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A wonderful change to Two Face's origin story
Since usually it's just a random ass gangster
Having Bruce ||ACCIDENTALLY CAUSE THE INCIDENT||
Is peak tragedy
And also gives a convenient reason on why Bruce doesn't like
Kill Two-Face
My favorite design of him too
Like compared to the Joker where it's just based on a moral standpoint
Having it be personal
I love that militaristic yet battered and worn chemist look
Makes sense on why he would just beat them up
Speaking of personal touches to villains
I like Telltale Batman
remember when for some reason they made you do a weird fucking red light green light minigame where you fought skeletons
Especially with what they did with the Joker
why would batman be afraid of skeletons
yeah i hated that shit
I genuinely think having the Joker be like
Batman's friend originally
Is perfect
Like this is such a perfect interpretation of him
tbh as far as hallucinated fights go in arkham games the mad hatters were a lot more fun than scarecrows
honestly i see the joker's villany as a big prank on batman overall
Bro had to sew his face on after Killer Croc fucked him up

That’s not his face he sewed back on
and im pretty sure in arkham knight part of why they gave him such a cool design and look is because they knew he was gonna be the big baddie for most of the game and thus invested resources into him
It’s like the material potato sacks are made of
if there were no batman the joker would probably be a libertarian or something
Honestly
I think they should embrace the fanfics and unironically have Batman and Joker be Ex's.
Eversor looking a

this is intentional because thats what they made scarecrows out of lol
Yeah
To think we had Arkham Knight teased to us in Arkham City
But very few actually take the step to
scarecrows taunt speeches that he says throughout the whole game are pretty good too
Actually have the Joker be someone who Batman personally was invested with
Either as a friend, boyfriend, etc.
I more like the idea of how Origins did it
Like it fixes his main issue of
" give up batman, you cant save them. FEAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
while i get the dynamic the joker and batman being exes would make for a ridiculous timeline i think
and they already did like, batman is bruces dad and the joker is bruces mom i think?
Is there anyway I could homebrew an Arkham Knigth Scarecrow inspired character into 40K?
honestly if i lived in gotham i would be a big death penalty advocate
Yeah it definitely would be. But it could be interesting in an alt. Take.
origins INTRO to joker was unbelievably good, they didnt just have him pop out of a box, the build up to his reveal and his dastardly nastiness was really good, especially with the whole " this mysterious guy just made black mask shoot his girlfriend after beating him up"
or at least prison reform in the sense of the prisons need to have functional walls and stuff
I always like Batman being compassionate towards his foes
And his theme is a remix of Carol of the Bells
the track twisted and playing the reveal fully comes to fruition
yeah batmans monologue over it " someone truly evil did this" is awesome
Which is why BTAS is still a favorite of mine
I like him trying to help his villains recover
To be sympathetic towards those that arguably don't deserve it
gotham courts be like "for 85 counts of murder i sentence you to the same facility you've escaped from 5 times"
Has Two Face been slowly becoming more and more of an anti villain?
a tragic one id say
two face has always been like uh
well random?
It's complicated.
Basically there are several interpretations
a lot of two face stuff seems to focus more on his tragic origins rather than all the stuff he gets upto when hes already two face
You know what I want to see more of?
Some have him be more like an anti-hero, some have him outright turn crazy, etc.
Hannibal Lector Calander Man
two face does what the author wants based on what the author decides the coin lands on or whatever
ah calendar man
I loved him in The Long Halloween
calendar man , hush and zsasz need an arc of their own where they stealthily serial kill 10 people per night without getting caught in gruesome ways
Honestly my favorite interpretation is from BTAS. Although they threw it away overtime which is fucking sad.
That Two-Face still wants justice. But the problem is that he knows that organized crime can't be permanently "driven away".
So instead he tries to regulate it himself
By becoming a mob boss
dogwelder the super"hero" who welds dead dogs to people
That way at least some aspect of crime can be controlled
Discworld type shit
his superpower's origin is hilarious too
ITS AN EGYPTIAN CURSE
its revealed that his power stretches back through an ancient line of dogwelders back to a pact with anubis in ancient egypt and he dies welding together sirius A and sirius B, the dogstars
Can’t he weld anything to anything as long as he uses a dog?
Organized crime is 100% controllable, so just give them public guilds like everyone else
hey, it worked for Hawkman
(depending on continuity lmao)
we call this "the fraternal order of police" in the US
this sounds like an invincible side quest lmao
I actually find that interesting. Because like... Two Face is right to a degree. Crime cannot really be driven away. It makes sense that he wants to essentially become the Arbitrator of the underworld.
And I desperately wish for a storyline where Two-Face is permanently like that
Someone who tries to "regulate" the seedy underworld of Gotham
i thought it was really stupid in the movies that hes like "WHY DIDNT YOU SAVE RACHEL" and batman doesnt just go "the joker didnt say who was where and i guessed wrong"
Could I make a Scarecrow esque Rogue Trader in 40K?
prob
With Batman flipflop ping between working together and fighting two face
honestly half of magos biologis are basically scarecrow
cant be that heard to give him a potato sack and choose fear themed options everytime
Like Harvey's separate identities. Batman has to contradict himself
and the other half are bane
Have him make secret deals with the Drukhari and mastering psychological warfare
psychology-effecting gasses already exist in 40k
stop tying everything to major factions dummy
That simplifies that
the imperium would be a great place to study fear and stress hormones
its called earths breathable atmosphere?
just do your idea as it is
What should the crew be looking like?
Have him be an Inquisitor who loves the most painful ways to extract ""information"" out of his foes
the imperium probably worked out fear suppression at some point but realized it just got the subjects killed the way people who cant feel pain will burn themselves on a stove
To the point where it's unnecessary even on the false belief that torture actually works
I love silly characters in books
Is a silly little jester character
Knows he’s about to be obliterated by a god
Uses his last 5 seconds of existence to make a Yo Mama joke at said god before being vaporized instantly
a fearless guardsman is one who dies worthlessly
I mean I think the imperium scientists probably have already mastered synthesizing drugs for human beings to do most things, like they have stuff like eversor assassins and shapeshifting jamba juice
yeah
Based character
some of that is DOAT i think
It also usually shortens their lifespan tbf
yeah thats acceptable
but fearless is easier than the eversor package
From 30 to 25
Which is why Sphess Marinez have the geneseed.
also is the geneseed like an actual seed if you hold it in your hand
i mean becoming an eversor gives you a lifespan of like 6 months i think they just keep you in stasis all the time 
A method to just make the drugs permanent while not having them die from a heart attack randomly
no its like a kidney
It looks like a weird fleshy organ
mmm
its a seed in the sense that you can grow all the space marine organs from it
yeah
Apparently they can also detox and be just fine.
Which is probably the wildest thing about being an Eversor
huh
i was under the impression that they were permanently on a slide towards exploding
i really like the stasis drop pods
Genuinely dirty mountain dew zero sugar cream soda dew is one of the bottom 3 worst sodas I’ve ever had
They still are. There's just a way to not "detonate" it.
"we keep em frozen until about 3 seconds before the killing"
Very rarely do they ever detox. Usually it's only those that are
Really successful
And are worth keeping around for more than just
Murder
Usually as trainers for future murderers
i love that story about the governor who manages to swing an eversor to protect him from a solitaire

Its your idea, you gotta build it
But Dilara. You have to spoonfeed the ideas.
the collateral damage is immense and the eversor eventually detonates, killing the solitaire but also the governor 
If I go the Inquisitor route I kinda want to make the Inquisitor someone who was an Imperial Guardsman and witnessed countless horrors to the point his psyche was broken and developed Psychopathy. He was taken by an inquisitor and worked under him before being recommended to become an inquisitor by that inquisitor. Now he’s a plague doctor inspired master of chemical and psychological warfare who takes the freedoms of his position to the extreme.
But idk if a guardsmen can even become an Inquisitor
Yeah that's usually why detoxing is rare
Because they usually don't last enough to get the privilege

Also
A video game as an eversor
Would be fucking great
thats what warframe is
I imagine something like Ultrakill
You have to murder to keep the adrenaline up high
If you don't, you start to weaken
playing garuda is just like being an eversor
I considered playing war frame
its good!
its actually free!
a few things require premium currency but you can earn premium currency through player trading
Genshin is actually free arguably. Most end game content can be cleared as an F2P.
HSR isn't though. Powercreep central.
Despite the lore, story, and even base gameplay being fucking fantastic
a pair of weapon slots costs 12 platinum which if you're lucky is one 5 minute run for a corrupted mod lol
May I suggest a third brainworm
there is nothing in warframe you actually need to spend real money on with the exception of skins by community members, which need to be real money for royalties
HSR basically has a lot of Grimdark elements despite not being Grimdark.
It's basically almost as bad as 40k
I'm not even joking
the other side of this is ‘lol get ready to GRIND’
dont you need to spend money to get more than 3 frame slots though
like to own more than 3 actual suits
but idr exactly
tbh if you're willing to do some of the annoying stuff people dont want to like khal or corrupted mod vaults its fast
i got a 75% off coupon and bought the biggest platinum pack since i'd already played like 400 hours and figured they'd earned $50
thats probably all the plat i'll ever need
Yeah, I just find the ‘chase the bits to then have to cook the parts to cook the frame/gun/dog’ kinda… unsatisfying
the gameplay is great, thats the thing I like
Like your planet can literally just be destroyed by the several forces.
And y'know the Chaos Gods?
Imagine instead of 4, there was actually 18. All equally as powerful.
Tbf they're more neutral than Chaos Gods. But almost all of them cause billions of deaths as a consequence of their existence.
the foundry is kinda whatever
but I like using more than 2 or 3 frames too
blueprint farming is trivial
my main frames are nekros, hydroid, caliban, garuda, and valkyr
Also it's not like you can move out
Because there's literal lovecraftian gods
oh and vauban
On the outside of the HSR known universe
laati
the vauban overhaul was fucking insane what were they thinking
mines apply viral stacks if you subsume nourish onto him too
I remember playing War frame a little bit when I was 12 and finding it fun
youve replied to yourself like 5 times in a row 
But the tutorial was kinda ass and because I was 12
Can Scarecrow’s Syringe glove work in 40K?
I kinda lost interest
Yeah
depends
they've done a lot to the game over the years
on whom hes using it on
Power Fists exists ffs
I’m sticking with the Inquisitor idea, so idk if they have access to being able to make and use something like that
also the last time I played waframe the newest frame was wukong prime i think
My other problem with Warframe was: I wanted to play 1999, and the game said ‘okay but you need to do literally every other thing first’ and I just bounced
Injector glove filled with fear drugs is small in comparison
onboarding is kinda weird still but you mostly just do quests and the starmap and eventually you'll figure it all out
Oh definitely
injector gloves are known kit you see on a variety of admech types
The only ones who can beat Inquisitors are Chaos and Deldar
In terms of the torture department
deldar like them too i think
also I think I had rhino, ash prime, volt, oberon, excalibur guy?, hydroid
syringe fingers is just a classic
and loki
I assume Inquistor Scarecrow is a radical
You could have him use some
Dark Eldar implements
For some
Enhancement
with the exception of vauban all my mains are primes yeah

I’m imagining they look like this but also wear a gas mask as a way to be more distant emotionally and from a human standpoint
rhino was fun but i ate him for roar
Loki was really fun to use I remember, he had like a sick different dimension using thing
thats limbo
oh limbo
loki does clones and invisibility
If he's Puritan. You're gonna have some issues with equipment tho
Radical in the sense of perfecting tools of psychological warfare and torture by any means available
also I had ash prime and he had a crazy teleport all over the place thing that chained Forever but then they nerfed it
Does it introduce you slowly
i have heard of the ash days
both
Since that's a problem with a lot of older mmo games
yeah hed do those teleport attacks for like a full 2 minutes
yes in the sense that the various tasks unlock over a pretty long period of time
I don't like suddenly having a bunch of shit I don't know suddenly like
Jammed into my eyes
And then constantly being hand held into being like
"THIS IS HOW TO WIPE YOUR ASS!!"
Like yeah I know that. Tell me what the fucking other things are.
Please stop telling me that M1 is to shoot
What the fuck is a over-crit
like you get to fortuna and learn the faction mechanics, then you get some more factions and get introduced to the various weird areas like the zariman or labs, then you get stuff like netricells and archimedia
I should just see the all new frames theyve added since 2017, itd be good entertainment for me
thats the last time I played it
How's the endgame
if your crit is over 100% you can apply the crit modifier twice
Is it cancer?
endgame is good
also iirc excalibur prime was like this super rare frame
that wasnt available anymore
excalibur prime was only acquired by buying the game in 2013
along with skana prime and lato prime
but excalibur umbra is better anyway
theres a skana prime??
yes but you cant get it lol
Should I make this homebrew Inqusitor an intelligence specialist gathering as much info and sabotaging any and all Xenos communications?
its a sword
along with lato, the most basic pistol
Apparently PlayStation is doing a fuckup right now
PS4 and PS5 users need to connect to the internet every 30 days to keep the games they bought digitally?
you can get a lato vandal and a prisma skana though which are as good as the primes afaik
soma is good
im pretty sure it was called soma
yeah a lot of people just use it, its very reliable
or used it rather
the machine gun with the crazy magazines
yeah big rof
it has a really good incarnon now
a what?
which is a whole endgame thing
once you complete the starmap to get steel path you can play a game mode called duviri circuit on steel path difficulty and unlock incarnon forms for certain weapons that let them transform
also sometimes id get carried so hard tbh, these randoms would join the game with completed builds and slaughter everything at the speed of light
usually heavy attack with 6x combo for melee and headshots for guns
lots of nekros primes, because it was newer and nekros is like a farming champ
oh yeah warframe you can make a frame that's good enough for end game content and then you can make BUILDS
nekros has desecrate which means bonus loot
you still see him a lot as a result, same with hydroid and khora
also I remember using hydroid on those defense missions because he can cc
oh man you probably played nekros before precision intensify lol
and his cc aoe is so big you can just hold people submerged forever and troll your team because they have nothing to hit
they added an alternate intensify that is only your 4th ability but its 99% power lol

mix with the corrupted mod
idr the mods
i think the most i modded a frame was rhino and among other things i gave him a massive hammer and put really high attack speed on it
theres a mod called blind rage that caps out at 99% intensity -55% efficiency
i have some heinous fucking builds
my caliban prime build is devastating
i got no clue who caliban is lol
one of these days i should just watch a vid of all the frames, id probably enjoy seeing all the loads of new ones
he summons sentient minions and has a special status called tau that makes enemies more vulnerable to status effects
i liked wukong too, but only aesthetically, i think he wasnt very good though, at least at that time
i summonmaxxed him and use an augment that makes my movement ability that groups enemies also give them 70% attack speed and electrical damage, and also have a mod that gives me energy regen when an ability does electrical damage
so i just fly in like a top, my 3 guys blast the shit out of the pile of enemies, i have full energy again
ortholysts
did you play before Sentients
also I remember liking volt too, because you could maximize warframes high speed gameplay
that boy used to move
yeah i got no clue what sentients is
he summons the robots that the orokin made and then when the robots came back to kill them they made the tenno who killed the orokin instead
i remember orokin
I recently got into Warframe a bit again, it does bop but I don't like some of the new bits
dude if you liked volt gameplay you'd love gauss gameplay
i played shortly after the update where they revealed the tenno were controlling the frames remotely and they basically looked like lil kids
which my group wasnt happy about , because they all fantasized being the guy in the suit , like a fuckin ninja or some shit
did they even have the Man in the Wall
rap tap tap
I played back when ash prime was unnerfed lol, thats like more than 6 years roughly
this is the 4th ability of gauss, it scales with duration and this is not including my other duration buffs
he also has a 30m/s dash
Were you around for Harrow, the Man in The Wall got teased a bit then
i have a build with gauss i just call blender mode
also volts aesthetic design was super bland
dont think so
I liked playing as Revenant Prime.
Turn Mesmer Shield on, turn brain off
you've missed... a lot of lore
did they ever at some point have an update where you could walk around on a mission like its an open world or something?
i played bfore that
yeah i remember hearing about, i didnt play that stuff, id left it by then
oh man if you never played those you didnt even have a k drive much less archwing or necramech lol
Plains of Eidolon was like 2017
It was a bit eh as far as my memory goes
for long distances
Still forever burned out by Scalet spear.
well the gameplay was good, but it used to get really repetitive, the missions would just start looking the same
at that time
Yeah I'd play nuke frames and just fall asleep during missions
theres still a bit of that but theres a lot of very different stuff to do now
you can still build nuke frames but thats just the game
yeah someone told me at the plains of eidolon time theyve basically remade whole chunks of the game, so im sure its very different now
wait god was heart of deimos even in the lore at that point
no it must have been i think lua is after that
heart of deimos does trigger something in my memory
or maybe its an ad i saw idk
the tenno piloting warframes psychically is actually good lore once you learn what the warframes are 🙂

yeah Idr anything about most of the lore lol
OH
i remember this guy
CLEM?
that mfer
he was some grineer
i think he was on our side or something
CLEM
clem works for darvo and hes the best
hes like a pokemon for some reason they never explain
excalibur Umbra after some damage
people had some really crazy excalibur designs
like theyd invest so much effort into excalibur you wouldnt be able to tell 2 of them apart
especially people with excalibur prime
oh my oberon had the same color scheme
i remember white red and gold looking pretty good on obe
i also remember finding him very comfy to use, he wasnt super strong but he had heals or something
they buffed oberon kinda crazy style recently
like his 1 just removes overguard shields and armor now iirc
i ate him though
idk if that was in the game
Audrey III
thats the source of some of the real crimes, subsuming
i put grendel's nourish buff on a lot of frames
the ways it applies are... alarming
whats eating him
you've missed out on a lot of very cool frames and some very unique weapons
uhhh... one of the doors in the orbiter is meaty
you can go behind that eventually
also I remember at that time everything was available as f2p except for being able to unlock all the storage to actually hold all the frames
you could craft them all but you couldnt actually own them
you still need plat for that but its easy enough to sell things
but the subsume system gives you something to do with mastered frames
I meant what do you mean by eating him lol, like do you trash him and get resources
you basically expend them to unlock a specific ability of theirs you can transfer to other frames
so like, i mastered grendel then i subsumed him and now i can put his nourish skill on other frames
its a defined active per frame
1 abilty per frame
not always the same slot
but you can create some bs combo.
grendel only gives nourish, oberon only gives smite, etc
so can you just craft more grendels and put nourish on everyone
you only need to eat him once
it costs more resources to put it on stuff
refarming grendel would suuuuuck
well, making new frames isnt a small task either, i suppose its a great tradeoff if you never wanna play a frame again
ESO refarming sucked even more.
i often do it with the base frame and then keep the prime frame
yeah id do that
like subsume valkyr keep valkyr prime etc
i wouldnt play a base frame if I had the prime, just for my personal conscience or something
or if i master a frame but dont care for it
That's what I've done every time, yeah
I gotta have my prime warframe collection
oh huh i guess that makes sense, never tried
I played up to the 1999 update.
so how do you get more plat ingame, you can only buy it with rl money right
I kind of quit before, too.
I stopped just before 1999, started again last week
Still have 10k plat in bank, lol.
but things you get ingame, or things youve already bought with rl money
I farmed a lot of shit.
things you get in game
Warframe makes shit ton of money doing this.
i was earning platinum by doing corrupted vault runs and selling rare prime blueprints
which is just relic cracking
Though the dev actually care about the game and the players are ok with their monetisation.
whales support F2P basically lol since the in game market prices most stuff so high
i mean you can still get a decent amount of frames to use before you reach the storage cap, also everything else you can get ingame
but the best part about the game is getting to use different frames
every time you get something from the story you get a free slot for it to be in and you get a lot more stuff from the story now
(also events etc)
kubrows and kavats
yeah
they added a bunch more beasts
vulpaphylas and predasites each have 3 varieties and have some modular stuff
aaight, Ima watch all the new warframe trailers and see all the new frames
panzer vulpaphyla is the meta dog because its a big viral applicator but the true meta companions are dirigia or nautilus
nautilus groups enemies like crazy and dirigia is a status propagator
mother of christ
why is all trailer and teaser compilation video 1 and a half hours long

= KILL
The best weapons in Warframe can’t even be bought with plat lul
DE just made the incarnon grind god awful for the love of the game
ALSO WHY IS WERNER HERZOG IN A WAFRAME TRAILER
Wally
the incarnon grind is not that bad unless you want all of them for some reason
They also designed them to look in just such a way I don't like them much visually
the real crime
of all fucking things werner, a trailer for waframe
Yeah I don’t like how they look 💀
How much did they pay him
Is my question lol
yeah the looks are kinda wack
They're so stupid strong dog
All the ones you can buy with plat are like
Meh
Compared to some of the ones on the dreaded circuit rotation
cav will sell you any incarnon on rotation for plat but like... play circuit for 45 minutes
No
He only sells one specific rotation
lol
have you looked lately?
he sells the zariman incarnons like laetum and phenmor
but he also has ANOTHER shop
where you can buy the incarnon genesises on rotation
Yeah I’m talking about that one
Did they change it so that it’s the full rotation now
lol
Rather then just a few
yeah that matches what's on steel path now
Lame
its not worth it
they're so expensive
Eh, I got my lich tenet plinx I don't need no incarnon. I cba waiting for the rotation
I am allowed to bitch about this
bounty rotations are a pain too
Ngl dual toxocyst was my favorite gun
And it got an incarnon
So now I just look like a meta slave lmao
Bcs of how broken that shit is
i use dual coda toxorcas now a lot and they're REAL good
yeah the infested weapons have... a style
i use the toxorcas, bassocyst, and hirudos and dont really like the others
I'm a little freak who went all in on the veldt for some reason
i still dont really have a preferred primary?
i have a bunch of secondaries and melees i really like
primary i use like... latron incarnon
Whenever you shoot it
Mine is daikyu but lol, lmao
Precision weapon moment
I think my default loadout was veldt/corinth prime, akmagnus prime, and nikana prime
Did they add a daikyu prime yet
bassocyst can teleport you into a finisher with the alt fire and they straight up didnt give it an animation
At this point just give every precision weapon bouncing with headshots as a mod
Yeah and it’s fucking great
holy moly
I'm gonna have to get that I've whinged about not having a daikyu prime for actual years
Bcs
lol
People don’t like precision weapons a ton
But I’ll never let go of daikyu smh
It’s like my stupid chud son
Also you have like psuedo AOE with the electric daikyu build
i am missing the lower limb for daikyu prime but i have a bunch of relics it can come from ill have it at some point
I ended up using dread and rakta cernos and complaining about not having daikyu prime for so long
dread got an incarnon
they added a new compressed damage number option lmao
once your dps passes a certain point you get a popup that goes "hey do you want to make these 6 digits shorter"
That's for cowards
They even added a trumna prime, I've missed so much
Warframe
i still need to get fucking vox solaris rep to make a 717 amp
The frame that was new when I quit the game now has their prime vaulted.
a few times!
I'm interested
lol
she has a very long tongue I saw it for myself
Oh right, they have a dating sim built in the game.
1999 is Albrecht fucking around
I did The Old Peace and started 1999 this week and I'm not entirely sure what's going on but as long as I get to kill things
XX99 is just 1899
idk how marie has legs like that when shes unable to walk
But DE is cagey with the year for 0 reason
waifubait, thanks rebecca
kaelli is my #1 "hear me out" 
DE is on a gooner train for a long time.
Both male and female.
Damn if you look up Eleanor Nightingale in gifs her weird freaky ass tongue attack is the second gif, how not surprising
But that’s just subjective taste
Brother, the Ash deluxe is so...
I genuinely despise them, don't like protoframes much either but I can let them slide
The protoframes are w/e
It’s Albrecht fucking around
Because he has almost 0 ethics
lol
Don't be mean to the abusive gay man
the protoframes were kinda just so DE could have characters and i think leadup for soulframe?
but they're not actually the prototypes for the frames so its a weird name
Despite the names
Doesn’t warframe have a funny fish voiced by Astarion?
Soulframe is literally DE trying to make a Soul game.
albrecht and loid is a toxic old man yaoi relationship
They’re not full frames so proto is technically valid
lol
It’s still a shit name
Imo
Yeah Fibonacci
Warframe itself is a parody of many other things.
He’s a big Norg
here's the tribute, don't be mean to us
it implies they're prototypes but they're, afaik, derivatives
Find Albrecht because he has plan to deal with Wally
Wally wants to fucking destroy everything and sentence everyone to the torment nexus
The animals are a bit odd, I should be allowed to put them in the void
like albrecht made the excalibur serum from the excalibur strain then gave it to arthur and its not a time loop thing
Anyways Old Peace is just the operator having funny PTSD
the indifference is also a terrible name lol
called the indifference
very rarely indifferent
It is a hateful thing
As you do, Wally did nothing wrong
Albrecht is just dumb
Wally did a lot wrong
not in my books
The drifter or whoever just shouldn't have made a reality of getting executed repeatedly or whatever that was
That’s not Wally
it's their own fault naturally
albrecht is doing SOMETHING and no one knows if any of it is gonna work and im convinced he doesnt either
Yeah, it wasn't Wallys fault
The zarimen is literally Wally’s fault
Ignore the rest that's wallys fault
It drove all the adults insane
And had them hunt down, kill and eat the children
Lol
duviri DID get interfered with by albrecht lol
Yeah
It happens, everyone makes mistakes. I get to pilot golems now
Waiter waiter more PTSD for the child soldier please
tbh the indifference doesnt really seem to be doing anything that bad but we also dont really know what its up to
It's good for them, they love it. See Rell, he came off it great
It wants to probably torture us for eternity
the indifference does like, local bads
Considering what it says
my friend repeatedly failed the autism test in that quest
Wally created a different reality just for the sake of it.
It loves to watch people suffer.
its not blowing up the sun like ballas
i guess now with void touched nef and rusalka wally IS causing real problems in realspace

Ballas is my favorite naracistic abuser
ballas was in the top 7 worst orokin executors
You want to be chained up, too?
The Old Peace felt like half a story, which I assume is intentional, but it once again proves my dedication to Ballas is correct
i do like that roathe points out "hey you know how you're worried about how the indifference IS everywhere? do you think that has something to do with the thousands of copies of its fingers spread across the solar system"
Probably somehow
my railjack is named Fueled By Fingers
I remember going noting how many fingers there are once I saw the one in the railjack
theres a line someone says offhand
i think its cy
someone asks how many relics there are and he says "less than there used to be. well at least as long as the originals are still sealed"
so they presumably replicate themselves
Old Peace is just the operators funny ptsd journey and is a sequal to 1999
Technically
It’s Yonta
She’s talking to cav
ah
That sounds like Cy
yeah regardless there's a finger in every voidship
which isnt most of the spaceships
i think its implied since we know they use void based travel
Man I want good railjack missions
Getting off them to do normal mission stuff is a snoozefest to me
they were going to build a solar rail at tau so apparently they've got some real range and are comparably fast to reliquary drives or faster
We’re getting new railjack missions
railjack i mostly play skirmish because the resources are good helminth food
There is a rail in Tau, it’s just broken
i do it for the double credit mission after the daily reset often
The origin system end of it is in Outer Terminus
That's what I get for taking a break since however long ago I stopped playing
Mesa deadass needs buffs nowadays
Well
Prolly not another
But ballistic battery could do with one I’d say
Jar Jar binks complaining he's too weak
I think mesa had a gunslinger aesthetic that appealed to a lot of people too
Darth jar jar
it makes me so annoyed that roathe keeps sending me messages like "you know the indifference was created by albrecht it didnt already exist right? you guys are so dumb" and you dont have the option to say "it doesnt matter shut up"
mesa is very much out of meta
Depending on what meta you talk about.
Is there any frame that you can't make stupid busted now with archon shards
For general survival framing without moving, she is still good.
Ngl even without archon shards every frame is fucking nuts now
lol
Power creep moment
For high wave and night waves, maybe less.
limbo was janky and strong in 2016 too LOL
" aaight ima just step in this dimension here for a bit"
" oh and il bring that grunt with me"
Pablo taking over moment or just general power creep
Ember is still one of the fastest relic speed run frame.
Mod power creep.
Pablo reworking stuff just makes it strong
Inaros isn’t shit anymore
Well
He’s still kinda shit
But he’s not gets grazed once at high levels and instantly vaporizes because no gating
Inaros even when he was survival meta was boring as fuck.
such cases
I already got to be nigh on immortal I wonder how strong I can make my excal umbra now
Loki is by far the most boring ass fucking Warframe
is discord just eating dookie
My friend picked Loki as his starter frame way back when and he gets teased about that pitiable thing to this day
discord crashed lol
yeah
Rip Discord
My bad y’all I sat down and caused a ripple through the airwaves interrupting communication to the servers
why did you do this
I just wanna trash talk Loki please
My bad, y'all. I gots hungry.
but how does one eat discord?
The right Ratmen in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.
it begins
What are you printing
remodelling entirely in solidworks because im baller like that
Solidworks is stupid and evil
get on my chakra level
i made this model in 3 days
Yeah I could probably match that
is that a challenge
I just think Solidworks is stupid and evil
wanna race a model?
No
Its not even niche being solidworks CSWA certified is an industry skill
my curse is being ridiculously good at things nobody cares about
certified is one thing
ive had to use so many parts of solidworks that most people never see
and the part that sucks is it's not my field of work!
so i cant even use it in a job setting
no matter how good i am
South Carolina Senator will use all his power to retake Constantinople
he played college football
What is so dangerous about the primaris surgeries?
Dreg gunner!
They basically tear you apart and make you a new body from scratch
You can see it in SM2 after Titus wakes up from the surgery
His entire body is sewn back together, a scar running all around his neck
In lore there’s a term for firstborn who survive the surgey: Crossing the Rubicon
I believe it was either Dante or Calgar who crossed the Rubicon first
(named characters always survive the procedure)
Yeah
honsou did daemonculaba
honsou did a lot of infighting with iron warriors and at some point wants to mee peter turbo
primarchs always gotta have the most unnecessary armour
Perty’s armor is basically a walking command center
mega walking command center
->never communicates what he's doing with his allies
autism pro max
The funniest part is the United Nations has nothing to do with it, it was a decision made by the Turkish government that was opposed/condemned by like literally every major organisation and the Turkish opposition
Bro's just randomly throwing the UN under the bus for a decision that Turkey made internally
why does he even care
Because the damn Muslims taking over our chuches
it's a greek orthodox church
With the help of the World government
imagine voting for senator and all he does is intervene with foreign nations
mfer you're supposed to represent me
Orthodox, Catholic, the other ones we all stand together in worship of our Protestant god.
I legit cannot think of any reason other than he's appealing to the Greek-Americans for votes lmfao
That cannot be a noticeable voting bloc
def not lol
at least it's not israel i guess
this guy is doing side missions
Just wait tere will be another tweet about how the solution would be to transfer control to Israel so they can "manage it"
HOLY SHIT that could actually be the plan there
They would manage it alright
coincidentally during a time when israel is threatening turkey
israel would just turn it into a hebrew temple anyways
Dumbass night question that I can actually discuss for once.
Assume you want to create a villain that your are mostly (if not clearly) not meant to sympathise with.
My question is this: how do you write an unsympathetic villain such that the reader tolerates them for the sake of the story, without the reader deciding that because the villain is absolutely unsympathetic, they become fully disengaged?
How does one draw the line?
make them a rapist
worked for Kobe Bryant
uhh make em competent i guess
a villain just doin evil things just because, doesnt seem interesting, at least imo
Uh…I need context 😅
make them comically evil
anyone here big on genetics?
uh idk ask the science nerds
Charisma
Handsome Jack is the best example
Sure because of Pre-Sequel you can maybe sympathize with him, but in BL2? Yeah no he’s an asshole all the way and he’s amazing for it
Make the villain someone you love to hate
Freddy Krueger (The OG not the 2010 remake one) is another example
ahh, well yeah not that part, just as a villaine you love to hate department
Darth Vader is another example of charisma
But not in having a lovable personality, but by being a dominating presence
Everytime he shows up he demands your eyes on him
For 40K look at Trazyn
If you want a villain to be irredeemable and unsympathetic, make sure their presence is exciting or eye catching
The worst thing a villain who’s evil for the sake of being evil can be is boring
Look at Jafar from the live action Aladdin

A bombastic, hammy Word Bearer Dark apostle it is then! 😅
I always like to give this a rewatch when I'm in the mood for villainy fwiw https://youtu.be/GKrvTnh-GC0?si=XvE1nmrb5dUsMHjr
Red Death teaches Blind Rage a lesson in real villainy.
The Venture Bros. belong to their respective owners
Wait you reminded
Me
Another villain example from a
Really weird movie
Thrax from Osmosis Jones
The live action parts always weirded me out
think it was interesting 
Honestly for villains and examples I should probably recommend Puss in Boots: The Last Wish
it has 3 different villain archetypes all done exceptionally well
Death, Goldilocks, Big Jack Horner
Huh
i didnt see Goldi as being as villain
maybe I just lack perception with these things 
She’s an antagonist, she’s meant to be the sympathetic, redeemable villain

But yeah she’s more an antagonist than a villain
Big Jack Horner though?
I fucking love him
Oh yeah no, he wasnt even hiding it lmao
She’s the modern era sympathetic antag, ye
Big Jack Horner is comedic Large Ham evil
Death is more Cold Ham force of nature
was so fkin funny
Actually a Cold Ham Word Bearer Dark Apostle could work better for my purposes
The only thing scarier than a screaming fanatic is a cold, calculated one

Trying to think of examples to help you get a foundation to work with… fucking uhhhh….
i should try writing again
Joseph Seed from Far Cry V?
Wait not him
Wait is it him?
The main antagonist of FCV?
A Cold Ham Word Bearer fanatic that somehow believes the destruction of Monarchia was a justified punishment from Chaos for wrongful worship of the Emperor, and so the that very fact happening actually reinforces his faith in Chaos.
Yes, that’s him.
Ive only played thru 1 to 3 ngl 
Watched some cutscenes lol.
Someone who has radiates a confident calmness whilst invigorating his troops religiously
Prob make him soft spoken, he’s fully confident in the powers of the chaos gods and doesn’t need to make a big show of it
Pretty much, ye
In that case I think I have an example to use, though it’s quite odd in this situation lmao
Moses from Prince of Egypt

Lol 🤣
Hey, any reference works!
Guy is actually so nuts that he thinks losing the Siege of Terra is also the will of Chaos
(Ironically hitting a bit close to the mark no less.)
(Which is why Chaos strings him along for shits and giggles)
Do you want him to be competent in combat or just a master manipulator and cult leader?
Having both would be a bit villain sue, so probably manipulator/cult a bit more.
If only because I also want (in my fic) to have minimal Astartes presence (basically Marines are meant to be rare and “oh shit is getting real”, rather than tossed around like spare change as BL novels sometimes do :p)
(On both loyalist/traitor side no less)
Probably have it be a case of he’s always present but never there
You often just hear him speak, how you’d go about that would prob be up to you
True
Like he’s able to carry his voice through the ranks via chaos magic or something
Pretty much
He can do combat, but he just doesn’t for plot reasons (which I actually do have in mind)
Well, he doesn’t do it until the climax at any rate lol
Le Boss fight classic
Yep!
whats the villain's motivation? that should be the primary factor
idk why my discord was scrolled so far back
Being part of a Chaos plot that, being Word Bearers, is more towards spreading Chaos influence…
why though? what do they have to gain
Word Bearer, so the odd feeling of a spiritual job well done…?
it should be a bit more than that i think. the reader should be able to at least understand why the character is being evil
you can easily fall into the trap of having a saturday morning cartoon villain character if you dont give them any meaningful motivations
you dont have to give them a backstory though. if you want the villain to remain unsympathetic then it's better to not have any origin imo
Genuine faith
Like that’s what drives a lot of Word Bearers, advancing chaos.
That they gain blessings from it is helpful, but even in 30k they were like this
found a whole operation of unmanned youtube channels making completely unchecked long form slop videos where the ai voice simulacra regularly trips up & does this for a full ten minutes every time.
all the very legit comments are like "NO! THATS NOT TRUE! YOU LIE HE DID NOT" & never acknowledge it.
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Aneurism, metamorphosis, possession, or first contact
Call it
Metamorphosis
He's becoming a blob
Patron of the radsmiths glowing with a cleansing light, I sure wonder what that could be
Also Im finally past the Canto 8 dungeon, I'll let you know when I get to that fight and how that fares
Your head is not empty
You have thoughts
My Form Empties.....
I love him
He's a genuinely interesting character
Also feels like a proper force of nature
Oh you don't even know
I think hes like the second scariest person you've met after fucking Don Quixote
its his eyebrows and eyes lol
And the face shading
He looks as though he's constantly suspecting people of doing shit
🤨
What that chinese royal house life does to a mf
Honestly real
Jia qiu really is the chillest guy who could also turn you straight into soup
Ive found it really ironic that in spite of Hong Lu saying that he'll accept whatever happens in this Canto, he seems also the most resistant to actually changing, at least when we see him confront Jia Qiu at the end of the dungeon
Probably would be a great friend
It says it on the front cover
Erm, thats Yi Sang.....
Fuck
🤓
Its been a minute ok
Its chill

