then his tribe gets raided by some dumb tribesmen called the stonefists lol
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
final spruce
I never said it was lore
I'd say LIKELY
And I used it as a tramplin to say that Spaces wolves, compared to other spaces marines are more attuend to their human sides
cerulean wagon
thats insinuating its something they can do as a faction, which would be lore for their faction
cerulean wagon
if its homebrew
why bring it up in the lore chat
where people are asking about standard lore
final spruce
/cool fun fact
cerulean wagon
final spruce
Lets limlit it at this : Spaces wolves knwow hat sex is conpared to other space marines legions and I have a book stating that
Now I just need to find the extract mentionning it
storm jungle
im pretty sure its in Lukas the Trickster
Thats the most infamous part of that book
final spruce
No
storm jungle
Lukas glanced at him [...]"The favoured tribes. You know them as well as I do, pups. Ulrik has his pet tribes, as do the other priests. So too do the Wolf Lords, in their ineffable wisdom. We play at neutrality, but what warrior doesn’t favour his own bloodline?" Kadir grunted. "Unlike you, most of us don’t remember ours." Lukas grinned. "Well, whose fault is that? Myself, I managed to avoid that by spreading my favours across many tribes." He laughed. "Those were good times." Ake frowned. "You don’t still…" Lukas leered at him. "Still what? Play the divine visitor? Cloak myself in furs and trust in the hospitality of mortals, the way some do?" He shrugged. "What of it?" "That wasn’t what I meant." "I know. But you wouldn’t like the answer, so I avoided the question."
Yes.
final spruce
Its in another one, where you have tempestus scion talking to a Medusa SM how he is gonna propose to that girl in his squad and the Medusa marine is just like "wtf are you talking" about and the space wolf goes "haha sex"
storm jungle
final spruce
Isn't Lucas the Trickster the guy that may blow himself up as a ice statue when he dies ?
Or something like that ?
storm jungle
No...?
I think....?
Hes basically a laughing joking numbnut that plays pranks on his superiors but equally an epic bastard
His schtick is to run around and mostly cause confusion to the foe
final spruce
He had a rule in 5th edition where he'd replace a sergeant for the squad of iniatiates and would die as an ice explosion
storm jungle
Huh neat
final spruce
I was right :
One Blood Claw per army may be upgraded to Lukas, who comes equipped with a Wolf Claw and a Plasma Pistol. Attacks against Lukas (only Lukas himself, not his squad) must be rerolled if they hit, and he can suicide-bomb if he's removed as a casualty for whatever reason, taking out whatever he's in base contact with, including Titans
storm jungle
Jesus this lad
final spruce
Seems like my memory ain't half bad
cloud merlin
think they'll actually release Guardsmen models that aren't just the 90s moulds
what with abaddon's ship doing it's party trick into Cadia
atomic pelican
Abaddon's wacky Cadian beach vacation
storm jungle
A true hit for the kids!
atomic pelican
Gone wrong edition
final spruce
I wish for new IG minis
crisp heath
me 2
cerulean wagon
IG players on life support
atomic pelican
Honorary xeno status achieved
final spruce
I am indeed on life support
The only thing making me feel alive are Blackstone Fortress and Killteam
atomic pelican
Tau 🤝 IG
Being bottom tier right next to eachother rn
atomic pelican
DUSHD
storm jungle
Fuck you pal
final spruce
We got melee and psykers
crisp heath
I'm imagining an ig set with all the bits in a necromunda box
storm jungle
GET EM GOONS
final spruce
You mean run away ?
atomic pelican
I hope we get more than 1 phase tho
final spruce
Because even your fortifications can run away
atomic pelican
Tau dont do well in 9th
final spruce
atomic pelican
Tbf no one else has been updated other than crons
storm jungle
fkdsdfksj
atomic pelican
Clown elves win again
atomic pelican
I really just hope we get melee battlesuits or psyker auxillaries
final spruce
That would fix alot of tau issues
storm jungle
The only reason GW updates necrons at all is probably to get xenos players to stop complaining, not like that fixed anything
final spruce
Buff kroots
atomic pelican
It would also make them less boring
To play and play against
I think alot of problems with Tau tabletop is that running away and just shooting isnt super interactive
From both sides perspective
Probably why Enclaves close range is such a goofy excitement setup
Oh also that Tau accuracy is so bad for a shoot army, and being able to miss a marker light fuffh
crisp heath
They need something to balance out the ridiculous firepower, which is generally poor melee and poor shooting
atomic pelican
Yeah but that isnt even that good in this edition
Since Tau are so squishy and objectives are big in 9th
Static gunlines/gunnery not pog
atomic pelican
They do look cool!
crisp heath
I can see the problem
atomic pelican
I'm considering playing Farsight Enclaves just because A) his model is amazing
And B) free marker lights at close range
barren tapir
And red is always better
atomic pelican
Tru
barren tapir
Unless it is khorne red, that variation is not so good
atomic pelican
Its really funny to me that Markerlights can miss considering that they are laser pointers
Sad and funnyy
final spruce
That's what the call balance
Else it would be triptide hitting on 2+
And I ain't having that
atomic pelican
Oh god yeah
I would love for them to pay the riptide tax and nerf it just so everything else can be viable
barren tapir
I call that eletromagnetical disturbance or simply the guy calibrated badly his weapon... Also balance
atomic pelican
Going 2 move over to hobbies so I dont get slapped for talking tt here fhdhd
final spruce
y
crisp heath
lasguns are also laser pointers and they miss all the time :c
atomic pelican
Fusbd
barren tapir
lasguns are also laser pointers and they miss all the time :c
Did they miss or is simply that they are so weak that they don't even scratch the paint? Let's reflect on that
storm jungle
lasguns
are
not
weak
JESUS
They arent the best weapon out there but they arent "flashlights". Theres a reason as expendable of a weapon as it is its still supplied to I.G in the truckloads
barren tapir
Lulz, didn't saw that coming... Yeah, they aren't weak, at least compared with other normal human weapons
atomic pelican
Reject las tradition. Embrace pulse modernity
Dufhdd
Its really funny how lasguns are so strong. Yet are pp comparatively in the setting
final spruce
Lasguns are good against humans and creatures of similar size
barren tapir
When pretty much everyone else has superior weapon like plasma weapon or portable grenade launcher it is easy to feel something like a lasgun to be weak
prime tide
It's just to the point of who can vaporize eachother first
final spruce
Or whomst has more soldiers
prime tide
Yeah
barren tapir
Reject las tradition. Embrace pulse modernity
Sorry i prefer the chad solid projectile weapons
final spruce
More of an Agrippa model shotgun user ?
barren tapir
Nah, more an user of autoguns
crisp heath
its definitely not the lasgun failing to wound or penetrate armor
its missing
I say this because we have toughness and armor saves for when the lasgun actually hits
crisp heath
in 13th legion, Kage grabs some kinda high tech rapid fire laser gun that seemed pretty good, like 5 rounds a second, was just incinerating typhon guardsmen who were clad in flak, he even chose it over the option of a bolter, only discarded it when it stopped working
barren tapir
in 13th legion, Kage grabs some kinda high tech rapid fire laser gun that seemed...
Probably a merevech pattern, made for close quarter combat with two barrels
crisp heath
@final spruce I'm referencing
Did they miss or is simply that they are so weak that they don't even scratch the paint? Let's reflect on that
barren tapir
The chad guard who used the las cannon aganist the dreadnaught
storm jungle
THAT guy deserved a medal
final spruce
Cain's book is a great example
When he is facing the Khornate
He is praying all the meanwhile he fights because his chainsword cannot penetrate or hurt his opponent
Until Jurgen comes and Melta Exs the problem
crisp heath
@final spruce lasguns are kinda weak in comparison, just saying their misses are misses, not other failures
verbal nest
Tha cwime is youw exwistwence, the swentwence is
DWEFF
cloud merlin
Do you think that sometimes Khorne wishes he was Gork
verbal nest
Probably, do you think he ever gets sick of being so angry
cloud merlin
Yeah he probably just beats something that's dead when he's really angry
barren tapir
That would require thinking and reflecting, he has no brain cell to do that
storm jungle
Who
Khorne or Gork?
im pretty sure the answer is "yes" lol
Jokes aside though the chaos gods actually hate the orks according to the demons in Brutal Kunning, mostly because the orks are really simple minded and already get what they want from Gork and Mork
cloud merlin
Yeah
atomic pelican
Orkz krump chaos
cloud merlin
Orkz are funny aren't they
atomic pelican
Spiky boys stand no chance
cloud merlin
They're really serious have an interesting sort of psychic hive energy
and are the comic relief in the setting
they're probably actually the happiest free minded individuals though
crisp heath
blood axes best orks
cloud merlin
What's smarter your average Ork or your average Ogryn
surely orkz right
even though they're both literal retards
storm jungle
oh my god
rotund siren
he ain't wrong
storm jungle
Luetin used this exact quote at the beginning of his ork video
crisp heath
ogryns are really fuckin dumb, though it also sounds like they're not as childlike as people like to portray, just dumb
final spruce
No huff
This was old lore before they introduced bullgryns
I did the same mistake
crisp heath
they're actually childlike now?
final spruce
Only the BONE ones
They act like proud 10 y olds
because they are smarter than the average Ogryn
crisp heath
I see
final spruce
Bullgryns are the most sttuborn ones
And bodyguard the most loyal
But yeah ogryns are dumb
I think they'd be one the same level as a normal boy
Nobz are already seen having more prose than ogryns
crisp heath
I don't think orks are necessarily even that dumb, they're just thinking differently
different goals in mind, maybe shortsighted ones at times
cloud merlin
Yeah don't most ogryns know like 8-12 words or something
crisp heath
and Warbosses usually seem to be fairly smart
cloud merlin
but at least Emperor is in that selection
final spruce
No, they are able to talk but they are very simple
cloud merlin
yeah I don't keep up
I read most of my lore in the mid 2000s
actually late 2000s
I wish they took more care with their IP
the number of small retcons that are pointless, especially when they over-write something good
I'm just talking generally here, I don't mind ogryn changes lol
atomic pelican
GW takes the shotgun approach to their licenses
cloud merlin
yeah
atomic pelican
Which is both good and bad
cloud merlin
They're also too established and big now to be as grimdark as they used to be I feel
fear of the censor etc.
atomic pelican
WH seems just as edgy as its ever been to me. Unless ur talking abt like actual racism(WH pygmies, for example) lmao
cloud merlin
I think my favourite piece of grimdark lore is the fact that people that piss off the AdMech get turned into servitors that are fully conscious
I just like little bits like that
where it makes sense
but it's still grim
There's also just so much inconsistency
Like bolter impacts for example
sometimes it's a 40mm sometimes it's like a 120mm
verbal nest
It's still what
cloud merlin
in effect
verbal nest
Still grim
👍 
crisp heath
I think people are used to assault rifle looking weapon workin like an assault rifle
wide jewel
What I don't like is grimdark stuff where it's just dumb and makes no sense
crisp heath
so they see bolter and kinda make it an assault rifle-ish weapon
cloud merlin
See the thing that's bothered me since I first got into warhammer
final spruce
Grimderp ?
atomic pelican
Grimderp is pretty widespread in 40k but its w/e
cloud merlin
How the fuck does that tiny bolter mag have like 30 shots
crisp heath
It isn't necessarily supposed to have 30 shots
but thats the standard magazine capacity for an assault rifle
wide jewel
"The Godwyn-pattern bolter has a built-in ammo counter and uses a Sinister/Dexter locking mechanism with a sickle-shaped magazine carrying 30 rounds."
crisp heath
I've seen people mention 12-18 round bolters
atomic pelican
1 round bolter with a REALLY big bullet
cloud merlin
they're just like "The imperium span the whole galaxy, they use lots of different similar stuff"
which is fair enough but idk
wide jewel
Maybe the mag is double stacked?
crisp heath
triple stacked
cloud merlin
like you'd think when one bolter round is approximately 20 times stronger that would jsut be standard issue
atomic pelican
Yee the Imperium is in shambles at any moment pretty much. Its the main reason xenos have a chance
Well excluding necrons
Necrons could probably take on the full imperium if they woke up
wide jewel
I feel like the choice of weapons is just weird as well
cloud merlin
yeah
crisp heath
they cant afford to make and give bolters and all the ammunition that entails to everybody
cloud merlin
could they not just fly around waking up more
final spruce
That's why bolters are either for officers or special forces
prime tide
So why doesn't the imperium use armor piercing bolter rounds all the time?
atomic pelican
Necrons are very sleepy z z zz
cloud merlin
and surely that whole process would just get exponentially faster until they're all awake
crisp heath
they do still hand out heavy bolters fairly regularly as support weapons
final spruce
Because its expensive to do and it means having to constantly supply people with bullets
cloud merlin
I was just meaning for space marines
final spruce
I was talking to eekum
cloud merlin
Like there's one Black Library story where they just crack tank armour piss-easily
final spruce
Also, the bolters for humans are weaker than SM ones
cloud merlin
and just generally have VERY large explosions proportionally
crisp heath
yeah thats just inconsistency
final spruce
There is a Black Library book where children with rocks destroy an eldar tank
cloud merlin
Basically I just want someone to proof check with established lore before they let people write lol
atomic pelican
The books are always inconsistent bcuz different authors. Usually based on who the author likes more
final spruce
^
atomic pelican
There are Tau books where 3 riptides take a hive city
storm jungle
Yeah or where even comics like the new calgar one say people in Ultramar; questionably one of the best mini-empires in 40k; can barely live to their 30's
Its just to remind you GRRRR THIS UNIVERSE IS SO DARK
when in reality its stupid
wide jewel
I feel like of all factions craftworld eldar get shit on the most by this kind of stuff
storm jungle
Oh absolutely
tiny bison
Honestly 40k's greatest strength is the flexibility of the lore.
storm jungle
every fucking eldar prophecy in books turns out shit lol
atomic pelican
Killed by literallt everyone
storm jungle
so much for far seeing
barren tapir
Yeah or where even comics like the new calgar one say people in Ultramar; questi...
Dafuq?? That is wrong, so much wrong
atomic pelican
Ultimately the lore only needs to account and provide a base for YourDudes(tm) because wargame so it works great to be flexible
tiny bison
You're playing with like 10,000 years of a timeline, spanning a whole galaxy. The lore doesn't need to be consistent to tell a good story because there's so much literary space to set a story in 40k.
storm jungle
Yeah blank trust me everyone hated it
atomic pelican
Remember when the Necrona were just murderbots?
storm jungle
Oh man the oldcrons
cloud merlin
lol
barren tapir
Remember when the Necrona were just murderbots?
Depending on how you see them they still are
crisp heath
does the avatar of khaine hav gud rules
atomic pelican
Tru but original necrons were JUST murderbots
tiny bison
Remember when the Sisters of Battle were space nuns that femdom the Space Marines?
storm jungle
You mean never?
tiny bison
waaaay back in Rogue Trader
storm jungle
SISTER SIN
atomic pelican
I think the AoK is good on tabletop but geta owned in lore. Ask Zher hes our tabletop megamind
crisp heath
Did they femdom space marines?
final spruce
I was mentionned ?
atomic pelican
Yess
crisp heath
rogue trader stuff is muddy
atomic pelican
How good is the avatar of khaine in tabletop
cloud merlin
I feel like I simultaneously know everything about SoB and also nothing about them
final spruce
It gets outshadowed by the wraithbones thingies
wide jewel
remember when the grey knights slaughtered SoB for no reason?
final spruce
So, kind of like in the lore, it gets decked in the schnaz by everybody
storm jungle
TOTALLY UNCORRUPTABLE
cloud merlin
wow Grey Knights are epic gamers
barren tapir
remember when the grey knights slaughtered SoB for no reason?
Yes, but there was a reason... Their blood was really useful aganist demons... A dumb reason, but still a reason
cloud merlin
I swear they also get like 20% more powerful each year
atomic pelican
Emperors cumsock became astartes
storm jungle
KFJDFKLJS
barren tapir
uwu our seed-cum comes from the emperor himself
Is this confirmed? Because i alwasy saw that as a theory
atomic pelican
Like the mushroom sock posy
storm jungle
Its actually in the lore yeah
cloud merlin
to the extent that it was implied or may have actually happened in canon that one grey knight went down to a world and won a war
storm jungle
LOL WHAT
crisp heath
haven't similar things been done b4 with regular sm?
atomic pelican
That grey knight vs the shas'la from fire warrior
barren tapir
Kaldor draigo?
cloud merlin
don't think it was draigo, but equally it could have been
final spruce
See the difference between the Avatar of khaine that gets outshadowed by a random wraithlord
cloud merlin
'cause Draigo
crisp heath
alot of the sm are pretty marty stu-ish
barren tapir
haven't similar things been done b4 with regular sm?
Yes, calgar did something similar
atomic pelican
Oooof that comparison
atomic pelican
God
final spruce
And the Avatar does not get special rules from craftwolrds like the wraithlords
cloud merlin
do you think Krieg troops will become a GW army soon
atomic pelican
Craftworlds rlly need a codex and model update
cloud merlin
like made by them I mean
not forgeworld, because they cancelled the forgeworld line no?
final spruce
So yeah, Avatar of Khaine sucks ass
storm jungle
@cloud merlin Anything thats not marines is always up for termination
Gotta make that money boi
cloud merlin
"I'm the living embodiment of a war god, but that's a machine with an elf spirit, I think he can handle this better than I"
crisp heath
Only thing we have is speculation
cloud merlin
:c
storm jungle
The avatar of khaine literally melts people close to him
fulgrim: chokes it
crisp heath
I feel bad for elysians
final spruce
I feel bad for Kriegs
crisp heath
they got krieg treatment b4 krieg did
final spruce
They lose half of their units
atomic pelican
$90 for a squad
barren tapir
do you think Krieg troops will become a GW army soon
Yes
cloud merlin
They're one of the most popular Guardsman armies though iirc
final spruce
And they got shat on really hard
storm jungle
The krieg can win many wars, but they cant defeat GW
storm jungle
G R E E D
cloud merlin
I find it strange how much more popular Death Korps of Krieg is than Steel Legion
final spruce
Because Kriegs had books
atomic pelican
Kriegers are memers
final spruce
Good books dare I say
crisp heath
People really like clone troopers too
final spruce
They look rad aswell, and fit in the grimdark universe of 40k
crisp heath
Stehl Legion looks pretty cool as well
barren tapir
Praetoria
vagrant osprey
Today somebody asked a group I was in "Do SM nut acid?"
I was able to answer the question directly from lore.
40k is so stupid.
final spruce
Lmao
cloud merlin
wait
do they
I know they can spit it
wait
They can still nut can't they
just
their brain has no reason to
final spruce
For the rest we don't know unless someones pulls out the Space Wolf book AGAIN
cloud merlin
like if they concluded that a battle boner would win they'd probably do it
final spruce
We don't know how the gene-seed would influence that or even create a viable life
storm jungle
They are hypnotised and endoctrinated to only be tools
Again depends
Marines have a lot of personality, they arent single minded
final spruce
They are all endoctrinated like that
But, they still remain human so ofc they will retain a part fo their humanity
atomic pelican
This chat has a new "do space marines coom" chat every day It's hilarious
sdhufndufhn
vagrant osprey
Almost all Astartes are asexual. We don't know if this is because their hypnoconditioning deletes their libido, or because they're recruited in early childhood and never undergo puberty.
The Space Wolves, however, recruit from ages 12-16. Most of them go through puberty.
And they're one of the chapters that doesn't do hypnoconditioning.
Space Wolves also, canonically, have sex.
final spruce
Dilara posted the reference today here
vagrant osprey
Most importantly, they also have a working Betcher's gland.
Since their lovers survive the experience, they must not nut acid.
cloud merlin
I bet all the other space marines thing they're totally depraved
vagrant osprey
Well, yes, but not for that reason.
atomic pelican
Finally, another reason to like the space wolves
final spruce
Also I found which book it was
vagrant osprey
Most Astartes do not understand sex. Like, as a concept.
final spruce
It was the Eye of Medusa
atomic pelican
most Space marines are brawncels
vagrant osprey
Salamanders and Blood Angels definitely understand sex.
final spruce
Where an iron Hands is getting bothered because he doesn't understand why the tempestus scion wans to propose to his gf and have children with her
cloud merlin
Surely all blood angels are too perpetually sad to have it though
vagrant osprey
Yeah, Dilara posted about that earlier today.
cloud merlin
"you're thinking about Sanguinius again aren't you Brother Danatos"
they never finish
storm jungle
Eyyy thanks guys, love that excerpt and always have it handy so lol
But its important to remember the Wolves are really lax with authority for the most part.
Other chapters are as people say are pretty much virgin in the mindset when it comes to anything romantic/sexual
storm jungle
:3
final spruce
storm jungle
primal tide
thats deep man
vagrant osprey
storm jungle
👀
final spruce
Thats .... weird
storm jungle
It was related to someone asking if people got r-worded in warhammer fantasy or not
final spruce
Ah yes
final spruce
Back in the day with the naked girls in Vect's ship
But I'm surprised
Legit surprised
storm jungle
Yeah GW was pretty uncaring about it back then
final spruce
I mean, it was during a time where they would'nt care about the business side of the game
Or alteast they did it absolutely wrong
And, let's be honext, in today's society ? I think it would not work
Because medias get shit on because the bad guy says something racist or bad
atomic pelican
I don't think people wanted it then either, considering WH has gotten more popular as shitty parts get cut fgunufgn
Comparing WHF to AoS popularity for eaxmple
example*
atomic pelican
Pretty much, but WH can't survive on old farts alone sadly
sdufhndufn
AoS cut the grimderp and has been more successful than WHF ever was. I think the bigger problem with 40k is portraying the genocidal as the protagonists. While the general idea may be 'satire', It's hard not to see the romanification of the Imperium in some literature, for example
final spruce
That's sad because all the people in my club hate AoS as a tabletop game
Meanwhile I wanna go in because the minis look fantastic and the rules are better
final spruce
AoS has also good boardgames
atomic pelican
Yee
I wanna try the uhh
ttrpg that's coming out
I think It's named after the book, so It's like, Soul Wars?
final spruce
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
atomic pelican
Btw if you didnt' know
regular AoS has rules for making your own custom heroes which I
Really Love
final spruce
Oh, its the same guys that made Wrath & Glory
atomic pelican
Esp amongst my ttrpg group because we love our OCs dfuhndfn
final spruce
I'm not surprised
storm jungle
but yeah Aun is right
id doubt AoS would ever mention skaven reproducing by banging a giant bloated female breeder rat lol
atomic pelican
dfugndfugn god
I will say that there is some stuff in AoS that's getting a bit edgier than it was on launch def, but nothing crossing over into grimderp yet
Which is good
I think the balance is better
storm jungle
Honestly breeders arent grimderp imo
final spruce
Wait
storm jungle
skaven society is shit
final spruce
Skavens works like bees ?
atomic pelican
bzz
storm jungle
Yep
final spruce
Lmao
final spruce
Knowing the skavens tho, that must be a shit job
atomic pelican
Skaven aren't too established in AoS yet. Just got them gnawholes and rules
storm jungle
Yeah no wonder
skaven were the most brutal race lorewise in fantasy so thats why i think
atomic pelican
Beastmen were pretty bad too
storm jungle
fsdjkjfds yeah but they had an advantage
aka lore + tabletop = nobody cared or remembered them lol
final spruce
Now I wanna learn more about AoS
atomic pelican
Last spotted being chased across the mortal empires map by boris
I like this video
If ur interested in AoS
storm jungle
Yeah AoS is basically like those fantasy setting with endless realms now
atomic pelican
Yeees
A lot more over the top fun stuff too, mythic level stuff
Gods/demigods on battlefields etc
I really love the Ork story in AoS
Wherein, Sigmar and Gorkamorka had a series of contests to get Gorkamorka to join the pantheon
Drinking contest being one of them
storm jungle
Yep like i said earlier its pretty much guardians of the galaxy but warhammer lol
also the best part is AoS orks are MORE op than 40k ones
atomic pelican
YEAH
storm jungle
oh yeah also cocaine abusing goblins
final spruce
Good, they deserve it
atomic pelican
In AoS, during the age of chaos, Ghur(beast realm) was like
One of the few realms to beat the shit out of chaos
because of the orks
reminded me of how good this trailer was, dilara
storm jungle
oh my god the voice acting
atomic pelican
YEAH
storm jungle
SO BAD
atomic pelican
CRUNCHY
storm jungle
i like how this sounds like bedroom quality mic lol
OH MY GOD
THEY USE THE FUCKING MECHANICUS OST
atomic pelican
I think
At like 1:49
there's a TWW sound effect
marching sound effec tI think?
At least it sounds like it uhgnfuhng
storm jungle
YES
atomic pelican
omg.
storm jungle
i play total war a lot, its the unit selection sound lol
final spruce
Fuck they did
atomic pelican
They had to pay for the voice actors with teef to keep authenticity
final spruce
Because Magnus's voice in 40k is just ............ so mundane
storm jungle
Yeah ill admit the TTS voice isnt perfect, but the original trailer one was meh
meanwhile the Ahriman tho
jesus this guy's voice is god-tier
final spruce
I mean, TTS voice sounds actually different
Magnus was special among his brothers
He was a red colossal beast, a great warrior aswell and intelligent at that
atomic pelican
owo
atomic pelican
There's a bit towards the end where it's Nagash lines from Soul Wars and It's really good dufhndun
O wait nvm, that's in his stormcast video I think
storm jungle
FACK
but honestly ill watch the rest of this guy's AoS stuff once this is done, its great
atomic pelican
Yesss
vagrant osprey
all females are breeders
Not true! There have been Skaven females born with grey fur who have become greyseers!
vagrant osprey
TBH, the worst parts of AoS have been jettisoning all the old lore, and adding rebadged space marines.
atomic pelican
The old lore didn't really get retconned, It's moreso a continuation
+Stormcast eternals are.. better.. than space marines omegalul
vagrant osprey
There was a dragonbreak event.
atomic pelican
That and
The old lore was uh
expansive
but had some
well
Tumors on it basically
That and just being tolkienesque/generic in many ways
vagrant osprey
It did have tumors, true.
atomic pelican
Honestly the Skaven were probably the most unique race in WHF
Probably why they've remained mostly unchanged going into AoS fhdnfsdn
storm jungle
Skaven are the most unique race in all of fantasy universes i think
storm jungle
i know ratmen races already existed but skaven were just great and so different
atomic pelican
Yeee
storm jungle
a race with no redeeming qualities yet remain to be hilarious af
atomic pelican
Pre-AoS the Skaven were probably the most recognizable WH thing, in terms of fantasy
final spruce
yes-yes
atomic pelican
Nah Skaven are still Skaven sdfuhnsdfuhn
Clan Pestilens is still in actually I think
atomic pelican
Skaven literally dug through dimensions into the AoS world
So they are like
exactly the same essentially
dfguhndgun
atomic pelican
OOF
storm jungle
nothing seems to have changed lol
atomic pelican
Now they have gnawholes to put down at least!
I'm sure eventually they'll get a model update alongside other old stuff
The progress rn seems to be "Keep all the old order models in Cities of Sigmar until we make a actual faction for them"
Ex) You could buy High Elf Phoenix guard and stuff for city of sigmar, but now Lumineth are out
I think you can still buy them tho actually ufhndufhn
storm jungle
this is so confusing lmao
atomic pelican
It's weird
storm jungle
so much for starting over
atomic pelican
Cities of Sigmar confused me too
Because It's such a jumble of different units and stuff
Tbh I think It's better this way
So people don't have to throw out their old models at least
god the old steam tank models
that still have Franz on the front
sdfuhndfuhn
atomic pelican
storm jungle
Honestly i hope they dont erase that
atomic pelican
sfudhnsdf
atomic pelican
If I remember right, some characters do remember the old world
Teclis for example
vagrant osprey
Isn't the point of AoS having people throw out their old models?
barren tapir
I heard an interesting theory about karl franz in the aos
atomic pelican
Is it that he's a stormcast?
barren tapir
Yes, but not a generic one
atomic pelican
Ahh
Yeah It's weird there's a few Stormcasts who have similar names to old chars
like
Settrus, but he was confirmed to not be Settra by Nagash
barren tapir
The first of them, the one that can wield ghal maraz
atomic pelican
Oooh
barren tapir
Also on 40k side we have a new warzone and on necromunda the house of artifice is going into the fray
barren tapir
Typhus himself seems to want to take metallica... May the followers of the omnissaiah be victorious!
Sadly we all know that they will not, since it would mean making a chaos champion lose
final spruce
Even the skitarii can fall to chaos
And its dirty as hell
Eye of Medusa has some moments
barren tapir
The new necromunda guys that look out of place
I must admit that i was expecting a better aesthetics... Now they look like insectoid worshippers cult
final spruce
They have a look that I would have expected for a mix between Drkhuari and the bone lords from AoS
barren tapir
Even the skitarii can fall to chaos
Of course they can sadly... They aren't as pure as blanks
crisp heath
Nah insectoids are slaanesh marines
atomic pelican
pinch boys
final spruce
crisp heath
God look at what they look like
final spruce
Look at em
storm jungle
WE'LL MEET AGAIN
final spruce
They don't fit in the "Poor people do crazy shit for power and survival" Necromunda
storm jungle
SPIDERMAAAAAAAAAAAN
atomic pelican
HELLO MY DEAR
storm jungle
MJ scream
barren tapir
They don't fit in the "Poor people do crazy shit for power and survival" Necromu...
Well, that is because they aren't that... They are the most advanced house and the most wealthy too
final spruce
Makes a bit more sense
barren tapir
Also those "belts" looks like something ripped by a necron high rank
crisp heath
Oh god I hope we'll have tyranids in darktide
final spruce
Yeah
crisp heath
They are perfect for darktide
final spruce
They do'nt have that gothic vibe
atomic pelican
Could be a DLC at some point, ex beastmen or the addition of chaos from vt1-vt2
final spruce
Genestealer cult would fit better Darktide's atmosphere
crisp heath
Yeah but wouldn't make alot of sense to have zombies or warriors tbh
The tyranids are the skaven of 40k
atomic pelican
Idk abt that
barren tapir
On how FS want to expand the game they could have pretty much all the chaos gods cultist and even some tyr
crisp heath
Nobody takes them seriously
crisp heath
But they end the world
storm jungle
GSC would be absolutely perfect
i think the reason they arent used is because of Spacehulk
who already overused the hell out of genestealers themselves
atomic pelican
Giving me mild heart burn thinking about how bad deathwing was
final spruce
A genestealer cult would also incldue shooty enemies
If Darktide is more gunfight focused compared to vermintide, that'd mix greatly
barren tapir
A genestealer cult would also incldue shooty enemies
Yes! Our gunfights will be legendary!!
final spruce
Between the Brood Brothers , and all the Gen3 bastards
And it would even make kind of sense
storm jungle
yeah GSC are literally walking L4D enemies
crisp heath
GSC?
barren tapir
Genestealer cults
storm jungle
Genestealer Cults
final spruce
People panic from Nurgle infection ? DON'T WORRY WE GOT A SAFE 4 ARMED EMPEROR CULT RIGHT HERE WHERE WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU
crisp heath
Rotbloods?
final spruce
Compared to Vermintide's chaos warriors
final spruce
Depends, I'd see the wretch take a mroe animalstic approach, aka on 4 legs etc
crisp heath
Insectoid battles would be awesome
final spruce
Space Hulk Deathwing
vagrant osprey
There were a LOT of problems with Deathwing
Rather than having a large number of chaff nids with a few bruisers, it was a constant trickle of bullet sponges.
The controls were... not great
The terminator armor was basically paper
Movement was EXCESSIVELY slow.
final spruce
Which wouldn't have been a huge issue if you could have been accurate
When shooting
vagrant osprey
Yes.
Lorewise, Terminators are actually pretty fast.
It's just they're fast in straight lines
Turning is slow as ass
Deathwing made them move at a slow walk, but turn pretty quick.
The weapons shooting cotton swabs was also not great.
A genestealer cultist should not survive a heavy bolter round to the head. Let alone THREE
final spruce
Game just doesn't feel satisfying like Vermintide does
vagrant osprey
On normal difficulty.
final spruce
Your weapons, apart from the shotgun have little weight on tyranids
vagrant osprey
Vermintide it feels like you're making progress, even if that progress is slow.
In Deathwing, you never feel like making progress even if you actually are.
I could go into detail on this - VT's stressed-unstressed cycle of enemy waves and deployments versus the steady drip, and etc - but going into game development theory is probably not topical.
rocky nymph
idk whats up with deathwing but it feels clunky
i wanna love the game but the ui is ass and the game just feels like ass
melee doesnt have the punch that it should have and i feel like i never make any progress through out the map
rocky nymph
its really dissapointing
i love terminators and the space hulk concept but deathwing dropped the ball on what could of been a amazing co-op game
vagrant osprey
What they SHOULD have done is given the player a large, but finite and non-replenishing health/armor pool
So that it would be a constant struggle to complete an objective and return before the critical resource of not dead runs out
verbal nest
What's the beef between imperium and Tau? Do the Tau think they're the Waystalker mains of the 40k universe?
atomic pelican
good lord
a tau meme and a waystalker meme
I thought I'd never seen something more repeated dfuhndugn
Waystalker Player Friendly Fire.mp3
verbal nest
Waystalker mains can't get kicked for friendly fire if they play solo
Me
And I don't friendly fire because bots are never near me
vagrant osprey
The beef between the Imperium and the Tau is that the Tau exist and the Imperium is big on extreme xenophobia and genocide.
Also, the Tau keep recruiting Imperium planets and doing a better job of running them than the Imperium, and the Imperium only tends to find out when they get around to checking tithe compliance and realize the planet stopped.
atomic pelican
I grant u my discount non-nitro tau emotes
rare torrent
dont the tau have the issue of very slow travel? realistically they wont be a threat the core imperium because it takes them forever to move from system to system
atomic pelican
They didnt. But now they do
atomic pelican
The slipstream engine was just recently invented and in a large fuckup at first
Tore a massive warphole directly into imperial space
The startide nexus
The 4th sphere of expansion was 'lost' to this for awhile and went a lil apeshit
Lost 3/4ths of the expansion fleet, the other 1/4th came out in the Nem'Yar atoll in imperial space with their Auxillaries chaos warped to shit and having been saved by a warp entity of the Greater Good
Later on, the main Tau empire discovered that the 4th sphere wasnt lost, and found the Startide Nexus
rare torrent
a lot has happened in 6 years haha
rare torrent
If it wasnt for covid I think I would have picked the hobby back up early this year
but alas all the stores closed
stone coral
I’m sorry a warp entity of the greater good?
atomic pelican
Oh yeah and now the Deathguard got some boys thru the Startide Nexus and are assumed heading str8 for the Sept Worlds
Yeeeeah
Its.
Goofy
rare torrent
well the chaos gods are just manifestations of thoughts and ideas
atomic pelican
But essentially the auxillaries of the 4th sphere 'thought up' a sort of god
rare torrent
so I dont see why there couldnt be a tau "god"
stone coral
As in its a manifestation of the greater good belief or a daemon pretending to be it
stone coral
I thought tau had very little presence in the warp
atomic pelican
The main Tau empire doesnt like the idea of a god and kind of sees 4th sphere survivors as weirdasses
They dont
Or shouldnt
4th sphere had a lot of lore inconsistencies
Auxillaries do have a warp presence
stone coral
I assumed that what they ment
atomic pelican
Kroot, vespids, and humans are the main 3
atomic pelican
4th Sphere Tau went ape once their Auxs started turning being chaos warped and started killing them
Yess
He is
He has a rlly cool new mini too!
rare torrent
ah sweet the old one was basically a regualar suit with different helm and a sword
rare torrent
oh wait, when did carab culln die lol
stone coral
That’s cool as heck
atomic pelican
My knowledge runs out in specifics beyond Tau stuff so idk abt Carab fushdhd
rare torrent
ah okay haha
I used to play red scorpians which was the forgeworld marine chapter
rules have changed so much
atomic pelican
Yeee
rare torrent
so when a weapon has S AP D what is the D
S is strength, ap is save negated I think
but I got no idea what the last one means
rare torrent
and the rules are free in an app now?
atomic pelican
Technically no, practically yes
You can find the core rules free and also theres uhh
Battlescribe
Someone else probs knows more abt finding the specific codexs and stuff tho
I'm just starting to get into playing 40k coming from AoS dhsbddb
rare torrent
yeah all good
vagrant osprey
I’m sorry a warp entity of the greater good?
ALL THINGS BECOME TRUE IN THE WARP
stone coral
Someone pinged me?
vagrant osprey
You expressed disbelief in there being a warp entity of the greater good
stone coral
I suppose I did, yea
atomic pelican
WHF/AoS gods and such arent quite the same as 40k ones. Sigmar is just a once man, now God. Not rlly a chaos god
Same for all of the non-chaos pantheons p much
rare torrent
yeah he is it seems
but that was in 2017
and apparently the current codex lists him and loth as dead or lost
rare torrent
yeah I dont have the codex, but someone in another discord passed the info on to me
so grain of salt
but I cant find anything that says they are alive or playable
atomic pelican
You can probably still play him
toxic scroll
Idea: convert a dreadnought into a titan.
toxic scroll
Just slap some metal, big guns, and there ya go
rare torrent
yeah but neither have rules more recent than 2017
celest dome
There are also a few other True Chaos God of Order (The sleeping lady of Praag, The Punisher)
There is also mention in AoS, that the different Wind of Magic already used to be things, which may mean that the different gods used to live there and not in the Realm ofChaos or on earth
thick shadow
nearby Slaanesh cultist got sadden by that word, but also pleased
barren tapir
The slipstream engine was just recently invented and in a large fuckup at first
They didn't invented anything, they reverse engineered an imperial warp space, that is also why when they activated a lot of them they simply tore a giant warphole and "lost" their entire fleet...
I didn't read about their aux being corrupted by chaos in the 4th sphere, but one thing is sure, the tau survivors saw all aux, even the one that weren't present in the 4th sphere (which were all already exterminated by the 4th sphere tau) as a corrupting influence on the greater good...
The entity thet they met in the warp may have been truly a condensation of the tought of all the races that believe in the greater good and have a stronger connection to the warp than tau core races (which is non as great as human as an example), or it may have been a demon who was acting like the greater good and its plan was to corrupt the tau... Both theories have solind ground, but as now they are just that, unless i missed some lore bits
The 4th sphere tau were reprimanded for their actions, but they continued to sacrifice their aux or just striaght murder them until some kroot under their order rebelled, then they get sent back to the core sept of the tau empire for re education... Now, we know how chaos corruption work, and we know that there are some demons that like long term plans, so i my take on the story is that we will see some of the first chaos tau in the future, the fact that they have a weak connection to the warp didn't mean that they cannot get corrupted, just that they aren't as interesting as human or other races for demons...
atomic pelican
Reverse engineered from Kroot and human vessels, yes. However, new auxillaries who may have come through with the 5th sphere weren't slaughtered. Being under Shadowsun's expedition
Idk this "durrr didnt invent stuff" as if reverse engineering tech isnt as valid. Considering the fact this is like critiquing saying "Wowie. They sure are resourceful!"
Considering the Earth Caste has uh
Invented a tyrannid killing virus before
In the FSE
Better than the complete unwillingness of other factions to reverse engineer alien tech imo
barren tapir
Reverse engineering something is not the same as inventing it... Otherwise we could say that the deathwatch invented imperial phase swords, which is incorrect and what they did was taking a necrons sword and slapping as many skull they can on it...
For sure the tau are resourceful and are estremely interested in others race tech...
About the aux that came with the 5th sphere were indeed sacrificed by the tau of the 4th sphere survivors...
I admit that my words were poorly chosen, like "they didn't invnted anything" should have been "they didn't invented those engines", so my bad on that part, but all the other stuff is right
atomic pelican
By the 4th sphere yes
You said it as if the 5th sphere joined in fudbdh
Thankfully the 4th sphere edgelords are being reprimanded
In terms of tech, its one of their selling points
barren tapir
Where? Because i stated that the 4th sphere keep sacrificing its aux, which were all from the 5th sphere since all the aux of the 4th were killed
atomic pelican
Being the most progressive of the factions science wise
barren tapir
In terms of tech, its one of their selling points
Agree, they are willing to learn from other races, and that is a great strength for them
atomic pelican
Oh, you mean like the AI they invented by themself?
Or the battlesuits
Which were invented pre imperial contact
Or the Tau agriculture tech which was, leagues better than Imperial, and traded with frontier Imperial worlds
Fusbdhd
The Imperium hasn't made nearly any progress in the past 10k yrs
The Tau have superceded them in 6k, from tribal to now
barren tapir
I understand your zeal in defending them, and it is right, i already stated that my words were incorrect on the "they didn't invent anything" part...
atomic pelican
It was moreso the "they only learn from others"
Dhshdhd
Or the implied
But yes god
The 4th sphere was
A silly lore blurb which most ppl (anecdotally, the other Taugamers I chat with) hated
Its where I get my concerns of slow grimderpification
barren tapir
A silly lore blurb which most ppl (anecdotally, the other Taugamers I chat with)...
It is more one of the many things that they will face in becoming a main race of the galaxy... Eldar had it, necron had it, mankind had it... And now they too are going to have to face some horrors that will shake their core beliefs... It was more a natural development of the race IMHO
atomic pelican
Not really. The 4th sphere was really OOC for Tau beliefs and ways of acting. Just bad writing.
barren tapir
As now they have faced orks and tyr, and they did amazingly, who know what will happen when they will face chaos in a true manner
barren tapir
Not really. The 4th sphere was really OOC for Tau beliefs and ways of acting. Ju...
Or maybe it is a right development when they face something that cannot explain
atomic pelican
Ehh, I'm not going to thrash over whether or not writing is bad. But from the general consensus I get, most Tau ppl hated it, and anyone else was ok with it.
The slaughter of auxillaries is the most egregious part since its anithesis to the T'au'va
barren tapir
Ehh, I'm not going to thrash over whether or not writing is bad. But from the ge...
Of course they didn't like it, i would be surprised of the contrary
barren tapir
The slaughter of auxillaries is the most egregious part since its anithesis to t...
Ideas can get warped... We all know that
atomic pelican
The problem being that lore probably shouldn't infuriate the playerbase of the faction due to being OOC
barren tapir
Maybe it isn't OOC? It is developing the character
odd sparrow
Yeah there's been hella bad writing for every faction in 40k, the needless silly grimdarkness just shows up especially badly with the tau cus it's v antithetical to their character as a faction
odd sparrow
ultimately you choose what 40k stuff you wanna take as canon, it's all super subjective and personally I don't really like all the imperium-ifying stuff for the tau
nods
atomic pelican
Yeeah the problem is that 40k already has enough xenophobic factions, the Tau don't need to become that
barren tapir
TBF i would like a less grimderp imperium
atomic pelican
Yesss
odd sparrow
There's tau stuff i like and tau stuff i don't like, a lot of it in the same piece of media. Dawn of War was great for developing them but i also think that the whole sterilizing entire populations thing highkey doesn't work for the tau
atomic pelican
A less grimderp everything really would be Nice
barren tapir
A more reasonable imperium would be amazing
odd sparrow
they're into social engineering and slowly shifting the attitudes of a society over time. Straight up genocide isn't so much their thing
atomic pelican
Thankfully the only DoW canon ending is the Ork one I believe
crisp heath
The Imperium usually isn't that grimderp unless you want it to be, there's plenty of reasonable imperium lore scattered throughout the grimderp bits
atomic pelican
But yeah Its goofy
odd sparrow
they wouldn't like, fully straight up sterilize a population, but they might instead split the population up so that the gue'la live in more or less abject poverty such as that they might as well be sterilizing them long term
That's my interpretation of them anyways
atomic pelican
From what little written stuff we have, Gue'vesa tend to have it pretty good but It's so little that w/e
odd sparrow
It's the same thing with the imperial cult. You'll be allowed to worship the emperor and all, sure, but that doesn't mean the Tau brass are comfortable with any ideology that could compete with the Tau'va and it doesn't mean they won't on the lowkey try to discourage its worship over the long term
atomic pelican
Yeee
odd sparrow
Ye. To me like, the whole dynamic of the tau is based around them not being xenophobic and grimdark in that way
it's meant to display a society that's horrible in a different and not necessarily worse or better way
wide jewel
Tau are good because they provide constrast
atomic pelican
Yess
storm jungle
Nooooo tau are horrible
odd sparrow
they're utopian idealist collectivists with a caste of absolute philosopher kings, there's a lot to make them grimdark about without just bleeding the Imperium's vibe into them
crisp heath
There's an entire story where the tau and the imperium cooperate to assassinate a tau commander who's gonna start another war between the imperium and the tau and neither side really wants to have another in that region or at that time, the tau have pretty good reasons to not want to kill the commander themselves while also being unable to remove him from the position peacefully and the imperium, while still xenophobic recognizes another military conflict with them at the time would be a bad idea
storm jungle
they arent edgy enough!
atomic pelican
In terms of ongoing lore, I guess if things get rlly bad in terms of grimderp the FSE are the closest thing to og Tau
barren tapir
I like that story where a human and a tau investigators have to find genestealers
odd sparrow
tbh tau are pretty ugly to be fair
atomic pelican
Yeeeah fushdh
storm jungle
Yeah i was joking lol
atomic pelican
No nose
storm jungle
i wish people found some good reasons to hate the tau lol
crisp heath
which seems reasonable enuff 2 me
wide jewel
If something can prosper despite being not nearly as dark then it makes the grimdark things a lot darker
odd sparrow
Yeah the whole don't fit the aesthetic thing is like. Yeah they're v different to any of the human factions but dude u mean to tell me the eldar aren't? It's a v personal thing what you think works and doesn't work with the aesthetic
crisp heath
I don't think people hate the tau for not being edgy enough, it's probably moreso being a faction that just showed up, showing everybody up regularly, it's kinda weird
odd sparrow
to me Tau fit in perfectly, cus i've been exposed to them ever since i started getting into the universe
atomic pelican
Yeee the Tau are the main reason I got into 40k
odd sparrow
They are defo like, in general as a faction they lean more into the sci fi aspects of 40k over the space fantasy vibe
storm jungle
@crisp heath People hate the tau for everything