#40k-lore-chat
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Yes
the Warp is in no way an efficient way to FTL
lol
it isnt like Star Wars, Star Trek, Dune etc where you actually wont get destroyed during transit and generally arrive very fast in a location
Warp Travel is very problematic
But if the elfs have the tech to avoid the going through the warp, would not mechanichus have to say that tech is superior then?
I mean you can
then you'll get shot lol
Eldar techology is anything beyond what the Imperium has
To be clear Webway is relatively more stable than IoM methods but is still labyrinthine and dangerous
battletech has the fastest FTL funny enough, literally point a to b instantly because physics be damned
Also you are applying logic to a faction that is space-nazis with the extremely dogmatic and backwards views
the Imperium is in no way logical in tons of the stuff they do
In the case of Ad Mech they are convinced something superior has already been invented by the STCs in the past
the imperium is literally the exact opposite of logical
And STCs...are actually genuinely more powerful than Xenostech
The funny part is a big step in Emps plan was an Imperial Webway 
...did they update the damn lore from 3rd edition yet again lol
3rd edition
yeah no DAOT tech is nothing compared to Eldar tech from the same period
Oi
Eldar literally did not even fight wars anymore and necrons had literal universal wars
humanity is not near that level
At most 2 decades :p
What was the rule again
the ultimate civilization is the one that has like no need to do anything and dont even bodily exist in the material realm or something
also something-something dyson spheres
In Stellaris you can change the number for pi
The comments on the YouTube post are insane
“Gw finally remembered there is more regiments then krieg and cadians!”
Flash backs to 9th edition with the official guides to kitbash first borns
STCs not even matching 40k Eldar tech does seem to make it pointless as a plot point
Even if I can appreciate the intent to piss on the Imperium in general
I mean not really?
STCs are incredibly important pieces of technology, you are comparing atom bombs to galaxy destroyer tech
its still better than the shit the imperium makes now, and or they can fill in gaps in the armory
Imagine being a farmer on some megacorp-owned world meanwhile some other country on the other side of the galaxy does this
yeah what Nameless said
the height of humanity was basically Stellaris
where everyone was i ntheir own federations doing scientific sandboxing
(also fighting each other on-and-off)
the problem is Eldar/Necron tech was so advanced its basically magic and on another level, they just had nothing to do with us
another problem is the most powerful human weapons where all AI controlled so yeah
So STCs are basically QoL improvements and not a massive strategic game changer.
Lol.
Ha XD!
not a massive strategic game changer.
They literally are lol
I think you are not fully getting what we are saying
the AI nanobot swarms that stripped worlds of life on the molecular level for example
Sometimes you get shovel thats mathematically better when rolled out in its billions and sometimes you get the "Instant eradicatr entire issue button"
Both are good to have, for different reasons
...how can things that cannot match Necron/Eldar tech be a massive strategic game changer then
because its a different ballpark my guy lol
Humanity cannot reach reality changing technology because they destroyed themselves at their own zenith
Necrons and Eldar only did this after reaching past their zenith
Also this.
STC isnt just "super mega tech that can warp everything"
its tech made to make life easier in any shape or form
Wait ok, I am getting confused, so let's just simplify this into ranking categories and leave it at that...
Pre 40k Eldar/Necron tech > DAoT human tech (in general) > 40k era Eldar/Necron tech > 40k human tech
never forget that one imperial guard officer that got made a planetary governor for finding an STC that made improved combat knives, any advantage the imperium can get is a massive win for them
correct
but DAOT humans were still very powerful they just had their moment of fall earlier than the CronsEldar
humanity was not like eldar where they were uplifted super psykers that achieved the apex of civilization
OK so basically DAoT STC if recovered would make battles easier but still wouldn't allow IoM to "wipe the floor" so to speak
It would for anyone minus Necrons prob
the Imperium is just not really capable of whole mass-adapting STCs because they are a fundementally flawed society
Cawl himself has to do everything he must in secret because he knows he'll be killed the moment anyone finds out what hes doing
What do you mean they updated the lore over the last 8 editions???
Bro still thinks they're oldcrons
(And maintaining it really)
yea we see this in Pariah Nexus
the admech released tons of DAOT superweapons
and it creates an absolute fucking disaster
and also brings forth Vashtorr into the warzone lol
Whoops
Not my fault GW shoved all the Cron lore onto expensive Forgeworld books at first
:p
This is how the post office in discworld works
They didnt tho
it was all in the 5th Necron codex
that was THE major re-invention of the faction
Anyway the peak scifi civilization is The Culture
Newcrons
Better than oldcrons
causes a hypergrid intrusion where your planet is by doing an intentionally bad job parking my spaceship
the whole thing is atomized by gridfire
I love oldcron fans
"I liked it when my faction had no identity and just a boring gimmick of walking and shooting lasers"
green metal zombos )))
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hell yes
so... space marines spit acid in the lore right?
yea
some of them
do they say hawk tuah
if their geneseed has all the working parts for acid spit
its possible
and if the author remembers
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i like to imagine a marine trying to spit and forgetting he's wearing a helmet
And they have the acidic spit
With all the random units they be giving space marines, they should make a cool one like Spit Marines
Primaris Spitter Squad
Note: the only authors who remember are writing imperial fists or their successors, so they can remind you their guys cant do it
The best argument for oldcrons was like pariahs
But when you think about it pariah lore is stupid
There’s levels to it
Pariah lore is very stupid, why would they make those
Blackstone literally exists already (iirc with the same properties pre 5E)
It tied in to weird oldcron lore about the human pariah gene being created by necrons as an antipsyker weapon for the war in heaven
Which i guess the necrons forgot about 
I think the original in universe idea is that you can breed humans
curse of the pharaoh
Technically...
old pariahs were C'tan projects iirc and new pariahs (whatever the fuck Szeras is doing) are something different now
either way they're doing stuff with blank humans again
New Pariahs are their own thing
They have anti souls and all
Yeah
But what’s that about Szeras
Is he cooking smth
No
he was doing something with them then got interrupted and it hasn't been touched since iirc
Hmm something to look into thanks
Even if blackstone had the same properties its way more abundant in current 40k
Im not sure what examples we knew of besides the pylons
Yeah true
I think there are pylons on all tombworlds for oldcrons though
At least on Kaurava and Kronus
And actually iirc those didnt have a local blanking effect? At least back in the day
The mechanicus were convinced it was the holes that did it
Hmm really? Tbh I don’t remember well lol
Like when the wind blows through spongebob and the jellyfish love it
Pylons can also amp warp energy as well
blackstone isn't anti warp it's just a conduit
At the very least i never read anything about psykers being uncomfortable around them or cadia having fewer psykers per capita
I couldn’t find anything on that but apparently he’s made some anti psyker overload psychic gun
Hmm I see
The cadian pylons were pointed directly at the eye though
They had their very specific purpose
Yeah but they’ve rarely used it amplify psychic power afaik
The necrons I mean
That would be anathema to them, they usually use it like in the Pariah Nexus
That's because the necrons arent psychic 
True
No souls and all
Idt there’s even any mention of psychic Necrontyr pre biotransference
Why boost psychic power when you cant use it and its the greatest weapon of your archenemies
They might’ve had dim souls
Yeah totally
yeah the pylons are clearly built with anti warp in mind but blackstone itself isn't inherently anti warp it's just tuned that way
Yeap
And it’s possible to “retune” them, like Imurah manipulated Leuze into doing iirc
Which has some interesting consequences
Abaddon also kind of did that but he didn't really tune it
more like flooded it full of warp stuff and destroyed it
I suppose that works too lol
The imperium and necrons could really do a number on chaos if they didnt view each other as abominations to exterminate
Chaos would try to fuck it over but yeah it would be a much bigger threat than what’s on rn
Why would they work with an inferior species
it's about half and half on the necrons really
what was the necrons? I always see u guys talking about it
most think of htem as vermin while the SK and his goons see them as like...
a pet
kind of
There’s at least a possibility of temporary “alliance” with Szarekh yeah
For Imotekh it’s all fucking roaches in their galaxy
Imotekh thinks anyone who isn't him is a roach
They were a cancer riddled sort of humanoid species called the Necrontyr
Long story later
ok so 60 million years ago-
They become evil bobot terminator yaoi
GW UPDATE THE VOSTROYANS IN PLASTIC AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
Repost my nuts
Put the plastic in GW vostroyans
If you're asking what i think you mean oldcrons were basically robo zombies without known motivations or personalities
Newcrons is when they got overhauled to have actual lore and goals and characters and stuff
Oldcron lore was basically like "and then a harvester fleet shows up and harvests everyone and isnt that spooky?"
Understandable
they should put plastic into the metal mold
or they are melting down the empire ogor lead bricks into vostroyans lmao
🚬
Peta really should split into different organisations, like I'm fairly certian some are benefical for the world and other aren't
-# Again, agaaain!
Again?
yeah like general animal welfare is good but um... being pricks and calling having pets immoral is not great
For a organization that apparently cares about animals
They really only seek to give themselves a bad name
Peta is an industry plant to discredit actual animal rights groups by making them all seem insane
I feel like most people know to see them distinct from other vegans. But then again...
Its very plausible
I can see this being true considering PETA
same with just stop oil
Yep
Like they literally had an ad that contained sounds of animals dying
That surely gave dozens of people panic attacks
They posted animal umamusume gore or smth
i woudl say that its a conspiracy but both just stop oil and peta get huge amounts of money from meat companies andoil companies respectively
Still cannot believe these mfers got 4 of their subreddits banned
Already
yeah let me get the list
New record lol
Yeah that was fast
Wowie
Just Stop Oil bravely fighting to save the environment by throwing cans of soup on the mona lisa
oh jsut stop oil said they are gonna stop protesting lsat year lmao
- HorusGalaxy

- Vengeful Spirit

- Eye of Terror

- Istvaan III Survivors (now)
istvaan 3? thta soudns familiar
Oh I remember that. I don't think they actually did. They threw it on the glass pane protecting it....still. lmfao
They had some Magnus Galaxy that lasted like a week
For like a year they did it constantly in the UK
Whyre they so desperate to exist on reddit go on 4chan bruh
I LOVE the irony of them trying to show themselves as like "heroic loyalists" lol
Go be hitler there lul
I wonder how long this one will last before people start spamming racism or smth and get it banned
Any artwork or museum, they'd just show up and throw soup at things
likely a few months before another ban
The irony writes itself
again it says a lot because do you have any idea how hard it is to get a subreddit banned lol
there were THAT MANY reports on it
Just send in a picture of a black female custodian and it'll tear itself part
^
More bans than crack subreddits
Or Sea Wolf SW
yeah because you cant report subreddits directly
They hate Black SW for no reason
Well racism duh
Sea Wolf Sex work????
yeah its just "vikings were all white blonde men"
Yes
meanwhile viking were historically not statistically blonde
Me when Fenris is a whole planet not just Norway or smth
Real
white people want to both be high class medieval nobles and serial rapist pillagers
There’s not even any reason for there to be no darker skinned people, darker skinned people can exist in cold climes smdh
Inuits
too real
Smdh Vikings did other things too
rich white people love to cosplay as poor people as well
again its just "ruins my white viking fantasy"
as if Fenris is on earth
and not a fucking planet that has been resettled twice
Stupid ass fantasy anyway
never noticed space wolves were viking fantasy tbh, probably because I never looked too much into them
SW aren’t Vikings their a stupid caricature of Vikings at best
Correct yea
wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf
Case in point lol
Weren’t they brunette or redheaded?
Raven haired, brunettes, redheads and blondes all existed
tbh black legion and their horned helmets remind me of pop culture vikings more
funny barbarians
Idk if this is a hot take or not: Blonde is overrated

I hate yellow aesthetically so yeah
The entire reason SW dont have horns is because its a chaos aesthetic thing so
another imperium L
Yet again
Eh, Imperials get purity seals spam
vikings never had horns
blonde hair was typically more a thing of celtic and germanic tribes
and unlike common popular uneducated belief, vikings are not celts
on fenris the wolfships are crewed by wolfshipmen 👎
i sitll cant fucking believe that fenris literally has real life cerebus on it
its os stupid
I'd love to see more on the Finrhet Highlanders
and like 3 otehr literla wolf gods
People think they’re Celtic?
yeah
Yup
neonazis usually (how surprising)
I had to explain to someone a traditional breton song was NOT a medieval viking song
Vikings often traded with the Celts, mostly the lowlands and Eastern portion the isle
Yeah it was a misconception
good for you then, because it's a common uneducated belief lol
Vikings traded everywhere
Celts weren't just the Celtic Isles 
Not that they were in Scandinavia but still
they're trying to tie the celtic cross symbolics with vikings, which is a purely nazi thing to do
I know, idk why I said that 
Like the damn Neo-Nazi appropriation of the triskele
Settlers too, look at Rouen and Novgorod
"good for you then" coming from a guy that doesnt understand how important representation is 💀
Of course, but I was referring to the British Isles in particular
yup
Fair fair🫡
unrelated
same wavelenght
good for you
why do these mfers have to patent every cool symbol
The Neo-Nazis will steal everything they can since they can’t use their swastika, triskelion, Celtic cross, Slavic pagan symbols, Imperial German Flag, Iron Cross

It’s because their cringe
because they dont have originality
worst part is you cant even say "oh it will heal/get over in time"
it never will
its forever stained lol
Atleast the Nazi version looks dumb vs the actual triskele
celtic cross is forever tainted
Yeah because their future generations of dumbasses will keep using it now
like the karma symbol from binding of isaac?
I reckon it's more they get conflated into a general vague euro-barbarian thing
Good ole Triskele
A lot of 40k iconography, some LotR one, iirc also seen some with those robot car thingy
triskelion is the funny 3 branch spiral symbol
yeah actual fascist icons are more sharp
and need to look "hostile"

ancient fidget spinner
unrelated image
These are beyond stupid too lol
not sharp, Woke Bearers prevail again
i saw soomeone on twitter make a handpose of the inquila and it literally looked like a nazi pose lmao
Lame shit
777??????
Weak
Looks like a Gen Z brainrot symbol
nazis will try to pretend immigrants threaten celtic nations but then said nazis aren't even native of said nation and don't speak the language
-# Jackpot!
Just put a 6 in the middle
Also my favorite trope with fascist nations
their leader is not even a native of said nation
KEK
thats how nazis work
every fucking itme
Or represent their Ubermenchen standards
Austrians are just mountain germans it's close enough
napoleon wasnt french
cant badtalk our boy Napo
because he uhhh
killed a bunch of people
and was smart
i dunno
Vikings used the sharp friendship wheel sometimes tbf
Tbf, was he a Fascist
He was fat.
more just an imperialist i guess?
I'd say so
he barely even ran the country he overtook lol
Sadly I think Mao is actually Chinese
And the Kim family are indeed Koreans :p
Yeah famous nazis like Odilo Globocnik, Juliusz van den Zelewski, Karel Chiemewlewski and Arthur Zajtich (Seyß-Inquart)
wait
All real people btw
wasnt Kim born OUTSIDE of Korea?
Manchuria
Yeah but he was ethnically Korean I guess
let's glorify murderous power hungry psychos yeeeeeeeeyyyy
yea that
Napoleon was complicated, he styled himself as an enlightened despot and did enact a lot of liberal reforms
I have an unstoppable urge to disembowel every napoleon fanboy/sympathizer I meet
which isnt saying much but lol
Yeah Napoleon just wanted to be an Emperor lol, he didn’t really have strong ideological inclinations beyond me big emperor and me need big army
He spread republican ideals while also making his brothers kings
Doesn't help that both regime that happened before and after him were just utter trash
I mean you can’t blame him for that
Ultraradicalisme followed by ultrareaction
Like he enforced the Napoleonic Code, which ensured equality before the law for everyone and abolished noble priviledge and protected people from being persecuted for their religion
He did it for the love of the game
-# Wuh-oh.
His Napoleonic Code is also the basis for a lot of Civil Law Codes to this day
Think the dude that wrote the 3 Mousquetaire had his grandpa become a General in Napoleon's army
Yeah but he was Xiang chinese so you know
what, not fangirls?/shitpost
same bag
He genuinely swept a ride across Europe coz he accidentally united German states and Italian states
again, I do not do favoritism
It was his father Thomas-Alexandre Dumas
He did also reinforce slavery in Saint Domingue
chuds gonna say woke
And kill Toussaint Louverture
But that was moreso to get landowner support
Still bad and evil
Like most people in history he was a mixed figure
If I remember rightly the only way for Thomas-Alexandre Dumas to get his own son Alexandre Dumas into France legally was to enslave him, bring him in as a slave and then legally free him after arriving.
Defo an Imperialist but he did bring changes that have left a positive impact on Europe
Oh yeah I think I’ve heard of something like that too
If you want to idolise an Imperialist State please idolise my goats the Mongols
Wasn't it more that he was born into slavery because his mother was one but it was illegal in mainland France so he was freed there
Especially Kublai Khan
Or the Achaemenids
Or the Song Dynasty
Or Majapahit
I think I remember some story like that but iirc it's with the US-Uk
Yuan dynasty sucker 🫵
Pax Mongolica enjoyer gang
Probably happened a few times, slavery was a-ok as long as it wasn't at home
I know my ancestors were at the bottom of the social ladder but idgaf it was better than living under Qin and Song was dying already anyway
I only know my grandparents on both sides were already in HK during WW2 Japanese invasion
So my family does not have traumatic memories of fleeing CCP
I know there's a famous court case about it in the UK, because it was law that if a slave set foot in England they became free, but there was a ship full of slaves which was docked at a harbour in England and the Court Case was about whether or not they were technically freed because of it.
My family were literal rice farmers till my grandparents generation on both sides
lol
farm family gang
It was a beautiful 97 years I guess
Somerset v Stewart
My family were anything from that to Jinshi Scholar Officials to the Imperial Dynasty of Song depending on which family member you ask
(And oddly enough they were also lucky enough to only witness minor brutality of the IJA. Not giving the IJA any excuses, but I more mean they saw more of "yelling at random people" bullying and less "Unit 371 experiments".)
Got pretty shit near the end but could’ve been worse
Better than having to
True
The summation of my family history is: Escaped Civil War and my Abuela beat the shit outta my ma.
No matter what Yuan times was bad for “Nan Ren”
My dads side of the family was part of the KMT 
Wow same
lol
Mildly interesting, in 1772 already
They still act like it’s 1925 sometimes
They don’t support the KMT anymore lul
cowards
I feel bad having to tell old ass people that San Min Zhu Yi is not coming to the mainland
Despite their fantasies
My family thinks the current KMT are loons
I mean they kind of are
lol
Their whole China reunification under the KMT idea is batshit insane
lol
They hate my main man Chiang Kai-shek
Oh interesting uh, I think I had some a long time ago but they are dead
Yeah lol
I think chiang would fucking firebomb the current KMT
Chiang would kill everyone there
probably
Chiang would drive a tank in the party conference or flood a river into it
Daily reminder Chiang and Hitler got along
Chaing and Mao if revived would be laughing their asses off
Which tells you a lot
but you know
Chaing would love what mainland China looks like rn
Mao would fucking hate it
lol
It was more an alliance of convenience but he also got along with Stalin at one point, he was a nutjob
Chiang was a socialist but not a communist

And also a facist later
But yknow that
My granduncle has a conspiracy theory that Zhou Enlai was a Chiang plant and that’s why he “made Deng do the modernisations”
Hitler's Wet Dream was Chiang and Imperial Japan to stop fighting and go bully USSR.
Obviously failed massively
There’s so much Deng is a KMT plant theories lol
IJA could never
I mean Zhou Enlai was CKS’ head of propaganda at Whampoa
I don’t buy the conspiracy theory
Are we gonna get rapid fire detachment reveals for factions building up to 11e?
But I see where’s it coming from
Precisely, feels like Imperial Japan was stringing Hitler along for their own shits and giggles
I don’t buy it either
None of the axis liked each other
Hitler thought Mussolini was incompetent(he was)
Mussolini thought Hitler was insane(he was)
They would’ve killed the each other if they won somehow
P much
The Japanese government thought the Nazis were crazy(they were)
The Nazis thought the IJA was insane(they were)
lol
Yeah they just did what they did coz if Hua Guofeng or the Gang got their way China would be a fucking wasteland rn
No to 北京 yes to 東方紅柿
lol
Daily reminder Lin Biao and Zhou Enlai had to stop them from making this real
Tbh Mao not endorsing the Gang of Four was like
The one good thing he did during the cultural revolution lol
Idk what the fuck they were on
Because it setup their eventual downfall
Insanity
Also hungry for power
The cultural revolution was an attempt for them to consolidate power
Using Mao as a figurehead lol
Mao needed the revolution to regain power but idt even he liked what the fuck was happening with the Gang
It’s why they purged Deng
P much
And a lot of other CCP people not aligned with them
They killed Liu Shaoqi too
Yeah
And like 1/4 of the 10 marshals
Tbh it’s crazy Deng almost got fucking executed
RIP Peng Dehuai
Because China prolly would have been pretty fucked
If you want ideological purity you gotta hustle a little what's so wrong with that
Hoi4 mod potential
Some of them purged themselves too
Well yeah
Like Mrs Mao
Jiang Qing the original girlboss
I mean ig it was capitalism but like what the fuck was the alternative
It was capitalism with socialist safety nets and government control
lol
But it also saved China
Yeah
If not for Deng and uh Hu whatever and the modernisations China would probably be hell
Oh also I know someone who keeps Mao’s red book on him always lol
Because that means the Gang of Four run China
Wait
Like an actual red guard
He’s an old man
Oh Okok
They got disbanded
Yeah
He talked about beating anti communists openly
lol
So I think he’d talk about if he killed anyone

Probably for the better considering what the fuck happened
So I have to assume he didn’t kill anyone
If he’s not from Guangxi he’s probably not uh
Like there’s a chance he might’ve not killed poeple
30% wrong
Wait what
Oh phew
I thought you meant he was a Red Guard from Guangxi
I mean uh
Yeah
So probably no cannibalism
Yeah
What the fuck was happening in Guangxi is another mystery
Liek it was so bad I think the Gang of Four had to be kept in the dark about it iirc
Is there a chaos equivilant of a rogue trader?
A rogue trader
A rogue rogue trader

Yeah that
Wei Guoqing was like never punished 💀
random chaos lord doing their business
The negatives cancel out so the opposite is just a Trader
Or, in other words
A traitor

He was
Dude made it pretty far lmbo
No further punishment
He got fired
That’s it
Like what the fuck this guy led the worst massacre in a long fucking time
That he did
He should have been executed
Idk how he got away with it
Esp since he kept criticising Deng too (got him fired)
Bcs Deng wanted to be less evil
I guess
He was just a normal human rights violator
Should’ve taken a page out of the Mao and Chiang book just that once
Chiang’s “fun camp”
Preferably just take him to “Revolutionary Justice Court” show literally just the hellscape Guangxi was for 10 years and take him out back to be kashot
lol
these guys hate the revolutionary spirit
Lmao so what message was it that got you busted
I guess someone likes RockSolid
LMAO I GOT BUSTED FOR THAT ONCE TOO
Never fucking got in trouble for saying anything else in that message but mentioning him got me muted
Yeah this was targeted
100% was
my lesson is delete your messages after a few min if its too sus or just codeword it like i do lol
Gonna have to start speaking in 1773
Among us in real life
However it was who reported me, def works in the IDF
Should've been this instead.
Lmao
Guilliman stronger than me if I woke up to the Imperium in 40k I'd kill myself rather than lead it
Until I got it
Why do you think all of the remaining loyalist Primarchs after the Heresy basically fucked off
who's to say he didn't try but the rope snapped
"I'm gonna chase after the dark Eldar."
True
"But wait what about Chogoris? The Imperium?"
"Man I really need to chase after those dastardly Dark Eldar."
I mean to honest the Khan straight up said he never agreed to the Emperor
So him dipping was just expected
Exactly
It's arguably the funniest part considering like
Every other loyalist at least had some of severe injury/almost death or important quest
Meanwhile the Khan literally jumped at the first excuse to fuck off
My boy Sanguinius would've never ran if he was alive
Bro got the Inverse Teleporter situation from Lethal Company
That's why I like the khan, born to ride
Spawned right in front of the thumper
Considering the state of his home planet and how
He kept it as fucked
I doubt there would've been much change

Actually sounds like an interesting hypothetical
I mean thats kinda what his people wanted as well
Sanguinius as regent for a while. Intentionally keeping the Imperium fucked
But I think Baal would've risen earlier if Sanguinius kept living more for a while tbh
Guilliman, despite being a genocidal warlord like his siblings
At least wants to improve the Imperium quality of life
Cause shocker
People are less willing to turn to things like the Dark Gods if they have like
Food
Water
Lowkey I think he'd have a character development phase after it and genuinely try to improve things the best way he could
Funnily enough the BA are on of the most loyal aside from the Wolfs who are just too dumb to fall to chaos most of the time
So maybe desert planet filled with radiation makes people more loyal
Nah the Wolves definitely have the alcohol
That keeps them loyal
Very rare to get alcohol that can get an Astartes drunk
40,000 years since the hero Himmel's death
Yeah they burn all their IQ away drinking themselves into a dreadnought chassis
Fuck I wish they could, would like SW a little if they had GoW looking Thor
The Wolves actually aren't stupid
Or well exceptionally stupid, all SMs are stupid
GoW Thor was genuinely a delight
Didn't expect the character arc he got
And was genuinely a bit sad to see ||Odin fucking kill him||
Mfw read the book where they get introduced to Primaris
The Black Templars attacked the Custodes who accompanied them ffs
Can't get more stupid than that

The secret killjoy strikes again
Not even the decency to crash out like a real racist
Well yeah its the fucking templars
They're meant to be stupid becuse theyre zealots
They couldn't handle their goat getting slandered
And that's why they're up there in my list of favorites
"whats neat about daemonhosts is they are kinda like stands from jojo for inquisitors" from the owlcat dark heresy discord channel lol
They're so fucking stupid
Making an inquisitor OC called Dio Brando and his daemonhost za warudo...
OKAY MASTA LET'S KILL DA HOE. BEEITCH.
This scene had me cackling when i first watched it bruh
Jjba is so good
Legitimately didn't expect it
Which make me cackle
It also makes sense since Stands are like
The manifestation of the user's soul
So that came from Koichi's soul
I love jojo engrish so much
YES
Making my possessed marine character from my warband be like Venom and just saying "MASK!" every time he switches with the daemon
Honestly Possessed MFS in general are cool
Wish they were used more
Surprisingly rare in fiction to actually fight like
Intentional possession yk?
I think what makes it kinda lame is that either the Host or the Daemon wins out
It's very rare for there to be a symbiotic relationship
Which makes sense but still means you're mainly talking to one individual
Instead of like
Two smashed together into one body
Yeah they're cool, this one is especially cool cause the daemon is supposed to be like, an actual biblical demon
I'm making my warband have a cult of both mortals and space marines who worship "The Old Beast" which is pretty much Satan after waking up and deciding to slowly take his place in the 40k galaxy
So he's like, very volatile and keen-minded
Again, the Warp is severely underutilized
The idea of there being an alt. Realm that's a reflection of concepts
Made literal
It's fucking awesome
Why the fuck doesn't GW detail it more?
More neutral entities would be interesting
Can’t get too weird or you might scare the Marines
You should go read Cosmere books!!!!!
Because
- Person too weak to resist and their soul/consciousness gets crushed
- The daemon doesn't wanna share and wishes full control
Cases of symbiosis are rare because daemons are daemons and they wish everything to kneel down for them
Aware yeah
Still would be interesting for there to be like an equilibrium
Of sorts
Like the consciousness and Daemon are so evenly matched
That it's just a chaotic stalemate
Neither can overtake the other
It's just a constant internal fight
And the result is equally as chaotic
Thats why the Gal Vorkab are peak
Also this is why Argel Tal is one of my favorites
is lorgarwasright2 on twitter chudhammer or wokehammer
was about to say wasnt he and the others like him literally just that? a symbiotic hybrid of daemon and marine?
Which is why he is a favorite
Gal Vorbak
Tes
Yes
i wonder why that hasnt happened anymore
I think its just rare to accomplish
Probably has some extra bullshit
Do all possessed marines be constantly looking deformed or can they go into transformations the moment a daemon takes over?
Probably it requires
A) A daemon that is willing to follow orders
B) SMs that are accepting of their soul basically being used as an advanced flesh light
(tbf it's the word bearers so this requirement might be fulfilled)
After taking a look on the lexi
Its usually like this
Marine has total control normally, but middle of battle: daemon time
C) The Daemon usually has to accept a temporary partnership
Symbiosis is usually very rare
And periods where they aren't in control
Due to probably special circumstances
Either that or are weak enough to be blocked
Outside of being intentionally let out
Either way would be difficult to have both the Marine
And the Daemon
To accept this
Since if I remember correctly. Even some word bearers are
slightly hesitant at the idea of being possessed
💀
Gal Vorbak is the clean drugs the pusher gives to get you hooked and then it gets cut with posessed when you're hooked
is my take
Gal Vorbak?
Raum probably was a free sample
Also
He's awfully candid despite being a daemon
Also even at worst
He is very patient if he was planning on doing some bullshit later
Usually daemons are the opposite of that

And also a matter of pride
The gal vorbak were literally the clean first hit lol
Word Bearer chapter that went in (iirc Eye of Terror) to gain some warp knowledge for Lorgar
Came back possessed
A Daemon willing to
The daemons were playing nice
ooh, ok ty
Freeingly accept symbiosis with a disgusting mortal
Even temporarily if Raum was eventually planning on upending the relationship
Would probably be rare
The daemon that was with Argel Tal at least seemed legit to be "okay"
Daemons generally don't seem to be patient

They seem to have started existing with what is basically
Permanent ADHD
Only willing to wait if it's something they're interested in
And even then this doesn't apply to some
Khorne Daemons moment
Something more scary than a daemon is a patient daemon
kinda reminds me how the khorne berserker champion in DoW sounds uninterested in anything but killing lol
"DRIVE QUICKLY BEFORE I KILL YOU"
"WE NEED A NEW DRIVER! THIS ONE IS DEAD."
"YOU WANT THAT WORTHLESS TRINKET !!???"
Happy day, oh happy day.
I's got my half-track and APV.
:]
I also like how there's literally two voice lines where it's the Berserker going
"Gjdjssjsismalqo"
Just spouting literal gibberish

bro is tuco salamanca
Frothing at the mouth and tweaking out
Overall, Khorne Berserker PoV video game when
Genuinely something that I wished for Boltgun was a DLC where you play as a Chaos SM
Artesia was plenty calm and patient ☝️ 🤓
I still wish it for the sequel
AKSHAHAAWHAHAHAHAHA
-World Eater
Honestly they bring up some pretty decent points.
Khorne Berserker Squad quotes from Warhammer 40.000: Dawn of War
"For the slaughter!"
"Kill... KILL!"
"Why aren't we killing yet!?"
"By Khorne, it will be done"
"This is the last time!"
"I am not your bootlick!"
"As you wish, but set us loose!"
"Don't provoke me!"
"This errand is beneath me"
"I heard you the first time!"
"Uuuaaarrarraaargh!"
"U...
I need a gif of their model tweaking like that one Venom scene
it's part of their animation iirc
make it into a gif
Translation:
"Should we prioritize blood for the blood god or skulls for the skull throne?"
"My comrade in arms, I believe we should prioritize skulls. Blood is important also, but skulls are much less in quantity."
"Both of you are foolish. Simply take out their skulls and bulgeon them with it."
Chaos Mission 5: Crull requires more blood.
Music: Star Trek Nemesis CD 1 - 02 - The Box (Jerry Goldsmith)
10yr old larp
i mean its more because Khorne doesnt care from where the blood comes from
Tbf he does
To a degree.
Torturing someone would be in Slaanesh territory
So he would be unsatisfied
Tbf it still feeds him but like
Not the case of this scenario
I also think Khornate Psykers do still exist
So he doesn't hate Psykers that much
Just hates sorcery in particular
sorcerers of khorne do exist dont they
Yeah but they usually have to use a lot of blood
It's like covering vegetables in ranch

Blood Pact has some
https://youtu.be/6WEWuOERVmI?t=223 funniest moment in warhammer gaming
The Black Legion undergoes a change of leadership.
Eh, not really, at least not in the manner that the other Chaos god have specific spells/techniques
They do use some to create gates for deamons to cross though
whats his name makes little sense lore wise, a psyker fallen to khorne and making a deal/allying with a great unclean one
What
ulkair my beloved
the blood raven's chapter master and chief librarian
Tbh
oh and the daemon that corrupted him to khorne was the daemon Angelos freed at the end of DOW1
fair it is still playing with fire even more than normal
Non of the chaos god gets along.
I think in Black Crusade if a psyker goes khorne aligned they just lose their psy rating, which I find a little funny
Hence they are different entities and not a single unique one.
what do you mean John Chaos isnt real
Really like this guy in this image
he just be sitting
He has had a whole day
Crazy that forum board humor always get adopted by larpers
Same vibe
If it gets popular enough it no longer stays forum humor
Also a lot of larpers are in these insular forums
To anyone in chat who’s made homebrews, do you guys have any methods for coming up with faction names or oc names?
Think'en bout it
See I’ve tried that but my brain doesn’t always come up with something 
Is this for your Rockabilly Orlocks
For names I fumble around with gibberish that has the sounds I want and then modify until it sounds enough like a name.
Like my Hive Scum is "Kerisk" from be just gibbering around with K-sounds and going from there
Or you find a word and corrupt it likes its been through 38k years of language maeatgrinder
for making a chaos lord you take a name like gary glitter and grimdark it
Jokes aside, for my space marines I just took names from the Goths almost wholesale
Gariah Refulgent
Boom
Its 40k
Its that easy
it works
The best name I ever came up with for a 40k character wasnt even my own character
It was my friends Cawdor gang leader
Candlestick Jack
Something like uh, Gharion Ghlitterax of the pervert scrungaloids
Candlejack? Isn't that the guy wh
Ghar Glitrak of the Emperors Children
yea
These methods work
My acquaintance made a Night Lord called Eemz which stood for eat my ass
warhammer character names are pretty much dad jokes
Life has many doors, edboy
Ye
That’s actually genius holy shit
Think what sounds cool and fits within the existing framework of 40k
you can use literal gibberish
lol
if ou want
Sometimes they just fish out nordic names and call it a day and it never stops striking me as odd
does anybody know if the new(er) SoB killteam has an option for all sallet helmets? Celestial Insidiants I think?
Doesn't look like it, unless you fish out some spare heads from elsewhere
They have 10 helmets
You hate drip?
yes
wait is the sallet just a visorless mold and you can glue the visor as you want to?
dang
open visor would go hard
i dont mind no helmets but i dont want to paint hair like at all
Wait so do you just want 10 regular SoB helmets?
Decided to name the gang “The Leather Idols,” named after Billy Idol, a modern rockabilly punk singer who was popular in the 70s and 80s
zesty
Warhams could stand to get a little of those vibes back
Anything to make my acquaintance stop saying warhams has no jokes or humour anymore
my dark skitarii are affectionately named "Leatherboys" due to the black leather coats
also a reference to a 80s german gay metal song
No the helmets are different for the new killteam
Yeah
I’m building mine all helmets
wack
I have a helmet lol
Lmfao
Prob not
Does it taste good?
it's sweet
sure go on
Grandpa drank that shit you get from a compass and it didn't hurt him none
me do
uh I think I toned it down to match skull emoji and forgot to turn it back to lego color
💀 👍🏻
you could be
im not
So you want the new helmets from the kit?
If so most SoB units come with enough helmets to equip the entire squad
damn neco arc is cool
They actually have more helmets than squad members lol
There’s like 3 extra
what's the instruction manual lying for then
I am a Black Man, but on the inside I have a White French Catholic soul- Toussaint Louverture
Real quote
Brother you dont gotta tell me who Billy Idol is
No idea
BillyPunch'd
Tbf he was the biggest uncle Tom for the french
When my mom was an exchange student in Italy in the 1980s she knew a genuine 80s goth girl that dressed in all black, black hair, all that. She carried a lock of Billy Idols hair she obtained somehow
He was and very unapologetic about it
That’s awesome lol
and your mom didn't hit it and instead went home to have you, historic -2
But could you feasibly travel out of the Milky Way?

