#40k-lore-chat
daring creek
storm jungle
hollow lantern
Why do the classes not just go up for pre order?
storm jungle
Oh that i legit dont know lol, we arent a part of that process
hollow lantern
Alright, ty anyway
hollow lantern
Uhhhh you should be able to
I'm trying to remember if I have or not cause most of the time I buy fat boy deluxe editions
So I get it anyway
storm jungle
i legit cant remember if you can ever pre-order DLC
arctic talon
nvm you can pre order dlc
storm jungle
damn it
arctic talon
that is literally a big ass game titled as a DLC
Monster hunter Wilds DLC soon
I will be pre ordering it
storm jungle
Monster hunter Wilds DLC soon
Furry Hunter Wilds*
arctic talon
Furry Hunter Wilds*
slander
hollow lantern
Tbh I'd simply pre order DT classes
daring creek
truth
hollow lantern
Idm throwing money at FS games
daring creek
I did
storm jungle
💀
daring creek
I'm looking forward to like. new weapons, voicelines..all that nice stuff....but man its gonna be annoying lmfao.
People are already annoying about it in gen
surreal nest
Monster hunter Wilds DLC soon
Liar or truther?
arctic talon
Liar or truther?
Announcement is prolly at Summer gamescon
or at the like
state of play
One of those 2
surreal nest
arctic talon
considering the pattern with Iceborne and sunbreak
surreal nest
Been enjoying the game again with gunlance
hollow lantern
Tbh I'm not excited for drop skitarii lines but
In like a year?
That'll be good
arctic talon
Tbh
daring creek
Monster hunter
How the hell is it anime
daring creek
at best its furry slop
arctic talon
???????
storm jungle
How the hell is it anime
🇯🇵
arctic talon
arctic talon
doesnt it have furries?
I do not consider the literal cats walking on 2 legs to be furries bcs they're literally just cats
hollow lantern
Elite
storm jungle
I do not consider the literal cats walking on 2 legs to be furries bcs they're l...
khajit excuse
arctic talon
hollow lantern
Do skitarii have naming conventions?
hollow lantern
Palicos are fun tbh
arctic talon
Name + desgnation + number is most common
Or designation + name + number
or Name + number
or designation + number
hollow lantern
arctic talon
Rarely we get just a name
storm jungle
What are they
hollow lantern
Rarely we get just a name
Would Sigma Alpha Primes get just a name cause they're cool people or
arctic talon
Would Sigma Alpha Primes get just a name cause they're cool people or
Yes
hollow lantern
Tell me about Jekri
arctic talon
Also some of them literally have normal names
hollow lantern
I didn't think former skitarii existed
daring creek
How much free thought to skittys possess
storm jungle
Depends on the forgeworld
hollow lantern
Also some of them literally have normal names
So you mean to tell me John Skitarii is real
arctic talon
Yes
dapper gyro
Yes
arctic talon
John Skitarii is possible
hollow lantern
Nice
dapper gyro
Skitarii are not servitors.
arctic talon
https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-palico-pet-cute-gif-2...
https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-palico-palico-mh-gif-11436515167386947176
hollow lantern
Alright, I'll go find a good word for a name ig
arctic talon
They're sentient and sapient though rarely can be directly puppeted
storm jungle
also speaking of
arctic talon
When they need to be "guided"
storm jungle
me and my friend rabs were searching for more instances of Alpha Primus skitarii
theres surprisingly a bit more lol
Day of Ascension was a surprise
daring creek
However, that also means that they know fear.
Really looking forward to their lines then
hollow lantern
Nah I like making names
I normally pick referential names
My scum is Jacket, for instance
odd tulip
@vagrant osprey Behold, a lore chat!
celest dome
Yeah The Omissiah Provide
prime kernel
odd tulip
Omnissiah, Hedge, same difference really.
celest dome
Hedge is the Fabricator General
odd tulip
Flesh is weaaaaaak
celest dome
Bardin is the Omnissiah
eternal orchid
LLLLOOOOORRRREEEE
celest dome
So what is the first Lore question/debate
odd tulip
On today's episode of "The Darktide discord argues about fluff" we ask "Who really is the machine god"?
odd tulip
Yes, but nobody knows what they actually look like
thick shadow
odd tulip
they've been mentioned but never shown
celest dome
Felinid are canon but we actually don't know what they look like
odd tulip
And don't get excited, they probably look a little more furry than you're comfortable with
prime kernel
also the omnissiah is a ctan star god
thick shadow
So, before GW doing something. Enjoy the cat girls in grimdark world
prime kernel
called the dragon which the emperor suckerpunched to mars
celest dome
thick shadow
Anything can be a true... for now
crisp heath
Да Блин, хотя бы у чатов оповещение настраивайте.
odd tulip
I think the Machine God is its own warp entity. No way all those forge worlders could worship something so long without it popping into being in the warp.
prime kernel
oh oh i have another one
thick shadow
Well, that makes sense
prime kernel
what would krieg do if the emperor told them they are forgiven
odd tulip
Be so happy that they continue to die for the Emperor, usually
tawdry walrus
goddamnit, not even 5 minutes into the creation of lore channel we get felinids
prime kernel
celest dome
Hey the Emperor Provide @tawdry walrus
tawdry walrus
The Emperor provides reasons to kill, the Munitorium and Cult Mechanicum provide the means
prime kernel
and krieg is just krieg
celest dome
The Mechanicus provide the mean
prime kernel
then again krieg couldnt exist without tech heresey
tawdry walrus
Let´s discuss why Magnus did nothing wrong and why anyone who thinks that is a heretic instead
celest dome
Munitorum just bring it where it it needed
prime kernel
@tawdry walrus magnus is a fuckup we all know this.
celest dome
Magnus did nothing wrong but Leman Russ F* up
tawdry walrus
yes inquisitor, name checks out
celest dome
F**** Erebus
tawdry walrus
on that we agree
prime kernel
amen
thick shadow
All problem starts from some foul thing that named "Erebus"
tawdry walrus
so what´s Cypher up to lately?
prime kernel
also perturabo is an idiot
tawdry walrus
pettyrabo
celest dome
Doing Cypher thing, who know
prime kernel
@tawdry walrus making the biggest party planet ever
celest dome
Doing Pranks on Mars
tawdry walrus
i´m curious on what is gonna happen now that void dragon shard is a thing
prime kernel
i mean the necrons will get mighty pissed
celest dome
Well the VD is still supposedly still whole, like it's not in a crazed state (didn't corrupt Mars) it's not imprissoned (other it would be out already)
It's either sleeping or it's planning something necrony
prime kernel
dont you mean ctany
celest dome
Meh same
tawdry walrus
referring to this
celest dome
Meh I am already something they hate (Dark Mechanicum)
prime kernel
just stop making penis robots.
celest dome
Hey I am not in the techno-fiddler demongraphic
prime kernel
yes he got the reffrence
celest dome
I think everyone here know TTS by heart (Only one as we are not SM, or maybe more but i can't attest on those heart belonging to me)
crisp heath
Emperor did nothing wrong
celest dome
The Emperor did pretty much everything wrong
tawdry walrus
now that is some extra heresy right there
barren tapir
also he should have made them a mother
They have a "mother"
celest dome
Or do what Malcador sudgested and make half female
prime kernel
a tube does not fall under a mother
crisp heath
yes they had a "mother"
tawdry walrus
"no grills allowed" - Emoney
barren tapir
But big e and her diverged on how to grow them up
celest dome
The Mother is a new part of the Lore Erda (iirc)
crisp heath
and it wasn't a tube
celest dome
Well the Tube part is still right
prime kernel
tubeeverest to be specific
barren tapir
Well, they still gestated in a tube, but they had a genetic mother
celest dome
It's just that they needed Ovule from another Perpetual (Erda) to go with the Emps
tawdry walrus
Massive spoilers: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Erda
barren tapir
It is a lot more complicated, like everything else in warhammer
celest dome
And she is the one that scatter the Prim
tawdry walrus
also even more spoilers https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Amar_Astarte
prime kernel
I do kinda feel bad for magnus though
celest dome
I feel bad for most Primarch (Loyal or not)
prime kernel
rowboat girly man had a good uprbringing atleast
barren tapir
And BTW Perturabo is not stupid... In fact he could be the most intelligent one
celest dome
As Kharn, Hawkboi, Prettyboi, Dorn and a few other
prime kernel
and then theirs lorgar
tawdry walrus
yes but you cannot talk about lorgar without saying "fuck erebus"
Kharn? what does he have to do with discussing primarchs
you mean Angry Ron?
prime kernel
i mean theirs also the guy who becomes nurgels favorite
celest dome
We already covered that just before
prime kernel
whatever his name is
celest dome
Morti
prime kernel
yeha
celest dome
Mortarion
prime kernel
that guy landed on a shit planet
celest dome
Yeah and he was one of the few that was activelly trying to make it better
prime kernel
well if their is one guy who went down the deep end its the one and onlu night haunter
konrad kurze
the man who made it rain blood chunks to get a plent to surrender
celest dome
Yeah Kurze was not right in his head
prime kernel
planet *
celest dome
But he is based on Batman, and Batman is not a good entity
prime kernel
fair enough
btw i must say my favorite faction will always be the adeptus mechanicus
celest dome
Punching mentaly sick people is not how you make thing better
buoyant crypt
sororitas
celest dome
Mechanicus are the best
buoyant crypt
#1
celest dome
Not the Ork ? @buoyant crypt
buoyant crypt
outside of the imperium ofcourse
prime kernel
what the botlter nuns
barren tapir
Astra Militarum, the true heroes of the imperium
prime kernel
i just know to stay away from them when the red rage begins
buoyant crypt
well it might be between sororitas and assassinorum or whatever you call it
prime kernel
the assassinorum ?
celest dome
The Imperial Guard
buoyant crypt
sororitas is big poggy woggy
prime kernel
those guys are kinda eh
celest dome
Eversor are funny
prime kernel
fair
celest dome
An assassin who just ruch in and slay everyone (allied and enemy)
celest dome
Only of Slaanesh
prime kernel
everytime i hear an eldar speak of how mighty and better they are.
i just say one word.
slaanesh
that shuts em up
fervent mist
just ask why they are almost extinct
and why orkz are better then them in the war of heaven
prime kernel
orks cheat
fervent mist
orkz are da bestes
rough charm
lore
vagrant osprey
Eldar are just salty as fuck because way back when the Federation met them, and extended to them an offer of aid to help their empire in decay. When the Eldar were at the height of their power.
rough charm
ive done lore chat
vagrant osprey
They never got over that insult.
fervent mist
the same creator of the eldar
fervent mist
thats why they are better
celest dome
The Old Ones did not create the Eldar
fervent mist
werent the eldar another weapon of the old ones to fight the ctan
prime kernel
orks where a shitty panic button
vagrant osprey
@prime kernel There's no official name for pre-Old Night humanity, but as described it was basically Star Trek. So I call it the Federation.
prime kernel
which blew up in your own face.
barren tapir
I call the human empire before the age of strife "the federation" too, it is a nice name
Both orks and eldar were weapons of the old ones
celest dome
The Imperium (Formelly The Empire)
fervent mist
no u
celest dome
Well the Orks are better at what they were designed for, WARS
barren tapir
While the orks were developed to fight and never fear death the eldar were the psychic weapons that was extremely powerful aganist the necrontyr
fervent mist
i think the orkz were for the necron legions while the eldar fought more against the ctan bc its stronger than trowing a bunch of bodies against them i guess
celest dome
Well the Krorks were also psychic weappon (Odzboi)
celest dome
Krork and ork are not the same, Krork could do a lot more
fervent mist
i know
barren tapir
i think the orkz were for the necron legions while the eldar fought more against the ctan bc its stronger than trowing a bunch of bodies against them i guess
You are right, but to be precise the orks were the sponge and the eldar the scalpel
fervent mist
yea
seeing one race is better described as an eco system while the other actually has genders
barren tapir
Fear not, krork may be returning if the orks get bigger enough, like the Beast
celest dome
I don't think real Krork can return (unless Trazyn free one)
barren tapir
He as pretty much everything in his collection
celest dome
Not Escape, stasys field
fervent mist
when they can devolve from krorks into orkz they should be able to do the reverse
with escape i mean he gets freed and buggers off somewhere
barren tapir
We had orks that could speak perfect high gothic... And be more stronger than a primarch...
fervent mist
and the beast was a close contender
barren tapir
Yeah, and the worst is that there was more than one beast
rose sand
🇲 🇦 🇬 🇳 🇺 🇸 
🇳 🇴 🇹 🇭 🇮 🇳 🇬 🇼 🇷 🇴 🇳 🇬
fervent mist
maybe if the necrons or tyranids are a bigger threat and put up something like the war in heaven they might evolve back into it
barren tapir
Thrakka is on the right way to become another beast...
fervent mist
they do grow the bigger the fight is
i want it so bad
james workshop make a krork ghazghull models as big a warhound titan
celest dome
Tuska is the right way
barren tapir
It would be nice if the imperium istead of fearing its past would study it... I think that as now no one remember the war of the beast
Tuska is the right way
He is busy killing and being killed by demons
fervent mist
im pretty sure tuska is on some demon planet in the eye of terror too busy dyin over and over again
maybe even grotsnik can do something
it has been said he captured some primaris
and since he was able to revive ghazghull and somehow give him this upgrade
who knows
celest dome
Is he the one who may make Orks Primaris ?
celest dome
FOR DA COMMITE
FOR DA RED GOBBO
fervent mist
ah a grot of kulta as well
celest dome
Favourite Orkoid subfaction
celest dome
Well there was the Christmas model
barren tapir
What i want is Imperial Guard primaris... Everyone is getting upgrade except for them...
celest dome
We may get back Imperial Guard Power Armour
barren tapir
And since we have belisarius now without a clear job it would be nice that he take a look at the equipment of the IG to revitalise some part of it
If we look at the imperial army there were some regiments that were amazing!
celest dome
You mean in 30k ?
barren tapir
Yes, like the g9k division
fervent mist
if it comes to tabletop tyranids really need something
they didnt really had anything for years
celest dome
Yeah Tyr deff need something
celest dome
Tyr got something ? When ?
fervent mist
sadly no
im talking bout xeno as a whole
now that necrons got a range over do and some new shit
and a new ork model bein teased
which is prob the big mek with kff
celest dome
I'm waiting to see the new Admech model (And please include the rule for the 30k model in the 9th edition)
celest dome
Being able to field a real all Grot army is a must
celest dome
Yeah but you need Ork mek to field Tank
fervent mist
yea
why cant they make the red gobbo its own model
makin it that you can give youre grots special weapon
like bring the grot kannons back
they have been fucked with the points increase already so why not
it would also make for great storys
the grot rebellion finally cruisin the stars
and the legends of da red gobbo inspiring many more grots to rebell and join the first and last gretchin waaagh
buoyant crypt
how do orks cheat
fervent mist
they dont
celest dome
Their psychic field ? That's the only thing I may see
But then Endormis (Necron) and Blank/Psyker are also cheating
celest dome
DEY ARE BUTALY CUNNING
fervent mist
they are fine
buoyant crypt
I guess the whole, literally pick up garbage and turn it into a tank thing is kinda of cheating though
fervent mist
thats the charm baby
celest dome
I wonder what freedom Fatshark will have on the lore (DoW could create a new SM Chapter; Mechanicus created a minor Necron Faction; Inquisitor Martyr/prophecy showed a new type of construct/servitor the 2 smaller one)
sage ember
We might see some addition to the Genestealer cults, maybe a cult yet not known?
celest dome
There are some Chaos Genestealer cult, though I don't know if which way it was originaly
crisp heath
@celest dome I'm bringing this over here, you mentioned that Khornite sometimes work as sellswords, could you tell me more on that?
Expand my knowledge on this heretical subject
vagrant osprey
Inquisitor Martyr took a TON of liberties with the lore.
Including things that straight-up break the universe.
As best as I can tell? They got a style guide and dictionary, and that's it.
celest dome
@crisp heath It was in Necromunda "Harvest Lord" from a Non-Necromunda cult that worked as a Merc for the Corps Grinder cult (Necromunda Khornite cult) and other Chaos tainted gang
I think his normal cult was destroyed
crisp heath
Hm thank you I will definitely not research this
celest dome
Hearth wood or something similar
vagrant osprey
Martyr's main plot involves "The Alpha Pariah", known by the Word Bearers as The Anathama, being hidden away on an ancient ship by the name of the Martyr. A ship which is protected by "Empyrean Seals" which passively destroy warp rifts (And spawn warpgates when destroyed for some reason). As a lone inquisitor, you must kill several thousand Astartes, at least 50 dreadnaughts, a dozen Imperial Knights (Here called "daemon engines"), a dozen tanks, countless daemons, and etc... Just as part of the main plot.
The final boss is ||A Great Unclean One||. You somehow survive killing it.
celest dome
Without counting all the Eldar you also kill
vagrant osprey
The Eldar are part of sidequests.
At least, in Martyr. They DO show up in Prophecy, but I haven't played through all that.,
The side quests include gems like: The Dark Eldar conquering a hive planet and taking up residence there.
celest dome
I took the Prophecy to play as the Techpriest
vagrant osprey
(They got in through warp gates)
I think it says everything about the game that the Dark Eldar were stepping in and out of warp gates to attack you.
celest dome
You mean the Warp Spider ?
vagrant osprey
No.
The entire force is described, by the Inquisitor and their Retinue, as popping in and out via warp gates.
(There's also the problem where you kill like 4 Homonculii in that side-quest - the fuck are they doing outside of Commorragh?)
celest dome
Homonculii that were exiled from their Cabal ?
vagrant osprey
No, one of them is apparently a "Homonculii Lord"
Also, the Cabal forms around Homonculii. That'd be like an Inquisitor being exiled from their Retinue.
If you know the secret to being able to push back the clock on Slaanesh swallowing a soul, you're too valuable to throw away.
celest dome
Homonculii know how to push back Slaanesh ?
vagrant osprey
That is literally the thing that determines if you are a Homonculii or not.
All Dark Eldar are on a ticking clock before their soul is ragged enough for Slaanesh to grab it and devour it. Homonculii take the emotional energy from various forms of agony and somehow use it to form a protective barrier around people.
vagrant osprey
An analogy would be they're all walking around in Scuba tanks, and Homonculii know how to refill those tanks.
If a Drukari were to upset the Homonculii, they fucking die
Anyway, the clock is always ticking. It ticks faster in Realspace, but runs down basically instantly if they ever enter the warp.
The idea that they could conquer a planet is insane. They do hit and run tactics to acquire slaves because minutes matter.
And using a warp gate to get around should just get their souls devoured.
Martyr is probably the least lore-compliant game ever :V
celest dome
What about the Tau game ?
vagrant osprey
Haven't played that yet. Can't comment.
It's basically impossible to get less lore-compliant than a game where an Inquisitor with a lasrifle can one-shot a Dreadnaut.
In my run through Martyr I killed more Word Bearers than there are Word Bearers that exist.
celest dome
@crisp heath for Nurgle the most common Sellsword are Death Priest or Mire
Slaanesh: Pirate of Helix
Tzeenth: Most of their Cultist help and betray everyone
crisp heath
Heh I like and hate that the tzeentch cultists act exactly as I imagined that they would
For the khornite, I figured it's a simple matter of blood, I'm sure they don't give a shit who's it is
vagrant osprey
Tzeentch cultists are the worst mercenaries to hire.
They'd find a way to betray you and keep your money.
vagrant osprey
If you don't hire them then they're not mercenaries, they're pirates :V
Or bandits, case depending.
Mercenaries of Khorne would be the most reliable. They're honorable.
crisp heath
Sure
celest dome
But you should not make them wait, they want to fight, and they want it now
vagrant osprey
You probably won't pay them in cash though.
crisp heath
I remember having the "honorable" conversation with my brother over khorne
celest dome
Yup A khornite Cultist will not stab you in the Back
vagrant osprey
They may stab you in the front.
celest dome
Just in the face, repeatedly
vagrant osprey
But you'll know it's coming.
crisp heath
Lol yea
vagrant osprey
Slaaneshi cultists may or may not betray you, but they're not very effective if the mission is going to take more than a few minutes.
They'll get distracted.
celest dome
Slaanesh will stab you but you don't know if you feel pain
vagrant osprey
Second worst is nurgle cultists.
crisp heath
I think the fuckers cultist would enjoy someone agonizing over the idea of betrayal
There's nurgal cultists every where now a days
Not wearing a mask
Coughing in my general direction
Not even having the courtesy to look away when they sneeze
vagrant osprey
Yes.
celest dome
Just join Khorne, we have Chainsword and chainaxe
crisp heath
Could really use a fucking exterminatus
Sorry
I love my emperor
I couldn't possibly
prime kernel
celest dome
Well then I can't help you
But remember Khorne does not care from where the blood flows
prime kernel
he is better then birb
crisp heath
For sure
I would much rather fight for the lord of flakes than play chess the rest of my life
celest dome
Yes, forget your corpse Emperor and join the maccabre dance of the Battlefield
crisp heath
Maybe
But
I can't
We will simply have to meet each other on the field of battle
prime kernel
crisp heath
celest dome
Your emperor doesn't bleed, he won't have my blood
celest dome
Would still please Khorne
crisp heath
Then it's a win- win
I don't fall to Khorne, yet and you appear to appease your uh "patron"
celest dome
My Lord, and the new owner of your skull, if I am lucky
crisp heath
Heh, so tell me this, fluff wise, what do people do for downtime
Being in the service myself, though naturally I cant truly compare my service to an IGs
I have a lot of downtime
celest dome
Mostly the same as you all do, with less church services
crisp heath
So a lot of jokes, stupid shenanigans, prayer, and the occasional fight
Did I get that about right?
celest dome
Yeah, take out the prayer since we take care of it on the Battlefield
prime kernel
thats only because of the game and you know it
crisp heath
Nope
barren tapir
Most of the downtime is spent on prayers, appeasing the machine spirits and training
odd sparrow
Admech does objectively have the best music tbf
is it 90% because of mechanicus? Yes but the point stands
crisp heath
buoyant crypt
@inner lion they already are making an inquisitor and a planet
celest dome
You mean me ?
Yeah I know but what else, like DoW introduced one of the most beloved SM Chapter
buoyant crypt
maybe further down the line but this one seems pretty set already
new planet, new hive city, new cult, new inquistor, some named characters under the guise of our PC's
maybe they make their own ork clan for greentide
the fat sharks
Da Fat Sharks
odd sparrow
In general FS seems to avoid like, very established areas and characters WH wise
might be a copyright thing but either way i wouldn't mind at all if basically everything was original
buoyant crypt
vermintide had some pretty established areas
crisp heath
It's grounded in established lore
buoyant crypt
well yeah thats what im saying
its not like they wont touch something just because its has some lore already
though i really dont know how they could change anything about nurgle baddies or something like that with this game
maybe theres like some new chaos prince or something? idk enough about nurgle to form a solid idea
crisp heath
Right, I'm just saying, I don't mind original concepts, I just don't want them to change things, as like retconning things
Which would be stupid
buoyant crypt
tru tru
chilly summit
Hey yall band of 40k lore addict. I just finished reading the Eisenhorn trilogy, should I keep going with the Ravenor one or read Gaunt's Ghosts
celest dome
Ravenor is more similar to Eisenhorn, but i prefer Gaunt's
cerulean wagon
Ravenor is a direct sequel
or well
its connected very closely, i dont remember the chronology ]
celest dome
Isn't like the 1st Ravenor is before the last Eisenhorn ? Or do I remember wrongly ?
vagrant osprey
Clearly, you need to read the Inquisitor Draco trilogy. Go way back to the beginning :kappa:
vagrant osprey
Come to think of it, "Inquisitor - Martyr" might actually be inspired by Draco. It'd explain a lot.
heavy pine
from what i have understand Hive cities are important industry and factory ressource for some faction of the imperium that explain why they try most time of not unleash a exterminatus when a chaos infection is detected since these ressource giving by the hive cities are to much important of losing it
barren tapir
Like everything in warhammer 40k, it is quite more complicated than it looks
And exterminatus is use donly in the most dire of situations... Like demonic corruption or depriving an enemy of critical stuff...
cerulean wagon
ye exterminatus is a lot rarer than the memes would have u believe
barren tapir
And it is mostly done on planets not of the imperium...
thick shadow
I love to see exterminatus in anyway
odd sparrow
Yea exterminatus isn't as casual as TTS memes imply. Plus inquisitors will 100% face severe repercussions if the greater inquisition figures an exterminatus was frivolous
celest dome
There is even a special order for investigating Exterminatus, Ordo Exterminatus
odd sparrow
tbh exterminatus is kinda prudent all things considered. Like, if the Imperium "sending millions of men to their deaths to win fifty yards of blasted mud" of Man is willing to concede that a planet is unsalvageable then yeah shit is fucked
odd tulip
The trouble with punishing improper use of exterminatus is that its mired in bureaucracy, like everything else in the Imperium. An inquisitor will likely end up excommunicae traitoris after false exterminatus orders, but it may take months, years, or even decades for that order to come down.
vagrant osprey
Decades? HA!
celest dome
And the paper trail get lost
vagrant osprey
The Inquisitor will probably be long dead from old age by the time they wind up Excommunicae Traitoris. WITH their rejuve treatments!
How many planets did Kryptman hit with virus bombs before he was declared a traitor?
It was more than 100.
celest dome
I remember something with a 5, maybe 500 ?
vagrant osprey
Sounds about right.
His solution to Hive Fleet Leviathan was to lure the fleet into attacking Imperium planets, then once the invasion was in full swing he virus bombed them.
odd tulip
Yeah, that guy was a real prick.
vagrant osprey
Yep
celest dome
Those world could not have been saved, but the populace could have been evacuated
vagrant osprey
luring the fleet into attacking Imperium planets
Anyway, after the Carta Extremis order was issued for his death (or capture), he convinced some Deathwatch to go kidnap some genestealers. Somehow.
Then he unleashed the Genestealers on a Space Hulk.
Then he blew up a moon. Somehow.
And that somehow launched the space hulk into one of the Ork empires.
He thought all these things were good ideas.
crisp heath
Sounds like abrilliant man
rough charm
lore
celest dome
Yes lore
rough charm
ive done my lore chat for the day
vagrant osprey
You think it's brilliant to give nids access to the WAAAAGGGH?
Nids that can make shootas and rippas out of random debris?
Your average servoskull has barely any brain left intact. They're basically robots hooked up to a lump of neural tissue so they can say "No AI here! That's human brain tissue in there, and that's totally in control of it!"
On the other end of the spectrum, you have not-quite servoskulls that are intended to keep the person around longer. Things like the Memento-Mortispex.
sage ember
btw is there any knowledge about genestealers taking over eldar or full orctribes?
and is there any lore stating chaos fighting nids?
celest dome
Yes there is, I will look the link and post it
Chaos Cult that was a Genestealer cult first
Cult in Xenos civilization
Hybrid in non human
sage ember
thanks
barren tapir
btw is there any knowledge about genestealers taking over eldar or full orctribes?
IIRC there was an entire exodite world that was infected by genestealer, and orks that were infected by genestealers being killed by other orks that could feel that something wasn't ok with those orks
Ah, it was a craftworld, not an exodite world
barren tapir
Regarding chaos fighting tyranids there was a blood crusade aganist them to find the biggest skull and offer it to khorne
These guys
But the hive mind has developed its "tools" aganist chaos...
celest dome
Since when is the Destroyer curse something ? I remember the Flayer curse due to the death of a C'tan, does that mean that there is another C'tan who died and liberated that Curse ?
barren tapir
There wasn't a destroyer curse... But necrons had been retconnected many times, and it looks like they are still under "development"...
celest dome
So it's new, I wonder if they will change the origin of Necron Curse
barren tapir
Fun fact: the bolter is not an invention of the age of technology, it was developed by the emperor after the age of strife, this would make it an heresy in the eyes of the actual Ad. Mech. since it is the result of innovation... That make also the bolt rifle, developed by belisarius cawl, the result of innovation...
vagrant osprey
Bolters are silly.
dire dragon
yeah, but thats part of why they are cool
vagrant osprey
They decided to combine a conventional munition with a gyrojet round, which defeats the purpose of both.
barren tapir
They decided to combine a conventional munition with a gyrojet round, which defeats the purpose of both.
Completely agree
vagrant osprey
And then they said that the bolter rounds are full of depleted deuterium
barren tapir
On top of that i would like to add that the recoil that the bolters have is... Not right...
vagrant osprey
Now, the funny thing? All of this would make sense if the Bolters themselves were developed to use DAoT ammunition that the Emperor didn't actually understand.
barren tapir
Their munitions are made with a very small quantity of chemical propellant, enough just to make the bullet go out of the barrel, then it should self propel itself
So, from where the warp all their recoil came?
vagrant osprey
If bolter rounds were intended to be railgun munitions for armored deployment, everything suddenly checks out.
Initial chemical propellant? Required to prevent spot-welding to the rails. Gyrojet? Spin compensation for the round, which a railgun can't really do.
barren tapir
Oh, and since they are gyrojet bullets they should be more effective at long distance, and not useful at close distance, like pointblank range, but they don't know that e they keep shooting orks at pointblank range
Initial chemical propellant? Required to prevent spot-welding to the rails. Gyrojet? Spin compensation for the round, which a railgun can't really do.
Make sense
vagrant osprey
Depleted deuterium? If you get the round going fast enough then a correctly shaped chamber would allow a secondary explosion from inertial confinement fusion.
I can absolutely see DAoT deciding to build rapid-fire micronuke rounds.
And I can see thronebutt saying "These rounds were super effective. I'm going to have people use them."
... without actually understanding any of it, and while being unwilling to admit he screwed up and they're not supposed to work the way they do.
barren tapir
I hope they retconnect a lot of this nonsense, maybe asking ballistic expert how things should work
chilly summit
Maybe that's how bolt are supposed to work because the emperor decided so, but they are actually just huge bullet because it was dumb and it wasn't working, but they are acting like it's what the emperor told them to use because they can't admit he was wrong
vagrant osprey
No, that's how the bolter rounds are made. There are multiple patterns, and deviating from them is heresy
chilly summit
Sure sure, and we all know Space Marine would never deviate
All Space Marine chapter are pure and clean
No mutation, no refutation of Imperial Doctrine
barren tapir
No finding an STC and keeping it for themself
chilly summit
And they certainly don't refute the fact that the emperor is a god which would be heresy right ?
barren tapir
No, that's how the bolter rounds are made. There are multiple patterns, and deviating from them is heresy
Well, sometimes someone find a new STC, like during a war where you are not making progress and voila, a new STC get discovered and it is extremely effective for that engagement...
And they certainly don't refute the fact that the emperor is a god which would be heresy right ?
Some of them do, but still "worship" him, while others completely worship him like a god
vagrant osprey
Space Marines deviate all the time, but bolters and their munitions are made in Manufactorums by people who would get shot for heresy.
chilly summit
Are they ?
vagrant osprey
Forge worlds and hive cities are not going to deviate from patterns.
barren tapir
Like, the black templars worship him as a god, ultramarine see him as a great leader and human that is worthy of respect
chilly summit
They are techno priest in the space marine because they specifically won't allow people from outside their chapter anywhere near their tech
barren tapir
Space Marines deviate all the time, but bolters and their munitions are made in Manufactorums by people who would get shot for heresy.
SM chapter have their own forges, they are quite self sufficent TBH
chilly summit
Yeah that seems more like it
barren tapir
They are techno priest in the space marine because they specifically won't allow people from outside their chapter anywhere near their tech
There are no techpriest because they don't belong in SM chapter, that is why techmarines exist, and they share their loyalty between the Ad. Mech. and their chapters
vagrant osprey
Many are self sufficient, but quite a few of them aren't actually capable of maintaining those facilities. The Black Templar, for example.
chilly summit
You do understand that when I say they have tech priest inside their chapter because they don't allow outsider, I do mean tech marine
vagrant osprey
And the Carcharodons just take whatever they need.
barren tapir
But, like already said, some of them deviate from standards and may actually have techpriest sometime, like the iron hands
tawdry walrus
yes but allow me to retort with a counter-point, it works because it´s hella cool
there´s also lots of clever recoil-dampening techno-magic inside spehhs mehreen pauldrons you see
why else would they be so huge?
chilly summit
The issue is that bolter shouldn't recoil much to start with
so what is the point of the recoil dampening on the human warmachine ?
tawdry walrus
i just wanted to take the piss out of the pauldrons for a bit tbh
i´ve no idea why there´s so much recoil
other than this rule of cool-thingy
cerulean wagon
Modifications to bolters is legal
modifications to most guns are
there are only certain outlawed mods
see: shotlas
barren tapir
Modifications to bolters is legal
I have an hard time trying to imagine someone going to say to a SM that their bolters are not STC compliant
modifications to most guns are
Modification of a lasgun is punished with BLAMMING, or penal service, unless you can prove it is an actual pattern blessed by the Ad. Mech.
Or if the modification is extremely small
cerulean wagon
actualy not true
tawdry walrus
every soldier tinkers with their gun a little tbh
barren tapir
Maybe i was a bit extreme on the punishment, but not on the fact that guardsman aren't permitted to modify excessively their weapons
tawdry walrus
i would argue that depends heavily on the unit in question
cerulean wagon
as long as it is supplied by the regiment most modifications are legal
assuming it is something the quatermaster or weaponsmith allows
see: various attachments or munitions types
or folding stocks
it is possible to get a kantreal pattern lasgun with a cutdown barrel and a folding stock
legally within lore
basically you can modfy your weapons to the extend most modern militaries do
vagrant osprey
You can have your quartermaster alter your weapon.
Otherwise it's defacing imperial property, and you will hopefully receive summary execution.
IG troopers have been sentenced to penal legions because they defaced their armor. With blood.
Their own.
On accident.
Or because they allowed it to become soiled, while mucking through a swamp under orders.
Honestly, Commissars tend to be total assholes.
Buuuuuut honestly? What do you expect, considering they almost all come from the Schola Progenium?
cerulean wagon
also remember that its down to the regiment n a whole bunch of other factors on how tightly controlled these things are
although the general showing for commissars is comically evil they are still human so a lot are very flexible on what rules they enforce
if what the soldiers do betters progress against the emperors enemies then why not?
within reason ofc
vagrant osprey
The Schola Progenium is an Ecclesiarchy indoctrination school intended to produce extreme and uncompromising fervor.
They're not comically evil. They're trained from a young age that mercy and leniency are the temptations of chaos and invite in rebellion and heresy.
odd tulip
Don't commissars come from the same house as Tempestus Scions?
vagrant osprey
The Schola Progenium, yes.
Not all commissars come from the SP, just most.
The Tempestus Scions - the elite IG who believe that the slightest hesitation in execution of an order is heresy
odd tulip
Yeah you're right, idk why I thought TS and Commissars were outside of Schola
vagrant osprey
Lots of Commissars didn't go through the SP.
odd tulip
They mostly pulled from the best-of-the-best of Scions iirc
vagrant osprey
Some are, but there's separate Commissar tracks and Scions tracks.
Depending on where they show proficiency
For an example of this, Ciaphas Cain's ranking was on the low-end of average, but he started on the Commissar track.
People can go up from the Scions track to the Commissar track, but only if they're exceptional.
cerulean wagon
its less that and more
they are trained together in most schools
the better cadets become commissars
vagrant osprey
checks math
If we assume a bolter contains 1g of depleted deuterium, and has a conversion efficiency of about 30% (Typical for nuclear munitions), each bolter round would result in a nuclear blast on the order of 7.5kt.
"Tactical nuclear bomb machine gun" is the sort of DAoT weapons you could expect.
celest dome
Do we have a legit knowledge of the Bolter speed/rang/explodiv range
vagrant osprey
It's all over the place
vagrant osprey
@celest dome This looks pretty good, lorewise: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/5tjb4p/semiscientific_analysis_of_the_bolter/
Also, trying to @ you is a pain because as soon as I type "here" it assumes I wanted to @here.
vagrant osprey
Changing your name to "a_heretic_whatever" would work
celest dome
Good idea, ill do it after sleeping
rose sand
Huh. Official art that is extremely wrong
@vagrant osprey That graph is cancer and wrong
Unless the author made Guillimen a retard just to make this ass chart which doesn't even include Imperial Regent on it at all.
But thats all its been since the end times
vagrant osprey
Adeptus Custodes under Adeptus Terra, which... isn't a thing? Pretty sure it's not a thing.
The Imperial House should be at the top. That includes the Custodes.
Arbites are BELOW planetary governors, not two ranks above them.
Rogue Traders are off to the side
The only authorities RTs recognize are the Imperial House and the Inquisition. They can tell anybody else to piss off.
cerulean wagon
arbites is an odd one
because although they are bellow in certain circumstances they are also above
odd sparrow
40k lore, especially in specifics such as organizational stuff is wildly inconsistent and convoluted
rotund siren
Ooh, burn
But you're right
Sometimes they claim that an Arbitrator can spit on a governor's face, practically, and others they're just really brutal and kinda shitty semi-secret police
Who have a lot of resources???
rotund siren
Well, not really secret, but they're kinda like the KGB, in a way
chilly summit
To me they look more like the Swat but sure
rotund siren
Well, in appearance, sure, but in actions, they fit the KGB, what with being a military-esque police force that can do practically anything to the common populace
chilly summit
anyone can do anything to the common populace
people are a commodity in 40k
and usually it end badly for the peoples
But I mean, they are litteraly just a bunch of judge dredd that replace normal police
rotund siren
No, enforcers are normal police
The Arbitrators don't care about regular laws and don't even have to interact with them
They carry out the laws of the Imperium as a whole, which is basically just "Kill anything not human/not worshipping the Emperor"
Among other, smaller things
Like stopping riots and uprisings
chilly summit
Yeah but like, enforcers are people that deal with petty crime. When shit get serious the arbites is here
rotund siren
Basically, but an arbitrator wouldn't deal with a serial killer, or even mass murderers
chilly summit
They would if they wanted to
rotund siren
Sure, but they don't have to, and that's really all that matters
chilly summit
They don't have to do anything
rotund siren
After all, humans are a commodity
They have to do their jobs
Because otherwise they'll be, ya know
Fucked
chilly summit
They can pick and choose what they do, which is usually as much as they can
chilly summit
If a big serial killer is the biggest they have around at the time, and especially if he might be linked with some chaos or shit, they'll be on it
rotund siren
if he might be linked with some chaos or shit, they'll be on it
@chilly summit Yes to this, not sure about the rest of that
chilly summit
They'll have to do a LOT of nothing before someone come knocking asking for answers
but they kinda recruit crazy people with a mind solely onto justice
rotund siren
I guess, but if they do a LOT of nothing, they'll probably have more problems than the Imperium coming around
chilly summit
Like Fischig
rotund siren
and that's the other thing, how they're trained to think that they're all righteous and shit
chilly summit
So they will not sit around
rotund siren
Yep
vagrant osprey
Arbites are basically SWAT
They deal with the biggest offenses on the chart.
If there's nothing big going on, they deal with lesser crimes.
However, they are nominally under the direction of planetary governors, unless said governors are under investigation.
rotund siren
Cool, thanks for clearing that up
I'm trying to remember
There was a planet that worshipped either differently or a different god or something, who managed to take over everything on their planet and pushed the Arbites into the penitentiary-fortresses
but the Arbites managed to hold and even take some crucial places
for long enough for the Inquisition and Space Marines to arrive
and I think it ended up being genestealers or something
Anyways, would a time when the Planetary Governor told them to do something that's against what they're supposed to do, like ignore riots or something, allow them to attack that Governor?
Basically, is there any time besides the Under Investigation time when the Arbites can go against the governor?
vagrant osprey
It's not a hard chain of command.
It's a soft chain of command.
They can't be told to not do their job, but they can be more or less directed.
rotund siren
I getcha, neat
barren tapir
SoB can be corrupted by chaos, they are just hard to corrupt because of their fanatism toward the emperor, in fact we know that the ecclesiarchy hide the fact when a SoB is corrupted, with another sister taking the identity of the fallen one and often taking the quest to track the fallen one and kill her
As now the only beings that are uncorruptable are blanks, GK and other powerful psykers can still be corrupted, but it is difficult that is near impossible... Custodes are also extremely resiliant, but it is hinted that it is because they have emperor's genetic material
SoB also aren't immune to mind control
They are literally fanatics which have access to better equipment than the Astra Militarum, and that is because they are the muscles of the ecclesiarchy
Ah, and the initiation process with demon possession is part of the Illuminati and is also used by a SM chapter, the exorcists...
chilly summit
That make no sense for the custodes as the Primarch are also from the emperor gene seed and you know how that turned out
barren tapir
That make no sense for the custodes as the Primarch are also from the emperor gene seed and you know how that turned out
Eh, you are right, that is way it is hinted, although i think it is more linked to how they are produced, it is harder to corrupt someone when the only thing they think is duty and loyalty to the emperor, without emotions and similar
chilly summit
I mean, space marines aren't supposed to have emotion and all the thing either
but they still very much do
barren tapir
They still have emotions, not like normal humans but they still feel rage, shame etc, the custodes don't show to have anything other than a sense of duty
Oh, forgot to say this about GK, they know that they are not immune to chaos, that is why in their chapter there is a specialist rank that only the most strong and uncorruptible can take
vagrant osprey
Gene seed has nothing to do with genetics, which makes everything weird.
Also: The companions are shown to have person-like qualities, but that doesn't seem to be the case for the Custodes produced after the Emperor fell.
The companions are probably individually custom-built by the Emperor to be, well, companions.
celest dome
I always saw it more as Custodes being the equivalent of the Space Marine but in place of being made from Primarch stuff it would have been the Emperor or Malcador (maybe the SoS)
They are less corruptible because they come from earth and they are hand picked from birth (so not picked from whatever world the SM take their initiate from)
barren tapir
Custodes are hand picked and hand crafted, they don't share the same development process of SM... We know that some custodians were the sons of defeated warlords or came from noble families...
An example is Ra endymion
celest dome
Yeah Noble house of Terra, not like the SM but the process to get them stronger is maybe the same
barren tapir
Nope, it is stated that every custodes is uniquely crafted... No one outside the custodes know how to produce a custodes
vagrant osprey
It takes over 200 years to make a custodes. It's an intensive, complicated process.
celest dome
How long does a Custodes lives ?
vagrant osprey
They don't have a defined lifetime.
barren tapir
They don't age
vagrant osprey
The primarch program was at least partially intended to create something like the Custodes, but faster and better.
celest dome
Don't some Custodes leave the order after sometime ?
vagrant osprey
It was partially successful.
barren tapir
Yes, if the custodes believe he is not fit for duty anymore he leave his armor and become an eye of the emperor
Usually they take a black hooded cloak for disguise
vagrant osprey
Which is funny, since they're like 9 feet tall
barren tapir
Yeah, like raven guard and alpha legion TBH, how the hell they can be subtle and sneaky
celest dome
You need to remember that Ogryn, Augmented and even abhuman exist
vagrant osprey
A cloak isn't going to disguise an Ogryn.
celest dome
If you look like a Techpriest you can every size you want
vagrant osprey
It's important to note that the Custodes are exceptional at stealth.
barren tapir
Not enough metal thigs going out of the cloak
celest dome
Magos Biologis
barren tapir
Yeah, they are tranied as assassins too
Magos Biologis
True, but they still have some metal parts
vagrant osprey
They can get damn near anywhere without being spotted.
The black cloak is more of a hinderance than anything.
barren tapir
Talking about things that can be invisible... Blanks can be invisible too... Jenetia krole is an example
celest dome
Invisible to the warp sense ?
barren tapir
Invisible to humans too
vagrant osprey
Was she actually invisible, or just too sneaky to spot?
I mean, she might have dressed herself in purple :V
vagrant osprey
Hmm... Synskin?
long spruce
anyone got some good book recommendations that revolve around the primaris? Like how they adjust or how they are accepted/rejected by existing firstborn?
vagrant osprey
OOF, Inquisitor-Martyr does NOT play well with the lore.
It's not technically impossible for Wraithbone to have a warp infection.
Technically.
It's like water being on fire.
It can happen under contrived circumstances.
And if it's happening around you in to any meaningful extent then you're already dead. Literally dead, not just facing imminent death.
cerulean wagon
Actualy this has happened before
although the previous craftworld was fully submerged in the warp
Craftworld Lu’Nasad
@vagrant osprey its an interesting setting from one of the RT books, give it a look
vagrant osprey
Yeeeaaahhh... See... "The lake is burning down" was an ancillary concern to "The air is fluorine"
cerulean wagon
well it was less they fully submerged
and more they went through a warp storm
which i guess is close enough
crisp heath
I hope that in Dark Tide we Will have squat character
zenith dust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aGGUH5CP1Y&list=PLWklwxMTl4syV8AKGddN7oA31Rvscurwn&index=26&t=0s
dunno if anyone's seen this before but I found it interesting
wide vessel
Does it need to be?
It’s a chainsaw fuzed with a sword
38,000 years in the future.
rotund siren
During which humanity battles space elves, talking fighting mushrooms, and magical monsters from beyond this reality
thick shadow
Chianswords/axe/fist/etc... is just damn cool. So, there's no need a reason but brrrrrrrrzzzzzt.
sudden seal
Loser: uhhh... Excuse me, is that chainsword realisitc?
Chad Space Marine: chainsword go brrrrrt
thick badge
Machine spirit don't give a fuck about your logic, you want a chains sword to cut through? It cuts through.
sudden seal
if it works, it works, don't question it
celest dome
Chainsword (And most notably Chainaxe) also existed in Warhammer fantasy
violet eagle
Just remember Shadiversity admits himself he is a plebeian and doesn’t actually have any qualifications to discuss this sort of stuff.
He’s just a nerd
The big difference with chainswords is you simply wouldn’t use them like a normal sword. You would use it more like a big club you had to keep pressed into an enemy
It’s why chainglaives are more realistic as a weapon because 2 hands placed further along the body of the weapon give more driving force and control
Some tree surgeons and the such use leaf and branch cutters very similar to a chainglaive today. Pretty sure any of them will tell you it would be a very capable weapon, if heavy as fuck.
odd sparrow
To be fair are there qualifications concerning the validity of chainsaws as weapons
cerulean wagon
if you can kill a man with it, its a weapon
ebon plinth
What if I kill somebody with a potato
Are irish lads eating ammos on a regular basis ?
celest dome
@rough charm We need your frozen baked potato
rotund siren
Is there such a thing as a video/security camera in 40k? The closest thing I've been able to find is the monoscopes used by the Tempestus Scions
celest dome
Yes, there are even security drone
The Servo skull can be fixed to a wall to work as a Fixed Camera or even as a trap
rotund siren
Alright, cool, thanks
vagrant osprey
Picts and pictfeeds
foggy laurel
Hi can I ask something
rotund siren
Yep
celest dome
Yes and no, in TT a guardsman can kill a SM
in the lore it has happened (most time the human/guardsman was a protagonist/character that we knew)
rotund siren
aka plot armor
celest dome
the No part come from mostly Space Marine centric Novel, where they are nearly impossible to kill
Like killing a Sword of Kaine
rotund siren
yeah, we had joked that if a chaos marine did show up, it would be a running away mission
or "escape mission" if you wanna sound proppa
foggy laurel
So how strong do you think we would be?
Like obviously we won't be Cain or Marbo levels
rotund siren
Nah. I'd say probably a step above guardsmen in terms of personal skill
but without the support or backup
celest dome
The Warhammer 40k doesn't have the same therminology as Warhammer Fantasy, but in Vermintide most character have named career (career are known to us quite well), those career are on the TT Heroes (Waystalker, Witchhunter and Bright Wizard); That mean the Ubersriek 5 have the power level of 5 Un-named heroes (Weaker than Named Heroes)
foggy laurel
I was playing Total War
celest dome
The only thing I can remember in the Imperial Guard as being somewhat similar would be Warlord
foggy laurel
And they basically put Markus up to the level of Empire Captain
And Bardin as Thane
So like a Comissar maybe?
But comissars don't go frontline though
rotund siren
Yeah, there isn't really a good name for a point between Guardsman and those more advanced units
Or there is, but I don't know enough
It seems like we'll be playing as troops from a penal legion under an Inquisitor, so it's assumed that we're maybe Acolyte level?
celest dome
Commissar go on the Front, they are a Warlord choice
foggy laurel
So maybe a Comissar then
celest dome
The thing is that W40k has less Power level (or they are less rigid) than Fantasy, it's due to the range (God created man, and Sam Colt made them equal)
foggy laurel
Kinda how Victor is a Witch Hunter Captain and leader of the U5
Would a Harlequin for example be too overpowered if we were to fight one?
celest dome
Harlequin are really hard for IG in TT but in lore they usually can keep up to toe on a SM
rotund siren
Escape Mission 2: Prepare to Die Edition
celest dome
You don't escape a Harlequin, you just need to wait for it to be bored and attack at that moment (Bring all the tank ou can)
foggy laurel
HAHA half the missions is us running the hell away from OP enemies
rotund siren
But it'd be fun! Hopefully
It's like, "Ok, today you'll face one thousand weak poxwalkers, fifty plague ogryns, and then run from a chaos marine. That sound good?"
foggy laurel
But don't do it too much hopefully
celest dome
And if you're not happy BLAM
rotund siren
Exactly!
but yeah, I imagine they won't do it that often, if they even end up doing it
Ha, we could ask Hedge
foggy laurel
So what can we take down?
celest dome
As simple guardsmen ? everything we only need more Man Power
All alone ? you could look at Kill Team, IG have 13 (iirc) model and Custodes have only 2 (due to the high cost of their model), IG is kind of the best rounded Team kill
foggy laurel
I... don't know that haha
rotund siren
Well, all together, with 4 people, and assuming that those people are the same as in the art
I'd say, maybe a couple orks?
Like, easily thousands of poxwalkers, several plague ogryns too
but idk how far past that
celest dome
To note that if we are against Nurglite force (and Chaos in General) we could be against a weaker force as the Game is rigged and the player like to throw piece that are not useful anymore (Like Disgraced Chaos Warrior in the Fantasy universe), it would be like the skaven clan we face in V1/2, they are weaker than normal and have a more limited force
barren tapir
People underestimate a lot the IGs, but in truth they are quite capable to kill many things, veteran IGs are some of the fiercest warriors of the imperium...
Let me bring some example:
Mordian iron guard: These guys put down revolts and riots everyday, they faced demons multiple times and win, they were the only planet that managed to not fall to magnus, and the tzeenechian force he was leading, long enough to get reinforcement, yes, they still retreated after that , but they did an amazing job
Cadian shock trooper: they killed CSM pretty much every damned day, so... Yeah, they are good...
Tanith First and Only: scottish ninja that can ambush even CSM and one of them managed to kill a chaos dreadnought with a lasgun...
Armageddon steel legion: they fight orks everyday and had to fight also daemons after the cicatrix maledictum
Valhalla ice warriors: so stubborn that even commissar have problems with them when retreat is needed, also expert aganist orks
Death korps of krieg: so sucidal that commissar attached to them had to stop them from attacking in suicidal charges, also seems to be used often aganist necrons, mixed results
celest dome
That's why we said that 40k was less reliant on Power level (less than Fantasy used too)
barren tapir
Catachan jungle fighter: let me just say that even SM will avoid catachan, and that is because its flora and fauna, not because of the jungle fighters... In fact some of the jungle fighter fell like the service in the IG is easier than to live on catachan... Also they had a CSM invasion after the formation of the cicatrix maledictum, when guillman reached it it was already solved
And many many others...
And since we are in the service of an inquisitor we most probably are veterans, if we are guards at all
celest dome
Yup acolyte, which is the most likely option as it bring a lot of liberty to FS in terms of Weapon, equipments and ability (augments; stim and much more)
foggy laurel
I mean, aren't those mostly focus fire?
We're 4 (or 5) guardsmen
If an entire unit of IG is needed to kill one Space Marine then doesn't that look kinda weak?
barren tapir
Not really, focus fire is used and usefull, but not necessary to kill stuff as IG
cerulean wagon
@celest dome all that stuffs available to a penal regiment aswell
celest dome
Not at all, not even close
azure vault
They would get that gear tho
just because they're a penal legion doesn't mean they wont be given a decent range of gear
- since were on a hive world It may just be the case we could scavenge the gear from dead gangers and the such
barren tapir
Penal legion gear is: collar bomb and lasgun, now go and try to save your soul dying for the emperor
cerulean wagon
depends
as with all things IG: regimental equipment availability and prestige play a massive part in gear availability
barren tapir
Agree, but penal legion get nothing more than a lasgun
celest dome
The only special stuff that Penal Guard have is Stimpack, they have Stim Injector for Augment chemical
And I would advise from using weapon that were in Chaos possession
azure vault
Its not just stimpacks they get tho
they're normally given Frenzon aswell as multiple grenade types
cerulean wagon
also augments to keep them going where needed, or hotshot rifles
azure vault
so with a little wiggle room a inquisitor could very well give them other weapons
median sundial
Correct me if I'm wrong but a Melta Gun basically shoots a cone of weaponized microwaves, a Multimelta does that but twice, and some Meltas shoot beams.
To my understanding at least.
rotund siren
sorta. some do that, others just shoot basically pure heat, from what I can recall
tawdry walrus
it´s either pure heat or some kind of technobabble variety on what causes it
reef harbor
regarding penal legions and their weaponry - in terms of crunch afaik the Savlar Chem dogs were able to have all the regular guard equipment, and the fluff explained that it was because they stole or scavenged better gear from other regiments
barren tapir
They have permission to scavenge and keep everything they find on the battlefield
But that also means that they were given only the most basic gear
celest dome
Well not everything, I think there was a BLAM for a Penal Conscript who found a Commissar hat and took it for himself and was seen with it on his head
barren tapir
I bet that he could keep it, but using it make him guilty of impersonating a commissar, and that is a blam... And remember me that the hat of a commissar is one of their most important part of their uniform
ebon plinth
Coming a bit late to the party, but I quite enjoyed this animation on the guardsman subject : https://youtu.be/qyGDo1ARpjI
reef harbor
if a commissar loses his hat, will he get executed by another commissar? 🤔
heavy pine
who need hat when you have cybernetic implant
wicked ridge
Eisenhorn didn't, why would Yarrick?
odd sparrow
Isn't his eye literally just a laser he got implanted specifically to adhere to an ork rumour that his glare could kill
mellow depot
Sounds highly likely
frosty mortar
The laser eye is true he could shoot lasers up to 10' that could kill an ork
sudden seal
me when I get my big brother to back me up against a bully