Imagine living with your assassin name being mother gullet
#40k-lore-chat
primal tide
final spruce
Ian Watson exists
primal tide
You spend your whole life murdering people in tons of ways but you swallow one baby and they never forget it
final spruce
And the daemonlocuba also
storm jungle
Its true chapin
primal tide
Do not speak of this
final spruce
Worse things than vore going on in 40k
primal tide
Delete this nephew
mellow depot
you know who else has barbs in their hair and whips it around?
final spruce
But I agree its high up there on the fucked up scale
mellow depot
Wamuu
primal tide
Best boi
mellow depot
i was genuinely sad for wamuu's death
primal tide
Agreed
mellow depot
anyway offtopic
atomic pelican
essentially, yes
final spruce
Just say Wamuudes and you're good lmao
primal tide
To be fair the emp is a joestar, clearly
final spruce
He does have the imposing well known british physique
primal tide
smh my head, men always overstating their height
wise juniper
Wasnβt there a theory that the emperor can make himself look as anything with his psychic power?
Maybe he is just average build
Then again he would not fit on his armor
So who knows
primal tide
"Emporer is a manlet" is some serious heresy
final spruce
He can give hismelf the apperance he wishes yes
crisp heath
Its Just a Illusion and dont effect the true body
I'm probably going to say something heretic but does the emperor fights?
barren tapir
I'm probably going to say something heretic but does the emperor fights?
Yes, he fought
wise juniper
I remember there was a story with a primarch that he didnβt see the emperor as anything amazing while everyone around his was praising him
Donβt remember what primarch it was tho
final spruce
Mortarion maybe ?
crisp heath
I'm probably going to say something heretic but does the emperor fights?
@crisp heath
No anymore, hes Just a corpse in a machine
barren tapir
Corvus IIRC, he could see different man when he wasn't really looking at him
crisp heath
Ok
barren tapir
Maybe it was his original form
wise juniper
He has such psychic might it would not surprise me
In the story of the last church when he talks to that priest he also seemed average build
wise juniper
I think he did spare the priest
crisp heath
Depends on how U define Life.
wise juniper
Not the church
barren tapir
Uriah is dead, he chose to die with his church
wise juniper
Or he died with his church xD
crisp heath
Hes stuck on His throne, Limited to powering the astronomicon and very very few Interactions/conversations via His mind
Not a fancy life
On the Other Hand hes basicly Immortal as Long they sacrifice psykers. and gets worshipped as god
I don't know the lore, but is there magic? Or it's covered up tech mixed with religion in 40000?
Using the Powers of the Warp could be named Magic.
primal tide
"Wait it's all contradictions?"
"Always has been"
thick shadow
What if Vulkan's lore changed to that he has a body of coals and burning core inside someday?
And full living metal Ferrus Manus.
Primarch Elemental Forces
primal tide
And perturabo is a functioning sodium reactor
verbal nest
If an STC grail made space marine grail knights (and other Astartes like units), would their ult voiceline be "Audacity of Abaddon!"
Compared to whatever Audacity of Agalar is
thick shadow
Blood Angel "was" used a grail/chalice
storm jungle
yeah its their entire motif
thick shadow
Drink it, and sleep into coffin
and like 100 years? Bamn, your are handsome blonde space marine
storm jungle
Worth it if you ask me
storm jungle
thats one lethal koolaid
thick shadow
yes
odd sparrow
a worthy sacrifice for blonde pretty boys
thick shadow
I think, I heard it called as a "Blood of Sanguinius"?
Probably the blood of primarch himself
"was" tho
primal tide
I didn't know that was part of their creation
That's pretty cool
So they're transhuman butterflies
primal tide
Oh, lame
thick shadow
Current lore is just same as others
primal tide
Table flip damnit gw
thick shadow
and plastic surgery to have a "pretty handsome blood angel face"
I HATE GW for this
where there's more reason to hate them tho
wide jewel
new new lore, they're just regular marines with makeup and a wig
atomic pelican
Clown marines when
thick shadow
I wish Iron Hands were like... their flesh it self turns into living metal by time by time
primal tide
Lol, blood angels should have the blonde hair black eyebrow mismatch then
primal tide
Yessss
thick shadow
Imagine a real "Ferrus" Manus
primal tide
The gereg is straight π₯
storm jungle
π
final spruce
I mean, that would be a sick thing
That's a good idea
Having their skin slowly turn into metal
storm jungle
ikr, imagine all the balthasar gelt memes
primal tide
Sounds like khorne would have enjoyed that
primal tide
Steppe brother what are you doing
thick shadow
Like more lamellar looking armours and so on
Or Eastern Brigandines
and throat singing, too!
primal tide
I kinda wish scars had those giant horses from caliban on their planet instead
Unless I'm ignorant and they also have huge horses
primal tide
Chinggis Khan is probably my favorite song of theirs
storm jungle
Will admit i think Scars are much better with riding bikes
its the only Chapter imo who makes it look cool af
final spruce
Mongolian throat singing ? Hell yeah
Play some pipe organs you now have a nice theme for the White scars
thick shadow
they colonized Korea before though
final spruce
Now we only a need a Space Marine Kart game
final spruce
We already have a prototype : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4loz3CeGX9Y&t=5s&ab_channel=HammerPattern
Just put ium at the end and we good
thick shadow
The driver brother can't see when the gunner brother shoot!
storm jungle
I love how the marines actually quote silly counter-arguments people would say defending this atrocious design
then MUZZLE FLASH BRRRRRRR
final spruce
It's made by the same guy
primal tide
Yep
final spruce
I'm currently reading throught the V2 of Wrath & Glory
Trying to udnerstand how to run it
Gives me lore aswell
Neat
barren tapir
@primal tide it is better to continue here
New primaris yes, they may be already indoctrinated into religion
But i was hoping that with the return of Guillman SM in general would start to follow a less religious way without fearing too much for retribution
primal tide
It's likely we'll see them meet in the middle
||Especially given how that second plague war book ends||
barren tapir
Explain please
If we start seeing more SM explicity stating that they don't follow the imperial creed they may start to interest me again
primal tide
||Gorillaman sits down to read a super ancient copy of the lecticio divinitatus||
God autocorrect had a field day with those last two words
||Iirc its strongly hinted at to have been personally written by lorgar pre heresy, might have this part wrong tho||
barren tapir
||The lectitio divinatus was indeed written by lorgar||
primal tide
No I know, I mean that copy in particular
barren tapir
Ah...
primal tide
Like, it's in a stasis box and everything
barren tapir
Not so weird tbh
primal tide
It's a cool moment, and follows a bunch of internal monologing over whether emp really was is a god or not, and if the distinction even matters at this point
||I think it's especially neat because if big G changes his position on the creed a bit, it'll make a more interesting dynamic if they bring back another primarch like the lion, who would potentially have massive issues with that||
||also guilliman has a moment of pause as he starts to read where he reflects back on his personal condemning of lorgars beliefs way back when, and considers himself partially responsible for lorgar turning traitor, thinking what if he hadn't pushed his brother away like that||
Anyway, enough redacted from me
barren tapir
Thanks for the info, it is an interesting event
primal tide
π
final spruce
isn't this at the same point he realize that the Emperor might truly be a god ?
And that Lorgar might have been half right ? A thought that disgusted him ?
vagrant osprey
The Emperor wasn't a god, but the difference now is academic.
The Emperor has become the thing he hated the most.
And all that he had hoped to stop by eliminating religion is now far worse with him as their god than it had ever been before.
thick shadow
Accept your FATE, the Man-Emperor of Mankind.
vast frigate
Marvel has an exclusive license to produce and print a warhammer comic @gray trellis
gray trellis
oh wow
vast frigate
People feared itd be bad but its pretty damn good so far
gray trellis
oh nice
vast frigate
Nice and grim with readable colors
verbal nest
I have readable colours
vast frigate
Owo
verbal nest
They aren't using stolen assets are they?
verbal nest
There's an absolute tonne of new star wars comics that use ship designs and stuff from fan websites without credit
vast frigate
Thats didney
verbal nest
Consoom
vast frigate
Disney can claim intellectual propperty and ignore it
crisp heath
I hate disney
meager narwhal
I hate them also
crisp heath
We all hate disney
barren tapir
And that Lorgar might have been half right ? A thought that disgusted him ?
What the feth is this?? Guillman starting to think that the emp can be a god?? It is that how they butcher a char???
final spruce
From what i remember it is what's actually going on
barren tapir
(β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
final spruce
This happens after Gulliman meets the Emperor mind you
barren tapir
β¬ββ¬ γ( γ-γγ)
final spruce
When he felt the massive might of the Empror jsut to speak with him
barren tapir
(β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
final spruce
And Gulliman was almost having a stroke after a 30 minute talk
barren tapir
β¬ββ¬ γ( γ-γγ)
final spruce
Gulliman feels like the Emperor, after being on the Throne for 10k years and being prayed as a God, may have become one
barren tapir
Gonna go into the darkness of sadness, there is really no hope in the 41st-42nd millennium for mankind...
final spruce
However, the books implies that Gulliman is heavily speculating
barren tapir
Only a slow death
final spruce
Same book that shown us that Gulliman can be wrong on multiple occasions aswell
So its with a grain of salt that you should consider this
Also, its only 1 author
crisp heath
he's not wrong
the emperor if he was not already a god is on the path to becoming one
he already practically has his own daemon princes already
like Celestine
final spruce
But its a moment that I liked in the book since it showed us that Gulliman was not an extremist like everybody in the Imperium was able to conceed that Lorgar could have been right
barren tapir
He could also have his demons, (legion of the damned) as it is heavily hinted by eldars
barren tapir
But its a moment that I liked in the book since it showed us that Gulliman was not an extremist like everybody in the Imperium was able to conceed that Lorgar could have been right
Guillman has always been quite reasonable, it is the balanced primarch after all... But to concede that emp is a god would kill his char for me...
Guillman also offered shelter to religious people during the great crusade, so he know how much religion can be important to some humans
final spruce
Its litterally a moment when he has a breakdown mind you
barren tapir
It is just that he admit defeat if he too start believeing that religion is a good thing
crisp heath
depending on how much knowledge he has of warp stuff, him being the reasonable boi he is, would prolly put the pieces together
final spruce
And he gets to see him 10k years after being in a coma aka you can't realize how much time has passed
barren tapir
Many primarchs were quite spiritual, like vulkan and the khan, but no one was really religious other than lorgar
thick shadow
Logar is fool
final spruce
Gulliman would definitly notice any changes in the Emperor
crisp heath
as soon as they knew gods were real at least half of them got awful religious real fast
final spruce
Yeah, the knwoledge about Chaos Gods really hit 'em hard
thick shadow
And Magnus is good, but he's... doing it wrong way...
barren tapir
And he gets to see him 10k years after being in a coma aka you can't realize how much time has passed
Guillman realize how much time has passed, IIRC he also show surprise when he discover that even some SoS started worshiping the emp as a god
final spruce
Well you just proved me right
barren tapir
as soon as they knew gods were real at least half of them got awful religious real fast
Not really, Pert despise those entities, fulrgim was possessed, Alpharius didn't show any zeal, angron didn't care, horus was thinking he was doing the right thing
final spruce
He didn't know what transpired in that time and those big changes were sudden to him
barren tapir
Not a single traitor primarch saw the chaos entities as gods other than lorgar the fool
final spruce
Most space marines aren't that zealous about the Emperor being a god anyway
crisp heath
even if indifferent or hateful of them they still chose to serve
barren tapir
Magnus see them as tools when he is the tool
even if indifferent or hateful of them they still chose to serve
They chose to fight for horus, not for those entities
There is a freat difference
thick shadow
Magnus! You arrogant fool!
They SHOULD've linsten their dad
The Big-E
But some of them DIDN'T
So, the heresy happened
final spruce
I don't even know why you'd call Big E a dad
He was jsut a progenitor
Unless you forget Horus, he was a "dad" to nobody
thick shadow
Biologically, he is. And many of Primarchs thought like that, at least it seems.
Anyway, remove Erebus
final spruce
Most fucked up primarchs had bad adoptive fathers tho
vagrant osprey
Isn't that the official Imperium line anyway?
primal tide
hold the line
vast frigate
no the official imperial line is death to the arch traitor and his sons
thick shadow
Send Kriegers
cerulean wagon
man, remember when krieg was a good interesting faction
then we got siege of vraks
and now the kreigers are seen as so incompetent in lore nobody wants to field them
final spruce
And then Krieg was made into Legends
final spruce
They are yes
crisp heath
and people meme less about them being incompetent, moreso about them being really badass and good at shovel fighting
final spruce
They look cool and are interesting
Sadly, recently GW killed the Kriegs on the tabletop side, which may create a loss of popularity
cerulean wagon
the memes are they look cool and want to die and die a lot
previously it was they looked cool, wanted to die and died efficiently
crisp heath
I feel Like they are overused by now. There are countless IG Regiments, but its Always the Same handfull that Shows up
the only difference is the last line
final spruce
You say countless yet games workshop is getting rid of em slowly
cerulean wagon
that last line makes a big difference
they went from an elite fighting force
to
"we drown them under our bodies and take several billion more casualties than needed"
crisp heath
they were always cannon fodder
cerulean wagon
they werent before lol
previously it was just that they didnt fear death, and if they were to die they would take as many people as they could with them
now its "ye lets just walk into our own artillery"
crisp heath
they didn't fear death because they wanted to die for redemption, albeit not in a wasteful manner
but I don't think they've changed from that
crisp heath
also creeping barrages are a real tactic stormtroopers in ww1 used
cerulean wagon
which is where all their memes and shit from vraks comes in
where they walked into minefields to clear them
like actualy stupid shit
final spruce
Creeping barrage is a stratagmen used in tableop by all IG units
crisp heath
I thought the minefield clearing with infantry thing was what that one valhallan commander did
final spruce
All you need is a Vox and you can call a bombardment on your position
cerulean wagon
na its a vraks thing
although valhallan lore is fucked aswell
and ye but theres a difference between that being a last resort zherlum
and what vraks had them doing
which was bombing their own positions as they were moving, cause it meant they could die and all the enemies would be hiding from the arty
crisp heath
stormtroopers irl would shell positions and advance into the shelling, or ideally, right behind it so they could take advantage of the enemy being shocked and suppressed by it
cerulean wagon
the key word there is behind it
muted pewter
is age of sigmar in 40k
cerulean wagon
no
storm jungle
no
muted pewter
oke thx
storm jungle
However keep in mind that the only same characters they got are the special chaos demons who are pretty much multi-use for the settings
celest dome
And even then, the only commont point between them is the name and sometime the origin
storm jungle
and saves them from making new demons
atomic pelican
The chaos gods are nearly the same across settings fhdhd
Except AoS SORT of just because slaanesh gay babyjail
atomic pelican
Kinda
storm jungle
Yeah hence "parts"
atomic pelican
Slaanesh still as bad just more focus on the hedonism part rather than lolrape
storm jungle
lmao
Yeah they toned her down a lot since fantasy
where we had events like "The Rape of Ulthuan" etc
atomic pelican
god
storm jungle
gotta consider the bigger market
atomic pelican
Love when the Elf siblings unbirthed all those elves
final spruce
Why when I come back you guys talk about vore
atomic pelican
Natural progression of slaanesh related convo
storm jungle
final spruce
Understandable
buoyant crypt
atomic pelican
Naughty chaos gods get put into the shadow/light box
primal tide
Let's be honest she is probably loving being put in a multiplanar pillory
thick shadow
β6β Drug, Murder, Sex β6β
gilded pawn
your order of execution may differ
crisp heath
Reject slaanesh, Return to Khaine and Khorne membership.
atomic pelican
Ree all the good tau posting occurs when Im driving
primal tide
Do we know if recaff is bean, or leaf based?
storm jungle
According to 4chan
Since it's called re-caf, which is a reference to the term de-caf, which means de-caffeinated, chances are this term is supposed to mean re-caffeinated, as in at one point this sludge didn't have caffeine in it, implying it's some derivative of a concentrate of a chemical substitute of an imitation of coffee. The way the grimness of the 41st millennium works it's probably not too far fetched to assume that recaf tastes like the stuff they claim to be coffee in the discount bargain section of Lidl or Aldi (or Walmart for Amerifriends we have Aldi too, but what the fuck is Lidl?) and if you'd actually brew a mug of real coffee from real coffee beans in 40k and hand it out to people, a Commissar would home in on your position immediately and execute you for attempting to induce Slaaneshi heresy over these delicious cups of brown liquid.
but also
Some say that recaf is in fact tea. Others consider it an umbrella term that includes tea, coffee, and any other liquid sleep substitute. It is worth noting that some drinks in canon are explicitly referred to as a type of "tea" (such as Tanna). Space Marines drink their tea in fine china cups.
The precise definition of recaf is in fact: "a popular hot beverage, made from crushed and brewed leaves. The composition can vary from planet to planet, but most blends have a stimulant such as caffeine as a basic release agent."
UPDATE: With Early Access to GLADIUS out there, we can see it contains an in-game a resource called Recaf Leaf. A specific and unique plant with orange-brown coloration. So its settled, its neither coffee nor tea, but an infusion or tisane. (You can only make tea if it has tea plant leaves you damn heretics).
Most indepth answer we have lol
atomic pelican
Gladius lore bits are funny
I love the games that include little pieces of fluff for the factions involved
If I remember right, Gladius talks about the fire warrior bonding ritual for example
Which is Neat
One of the reasons I loved TWW so much tbh
storm jungle
Oh hell yeah Gladius actually has really deep lore/plot for each faction.
Its kind of admirable
atomic pelican
It made me enjoy 4th sphere Tau so definitelyf sdfusdhnf
final spruce
Gladius has also made a good bunch of enemies and xenos that only appeared in the bestiary of Rogue trader into 40k
primal tide
@storm jungle thanks for the writeup!
storm jungle
Any time! 4chan can be an information gem sometimes
vagrant osprey
I'm kinda surprised it's not Chicory Root with caffeine added :V
vagrant osprey
It's a pity that Amasec isn't treated consistently.
Is it a word for wine? Whiskey? Vodka? Beer? Yes!
vagrant osprey
Is it something consumed by the elite, something decanted from illicit stills set up next to the engines of ships, or low-grade fermented prison wine? Also yes!
The Witcher does a good job there
storm jungle
Yeah i like that bout it
like the author doesnt give a shit lol
Even uses terms like "reverse psychology" on a feudal setting
vagrant osprey
Nobody cares that Vodka is the diminutive feminine form of the slavic word for water.
storm jungle
Eyyy exactly
vagrant osprey
We just call it vodka.
vagrant osprey
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
storm jungle
I get that some people like the term but its really dumb for me lol
vagrant osprey
Can't say fuck, but CAN have somebody sever the nipple-phalluses off of a nine-breasted horror
storm jungle
^
atomic pelican
Let π them π say π fuck! π π
storm jungle
The best part is its really just for censorship since the UK is pretty sensitive about it apparently
vast frigate
its not really dumb its more that with UK censorship and with a futuristic area, you mix stuff that can and cant be done
storm jungle
Yeah thats the deal
because lets admit it
if we as a species survive for centuries to come
the word "fuck" will always be around
vast frigate
Just like Frack is a switchout for fuck cause Feth exists as well
and frack is lead down from Frag
It has the same end point
atomic pelican
I like to think we'll switch over to wacky over the top insults in the far future
vast frigate
depends
atomic pelican
What the zog man
storm jungle
Zog is the only one i love
vast frigate
the dutch will always use diseases for insults
storm jungle
its so perfect
vast frigate
ZOG is taken down from fok
vast frigate
Not all IG
vast frigate
Its just that high gothic and Cadian is translated as english
storm jungle
Dawn of War one's were really good
vast frigate
METAL BAWKSES
atomic pelican
Not all IG in fluff ik but in most games
storm jungle
also i hate high gothic
vast frigate
high gothic explained is hilarious
storm jungle
especially when its so fucking complicated when you read everything-
YES
Like just say its latin
how hard is that
atomic pelican
Idk how Imperium players handle all their names for things ending in itus or some over the top latinification of english words
Rhdbdbd
vast frigate
If we look at what we have now, we will end up with a moshpit of Russian, Mandarin Chinese, English and Arabian
But in the 40k universe latin was resurgent as a known language due to the emperor snuffing out religion and many people logging religion to know what NOT to do again
so latin books were included
storm jungle
Its not latin tho
its a resurgence of latin combined with dominant languages
What idiot came up with this
MALCADOR WAS IT YOU
vast frigate
Right so
storm jungle
YOU ASHEN FUCK
vast frigate
as what i said before
If we look at what we have now, we will end up with a moshpit of Russian, Mandarin Chinese, English and Arabian
quoting myself feels fucking horrible
But our own future will hold a possible mix of those languages]
primal tide
Idk how Imperium players handle all their names for things ending in itus or some over the top latinification of english words
The beauty is it's easily adapted to existing names
Stevenius
Waluigius
Master Chieftian
vast frigate
Now the wikis and some books state its SPECIFICALLY latin and JUST latin because thats what the emperor spoke to show he knew of the liars ways of the churces
But
It literally CANT be
atomic pelican
High lord master chieftian
vast frigate
Chieftainius
Gotta take a piss in the Latrinius
Brb gonna grab a snack from the Fridius
primal tide
Gotta take a dumpus maximus
vast frigate
holdon gotta cook on the Stoveius
storm jungle
im dying holy shit
primal tide
Nephew delet this
primal tide
Fr tho I burst out laughing in the first mention of the country of "merica" in one of the first horus heresy books
Like really lmao
And Franc
storm jungle
I know right
like they werent even trying and ill be honest i dont have the courage to remove some of the names
They're just too good lol
primal tide
Meanwhile some names are just completely unchanged like brasil and mesopotamia lol
atomic pelican
The emperor goes to brasil
primal tide
Yndonesic block
crisp heath
lets learn latin so as not to repeat the mistakes of the religious in the past
primal tide
"I am not a god" - a god
crisp heath
repeats the medieval catholic thing of only the upper class knowing how to speak the proper important language
Big E had major impostor syndrome
primal tide
Big mood honestly
primal tide
Also mood, as a fellow doodoobrain
muted pewter
are fallen chaos? i saw their color scheme and didnt look like chaotic disfigured dudes
are they some sort of non-chaos traitors
echo phoenix
are fallen chaos? i saw their color scheme and didnt look like chaotic disfigured dudes
@muted pewter If you are referring to the fallen from the Dark Angels then... 'Yes and no'... Initially they were renegades but that all too often leads to chaos. Many have turned to chaos, but some are still renegades / pirates ./ independent warlords (or so they think).
Not all chaos marines are completely disfigured (or blessed depending on how you look at it). Nurgles Plague marines are by far the worst and those that are blessed with mutations and even possession look a little more on the disgusting side. A lot just look like space marines with more edgy armour and some added blood lust. Alpha legion is a pretty good example, in some images they look quite clean non-chaosy. The reason being is they didn't retreat into the eye of terror so the warp has had a lesser effect on them.
final spruce
Biggest example of non-mutated are the Iron Warriors if you forego the Obliterators
Especially when the Iron Warriors tend to cut any mutations that happens to them
echo phoenix
Yeh just don't look at how they make more chaos marines... demonculaba... ew.
final spruce
That's one way yes, but IRon Warriors shun mutations
echo phoenix
Here's a good example of Alpha legion looking very non-chaosy.
buoyant crypt
idk huge fat demon chicks giving birth has always been a thing though
why everyone soo "oo aaa demonculaba"
you ever seen an imp mother
echo phoenix
over-reacting to my alleged overreaction. Ok cool. Whatever makes you happy.
buoyant crypt
IT DOES MAKE ME HAPPY
echo phoenix
I'm very glad
buoyant crypt
SO IMP MOTHERS
final spruce
Degenerate
barren tapir
High gothic is shown as englished latin, that is what GW said about it... It the setting it was the common language of mankind, it was not an elitist language spoken only by noble and high society... There are also difference in high gothic in 30K and 40K settings, in 30k high gothic is spoken more frequently, in 40k high gothic has become more sparse also with a lot of religius significance because of the ministrorum... The difference between high gothic and low gothic is quite simple, the first should be the general language of the imperium, the low gothic is the specific language of a world
odd sparrow
yea. High Gothic is a single vaguely latin-ish language spoken throughout the Imperium by the aristocracy/whatever, low gothic is a blanket term for every single other language in the Imperium
obv in practice it's an english sci fi thing so the entire universe speaks in english but
barren tapir
It is also explained that most of the low gothic languages are descended by the high gothic, but during the long night each world developed their unique language since they hadn't wasy to communicate with eachother maintaining the high gothic in its original form
The lore about those two languages is really interesting TBH, of course you have to go beyond the hurr durr english and latin had a baby stuff
odd sparrow
The Imperium is ridiculously stupidly vast and not culturally homogenous in the slightest, it does obvs stand to reason that different worlds would have several of their own languages
heck by all rights that should've happened pre AoS too
vagrant osprey
In the DAoT they had technology that countered that effect as a consequence of it's use.
Kinda like how the internet is propagating English and converging dialects.
toxic scroll
whats the symbol of the death korps?
gray trellis
i did a quick research, and so far, is a skull with wings, and a german black cross
i could be wrong
vagrant osprey
Funny how the million worlds of the Imperium can't manage to get up to four digit regiment numbers :V
crisp heath
due to a munitorum accounting error, once they reach 999 they start back from 001 when logging the creation of a new regiment
:^)
cerulean wagon
@vagrant osprey thats cause the numbering is per planet
256 isnt the number for kreig
thats just the 256th regiment of kreig
@toxic scroll idk if that helps your question at all either
storm jungle
Actually thats a great point
ive never seen a regiment of I.G in 40k with 4 digits lol
cerulean wagon
they do exist its just never realy covered because why would one world need to raise 1000 regiments
storm jungle
Plotβ’οΈ
cerulean wagon
clonning accident
cerulean wagon
the other reason tho
storm jungle
You sound much more badass as the 10th or 1st regiment while you can imagine a 2013th regiment to be like "I cant believe we are this low on the list"
cerulean wagon
is if a regiment is wiped out
their regimental numbers are decommissioned and reused
Ciaphas cain covers it briefly when they merge the 2 regiments into the 512th
storm jungle
Yeaaah, thats brought up in the IG codex as well
cerulean wagon
or w/e
storm jungle
Or while in the case of Cadians they apparently bang each other during trips to other warzones in warships to make more Cadian babies lol
cerulean wagon
lol
barren tapir
Or while in the case of Cadians they apparently bang each other during trips to ...
This exactly how new recruits for some regiments are made
final spruce
Well yeah that's how it happens
barren tapir
They will be support personel until they reach the right age, then they became fully guardsman... Unless dire situations require them to be sent to the front as whiteshield
cerulean wagon
indeed
when a mummu human and a daddy human realy love eachother
they hold hands
children then grow up and get jobs eventualy
its just like real life
barren tapir
On Cadia (which still stand) they were actually encouraged to... Well... Have fun, yeah, let's call it that way
rotund siren
final spruce
And its even worse with temepstus Scions
That are mroe than encouraged to create relationships with their teammates, which also nicludes marrying
crisp heath
Who was the strongest force during the end times?
loud forge
Hey guys. So I am really versed in Warhammer lore, but not 40k... Where is a good jumping off point? Where can I start to really start getting into 40k?
That may be a huge question... But I gotta start somewhere
crisp heath
Kek
I read alot more of end times
And god damn did the skaven do more chaos than chaos
There's alot of rape themes in warhammer too
It's weird
final spruce
The Horus Heresy
storm jungle
God no
crisp heath
Especially the dark elves and slaaneshi
Luckily skavenblight obliterated everything
I feel like there's no way the cadians and kriegers wouldn't have eventually reached 4 digits worth of active regiments at one time
Skrolk was too stinky to die
And decided he should live when he died
And queek went to warlord heaven
Did the skaven, Chaos warriors, And non elves rape?
Or was it just the elves
storm jungle
Its reality
everyone rapes someone lol
@loud forge Im not an expert so take this with a grain of salt as my guide so feel free to ignore it.
But firstly learn the general rules of the universe through 4chan's main page on Warhammer 40k
Try to learn basically what all the factions are at the moment
Either choose one you like and focus on their part of the lore then jump to their books OR stand at middle point and try to like most of the factions that are interesting to you.
Starting 40k is a REALLY big step if you find the universe interesting
And theres like 30+ years of lore behind everything, some retconned and forgotten and some still around
So this isnt fortunately an easy task if you fall into the hole that is this messy narrative
storm jungle
I wouldnt exactly suggest using the 40k wiki either, its not a bad site but you eventually learn that its a lot of nonsense that is copy pasted straight from rulebooks with some paragraphs basically repeating each other.
Stick to lexicanum for simple summaries and 4chan for a more detailed but memey experience by the fans
storm jungle
Yeah sorry for the text dump but we all have to start somewhere lol
Best of luck buddy
final spruce
Asking some tidbits around here is also doable
cerulean wagon
@loud forge my recommendation for getting into 40k if u want some good books
is either Ciaphas Cain or Eisenhorn
they are very good books and great entry points
cerulean wagon
they are like
crisp heath
last chancers is cool too
verbal nest
Not really
cerulean wagon
ciaphas has a nice touch of comedy too it
verbal nest
I read all of Horus Rising before I knew a damn thing about Warhammer at all, great entry book for me
crisp heath
I don't see how it can hurt to immediately get immersed in one of the stories without necessarily knowing everything about the setting
storm jungle
Like i said before
Im not an expert so take this with a grain of salt as my guide so feel free to ignore it.
My take, nothing else lol
cerulean wagon
because some people find it jarring
40k is a weird setting and picking a book and going in blind can be weird
storm jungle
Yeah thats kind of what i was implying
If i was reading ciaphas cain as a first-goer id be questioning way too many things
but thats me since im not a smart person
cerulean wagon
my first book was also horus rising
but i got into it through DoW
and wouldnt suggest HR as a first book because it can be a confusing mess trying to visualize it all
crisp heath
if someone needs a quick rundown before they can start into the setting, the first few episodes of text to speech are pretty good at that
they're memey but they give an okayyish general picture
storm jungle
I think the emperor explaining the entire setting episode is the best
A 2 Parter with lots of memes and mostly accurate lore
loud forge
Thanks @cerulean wagon
cerulean wagon
not a problem
loud forge
When does Darktide take place in the 40k timeline? Like what events are going down?
I wanna read some backstory on this time frame the game is set in, if we know of course.
atomic pelican
Assuming its set in the 'current day' of lore uhh, ciatrix maledictum, necron dynasties starting to become more active
final spruce
We don't know yet
final spruce
The presence of an Ogryn with heresy tech however disturbs me
I hope its just creator liberty
storm jungle
Yeah 40k is usually set in well.. the 40th millennium.
The plot advancements happened recently but back then the setting was pretty much in limbo and nothing too big was happening aside from minor events here and there
atomic pelican
I think we are now in the 42nd millenium aren't we? Or 41st?
storm jungle
Theres a war within the inquisition about that so nobody knows lol
the 41st however is referenced a lot so most likely yes
atomic pelican
Dhshd
primal tide
Yeah, the reality is that while the actual time isn't certain, the referenced time is just shy of the 42nd millennium now
atomic pelican
I wonder if anyones made a updated war fronts map of the galaxy
final spruce
There is
atomic pelican
π
final spruce
I'm too lazy to go search it however
atomic pelican
Dbshd its oki
final spruce
Dunno if tis up to date
storm jungle
holy shit MY EYES
vagrant osprey
That's probably the easiest to read 40k map you'll find.
toxic scroll
i beg to differ
atomic pelican
It'd probs be easier for me to read If I was familiar with more than 1 factions recent lore fhdbdd
Me like, scanning for the Nem'yar π
toxic scroll
i made the easiest 40k map
atomic pelican
You know, funny thought
Gue'Vesa outnumber Tau in population but have very little fluff recognitipn
Sad
Probably sincs fluffwise they are kept away from war fronts generally but oof
At least I'd think so, considering captured hive worlds
final spruce
I mean
People expect war maps to be easily readable in a setting where there is ONLY WAR
primal tide
There is only war, not even maps
supple palm
too much war for the maps
verbal nest
Do you guys think Gulliman will force an alliance with the Eldar
primal tide
Nope
verbal nest
Why
primal tide
Because they can't be trusted
verbal nest
Haven't they teamed up with the imperium before on certain missions?
primal tide
Yes, but to restate: they, on the whole, cannot be trusted
cerulean wagon
theres a temporary truce with a specific sect atm
the eldar associated with the new god of death
verbal nest
Sugar Khaine?
primal tide
Theoretical: the eldar have provided mutually beneficial aid but they are flighty and their aims unknown
Practical: they cannot be trusted
verbal nest
Also the Eldar use what the humans consider to be DAoT tech don't they
barren tapir
The imperium has a lot of alliances with eldars, a navigator house, a sect of the inquisition, now guillman, temporary alliances on the battlefield... But an alliance with all eldars is not possible exactly because they canot be trusted, like the imperium at large cannot be trusted
storm jungle
i would say i would never see a human use it but that new bald and forgettable inquisitor has a shuriken pistol
with a purity seal and everything lol
crisp heath
as long as you slap a purity seal on it you can just tell people it's archaeotech :^)
storm jungle
^
barren tapir
Also the Eldar use what the humans consider to be DAoT tech don't they
It is xeno tech, maybe dating back to the human Age of Tech, but still xeno
storm jungle
But yeah an eldar alliance is really far fetched for the most part. Way too many craftworlds to unify with their own agendas
At best you cold only get a small sect to join your cause, and we saw what happened to the Ynnari lol
storm jungle
especially when its made from spooky-bone
cerulean wagon
holo fields especialy are high value
verbal nest
Imagine there's a planet out there that's basically DAoT Terra but they're super hostile to the actual imperium
Or a system
Doesn't have to be a planet
storm jungle
Its important to DAoT is just a plot device event
cerulean wagon
it probably exists in lore somewhere
storm jungle
solely existing so mcguffins can be created in the stories
verbal nest
I hate that Warhammer lore is so bullshit
barren tapir
holo fields especialy are high value
Yup, and it would be a shame if someone managed to reverse engineer them... Not that someone managed to do that of course, not even hinted of course...
verbal nest
And when you thought they couldn't fall anymore, they fell through even more ground into some Warhammer fans dirty fucking basement
barren tapir
Imagine there's a planet out there that's basically DAoT Terra but they're super...
There was? There are? For sure there may be independet human civilizations, sadly the imperium has the bad habit of destroy them
verbal nest
Smh
Explain this to me, why wouldn't the emperor's palace on Terra have an STC (a traditional STC) in there
storm jungle
What do you mean?
cerulean wagon
because war zone terra
storm jungle
Like have some quirky tech defenses?
barren tapir
The last one independet civ that got destroyed as far as i know is adrantis five... Old source, so it may be retconnected, but it is linked to macharius sooo
verbal nest
Wasn't the palace untouched for like...a zillion years
storm jungle
No?
verbal nest
Hmm
storm jungle
The palace is always maintained by thousands of people
But of course they are always neglected locations
and rooms that have gathered dust that reach your knees
barren tapir
The palace was built after he managed to get terra under his control
storm jungle
^
verbal nest
and rooms that have gathered dust that reach your knees
People with asthma are literally dying reading that
storm jungle
Its okay we can get some rebreathers
barren tapir
And i think that there were hardly STC in the hymalaya
storm jungle
and yeah even bolters arent Big E's invention
back when Terra was Mad Max STC fragments at least were almost everywhere
its why the unification wars were a bit of a grind for him
aka these cyborg conan-jerks constantly pulling OP weapons out of nowhere
barren tapir
Bolters are big E invention aren't them?
atomic pelican
Pretty sure most imperial tech is just old STC's remade
storm jungle
^
verbal nest
"my mega powerful warp sword double bladed ultimate edition will be the doom of you"
"You and 9 other people have that same weapon"
storm jungle
Yeee
atomic pelican
Join the earth caste, only real scientists left in the galaxy!(except maybe eldar)
sdfhjn
cerulean wagon
just they kinda got unified into a working system
barren tapir
Pretty sure most imperial tech is just old STC's remade
Well, if it is not an STC then it is heresy... And we aren't heretic right?
storm jungle
I mean to be fair
verbal nest
No heresy here sir
atomic pelican
sdfdhn
storm jungle
the entirety of the imperium is committing heresy by going against Big E's stance on religion lol
so fuck it
verbal nest
But that wouldn't be heresy then would it
storm jungle
Yeah probably treason
barren tapir
Join the earth caste, only real scientists left in the galaxy!(except maybe elda...
Necrons, not even eldar have scientists... Warp fuckery is what they use
verbal nest
Coz heresy doesn't exist until empy died
storm jungle
something that isnt tied to religion but is traitorous
atomic pelican
Ehh I'd consider the Eldar's psyker tech to still be engineering/science
verbal nest
It's treason then
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Tau couldn't figure it out because no psychic potential, when trying to dissect webway gates
storm jungle
Funny since even Big E had an order 66 lol
verbal nest
970Β° Sheev outta nowhere
barren tapir
Heresy and treason is the same in the 41 millennium, also it would have been tech heresy, and that was present even before big E got bonked
atomic pelican
Surprise Sheev
verbal nest
Funny since even Big E had an order 66 lol
It probably wasn't as sad tho
storm jungle
It kind of was
verbal nest
No
storm jungle
it happened twice lol
verbal nest
Stfu
storm jungle
you stfu
atomic pelican
Speaking of Eldar/Imperium relations
Didn't ELdrad try to warn of the Horus heresy?
barren tapir
The SW fan got hurt deep
barren tapir
Didn't ELdrad try to warn of the Horus heresy?
Yes, but he tried to warn the already corrupted people
storm jungle
but yeah it was putting the thunder warriors down the first time, the second was when they gathered years later to attack the Imperial palace before Chadtodian Valdor revealed the first Marines to murder the Thunder Warriors again
barren tapir
Smart eldar my ass
verbal nest
Me and the boys storming Fatshark HQ
https://c.tenor.com/Kr7ZiVLZSMoAAAAM/star-wars.gif
storm jungle
something along the lines of how they should be honored they are the astartes first live combat practice
lol
barren tapir
Lol, good luck, they have the true empire by their side
verbal nest
fwor kwarl fwanz, and bwuddy swigmwar, NYAA
atomic pelican
noo catboy markus
barren tapir
BY MYRMIDIA!
verbal nest
BLACK ONES
storm jungle
JUDGEMENT IS COMING, STORMVERMIN
verbal nest
Everytike markus says that I have to say "that's racist, Kruber" in the mic
atomic pelican
"Thanks for drilling my lads, Kruber" has become a large meme amongst my playing group
atomic pelican
My goober friends p much sudhnfduhn
storm jungle
they actually added new lohner lines for once
now hes teasing people about drachenfels
and they are like SHUT THE FUCK UP OLD MAN
verbal nest
"how was cata nurgloth you fucking sweaty cunts"
verbal nest
Apparently Machine Gun Bardin can knock off a quarter of his health within seconds on cata
So i heard
atomic pelican
Listen here buddy
verbal nest
I don't understand his ult
storm jungle
Its not that confusing
he starts out with a full bar, the more you use the minigun the more it goes away
you need to crank the gun repeatedly to fill it up for another go
verbal nest
And the minigun, what it do
atomic pelican
it shoot
verbal nest
Yeah but like
gray trellis
hi
verbal nest
Armour pen?
atomic pelican
Not by default but there's a talent that changes it to a tribarrel with AP
gray trellis
so, whats todays topic?
verbal nest
I'll just buy it when it comes to Xbox, it's only gonna be like Β£3
atomic pelican
Today's topic: Simping in the Imperium. Heresy or imperial truth?
this is your assigned homework.
verbal nest
Depends what kind of singing
verbal nest
Black metal throat gurgling? Nah that's imperial truth chief
atomic pelican
and he is their egirl
primal tide
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/RfYMFqvMR2C4JA9e.jpg
I simp sangys thighs
gray trellis
imperial truth
storm jungle
^
verbal nest
That's a massive spear ngl
gray trellis
that more you are willing to die for the emperor and the imperium, the better
primal tide
That's a massive spear ngl
uwu
primal tide
Me omw to smack your heresy ass
uwu
atomic pelican
primal tide
FR tho that picture is sweet as hell
The blood drop spear is awesome
It was featured on a wh community post about the flaw this morning
verbal nest
storm jungle
Way ahead of you
Already painting out the stupid warhammer community logo to make the picture better π
toxic scroll
Blood Angels are the bat shit crazy ones and the blood ravens are the kleptomaniacs right?
I keep confusing the 2
storm jungle
Yeah thats normal
theres a lot of chapters with "Blood" as their title. But Blood Angels arent crazy unless they fall into the Black Rage, a good chunk of their successor chapters are however pretty nuts
With names like Flesh Tearers, Flesh Eaters, Blood Drinkers, etc
atomic pelican
Meat Beaters
toxic scroll
Meat beaters sounds like a highschool boy band
thick shadow
Where the Soul Drinkers belongs to?
light locust
who else hype for the twisted and twilight expansion for warhammer
thick shadow
What the hell happened to them? Last time what I heard is that they had a soul absorbing spear, but some dumb ass tech fools of mars or whatevers broke it, they mad, they "fuck this place, we out!", and they became a renegade chapter, still aginst chaos, just not with the Imperium anymore.
storm jungle
@light locust I'd have bought it already if it was for pre-order right after the trailer lol
vagrant osprey
Bolters are big E invention aren't them?
Bolter ROUNDS come from STCs. Big E created the bolters that fire them.
(I count that as yet more evidence that they are actually supposed to be railgun rounds)
crisp heath
is it possible big e helped make some of the stcs?
vagrant osprey
It's extremely unlikely, though
He's a biological supremacist who specifically hates AI.
odd sparrow
Aren't STCs themselves meant to be extremely advanced blueprints? Which can have just like, anything on them
don't need to understand how it works or how to make it u just need an STC
storm jungle
So according to the sources
The Standard Template Construct (STC) systems were complex analytical and processing programs, artificial intelligences, created during the Dark Age of Technology (M21 - M23)
Basically any sort of data or device i think
crisp heath
did he always hate ai? I feel like if he does, it's because of the men of iron
primal tide
its just an iphone with napkin pictures
vagrant osprey
The term "STC" is ambiguous. It refers both to the AI (Standard Template Constructors) that created STCs (Standard Template Constructs), and to libraries of STCs
Big E is a huge hypocrite, Huff
He demonized all forms of machine intelligence or machine-based automation, while at the same time using it extensively.
prime tide
You know what I think is cool
Steel Confessors
From what I understand, they're the adeptus mechanics's privatized space marine chapter
crisp heath
I think Empy probably thought
prime tide
And they beleive in the omnissiah and shit, somehow they think Big E is a prophet of the Omnissiah
crisp heath
he was the only one who could handle messing around with that stuff
vagrant osprey
Oh, no. We KNOW what he was thinking.
Big E thought machines were an evolutionary dead-end on Humanity's path to being a species like the Eldar, where all members were psykers but they could wield their powers more or less without mishap.
The Primarch project was intended as proof-of-concept for a 'new humanity'
Humans are a species driven to invention and improvement. He demonized machines and AI because he wanted to not give people the choice of using a machine as a tool.
crisp heath
but he was still okay with using machinery to achieve his goals, and allowed others to use machinery in assistance to him, him disallowing just ai specifically for others but still using them for his own personal projects sounds like he thought only he could get away with messing around with them
no doubt the mechanical was a dead end, but it's not like he didn't
regularly employ dead ends anyways
like thunder warriors and astartes
vagrant osprey
Ah, no, it's because he considered himself to be beyond the concept of improvement, and very much believed the ends justified the means.
He cared about humanity. As a concept.
He regarded the entirety of humanity the way you or I would regard a dog or a cat.
gray trellis
im bored, someone got a cool fun fact or interesting lore stuff?
vagrant osprey
Salamanders go home to their families for Sanguinalia, if their duties permit.
gray trellis
interesting
prime tide
i didnt know space marines could have children
vagrant osprey
They can't.
But their birth-siblings can.
Astartes can live for many, many centuries; they're encouraged to build ties to their family line.
storm jungle
Salamanders are just great
celest dome
Unless you are an Eldar
final spruce
Fun fact, most space wolves likely one of the only space marines that are not virgins
verbal nest
Thats coz they're furries
final spruce
No, you lore ignorant, its because space wolves are recruited far later in their life than other Astartes, while for most, training begins at 6 y old, space wolves like to recruit people between 12-16 depending of any feats of strenght, courage and other merits they may have achieved
Which also means that Spaces Wolves are also way mroe in touch with their human sides compared to other amrines since they grew up as one
Being far mroe familiar with the normal feelings of humans
cerulean wagon
uhhh
still wrong btw
cause if that was right that would actualy be illegal for GW to sell as lore
please actualy check before you say space wolves are getting it on under the age of 12 
The real reason is more stupid than that
final spruce
They changed the lore again ?
cerulean wagon
they have their own super special alcoholic mix that bypasses their biological changes
so they can get drunk n shit
the lore never would have been that cause that straight up illegal in the uk lol
GW would have got so much shit
final spruce
Because in 5th edition space wolves codexes, it said that the space wolves were recruited in their teens, far older than any other chapters would have recruited
cerulean wagon
thats still not how they arent virgins
they arent virgins because dumb alcohol concoctions
that is unique to Space wolves for some reason
storm jungle
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
cerulean wagon
dude you literaly said
"its cause they are recruited later in life, between 12 and 16"
cerulean wagon
No, you lore ignorant, its because space wolves are recruited far later in their...
this message right here officer
final spruce
That's why I used likely
But, in a realisitic wolrd, people under 18 do have the bees and flower
Especially when you have no Ted talk
storm jungle
Having read the old af Space Wolf novel i can kinda confirm Wolf Priests take kids in their teens
That novel is old as hell but still the most indepth it goes into Space Wolf recruitment
final spruce
In some novels they even take em as young adults around 20
storm jungle
Yeah but basically they know about killing and other things, even the protagonist of the book aka Ragnar almost scores a chick
cerulean wagon
they do but GW wouldnt push that as their lore cause, as stated, literaly illegal in the UK
