic pelican
"Kill yourself" - Aun'Va, going to have this mounted on a wall because It's so goofy
odd sparrow
The farsight trilogy had the ethereals be moustache twirling cartoon villains lol
It was dire
atomic pelican
Yeeeeeep
The Ethereals have been making like, exclusively bad choices since that point sudfhndhnf
Other than maybe faking Aun'Va living, that was probably a good idea
vagrant osprey
I think everybody who looks at that picture either understands why the Earth caste would want unqualified people brought up on charges, or is an example of somebody who should be brought up on charges :V
atomic pelican
Yeee :p
It's a shame because I actually rlly like Farsight himself + the FSE are neat
I love his memeteam
final spruce
I think the other part of the issue is because maybe the Ethereals want the knowledge of engineering such items to be stricktly controlled
atomic pelican
That could be true. Since Fire Warriors have a higher chance of being captured
storm jungle
Bro that excerpt
atomic pelican
Er, fire caste*
atomic pelican
It's really funny dfgunfg
final spruce
storm jungle
ty!
final spruce
Its because I did remember a tau being order to kill himself and he did
And I just wanted to be sure
atomic pelican
I remember reading a meme about it but I didn't know if it was true suhdnfdsuhnf
Lemme find the meme in specific
final spruce
And seeing that the book isn't old
storm jungle
LOL
atomic pelican
That reminds me like
The Earth Caste AI stuff is so wacky. One of Farsight's goons is just a AI recreation of a earth caste friend of his
And apparently it retained his personality and such I thinky
storm jungle
bruh
atomic pelican
But the Aun'Va AI lacks his charisma
storm jungle
this is going titanfall territory of fluff i love it
atomic pelican
That's him!
YES!
I really love the Eight
I'm considering painting FSE just so I can field them
I think Farsight and Shadowsun(some other Shas'O too I think) have a chip in their brain which contains the tactical prowess of Commander Puretide
Which is Neat
odd sparrow
There's been quite a few incarnations of his AI so far, one time his battlesuit was getting swamped by marines so he just transmitted his intelligence to another one
atomic pelican
Yessss
I love caste rep that isn't fire caste, It's a nice change of flavor
Since we barely hear about the non-combatant castes
(I love Fire Caste rep too tho) suhdfnduhnf
final spruce
I mean we have some good knowledge about the water caste
odd sparrow
Puretide is whole ass just blue Sun Tzu
atomic pelican
Yeee tru, they play a big part in books
I love the uhh
Kar'Tyr I think they're called
odd sparrow
Lowkey copying his quotes and sll
atomic pelican
Water caste detectives
Yess sdufhnsdhunf
FSE also just seems to be the Way to Go if you like OldTau and aren't interested in the ethereal council slowly succumbing to brainrot
Since they still follow the T'au'va
final spruce
Brainrot ?
vagrant osprey
You know, if the Tau found an intact STC that would be the end of the setting.
final spruce
Not really
atomic pelican
For example, the Slipstream engine was still a prototype but the Ethereal council was like "lul go go full fleet expedition" and then blew up 3/4ths of the fleet and created the startide nexus
final spruce
Taus are still very small
vagrant osprey
Yes. They have production bottlenecks.
final spruce
More than production, manpower
vagrant osprey
That's what Gue'Seva are for.
final spruce
I know they work with IAs but an IA cannot replace all the soldiers
Especially if they were to take on the Imperium
odd sparrow
tbh I really hope that the Tau get some like, actual significant victories under their belt. It would be a lot more engaging if they're tiny but they're also whole ass steamrolling all of nearby space that isn't necron or ultramar
there is already hella focus on the whole they're small now but they have immense potential thing
atomic pelican
Tru, tho the Tau do pretty well considering our size
vagrant osprey
The important thing is that the Tau wouldn't lobotomize an STC, and would have it produce more STCs
There would be a second Men of Iron.
odd sparrow
buuut by nature of how GW operates all battles/whatever it's kinda inevitable that every engagement kinda has to be a stalemate-ish
atomic pelican
Yee!
storm jungle
tbh I really hope that the Tau get some like, actual significant victories under...
No everyone is gonna go salty
vagrant osprey
Either they would abide by the Greater Good, in which case the Tau win...
odd sparrow
Yeah the whole AI thing 100% should be addressed in a future plotline sometime
storm jungle
I know a sister fan that calls the tau mary sues 24/7
odd sparrow
yea, which is why GW never does that
atomic pelican
I think we're one of the few factions who has defeated a tyrannid tendril without losing a planet(?)
storm jungle
they do have some of it but its still needless salt
vagrant osprey
OR they would betray the Tau, in which case there is no force in the universe left that could stop them.
atomic pelican
FSE I guess technically but
odd sparrow
plus these are usually in books meant to sell models from either faction, doesn't help sales if in the book one faction is dominating the other
vagrant osprey
Yes, Tau have fought off the nids before by being too costly to fight and the battles always being biomass negative.
odd sparrow
cuts to farsight lowkey eviscerating like 7 million ish skitarii at once
atomic pelican
Glorious Vior'la steel folded 10000 times
odd sparrow
nods
vagrant osprey
Zherlum, if the Mechanicum found out the Tau had STCs then you'd have the Mechanicum saying "Clearly, this Greater Good is another aspect of the Omnisiaah"
odd sparrow
no you uncultured swine it's not a katana, it's an honour blade
final spruce
You mean Farsight not giving a shit because the Mechanicus would actually help him in a way ?
atomic pelican
I don't think Farsight would let the Tau empire be destroyed, he jus thas beef with the ethereals, not the majority of folks
crisp heath
what's this here?
atomic pelican
Farsight has shown up to save Shadowsun's ass before, true ronin style
odd sparrow
oh yeah defo, the enclaves aren't like. anti tau empire or anti greater good, they just hate ethereals
atomic pelican
Yeee
odd sparrow
or at least think they are better off without them
final spruce
No pseudo, because the Mechanicum is as xenophobic as the Imperium at large
final spruce
Especially when msot of em do'nt even dare touch xeno tech
And those that do are branded heretics
final spruce
The only reason Cawl isn't one is because he is backed up by fucking Gulliman
wide jewel
pretty sure most of the mechanicus are doing some heretical shit
final spruce
Definitly
atomic pelican
I've mentioned this before, but I think that hereteks being assimilated into the Tau empire is pretty likely considering the hivecities captured and such
Not many of course but yee
final spruce
But Xeno tech is actually soemthing that they do not like
odd sparrow
idk isn't cawl meant to have been like, kinda an iconoclast like that for millennia
way way before robert girlyman showed up
atomic pelican
papa smurf
final spruce
One of his identities
Current Cawl is different from the one that worked with Big E
It's not the same eprsonnality that took hold
final spruce
Don't forget Cawl has within him 24 high tech-priests minds
atomic pelican
Big brain
vagrant osprey
The Mechanicus is responsible for researching xenotech. They have xenobiologists. They've also got a long history of their explorators ignoring xenos because it would distract from their archeology.
atomic pelican
He looks like that "I work out at the library" meme
odd sparrow
the mechanicus is just a bunch of massive nerds and we love them for it
atomic pelican
yess
final spruce
You mean, the xenotech researchers that get lobotomized ?
vagrant osprey
The Mechanicus is 'loyal' insofar as they rules lawyer their agreements.
final spruce
And get injected dissaproving drugs so they don't like it ?
crisp heath
U all need slaanesh in your life
atomic pelican
I agree
final spruce
I never said they were loyal
thick shadow
Same
odd sparrow
u mean the universe that is wildly inconsistent in every detail of its lore and u can't take one single source for absolutely granted in it
vagrant osprey
Remember the time the Mechanicus secretly made their own chapter of Astartes?
Well, the time they got caught?
atomic pelican
Painting space marines T'au sept colors and playing them as a lost legion to get bricks thrown at me @ my local GW store
vagrant osprey
That's not xenotech, that's the Mechanicus being disloyal and heretical
storm jungle
THEY WHAT
thick shadow
Remember the time the Mechanicus secretly made their own chapter of Astartes?
Other than the primaris?
storm jungle
sdfdfkljs
final spruce
But I never said they were lyoal in the first place
storm jungle
i hate how thats technically true
vagrant osprey
Steel Confessors
final spruce
I just said that they tend to be as xenophobic as the rest of the Imperium
final spruce
Puritens being a good example
odd sparrow
New Objective: put primaris under the surface of mars
final spruce
I think that'd fit mroe into meme category
atomic pelican
u r correct
Battle royale: All the ridiculously op individual characters from any source of fluff
thick shadow
Wait, then what is the "dragon" that Emp put it into big pokemon ball thing?
final spruce
One of the Void Dragon C'tan shard
thick shadow
final spruce
Yeah and when Big E realized it gave big brain vibes, he prefered to make a apct with the Mechanicus
thick shadow
I guess the mars is bigger than I/e thought
final spruce
you mean that kind of the mars : ?
final spruce
Delicious
Mars is very important for the Imperium yes
Its the heart of the Mechanicus
thick shadow
The only thing I care about the mars is "is it has water? Us there a local life?". But that's fir irl one.
※Not a war god kind
final spruce
By now there is nothing on Mars, no ressources in the 40k world, like Terra
thick shadow
crisp heath
Tbh there isn't really incredibly cruel daemons and daemon lords in 40k and fantasy
None exceed the likes of molag bal
A mere skyrim creation
odd sparrow
it's a crazy vast universe with many many edgy writers, am sure u can find something
crisp heath
Is there a crazy murder-rape daemon?
atomic pelican
Sounds like Slaanesh
crisp heath
Meh slaanesh dudes are just Horne
final spruce
Slaneesh
odd sparrow
I'd also consider it a pretty uncomfortable topic
final spruce
Slaneesh is all about corruption of people using their desires etc
atomic pelican
(There are more interesting Slaanesh topics anyways)
odd sparrow
but yeah molag bal is v much all about the whole domination and cruelty thing, way older than skyrim. P sure they were in daggerfall/arena
if not then defo morrowind, with all the nonsense with vivec
crisp heath
He's the king of rape
Not just pleasuee
Is there any chaos lord that's like that?
thick shadow
the furry legs!!
odd sparrow
it's a dumb discussion
crisp heath
Since I've been warned that warhammer is really really dark
final spruce
Its also marketable so having a god of rape is not recommended to sell
crisp heath
I've digged really deep and its pretty dark
Yeah lol
Weird that bethesda even allowed that to begin with
atomic pelican
- A god of Excess has more interesting topics sduhfnudfn
final spruce
^
odd sparrow
Elder Scrolls got highkey toned down in terms of that stuff with Oblivion onwards
crisp heath
^
odd sparrow
Morrowind was kinda appealing to a niche audience of mostly adults, hence all the weird and probs drug fuelled fluff surrounding it
final spruce
But its not the Gods that are interesting in 40k its more like the effects they have on people and the fucked up ones that pray to them
thick shadow
Just make Slaanesh thing more "pretty", just like what Japanese usually does. Then it will make A Lot of money
final spruce
Morrowind is also older
final spruce
if you want Slaneeshy rape, ian Watson got you covered
crisp heath
wait what?
atomic pelican
I'm going to start spritzing this chat
crisp heath
Why would I want rape 
final spruce
I meant as in portrayed as
thick shadow
Smut for the Smut God!!
final spruce
You were the one asking for info about that earlier
crisp heath
Either way keeper of secrets are nutjobs
How?
What-
What even are they? Slaanesh must be mentally slow if this is the portrayal of "perfection"
It looks worse than a clan moulder abomination
atomic pelican
Slaaneshi perfection is more about perfection of appearance/vanity
crisp heath
Appearance my ass lol
final spruce
You sound biased
crisp heath
Some snake thing with fangs and boobs raping everyone in the battlefield
thick shadow
and that is why we need a touch of Japanese
final spruce
Also, slaneesh cultists are mostly humans
crisp heath
True
final spruce
What you must be referencing are Slaneesh daemons
crisp heath
Yea
final spruce
The crab ladies
thick shadow
Crustaceans
crisp heath
Slaanesh daemons are the crack heads of them
thick shadow
I wish they had more "soft" parts...
final spruce
But yeah, if you want some fucked-up reading about 40k, Daemonculaba are a thing
crisp heath
Really what's that?
thick shadow
A thing that made with human female
final spruce
But I'm sure , if you're a big fan of Bal, you'll love it
odd sparrow
how can we alienate literally anyone uncomfortable with the topic you mean
odd sparrow
There's very good reason why stuff like what yall are discussing is avoided
final spruce
I don't think it's about alienating people
It's how to show that the Iron Warriors are horrible people
And how faith can come from anywhere
thick shadow
Trust me, there's far way more worse in hrntai world
odd sparrow
I don't mean with that, I meant the previous molag bal adjacent topic
thick shadow
You can see a "resl Slaanesh fuckery" at there
odd sparrow
i'm chill with the iron warriors thing tbh. So long as readers know what they're getting into so it isn't just sudden nasty imagery
atomic pelican
I think it was a BL horror piece wasn't it?
thick shadow
That's a soft kind
"Compared to" of course
The easy way too find those unthinkable stuffs are tagged as a "ryona". But, if you care your own mentsl health at least a bit at the very least. Do not search about it.
odd sparrow
yea horror books v often take body horror-ish cues, it's chill
dude if you don't want people searching about something don't bring it up
i stg
thick shadow
I'm just giving them a choice
That's how I got "one of" my mental disorder in age of 13
thick shadow
Still "way too" soft to compared to
final spruce
And thats only one aprt fo the whole thing
crisp heath
Compared to what?@thick shadow
thick shadow
Indeed
final spruce
Until you come around the failed experiments
Which i think, were a part that touched me a bit
I felt bad for the rejects
wrong name, don't beat me
thick shadow
Compared to what?<@649266119189725205>
A Japanese porn that usually called as a "hentai"
odd sparrow
oh for fuck's sake yall need an adult
thick shadow
But "we" are adults...
crisp heath
Dude I just wanted to know about some edgelord daemon that rivals molag and now my eyes must be bleached
atomic pelican
This is why Nurgle is besto chaos god. no weird uncomfortable topics. just turboshitting. don't @ me
thick shadow
I just went through out "something", that's all. Well, "that" is the problem though
final spruce
Well yeah, in 40k Bal is a bitch compared to simple chaos marines
atomic pelican
oh in AoS yes but that's because rat meme
thick shadow
Remember, the rule 34 "can" go somewhere it shouldn't, and there's "a lot"
What? I just answered a question. Don't blame me for that. What I need is a hug and pat
stone coral
I’m going to take that as a good thing I didn’t read through all this?
atomic pelican
yes
final spruce
Judging by your pfp I don't think you'd have been shocked
stone coral
Shrug
stone coral
Hey do anyone have more info on this tau warp entity?
vagrant osprey
Nope.
Honestly, I think the most likely origin of the Tau is a Necrontyr colony ship the Old Ones decided to hijack and cure.
The Ethereal cast being some kinda failsafe they put in would make sense.
And the Greater Good warp entity could just be another step the Old Ones took.
The Old Ones were tediously cautious.
atomic pelican
Old Ones were dead waaayy before the Tau even came into existence I thinky
We will probs get more info about the warp thingy of the 4th sphere when the next codex comes out
Other than that It was what pulled the 4th sphere Tau from the warp
uh, It's existence is denied and played down by the main Tau empire
Mostly because Tau teachings (despite being pseudoreligious) are secular in nature
+The Ethereal Council doesn't like the idea
I'm hoping that we do get more information on it next Tau codex tho since It's uh
weird
sdfuhndufn
rare torrent
yeah old ones died out way before
the only "modern" races around at that time were the orks and the eldar
well and the necrons obviously
I guess the nids probably were too
the tau are the newest race within all the playable races in the game
celest dome
There were info that pointed toward some Old One surviving and having left the galaxy
Though I don't know if it's still revelant/cannon
odd sparrow
Extragalactic stuff is all kinds of weird
storm jungle
Nah the old ones having remnants is still there im sure
its just never brought up for the sake of narrative but the 9th edition necron codex mentions them as you expect
But its the usual "they made all this shit happen and made the necrontyr mad"
vagrant osprey
The Old Ones died 'or something' back in the War in heaven.
But the theory goes like this: If they hijacked a Necrontyr colony ship and cured the genetic fuckery of the Necrontyr it held in stasis back before the War in Heaven got started, and then just left it adrift, it could arrive at a planet at any point. Spending 65 million years adrift would be the low-end for the ship winding up on a planet.
Also, if you look at where Necron/Necrontyr space was prior to the war in heaven, and look where the Tau empire started? The Tau empire is 65 million years of galactic rotation behind Necrontyr space.
Ship stayed still, galaxy kept spinning.
That would also explain how the Tau went from discovering fire to interstellar empire in only 5000 years, but haven't really changed technologically in the 250+ years since the Damocles Gulf Crusade - they had their colony ship to reverse engineer.
atomic pelican
P sure that would be remembered in Tau history
They advanced so fast in just 6k years because they were a united people, not warring nations
Tech probs hasnt changed much in 250 yrs because balance dusbdhd
But it has changed some
It's just that non-military tech basically never gets talked abt in wh fdshunfuhdsn
But the Supremacy battlesuit is very recent
The Riptide is recent too, but idk if within 250 years
barren tapir
They advanced so fast in just 6k years because they were a united people, not wa...
This remind me of one critic that a guy made once... That the tau weren't smarter than the imperium, but that they had the blessing of not being at war on every front and being in a costant war like the imperium... And contiued saying that if the imperium had the luxury of having like a decade of peace then the imperium would beat he tau in technological improvement race...
atomic pelican
Yeah that's a fair critique. But I think It's more that Tau culture isn't war like, or at least wasn't on T'au when they were coming up
I mean, It'd be like if humanity rn dropped all its wars and stuff
We'd make progress SUPER fast
Like, pre-age of strife humanity was a lot more like the Tau now in terms of tech and their views on progression
It's pretty much the Ad.Mech's views that hold back humanity rn
barren tapir
They have a friendly culture, that is true, but also a quite absolute one, "with us, or extermination"... While the imperium is jus extermination... But that culture may very well change after being abused too many times... Like tau try to trust DE, or even CE...
atomic pelican
The T'au's cultural advantage in progress also has to do with the T'au'va itself, as the Tau themselves have no real goal beyond progress through unity
Yeee that's true, though at the very least the Tau try diplomacy first rather than extermination first but yess they are imperialists too sdufhndfuhn
Progress through unity means Unity through any means in the end tfdnfjnsdf
barren tapir
It's pretty much the Ad.Mech's views that hold back humanity rn
There are factions both in the Ad. Mech. and the inquistion that think the same IIRC
atomic pelican
Yeep
If the Ad.Mech somehow got rid of its traditionalists, and had a willingless to cut apart xenotech, they'd ez catch up to the Tau
Esp with the help of finding more STCs and actually putting them to use
Humanity has a pretty big potential tech advantage over the Tau in being able to use psyker tech
barren tapir
But Ad. Mech. hoarding techs is just one of the many problems of the imperium... Contraddiction is one of them too... Like, xeno tech is bad, but the deathwatch is full of xeno tech with skulls slapped on
atomic pelican
Like, the webway project for example
Yeees
The Tau tried to figure out how tf to figure out eldar webways but couldn't, because no warp connection
Humanity can do that
And almost did but well
magnus sdfhudnsfhn
barren tapir
The Tau tried to figure out how tf to figure out eldar webways but couldn't, bec...
The tau fucked up with the slipstream engine becuase of that too... As you already said the earth caste was cautius, but the ethereals forced that action... Funny enough they have replicated a gellar field without knowing aything about how it works and why it MUST work...
atomic pelican
Yeeeeeeeppp
We're not sure the specifics about the slipstream but the assumption is that it functions the same as a Imperial warp engine
Just that the Tau have no astropaths and such
I believe right now the primary use of the Slipstream is just traversing the already open Startide Nexus, so I guess direction isn't as important
barren tapir
But i give them some more time and they will develop a connection strong enough to "discover" the warp... Humanity discovered the warp quite late in their development, like psyker being quite common... Only in the Age of Tech they discovered it, and Tau are still young in comparison
Info about those topics is sadly scarse yes
atomic pelican
Didn't humanity still have 'psykers' early on in development tho? They just weren't sure what that was
barren tapir
Officially psykers appeared during the Age of Tech, where they were proved to exist with scientific methods... It is extremely probable that someone developed psychich powers before, but they weren't common... Not as common as during the age of tech or the beginning of the age of strife... Navigators are also a product of the age of tech
atomic pelican
tbh I'm welcome to the idea of Tau getting some connection just for the ability to have more than 1 tabletop phas eFUHNDFUHND
In the form of a new connection or auxillaries but lfdghngj
Aytt
barren tapir
Tau have connection to the warp, they aren't all blanks... It is just that that connection is extremely weak
atomic pelican
Yeep
barren tapir
So i would give them just some time before that connection become stronger... And exposure to warp energies is know to accelerate that process
crisp heath
Is it forbidden for the khornate's use of guns as in high ranks? Do mortals ascend to khornate daemonhood?
final spruce
Nope they are allowed guns and some mortals do manage to become daemons
celest dome
This remind me of one critic that a guy made once... That the tau weren't smarte...
Isn't that the other way around ? Like we made technological bound due to the 2 WW and to the Cold War (IRL)
atomic pelican
It's a point of historical debate, there's more that goes into it rather than just war comparisons really but sdfnsdfn
celest dome
Even magic/Psyker are not trully against Khorne, as long as you are not being a coward (Gore Mage in the Blood Cult)
barren tapir
War can bring technological advancement, but not a constant war where you strive to hold your ground... Sure, weapon tech go on, but all other tech get ignored
barren tapir
or that psycho librarian from DoW2
Azaraiah kairas IIRC... Such a loser
barren tapir
Oh come on, how can you defend him?
storm jungle
it can move stuff forward through morbid means but you can still invent OP stuff in a time of peace too
also im not, but that speech is still great
barren tapir
He wanted to ascend with khorne but always flee direct combat, and when he didn't he get defeated
barren tapir
:|
storm jungle
it would be boring if you just fought with him instantly and spammed him to death
but i can get it would be weird from a in-game perpective lol
atomic pelican
If say, terra blew up/the emperor was detached. Would tyrannids stop invading the galaxy/be slowed? I remember seeing a blurb somewhere that his psychic beacon is whats attracting them
final spruce
atomic pelican
rip flashlight guy
rotund siren
I mean, one of em doesn't even have a helmet
maybe this unit just had it placed on the shoulders
final spruce
But !
Guy in the middle with the white line is actually very nervous and skitish during the trailer compared to his companions
So it would make sense for him to be scared if he is indeed a conscript
rotund siren
hey, maybe
I'd certainly be scared if my cohort was composed of mass murderers and the like
final spruce
The other one is too injured to be scared and is already coughing
So likely infected with some sickness
Also, it would make sense to give the melee weapon to the impulsive guy of the group
vagrant osprey
If say, terra blew up/the emperor was detached. Would tyrannids stop invading th...
That would not deter the tyranids. If the Astronomicon were to be halted, then they would stop attempting to push for Terra but would start expanding out to consume the rest of the galaxy.
atomic pelican
Yee just under the fluff that Tyrannids are just driving in from outside the galaxy
vagrant osprey
To be clear: Once the nids decided to commit to attacking the milky way, they were going to attack the milky way.
It costs them biomass to travel between systems, and ostensibly more to travel between galaxies.
They can't afford to stop.
cerulean wagon
@final spruce just as a neat thing: conscript line placement is world specific
the helmet white line is cadias "white shield" regiments
so you could be right, not rhat it matters much now they are ded
final spruce
I mean, first mission could be the boys trying to find what happened to the scout teams and maybe find one survivor of the etaser squad
cerulean wagon
possibly
cerulean wagon
given at this point they dont know how bad it is
lol
that why i messaged
thered a chance its true
final spruce
Would explain all the shakyness
But you can't compare them to plasma dude
You need a certain sense of nihilsm and experience to wield one
Wait nevermind
Plasma wielder also has the stripe
He's just confident cuz he has a weapon capable of blowing up a space marine
But
Conscripts aren't usually given special weapons
cerulean wagon
depends on the world
if they happen to have good supply and trust them enough (out of foolishness or good training) it can happen
storm jungle
Oh it absolutely is
the entire opening of battlefleet gothic 2 is canon
aka all the cadia stuff
storm jungle
he knows whats up my dude!
prime tide
so wait, is this an alliance between cawl and the necrons?
barren tapir
And it is not even between cawl and necrons but only between him and trazyn
barren tapir
If Cawl manage to become the head of the Ad. Mech. it could mean more techs being shared with the imperium and maybe a return of the golden era of the Mechanicus
And if GW want to "modernize" imp factions then that is a way to do with lore
storm jungle
also lets not forget
him becoming a giant metal box of tech upgrades
being the fabricator general isnt easy
prime tide
so who's the leader of the admech rn?
storm jungle
Uhhh...
googles
Oud Oudia Raskian: Fabricator-General of Mars during the Thirteenth Black Crusade
Latest entry we have so far
prime tide
man, less interesting than i thought it was gonna be
final spruce
Cawl becoming the Fabricator general would also be quite nice for the lore
Aka the Imperium is slowly moving from its stagnant rot
And it would also advance the story
prime tide
mhm
vagrant osprey
I'm pretty sure that Cawl isn't even organic at this point.
He's definitely not in his original body.
And he seems the type to upload his brain into an AI core.
vagrant osprey
I think that's just a slave he attached himself to.
I don't even think his ability to think would suffer at all if he was hit by a virus bomb and his 'body' were reduced to sludge.
vast frigate
cawl knows how to perform transferance yes
buoyant crypt
When was the last time 40k got new canon?
final spruce
If by that you mean big ass lore update, it might have been last year
With the creation if the Ynarii, the ressurection of Gulliman and Cawl and his Primaris
It pushed alot of things including the Tyranids and the mass awakening of the Necrons with the comeback of the Silent King
In short.
vagrant osprey
No, I think it's this year with the psychic awakening.
And the weird thing with Sisters of Battle using their warp powers inside a Necron null field?
storm jungle
Yeah the Necron Null Field is the latest one
The BIGGEST however is as Zherlum said was the entire Gathering Storm and Cadia stuff
cerulean wagon
ye
final spruce
I forgot to mention the fall of Cadia in that and the cicatrix, it still hurts
atomic pelican
Thought: The Imperium probably kills more innocent humans than Chaos through sheer population+Institutional violence
Chaos Based? Yes
Actually I guess that would be pre-cadia because of Cadia's ludicrous population fhdbdbd
storm jungle
Yeah im almost sure that was an in-universe joke lol
atomic pelican
Fhddhh
storm jungle
Kryptman PLS
barren tapir
I'm seeing some serius anti imperial heresy!!
But that observation may be quite true... But the difference is that chaos kill innocents in a direct way, the way imperium kills its citizens is indirect
atomic pelican
Yeee
cerulean wagon
actualy chaos has a stupid high death toll, and the average life of a citizen wasn't that horrific
cold parrot
Well, the Imperium kills a ton of citizens directly too doesn't it? Anyone who steps outside of any boundries won't live long
strange depot
that's an ecumenical matter
cold parrot
But I guess it'd be fair to say that the victim has lost the right to "citizenship" by that point, so no civilian casualties at all
cerulean wagon
on most worlds its not that common, peoples tendency to follow the rules or enforce them is about as efficient and consistent as it is in modern life
it still happens, and a fair bit, but not as bad as like
the 13 black crusades and the horus heresy + all manner of cults and other chaos shenanigans combined
its an interesting discussion though lol
imperiums weird
also it depends how technical we get
do we count all psykers as chaos? since it is warp energy
crisp heath
Inquisition has psykers
cerulean wagon
some inquisitors keep pet lictors
it usualy goes about as well as you are thinking
final spruce
Didn't one use a genestealer cult scientist ?
final spruce
I guess this makes Darktide a passion project
cold parrot
100%, and not just for me ofc. we've got tons of huge fans here
vagrant osprey
Isn't the design precept of the Imperium that it is the worst possible state for humanity to be in?
storm jungle
Pretty much yeah
cold parrot
That's the way I've always read it
storm jungle
Even the beginning text says it as the most bloody regime imaginable
cold parrot
At least it ain't Chaos™
vagrant osprey
So, if the Imperium is maximized suffering, then people under the rule of chaos are suffering less. They're just contributing to the end times when chaos wipes away the materium.
storm jungle
Nah chaos is way worse
i dont really want to meld with a wall and suffer for an eternity
among other more morbid stuff
vagrant osprey
I think the Four just kinda kill everybody
cerulean wagon
the rogue trader campaign i was in we found an inquisitor being eaten alive from the inside and kept alive by a chaos ritual
storm jungle
Right now? Yeah chaos the gods pretty much are just cartoon villains currently
vagrant osprey
Chaos undivided basically works out to being a less awful Imperium.
storm jungle
the Iron Warriors say hello
storm jungle
hmmm love me some Chaos AIDS and brain maggots
atomic pelican
We call those brain babies and they love you
storm jungle
AAAAAAAAAAAA
cold parrot
Chaos is freedom, with the side effect of reality disintegrating
And bad stuff happening to your soul
atomic pelican
All things considered, worshipping chaos doesnt seem too bad comparatively
Unless its tzeentch and you get Just as Planned
storm jungle
Nurgle really might be the best bet
atomic pelican
Yeee
storm jungle
when the entire point of Chaos is that nothing good is suppse to be in it
atomic pelican
Thats why hes my favorits chaos god fhdbd
storm jungle
and the entire happiness you get out of it is just delusional
also yeee grandpa is a nice man
cerulean wagon
id rather not be a mouldy sack of tentacles thanks
cold parrot
In context I'd argue it represent freedom, or at least anti-establishment 😄 Biggest way of sticking it to the man (and you even get to choose your favorite god!), but it's a bad wager all things considered
Or rather, terrible wager
cerulean wagon
they represent freedom but also excess
even if slaanesh is the god of excess, the others are also forms of excess
wraith, gluttony, that kinda thing
storm jungle
Yeah the chaos gods are pretty much Moorcock ripoffs without their Order counterparts so they just get to run rampant
vagrant osprey
It's worse. They're their own Order counterparts
vagrant osprey
That got retconned? Huh
storm jungle
Yeah sadly
especially since its been around since Slaves to Darkness
Its why most people keep saying chaos is a "force of nature" when they're literally just evil assholes
storm jungle
final spruce
It's a campaign you can do whatever you want if it helps you
cerulean wagon
thats the fun of it
40k lore is very diverse and you can do some cool stuff with it
crisp heath
They are the opposite of nature
Everything they touch becomes unholy and twisted
The followers turn into beings that defy nature
And one of them is utterly dedicated to spreading his vile corruption and rotting nature to its core
Each one is dedicated to opposing forms of nature
But the vile one is the one completely hellbent on destroying it
crisp heath
Why so you always bully the 5th god : (
It's not that loser malal
The best god is the 5th : (
Replacing slaanesh
storm jungle
Oh Ynnead?
crisp heath
I will stab-kill you
This dude ascended and replaced slaanesh when sigmar caught him
verbal nest
Scweam swuffer swurface dwewers
storm jungle
GREEN FIRE
verbal nest
nworthwander knwight
crisp heath
I hope you burn in the hellish ethereal green fire spouted from the all-powerful lord
verbal nest
storm jungle
barren tapir
Well, the Imperium kills a ton of citizens directly too doesn't it? Anyone who s...
Not really, for minor crimes you will be sent to a peal colony... In the beginning the imperium was an hellish place, but with the lore being developed it stopped being the most awful thing there is... After all the nobles that rule must have a very nice life...
primal tide
As long as the imperium relies heavily on lots of servitors, it'll always be a hellish place
Also dunno what the living conditions of nobles has to do with what life is like for the vast majority of people
storm jungle
I think its suppose to be ironic
barren tapir
As long as the imperium relies heavily on lots of servitors, it'll always be a h...
Why? Most of the servitors are vat grown, some criminal can be made in a servitor sure, but i don't get the connection
Well, i was not ironic, sure there are very bad places in the imperium, but there are also decent one
storm jungle
Im pretty sure the implication in 40k is that anyone can be a servitor
even innocent people
the "they are made from criminals majorly" is still a shallow excuse the writers put for morbidity's sake
primal tide
Where is it stated that most servitors are vat grown?
atomic pelican
Also criminals could be anyone from loiterers to serial killers knowing the imperium fhdbd
barren tapir
Also criminals could be anyone from loiterers to serial killers knowing the impe...
They can also be people who didn't bring back books to the library...
atomic pelican
Yeee
primal tide
the "they are made from criminals majorly" is still a shallow excuse the writers...
Yeah, do a little weed or punch the wrong person you get to live out the rest of your life trapped within your own lobotomized brain as a gun loading zombie
storm jungle
Yep!
atomic pelican
Space weed
barren tapir
storm jungle
Adepta Weedatus
barren tapir
@primal tide
barren tapir
Yeah, do a little weed or punch the wrong person you get to live out the rest of...
Nah, they will be sent to a penal colony, then they may die there or get into a penal legion...
storm jungle
No though?
thats the point
the Imperium is large af
you may go to a colony sure
but someone can easily say you should be lobotimized
The amount of things that can happen to you for punishment is what makes it so scary
barren tapir
The thing about criminals being transformed into servitors is mostly a meme, not like the one about IG being incompetent or the lasgun being weak but near their status as meme
It all depend on the world and how the crime is managed there
final spruce
Depends of where you are
final spruce
Are you living on a forge world where they are in dire need of servitors and have the tools to make one ? Well
barren tapir
Of course on a forge world you will be made in servitor, but on a hive world it would be more probable that you will have to do forced labor
storm jungle
theres literally a scene where a priest is looking through memory banks of servitors
and he finds one where this servitor was just a mom not wanting to be seperated from her kids
he just tosses it away like its junk data
final spruce
Yeah
Tech--priests usually choose to have their feelings docked out
True chads don't
barren tapir
IIRC Ad. Tech. made servitors out of refugees too after the fall of cadia... I don't remeber if those refugees volunteered so to save their families or not... Grim as f yes, but it is not all like that
final spruce
"But, I have a automatic grenade launcher !"
odd sparrow
We're skitarii, we're expendable to most tech priests!
I am not most tech priests.
atomic pelican
The line that got me into the AdMech
That and the variety of opinions within it
The AdMechanicus seems way less homogenous than other Imperial factions in terms of beliefs which is Neat
lean hornet
he just tosses it away like its junk data
I mean I too would spare the poor servitor the pain of their memories by deleting them.
storm jungle
Oh no
he doesnt spare it
his entire mood is
"The fuck is this about?"
tosses it away
atomic pelican
Different interpretation and practices of the Imperial relugion seem lacking, but cool when explored. One of the Only War books talks abt a rogue set of planets who still believe in the Imperial truth, just a altered form of it to support their rebellion
It was rlly cool. I think they were called the severan dominate or smthing?
atomic pelican
I dont remember alot bcuz I just skimmed past them in the pdf but as I recall they have a Duke and such too
These dudes
cerulean wagon
Ah yeah so
they are successionists
their lord is making deals with dark eldar and stuff, then needs imperial help after an ork waagh almost ruins his empire
iirc they eventualy reveal someone as a saint to the local sector
dont remember if its the lord himself
and thats what kicks off the confrontation, because the ecclesiarchy do not recognise the saint
storm jungle
👀
barren tapir
The Severan Dominate don't follow the imperial truth... It is not a religius divergence too... It is just that an entire noble family resent the imperium because it wasn't given the sector to them, instead the first governor was drusus who in time would become a saint...
But they look cool and that fine...
Duke Severus XIII
rotund siren
Yeah. Wonder how they got different stuff
like, did they just tweak it to look different? because that lasgun looks kinda unusual
rotund siren
Oh. I didn't recognize it, used to it having the tubes
barren tapir
The guy in red i posted is a severan dominate shock trooper
rotund siren
I kinda figured from the gas mask and the little antenna
Thanks for clearing up my confusion
barren tapir
Np, when talking about IG or other human factions i can go full on
final spruce
Good ol IG
barren tapir
IG is my favourite faction so i may be overzealous when talking about them or correcting something
atomic pelican
It do be seeming like they do follow the Imperial cult
The PDF implies that their rebellion is more pointed towards the high lords of terra
barren tapir
They do, but it is a twisted (eh, like it isn't twisted in its nature) version of the imperial cult... One version where the duke severus is the true representative of the emperor's will instead of the normal clergy or even the sector governor
atomic pelican
yess
that is what we were talking about udfhndshunf
Variations on the imperial cult
It would be interesting to see more variation, considering there are lots of worlds that just got.. essentially abandoned
To have formed their own variations on the core beliefs would make a lot of sense after so much time
It's why the Dominate are pretty Cool in terms of fluff
barren tapir
Each world has its variation... The imperial cult isn't an homogeneous thing... When they tried to make it that way it didn't go very well
atomic pelican
err, I mean, in theory yes. But what examples do we actually have of different interpretation of the imperial cult having variety outside of some inquisitor stuff?
I know there's divisions within the ecclesiarchy/inquisition itself
barren tapir
For the ministrorum it is important that you accept that big E is a god, and it is not much concerned about how you worship him unless some cerimonies aren't really good...
atomic pelican
I moreso mean meaningful differences. Ex) The Dominate's vision of the Duke being a envoy of the emperor rather than the usual
barren tapir
Do you know about the plague of unbelief?
atomic pelican
Religion divisions seem rather likely, especially on fringe worlds. I just think It'd be neat to see more of it in the active fluff