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i can't even blame you, i had an incessant smyker this week that almost enacted my gamer rage
unfortunately last night i managed to find a worse archetype of player even all the way up in event damnation
found it
Ogryn with slab shield who just special locks the second he hears a hoard audio queue and doesn't lift it until there's less than 5 ragers left
and if he dies, he dies.
I call them the "babies"
LMAOO
Changed my warbands name to Wartorn after realizing how cool it sounds
Smite hate in chat again. Get over it lol
he was just buying time for himself so that he could pull out his ranged weapon for the real priority at hand behind him !!
I have another funny smite clip
look
clip was such good quality i noticed the idol lmao
Nuh uh you can’t make me
Ainz: "I am joining the war on Plague Ogryns
on the side of the Plague Ogryns"
hey ainz quick question have you encountered the ogryn beastmaster boss or is he wasteland exclusive
only the new gamemode
I've yet to actually see him
Expedition exclusive
I've never played the new gamemode
I’ve fought him a few times
Yeah but his armored hounds do appear in normal one at least
Not too tough tbh
yes but seems to be a bug

I wasn’t aware that it was a bug either
I didn't even notice them because of the chaos until I hit something hard and turns out it was just a dog with armor
Looked intentional to me
they did tweak alittle bit of the spawning stuff, so I dont think it was intended. But who knows, its fatshark
they cook good sometimes they just add a little bit too much salt
Like I tried to swing on a dog and suddenly my weapon bounced and I was just like wait a minute
Big guy ain’t so tough
Turns out it's an armored hound
i coulda sworn i read they were only supposed to be in expeditions same as the packmaster but when i saw them in normal game i just thought nothing of it and moved on lmaooo
same
i wish packmasters would spawn in normal games tbh
they'd probably actually be hard in a normal match lmao
I was wondering why the fuck is this dog was way more armored than usual until I got a good look
big guy ain't so tough after feeding him 5 grenades to the throat is insane
I think they've said they will at some point
two of those cool new experimental grenades to the gut should do a packmaster in to about damnation as well :3
in case you get caught by one by yourself
He would’ve tanked those kraks if he was tough 
the type of people you see in auric
Still havent even gotten the chance to find a lobby for this game mode
Everyone plays on malice because tech remnants don’t scale with difficulty
Darktide players are so scared of playing the game for fun
Not being Timmy tough knuckles over here but anything under auric just isnt that fun for me
I call it the helldiver effect
been a trend for a while now even before helldivers
Are there any canonical use of chaos assassins? Like the ones from the Oficio Assassinorum
Playing on a lower difficulty is being scared of playing for fun?
What in the Yautja reject
Was the leg pose neccesary?
Chaos for the most part uses special deamons for assassination from what we know
Forgot their name though
Yes.
After reading her lore I understand now that it was
Ah
She isn't simply placing her leg up on the wall, she's squeezing herself through the pipe because she can squish herself through like she's made of putty
Yeah shes leaving the pipe
Oh shit I hadn't even seen the pipe 
And you all call me the freakazoid
So pretty much has no chaos assassins, just the use of daemons?
There aren't any Chaos Assassin Order at least that we know of
Do they not have any other equivalent? Like people modified to the point of being compared to assassins
The dude I posted just before
Apparently heresy era shit
But I can guess they can still be summoned
“Too hasty by far!” 🗣️ 🔥
He's kinda ugky
Idk I like him
He would fit visually with my other fuckers
The rest is fine just not a fan of his face
Thses are sometime used as assassins https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astral_Spectre
Reminds me of the bloodslaughterer headpiece, but then probably the same sculptor
They seem more like accidental summons who just feast on whatever
It's the wrong wiki link tho
Wym
Why
An assassin who makes your head pop would be ideal
No walls or bodyguard to stop you
Unless of course said person has psychic defenses
or a blank near them
They would make better assassins than regular snipers
People could have blanks and other psychic shit, plus surely there would ways to detect high warp energy spikes so they would know there was a psyker involved and even some way to track it
dont you dare shittalk the vindicare
Same thing with a regular sniper tbh
Bulletproof stuff, bodyguards and scanners
do you know how powerful a vindicare's gun is
on vraks the vindicare shot through a marble pillar to hit his target
Hush, death stare of doom is funnier than strong bullet
Lowkey more difficult to trace since their tech is unique and made to not be traceable, plus theyre gonna be already gone by the time they reach the vindicares position
Vindicares are also usually not alone and someone to assist getting the target to the planned position
Snipers are also more reliable than the psyker who can go mad, possessed and even just attract weird shit to them at the slight use of their powers
vindicare usually work alone like the other assassins
Parry this, peabrain [Psychic]
They can be directed at targets by Sorcerers
Imagine he tries to kill the target and a horror of tzeentch just pops up? Terrible
I see
it depends on the target
there's a reason the assassinorum has both psyker and sniper assassins
different missions require different units
Also
he's a blank you can't
Real
you can tell he's a blank because nobody likes being around him
The assassinorum aint largely known trough out the Imperium, while psykers are largely known and already distrusted by regular 40k humans
Imma hire a squad of deathmarks then
So psykers are big ass fuck warning sings
apparently all you need is a shotgun
Does the assassin necessarly have to be working with assassinorum
Isn't there freelance assassins
assassinorum is for taking out a planetary governor and shit like that
sector wide effects
High priority/risk targets
you can just hire some gangers to kill the hive noble you hate
They are also sent out against chaos warbands
To kill leaders
They were hugely deployed against horus during the heresy but none succeeded or came back alive
Just wanted to know if chaos had a equivalent to imperial assassins
Chaos warbands are likely to infight and kill their own leader lmao
Hes been mentioned twice already
Horus Heresy exclusive model 
Otherwise I wouldn't be able to direct you tbh
Yeah but the good warbands/good leaders know how to sniff out traitors among their numbers
Like Huron who even has a pet apparition which likely is the source of his knowledge to whom kill before they try anything against him
Are there chaos machine spirits
Yes
Sick how do they affect weapons
Not every warband is like that
machine spirits dont really have an affiliation. they're just things that exist in machines
Makes sense ig
Man not having headphones blow. I can't filter my thoughts without them
Idk but its said they fuck with the machine until its fucked and agitated
i could drill into your skull and disconnect your audio processing if you want
Might be nice
I did mention the good warbands and leaders, therefore the successful ones
Average warband changes leader every cycle from how fast they get themselves killed
Actual good ones barely ever change due to actual competent leaders
Rip Krannon, never forgor
Great model
Who
I've seen one IRL and the dude absolutely butchered it kitbashing
Leader of Crimson Slaughter
6th edition banger
He still has my favorite chaos helmet tbh
They really set his warband to be the biggest shit ever and have been pretty forgotten
Memorable leaders have great horns
I mean they died afterwards
Bro was decapitated
And his john helbrute bro was killed by some random librarian
Huron doesnt, nor does Abby or Perty

Perty is not a chaos lord
And huron is a special case
Abby has a ponytail it's all he needs, plus I recall his terminator helmet has tusks
Technically he used to be 
Because shes perfect without horns
Plus all lords i can think off rn dont have horns
Horns or tusks
she can be the first one with horns
Tzeench guys do both
Can probably give her terminator armor tusks but it would likely look goofy on tartaros pattern
Typhus, Krannon, Kharn, Ahriman, etc
No horns
Your fault for picking old ass tech
plssss babe
put horns on her 😔
plssss
plsss
Yo chat, question
Are all rogue traders referred to as Lord captain? Or is that specific to the one in the game
Khârns horns suck, bunny ass ears
Ahriman is a nerd
Krannon is stylized
Typhus is Nurgle so he works with horns
They have horns
Tartaros is considered the best terminator pattern 
And they are dope memorable fuckers
Rogue Traders can have many titles, often dependent on the Rogue Traders's dynastie or their humours
just put horns on her
Khârn is known as as a Betrayer even among his own, Typhus is two people in one, Krannon is reported dead and Ahriman is a fraud
Idk man
Noo!
ELIPHAS HAS HORNS AND HE IS SEXY AF
Is there any common title for them?
Typhus more or less has one
and who are they?
Like honorifics?
Kharn is the champion of Khorne, Ahriman is of Tzeentch and Typhus of Nurgle
Krannon was the chaos lord of a big warband during 6th edition but is reported dead
Sigmas
i dont know none of this names, just Kharn... And I only know his name.
How much of Typhus is Calas Typhon is actually something to think about
hmmm, now I know...
"my warband is so strong they never lose, the leader has the best stuff in the world and has never been heard of !"
can u teach me more about it? U never do that 
Probably 50/50

iirc there’s another Nurgle Daemon Prince called “Eater of Lives”
So that might be Grulgor
Yes thats like every faction ever created in 40k
No
Thats how theyre described everywhere
They all have flaws
Based on some of his assholery I feel it might be all of him, then again Ignatius did literally merge
@celest dome
Bro pick up a novel or codex it always glazes the faction at hand thats how it works 😭
In order; Kharn, Typhus, Lucius, Ahriman
Pick a tau book
"Technology which can surpass that of even the necrons!"
Pick a custodes book
"Technology which can never be surpassed!"
Pick up a necrons book... you get the memo
They're leaders of their own faction, below their primarch (except krannon who was leader of his warband and inventor of helbrute)
Out of the chaos god aligned chaos marines, I think the thousand sons have my favorite design
They feel the most like their own thing
I get it now
There were helbrutes before Sevarion iirc
Lynx never told me that 
The worst design of all the legions 
Guys, propaganda depicts germans as invincible cool winners, surely they must be !
I fucking did
just about kharn
They looked better in red imo
Crimson Sons ftw
EXACTLY, YEARS
u didnt told about them for me rn
when I really trying to understand more about 40k
Yeah thats how it works, exactly you proved my point
A chaos lord without horns is like a lion without his mane
At least their design is unique from JUST being a space marine of their chaos faction
They're literally just "basic space marine but Khorne/Nurgle/Slaanesh"
Ahriman is the only one of the four to get a book series
Lucius and Khârn get one each
I want to learn moreee, but I need you to it, if you dont help me, how I'll talk about 40k with you?
Typhon eats shit as usual
Bro has never picked up a codex and the art for each different legion and warband
Plus its designed to be like that
So you know
Thousand Sons got massive swag
PEOPLE CAN KITBASH
anyone that says otherwise are MORONS
Yeah
Tsons are the most cool looking Monogod though
Nuh uh
It’s just that the turquoise is cringe
It's not like the other chaos marines look BAD
They look so cool but no one ever seems to buy them at my store lol
Deity legions all look horrible
i swear people say this then another guy chimes in and goes "people always buy them at my store"

Show me
Ooof, trashiest take of the entire hour
Tsons are kinda funny looking tho
we get it you like Undivided bland marines
Peter turbo took all the drip and now all his kids are drowning
This is so much better than Turquoise
I dont even like marines lol
Theres a difference of liking them and liking chaos undivided while hating mono deitylegions
Iron warriors fans putting hazard stripes on everything and calling it drip
"I dont like marines"
has a custom warband with a singular marine
LMAO
The only drippy Undiv are NL, as much as I like WB they look generic which is kind of the point
Rules DEI
IW
Red Corsairs got drip too
So is the main way to refer to a rogue trader captain / Lord captain?
W
Hazard stripes make up anything else
I don’t have to paint you anymore
Playing on a lower difficulty for the purpose of winning to get resources as opposed to taking extra challenge and getting the same reward would be incentivizing gameplay for progression/reward instead of fun, yes
Leadbelcher> Iron Warrior
Safety hazard smdh
Lightning better
True
Nuh uh
I understand they can be called other things but is that the main one?
Doesn't change the fact I dont like marines tho
Its the "default" way, otherwise they can have their own titles too
If I could I'd ditch the guy I ressurected
so yes
Okay cool
Abelard, cut off @fervent geode and @solid horizon balls off
🫡
Marazhai sacrifice your balls for me
I assumed that but when I asked I was told rogue traders can have different titles
Which I knew I just needed to know the main one
yeah the "lord captain" is the default
Hush, hornless human in a powersuit
I know he would do it smiling
Win win situation
No horns no respect
You dont even got horns
GLAITO, BITE HIS NUTS!
So I'm writing for a renegade marine chapter turning to nurgle, but want to set them apart from the death guard, what do y'all think would be interesting for them?
Uhhh
Wrong
Better question, what aspects of nurgles domain do the death guard not really reflect?
Is that abby with a photoshopped helmet on top of his face
They literally reflect every part of it along with its warbands
you kinda need to get creative or make something up
Yes
Id say just watch this video where the guy tackles this issue
With a new Death Guard codex ready to drop for 10th Edition, this seems like a good time to explore some Nurgle warbands that aren't part of the Death Guard legion in order to see some more examples of all the cool and unique space marines that are part of Grandpa Nurgle's big, happy, stinky, family
And if this video makes you want to pick up s...
this guy covers your exact issue
That is somehow even cringier than me actually designing a unique looking leader
Wimp guard
It's called kitbash you wrinkly nutsack
Is that a new Bladeguard Vet?
Just have them use actual chemical weapons instead of just nurgle poop
A Lieutenant?
Think so?
entire abaddon kit with helmet instead of normal face
DG also do that
theres a warband that already does that
Why should I keep the face
I
Aint 40k just pure ctrl c+ ctrl v anyways?
Or whatever else to corrupt it
Depends as usual
I just want Abby in my list without it being Abby because I hate games involving lore heavy characters
theres warbands with very creative gimmicks
Gardener Warband, wearing flowers (that smell of rot), using Power gardening equipments...
Before DG got poopified chemical weapons was one of their top agendas
You seem like a fairly negative person
So its just Abby using a helmet

A favorite of mine
Love me some flies
I am usually messing around and not actually being serious
No I don’t I hate them
Make them red and call them sons of beelzebub
Peak
Sorry, I'm autistic, I'm bad with social cues
especially over text
Chaos lord in terminator armor
These guys look cool, what's their deal?
Same
Nurgle aligned traitors, super fucked up chemical weapons, want to end all life in the universe in worship to nurgle iirc
The Purge
"Indescriminate chaos lord"
looks inside
abaddon with helmet
looks inside again
Look man you do you
Abaddon is a semi unconvertable model tbh
My real model which is still in the works is abaddon on a large pile of skulls
Every single time I see him converted it still looks like abaddon
I saw an IW ABBA once
Abaddon smh
Gimme gimme a daemon engine for tonight
Aba da Don 
Abaddon all hope
Abadon't
I need a "40k lore enjoyers" version slandering people who play tabletop going "you know what I do when I don't like the rule changes? Nothing, because I'm not a chud who plays the tabletop"
You build models to play tabletop
I build models to display them because I’m proud of my talents as a crafter 
and also to play tabletop
I've heard enough. Abelard, twist his balls
And I like to paint me lads
Counterspell
You can't simply counter spell Abelard
He can one shot the chaos gods by the end of act 2
Damn Orks stole the wheels, can't have shit on Armageddon
Da ‘umies gave us roll things for da Snazzwagon
Why are you in armageddon of all places
Go where the guard tell you to
Ew why would I follow the guard
Because you're in the Guard
The strange pride a Cyberpunk 2077 feels for their 60 dollar game being "fixed" to a releasable state after like 2 years should be studied to understand what Aristotle meant by Natural Slaves
Bad news for my wallet: I had another comm idea
You have proven to be a Natural Slave yourself by this
I consider myself a patron of culture and the arts
I love giving the creative types financial benefits for their talent and skills
its a fun game
get over it
LMAO
mentions people are natural slaves for finally being free of being slandered as glitchiest games ever
instantly talks about wasting money with commissions
Smh smh
Always refer back to this post ^
buddy needs to change his name to Adolfmunda i think
"Reich Pusher"
Should I expect any big things at Warhammer Skulls?
Skulls

Uhh
- 90% Shitty games or shitty mobile games
Any showcases for Mechanicus 2 or TW40k?
Then I’m set
I wanna see more faction leaders
Unlikely but I hope we get some Dark Heresy
Think we’ll see a class trailer for Darktide?
yes
again
2-3 games that matter

just be ready to sit through lots of slop and mute the stream
Slavery
The Omnissiah has answered the fans' whinging prayers
What are some out there things that could catch us by surprise? Any old remasters?
No idea personally
Especially since they recently did Warhammer classics
Total War Warhammer 1 remaster, they're starting over again
Rereleasing every DLC as well
Give me a Trazyn museum simulator
Building up my museum and going on “expeditions” to collect “artifacts”
Aka stealing anyone I find
You wouldnt even let me be Saddam Hussein even after that personality quiz said I was
Closest thing we getting to that is the Trazyn related DLC coming for Rogue Trader
Yeah. Die.
hopefully we get a date for that too
I need to start playing RT and Dark Heresy
And Mechanicus 1

Gotta wait for proper release for Dark Heresy, still in Alpha AFAIK
But yea, get started on RT, is a chunky game, and a good one at that
get the DLCs too
Go ahead, get in
worth it
into the pits where he belongs honestly
Make this individual a Commissar NOW 🗣️
I'd have a Plasma and it would blow up and kill me actually
And leave my smoking boots
And nothing else
The .500 S&W is not that bad too shoot. However, the high bore axis is the thing that make it jump out of your hand.
I guess I know what’s happening on Friday now
Full reveal of the Armageddon box
Alright that was funny
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Seems I have changed in recent months
Looks like we are on track with a June release then
I need the roadmap tbh
I wanna know who’s getting their codexes first
Well...
I mean, Every faction is getting 4 new detachments
on release as digital PDF
exact codex...yea, that remains unknown#
I’m not getting the Necrons codex until I know for sure it’s not one of the first ones
Space marine and Orks(obviously)
Custodes and Tau
Meh
the other 3 are...kind of bog standard expected
Usually Necrons are near the front no?
Where were they in 9 and 10e
i love orks but i'm gonna say it they are the space marines of Xenos
Although Necron had a tendency to be middle or late middle
Launch faction for 9e.
One of the last codexes in 8e
Early codex 10e
7e was also one of the last codexes
whoops
Quick someone give me my kicking boot
I’m gonna score a field goal
As for who tends to be in the first year of an edition
Usually Orks, Chaos space marines, Tyranids and Marines show up to the party early
Eldar show up middle to late usually
Same with Tau
But there’s no actual pattern beyond confirmation bias
Beyond “marines and other launch faction first”
So it’s just a complete grab bag randomness on whether Necron’s will be early or not
Well yeah
No shit 💀
The only faction you can ever be sure on is marines
Which is they’ll always get a codex first for better or for worse
i say better because it gets the whining out of the way
I rolled the dice and it said Necrons go last this edition
Welp guess I’m gonna need to see the roadmap if I ever want to figure out which codex to get
I’ll roll the bones and see what they tell me too
Ok so according to this I’m gonna die via impact with a trout
The codex roadmap isn’t even a guarantee lol
I'll commune the spirits
People act like there’s proper certainties smh
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We’re fucking blind
Groping around in the darkness unsure of what comes next 99% of the time
10e was the first edition ever that even said ahead of time
The spirits were quite rude and I don't want to commune with them anymore
What codexes were coming out
They said hurtful things
If I don’t hear any news about a Necron codex by my birthday I’ll just get the 10e one in my birthday haul
More oracle bones
buying codexes is always a bad idea anyways
you get 1 page of lore spread out over 40 pages
and all the rules are out of date in a month
and freely available on new recruit
Sounds like someone didn't give enough offerings
Not using waha
Well you wouldnt be in the best of spirits if you were awoken by some dork to be asked if we're getting mention in a codex about Eldar crystal poop
Smh
Dead nerds should be glad I'm wasting time contacting them
I have begun using it but I’d rather the codex physically and have the app ready to use
but tbh I’ve just been skimming that site
just use the new recruit app on your phone it's on the app store
it's miles better than the w40k app
Has list building, all rules, and hyperlinks on every single keyword and rule and datasheet
I grab it for the lore but you know I grab it creatively let's just say
Imagine paying for codexes
physical books are nice
Imagine having money
I like physical books
Got 2 flies today in the lab
Those are bees
Maggie is smart, ok. She knows her bug.
What about some of the butterfly
They are flies
Fake news
He head and legs
But it's a bee
You're the fake news
This bee
there's also hornets don't forget
Whoa your hand looks exactly like hers
it's a mix it's yellow orange
Do Americans get the big fat bumblebees?
We do
Love those goofy guys
None of that darting and zipping around the place, they just float in like a drunk uncle
I saw them a ton on the east coast but I feel like I havent seen them in ages. But thats part of the loss of insect biomass, oh well!
Bees make honey
Americans don't know what a bee is
Top speed of 1cm a minute
don't they literally have a species called American bumblebee
But they're like endangered last time I checked
That's not a big fat bumblebee
I have been bitten and stung by a lot of flying yellow shit
Well then I suppose they don't count
They're just big floating chudfriends
Bumblebees hit hard but it's arguably better than getting stung by asian hornets
Too lazy to bite or sting
Do not. Call him a chud.
I have been bitten in the palm by a floating fat yellow fucker when I was a kid
appropriately sized chud, any smaller and I don't respect them
You must have threatened the lardass
A humbly bumbly
Bumbfatbees are fat, big and clumsy, no wonder why necromunda fucker has sympathy for them
To be fair I was pretending I was capturing a pokémon
I think they do they just never sting
yeah suuure
They bite
They do and unlike honeybees their stinger isn't barbed so they don't die if they sting you
They do, and they’re unbarbed so they can sting multiple times without dying
It's odd, they're better equipped to sting you, but less likely to
Yes but apparently they are docile
Just chill dudes
And rarely do so
I have once killed a hornet that was disturbing my nap in my room using a gas BB revolver
The true comissar experience
Ive been stung by a bee who landed on my hair and couldnt get out
I just felt something landing on my hair and i didnt know what it was
Passed my hand, bam
Instantly stung
Prank'd.
Same once
They deserve it.
Except it was hornets
I was replying to lynxiee
I have never run faster in my life
Nor had my face so swollen
I am skilled enough not to have been stung by a bee
The stinger got stuck on my finger too, i removed it with my teeth
Yall fucked up mfers
Psycho watchlist shit
I did know some people who were fucking terrified of bees growing up
GIrl in my 2nd grade class sat on a bee and ended up stung once
Managing to sit on a bee is crazy
I remember a girl in school which almost wore a boot that had a scorpion inside
Genuinely terrifying big one too
Black ass scorpion the size of my hand
I used to be terrified of wasps visiting my glasses and plate during summer meals
Because of my experience with hornets
Bees, and even most hornets normally avoid confrontation.
Khorne hornets
Khornets
Wasps are just assholes.
I never get stung by bees nor hornets, but a few times by wasps.
Aren't there Warp hornets
I only have mosquito on my bite list
Dogs, famously not insects
My dog used to play tug of war with my hand when she was a puppy
But she was always kinda gentle
Various spiders, 1 Wasp, a couple of bees, Horse fly (most painful), a small scorpion, a Tick
Just enough grip to leave a mark
Misread as "couple of bears" and actually gasped
Hornets, bumblebee, fleas, lice (everyone at some point of childhood had those)
Character named Grammaticus.
Has a psychic ability that lets him understand every language.
Great work Kojima.
I love spiders. They're my autistic special interest.
When I was a wee boy in Greenland and when I got cold I'd snuggle up with the sled dogs because they were warm
My mom thought they'd eat me for some reason
I used to live in central Appalachia, and I used to cuddle with my Great Pyrenees when it was cold out.
That was when I was real small.
Dawgs truly are the best way to ward off cold.
Last time I got nipped by a hound was when I woke my dog up from a nightmare by startling her
And she snapped at my fingers
And then felt bad lole
Dog hater 🫵
My lizard don't bite me none. Neither do my cats.
Slander I will not stand. I can accept all other abuse but this
He won't stand slandering his stance on dogs or his stance on Necromunda.
Tapir?
I’ve never seen a tapir before
Yep, Tapir.
that's a baby tapir
Go to Indonesia
It’s a pig elephant!!!
not a respectable animal
Search up the jerboa and get back to me on that.
OH TJAYS WHY THUS FUCKER IS BASED OFF OF???
i know the jerboa
ohhhh
It was a small rodent, of course it didn't.
What possible evolutionary and ecological advantage does this serve?
Being an adorable crimblo
Realizing that we are the arbitrating force of all life on the planet at this point and making sure we like them
Probably something to do with swimming if I had to guess
Like an elephants trunk but chuddier
Depend
I usually have about 60-80€ in cash for some shops that don't carry my cards or food card
Xenos
they are entirely their own species at this point in M41
Abhuman is just legalese anyway
"abhuman" as a term is entirely invented by the Imperium as a cope term for people they wanna designate as "acceptable mutants"
They’re xenos for all intents and purposes
lol
Yeah the only abhuman Kin are technically THE very first Votann
who are at this point long dead
Votann can be considered as started off as humans, but then just...evolved so distinctly at this point
basically kind of comparing Homo Neanderthals with Homo Sapiens, a VERY rough analogy
Not considered they were human but that tie is long gone yeah, no votann lore ever says they consider themselves tied to humanity in any way anymore
Could the same not be said for Ogryn
Not really no
Ogryns are humans
they are just very mutated
(also arent a clone species genetically edited to be anything a Core desires)
Wait so what about the Votann separates them of they're also just humans who evolved differnrtly
Is it the cloning?
Weren't the Kin in the same position though ?
Probably to be honest, with cloning they can edit their DNA however, and they edited their DNA to survive mining and such so...
that and the gene editing and ages of becoming their own distinct group
Basically everything and also the cloning. Every League's votann core produces their own brand of Kin with genetic differences and upgrades among other things that fit them to their role
Not really no
the OG kin are long dead
theres no species ties that link them to humanity
Ogryn are still ‘naturally occurring’ amongst humanity
There is no Votann genetic link in the 40k era to link them to humanity, in essence
^
and they themselves don't necessarily have history of their origins (or acknowledge it much)
Its why they are "xenos", they dont consider themselves a part of humanity because they literally arent
Wait
When you say "naturally occuring", you do mean between Ogryn couplings
Not Ogryn + base human
yes there are female Ogryns
^
in lore
Yes I knwo
Oh so they're just so genetically altered they can't be considered just mutants
And ogryns are not genetically deviant enough to not be considered human, they are just mutated. Kin are.
Kinda like how a genestealer takes somethings DNA and twists it? Just less extreme?
Yes they are also just entirely their own species after like 30 Millennia of gene-editing and cloning
Not that Imperium of Mankind were known for science, but assuming they did a deep study of a Votann DNA and a human DNA in the 40k era, there would be sufficient divergence for IoM to conclude there is no link despite surface appearances, in essence.
Not really no, genestealers literally twist any organic being to a subserviant species that is just brainwashed
This yeah
it gets more complex when you remember all League's cores genetically diversify their clone skeins
Kin are designer babies
AND you especially the player
because the homebrewer lore literally allows you to give them genetic advantages and boosts
Also they do collect ground up sapient meat for something
But I'm picking at the decisions.
Abhuman as a thing make no sense and already mix different cases.
You have Ogryn and Ratling, who are unable to procreate with anything outside of their bubbles (Ogryn being "multiple bubbles if we want to look at everything)
And you have Psykers, who are chance mutants.
Imo Kins could pass for Abhuman if they travelled inside the Imperium.
Defacto making them "abhuman"
Abhuman is just "mutant"
its a cope-term
The lore kind of addresses this weirdly, by saying that IoM policy is changing for the worse, in essence
Yeah you stop being a abhuman when you are too divergent aka dont fit their genetic image of purity
The automatons stolen super earth human mcflurryinator separates out the chunks
I mean psykers are less of abhumans and more of a universal mutation
Of course, even if one does accept that on a genetic level any link exists, the racial policy can also just be an excuse for IoM to say they still don't like the Leagues of Votann as an independent power faction
At least tomy knowledge
Legally they're Abhuman
nothing wasted, truly the pinnacle
Same for Blanks
Mutation = abhuman
Considering Votann are not part of IoM structure at all
again its just a legal term
Also yeah they do whatever the fuck they want basically, they dont give a shit about humans
Any straying from the base stock make you an Abhuman, or worse, a mutant
heh
Votann basically go against everything the Imperium's fascist ideals stands for
they genuinely hate the imperium so much they treat the word squat as a slur
ye
it basically is tbh
But yea, even if one cannot agree with the whole DNA/racial thing, remember Leagues of V (being lazy) are an independent faction not part of Imperium of Mankind.~
So even if you were magmanimous enough to skip the whole racial thing, Leagues of V are not IoM, and therefore, war must be had.
Because.
There is only war.
As the text above says "varies between abhuman and true xenos"
because the Imperium is stupid
they only get the abhuman title at all because they look like stocky humans
Human can be turned into abhuman if they are mutated but stay loyal, because that's how the Imperium think...
Abhuman is just a mutant
oh my poor sweet Adamantium Seneshal, you know full well that is a pointless request
which is the better pronounciation
Wartorn
War torn
or War-torn

An abhuman is just a mutant stable enough to reproduce
^
a stable offshoot of humanity
Gland warriors were once human, but now considered "abhuman".
I mean weirdly enough, in the Dark Heresy RPG books, the Ordo Hereticus/Sisters of Battle kind of does the right things for the wrong reasonat some points in universe - they clean up polluted hive areas to make sure no non-Warp mutants arise.
dilara why did you stare react me
(not becasue they care about the environment)
i am asking a genuine question here
Which again, that doesn't work with both Psyker and Blanks
yep
Navigators are barely stable.
yes
Because of the gland warrior thing, technically the SM are also abhuman.
yea the whole system being kind of un-workable is probably part of the satire
They're quite stable, it's more so the continous use of their power that make them turn to their thing
a Navigator plus navigator create a navigator
abhuman is mutant
So I would put them stable enough they do turn into giant powerful creatures though
space marines are regularly referred to as mutants
There is an entire Ordo Astartes in lore, apparently, that wants to do away with Marines.
Not do away
just watch them
No, that would be augment, Gland Warrior are vat born as that
and i cant really blame them because space marines have singlehandedly torn the galaxy in half
lol
Ok faire enough
Gene stealers the second they step in the US
Gland warrior are not vat born.
but you bet the "Marines are Mutants" lot are in that group lol
Its mostly said by people that are well-educated because its pretty correct
a "mutant" is literally any human that is divergent from your base human genome
we literally have them today IRL lol
Yeah necromunda pusher is a mutant, nobody can like something so mid that much
Is it the Afriel Strain that are vat born ?
Afriel strain yes.
Gland men are regular dude stuffed with extra organs.
Kind of weaker version of thunder warrior.
Sgt Stone, legend
They’re the clones aren’t they? Cursed AF?
Gland warriors fall in artificial abhumans another example would be these guys
artificially created mutants that are stable enough to be replicated
but Goliath are becoming more stable for natural production
Afriel Strains are not clone, they are engineered vat grow human.
Each of them are different each other.
They're meant to be clones of heroes of the Imperium
True clone of them iirc, which is the reason they're so problematic and often die earlier than planned or someshite like that
Using the genetic marials, not direct cloning.
Like how the Krieg repopulate its troops.
Nah, from the lore, they just have very bad luck...
They’re up for being considering full abhumans eventually
Who’re the Macharius clones?
Yeah that's why i said Goliath are becoming more stable for natural production, natborn are becoming more and more common thanks to their progress
Yeah they don't live long
They literally get fully formed adult bodies and get jammed the information they need via data slug
to the brain
Sometimes they come out fine sometimes they die
Such a frikken mental piece of lore
saw it and already got it

you underestimate my power
Regent Debbie, yaay
I did not think you were such a low life form to roam Reddit
and nah, who the fuck even gets art from reddit?
I follow the artists like normal people

I did not think that all the way through apparently
Lynx
friendly fire will not be tolerated......

Had to make her a leg to replace the pegleg
👎
Princeps Praetorii Mivestra Hibran needs both her legs
So I always assumed the boots were mag sealed
Do you think the peg leg was also mag sealed?
Don't have breachers, so she got a Solar Auxilia leg
They’re the ones I assumed were mag sealed tbf
Hell maybe the Breacher leg she's got is a Bionic and the Auxilia one is her real leg
Too late
Pegging BANNED
My mini with the parts needed for RT conversion is arriving (hopefully) within the next 2 days if nothing goes wrong
gonna share here once conversion is done too
Crucible rules, automatic based
this week i learned that crouch walking around a room like you're in a video game is a great leg workout
Moving around like Venom Snake is body annihilating
I was gonna say based
But then I saw astra militarum 🥀
12 movement damn that's op
goes to show how fit the guy is
I thought sorcerous champion 9" movt was op
And the clap of my asscheeks keeps alerting the guards
She'll be joining Guardsmen though, so will only be moving that fast after her squad dies
Lol
Wes Boringson
Also I just had a terrible idea, new chaos bikers, but they're chaos cultists on bikes instead of space marines.
cultists on space marine bikes?
Cultists on regular bikes.
This.
lame
I wish ad mech had skitarii bikers instead of robo dog horses
That's why I said it was a terrible idea.
Squad get wiped out by enemy fire, meanwhile the Princeps Praetorii





